Surviving the Trumpocalypse
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Miss A, that's awful, hope your friend's friend turns out ok. So, so sad. | 2015-12-02T21:17:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/02/open-thread-for-discussion-of-san-bernardino-mass-shooting/comment-page-1/#comment-838041 |
The LA Times is reporting that (according to law enforcement sources) one of the suspects is named Syed Farook. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html I haven't seen the suspect named in any other media accounts. |
2015-12-02T21:02:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/02/open-thread-for-discussion-of-san-bernardino-mass-shooting/comment-page-1/#comment-838032 |
FWIW, I have no idea if this is related to the manosphere (or neo-Nazis or ISIS or the Symbionese Liberation Army), or if it's a workplace-grudge-related shooting with no terrorist motivations at all. I put up this post because the shooting is horrifying and I knew that people would want to talk about it. | 2015-12-02T20:40:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/02/open-thread-for-discussion-of-san-bernardino-mass-shooting/comment-page-1/#comment-838018 |
"Who the fuck would shoot up a centre for people with disabilities?" Apparently the shooters targeted a holiday party being held in a conference room at the center involving people not associated with the center. |
2015-12-02T20:13:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/02/open-thread-for-discussion-of-san-bernardino-mass-shooting/comment-page-1/#comment-837993 |
I've opened a thread for discussion of the San Bernardino shooting. Fucking awful. | 2015-12-02T20:03:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/02/just-fyi-the-church-of-satan-is-totally-into-that-whole-sex-robot-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-837983 |
I've just opened a thread for discussion of the shooting. | 2015-12-02T19:59:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/01/nyt-planned-parenthood-shooter-a-gentle-loner-who-occasionally-unleashed-violent-acts/comment-page-1/#comment-837980 |
But, yeah, the Church of Satan is pretty much terrible. While their central premise (a kind of atheism that's big on expressing one's shadow side) isn't necessarily horrible, they go beyond this into a sort of Nazified Ayn Randianism, supporting such lovely things as eugenics and a barely disguised white supremacism that they seem to be getting much more explicit about. | 2015-12-02T19:29:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/02/just-fyi-the-church-of-satan-is-totally-into-that-whole-sex-robot-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-837968 |
i'm beginning to realize that this topic raises all sorts of complicated issues well beyond what can be said about it in a jokey post. | 2015-12-02T19:18:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/02/just-fyi-the-church-of-satan-is-totally-into-that-whole-sex-robot-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-837959 |
Completely unsurprising news: Dear was listed as female due to clerical error. http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/12/01/3726754/clerical-error-robert-lewis-dear-transgender/ |
2015-12-01T10:07:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/29/ted-cruz-takes-up-the-bizarre-claim-that-the-planned-parenthood-shooter-is-a-transgendered-leftist-activist/comment-page-2/#comment-837039 |
Erlend, she says he used physical force to hold her down, that's what I was trying to convey. | 2015-12-01T07:36:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/30/james-deen-porns-missing-stair/comment-page-1/#comment-836964 |
I would like it if we could move on here. | 2015-11-29T23:47:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/28/right-wingers-claim-colorado-shooter-robert-lewis-dear-is-a-trans-woman/comment-page-4/#comment-836293 |
LG, but what you're talking about is misuse of the term. TERF is still an accurate description of a subset of radical feminists whose transphobia is a central part of their ideology. | 2015-11-29T21:40:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/28/right-wingers-claim-colorado-shooter-robert-lewis-dear-is-a-trans-woman/comment-page-4/#comment-836230 |
Hadn't realized that Cruz was up so much in the polls, removed "unpopular." | 2015-11-29T21:26:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/29/ted-cruz-takes-up-the-bizarre-claim-that-the-planned-parenthood-shooter-is-a-transgendered-leftist-activist/comment-page-1/#comment-836226 |
Lisa, thanks for posting that piece as well. | 2015-11-29T21:20:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/28/right-wingers-claim-colorado-shooter-robert-lewis-dear-is-a-trans-woman/comment-page-4/#comment-836224 |
AnAndrejaPejicBlog, done, and thanks. | 2015-11-29T21:19:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/28/right-wingers-claim-colorado-shooter-robert-lewis-dear-is-a-trans-woman/comment-page-4/#comment-836222 |
AnAndrejaPejicBlog, I'm doing a quick post on the Cruz thing, would you like credit in the post for bringing it to my attention? | 2015-11-29T20:28:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/28/right-wingers-claim-colorado-shooter-robert-lewis-dear-is-a-trans-woman/comment-page-4/#comment-836201 |
And on a different topic entirely:
@abars01
David, while I agree, as much as you or anyone else here, that these people are awful, I have to question how on-mission this is. This doesn’t, as far as I can see, have anything to do with the men’s rightster crowd. I come here to read about the antics of manosphereans. For the antics of generic conservatives and white nationalists, there are other venues, such as Right Wing Watch, Americans Against the Tea Party and Fundies Say the Darndest Things. (Although I recognize, of course, there is a large and steadily shrinking overlap between the three aforementioned camps).I guess I disagree about the mission of this blog. While I don't want to duplicate what, say, Right Wing Watch does, this blog has never been exclusively about MRAs and the manosphere. I'm not going to start quoting every horrible thing that Pat Robertson or Donald Trump says, but I do think it's sometimes worth pointing out when "generic" right-wingers say/do misogynistic things. And I think an armed assault on a Planned Parenthood fits in the "misogyny" category. And as a few other people have said, when something big and disturbing happens in the world, commenters here generally appreciate having a thread (a regular thread or an open thread) devoted to it. |
2015-11-29T19:57:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/28/right-wingers-claim-colorado-shooter-robert-lewis-dear-is-a-trans-woman/comment-page-4/#comment-836195 |
A few thoughts. Much of what I want to say has already been said by others here, but just to clarify where I''m coming from. I don't think debates over the acronym TERF are particularly constructive. It's an accurate description of a certain subset of radical feminists (who are not allowed to post here, BTW). Using it doesn't imply that all radical feminists are transphobic. Sometimes people get called TERFs when they're not TERFS but that doesn't mean that the term itself is a problem any more than the fact that some non-racists get called racist means that we shouldn't use the term racist. I assume most of you probably agree with me on most or all of this. As far as I know, there aren't any TERFs calling Dear a trans woman. So let's focus on the actual people making the claim, not on people who could hypothetically do so. Obviously, if TERFs take up this weird claim it's something that we should definitely talk about. But talking about hypotheticals seems like a big distraction right now. Oh, and if you're wondering, I haven't deleted any comments in this thread. There were some trolls who tried to comment in the thread, but I didn't let their comments through; that's true of pretty much every thread on WHTM. That said, nightmarelyre, one of your comments did get eaten by the spam filter, which sometimes eats random comments, especially in busy threads. (At this point, I'm inclined to leave it unposted in order to facilitate the whole "moving on" thing.") Sorry I wasn't able to get to this sooner; my schedule is very weird these days. Also: if there's some sort of problem brewing in any thread, or if your comments aren't being posted, or if there's anything else I might be able to do something about, please email me. Even when my schedule is weird, it's the fastest way to get my attention. |
2015-11-29T19:31:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/28/right-wingers-claim-colorado-shooter-robert-lewis-dear-is-a-trans-woman/comment-page-4/#comment-836189 |
yutolia, I just did a post on the shooter-is-trans nonsense, which I heard about from your comment. I'll happily give you credit in the post for tipping me off if you'd like. Also, hugging your dog sounds like a good plan for today. |
2015-11-28T18:56:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/27/breaking-active-shooter-holed-up-in-planned-parenthood-clinic-in-colorado-springs/comment-page-2/#comment-835776 |
Officials now say that three people were killed in the shooting, the police officer mentioned earlier and two civilians. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/27/457610892/police-respond-to-calls-of-active-shooter-situation-in-colorado-springs |
2015-11-27T20:14:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/27/breaking-active-shooter-holed-up-in-planned-parenthood-clinic-in-colorado-springs/comment-page-1/#comment-835529 |
I just put up a post on the Planned Parenthood situation. What a fucking mess. | 2015-11-27T16:58:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/25/what-we-know-about-the-4channers-who-may-have-shot-5-black-lives-matter-protesters/comment-page-2/#comment-835476 |
Brain fart on my part now fixed. Thanks! | 2015-11-25T18:04:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/25/what-we-know-about-the-4channers-who-may-have-shot-5-black-lives-matter-protesters/comment-page-1/#comment-834912 |
reymohammed, I would put the probabiity that the shooter(s) and their pals are Trump fans at about 100%. | 2015-11-24T19:42:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/24/when-trolls-carry-guns-were-4channers-responsible-for-shooting-5-black-lives-matters-protesters/comment-page-1/#comment-834540 |
Fabe, the 4channers are already doing that. | 2015-11-24T19:02:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/24/when-trolls-carry-guns-were-4channers-responsible-for-shooting-5-black-lives-matters-protesters/comment-page-1/#comment-834522 |
Trae Dorn, Adams is actually planning to post a longer post tomorrow explaining what he "really meant" or some such. | 2015-11-23T19:51:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/23/feminists-you-should-be-fcking-shot-and-other-insights-from-scott-adams-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-834165 |
idledillettante, thanks for the recommendation. I read his manifesto, or at least big chunks of it. If I'm remembering correctly, it was a big convoluted hateful mess, with major portions simply cut and pasted in from far-right blogs, etc. None of these idiots have any idea what good writing is. |
2015-11-20T16:41:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/20/that-anders-breivik-dude-has-some-good-ideas-dark-enlightenment-redditors-suggest/comment-page-1/#comment-833250 |
Hmm. I was assuming that DarkTriadMan was saying, underneath the trappings of civilization men and women are ruled by primal urges (that happen to line up with his own sexual fantasies), not that he was predicting an apocalypse. I guess it could go either way; there are certainly a lot of these types who love imagining an apocalypse where women come crawling to them for help.
2. This theory is new how???I guess it isn't, really. |
2015-11-20T16:33:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/20/new-theory-feminists-argue-with-misogynists-online-because-they-are-desperate-for-male-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-833249 |
I deleted Linux's racist comment and banned 'em. So that's who's being referred to in the five comments above this one. |
2015-11-20T13:07:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/17/cuck-obsessed-neo-nazis-offer-thoughtful-insights-on-parisattacks-refugees-just-kidding/comment-page-2/#comment-833187 |
Adam, that's true. But the thing is I don't write little fantasies about rounding up 30 dudes to protect my non-existent family. Roosh does. | 2015-11-18T22:59:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/16/roosh-v-if-i-were-french-i-would-totally-round-up-a-posse-and-throw-out-all-the-muslim-refugees/comment-page-2/#comment-832798 |
ninjaed! | 2015-11-18T20:33:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/18/yes-it-really-was-a-gamergater-who-photoshopped-a-critic-into-a-suicide-bomber/comment-page-2/#comment-832774 |
French rat, it's the link from HotPotato. | 2015-11-18T20:32:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/18/yes-it-really-was-a-gamergater-who-photoshopped-a-critic-into-a-suicide-bomber/comment-page-2/#comment-832773 |
raysa, that sounds absolutely harrowing, so glad your husband's ok! | 2015-11-14T21:29:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/14/alternate-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-831505 |
Ohlmann, that must have been nerveshattering, so glad you're ok. caketastydelish, it is a French name, but no. There's a weird story behind the name but I think I'll tell it another time. |
2015-11-14T00:26:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/13/open-thread-for-discussion-of-terror-attacks-in-paris/comment-page-3/#comment-831220 |
Chiomara, I went ahead and added a trigger warning to that comment. So sorry you had to endure all that!. And don't feel bad about sharing it here. My heart goes out to all those in this thread who've been having a terrible year. And the people of Paris. And Beirut, and Baghdad, and Japan, and anywhere else things are horrible right now. Fuck. |
2015-11-13T22:20:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/13/open-thread-for-discussion-of-terror-attacks-in-paris/comment-page-3/#comment-831199 |
Cyberwulf, I understand your anger, obviously, but I deleted your comment; it's not helpful. And thanks everyone for the support. Really wondering, I've been doxed. It's a shitty thing. I didn't use the doxing as an excuse to threaten Paul Elam or Jack Barnes. |
2015-11-13T22:07:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-5/#comment-831192 |
I think the IRC thing from the troll was a joke and not a serious attempt to frame me; trouble is, some of the AVFMers are gullible enough to think he was serious, and other AVFMers are happy to use this phony "evidence" to promote their smears and lies about me. No sensible person would see that and see it as a real "oops" tweet but of course the AVFMers aren't sensible people. Elam is definitely in libel territory with that tweet, but it's hardly the first time he's libeled me. Esmay libels me regularly; he just plain makes shit up out of the blue, and sometimes he seems to believe his made up shit is real. |
2015-11-13T20:53:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-4/#comment-831161 |
Mark, I don't undetrstand what you're concerned about? I responded to her because she lied about me. | 2015-11-13T20:47:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-4/#comment-831154 |
Thanks to skirik for emailing me about this; I had just gotten up from a sleep and hadn't seen the news yet. This is just horrendous. | 2015-11-13T18:01:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/13/open-thread-for-discussion-of-terror-attacks-in-paris/comment-page-1/#comment-831017 |
I know I have some readers in Paris; I hope everyone is ok. | 2015-11-13T17:27:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/13/men-who-didnt-worship-py-didnt-pass-on-their-seed-and-other-lessons-from-mgtow-biology-class/comment-page-2/#comment-830985 |
I've set up an open thread for anyone who wants to talk about the horrific events in Paris. | 2015-11-13T17:26:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/13/men-who-didnt-worship-py-didnt-pass-on-their-seed-and-other-lessons-from-mgtow-biology-class/comment-page-2/#comment-830984 |
bvh, ha! It actually is. Also I'm totally built like that dude. | 2015-11-13T11:04:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-4/#comment-830860 |
Hmm. Not sure that really was the troll who said that originally, the troll may have just claimed to in order to piss off Jack. | 2015-11-13T11:03:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-4/#comment-830858 |
The doxer, who doesn't seem to be making any effort at all to sound like a "real SJW," is so obviously not one of us I'm not sure that even Barnes actually believes that they are. I think Barnes et al are just happy to play along with the troll because it gives them another chance to smear me with made-up garbage. Their gullible fans will believe the smears, and the less gullible will repeat them even though they know it's a bunch of made up crap. These people -- the doxer and the AVFMers -- have the ethics of intestinal parasites. I reported the doxer and have screencapped Barnes' tweets at me. |
2015-11-13T10:46:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-4/#comment-830845 |
Ninjaed, I guess you all have discovered the trolls already. | 2015-11-12T20:34:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-2/#comment-830660 |
I assume "cut Cassie Jaye loose" meant "stop assuming she's any kind of feminist any more or that she'll come to her senses." Oh, and I let through some trolls for everyone's entertainment. If they get annoying or tedious or whatever, let me know and I can send them to ban land. |
2015-11-12T20:30:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-2/#comment-830658 |
The *concept* of a "tar baby" as a problem you can't extricate yourself from, with your struggles just making things worse, obviously isn't racist per se, but the *term* itself first gained widespread currency -- among whites; it was already known by blacks -- after the "Uncle Remus" story of the same name, and those stories were racist as hell. I think that some of that racism has basically always been stuck to the term (as it were), and it's been used in other racist ways, so I avoid using it myself. Here's an interesting take on it from Ta-Nehisi Paul Coates http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1221764,00.html#ixzz1TpzK7E8j |
2015-11-12T18:26:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-2/#comment-830611 |
Note: Hedn, that wasn't aimed at you or anything; I was just using your comment as a jumping-off point. | 2015-11-12T18:11:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-2/#comment-830609 |
Thanks for your support, folks! @hedin said: " I’ve seen documentaries about hate groups that consist pretty much entirely of hanging out with the hate group, and still show them as, well, a hate group." I've seen many of these myself. But, obviously, the ones that succeed in this do so by capturing their subjects warts and all, seeing the sorts of things they say in their off moments rather than just what they say while sitting down for interviews and on their best behavior. Though if you let a hateful person talk long enough in a sit-down interview, they will end up saying things that are more revealing than they think. Sometimes this requires that the documentary maker pose some smart questions and followup questions. But just letting them talk and talk also works. When Vice covered AVFM's little rally in Toronto, they talked to Elam and McCarley and lo and behold both of them ended up saying bizarre and retrograde shit. When Cassie Jaye filmed the rally, she seems to have been more interested in setting up artfully framed shots that made MRAs look like a small band of heroes facing off against the world. Now I'm wondering if she actually stage managed the AVFMers so she could get the shots she wanted. Also, even if you talk to only one side on camera, you have to know the arguments that their critics are making. It's not clear if Jaye talked to any MRA critics -- that is, people who know enough about MRAs to make a detailed critique of them -- beyond Chanty. Jaye told me and has told others that she tried to contact one pretty well-known feminist writer, but that the writer never got back to her. That feminist writer has no record of Jaye ever contacting her. |
2015-11-12T18:09:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/12/red-pill-director-cassie-jaye-is-accusing-me-of-sending-bullying-emails-here-are-the-emails-decide-for-yourself/comment-page-2/#comment-830607 |
Also I guess by Wallen's logic I'm not allowed to write about MRAs ever again, lest one of my "minions" do ... something. The "minions" I don't even know about. Meanwhile, Elam actually HAS minions, or something close to them, as anyone who gets dogpiled by them on Twitter or elsewhere can attest. Wallen is one of them. | 2015-11-12T17:15:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-2/#comment-830583 |
Hannah Wallen also posted something about this post on Reddit, suggesting that I had "tweeted out, without context save for his own yellow journalism, that she's threatening to kill people." https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3ses6e/feminist_blogger_portrays_himself_as_the_victim/cwxbwni Er, wat? The "context" is that Judgy wrote a post about how she'll kill anyone she thinks is "threatening" her, however she defines that. |
2015-11-12T17:10:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-2/#comment-830581 |
I'll see if I can figure out a handy way to mention the comment policy more prominently. | 2015-11-12T02:55:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-1/#comment-830279 |
I should note that my objection to her bowhunting enthusiasm has less to do with the hunting animals part of it (though I'm not really a hunting fan) as it does with the fact that she so often talks about using her bow on human beings, specifically their faces. | 2015-11-12T02:54:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-1/#comment-830278 |
JB is a liar, a harasser, and a bow-huntng enthusiast who hates me and the rest of you and has a bizarre and rather frightening definition of what self-defense consists of. And she probably broke all sorts of comment policy rules when I banned her originally, I can't remember. In any case, I really don't think it makes sense to give her a platform. | 2015-11-12T02:51:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-1/#comment-830275 |
Mike Cernovich, associate producer of The Red Pill. | 2015-11-11T22:40:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-1/#comment-830201 |
Oh, I wasn't able to find any press coverage of the alleged letter writing campaign. This doesn't prove it didn't happen, but it means that our only source of information about it is a woman who's pretty notorious for lying about feminists. | 2015-11-11T22:39:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-1/#comment-830200 |
chaltab, MRAs sometimes suggest that some unknown feminist shot antifeminsit gadfly Erin Pizzey's dog, though when it happened Pizzey suggested that it was some of her redneck neighbors who probably did it. And there's Valerie Solanas, though she seems to have targeted Warhol more out of a personal grudge than for ideological reasons, though with her who knows. I don't see a lot of feminists going around talking about shooting people, that's for sure. |
2015-11-11T22:38:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-1/#comment-830198 |
Dandy Andy, if the letter-writers were trying to get her husband fired, I agree that this would be wrong too. But I can't imagine a letter-writing campaign to get someone fired would draw the attention of the FBI unless there were also threats involved. At this point, we have only Hardie's word that there was such a campaign. I suppose I should go check to see if anything was reported in the press. |
2015-11-11T22:30:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-1/#comment-830189 |
wghow (who I will shortly ban because I'm assuming you are Ms. Hardie/Bloomfield, I probably should have looked closer at your avatar huh?): I know who YOU think might be involved; I have no idea if you are right, and given your extremely poor track record with the truth I have pretty much zero faith that you've IDed the correct person. Or that you would tell the truth if you did know. Or that there even was a letter writing campaign at all. |
2015-11-11T21:40:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/11/mra-provocateur-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-also-threatening-to-kill-people-again/comment-page-1/#comment-830165 |
I'm pretty sure that the person who posted that about CPS is a troll trying to cause trouble; I'm deleting their comment and banning them. | 2015-11-11T17:43:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-4/#comment-830103 |
I've been offline for a while and I haven't caught up on this thread, but I know someone said something about calling CPS. PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS. You don't know anything about the family situation. Jut because Jack is an asshole to me doesn't mean he's a bad dad. I imagine other commenters here have made this same point but I wanted to add my voice to that. |
2015-11-11T17:38:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-4/#comment-830100 |
Barnes has already retweeted Suzy's tweet. Will an AVFM post follow? These people are the most dishonest pieces of shit I've ver run across in my life. | 2015-11-10T22:07:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-829760 |
ninjaed! | 2015-11-10T22:06:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-829758 |
Here's Suzy McCarley's latest: apparently to her, people offering me support is proof we're planning to SWAT someone. (In case you're reading this, Suzy, we're not.) https://twitter.com/SuzyMcCarley/status/664288992041373696 |
2015-11-10T21:56:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-829751 |
I am grateful for and humbled by your support! It really means a lot. | 2015-11-10T21:55:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-829750 |
Thanks again, folks. Your support means a lot. Also thanks for the ducks and turtle. Even if at first I thought the ducks were a giant tarantula. |
2015-11-10T20:52:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-829720 |
Thanks again, everyone, and thanks for the kitties. Suzy McCarley has offered this reaction to my post: https://twitter.com/SuzyMcCarley/status/664267893157294080 Just astonishing. I mean ... wow. |
2015-11-10T20:41:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-829714 |
Kat, and everyone else, sorry to worry you! I'm here, I'm ok. I should have checked in to let you all know that. I just put up a post about Barnes and his bullshit. |
2015-11-10T20:23:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/05/any-woman-in-tech-could-be-a-false-accusing-feminist-honey-trap-addled-open-source-guru-warns/comment-page-3/#comment-829703 |
Thanks, everyone! I'm taking appropriate steps to deal with this, but I won't be discussing them publicly. If any of you see anything from Barnes or his supporters you think is relevant, please let me know | 2015-11-10T20:20:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-829701 |
It's striking that Barnes accused me of "remaining silent" about the doxing -- in a post in which he cited a post of mine in which I explcitly condemned the doxing. Then McCarley claimed I hadn't condemned it -- while quoting a Tweet in which I condemned it. Agt this poit I don't think i can assume this is carelessness on their part; I have to assume a degree of malice and outright deceit. | 2015-11-09T02:54:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/07/zombifying-vagina-goo-part-two-all-your-questions-answered/comment-page-2/#comment-829306 |
eyesopen, I would lay odds on the doxer being either an AVFMer or other MRA or a "third party troll" rather than a feminist. These people are chronically dishonest. | 2015-11-09T02:47:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/07/zombifying-vagina-goo-part-two-all-your-questions-answered/comment-page-2/#comment-829305 |
Thanks, folks. I'm doing what I need to do to keep safe, looking into legal options. I'm not sure Barnes knows that he's full of shit; I am fairly certain that Elam and McCarley are fully aware of his and their own bullshit and are egging him on, | 2015-11-09T02:45:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/07/zombifying-vagina-goo-part-two-all-your-questions-answered/comment-page-2/#comment-829303 |
In completely unrelated news, ZOE QUINN IS NOT ONLY PUBLISHING A MEMOIR WITH A MAJOR PUBLISHER BUT THIS BOOK IS ALSO GOING TO BE MADE INTO A FEATURE FILM. http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/11/07/zoe-quinn-memoir-crash-override-how-to-save-the-internet-from-itself-to-be-made-into-a-movie |
2015-11-06T18:38:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/06/mgtow-women-literally-hypnotize-men-with-their-zombifying-vagina-goo/comment-page-1/#comment-828646 |
Thanks, everyone! And thanks, Miss Andry for that post, and for snagging the relevant audio. Guess what AVFM did today? Put up the name, address, phone number etc of a doctor who performs circumcisions. Sort of like when the anti-abortion people put up lists of doctors who perform abortions. Which actually has resulted in people being killed. |
2015-11-06T18:28:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/06/dear-paul-elam-criticizing-you-is-not-equivalent-to-inciting-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-828638 |
Hey, EJ, your post reminded me that we're overdue for some open threads. I just opened one; I can paste your comment over there if you want, or you can. That facebook discussion sounds annoying as hell. |
2015-11-05T18:49:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/02/all-natural-calming-product-open-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-828177 |
@Shaenon may have won the thread with this: "You know how men are. You try to get them interested in STEM, and all they want to do is gossip and talk about hair." |
2015-11-05T15:17:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/05/any-woman-in-tech-could-be-a-false-accusing-feminist-honey-trap-addled-open-source-guru-warns/comment-page-2/#comment-828105 |
Brooked, seriously, I think he went to Sealion Academy. | 2015-11-04T20:13:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/04/cassie-jaye-launches-devastating-attack-on-things-i-didnt-say/comment-page-1/#comment-827710 |
raysa, that's awful. So glad you were able to extract yourself from that shitty situation. | 2015-11-04T20:07:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/04/i-dont-believe-there-is-any-real-love-within-them-and-other-insights-on-women-from-a-mens-rights-redditor/comment-page-1/#comment-827706 |
Tracy, oh my god I want one of those! I have a lot of trouble doing anything without devices featured in informercials. http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/11/8/18/anigif_enhanced-buzz-31123-1352415867-5.gif http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/11/8/18/anigif_enhanced-buzz-31182-1352416174-1.gif http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/11/8/18/anigif_enhanced-buzz-31164-1352415943-5.gif http://www.buzzfeed.com/julianbrand/40-gifs-of-stupid-infomercial-people-6eof |
2015-11-04T20:04:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/04/i-dont-believe-there-is-any-real-love-within-them-and-other-insights-on-women-from-a-mens-rights-redditor/comment-page-1/#comment-827705 |
anon, to be fair, I do eat a lot of chicken, though generally I'm clothed while doing it. COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC: Is anyone here a wordpress expert? I have a quick question I'd like to ask you. Please email me: dfutrelle at gmail. |
2015-11-04T19:06:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/04/cassie-jaye-launches-devastating-attack-on-things-i-didnt-say/comment-page-1/#comment-827679 |
gabrielletpatterson, I want to move on as well; I just felt I should respond to her accusations. And then her fans showed up and I thought I might as well put them in the post too. | 2015-11-04T18:08:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/04/cassie-jaye-launches-devastating-attack-on-things-i-didnt-say/comment-page-1/#comment-827663 |
Paradoxical Intention, yeah a misbehaving spam filter ate your comments. It sometimes does that in really active threads. I let one of the comments through, as they were all the same, so hopefully that will convince the spam filter of the error of its ways. | 2015-11-03T18:07:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/03/far-right-weirdos-boycotting-seth-rogens-xmas-flick-because-hes-a-cuck-allegedly/comment-page-1/#comment-827146 |
Sunny, thanks for the link! Bina, I'm absolutely completely 100% positive that Cerno is NOT the troll who lived on the beach. |
2015-11-02T16:56:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/31/is-red-pill-director-cassie-jayes-cannes-award-a-fake-signs-point-to-yes/comment-page-3/#comment-826716 |
@AAAtheist: "This is a very problematic approach to take with verified hate-mongers whose willful ignorance is hateful and malicious." Exactly. It reminds me of what Errol Morris said about his documentary about Fred Leuchter, the Holocaust denier; usually Morris is big on the "just let them talk" method, but he realized that he needed to have experts in the documentary to take apart Leuchter's sophistries. |
2015-11-02T16:44:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/02/cassie-jaye-tells-vocativ-she-was-stalked-by-an-mra-she-interviewed-for-her-red-pill-doc/comment-page-1/#comment-826708 |
Auntie Alias, AFAIK Cassie has not officially confirmed that Cernovich will be a producer, but she retweeted a post of his in which he said that so I think it's pretty much a done deal. Though I suppose she could always change her mind, give back the money, and not give him the title. I agree with those who see this as a giant problem for her film; selling a producer credit to a raving antifeminist bully and bigot does not exactly enhance her credibility. |
2015-11-01T15:22:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/31/is-red-pill-director-cassie-jayes-cannes-award-a-fake-signs-point-to-yes/comment-page-3/#comment-826497 |
"Her promises about the documentary have always been to be neutral." I'm curious if you watched the footage she put on her kickstarter page. Because it's really not neutral at all. |
2015-10-31T20:56:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/31/is-red-pill-director-cassie-jayes-cannes-award-a-fake-signs-point-to-yes/comment-page-2/#comment-826380 |
It's not clear if the festival showed any films in Cannes. The Cannes Guide site -- which as far as I know is NOT an official Cannes Film Festival website, but rather a guide for those attending it -- said the Cannes Independent Film festival had no presence at the main festival, and he was unable to locate where the films were supposedly shown, presumably at some small venue because all the real theaters were being used for the real Cannes fest. | 2015-10-31T18:46:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/31/is-red-pill-director-cassie-jayes-cannes-award-a-fake-signs-point-to-yes/comment-page-2/#comment-826366 |
There's no reason not to report this now. If she were a writer working on a book, and went around saying that she won the "Noble" Prize for literature for her previous work, and people thought she'd won the Nobel prize for literature, and she never corrected them, it would be worth writing about. There would be no reason whatsoever to wait until her book were finished. She's working on a documentary about the men's rights movement. I write about the men's rights movement. So her documentary is something within the purview of this blog, regardless of her ideology. If it turns out she does a critical documentary about the MRM, her dishonesty about the award is still relevant. I mean, I agree with a lot of the points that Michael Moore makes in his documentaries, but he's been dishonest in various ways in his past documentaries, and that's worth pointing out even though I agree with him generally about a lot of stuff. Her kickstarter is still up; with the additional money she may try to talk to other people including feminists that AVFM has harassed. The information in this post is relevant to potential donors to her film and to those trying to decide whether or not to agree to be interviewed by her. Generally speaking, journalists report what they know when they know it. They don't wait. I found out about this shortly after I posted the open letter, and felt it deserved a post. So I did one. She has won other awards from small -- but legitimate -- film festivals. Those are the awards she should be talking about, not this award from a scam festival that used the Cannes name to deceive people. |
2015-10-31T18:42:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/31/is-red-pill-director-cassie-jayes-cannes-award-a-fake-signs-point-to-yes/comment-page-2/#comment-826363 |
CaptainWacky, I will confirm that I .... am .... Nice .... and…Kentucky Fried Chicken… is…Nice. | 2015-10-30T18:17:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/30/a-self-described-harasser-and-abuser-of-feminists-is-accusing-me-of-threatening-cassie-jaye/comment-page-1/#comment-826048 |
Iris, I think at this point we've all heard enough of your disingenuous bullshit. Banned. | 2015-10-29T03:27:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/28/an-open-letter-to-cassie-jaye-director-of-the-red-pill/comment-page-2/#comment-825374 |
I should add that I understand why folks would be angry if I HAD doxed her. | 2015-10-28T15:27:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/28/an-open-letter-to-cassie-jaye-director-of-the-red-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-825144 |
Whoops ninjaed like five times. | 2015-10-28T15:25:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/28/an-open-letter-to-cassie-jaye-director-of-the-red-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-825141 |
Sn0rkmaiden, I'm not doxing her, she's using her real name publicly now. She used it on her gofundme: https://www.gofundme.com/y377w4pc That's why I used it. She actually tried to post a comment in this thread under her real name. Something to the effect of "delicious feminist tears." |
2015-10-28T15:24:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/28/an-open-letter-to-cassie-jaye-director-of-the-red-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-825140 |
I suppose I should have put this in the post, but it's telling that Elam's first response to the success of her Kickstarter isn't to say, "now we can really go out and help troubled men," but "fuck those fuckers who said bad things about me, and here are their names!" | 2015-10-28T12:03:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/28/an-open-letter-to-cassie-jaye-director-of-the-red-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-825060 |
Freemage, yes, the standard Red Pill PUA attack on AVFM is that it's ... feminist; the standard AVFM attack on PUAs is that they are "pussy beggars" who care too much about what women think. I know, I know. But that's what they really say. |
2015-10-27T14:54:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/27/the-red-pilla-voice-for-men-feud-gets-weirder-with-this-recipe-for-chicken-a-la-elam-from-red-piller-gaylubeoil/comment-page-1/#comment-824722 |
NOTE TO THUNDERF00T FANS TRYING TO POST HERE: Really, would it kill you to actually read the post and some of the comments here before posting your pronouncements? Seriously, if the comments you try to post reveal that you clearly haven't read either the OP or any previous comments, why on earth would I let you into the discussion? If you want to go around yelling at people for things they didn't do, you've got pretty much the rest of the internet to do that on. |
2015-10-27T11:40:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/26/thunderf00t-rebuts-charges-he-commands-a-hate-mob-by-unleashing-a-hate-mob-on-a-woman-who-made-this-charge/comment-page-3/#comment-824650 |
milkshake fan, she didn't contact me, I contacted her. (That's why I was asking on twitter if anyone had her contact information, which I obviously wouldn't need if she had contacted me.) Sometimes writers contact the people they are writing about before writing about them, to ask them questions and so on. Oh, and my supposed "hit piece" is critical of her actions as well as of his, though obviously more critical of him, because he's the one who's unleashed a hate mob. Also, I've banned you for being tedious and repeatedly posting nonsense. |
2015-10-27T11:34:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/26/thunderf00t-rebuts-charges-he-commands-a-hate-mob-by-unleashing-a-hate-mob-on-a-woman-who-made-this-charge/comment-page-3/#comment-824646 |
Thanks, everyone! Feeling better now; hopefully it'll be smoother sailing in the days ahead. |
2015-10-26T17:48:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/25/technical-difficulties/comment-page-1/#comment-824339 |
Scribbles,I deleted your comment, no advocacy of violence on this blog even if it's beating up nazis. | 2015-10-24T18:35:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/23/is-the-trollhattan-killer-also-the-first-killer-troll-anton-lundin-petterssons-online-world/comment-page-2/#comment-823921 |
Karki I can't believe i forgot about the Pigs In Space Program. | 2015-10-20T09:48:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/20/racists-trump-fans-and-chuck-c-johnson-join-together-in-boycottstarwarsvii-crusade/comment-page-1/#comment-822169 |
Chris, you can be assistant sports editor. I banned anon, for violating all the rules and being way too low-effort. |
2015-10-19T14:02:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/19/guess-whos-getting-more-traffic-than-the-1-mens-rights-website-again/comment-page-1/#comment-821815 |
SFHC, wait, you actually keep vegemite around the house? | 2015-10-19T11:44:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/19/enjoy-these-delicious-patriarchy-sandwiches-with-all-the-fixins/comment-page-1/#comment-821666 |
For example, the sandwich post this morning already has nearly 100 iikes/shares; this one is probably going to have a handful, since it's mainly of interest to regular readers. | 2015-10-19T11:35:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/19/guess-whos-getting-more-traffic-than-the-1-mens-rights-website-again/comment-page-1/#comment-821659 |
Oh, oh, another big reason to doubt AVFM's traffic stats. My posts here often get hundreds of likes/shares on Twitter and Facebook, sometimes even thousands. (You can see that if you look at the share buttons after each post.) AVFM posts rarely get that many. There's some kind of power law going on with shares; posts of mine tend to get either a handful or several hundred. There aren't many that score in between. |
2015-10-19T11:31:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/19/guess-whos-getting-more-traffic-than-the-1-mens-rights-website-again/comment-page-1/#comment-821657 |
And thanks, everyone! On the Spearhead, I think it's been down for at least a year. I probably should have done a little tribute to it. Hmm. I could stiff do that. |
2015-10-19T11:27:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/19/guess-whos-getting-more-traffic-than-the-1-mens-rights-website-again/comment-page-1/#comment-821652 |
Well, my suspicion on AVFM traffic is based on a couple of things. One, back before AVFM's traffic plunge on Alexa, Alexa was estimating that the number of pageviews per visitor on AVFM was something like 6 -- that is, the typical visitor looked at six pages on sahe site. At the time, Alexa was stimating that the number of pageviews per person on WHTM was less than 2. (In fact, according to my actual stats it was 3-4 pageviews/visitor, and now it's generally more than 4.) So Alexa was suggesting that AVFM visitors were 3 times as "engaged" as readers here. But if you compare the most obvious visible signs of engagement, comments, there are more here than there. I don't know if this reflects the inaccuracy of Alexa's estimates or some sort of traffic boosting or Alexa-fooling strategy on AVFM's part. The fact that some AVFMers have a lot of fake followers on Twitter suggests to me that AVFM is not above faking things to make itself look more popular than it is. The other suspicious thing? Elam announced not that long ago that he expected traffic there to fall further than it already has. On the one hand, maybe this jut meant that he expected to post fewer posts, and that traffic might fall because of that. The alternative is that he was paying for fake traffic (possibly bots), or doing something to fudge his/alexa stats and that he's stopped doing this. Hence traffic in freefall. But I don't know how that would work, nor do I know how one might go about fooling Alexa, so I have no idea if my suspicions are justified or not. Once I switch over to wordpress.org, I may sign up for Alexa's subscription services, so they'll have my actual stats to work with. |
2015-10-19T11:25:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/19/guess-whos-getting-more-traffic-than-the-1-mens-rights-website-again/comment-page-1/#comment-821648 |
Let's not have this argument, | 2015-10-14T21:47:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/12/a-texas-womans-dildos-not-guns-protest-is-causing-gun-fanatics-to-lose-it/comment-page-3/#comment-819971 |
Scribbles, what the hell. | 2015-10-14T21:10:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/12/a-texas-womans-dildos-not-guns-protest-is-causing-gun-fanatics-to-lose-it/comment-page-3/#comment-819946 |
This article title sound like a clickbait article. Up next: Which PUA are You? – This Cat Attacking A MRA Will Warm Your Heart – The 10 Worst Things Thay Happened to Feminists On InternetI'm working on all those! |
2015-10-13T13:09:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/13/this-45-second-video-demolishes-the-mra-delusion-that-women-have-gotten-too-powerful-in-contemporary-society/comment-page-1/#comment-819533 |
Obsidian, all you had to do to keep from being banned again was to not spam the topic with a zillion comments and/or links to your own stuff. Alas, you failed this very easy to pass test and so I'm banning you again. |
2015-10-12T13:08:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/06/heres-my-segment-from-the-majority-report-yesterday/comment-page-4/#comment-819168 |
Annabelle N, unfortunately there is no transcript and I don't have the resources to produce one. Honestly. there wasn't too much in the show that I haven't said here many times already! | 2015-10-10T16:37:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/06/heres-my-segment-from-the-majority-report-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-818317 |
Obsidian, you do know you're banned here, right? And one of the reasons I banned you was because of your tendency to take over threads by posting endless numbers of comments? I let these through for the hell of it, and because most commenters here had already moved on to newer threads, but if you actually want to post here again you can't just walk into a thread and post a zillion comments full of bullshit and straw men that suggest you haven't actually read a word of the discussion so far. I'm not going to bother to reply to any of your "arguments" because, well, life is short and I have better things to do. |
2015-10-10T16:34:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/06/heres-my-segment-from-the-majority-report-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-818313 |
If anyone wants more NWOslave, click on the troll of the year link in the OP to see an early draft of the NWOslave Book of Learnin. | 2015-10-08T18:43:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/08/mra-history-korner-women-never-worked-outside-the-home-because-there-was-no-air-conditioning/comment-page-1/#comment-817619 |
I used to pronounce it Em-gutow. | 2015-10-06T19:05:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/06/heres-my-segment-from-the-majority-report-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-816883 |
Thanks, everyone! In my defense, at least I didn't say Eddin-Burg. Someone messaging the show took issue with my pronouncement of "Oregon" as well. |
2015-10-06T18:40:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/06/heres-my-segment-from-the-majority-report-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-816876 |
Miss Andry, OMG, more AVFM drama, thank you thank you! And I'll be adding your site to a new sidebar on whtm 2.0. | 2015-10-05T19:18:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/05/4channers-now-threatening-to-shoot-up-every-school-they-can-think-of-as-well-as-whoville-and-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-816556 |
Thanks, everyone! Depressurizing now. And yeah, this is Matt's last monday show. I'm still not clear on where he's going but it seems pretty clearhe's going to continue talking about MRAs and their ilk. |
2015-10-05T12:07:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/05/ill-be-on-the-majority-report-podcast-today-the-show-is-live-at-noon-et/comment-page-1/#comment-816453 |
"this is seems to be a very American notion that when the police don’t want you to report something, you should absolutely rush to print it, as though the police might not have a valid reason to want to withhold circulation of certain information." Of course that's not what I'm arguing. I'm not saying that if the police say "don't publish this" that the media should immediately run and publish it just to spite the cops or whatever. I'm saying that the media needs to take a critical stance towards official statements of all time, an shouldn't be afraid to publish things that the public has a right to know abut just because an official told them not to. One of the main jobs of journalists is to publish things that the pubic has a right to know about, even if this makes certain gvt officials/corporations/etc uncomfortable or unhappy. As I said earlier, there are times when the media shouldn't publish all the info they know. Like, say, troop movements. But it is very much in the public interest to know the identities of murderers. |
2015-10-05T10:30:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/04/do-gamergaters-really-think-its-unethical-for-the-media-to-report-things-the-police-dont-want-them-to/comment-page-1/#comment-816425 |
Certainly there are times when the media will choose not to report on something for a good reason -- not naming rape victims, for example. But they should be making that determination for themselves, not because the police tell them to. That's my point. | 2015-10-04T17:35:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/04/do-gamergaters-really-think-its-unethical-for-the-media-to-report-things-the-police-dont-want-them-to/comment-page-1/#comment-816166 |
andiexist, for this effect i used paint.net, which despite the name is software and not a web-based graphic editor. It's free. I used the effects "ink sketch" and posterize. | 2015-10-03T22:16:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/03/he-found-the-mammoth/comment-page-1/#comment-815936 |
kfreed, I mainly quoted Chuck Johnson as an example of an idiot jumping to a conclusion about the shooter, and claiming it's "cofirmed" when it's just just his speculation and when it actually seems highly unlikely. Luzbelitx, so sorry yo're going through a rough time. |
2015-10-02T09:31:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/01/umpqua-community-college-shooter-apparently-announced-his-plans-on-4chan-yesterday/comment-page-3/#comment-815222 |
I updated the post. The iDing of the shooter actually raises more questions than it answers, and makes me wonder if the post on 4chan yesterday might have not have been him. That doesn't make the comments from other 4channers any less disgusting, of course. | 2015-10-01T20:53:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/01/umpqua-community-college-shooter-apparently-announced-his-plans-on-4chan-yesterday/comment-page-2/#comment-815005 |
It's clear that the police know about this thread, as does the media. On CNN they are talking about this thread -- in a vague way, without saying where it's from -- but the few details that they are giving make it clear they're looking at the same thread. | 2015-10-01T16:18:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/01/umpqua-community-college-shooter-apparently-announced-his-plans-on-4chan-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-814858 |
Please continue the discussion here: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/01/umpqua-community-college-shooter-apparently-announced-his-plans-on-4chan-yesterday/ |
2015-10-01T16:03:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/01/another-mass-shooting-on-college-campus-10-reported-killed-at-umqua-community-college-in-oregon/comment-page-1/#comment-814849 |
I opened up a new thread for anyone wanting to talk about/share information about the shooting, Horrible. | 2015-10-01T14:56:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/10/01/return-of-kings-satans-plan-for-the-world-is-feminism-and-social-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-814792 |
Dar is banned, for repeated violations of the comment policy and generally being an ass. Sorry I didn't do t sooner. | 2015-09-30T10:26:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-41/#comment-814386 |
I liked Absentia too! More micro-budget horror films: Salvage (this one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0492754/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) Home Movie (this one http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1267319/?ref_=nv_sr_2) (I can't find references to its budget but I remember reading once that it was super duper cheap.) There have been a lot of really good, really really cheaply made horror films in recent years. Horror lends itself well to low budgets, because the films are often about people alone in the middle of nowhere, and the scary stuff is often more scary when it's implied rather than shown. |
2015-09-28T23:47:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/28/eraserhead-clerks-slacker-and-5-other-classic-films-that-cost-less-than-the-sarkeesian-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-813887 |
oh and I added the link for my review | 2015-09-28T17:25:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/28/eraserhead-clerks-slacker-and-5-other-classic-films-that-cost-less-than-the-sarkeesian-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-813761 |
nomoon, I didn't realize Upstream Color was also such a low budget film; it's visually amazing, though I thought that the symbolism was overdone and that plot-wise it sort of went to hell after the extremely promising beginning. | 2015-09-28T17:23:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/28/eraserhead-clerks-slacker-and-5-other-classic-films-that-cost-less-than-the-sarkeesian-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-813758 |
mistressoflarry, I definitely don't want to take anything away from the accomplishments of Anita and Zoe; they've both done amazing things despite a level of harassment I don't know how they're able to endure. But Gamergate has ironically given them more influence than they would have had otherwise. | 2015-09-28T15:00:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/28/the-13-most-ridiculous-things-gamergaters-have-said-about-anita-and-zoes-un-visit-reddit-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-813701 |
Shalimar, I don't know if you're joking or not. It's Kevin Logan. The "Kurt Logan" thing is a reference to a recent video by Matt Forney in which Forney referred repeatedly to him as Kurt, showing how carefully researched (not) Forney's attack on Logan really was. | 2015-09-25T16:38:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/25/friday-video-fun-times-half-hour-watch-this-re-enactment-of-the-sarkeesian-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-812685 |
TEP, I actually added all the exclamation marks, just to add a bit more surreality to it a. I mentioned this in the OP but a few people have missed that. | 2015-09-25T10:12:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/22/the-reviews-are-in-the-sarkeesian-effect-is-a-hit-with-one-incomprehensibly-pedantic-critic/comment-page-3/#comment-812526 |
Amandajane, Dean is currently co-hosting a youtube "radio show" with a black MRA/manospherean who devotes a lot of his energy to attacking black women. I'm sure that's why Dean feels justified in spouting this shit. | 2015-09-25T01:00:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/24/white-dude-tells-black-trans-queer-woman-shes-a-disgusting-racist-sexist-bigot-who-has-every-advantage-in-life-over-me/comment-page-1/#comment-812358 |
I used to have a problem with plastic soda bottles; if I reclosed the bottles after using them but did't immediately put the bottles back in the fridge, the air inside would expand and the bottle would become impossible to open. I would sometimes poke holes in the bottles to relieve the pressure. Then someone suggested to me that I squeeze the bottles in before screwing the bottlecap back on. That gives the bottle the ability to expand along with the air.PROBLEM SOLVED FOREVER. |
2015-09-25T00:52:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/24/the-10-most-ridiculous-responses-to-the-masculinitysofragile-hashtag/comment-page-2/#comment-812353 |
I'm not sure why Rava felt the need to post his email to me here, but I've taken it down while I consult with my team of cat lawyers. | 2015-09-24T20:54:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/03/like-rosa-parks-but-for-dudes-mras-sue-on-behalf-of-allegedly-discriminated-against-men-in-tech/comment-page-3/#comment-812284 |
@Paleo Cream Puff, not appropriate. I deleted your comment. | 2015-09-23T04:23:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/22/coffeeshop-owners-face-boycott-after-theyre-revealed-as-creepy-rapey-pua-scum/comment-page-1/#comment-811520 |
anonaconda i'm sticking with the "no doxing" thing. But those quotes are appalling; thanks for passing them along. PI, you said something about sending me $ from your store, not sure if that' what you meant, but you should keep the money for yourself or donate to charity. |
2015-09-21T18:42:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/21/a-stunning-victory-for-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-811051 |
Moggie I'm planning to give the blockquote monster a long and well-deserved vacation. | 2015-09-18T18:37:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/18/friday-afternoon-video-what-its-like-watching-the-sarkeesian-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-810068 |
I think the space video is there because this is the bit where he goes on about how all matter in the universe is drven by virtue, or whatever that line was. On Twitter he said his Ayndroid rant was cut down from an hour-long original. I would assume that was a joke if it wasn't coming from a guy who once spent an hour ranting about Gail Dines while sitting naked in a bathtub. WWTH, I apologize for the delay on the site update. It's taking longer than expected. There's been a lot of little details to work out with new plugins and a few added graphic elements, as well as a very messy transfer of the blog, with more than 2000 posts and half a million comments. I'm hoping it will be done this week, knock on wood. |
2015-09-18T17:02:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/18/friday-afternoon-video-what-its-like-watching-the-sarkeesian-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-810035 |
Oh, I fixed the link to the reddit discussion. As for text, I prefer to use screenshots when I can,in case of later deletions, I do paste in the text as alt text (this if for people who use screen readers to listen to posts), not sure if you can get to that text easily for quoting purposes though. |
2015-09-16T23:36:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/16/feminists-are-stealing-our-sexbots-mens-rights-redditors-warn/comment-page-1/#comment-809337 |
Hmm. I'll fiddle with the post. | 2015-09-16T13:19:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/15/17-completely-wrong-things-about-filmmaking-i-learned-from-the-sarkeesian-effect-the-worst-documentary-ever-made/comment-page-2/#comment-809139 |
Oh, and I'll do a post on Joshua Goldberg, it's just such a weird and complicated story I haven't got it figured out yet. He trolled a LOT of people and his motivations for it all (beyond LULZ) aren't clear. I think saying "gamergate supporter arrested for terrorism" is too simplistic. | 2015-09-16T13:18:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/15/17-completely-wrong-things-about-filmmaking-i-learned-from-the-sarkeesian-effect-the-worst-documentary-ever-made/comment-page-2/#comment-809138 |
My point re sex workers/porn stars: If they had any expertise in the subject matter, that would be one thing. But they don't. Granted, most of the men interviewed for the doc don't either, but, huh, none of them are sex workers or porn stars. Basically it looks like Owen used the doc as an excuse to talk to sex workers and porn stars, so much so that MOST of the screen time devoted to women interview subjects is given to these women. He's been obsessed with porn for years. Meanwhile, Aurini used the doc as an excuse to talk to assorted far-right ideologues (Jim Goad, for example). But we don't see as many of them in the doc because Owen cut some of them out. The cleavage bit was mainly intended as an excuse to post that pic of Elam. |
2015-09-16T13:12:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/15/17-completely-wrong-things-about-filmmaking-i-learned-from-the-sarkeesian-effect-the-worst-documentary-ever-made/comment-page-2/#comment-809134 |
hipsterminator, alan is right; I removed your comment. | 2015-09-15T17:30:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/15/17-completely-wrong-things-about-filmmaking-i-learned-from-the-sarkeesian-effect-the-worst-documentary-ever-made/comment-page-1/#comment-808863 |
And their hatred of Valenti apparently stems from a video many years ago in which she called MRAs losers or something along those lines. She barely ever writes about them, AFAIK. | 2015-09-15T17:24:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/14/video-go-home-mens-rights-movement-youre-drunk-seriously-folks-watch-this-one/comment-page-2/#comment-808857 |
Oh, and as far as I know Jessica Valenti has never written anything about blowjobs; Paul is just pulling that from his own fevered imagination. They hate Amanda Marcotte because she writes pretty bluntly from time to time about what creepy assholes mras are |
2015-09-15T17:23:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/14/video-go-home-mens-rights-movement-youre-drunk-seriously-folks-watch-this-one/comment-page-2/#comment-808855 |
Here's the organic life bit: https://twitter.com/betsyinferno/status/643517431093325825 Oh, and kirbywarp, ihere's no narrative, it's rambling and incoherent. It brings in a lot of other evil "professional victims" like chanty binx but doesn't really explain their stories in any coherent way or explain, say, what a woman yelling at mras at a demonstratio has to do with AS. |
2015-09-15T16:52:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/15/17-completely-wrong-things-about-filmmaking-i-learned-from-the-sarkeesian-effect-the-worst-documentary-ever-made/comment-page-1/#comment-808842 |
Or just watch the snippets posted by @betsyinferno https://twitter.com/betsyinferno |
2015-09-15T16:02:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/15/17-completely-wrong-things-about-filmmaking-i-learned-from-the-sarkeesian-effect-the-worst-documentary-ever-made/comment-page-1/#comment-808825 |
I would not encourage anyone to watch the film. It's not so-bad-it's-good. It's an excruciating ordeal. If you absolutely must, maybe skip around in it randomly and watch no more than 15 minutes in total. |
2015-09-15T16:01:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/15/17-completely-wrong-things-about-filmmaking-i-learned-from-the-sarkeesian-effect-the-worst-documentary-ever-made/comment-page-1/#comment-808824 |
painteyelash, excellent! I'm a big fan of the majority report, though I mostly watch the little snippets on youtube. | 2015-09-15T15:53:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/14/video-go-home-mens-rights-movement-youre-drunk-seriously-folks-watch-this-one/comment-page-2/#comment-808819 |
Oh lord,only 48 minutes in, because I keep taking screenshots and finding excuses to stop watching and do other things. So expect a post tomorrow, not tonight. Oh, and I'll need another $15,000 for typing fees and walking around money. |
2015-09-14T19:36:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/14/the-sarkeesian-effect-is-out-check-out-this-bootleg-copy-i-got-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-808513 |
I'm awake! And I'm going to go watch the damn thing. Let's continue the discussion here: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/14/the-sarkeesian-effect-is-out-check-out-this-bootleg-copy-i-got-for-free/ |
2015-09-14T16:52:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/14/sarkeesian-effect-release-imminent-possibly-gamergate-hilariousdisasters/comment-page-1/#comment-808465 |
I just realized what this video reminded me of: The creepy dance scene from the horror movie Calvaire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wloEPQl0IQ0 brb,adding it to the post |
2015-09-14T09:58:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/14/video-go-home-mens-rights-movement-youre-drunk-seriously-folks-watch-this-one/comment-page-1/#comment-808335 |
I actually think that "rape culture" picture Is a racist cartoon inspired by that famous painting of an incubus. The "incubus" looks like a racist caricature of a black "native." | 2015-09-13T18:55:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/13/theres-no-stealing-a-red-car-or-violence-against-women-more-bizarre-memes-from-avfm/comment-page-1/#comment-808110 |
NoMorePC: Rape jokes? Really? Banned. | 2015-09-10T22:06:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/09/dont-trust-the-womanish-liars-who-say-mgtows-cant-marry-they-might-get-you-killed-dean-esmay-warns/comment-page-2/#comment-807131 |
Thanks, everyone, and also KITTIES | 2015-09-07T00:56:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/30/thank-you-again-for-all-your-support/comment-page-1/#comment-805626 |
Mr.Hobbes is using a disguised IP but I'm 99.9999% sure he's a returning troll who usually tends to post weird pseudoreligious stuff. | 2015-09-04T12:16:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/03/like-rosa-parks-but-for-dudes-mras-sue-on-behalf-of-allegedly-discriminated-against-men-in-tech/comment-page-3/#comment-804844 |
Oh. Larry. I had some hopes for you because your initial comments made me laugh, but now you've gotten boring and you aren't even willing to entertain the possibility of following the comments policy here, so you're banned. | 2015-09-01T11:49:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/01/mens-rights-activists-still-angry-that-theyre-considered-a-joke-vow-to-do-nothing-to-change-this/comment-page-1/#comment-803660 |
Amy, no I haven't figured out what's been going on, alas. It usually seems to happen with monthly donations, Thanks for letting me know. Joe, yeah, the new design will work fine on all devices. |
2015-08-30T18:15:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-2/#comment-802984 |
E, really sorry to hear that. Awful. odoran, no worries, you can keep images from embedding by putting something else on the same line as the url -- I added a period to your comment and turned the embedded pic into a link. |
2015-08-30T16:36:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/comment-page-4/#comment-802954 |
scribbles, I think you're just plain wrong on all that. There are lots of ways to fight white supremacists that don't involve violence, which in addition to being questionable morally can also backfire in a big way -- and it's not white guys who will end up paying the price for that. The SPLC (full of white guys) basically destroyed the KKK with lawsuits, which was a big setback for white supremacists. This guy embarrassed white supremacists by playing a sousaphone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs4P1kKK-5k "No calls for violence" is going to remain the policy here. |
2015-08-30T16:27:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/28/8channers-are-trying-to-pick-up-women-on-tinder-with-a-famous-neo-nazi-slogan-its-not-going-well-for-them/comment-page-3/#comment-802951 |
Cassie, FWIW, he does cite a specific passage: "3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4 Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God." https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+2 Of course he leaves out a bunch: "Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled. 7 In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness 8 and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us. "9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive." |
2015-08-29T21:54:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/29/dalrock-men-can-help-women-by-talking-crap-about-them/comment-page-1/#comment-802786 |
I've given vetarnian the boot. Haven't caught up on this thread yet; email me if anyone else needs to go. | 2015-08-28T20:29:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/26/rape-culture-deniers-genuinely-confused-or-just-pretending/comment-page-5/#comment-802544 |
Tracy: Thanks! And yes, we can do it: we'll have a link to previous/next posts at the bottom! | 2015-08-26T21:35:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-2/#comment-801667 |
Thanks everyone! Oh, and that "follow" thing must be a new wordpress.com thing; I'm getting a similar message that says "customize, edit" because I'm signed in on my own blog. |
2015-08-26T16:54:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-2/#comment-801624 |
If I keep it I'll try to make it look better, but I think I'm just going to get rid of it. | 2015-08-26T03:28:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-2/#comment-801475 |
Hmm. I'll think about better ways to highlight older posts. (There are certainly plenty to choose from.) Does anyone ever use the category list to do that? I'm thinking I should just get rid of that. |
2015-08-26T03:04:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-2/#comment-801469 |
Viscaria, yeah, WP really fucked up by not blocking those malicious ads faster. The main ad platform I intend to use shouldn't have that issue ever (fingers crossed). I'm thinking of using a tabbed widget to save space and offer people different ways to keep track of recent comments and posts. Would something like this be helpful to you all? (scroll down a bit to see what it looks like on a web page) https://wordpress.org/plugins/popular-widget/screenshots/ Or this one (you can see a live demo in the sidebar here). http://www.gopiplus.com/work/2013/08/04/wordpress-plugin-recent-posts-vs-recent-comments-tabs/#.VdzeLflViko |
2015-08-25T16:30:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-2/#comment-801246 |
I hear you all on the video ads! They are annoying (and counterproductive in that they cause people to use adblock). They will go away when the new site goes up and I have some control over the ads. On recent comments, how many comments should I list in the widget? I'm listing a lot now but would prefer to reduce that if it makes sense to you all. Also: your thoughts on recent and popular post widgets? Do I need both? If not, which is more important? How many posts should I list? |
2015-08-25T15:00:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-2/#comment-801209 |
Ok, looks like there's a plugin for comment preview. Would you folks prefer that to a (very time limited) ability to edit? We could also go with both because what the heck, flexibility. I think limiting the time available for editing would largely eliminate the troll-editing issue; if it turns out to be a problem i could disable the plugin. It looks like there are more people who prefer unthreaded comments, and that's my very strong preference too, so I'll stick with that. I found a couple of plugins that might make it easier to show who/what you're responding to; I'll keep looking for other useful comment plugins. On the "recent comments" issue, I could move the recent comments list to the footer, which would solve the mobile problem, sort of, but would make recent comments harder to use for everyone else. Or I could put them in the footer AND the sidebar but that seems like a lot of extra clutter. I'll talk to the web dev about this. |
2015-08-25T14:38:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-2/#comment-801201 |
Speaking of which, if any of you who access the blog via phone have issues with or comments about the design now, and/or suggestions on what to fix, let me know. (I access the blog on laptop and android tablet, but not on a phone.) I will definitely be talking to the web dev about making the site work for mobile. | 2015-08-25T05:42:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-801046 |
Looks like there's a plugin that allows edits for a limited amount of time, which seems like the simplest solution. | 2015-08-25T04:32:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-801028 |
Sarah, I should definitely do a who's who page. | 2015-08-24T23:38:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-800976 |
Also I will add sparkles to everything. Actual glitter will fall from your screen when you visit the site. | 2015-08-24T23:38:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-800975 |
Oh, and I'll look into comment editing. | 2015-08-24T23:36:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-800973 |
Thanks, this is all very useful. Like I said, I'm not going to do anything radical or add new browser-breaking crap. As for ads, yeah, I get $$ from them, so please turn off adblock! That said, I also hate the autoplay ads. I will be able to get rid of them when the new site goes up and I switch from wordpress' ads to other ad networks. I'm not inclined to go with upvotes or downvote, but wanted to see if anyone was for them. Sometime I wish I could upvote someone, but I agree that this can cause problems. I don't want to go with threaded comments -- unthreaded seems to work best for the kind of conversations we have here. But there is a plugin that will easily allow you to identify who you're responding to, and link back to their latest comment, so I'll try that. As for comment navigation, I'd rather start with the newest page of comments, BUT I'm going to add something so you can get to the oldest comments with a single click. Paging back through them is annoying. The buttons for blockquote, etc should eliminate most of the need for html. Alice, are there other things besides blockquotes, links, bold, italic that you want to do? (youtube and pics and tweets will continue to auto-embed by just pasting the url in on a line by itself) I'm planning on adding quizzes, trying to figure out a plugin to use. Does this seem like overkill, quiz-wise? (well, obviously the videos and the timers are but the rest?) http://www.easyquizplayer.com/ |
2015-08-24T23:35:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/24/we-hunted-the-mammoth-2-0-is-coming-add-your-suggestions-for-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-800970 |
You ladies and your books. Everyone knows that video games are the only true art, except for Candy Crush. | 2015-08-23T21:30:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/23/puppies-soundly-defeated-at-hugo-awards-vox-day-declares-i-meant-to-do-that/comment-page-1/#comment-800636 |
I put up a new post about the deleted post, now that we've got the actual text of it. snorkmaiden, which link are you talking about? I know that whiteribbon.org did originally have a donate button, but going there today I didn't see one. Am I missing something? |
2015-08-23T18:55:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/23/better-hope-there-is-sic-no-skeletons-in-your-closet-paul-elam-warns-those-who-allegedly-lie-about-mras-playtime-is-over/comment-page-1/#comment-800573 |
I had some really racist grandparents. (The grandparents on the other side were fine, though.) | 2015-08-22T17:54:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/22/segregation-now-segregation-forever-declare-red-pill-redditors/comment-page-1/#comment-800321 |
wwth, a couple of the blondes in the pic I used seem to have dark roots. | 2015-08-22T17:51:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/22/segregation-now-segregation-forever-declare-red-pill-redditors/comment-page-1/#comment-800320 |
Thanks, everyone! Mieze, I feel a bit weird taking your money if you're broke! |
2015-08-22T16:04:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/21/pledge-drive-for-a-new-improved-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-1/#comment-800280 |
Thanks, everyone! Donate whatever and whenever you can, it's all good, as they say. Hipsterminator, oh, the ironies.Didn't Roosh just publish a long post on "the Jewish question." (Yes, yes he did.) It's weird that these guys keep forgetting that THEY'RE the Nazis. |
2015-08-21T21:54:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/21/pledge-drive-for-a-new-improved-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-1/#comment-800140 |
We're open for business again, but let's drop all the Eugenicides stuff. She's on moderation for now; I'll decide whether that's a ban once I've had a chance to catch up on all this. |
2015-08-21T21:41:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/18/how-not-to-be-a-male-feminist-creep-8-lessons-from-the-ben-schoen-meltdown/comment-page-4/#comment-800135 |
eugenicide, what they said, don't bring the drama to other threads. I'm putting you on moderation, will decide if that's a ban once i catch up with these threads. | 2015-08-21T21:34:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/21/eager-for-excuse-to-call-women-whores-paul-elam-attacks-valentines-day-6-months-early/comment-page-2/#comment-800133 |
I can't even. Look, this isn't productive, and I don't have time to sort through it all right now, so I'm going to shut down the thread for a couple of hours. |
2015-08-21T18:54:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/18/how-not-to-be-a-male-feminist-creep-8-lessons-from-the-ben-schoen-meltdown/comment-page-4/#comment-800056 |
Eugenicides, I don't think you're a troll or an MRA. But the thing is, we get a lot of trolls here, and more than a few of them have shown up pretending to be women, with "concerns" about the site that are in fact attempts to sow dissention amongst the commenters here. And this happens on feminist sites a lot. Not that long ago a bunch of white supremacists set up fake twitter accounts pretending to be feminist WoC in order to get feminists fighting with each other. And so when you show up with a criticism that doesn't really make much sense without an explanation, and with a user name that sounds like a combination of "eugenics" and "genocide," it's not surprising that people took you for an MRA troll (and/or a guy). I hesitated to let your comment through in the first place, because I thought you might actually be some sort of white supremacist troll. Only after looking at your blog and seeing no evidence of that did I let the comment through. Again, after seeing your other comments I dont' think you are a troll or a white supremacist or anything other than who you say you are. But on the basis of your name and your first comment i wasn't sure. So that's why people responded the way they did. i'll be happy to address your substantive points but I'll have to get back to you on that as I have an event to go to right now. |
2015-08-21T18:06:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/18/how-not-to-be-a-male-feminist-creep-8-lessons-from-the-ben-schoen-meltdown/comment-page-4/#comment-800016 |
Thanks! "Reaction time is a factor in this so please pay attention. To the questions. No, that's a piece of fluff in the air. No, that's your own tail." |
2015-08-21T14:37:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/21/pledge-drive-for-a-new-improved-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-1/#comment-799880 |
Nequam, on the Matrix graphic, i just used an online photo-editing site: http://www.phixr.com/ It has a ton of filters/effects, and the matrix effect is one of them (in the fun effects section). So I'm not sure how to do the effect from scratch. |
2015-08-21T12:28:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/20/red-pill-redditors-hope-ashleymadison-leaks-will-lead-to-influx-of-embittered-losers/comment-page-2/#comment-799866 |
Oops, Mark posted with a new IP and I didn't realize he'd been previously banned. | 2015-08-19T14:23:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/18/how-not-to-be-a-male-feminist-creep-8-lessons-from-the-ben-schoen-meltdown/comment-page-2/#comment-799203 |
cupisnique, where to even start? Maybe these? http://www.lamag.com/longform/the-hugo-problem/ http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/02/exile-in-gal-ville-how-a-male-feminist-alienated-his-supporters/252915/ |
2015-08-18T22:00:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/18/how-not-to-be-a-male-feminist-creep-8-lessons-from-the-ben-schoen-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-798968 |
Uh.... look who's giving Ben advice now. https://twitter.com/hugoschwyzer/status/633825878116450305 https://twitter.com/hugoschwyzer/status/633827632396632064 And it's not even bad advice, really. Ben: When Hugo Schwyzer is a voice of reason in your life, you've really really really fucked up. |
2015-08-18T21:44:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/18/how-not-to-be-a-male-feminist-creep-8-lessons-from-the-ben-schoen-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-798960 |
anon, either that or they'll embrace him as a bold truth-teller. That tweet of his about chuck johnson wasn't actually a joke. He just did a live interview with johnson -- who treated him as a bold truth-teller -- and dug his hole deeper and deeper. He's astoundingly narcissistic. |
2015-08-18T17:06:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/18/how-not-to-be-a-male-feminist-creep-8-lessons-from-the-ben-schoen-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-798857 |
Shaenon, awesome! I'll paste it into the post. Ellesar, I'm not sure why someone would put it on a shirt, but that's a reference to signs that used to be posted on restaurants, pubs, etc in the UK. John Lydon (Johnny Rotten), who was the son of Irish immigrants,used it as a title for a book, intending it as a reference to bigotry, not an endorsement. Again, not sure the intent of the shiftmakers but that's the history of it. |
2015-08-17T21:55:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/15/saturday-fun-time-racist-cartoon-contest-feat-pitbull-and-deanesmay/comment-page-1/#comment-798594 |
Tracy, those are awesome! | 2015-08-17T18:22:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/17/12-totally-legit-pics-from-roosh-vs-world-tour/comment-page-1/#comment-798545 |
Had to be said, it has to be said that everyone here is thoroughly sick of you, your dishonesty and sea-lioning. So ta ta. In other news, turns out that Roosh pic wasn't photoshopped; he posted other pics from the event. I went ahead and photoshopped some new ones though, because why not? http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/17/12-totally-legit-pics-from-roosh-vs-world-tour/ |
2015-08-17T14:56:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/16/roosh-v-apparently-gives-talk-to-small-group-of-men-ashamed-to-show-their-faces-in-public-declares-victory/comment-page-3/#comment-798500 |
Peta, let's avoid anything that smacks of a clinical diagnosis. Roosh is certainly narcissistic in the colloquial sense, as are any number of the people I write about here. I'm not sure wy that means I shouldn't write about them. Donald Trump is a narcissist but he's worth writing about. In the case of Roosh, I think its' worth writing about him because he's a predator that women need to know about; this publicity may make it harder and harder for him to prey on women, and may lead to some of those he's preyed on in the past to come forward. But also because writing about him helps to make clear many of the really pernicious elements in PUA culture, which influences a lot of people. (Return of Kings gets lots more traffic than AVFM, for example,and he's sold a lot of books.) And it's also helped to spur a bigger discussion about consent and rape culture. |
2015-08-15T16:05:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/15/hitler-loving-dudes-named-andrew-agree-roosh-v-is-a-ok-even-though-hes-not-white/comment-page-1/#comment-797932 |
frances, actually there are lots of white supremacists who hate roosh, for that very reason. But roosh is totally dominating the white supremacist named andrew demographic. sfhc, actually, the daily stormer is currently offline, evidently blocked by ISPs, according to anglin. |
2015-08-15T12:45:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/15/hitler-loving-dudes-named-andrew-agree-roosh-v-is-a-ok-even-though-hes-not-white/comment-page-1/#comment-797889 |
The TW is there now, not sure what happened when I tried to add it before. | 2015-08-14T11:22:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-797442 |
I fixed the font and added a TW before the quotes from Roosh. I'm working with a web developer on doing a redesign of the blog (nothing radical), so things may get moved about a bit until it's all settled. |
2015-08-14T10:10:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-797399 |
Of course commenters on the news articles are blaming the murdered woman. https://twitter.com/NevilleSquamous/status/631831141763448832 |
2015-08-13T09:28:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/13/alleged-murderer-of-eight-in-houston-explains-im-not-god-but-you-know-im-the-man-of-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-796972 |
Buttercup, that meme of yours is awesome. Would you mind if I used it for a post, with attribution, of course (unless you didn't want that). | 2015-08-11T03:13:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/10/beer-soaked-roosh-v-files-charges-against-alleged-drink-tosser-retreats-to-fainting-couch/comment-page-3/#comment-796305 |
berdache, sometimes I have to wade,other times, bam, I find something right away. It's extreeeeeemely easy to find horrible stuff; it's a bit harder to find stuff that's horrible in an interesting way. | 2015-08-09T21:32:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/09/new-red-pill-theory-talking-about-relationships-causes-vaginas-to-reabsorb-all-moisture/comment-page-1/#comment-795773 |
I've banned Tim, in case he can't stick the flounce. | 2015-08-05T22:07:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/05/pua-douchebag-heartiste-a-typical-american-fatty-has-no-chance-against-a-sexbot-with-a-pretty-face-and-a-slender-bmi/comment-page-3/#comment-794603 |
So it turns out -- as "Bob Dole" noted earlier in the comments -- this dude's email is a slightly reworked copypasta of a 4chan-related meme. Not being a channer, I'm not up on all the 4chan memes. When 4chan copypasta is virtually indistinguishable from the kind of "fan mail" I get every day, well that doesn't say much for the originality of my assorted critics. | 2015-08-03T20:43:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/03/fan-mail-from-some-white-supremacist/comment-page-2/#comment-793960 |
Damn it, stop talking about Doritos. Now I want some, headaches be damned! | 2015-08-03T09:24:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/03/fan-mail-from-some-white-supremacist/comment-page-1/#comment-793667 |
KadeKo, oh, yeah, Putin. I should have specified American politicians; will go back and change. The only "mainstream" media person they seem to like is Ann Coulter, BTW, though some people think she's a cuckservative, somehow. (Their metaphor kind of falls apart when you introduce women into the picture as anything other than male property.) And, yeah, I realize this shit can be depressing to read, and I fully understand anyone who doesn't want to read posts like these. I have friends who can't read this blog at all because of that. There are days I can't bring myself to look at this shit, and I'm not even in any of the demographics that these assholes are directing their hate at. |
2015-08-03T00:38:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/02/cuckservative-the-dumbest-neo-nazi-hashtag-since-culturalmarxism-hits-the-big-time/comment-page-1/#comment-793548 |
kingofkings, if you wanted to talk about "rape by deception" or countries with godawful rape laws, that would have been fine. But, yeah, making sweeping generalizations about races/religions/nationalities isn't cool here. The problem with Roosh isn't that he's got "Persian ideas." And since you doubled down when challenges on this, I'm banning you. |
2015-08-02T22:41:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/04/pickup-artist-roosh-v-edges-ever-closer-to-neo-nazism-with-an-attack-on-cosmopolitan-degenerate-jews/comment-page-3/#comment-793523 |
Er, how on eath could a "bot" have made that website? It's not even a straight copy of Owen's. | 2015-08-01T14:14:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/01/oh-my-lorem-the-sarkeesian-effect-premiere-was-an-even-more-glorious-fiasco-than-we-could-have-possibly-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-793133 |
Penny, that's horrible! Hopefully this time they will actually keep him locked away. | 2015-07-31T02:54:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/30/evil-female-fakes-pregnancy-to-get-attention-pampering-delicious-bamboo/comment-page-1/#comment-792780 |
It’s possible Bill Cosby truly thought he was only being an adulterous sleaze and “bad boy.” In the 1950’s and 1960’s people did tend to think that consent was implied if a man was alone with a woman he wasn’t related to and she didn’t physically resist.I'm pretty sure this is the real reason that older MRAs are MRAs; the sleazy shit they used to be able to get away with is now considered (correctly) to be rape. |
2015-07-30T21:23:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/30/bill-cosbys-deposition-shows-he-loves-beautiful-women-and-they-love-him-right-back-explains-a-voice-for-men-writer/comment-page-1/#comment-792735 |
Tilikum, we all look forward to your documentary.Might I suggest you procure the assistance of one Davis Aurini? He is said -- by himself at least -- to be a very talented young director with considerable experience in, well, not filmmaking, but he's probably got some sort of experience. Anyway, what I'm really trying to say to you is goodbye. |
2015-07-29T07:29:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/28/donald-trump-not-guilty-of-rape-by-reason-of-polling-better-than-jeb-bush/comment-page-3/#comment-792299 |
wwth, that Trump piece is astonishing. Not only did I not know about the allegations, but the lawyer's response (including all the threats and blustering) is, wow. | 2015-07-28T05:38:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/27/hey-cosby-defenders-look-these-women-in-the-face-and-tell-me-theyre-lying-all-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-791891 |
Katz, they sold no tickets? I distinctly remember reading several tweets from real feminists saying that they had just bought tickets .... oh wait, never mind. | 2015-07-28T03:35:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/27/tweets-from-totally-real-feminists-supporting-femcon2015-a-totally-real-conference-and-not-a-4chan-scam/comment-page-2/#comment-791874 |
Uh, yeah, that up there would be what I was talking about when I put this bit in the comments policy:
"Don’t attack anyone for their sexual preferences or kinks, so long as they involve consenting adults."
And yes, BDSM is consensual. When it's not, it's not BDSM, it's rape. Just as sex without consent isn't sex but rape.
Also from the comments policy:
"Don’t be a mansplainer or indeed any kind of ‘splainer. That is, don’t lecture anyone on something they know better than you, particularly if that thing is their lived experience."
Telling those into BDSM that they're basically all about replicating abuse, that the men are abusers and the women are brainwashed, etc. is pretty damn 'splainy, as well as being kink-shaming.
There are plenty of things one can criticize about BDSM as it's practiced, and the BDSM community. But if you want to do it here, you need to do it without expressing contempt for those involved in it, and don't throw out a host of generalizations based on ignorance.
And seriously, if you're trying to discuss something with a group of people who know more about the subject than you, and you find yourself announcing
No one has critical thinking skills anymore, and no one knows how to think outside the paradigm.... the problem may not be them. |
2015-07-28T00:10:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/26/did-right-wing-attacks-on-trainwreck-inspire-john-russell-housers-shooting-rampage/comment-page-2/#comment-791836 |
nah, I gotta change the header back to the one with the mammoth. I like it, and the one that's there now is the generic one for this wordpress theme. which means lots of other people use it. and I can't have that! I gotta maintain the mammoth brand! marci-- yes it is. there was a whole genre of these books. I've actually got a bunch I found in used book stores. And some of them have been reprinted by naiad press, a lesbian publisher. these books were sort of stealth lesbian books. I mean, they were obviously ABOUT lesbians, but the main characters invariably return to being straight at the end. But the books were written by lesbian writers and the parts of the books dealing with the lesbian romances are inevitably much more convincing than the "oh but it was only a phase" crap tacked on at the end so the books could actually get published. |
2015-07-27T04:21:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/26/lesbianism-is-a-plot-to-deny-men-sex-with-hot-women-before-they-get-old-red-piller-explains/comment-page-1/#comment-791501 |
Orion explained nicely what I'm trying to do by explicitly mentioning the mental health angle; it's sort of a nod to the fact that, yes, we know about it, but that it's not relevant to the discussion here any more than speculation on the mental health of suicide bombers is relevant to a discussion of terrorism in the middle east. marinerachel, and everyone else, please in the future just link to the comment policy or paste in the appropriate portion of it; if anyone reacts badly to it tell them to email me. I will try to write up a little boilerplate statement for cutting and pasting very soon, but in the meantime just paste some of what's in the comment policy now. I'm going to shut this thread down. If anyone has any further thoughts, just email me. I will be making some clarifications to the policy, along the lines I've already suggested in this thread, but until then just follow what's there now. Let's see if the new policy works before opening up another giant debate again. |
2015-07-27T02:47:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-7/#comment-791477 |
Aak! I don't know what's going on with the header. The banner with the mammoth isn't showing up for some reason and it's just running text. I've reuploaded the banner and it looks as though it's loaded on my dashboard, but then doesn't show up on the site. And I've re-uploaded a completely black image for the background and that's not showing up either. Hopefully this glitch will fix itself. Ugh. | 2015-07-27T02:23:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/26/lesbianism-is-a-plot-to-deny-men-sex-with-hot-women-before-they-get-old-red-piller-explains/comment-page-1/#comment-791469 |
Lady Mondegreen, here's how one of the commenters on youtube "explained" it:
CrunchySammich 1 month ago +F Mar My answer is men are biologically programmed to seek women, women aren't biologically programmed to seek many men. They're supposed to stick to 1 man because being with many men makes her look low class and trashy, not to mention it's completely anti-family and unlady-like. |
2015-07-26T10:17:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/26/did-right-wing-attacks-on-trainwreck-inspire-john-russell-housers-shooting-rampage/comment-page-1/#comment-791217 |
It's clear that Houser planned this and had made preparations to escape and avoid capture, which fell apart when he encountered the police, who were very quick getting to the theater. But I'm not sure his crossing state lines was connected to this. It might have been, but then it would have made more sense to go to Lafayette very close to the date of the shooting. In fact, he had been there for several weeks, and not really keeping a low profile. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/in-his-final-days-the-lafayette-shooter-was-fitful-and-acting-strange/2015/07/25/9bc1563a-32ee-11e5-8353-1215475949f4_story.html |
2015-07-26T10:00:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/24/angry-misogynist-murders-women-at-showing-of-film-by-feminist-comedian-police-worry-we-may-not-find-a-motive/comment-page-4/#comment-791209 |
"Manic depression is the same thing as bipolar disorder" Yeah, I meant to add a remark about that; I went ahead and did that. Tony, I may write about that in a different post; MRAs/PUAs often go on about how "no women ever risk their lives for anyone else." I'm sort of expecting one of these guys to write about this and say that this is the exception that proves the rule, or something. |
2015-07-24T19:58:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/24/angry-misogynist-murders-women-at-showing-of-film-by-feminist-comedian-police-worry-we-may-not-find-a-motive/comment-page-1/#comment-790562 |
Who are these people? What are they like in the real world; are they more articulate, conform to social norms, indistinguishable from any other average citizen or are they easily recognized as complete imbeciles the moment they open their mouths?This is the question I've been asking myself every day ever since I started this blog. |
2015-07-24T09:03:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/24/internet-nazis-plan-to-take-down-sjws-by-pretending-to-be-mexican-trannies-on-tumblr-if-they-can-stop-fighting-each-other-first/comment-page-1/#comment-790287 |
This thread is open again. At this point I'm thinking it's not worth going over the past any more; let's focus on ways to make things work better in the future. |
2015-07-23T21:41:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-7/#comment-790091 |
Ugh. Another shooting in a movie theater. 2 dead, 8 injured, and the shooter apparently killed himself, though it's not clear if he's being counted as one of the 2. Apparently by an "older white male," 20 minutes into a screening of Trainwreck, the Amy Schumer comedy. http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/07/23/lafayette-louisiana-shooting-trainwreck-movie-theater-shooter-dead-victims/ MSNBC says there are reports the guy was chasing after a woman, but that's not confirmed. |
2015-07-23T21:38:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/21/open-thread-for-non-personal-stuff-late-july-2015-splashy-splashy-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-790090 |
Which means that yes Kirby you got them all. Well, most. While sperm whales can hold their breath for 90 ,minutes, other whales and dolphins can only hold their breath for 20 minutes, according to what I've read. | 2015-07-23T21:10:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/23/news-quiz-what-is-the-one-thing-american-women-are-good-for-according-to-return-of-kings/comment-page-1/#comment-790073 |
Woah, cool starfish. Apparently earthworms can't actually regenerate into 2 worms; only the front half can. But flatworms can regenerate from slivers of flatworms. |
2015-07-23T21:07:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/23/news-quiz-what-is-the-one-thing-american-women-are-good-for-according-to-return-of-kings/comment-page-1/#comment-790072 |
I'm caught up with this thread again, but not thinking coherently enough to address everything. At this point I'm not sure how much more hashing out we need to do, or that's productive to do; there's just no way we're all going to come to a consensus on all these issues. But I think there's one thing I can do that I think everyone can support: i'll write up a brief guide for new commenters, either as part of the comments policy or (more likely) on a separate page, highlighting the "welcome package," telling people not to be discouraged if no one notices their first comment (in part because threads tend to move pretty fast), suggesting that people introduce themselves. And maybe some more helpful hints and a few notes on what they can expect here. I'm actually heading off to sleep now (yes, my schedule is very weird, and ever changing; I think I may have been born on a planet where days are 28 hours long), so I'm going to close this thread for now; hopefully we can hash out anything else that needs to be hashed out this afternoon and evening. (Or at least hash out as much as can be hashed out.) Thanks to everyone for taking part in this; I know it wasn't a particularly pleasant experience, but I'm learning a lot from it regardless (both from people I agree with and people I don't agree with) and I hope most of you are as well. |
2015-07-23T09:26:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-7/#comment-789719 |
It's pretty clear that HTBS' last comment got ninjaed by mine, so I won't ban him for that, but no more for at least a few days, dude. If you return, try to be a little less annoying. | 2015-07-22T21:20:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-6/#comment-789441 |
(Note, just to be completely clear, my sarcasm at the start of that last comment was directed entirely at HTBS.) | 2015-07-22T21:14:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-6/#comment-789434 |
Sorry, everyone, I didn't realize my mistake. From now on we'll be following Wikipedia's example on everything. Does anyone here know how to get wordpress to post a giant picture of Jimmy Wales begging for money atop every page? Or, wait, maybe we should handle disagreements the way these guys do, by putting on feather tuxedos and flapping our arms around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SimMH3Q6zLw I don't know, maybe we should look at another example of how something very different than this blog handles arguments HTBS, as fibinachi has already pointed out, this blog handles comments differently than a lot of blogs ON PURPOSE. This blog is about mocking misogyny. Misogynists who come here looking for a fight should probably expect to be mocked (and oftentimes rebutted in great detail as well). Why would they expect to be treated any differently than the way I treat them in my posts? And why would I ban the regular commenters for doing the same things I do in my posts? Given that most of the trolls are in direct violation of one or more of the site's rules, I could just never let any of their comments through; that's what a lot of blogs do. But the commenters here generally enjoy battling with trolls, so I let them through, banning them only when they get abusive and/or tedious. If the trolls don't like this policy, they could always, you know, go somewhere else. It's a big internet. I don't run the comment section for the trolls. I run it for the people who are here on good faith and who generally support the aims of the blog. It's not a "free speech zone." It's a private party. I started off this blog by letting trolls pretty much post whatever they wanted. Pretty much all of them ended up acting like abusive assholes. HTBS, unlike a lot of the commenters here. I don't think you're a troll. And I don't think you're wrong about everything. But you are argumentative and accusatory and one of the splainiest splainers I've run across in a long long time and I'm thinking you need to take a break from this site for at least a few days so the rest of us can sort out the issues in peace. So take a break or I'll ban you. |
2015-07-22T21:11:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-6/#comment-789430 |
I agree wholeheartedly with Katz here. In fact, I'm going to adopt that as official policy. Let's hash this out here and then move on. I'm also thinking that "deluded" is indeed preferable to "delusional" when talking about people, at least in most circumstances. It's probably not worth banning "delusional" to refer to people but certainly it wouldn't be remiss to point out to people who use "delusional" that "deluded" is generally a better alternative. A quick googling of "querulous paranoia" suggests it's generally being used as a diagnosis, so let's avoid it. If someone is, say, a "vexatious litigant" or "vexatious pesterer of police" let's just call them that. And there are certainly are some of those amongst the MRAs. |
2015-07-22T18:25:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-6/#comment-789330 |
Hey, all; I'm back and opening up the comment policy thread again. I hadn't heard the Louis CK shit. So depressing. Now off to see what's up with Dean Esmay. |
2015-07-22T16:49:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/22/larry-wilmores-brilliant-takedown-bill-cosby-says-the-darndest-things/comment-page-1/#comment-789273 |
Hey, all; I'm back and opening up the comment policy thread again. | 2015-07-22T16:45:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/21/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-late-july-2015-kitten-hug-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-789270 |
Hey, all; I'm back and opening up the comment policy thread again. | 2015-07-22T16:44:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/21/open-thread-for-non-personal-stuff-late-july-2015-splashy-splashy-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-789269 |
Sorry I wasn't able to get back to this earlier; obviously this thread has gotten fairly contentious, as I was afraid it would.
Reading through the comments here it became clear to me that in an attempt to keep the comment policy from getting longer than it already was, I left out a rather important point, and one that contributes to a lot of the enmity in this thread, as well as to the radically different perceptions different people have of the relative “meanness” or cliquishness of a good number of the regular commenters here.
I also should have been clearer about some of what the new rules are intended to combat.
The thing I left out, or at least didn't adequately address, is something you all know: There are two different types of commenters on this blog.
There are the MRAs/trolls/whatever you want to call them, and everybody else, and the rules are different for each group.
I allow MRAs/trolls to comment here largely for their entertainment value. I let their comments through – or at least the comments of some of them – even though they often violate some of the rules that everyone else is expected to follow. That is, I let their comments through despite the fact that they are usually misogynistic, often racist, etc etc. I let them say stuff that would get other people banned.
The flip side of this is that the rules against namecalling, etc, don't apply to them either; the regulars here can mock them pretty much as mercilessly as they want, gang up on them, invent silly names for them and the sort. And I can ban the trolls for any reason I want without warning.
Trouble is, it's not always immediately obvious whether someone is a troll or an MRA.
And unfortunately, I have to say, some of the regulars are a bit too quick to label people trolls and/or MRAs – and to treat them accordingly. To some degree this is understandable: this site gets a lot of trolls, many of whom pretend to be here in good faith only to later start spewing hateful abusive shit.
But this also means that people who aren't trolls end up getting labeled trolls very quickly, and treated as harshly as they would be if they were trolls. This often happens with people who start off on the wrong foot – sometimes because they say something that is misunderstood, or because they use language that the folks here have decided is unacceptable.
Oftentimes the issue is ableism, or at least the usage of language that some people think is unacceptably ableist – e.g. “crazy.”
I say “some people think” because there is no consensus, even amongst those who themselves are dealing with mental illness, that terms like “crazy” should be forbidden. Indeed, in my experience, those who think that “crazy” should be off-limits make up a small minority of this group; I know lots of people who have dealt with or are dealing with mental illness who use the word all the time.
(Did anyone here ever make use of the site Crazy Meds? It was a place where people could discuss their own experiences with the meds they'd been prescribed for their mental illnesses; it was set up by someone who labeled themselves as "crazy.")
Earlier today, I got a message from someone who told me:
The word crazy isn't really ableist, while calling someone paranoid or delusional is way more ableist. I'm disabled (physically, as well as having PTSD among other things), and the word crazy (and others like it, e.g. "stupid") aren't really ever used against us in settings that are harmful. "Delusional," on the other hand, is relatively fucked up for people who do suffer from delusions.Should I ban “delusional” instead of “crazy?” I don't think so. Most people who are delusional – whether about feminism or the prospects for their favorite sports team – aren't mentally ill; they just have “false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.” Still, I have been convinced that “crazy” is different. And since giving up this word (and a few others like it) is really not an onerous burden, as marinerachel noted earlier, I've gone along with the requests to make it off-limits in the comments here. But what this means is that lots of not-trolls come here, unaware of the rules (not everyone reads comments policies before commenting;) and use “crazy” or some similar term. And then they get a number of people jumping on them for it, sometimes in a fairly nasty way. They get defensive, often because they've never encountered someone getting angry about the word “crazy” before and sometimes say something obnoxious back, and end up getting chased away. Even though they might agree with 95% of what this blog is about. And no I'm not going to post evidence of this, because everyone here knows that this has happened. The new comment policy is designed to make the prohibition on “crazy” and the like more clear. But it is also intended to end pile-ons. We don't need ten people telling them how bad what they did was, because what they did IS ALREADY AGAINST THE RULES. Is there a danger that the offender will keep on saying offensive stuff and no one will now be allowed to reply to them until I get around to banning the offender? I suppose. But the fact is that people replying to the offender won't stop them from being offensive either, and it will still take the same amount of time for them to be banned. Now, I should emphasize that all this applies to people who use inappropriate language, who insist on making internet diagnoses, etc. If someone comes along and says “we need to lock up all the crazy people and throw away the key,” or “mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed to have kids” or something else equally horrible and bigoted, go ahead and flame away at them to your heart's content. Sometimes a new person gets off on the wrong foot for other reasons. KL got off on the wrong foot by making a somewhat ambiguously worded comment that some seem to have misread as dismissing racism in the south. Having just read through some of that thread, I have to say it's a bit surreal. Some folks demand that KL offer proof of the allegedly “bizarre” claim that Chicago is the most segregated city in the country (which is, in fact, true); KL offers proof, yet people keep on demanding proof. KL came here, to a thread on the Charleston shootings, to make the point that racism is a problem in the north as well as the south, something that everyone here presumably agrees with, but still ended up getting treated much the same way we treat trolls. Yes, KL reacted by saying some intemperate things but didn't deserve all that hostility. This is, I think, genuinely cliquish behavior, and to those who encounter it as an outsider it can seem very hostile and, yes, mean. (I'll save my thoughts on Had to Be Said for later, though I'm not convinced they're a troll either.) Now, I don't want to get in the way of good troll smackdown; real trolls deserve it. But I don't want everyone who uses the wrong word or says something that seems a little off to be labeled a troll. I want people who aren't trolls, but who may start off on the wrong foot, to be given the chance to redeem themselves, without being treated as if they're some asshole who's wandered over here from the bowels of Roosh's forums. When you deliver a troll smackdown to someone who's not a troll, it's a sort the internet version of friendly fire. And I really, really want us to try to avoid that. I'm hoping that a more standardized way to deal with the “crazy” will help. But I'm also asking you all to be more careful about the people you label and treat as trolls or MRAs, because there have been too many false positives of late. Look, you're an amazing bunch of commenters, and I'm honored that you've decided to make this blog one of your hangouts. You're funny, smart, and you know all sorts of shit; I'm amazed at how much I've learned just from reading the comments here. You're compassionate people, and you've rallied together to help a lot of people going through rough times. I just think that, collectively, you've got a bit of a hair trigger on the “troll” issue, and that this can drive away decent people who could really contribute a lot to the comments here. I will be making some revisions to the comments policy in the next few days to try to more clearly distinguish between appropriate behavior towards trolls and towards people who aren't trolls, and to get across some of what I've been talking about here better. I will also add some boilerplate language that you can cut and paste into the comments when someone breaks the rules. My schedule is weird, and I'm about to go to bed, and I don't want this thread getting any more fraught while I'm unable to moderate it, so I'm going to temporarily close these comments until I'm back online and able to monitor the thread as it develops. I'm going to ask you not to take any of this to any other thread in the meantime (and will ban or at least temporarily suspend anyone who does). I do think we can work through this stuff and make the comments here a better place for everyone but the genuine trolls. |
2015-07-22T08:08:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-5/#comment-789012 |
(Hey, everyone, I've been offline for a while and haven't caught up here; will post more once I have.) | 2015-07-21T18:10:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-4/#comment-788627 |
msexceptiontotherule, it's Canada, so don't they use RCMPFIDs? | 2015-07-21T04:46:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/petition-to-keep-sleazeball-pua-roosh-v-out-of-canada-as-a-disseminator-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-788219 |
Glad the rules look good to you all! A couple of answers to some questions raised: On thread closures, I've only closed one thread ever (I think, maybe two?), and will only use it as a sort of last resort; I just want people to know that it is a possibility if a discussion gets particularly sour. What will more likely happen is that I will informally ban discussion of particular off-topic topics within threads in cases where the discussion has gotten really unproductive; I've done this a few times in the past and generally most people were glad to move on. I will probably do this a bit more in the future. If the off-topic topic IS something we need to hash out, I'll open a new thread for it. On piling on, obviously Ninjaed comments don't count, even though to the person being criticized it may seem like piling on. Piling on is sort of hard to define exactly; it depends on a lot of things. If 10 people are all saying the same thing to one person who disagrees, and are being kind of rude about it, that's obviously piling on, but it's not always quite that obvious. Nor does it require 10 people. Even three comments, if they're sufficiently blunt, can feel like piling on. In situations where someone is clearly outnumbered, or a bunch of people have said similar things to someone, maybe think twice about adding to that. Temporary suspensions for non-trolls will also be a last resort sort of thing; there will generally be warnings first. On "stupid," I'm hesitant to ban it because it's a useful word with a lot of meanings and a lot of different connotations that don't have anything to do with IQ; it can mean or "annoying" ("stupid sexy Flanders!") or indicate something someone does that's careless or lacking in common sense or done without thinking things through, regardless of that person's intelligence, like when I stupidly locked myself out of my apartment the other day and had to climb in through the window I do sometimes use the word "obtuse" instead, as it better captures the stubbornness of some of the people I write about. But "lame" is a word I think we can all agree not to use. On the question of timely enforcement, well, it's true that it can take a little while for me to get to things, but this can be greatly speeded up if you send me an email, either directly or via the mod email. Sometimes I can get on it right away, sometimes it will take some hours, but it definitely won't take days. If no one emails me, I may not get to it until I can catch up on the comments, and it could take more than a day. I do hope to add more mods at some point in the not-too-distant future. I will also try to come up with ways to make clear to new commenters that they need to read the comments policy -- like notes at the end of posts. |
2015-07-21T04:37:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-788213 |
I've revised the comments policy, rather radically. Discuss in this thread: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/ |
2015-07-21T03:16:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/comments-policy/comment-page-7/#comment-788191 |
andiexist, "don't argue back" doesn't apply to troll-mocking. Talking shit about MRAs, etc,, always fine. | 2015-07-20T23:55:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-788064 |
I've just put up the new comment policy (and a bit of an explanation of it) in a new post: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/20/new-comment-policy/ So, please take all discussions of the comments policy, ableism and so on to that thread. This thread will remain open for discussions of Janet Bloomfield, kitties, and other topics not related to the comments policy and/or ableism. |
2015-07-20T23:36:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/18/mra-judgybitch-give-me-money-for-a-crossbow-so-i-can-shoot-feminists-in-the-face/comment-page-6/#comment-788053 |
Orion, thanks. I'll experiment with that. | 2015-07-19T23:51:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/18/reddits-plan-to-contain-hate-is-so-ass-backwards-that-reddit-bigots-are-begging-to-be-contained/comment-page-2/#comment-787586 |
In case anyone is wondering about the Snake Island pictured in the OP, the Discovery Channel is running a documentary about it RIGHT NOW. At least where I live. | 2015-07-19T22:19:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/16/reddit-to-white-supremacists-and-other-bigots-well-host-your-forums-at-our-expense/comment-page-2/#comment-787539 |
I don't think it's appropriate to call the police on JB in this instance; her comments are certainly creepy as fuck but she is talking about self-defense and has not threatened anyone in particular. If someone did in fact come at her with an ax (one of her scenarios), she would be justified in shooting them in self-defense. If she starts talking about going out and finding feminists to shoot I think that would be different. Or if she returned again to harassing individuals as she has in the past. Reporting her to Patreon, on the other hand, is completely appropriate, as what she is doing is in clear violation of their policies. On the other issue here, I will try to post the revised comments policy later tonight or tomorrow. And I will make more of a point of trying to get people to read it before posting. |
2015-07-19T18:27:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/18/mra-judgybitch-give-me-money-for-a-crossbow-so-i-can-shoot-feminists-in-the-face/comment-page-4/#comment-787457 |
sunnysombrera, yeah, I thought about putting something in the policy about the tendency of people to see mass killers as "crazy" because that's one of the ways that sort of language/"analysis" is most pernicious, but I think you're right that it would be better to put something about that as a note at the end of posts on things like that that are very likely to draw comments along those lines. | 2015-07-19T06:15:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/18/mra-judgybitch-give-me-money-for-a-crossbow-so-i-can-shoot-feminists-in-the-face/comment-page-3/#comment-787236 |
I guess I really need to stop shillyshallying and put up the revised comments policy, which I've been working on of and on for some time now.
I'm hoping that once I put the new policy up, with much more specific guidelines on the use of terminology like "crazy" and some other things that it will be easier for commenters here to point to it and say, this is the policy, please follow it.
But the reason it's taken so long is that it's difficult to come up with a policy that balances the completely reasonable desires of most people here to have comments sections free of stigmatizing language with the fact that, well, almost everyone in the world outside of certain comment sections on the internet uses terms like "crazy" all the time.
I've been dealing with depression and anxiety and other issues for decades now. I know (or have known) numerous people IRL who have dealt with mental illness of all kinds and all different levels of severity. People dealing with depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder. People dealing with eating disorders.
But here's the thing. Of all the people I know in real life dealing with these issues, none of them (including myself) are personally bothered when people use words like "crazy" or "insane" colloquially. Most of them use the word "crazy" themselves, often quite a lot. "That was a crazy movie we just watched." "Your cat is acting crazy."
None of these people are bad people. None of these people are evil. Most of them are the sorts of people I like to have reading and commenting on this blog.
Now, the consensus of the commenters here is that we should avoid this sort of language, for reasons we're all familiar with, and I've put that in the rules here.
I'm committed to that. But the fact is that many of those who come here to comment for the first time are used to using the terms colloquially,and some of them -- who are not assholes or evil -- use them in their comments.
What I would like to happen -- ideally -- is for people here to gently remind them of the rules, without attacking them. I would like the newbies to read these rules, and agree to go along with them. And then for the conversation to move on.
In order for this to happen, obviously, I need to get the more specific rules up, and I will do that sometime in the next couple of days.
Here's what I have so far, at least on these issues. (There are plenty of other rules dealing with other issues as well.)
Avoid “crazy” talk. That is, using words like “crazy,” “psycho” and the like to describe the terrible ideas and actions of people you don't like. It's stigmatizing to those dealing with mental illness, who really don't need the extra indignity of being compared to MRAs. Try using words like “ridiculous” or “absurd” or “terrible” instead. Try to avoid internet diagnoses of mental illness, and don't use autism or Aspergers as an excuse for someone's shitty behavior. Saying someone is “paranoid,” “delusional,” or “narcissistic” is fine; these are words that have meanings apart from the psychiatric diagnoses that include them. If there is evidence that someone you are discussing does indeed have a mental illness, and this is relevant to the discussion, it can be appropriate to bring this up. That said, words like “crazy,” “psycho,” and the like are extremely common, and plenty of people use them without intending to stigmatize those with mental illnesses. If you're someone who uses these terms, it doesn't make you an evil person, but please try to refrain from this kind of language in the comments here. ... Don't participate in pile-ons. If several people have already made the point you want to make, there's really no need to add another comment to the pile. These sorts of pile-ons can and often do derail more interesting conversations.The policy will also contain this rule as well to deal with those who dig in their heels: Don't argue the rules. You're certainly not required to agree with all of the rules here but if you want to comment here you are expected to follow them. And don't waste anyone's time arguing about them. (If you really, really disagree with an aspect of the rules, don't derail a comment thread to talk about it; send a note to me.)The one place it WILL be appropriate to argue about the rules is in the comments to the post I make announcing the new rules. I'm hoping that having more clarity in the rules can make a lot of these sorts of discussions unnecessary. I don't want people to have to be perfect to comment here. I don't want them to have to take a quiz first. I want the blog to be open to political newbies who are basically on the right side even if they may not understand all these sorts of issues perfectly. If they're truly not willing to learn or adapt or follow the rules then they don't belong here. But that really can't be determined by a comment or two. |
2015-07-19T05:07:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/18/mra-judgybitch-give-me-money-for-a-crossbow-so-i-can-shoot-feminists-in-the-face/comment-page-3/#comment-787227 |
Nicolama -- Might I suggest: https://www.youtube.com/user/DrSandraLee I think you will enjoy it. In other news, turns out Mr.GetitGoing is the author of this fine RoK post: http://www.returnofkings.com/27913/6-reasons-why-fat-women-are-defective So probably not worth bothering with. |
2015-07-18T05:48:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/17/repellant-pickup-artist-roosh-v-is-giving-a-talk-in-new-york-tomorrow-heres-what-to-expect/comment-page-2/#comment-786717 |
Yikes. I didn't realize the effect those deep dream pics were having. Sorry! I'll stop posting them. | 2015-07-17T22:51:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/17/repellant-pickup-artist-roosh-v-is-giving-a-talk-in-new-york-tomorrow-heres-what-to-expect/comment-page-2/#comment-786606 |
Mij, yes. | 2015-07-17T15:38:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/17/repellant-pickup-artist-roosh-v-is-giving-a-talk-in-new-york-tomorrow-heres-what-to-expect/comment-page-1/#comment-786463 |
(Added the bit about the "unattractive feminists" to the post.) | 2015-07-17T15:31:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/17/repellant-pickup-artist-roosh-v-is-giving-a-talk-in-new-york-tomorrow-heres-what-to-expect/comment-page-1/#comment-786456 |
On the reservations page, there's a map showing that it's taking place ... somewhere in the vicinity of Times Square, give or take a few blocks. On that page he explains he's keeping the venue secret until the last minute "to prevent unattractive feminists from petitioning the event." | 2015-07-17T15:25:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/17/repellant-pickup-artist-roosh-v-is-giving-a-talk-in-new-york-tomorrow-heres-what-to-expect/comment-page-1/#comment-786451 |
SFHC, applause! Tabby, the trick to getting truly warped deep dreams is to run your results back through the deep dream filter (or various deep dream filters) numerous times. The site I use is really quick with the results, so it's only mildly tedious. At least if you're sort of addicted to deep dream. |
2015-07-17T13:04:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/17/deep-dream-reveals-the-shocking-truth-about-donald-trumps-hair/comment-page-1/#comment-786384 |
Also, I listened to that Aurini and Matt Forney last night. It was 45 minutes of really vicious character assassination and internet diagnoses; Forney repeated his claim that Owen is an Elliot Rodger waiting to happen. Aurini explained that no one should ever trust a "guy who can't get laid." Both Aurini and Forney are really abusive little shits; though that's not exactly news, their nastiness in that podcast is still a little shocking. | 2015-07-17T10:53:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/17/deep-dream-reveals-the-shocking-truth-about-donald-trumps-hair/comment-page-1/#comment-786335 |
For all those concerned, this will be my last Deep Dream post, (Well, unless I come up with some other super kewl idea for one. But honestly the "turning everything into slubdogs" thing is losing some of its novelty for me, and obviously its worn out its welcome with a lot of you all.) I cannot guarantee that I won't use deepdream to enhance a pic of some manosphere dude I'm writing about, though probably in a much more subtle and less dog-filled manner |
2015-07-17T10:46:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/17/deep-dream-reveals-the-shocking-truth-about-donald-trumps-hair/comment-page-1/#comment-786332 |
Deep dream can be trained on any set of pics. The filter they made public was trained on a set of pics full of eyes and dogs. I've been using a site that uses that filter and a few others that are similarly weird and psychedelic. People running the software on their own computers can train it on their own pics. It's object recognition software being used in a deliberately "wrong" way. I've got one more silly deep dream post in the works, but Im not turning this into a deep dream blog or anything. |
2015-07-16T15:04:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/16/starting-monday-google-will-be-replacing-street-view-with-deep-dream-view/comment-page-1/#comment-785999 |
The penultimate pic in my post (blue background) started out as the original "weasels ripped my flesh" magazine cover Zappa was referencing, though the "weasels ripped my flesh" cover line in the lower right corner is blurred out. I improved a pic of a friend's cats! https://dreamscopeapp.com/i/9ZVGu86dRf |
2015-07-15T14:25:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/14/deep-dream-makes-these-awesomely-ridiculous-vintage-mens-magazine-covers-even-more-awesomely-ridiculous/comment-page-2/#comment-785446 |
I finished watching it. Even worse than I expected; I added some quick thoughts to the post. | 2015-07-15T11:31:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/15/oh-glorious-day-davis-aurini-has-released-a-rough-draft-preview-of-the-sarkeesian-effect-team-aurini-version/comment-page-1/#comment-785372 |
chimpmania is horrendous, yikes. I've written a couple of posts about the antifeminist tech one; he comes out with bizarre stuff periodically. oh, and I ran that elam one through a couple more filters https://dreamscopeapp.com/i/907029 |
2015-07-14T22:58:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/14/deep-dream-makes-these-awesomely-ridiculous-vintage-mens-magazine-covers-even-more-awesomely-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-785136 |
Dog bites mandelbrot? Katz, use the link in this post; the site I'm using gets results back to you in 10-30 seconds, and you can use your choice of filters. (On all mine, I ran the images through several different filters, often more than once per filter.) Pandapool, I'm also a fan of Monkeybone. It has problems, obviously, but the good stuff in it is great. Chris Kattan is hilarious. skiriki, yes, you can do all of that. See Reddit's deep dream subreddit for instructions on how to install on your system. My brother (Alpha von Carousel) has been doing some using his own image databases. |
2015-07-14T20:14:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/14/deep-dream-makes-these-awesomely-ridiculous-vintage-mens-magazine-covers-even-more-awesomely-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-785082 |
Katz, yep, it was Pro Patria. And I have granted him his wish to be banned, for his own good and ours. | 2015-07-14T04:42:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/13/new-mens-rights-conspiracy-theory-replaces-the-illuminati-with-teen-vogue/comment-page-1/#comment-784834 |
had to be said, fwiw, that's a futon couch, not my bed. Hey, it works for me (and the cats). Admittedly, my bed is also a futon (or, rather, a futon on top of a futon), but that's because I genuinely find futons more comfortable than regular mattresses/box springs. So sue me. I have nothing against the Going Their Own Way part of Men Going Their Own Way. It's the misogyny I'm not so fond of. I mean, even this way the dude presented this pic of his bedroom is misogynistic. It's not, "hey here's how I live, I like it, it works for me," which is a perfectly reasonable sentiment. But no, essentially this guy is saying "ha ha married people are suckers, I can afford a giant TV and this motorcycle, why would I ever want to share a bed with an icky woman." And the rest of the guys there are cheering on his misogyny. |
2015-07-13T14:57:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/13/an-air-mattress-a-motorcycle-and-a-flat-screen-tv-living-the-dream-mgtow-style/comment-page-1/#comment-784486 |
Mad Cow, it's time for you to take a break. You've made your points, at great length, over the course of several threads. Go post elsewhere for a while. Or, I dunno, go for a walk. | 2015-07-11T17:11:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/09/does-the-new-facebook-friends-icon-prove-that-feminists-are-man-hating-female-supremacists-one-lady-mra-says-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-783778 |
Did anyone guess Pro Patria Truthteller for the troll? That's who it is; he had various other pseudonyms after that one.I can ban him again if you all think he's gotten boring. | 2015-07-08T03:26:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/06/is-revenge-porn-the-fault-of-feminism-return-of-kings-douchebags-say-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-782222 |
Most unlikely cultural marxists ever! https://twitter.com/genophilia/status/618435148296491013 |
2015-07-07T14:56:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/07/whos-afraid-of-cultural-marxism-nazis-mostly-as-this-roundup-of-terrible-memes-reveals/comment-page-1/#comment-781911 |
Ok, so, like, what if these pictures reveal what is really going on in the world but that we can't see. Like, every cat is actually a five-headed, nineteen-legged dog, and there are little cities in the walls. | 2015-07-07T14:04:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/07/face-in-a-cloud-how-ideologues-are-like-googles-deep-dream-neural-networks/comment-page-1/#comment-781889 |
Now I want to start a hotdog stand called The Frankfurt School. | 2015-07-07T09:15:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/07/whos-afraid-of-cultural-marxism-nazis-mostly-as-this-roundup-of-terrible-memes-reveals/comment-page-1/#comment-781705 |
Nap, that's about as accurate as their summary of what the Frankfurt School did. Those dudes said nothing about "multiculturalism" or "gender mainstreaming." | 2015-07-07T09:13:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/07/whos-afraid-of-cultural-marxism-nazis-mostly-as-this-roundup-of-terrible-memes-reveals/comment-page-1/#comment-781704 |
not woody. this person likes posting weird religion-related trollery. much like the stuff he posted today. | 2015-07-07T04:31:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/06/is-revenge-porn-the-fault-of-feminism-return-of-kings-douchebags-say-yes/comment-page-2/#comment-781627 |
fruitloopsie, not sure who you mean, but this person did talk a bunch about abortion, so you may be thinking of the right person. | 2015-07-07T04:19:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/06/is-revenge-porn-the-fault-of-feminism-return-of-kings-douchebags-say-yes/comment-page-2/#comment-781623 |
wwth, this is someone that a somee people thought was Pell (and/or MRAL), but who denied it, and who I think probably wasn't Pell. So it was someone more recent than Pell. This person had a bunch of aliases but is best know for one of them. |
2015-07-07T04:17:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/06/is-revenge-porn-the-fault-of-feminism-return-of-kings-douchebags-say-yes/comment-page-2/#comment-781619 |
Ah ha ha ha ha! Oh, Stranded, you had me going for a little while. I'll give you points for that. I'll let you keep posting until someone is able to correctly identify which returning troll you are. |
2015-07-07T04:03:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/06/is-revenge-porn-the-fault-of-feminism-return-of-kings-douchebags-say-yes/comment-page-2/#comment-781607 |
Viscaria, I'm pretty sure "Cultural Marxism" means "the Evil Jews But We've Learned We Can't Just Say That Publicly Outside of 4chan and Stormfront Without People Realizing We're Basically Nazis." I suppose it's possible that some people who use the term don't realize how how loaded it is, but, you know, they should probably spend five minutes googling it. A google image search is particularly instructive. https://www.google.com/search?q=cultural+marxism&num=100&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMIwrmgrrbIxgIV0CqICh135go8&biw=1281&bih=632 |
2015-07-07T01:49:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/06/is-revenge-porn-the-fault-of-feminism-return-of-kings-douchebags-say-yes/comment-page-2/#comment-781535 |
I've debunked some of those quotes before. That long Marilyn French quote with the ellipses in it is especially disingenuous. The truncated quote suggests that she thinks all men are either rapists, or woman beaters, or woman killers or child molesters (if not more than one of these things). In fact, her list also includes things like paying women less than men, failing to pay child support, and disrespecting them at work or at home. And yeah, there are a lot of men who do at least one of those things. http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/05/a-voice-for-male-students-misquotation-schmishquotation/ |
2015-07-07T01:40:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/06/mra-peter-nolan-killing-women-is-the-only-path-to-justice-for-men-now/comment-page-2/#comment-781531 |
Note to self: Never go out drinking with Arthur Rimbaud. | 2015-07-06T23:53:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/06/is-revenge-porn-the-fault-of-feminism-return-of-kings-douchebags-say-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-781501 |
"Don't act like complete asshats in public because FUTRELLE might notice!" That's never stopped any of them before and never will. They can't help themselves! Also, speaking of people acting like complete asshats in public, I strongly recommend that if you need something to listen to for an hour while cleaning grout or something, click on that Skeptics and Believers video Mari posted on the last page of the comments; it's Mr. Aurini being a pompous twit and talking shit about Owen and it is GOLDEN. |
2015-07-06T04:18:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/04/sarkeesian-effect-duo-split-again-aurini-demands-another-15000-owen-disowns-him/comment-page-3/#comment-781093 |
Auntie, I don't think Owen has reformed. He put out a video just recently in the wake of John Oliver's segment on online harassment "explaining" in great detail to Oliver that Sarkeesian wasn't a real victim but a fake victim for money, etc. The whole video had a really nasty tone to it. | 2015-07-04T21:01:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/04/sarkeesian-effect-duo-split-again-aurini-demands-another-15000-owen-disowns-him/comment-page-1/#comment-780591 |
ha, I didn't even notice the infiltrator in that one. another interspecies picnic: http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/8a0530d64d5e7da8de893602477a796a/http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/reelkarma/RCNS.jpg |
2015-07-04T19:21:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/04/july-4th-cat-bbq-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-780552 |
Some more picnicking cats: http://cathyunruh.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Cats-on-picnic-table1.jpg http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/queerbychoice/218786/1169348/1169348_original.jpg http://www.vivaboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/barbeque-cat-kitten-food-picnic-lunch-sneaky-cook-eat-yard-garden.jpg http://img11.deviantart.net/a8df/i/2009/072/5/6/wombat_picnic_by_ironpaw.jpg Wait a minute, I don't think those are cats. |
2015-07-04T18:42:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/04/july-4th-cat-bbq-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-780539 |
I've posted a July 4th open thread, though obviously you all have started celebrating already. | 2015-07-04T18:30:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/03/mra-huckster-paul-elam-is-asking-for-donations-so-he-can-charge-dudes-money-to-talk-to-him/comment-page-2/#comment-780535 |
Hey, Dean has a fan: https://twitter.com/hardcrustysocks/status/617142175231442944 Check out his other tweets to see what sort of fellow this guy is: https://twitter.com/hardcrustysocks |
2015-07-03T23:57:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/02/dean-esmay-mra-and-big-old-white-dude-tells-feminist-women-of-color-theyre-aunt-jemimahs/comment-page-1/#comment-780323 |
skiriki, fixed the link, thanks! | 2015-07-03T08:25:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/03/a-good-portion-of-reddit-has-gone-dark-in-protest-of-site-admins-apparent-firing-of-a-popular-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-780070 |
Congrats, sunnysombrera! I've learned to drive very irresponsibly from GTA. Also that you can survive just fine after driving off cliffs in a taxi. |
2015-07-02T17:35:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/02/red-pill-redditors-prepared-to-take-new-zealand-by-force-using-skills-gained-from-call-of-duty/comment-page-2/#comment-779797 |
OOps. I removed that bit. Thanks. | 2015-07-02T09:13:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/02/dean-esmay-mra-and-big-old-white-dude-tells-feminist-women-of-color-theyre-aunt-jemimahs/comment-page-1/#comment-779552 |
Yikes. John is banned. I'll report him, though the threats were vague enough I doubt it will make a difference, | 2015-07-01T19:11:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/30/it-came-from-the-trash-pile-mgtow-mad-libs-edition/comment-page-6/#comment-779369 |
Miss Andry, boy Deano is really pounding out those tweets today, boldly setting straight all those imaginary people he's addressing. https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/613839437940654081 https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/613839046024933377 Uh, Dean, there's no one there. Maybe it makes sense for him to address imaginary people, given that most of his followers are fake ones, at least according to Twitter audit. He;s also offering highly nuanced critiques of various feminist websites: https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/613848981555146756 https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/613832089570553856 He's even recycling some of the ones I put in my #spankafeminist post. https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/613835019002494976 https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/613836222859862016 https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/613836700448526336 And then there's this. https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/613832964649156609 |
2015-06-24T18:45:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/24/leading-mra-site-a-voice-for-men-continues-to-publish-a-holocaust-denier-and-marital-rape-apologist/comment-page-2/#comment-776429 |
Talukdar looks disconcertingly cheerful in his twitter pic as well, a strange contrast with the terrible content of his tweets. | 2015-06-24T09:10:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/24/leading-mra-site-a-voice-for-men-continues-to-publish-a-holocaust-denier-and-marital-rape-apologist/comment-page-1/#comment-776199 |
POM, you may be right; hard to know which scenario makes Esmay look worse. | 2015-06-24T09:04:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/24/leading-mra-site-a-voice-for-men-continues-to-publish-a-holocaust-denier-and-marital-rape-apologist/comment-page-1/#comment-776195 |
The issue with the SPLC not declaring any of these misogynistic sites as hate groups is largely because they define groups geographically, so anything on the internet -- even when the SPLC does pay attention to it -- doesn't count as a hate group. They actually don't count Stormfront as a hate group either, even though numerous people who've been involved with that site have actually murdered people. They really need to come up with a better way to deal with internet hate. There's no question that AVFM functions as a group, for example. |
2015-06-23T10:52:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/23/dylann-roof-apparently-a-regular-commenter-at-the-daily-stormer-learned-his-hatred-online/comment-page-1/#comment-775743 |
Look who else seems to think that men in specific racial groups own "their women." https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/612952601131249664 |
2015-06-23T09:35:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/23/dylann-roof-apparently-a-regular-commenter-at-the-daily-stormer-learned-his-hatred-online/comment-page-1/#comment-775706 |
Lynn, come on, you can't post that here. I deleted the problematic bits from your comments, And since you doubled down I'm putting you on moderation. | 2015-06-22T14:13:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/22/mra-dean-esmay-elevates-the-discourse-with-new-spankafeminist-hashtag-gratuitous-rape-references/comment-page-1/#comment-775347 |
I've done a post collecting together some of Dean's most inspired contributions to the #SpankAFeminist hashtag. | 2015-06-22T10:05:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/20/if-your-reaction-to-reddits-banning-of-fatpeoplehate-was-were-next-please-examine-your-choices-in-life/comment-page-2/#comment-775244 |
I'm banning Divided Line and making this a no-troll/no-using-Emmett-Till-to-make-an-offensive-dig-at-feminism-while-people-here-are-trying-to-discuss-the-racist-murder-of-9-people thread | 2015-06-19T16:42:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/18/prominent-mra-tries-to-blame-charleston-shooting-on-feminism-and-its-alleged-lies-about-rape-culture/comment-page-4/#comment-774396 |
Thanks again, everyone. I've opened a new thread for discussion of the Charleston church shootings. Just horrible. |
2015-06-18T01:18:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/17/strep-throat-rave-party/comment-page-1/#comment-773367 |
Pandapool, Tieman posted screenshots suggesting that they've only spent $3500 of their total, whch apparently all went to Kopyto. | 2015-06-17T23:32:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/17/the-honey-badger-brigade-has-hired-a-disbarred-lawyer-to-help-them-with-their-case-against-the-calgary-expo/comment-page-1/#comment-773314 |
AVFM talks a lot about the alleged "legal fees" they have had to pay. I wonder if Kopyto is their Canadian "lawyer" and/or if the HBB was sent to him by AVFM. Oh, sorry, I mean, went to him entirely independently of what AVFM might think because there's "no connection" between the HBB and AVFM. | 2015-06-17T23:28:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/17/the-honey-badger-brigade-has-hired-a-disbarred-lawyer-to-help-them-with-their-case-against-the-calgary-expo/comment-page-1/#comment-773311 |
J.C., interesting, and thanks! I'll add that to the post. | 2015-06-17T23:01:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/17/the-honey-badger-brigade-has-hired-a-disbarred-lawyer-to-help-them-with-their-case-against-the-calgary-expo/comment-page-1/#comment-773289 |
Thanks, everyone! And thanks, nurse kitties! WWTH, I'm not sure the antibiotics are supposed to shorten the length of time I have it, but more to keep me from being contagious forever and to help me avoid possible other infections. Bina, I know, it makes strep throat look kind of cool. PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: No matter what your "friends" tell you, strep throat is NOT COOL. Stay in school, kids! (Well, unless you have strep, in which case do not stay in school.) Also, another public service announcement: do not do a google image search for strep throat unless you want to see hundreds of really gross pics. |
2015-06-17T22:10:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/17/strep-throat-rave-party/comment-page-1/#comment-773265 |
The weird thing, though, is that Kopyto has apparently spent his whole legal career advising left-wing causesHe seems to have become something of an MRA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6R77ZxIGAw On the $250-$500 thing, maybe she means per hour? Of course, if they actually had a case I'm pretty sure they'd have no problem getting a lawyer to take it on contingency. |
2015-06-17T22:03:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/17/the-honey-badger-brigade-has-hired-a-disbarred-lawyer-to-help-them-with-their-case-against-the-calgary-expo/comment-page-1/#comment-773261 |
I really hope Tieman has to spend the rest of her year figuring out how to send money back to everyone who donated. | 2015-06-17T20:56:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/17/the-honey-badger-brigade-has-hired-a-disbarred-lawyer-to-help-them-with-their-case-against-the-calgary-expo/comment-page-1/#comment-773218 |
I forgot how creepy The Adversary was. But then he tried to post a link to the comment he left on a super-creepy blog, and I decided we've heard enough from him. Sorry, dude, go "debate" elsewhere. | 2015-06-15T11:23:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/14/man-kills-woman-said-to-have-reported-him-for-sexual-harassment-red-pillers-find-it-hard-to-blame-him/comment-page-2/#comment-771719 |
Keith, the examples I "cherry picked" didn't come from some fringe character in the men's rights movement; they came from a man who is by far the most influential man in the men's rights movement today, and from something he (re)posted just this week. james, did you simply stop reading my post after the bit about getting back to the men's rights movement? Because you've missed the point completely. I didn't say anyone had made him a hero. And it doesn't matter if anyone makes this particular man a hero. What I said was that the MRM has made heroes of men LIKE him (and a few MRAs have made heroes of even worse men, like Anders Breivik). . But the broader point is that MRAs are continually trying to scare the world into agreeing with them by suggesting that all or at least a large number of men are "man bombs" like Boulware who will erupt and, well, destroy civilization if we don't listen to them. Reading Elam's post after reading through a dozen or more articles about Boulware was chilling to me, because Elam was so clearly using the violence of men like Boulware in order to say, see, you have to listen to me, or these poor men will be driven to kill and it will all be the fault of family courts and the women they "loved," who are kind of getting what they deserve. (Notice the utter lack of empathy in Elam's story for the woman murdered by the asshole he thinks is somehow the real victim.) As for the question of bad taste, I felt I had to write something. I'm really fucking tired of reading about guys like Boulware, angry entitled assholes that MRA types see as "victims" even as they act out every MRAs darkest fantasy of violent retribution against everyone who in their mind "done them wrong." Well, maybe not every MRA, but an awful lot of them, including some of the most influential ones out there. |
2015-06-14T05:48:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/13/james-boulware-another-male-rage-bomb-goes-off-in-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-771085 |
Miss Andry, you win the thread. | 2015-06-12T21:43:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/12/red-pill-redditors-now-straight-up-advocating-nazi-policies-on-women-as-in-what-literal-hitler-literally-did/comment-page-1/#comment-770468 |
Oh, and FWIW, Elam was evidently a substance abuse counselor of some sort for some time; he quit or was tossed out of the profession, I don't know the details, at least a decade ago. I don't know what sort of educational/training/certification was required for his job or what he had. The bureau of labor statistics says that for drug counselors "educational requirements range from a high school diploma and certification to a master’s degree." http://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/substance-abuse-and-behavioral-disorder-counselors.htm#tab-4 |
2015-06-11T14:47:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/11/new-service-for-angry-men-mental-health-non-professional-paul-elam-will-listen-to-you-on-skype-for-90-an-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-769839 |
At some point, advertising “Pay me money to talk about your problems” runs afoul of laws regarding professional therapists and mental health provider licensing requirements, no?I'm not a lawyer, as they say, but I think as long as he calls it "consulting" or "coaching" he's legally allowed to do this. "Psychic" hotlines are also legal, though they're usually called "entertainment" in the fine print. |
2015-06-11T14:35:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/11/new-service-for-angry-men-mental-health-non-professional-paul-elam-will-listen-to-you-on-skype-for-90-an-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-769832 |
Other highlights from that reddit thread: The guy who won't help poor people claims to have devoted literally thousands of hours and dollars to helping poor people and getting mad because it's like they WANT to be poor! There's a guy who says he was a volunteer fireman, and who says that impresses the ladies, except when he brings it up in conversation in order to impress them. I'm just imagining the conversations: "Here's your burrito, sir." "Thanks, babe. Did you remember to include the extra hot sauce. I can handle the heat, because I'm a VOLUNTEER FIREMAN." "Uh, yes, sir, you mentioned that already." "I really know how to work my hose, if you know what I mean! You know, because of the fireman thing, get it?" "There are like ten people behind you in line." "I like my women like I like my burned-down houses: wet and smokin!" *silence* "That's something we FIREMEN like to say. Well, actually just me." Also, the OP, if you look back through his history, turns out to be a bit of a racist. He's also an atheist who recently went to the ex-Mormon subreddit to ask if he should convert to Mormonism, apparently so he could find himself a virgin wife or something. |
2015-06-09T21:48:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/09/red-pill-dudes-agree-volunteering-can-totally-be-alpha-just-as-long-as-you-dont-help-poor-people-or-kittens/comment-page-1/#comment-769178 |
Wiggly cheetah cub! Oh, and for Yes Artistically and anyone else wondering, yes I'm fine, just taking care of some stuff that's taking more time than it should. |
2015-06-09T00:13:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/08/posting-will-resume-shortly-in-the-meantime-a-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-768825 |
Dang, Mark, that went south pretty fast. Banned. Though I think I'll leave those comments up because, wow. How many Marks ARE there in the world of gross trolls? | 2015-06-07T02:21:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-36/#comment-768032 |
An update on the transphobic Caitlyn Jenner ad; I reported it and wordpress support said they would pull it (not sure if they mean from wordpress in general or just here). If it shows up again, please screenshot it and then report it using the "about these ads" link, and also email me. thanks! | 2015-06-06T19:16:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/03/a-mgtows-lament-the-fact-that-slut-walks-exist-make-me-wish-i-didnt-live-on-this-planet-anymore/comment-page-6/#comment-767901 |
Dan, I certainly understand the anger, but I can't allow comments like that here. I deleted it; please refrain from that sort of comment again. | 2015-06-05T22:27:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/05/philosophy-of-rape-site-argues-that-whores-and-feminazis-need-to-be-put-in-their-place-through-rape-offers-tips-to-aspiring-rapists/comment-page-2/#comment-767367 |
vitaminc -- I haven't seen the ad you're mentioning, but obviously that's appalling and I don't want ads like that on this site. Unfortunately, I have no control over which ads run on the site; wordpress handles that. If that ad or any other objectionable ad shows up again, please contact wordpress about it by clicking the "about these ads" link you can find right next to each set of ads. There's a standard reporting procedure to follow. | 2015-06-05T12:08:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/03/a-mgtows-lament-the-fact-that-slut-walks-exist-make-me-wish-i-didnt-live-on-this-planet-anymore/comment-page-5/#comment-767073 |
Creepy Dean is banned. And scented hard chair's TMI comment has been deleted, as requested. Just a reminder: the fastest/most effective way to get creepy commenters dealt with is to email me/the mods. I'm often a bit behind in reading the comments and may not see ban/deletion requests right away if they're in the comments. |
2015-06-05T12:00:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/comments-policy/comment-page-7/#comment-767068 |
wwth, I understand the impulse towards feeling sympathy towards him; he's so clearly being exploited by Elam, devoting his life to promoting a charlatan who keeps all the $$ for himself even though Esmay is working just as hard. He kind of reminds me of some of those top ranking ex-scientologists who've left the group in recent years who (as scientilogists) went after critics viciously and denied that the leader of the group (David Miscavige) was abusive and then after quitting report that, "well, yeah, Miscavige used to beat the crap out of me and sent me to live in a virtual prison for months at a time." But at the moment Dean seems even more of a true believer than any of those guys. |
2015-06-04T22:02:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/04/were-a-group-of-volunteers-dedicated-to-a-cause-and-the-cause-is-paul-elam-dean-esmay-of-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-766750 |
I'm assuming tim is sincere; the guy who does redonkulus is a friend of AVFM; he spoke at their one and only convention. he was the guy who talked about how his ex-wife was "cukoo for cocoa penis puffs." Yes, that is the sort of high-caliber intellectual discussion that went on at that very inportant conference. | 2015-06-04T21:55:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/04/were-a-group-of-volunteers-dedicated-to-a-cause-and-the-cause-is-paul-elam-dean-esmay-of-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-766742 |
There are a small number of MGTOWs who support AVFM; presumably this is one of them. Though how his comment is related to Esmay's creepy hero worship I have no idea. | 2015-06-04T21:31:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/04/were-a-group-of-volunteers-dedicated-to-a-cause-and-the-cause-is-paul-elam-dean-esmay-of-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-766719 |
(I'm responding to WWTH about Dean, in case that's not clear.) | 2015-06-04T21:29:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/04/were-a-group-of-volunteers-dedicated-to-a-cause-and-the-cause-is-paul-elam-dean-esmay-of-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-766716 |
I would feel a little more sympathy for him if he didn't devote so much of his time and energy to running around yelling at people and spreading lies about them. He's very much an enforcer in a Scientologist sort of way, and, in his own weirdly mawkish way, a gigantic bully though he clearly sees himself as a victim. Hell. right before this bit in the phone call he was going on at length about what an evil bigot "sadist" I am, because he had decided based on nothing that Swore was working for me. |
2015-06-04T21:28:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/04/were-a-group-of-volunteers-dedicated-to-a-cause-and-the-cause-is-paul-elam-dean-esmay-of-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-766713 |
#4 is a reference to a youtube meme; I think someone brought it up several hundred comments ago. OH NOES I'M NOT A REAL GAMER because I didn't immediately recognize one of their memes. Jared, did you check to see if "based mom" herself knew about that meme, because GGers seem to think she's qualified to offer opinions about all this despite not being a gamer at all much less a REAL GAMER. (Same question applies with Milo.) | 2015-06-04T16:26:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/29/the-five-creepiest-gamergate-fan-art-tributes-to-christina-hoff-sommers-aka-based-mom-with-bonus-annoying-gif/comment-page-4/#comment-766584 |
Pansirus, sorry, should have made this clear: Forney used to blog under the pseudonym "Ferdinand Bardamu," so he's quoted in the link under that name. | 2015-06-04T16:05:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/29/manosphere-blogger-anders-breivik-should-have-targeted-the-politicians-media-and-bureaucrats-not-their-children/comment-page-1/#comment-766575 |
Cannonball, possibly in the top ten songs in human history. Brooked, there are still lesbians here. And it's not really boystown 2. It's nowhere near as densely packed with gay bars, etc. There is one leather bar, but it's been around for a long time (as have many of its patrons; I think it sort of caters to an older crowd). |
2015-06-04T02:29:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/03/a-mgtows-lament-the-fact-that-slut-walks-exist-make-me-wish-i-didnt-live-on-this-planet-anymore/comment-page-3/#comment-766366 |
Bryce, the whole point of Take Back the Night marches is to symbolize women, you know, taking back the night. Men don't need to "take back the night" as a gender. The Nike events may be less political but seem to be driven by a similar logic. Why exactly do men need to be involved? Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of the event in the first place, or at the very least undercut the symbolic value of the gesture? A friend of mine told me that when she was in college there was always a big controversy because guys insisted not only on being in the take back the night marches but also in the front row carrying the banner. Sort of like Hugo S at the slut walks. What the fuck, dudes; sit on the sidelines and cheer for once. Or at the very least don't try to steal the fucking spotlight. |
2015-06-04T01:10:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/03/a-mgtows-lament-the-fact-that-slut-walks-exist-make-me-wish-i-didnt-live-on-this-planet-anymore/comment-page-3/#comment-766334 |
Bye, Rebecca! Go troll somewhere else. Now I'm sad about the lesbian bars going away. There was one a few blocks from me; due to my very odd hours I sometimes ran across little gangs of drunk lesbians leaving the bar at closing time while I was on my way home from the grocery store. Alas, it shut down a couple of years ago and the space is now home to some generic upscale eatery.The lesbian bar was definitely not upscale. I assumed the shutdown was a symptom of gentrification of this particular neighborhood; I didn't realize it was part of a national trend. When i moved to my neighborhood like 17 years ago (Andersonville in Chicago; I can't believe I've lived here this long) it was sort of a lesbian neighborhood. (Well, semi-lesbian.) Now it's both more upscale and more popular/populated with gay men. So literal gentrification, in that now it's more about gents. |
2015-06-04T00:58:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/03/a-mgtows-lament-the-fact-that-slut-walks-exist-make-me-wish-i-didnt-live-on-this-planet-anymore/comment-page-3/#comment-766329 |
Also, I'm a bit behind on comments and have only now noticed andy capps here. I'm worried about you too, Andy. Anenome, you are absolutely right. Somehow I missed that when I watched this video last year. But I just listened to that bit twice, and he does indeed say that the "cause is paul elam." I mean, I knew it was a cult, but usually they don't come out and admit it like that. |
2015-06-03T05:04:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/18/to-one-mens-rights-activist-lying-about-mras-boycotting-mad-max-fury-road-is-worse-than-denying-the-holocaust/comment-page-3/#comment-765777 |
Leonard, I'm going to be charitable and assume you didn't actually read the post you're replying to here, because if you DID, and then went ahead and wrote the nonsense that you did, well, son, then I'm a little worried about you. | 2015-06-03T04:53:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/18/to-one-mens-rights-activist-lying-about-mras-boycotting-mad-max-fury-road-is-worse-than-denying-the-holocaust/comment-page-3/#comment-765773 |
I think I figured out the "tax farm" thing. I think the idea is that we citizens are basically a big "tax farm" for the evil government, and that somehow Caitlyn Jenner's appearance in VF is propaganda aimed at this "tax farm," though it's not exactly clear why these dudes think the evil government would be interested in or benefit from this alleged propaganda. Also, I think when these guys mention "Agents of Zion" they are thinking of the "Protocols" and not Israel. |
2015-06-02T16:44:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/02/semi-nazi-pickup-artists-blame-caitlyn-jenners-vanity-fair-cover-on-ruthless-agents-of-zion/comment-page-2/#comment-765400 |
A woman I know has a Dr. Steve Brule tattoo. (He's a character on Tim and Eric, but I suppose if you know about Tim and Eric you probably know that.) Turns out there are a few other people who had the same idea. Hers was better than most of these here, though: https://www.google.com/search?q=steve+brule+tattoo&num=100&sa=X&biw=1331&bih=632&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=BI5tVayoB4jJtQWY6YOgDQ&ved=0CB4QsAQ In other news: I removed a Buffalo Bill reference from the post; a commenter pointed out that the character was really kind of a transphobic nightmare. I also removed a comment someone else here made with the same reference. |
2015-06-02T06:13:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/01/young-women-with-tattoos-are-dickless-queequegs-abusing-their-freedom-possible-threat-to-mens-rights/comment-page-4/#comment-765024 |
I'm increasingly thinking that the two not only don't know how to make a documentary but that neither one of them has even seen a professionally produced documentary. | 2015-06-01T20:58:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/06/01/i-dont-care-if-you-donated-10000-fk-you-jordan-owen-graciously-replies-to-critics-of-the-sarkeesian-effect-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-764795 |
marinerachel, nah, Dean wore the magical pants to the thing in Toronto. The March on Washington was even more poorly attended, with zero people at it. Unless they were wearing magic pants of invisibility. | 2015-06-01T06:26:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/31/a-voice-for-men-triumphantly-cancels-its-conference-supporters-declare-victory/comment-page-2/#comment-764370 |
Opium, it's even more ironic than that, in that Clarey called for a mass boycott of something he hadn't even seen. I can only imagine what would happen if Sarkeesian did anything even remotely similar. | 2015-05-31T21:37:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/31/the-sarkeesian-effect-trailer-is-out-at-last-watch-it-here/comment-page-3/#comment-764186 |
GWW doesn't seem to much care about appearing conventionally feminine, and she's not trying to appeal to the red pillers in that way. Her comments about "fat neckbeard male feminists" are intended to flatter and reassure the dudes she's talking to, in a motherly sort of way, as suggested by Philip Rose and makingfitzcarraldo. Indeed, in this AMA she really laid on the mother talk. I don't think I've ever seen her talk so much about her kids. Does she comment about the looks of feminist women? I don't remember ever seeing her do that. There's a different sort of dynamic going on with someone like JB, who seems perpetually trapped in high school. JB talks about the looks of feminist women constantly. http://judgybitch.com/2013/04/06/the-president-compliments-a-pretty-woman-and-all-the-ugly-bitches-scream/ |
2015-05-30T21:35:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/30/the-top-ten-completely-untrue-things-i-learned-from-girlwriteswhats-red-pill-ask-me-anything/comment-page-1/#comment-763534 |
So, wait, does the fedora bunny get eaten?
"Don’t listen to what those nasty people say. You’ll always be mamma’s biggest, bestest, most handsomest boys!”I was thinking, are there male feminists with similar schticks? Obviously, yes (I have one in mind), but I think most (female) feminists can recognize this as the patronizing bullshit it is. Perhaps because women are more used to men using patronizing bullshit to get something from them. It reminds me of this song by Lush, "ladykillers," about (pre-PUA) dudes trying to pick up women in clubs with ridiculous lines, including one going on about "how women are superior to men." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSgYHzACvMI You'd think that the trained PUAs of the Red Pill subreddit, supposedly such masters of manipulation, could see through this sort of bullshit when someone uses it on them. But of course not. Then again it seems pretty clear that Straughan is not only bamboozling them, but she's bamboozled herself, at least to some degree. But when she lays it on as thick as she did in this AMA, it's clear she knows what she's doing. |
2015-05-30T21:05:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/30/the-top-ten-completely-untrue-things-i-learned-from-girlwriteswhats-red-pill-ask-me-anything/comment-page-1/#comment-763503 |
Mark is banned for being a damn pest. I thought I'd banned him earlier, for the same reason, but apparently not. |
2015-05-30T20:28:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/28/check-out-the-stumbling-block-on-her-how-the-duggars-and-some-mras-blame-womens-bodies-for-mens-actions/comment-page-15/#comment-763484 |
mrkfoster, I knew someone here would know! I've updated the post accordingly. | 2015-05-30T17:34:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/30/the-top-ten-completely-untrue-things-i-learned-from-girlwriteswhats-red-pill-ask-me-anything/comment-page-1/#comment-763260 |
Thanks. And a sigh from me as well. | 2015-05-29T02:09:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/21/white-supremacists-are-convinced-that-a-nickelodeon-show-about-a-girl-quarterback-is-promoting-race-cuckoldry/comment-page-4/#comment-761842 |
FYI, the original Cuckold film wasn't a porno; IMDb classifies it as a drama. Brooked, I can't find the subreddit Meow Blitz came from; when I image searched his pic I found links to 4chan and to a racist blog I'm 99.% sure is run by Heartiste, but no Reddit links. |
2015-05-28T22:53:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/21/white-supremacists-are-convinced-that-a-nickelodeon-show-about-a-girl-quarterback-is-promoting-race-cuckoldry/comment-page-4/#comment-761759 |
C.S.Strowbridge, as far as I know, Aaron Sleazy (or whatever his real name is) is the the only AVFM writer who was directly involved in PUAhate. Was there someone else? | 2015-05-27T19:28:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/27/sorry-mras-youre-kleenex-why-mens-rights-activists-have-lost-control-of-their-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-761000 |
Mark, just drop it. | 2015-05-27T18:44:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/26/toronto-police-investigating-pua-who-posted-video-saying-a-woman-should-be-stabbed-and-cut-up-into-tiny-pieces/comment-page-3/#comment-760975 |
wordsp1nner, is that the latest installment of the Cube films? | 2015-05-26T22:43:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/26/toronto-police-investigating-pua-who-posted-video-saying-a-woman-should-be-stabbed-and-cut-up-into-tiny-pieces/comment-page-1/#comment-760624 |
Buttercup, I'm pretty sure I've seen some creepy MRA type try to justify peophilia sorry ephebophilia by saying that women don't mature past the age of 13 or whatever so men should be allowed to have sex with them at 13. On the femitheist, I've never been able to figure her out. I think she's sincere. But despite her extreme beliefs she seems to be very polite to everyone she deals with online. I've even seen her having polite twitter conversations with Dean Esmay. (Even though AVFM doxxed her and apparently made her so afraid for her own safety she faked her own suicide at one point.) |
2015-05-26T05:21:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/25/women-enjoy-being-forced-to-do-things-just-like-children-creepy-as-hell-red-pill-redditor-observes/comment-page-2/#comment-760205 |
Nicky, those sorts of comments are unacceptable here. I went to your blog and read your bio and your intersex story detailing the forced genital surgery you were put though as a child, the hormones you were forced to take. What they did to you was terrible. That's what makes your transphobic comments so baffling to me. I honestly don't understand -- and I mean this literally, I really don't understand -- why you have such hostility towards trans folk, who have also been dealing their whole lives with people trying to put them in a gender box into which they don't fit. Feel free to email me if you want to discuss this but I can't let you post more comments like the ones you've posted so far; I've also deleted your last comment. |
2015-05-25T15:05:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/22/mens-rights-redditors-agree-trans-intersex-and-genderqueer-folks-are-silly-and-annoying-and-hinder-true-equality/comment-page-3/#comment-759837 |
Nicky, what?! Cis is just a category for people who aren't trans or genderqueer/fluid/agender/intersex/etc. How can it "not exist?" And how on earth is it "slut shaming?" | 2015-05-25T04:37:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/22/mens-rights-redditors-agree-trans-intersex-and-genderqueer-folks-are-silly-and-annoying-and-hinder-true-equality/comment-page-3/#comment-759632 |
Brooked, he so, so desperately wants to be a serious thinker, but every "serious thought" he thinks is just some old reactionary cliche. His "social criticism" is so trite it's painful to read. | 2015-05-25T04:10:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/24/reactionary-game-guru-roosh-v-divorces-the-red-pill-demands-full-custody-of-all-the-pageviews/comment-page-1/#comment-759630 |
redneck, this is why I criticize Roosh for his fat shaming: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/11/oops-roosh-vs-fatshamingweek-rallies-fat-acceptance-activists-makes-fat-shamers-look-like-the-dicks-they-are/ also, redneck, you've really gotten tedious. Banned. |
2015-05-24T22:04:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/24/reactionary-game-guru-roosh-v-divorces-the-red-pill-demands-full-custody-of-all-the-pageviews/comment-page-1/#comment-759494 |
bigboy, wow, a 2-month-old post from some conspiracy website. Never mind that Elizabeth Warren has stated unequivocally about a zillion times that she's not running. | 2015-05-23T21:42:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/23/comments-i-dont-let-through-saturday-afternoon-hate-potpourri/comment-page-3/#comment-759088 |
I've got it figured out now. She briefly dates two white guys (one moves away shortly after they get together). Troy dates another girl (a white girl, oh nooo).There's only one regular couple. | 2015-05-23T00:01:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/21/white-supremacists-are-convinced-that-a-nickelodeon-show-about-a-girl-quarterback-is-promoting-race-cuckoldry/comment-page-3/#comment-758499 |
Was someone here saying their kid watched the show? If so, could you ask who exactly Bella dates? Half of the conspiracy theory is based on the idea she dates Troy, the (horrors!) black football player, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that this is actually the case. I did see a reference in one plot summary to her dating someone else. | 2015-05-22T23:21:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/21/white-supremacists-are-convinced-that-a-nickelodeon-show-about-a-girl-quarterback-is-promoting-race-cuckoldry/comment-page-3/#comment-758484 |
Here's some pretty good inadvertent comedy. If you watch only one 22 minute video of an completely incoherent libertarian Redditor calling in to Sam Seder's Majority Report show today, make it this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ipwfPfafE |
2015-05-22T20:49:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/22/friday-night-open-thread-awkward-dance-party/comment-page-1/#comment-758416 |
If there were a Twin Peaks restaurant chain that was like David Lynch's Twin Peaks, I would be there in a second. I mean, really like Twin Peaks, not just a diner with pie and coffee; I would expect weird backwards-sounding waiters and log ladies and "Bob" and Garmonbozia that was actually made of pain and sorrow, not just creamed corn. | 2015-05-21T19:16:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/21/would-you-like-some-wings-with-that-ego-stroking-make-big-bucks-by-giving-insecure-men-the-attention-they-crave/comment-page-1/#comment-757835 |
Tabby Lavalamp, I didn't realize that "lamppost swingularity" was, in addition to being completely awful, also a Turner Diaries reference, Fuckin nazis. | 2015-05-21T18:38:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/21/white-supremacists-are-convinced-that-a-nickelodeon-show-about-a-girl-quarterback-is-promoting-race-cuckoldry/comment-page-2/#comment-757814 |
Roxane, don't call people "bitches." | 2015-05-20T22:31:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/09/the-punch-and-punch-show-mens-rights-redditors-fantasize-about-how-much-easier-life-would-be-if-they-were-gay/comment-page-3/#comment-757347 |
skybison, obviously that was a joke, but I can't let comments like that on the blog. | 2015-05-19T22:06:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/19/a-woman-stoned-to-death-is-a-woman-held-to-adult-standards-that-feminists-now-reject-one-mgtow-explains/comment-page-1/#comment-756802 |
katz, yep. the AVFM twitter squad is tweeting up a storm about it. re dean's tweets: thanks for posting them, brooked; he's got me blocked.weird how dean never contacts me to ask questions/check facts before he posts false crap about me. |
2015-05-19T19:17:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/18/to-one-mens-rights-activist-lying-about-mras-boycotting-mad-max-fury-road-is-worse-than-denying-the-holocaust/comment-page-2/#comment-756751 |
Brooked, thank you for your fortitude in sorting through all that! | 2015-05-19T00:21:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/18/what-philadelphia-train-crash-exposes-the-problems-with-homosexuals-in-america-return-of-kings-writer-claims/comment-page-2/#comment-756469 |
YoullNeverGuess, I blame the dog conspiracy for my typo. | 2015-05-17T13:56:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/16/six-photos-that-prove-the-dogs-are-up-to-something-too/comment-page-1/#comment-755743 |
Here's his "official statement." http://www.avoiceformen.com/allbulletins/update-a-statement-from-dan-perrins/ |
2015-05-16T21:14:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/13/canadian-mra-dan-perrins-launches-hunger-strike-demands-the-arrest-of-those-whove-libelled-him/comment-page-2/#comment-755475 |
Adam, I deleted your comment. Come on, dude. WWTH, I don't think so. |
2015-05-14T14:34:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/13/canadian-mra-dan-perrins-launches-hunger-strike-demands-the-arrest-of-those-whove-libelled-him/comment-page-2/#comment-754304 |
I've banned Pelagic. | 2015-05-13T16:25:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/13/canadian-mra-dan-perrins-launches-hunger-strike-demands-the-arrest-of-those-whove-libelled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-753620 |
talbotfish, I in no way "linked" O'Donnell with the ROK assholes. I was alluding to the issues that many feminists have with Ensler, and the irony that the woman the ROK guys and a lot of MRAs see as a prototypical contemporary feminist is in fact quite controversial among feminists | 2015-05-12T14:33:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/12/furious-about-furiosa-misogynists-are-losing-it-over-charlize-therons-starring-role-in-mad-max-fury-road/comment-page-2/#comment-753051 |
Alan, ah, I thought it meant sort of annoying and pretentious. I'll change it. On that tweet, I was sort of trying to suggest that I was so gargantuan that there were actual human beings napping in the folds of my flesh. Which as far as I know isn't true. |
2015-05-12T13:29:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/12/pickup-artist-heartiste-seems-to-think-the-notion-of-playing-hard-to-get-was-his-idea-in-the-first-place/comment-page-1/#comment-753021 |
sunnysombrera, you may enjoy my latest post. well, most ot it; I'm not sure anyone should read the final bit, featuring some really horrible quotes from a return of kings reader. |
2015-05-12T08:52:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/10/6-baffling-black-and-white-pictures-to-confuse-you-with/comment-page-1/#comment-752864 |
Shadow, that cat barking like a dog one has always freaked me out a little. The clearest proof of all of the cat illuminati conspiracy. | 2015-05-12T01:54:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/11/one-of-these-days-im-gonna-get-organiz-ized-gamergate-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-752797 |
I haven't caught up with this thread yet but Divided Line is banned; I deleted his comments as well, though I'll leave the responses.. Dude, what part of "NOTE: This discussion thread is a NO TROLLS, NO MRAs, etc thread. If you’re a troll, an MRA or similar and you comment in this thread you will be banned" did you not understand? | 2015-05-12T00:37:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/10/feminist-activist-grace-mann-murdered-blogger-blames-her-death-on-feminist-jokes-about-misandry/comment-page-3/#comment-752777 |
"There’s absolutely no reason for them to not add the manosphere as a whole to their extremist files, though." Completely agree. And at this point I think AVFM qualifies as a hate site that turned into a hate group. The SPLC also needs to come up with a new category for hate sites; maybe they could set up a "hate map" of the internet to augment their "hate map" of hate groups in the US. |
2015-05-11T12:28:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/11/is-the-bigot-fighting-southern-poverty-law-center-the-real-hate-group-one-mens-rights-butthead-says-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-752500 |
I apologize for the two close parentheses in my last comment, but if there were any unclosed parentheses lying around the blog I guess they're fixed? | 2015-05-11T07:40:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/10/feminist-activist-grace-mann-murdered-blogger-blames-her-death-on-feminist-jokes-about-misandry/comment-page-2/#comment-752430 |
I feel safe in saying, after looking at his comment history, that saintluger was not trying to be satirical. (Even if he were that comment would have been wildly inappropriate.) In any case, I've deleted that comment and another in a different thread and banned him.) Also, I'm making this an official troll-free, MRA-free thread. I'll put a note in the post.) Thanks to the person who emailed the mods about it! And if any of you see anything else that's inappropriate in this thread or elsewhere, please don't hesitate to email me or the mods; I can't always promise an immediate response but it' the quickest and most effective way to get stuff like this taken down. And I'd much rather get duplicate reports of the same terrible comment than no reports! |
2015-05-11T07:38:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/10/feminist-activist-grace-mann-murdered-blogger-blames-her-death-on-feminist-jokes-about-misandry/comment-page-2/#comment-752429 |
This is not the first time I’ve seen MRAs threaten with revenge and death for all the injustice that has been inflicted on men.. Yeah, they do this shit constantly. I've done a few posts about that in the past but I could probably find enough examples to do a post on that every day. Hell, one of the first posts/videos by Paul Elam to get a lot of attention was called "how to build a male bomb," and it basically suggested that unless the powers that be recognized that men were the real downtrodden gender there would be giant violent riots etc. |
2015-05-10T19:38:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/10/feminist-activist-grace-mann-murdered-blogger-blames-her-death-on-feminist-jokes-about-misandry/comment-page-2/#comment-752298 |
Father of *glaciers.* Ah, now it makes sense. It's pretty impressive for a snow/ice man. | 2015-05-10T19:09:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/10/6-baffling-black-and-white-pictures-to-confuse-you-with/comment-page-1/#comment-752296 |
If anyone is interested in a watching a battle between Tom "Penguins are whores" Martin and Mike Buchanan, check out the comments on AVFM now: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/british-general-election-j4mb-results-and-reflections/ Actually, Tom's been banned so the battle is already over. |
2015-05-10T07:54:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/09/mike-buchanan-the-mens-rights-buffoon-who-won-153-votes-in-the-uk-elections-is-declaring-victory/comment-page-2/#comment-752095 |
I kind of like this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvP1qOqE6Zk |
2015-05-09T23:24:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-revelation-that-one-of-their-contributors-is-a-holocaust-denier-by-calling-me-a-stalker-madman/comment-page-1/#comment-752000 |
I hadn't realized that Esmay was quoting NIN again; he wrote a rant about me a while back in which he quoted pretty much that whole song. Which reminds me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yArRnznVJwY Somehow I suspect that if Esmay heard this his head would explode. |
2015-05-09T23:19:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-revelation-that-one-of-their-contributors-is-a-holocaust-denier-by-calling-me-a-stalker-madman/comment-page-1/#comment-751999 |
ninjaed! | 2015-05-09T23:11:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-revelation-that-one-of-their-contributors-is-a-holocaust-denier-by-calling-me-a-stalker-madman/comment-page-1/#comment-751994 |
Henry Ford was pretty rabidly anti-Semitic, and a big promoter of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The weird thing about Washington is that people have attributed anti-Semitic quotes to him -- not to make him look bad, but in order to bolster the cause of anti-Semitism. So probably the only reason Talukdar thinks that Washington was an anti-Semite is that he (Talukdar) hangs out with a lot of fellow anti-Semites. cretaceouskitteh78, thanks again for alerting me about this! I will happily give you credit in the posts if you'd like. (I asked this before; if you already answered, sorry; I didn't see it; I think I'm a little behind on comments.) MRAs are apparently completely allergic to admitting anything even resembling a mistake. AVFM could have simply said: we had no idea he was an anti-Semite (they probably didn't). and so we're taking down his posts. That would have been embarrassing, but not the end of the world. Instead they respond with arglebargle and denial and, well, lies, because saying that I'm lying about the Tweets -- which are obviously real, and which I provided them -- is a pretty blatant lie. |
2015-05-09T23:11:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-revelation-that-one-of-their-contributors-is-a-holocaust-denier-by-calling-me-a-stalker-madman/comment-page-1/#comment-751993 |
Goats are awesome.
And I can't claim credit for "fart in a jar," I kind of borrowed it from Pattoon Oswalt (who does indeed look a lot like success baby).
Also, I don't really know anything about this Al Murray guy, but he's got some good ideas, I think. Common sense.
The pound in your pocket "The pound will be revalued at one pound 10p, so it will now be worth 10p more. Common sense." Foreign Policy "Germany has been too quiet for too long. Just saying." Europe "I pledge that the UK will leave Europe by 2025 and the edge of the Solar System by 2050. Common Market sense. In the meantime Greece to be bought and operated by Kent County Council. Couldn't be worse. Someone to do the bins at least." Corporations and globalisation "Blah blah blah blah blah paradigm blah blah blah, blah blah dialectic blah blah blah blah blah blah game-changer." On Local issues "South Thanet to be made the new capital of the UK. Demilitarised zone to set-up between North and South Thanet.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/its-not-just-nigel-farage-al-murray-the-pub-landlord-loses-south-thanet-bid-despite-patriotic-pledges-10235430.html |
2015-05-09T22:32:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/09/mike-buchanan-the-mens-rights-buffoon-who-won-153-votes-in-the-uk-elections-is-declaring-victory/comment-page-2/#comment-751979 |
I assumed the last two cats were training in some kind of cat kung-fu that involves a lot of lying on top of your enemy. | 2015-05-08T21:14:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/08/brain-bleach-friday-cats-up-to-something/comment-page-1/#comment-751629 |
He was fundraising pretty insistently, I don't know how much he raised, though. I can only hope it was a lot. | 2015-05-08T08:32:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/08/uk-election-mike-buchanan-of-the-justice-for-men-and-boys-party-gets-153-votes-not-153000-153/comment-page-1/#comment-751394 |
ej, thanks! I added the info about the other candidate and an little h/t to you in the post, which is up now. I'm not sure there was a 3rd candidate -- I could have sworn I read somewhere that they only put up 2 candidates, but I could be wrong. |
2015-05-08T08:27:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/07/20-more-brilliant-insights-from-howtospotafeminist/comment-page-1/#comment-751391 |
ej, that is music to my ears. I'm going to do a quick post on it -- do you want credit for providing me with the details? | 2015-05-08T06:49:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/07/20-more-brilliant-insights-from-howtospotafeminist/comment-page-1/#comment-751362 |
Hey, UK contingent, please tell me that Mike Buchanan didn't win anything. | 2015-05-08T04:46:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/07/20-more-brilliant-insights-from-howtospotafeminist/comment-page-1/#comment-751343 |
Alan, thanks for that link! Evans' book "Lying About Hitler" is brilliant; he rips Irving to shreds. | 2015-05-07T15:54:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/07/the-author-of-a-voice-for-mens-marital-rape-apologia-is-a-holocaust-denier-and-hitler-fan-no-really/comment-page-1/#comment-751139 |
4th, I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole but in the case of the tweeters in this post I would say unironucally that they are indeed forces of darkness. |
2015-05-07T01:15:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/06/the-top-10-shocking-truths-about-feminism-ive-learned-from-howtospotafeminist/comment-page-2/#comment-750929 |
cretaceouskitteh78, woah, thanks for letting me know about that. I'm going to do a post on it; would you like credit in the post for bringing his Holocaust tweets to my attention? | 2015-05-07T00:50:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/05/a-voice-for-men-writer-marriage-is-a-licence-for-sex-and-laws-against-marital-rape-will-destroy-marriage-itself/comment-page-2/#comment-750917 |
I'll remove the lothar tweet, thanks for the head's up. Katz, looks like you accidentally tried to post a couple of comments using a different account; I'm assuming you don't want me to let them through. |
2015-05-07T00:42:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/06/the-top-10-shocking-truths-about-feminism-ive-learned-from-howtospotafeminist/comment-page-2/#comment-750916 |
Francis, hon, I understood what your ostensible argument was, as you would know if you actually read my post with any degree of care. It's just that it's a little hard to take that seriously given AVFM's long history of fat shaming -- and your fat shaming in the meme with the fat dude. There was nothing on your meme to identify it as being yours. A google image search only brought me back to the AVFM facebook page. |
2015-05-06T21:46:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/03/a-voice-for-men-fights-for-the-rights-of-men-by-fat-shaming-women-and-men/comment-page-2/#comment-750877 |
Oops, I hadn't realized he had retired; I fixed the post, Thanks, brooked! | 2015-05-05T04:34:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/04/pickup-artist-roosh-v-edges-ever-closer-to-neo-nazism-with-an-attack-on-cosmopolitan-degenerate-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-750179 |
Hoosier X, this guy is so awful that even evo psych people have disowned him. (for real) | 2015-05-05T01:44:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/04/pickup-artist-roosh-v-edges-ever-closer-to-neo-nazism-with-an-attack-on-cosmopolitan-degenerate-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-750140 |
Doh! I didn't know the amphetamine one was fake. In my defense, there were a lot of really creepy and very very wrong drug ads in those days. | 2015-05-03T03:22:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/02/stay-fit-and-slim-by-taking-amphetamine-and-other-questionable-advice-from-the-past-with-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-749577 |
Loquora, welcome! I've been doing this 5 years and I still get surprised by what these guys say on a regular basis. | 2015-05-01T19:01:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/01/yet-another-manosphere-doofus-thinks-bruce-jenner-is-having-a-sex-change-because-females-get-more-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-749166 |
Whoo!!! The total is now up to $480.31, just $39,529 short of the goal! But seriously, thanks, and thanks to those who donated to charity! This whole thing was a spur-of-the-moment joke, but actually I'm making some changes to the blog (nothing to do with the content) that are going to cost some actual money, and this will cover a good chunk of the costs! Also, it seems to be annoying at least a couple of gamergaters, so there's that. |
2015-05-01T15:30:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/30/announcing-the-we-hunted-the-mammoth-legal-fund-to-spite-the-honey-badger-brigade/comment-page-2/#comment-749084 |
samanthas, ugh, so sorry you've had to deal with all that shit, and glad you finally got the correct diagnosis. . Also, fatmax, I'm not sure what you're talking about. As a fat dude I really haven't had to deal with any of that from anyone other than MRAs, etc.I wasn't fat as a kid, so I didn't get bullied for that, but as an adult, aside from a few remarks from "concerned" relatives, and a couple of emails roughly 15 years ago sent by readers mad at something I wrote I've basically encountered zero fat shaming in my life other than the shit I get now from MRA types. . . I did go through a few years in my 20s in which I worried I was too fat, but that was inesecurity; it wasn't a response to anything anyone was saying to me. (And I wasn't actually fat then; I just wasn't the string bean I had been as a teenager.) Every woman I know, and not only the fat women, have dealt with orders of magnitude more fat shaming than me. And as much shit as I get from MRAs now about it I would get a many times more if I were a woman. |
2015-04-30T23:49:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/30/janet-bloomfield-attacks-alleged-feminist-terrorism-evidently-unbothered-by-comment-promising-vengeance-against-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-748834 |
autosoma, I deleted one of your comments. I know what you meant, but it could have been misread (or deliberately misrepresented) by some hostile MRA type. | 2015-04-30T18:02:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/30/janet-bloomfield-attacks-alleged-feminist-terrorism-evidently-unbothered-by-comment-promising-vengeance-against-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-748722 |
Visceria, sorry to hear you and the bf were laid off! Isadore, it's a little confusing. sometimes the HBB pretends that the only HBs are the women who actually appear on their terrible radio show, and the rest of them (including those who engineer the show and do graphics and actually go to Calgary with them to hassle feminists) somehow aren't HBs. Other times I've seen them all claimed as HBs. |
2015-04-30T16:52:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/30/announcing-the-we-hunted-the-mammoth-legal-fund-to-spite-the-honey-badger-brigade/comment-page-1/#comment-748690 |
Marinerachel, yes. One of my "attorneys" is quite fond of Temptations, and both love to poop! | 2015-04-30T15:06:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/30/announcing-the-we-hunted-the-mammoth-legal-fund-to-spite-the-honey-badger-brigade/comment-page-1/#comment-748651 |
Thank you generous fighters for "freedom" and "justice!" So far I have raised $340.05, an internet cat monocle, and a picture of monopoly money, which is approximately $340.05, an internet cat monocle, and a picture of monopoly money more than anticipated! Only 39,659.95 to go! | 2015-04-30T15:03:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/30/announcing-the-we-hunted-the-mammoth-legal-fund-to-spite-the-honey-badger-brigade/comment-page-1/#comment-748649 |
anonymous, no not directed at you at all! I let through a comment from a Roosh fan called anonz that you might not have seen; that's who I was addressing. | 2015-04-28T17:50:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/28/roosh-v-seduced-and-abandoned-by-the-dr-oz-show/comment-page-1/#comment-747793 |
anonz, I'm no fan of Dr. Oz, but that doesn't make Roosh or his post today any less ridiculous. | 2015-04-28T17:38:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/28/roosh-v-seduced-and-abandoned-by-the-dr-oz-show/comment-page-1/#comment-747785 |
I got recognized on the street once. They yelled out "hey there's the guy that stole my wallet!" (Not actually true.) |
2015-04-27T17:14:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-34/#comment-747446 |
I don't see the problem with the coin question. Everyone knows that coins are alive and reproduce. | 2015-04-27T14:51:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/27/rare-photo-of-dude-that-shows-up-with-three-dozen-friends-every-time-someone-posts-about-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-747383 |
Niras. I had seen something suggesting that Jenner was sticking with "he" for now, not that it was just for the interview, but what I saw was vague and what you've got seems a lot more definitive. I'm still a bit confused as to whether Jenner wants to be called "she" now, or only after the next interview, or some formal announcement, but I will rework my post. Thanks. | 2015-04-27T11:55:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/26/another-idiot-mra-bruce-jenner-is-transitioning-because-kardashian-women-make-millions-flashing-tits-and-arse/comment-page-1/#comment-747317 |
I haven't caught up with this thread yet but wlindsaywheeler is getting a nice little forever ban. | 2015-04-26T19:58:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/25/vox-day-to-david-pakman-gamergate-is-about-the-right-of-gamers-and-game-developers-to-be-immune-from-criticism/comment-page-3/#comment-747133 |
Jenora, yeah, I just noticed that and added a bit about that in the post. Presumably he realized -- or people told him -- that it was a little misleading given the amount of wiggle room that Vox gives himself in the interview. Sarah, interesting! and interesting to see even some of his fans admit that was not a glorious performance from Vox. I might have to do another post on it; there's a lot of nonsense in there to unpack. |
2015-04-24T18:24:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/24/did-vox-day-gamergate-r-and-sci-fi-douchebag-just-confess-to-serial-rape-on-the-david-pakman-show/comment-page-1/#comment-746250 |
sn0rkmaiden, I'm doing a post on the return of kings contingent at the white power convention. It's amazing a) that they've chosen to link themselves to an honest-to-goodness SPLC-labeled hate group and b) that naso's behavior EMBARRASSED THE WHITE POWER DUDES. They also made a point of calling him "swarthy" and "questionably white." | 2015-04-23T02:01:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/22/mgtow-warns-women-by-supporting-gay-rights-youll-turn-more-men-gay-and-then-they-wont-marry-you-ha-ha/comment-page-2/#comment-745559 |
IBB is banned for homophobia, rape apologia, probably five other things I haven't seen yet since I'm not caught up on the thread. Sorry I didn't get to him sooner; I was, er, napping. (My sleep schedule is very weird.) Thanks to the commenter who emailed me! | 2015-04-21T22:21:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-24/#comment-745035 |
wwth, you are correct! | 2015-04-21T15:42:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/21/the-parable-of-the-cupcakes-and-the-male-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-744744 |
how is it a good idea to change the conversation from True’s misogynist actions to his apparently-disordered thinking?I'm not trying to change the conversation away from misogyny. I'm trying to understand what is going on with him, and I don't think it's helpful to ignore one possible explanation for *some* of what is going on. Much of what he's said and done is the sort of stuff we regularly see from MRAs, though perhaps in a more grandiose form. But when the police arresting him say, as they did, that he seemed completely detached from reality to the extent of having lost his sense of time, there's obviously something beyond male entitlement going on here. It is not unreasonable to suggest that he might have been on drugs; it is also not unreasonable to suggest it might have been, say, mania. His stuff about his professor "ghost-writing" his faux thesis could be deliberate and somewhat ironic overstatement; it could also be a real delusion. I agree that this discussion is taking place "within a social structure that handles mental illness very poorly." But one of the ways in which this society handles mental illness badly is attributing symptoms of mental illness to drugs. I know someone who had a very scary manic episode -- scary in the sense that he was endangering his own life and safety, not anyone else's. At one point he ended up running from a police officer. The officer assumed he was on drugs. Luckily the officer brought him back to the hospital he had run from rather than arresting him, and my friend was able to get the help he needed. Again, we don't know what's going on with Jeremiah True, but I don't think we should rule out all talk of mental illness because some people other than us have shitty beliefs about mental illness. Mental illness is clearly NOT the whole story here but it could be a part of it. That said, there's not much we can say about the mental illness angle at this point other than "it might be part of the story." His misogyny, the similarity of his bizarre beliefs and grandiosity with a lot of what we see from MRAs every day --- these and other things relating to misogyny we CAN say a lot more about. |
2015-04-19T22:46:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/19/the-latest-on-jeremiah-true-accused-groper-mra-god-and-self-proclaimed-most-powerful-man-in-the-free-world/comment-page-1/#comment-743933 |
I agree that "Loopier than a bowl of fruit loops," not helpful. Please don't. That said, given the bizarre nature of much of what he's done and said, as well as his apparent disconnection from reality at the time of his arrest, I think we can admit the possibility that he may have undergone a psychotic break, or that he was undergoing a manic episode. Or that there is some other psychiatric issue here. It is ableism to call someone who is behaving like an asshole "crazy." But there is more going on here than someone being an asshole. Drugs may have played a role, but we can't at this point rule out psychiatric issues as being part of the story, especially given that his disordered thinking has lasted a lot longer than the duration of an acid trip. I say this not to stigmatize anyone dealing with, or who has dealt with, mental illness. I was disgusted to see, in the wake of the Germanwings crash, various media outlets speculating on whether or not we should ban those getting treatment for depression from flying planes. But as someone who has been dealing with mental illness in the form of depression for years I know that depression doesn't just affect mood; it distorts thinking. So does schizophrenia; so does mania. It distresses me how quickly so many people jump to mental illness as an explanation when someone does something awful. But I don't think it helps anyone to deny that there are times when it really does affect what people think and do. Whether that's the case here we don't know, but it is possible. |
2015-04-19T21:49:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/19/the-latest-on-jeremiah-true-accused-groper-mra-god-and-self-proclaimed-most-powerful-man-in-the-free-world/comment-page-1/#comment-743907 |
talbotfish, because he rails against "political correctness" so often? There's no reason for him to use the term,and he seems to be using it incorrectly as a synonym for people who present as male, i.e. cis and trans men. | 2015-04-19T21:25:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/19/the-latest-on-jeremiah-true-accused-groper-mra-god-and-self-proclaimed-most-powerful-man-in-the-free-world/comment-page-1/#comment-743895 |
I'm the winner! | 2015-04-18T16:59:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/18/we-hunted-the-mammoth-responds-to-4-12-hours-of-honey-badger-videos-about-calgaryexpo/comment-page-1/#comment-743589 |
I've been listening to "what is love" since I put up this post. 43 minutes so far. Anyone want to try to beat that? | 2015-04-18T16:14:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/18/we-hunted-the-mammoth-responds-to-4-12-hours-of-honey-badger-videos-about-calgaryexpo/comment-page-1/#comment-743569 |
Please, no more on the mental health issue. We've had this discussion many times, and it's not productive to continue it. I think most people here would like to move on. | 2015-04-18T16:11:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/17/that-ex-reed-student-who-wouldnt-shut-up-about-rape-has-been-arrested-for-sexual-abuse-harassment/comment-page-2/#comment-743568 |
Oh, and venny, here's a video that I think addresses all your concerns. Make sure to watch the whole thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktbhw0v186Q |
2015-04-18T14:49:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/17/rape-joke-loving-honey-badgers-booted-from-calgaryexpo-highly-ironic-tweets-ensue/comment-page-2/#comment-743538 |
venny, you're tedious, so here's a little challenge: from now on (until I change my mind) your comments have to contain a specific response to something someone else has written (and a quote from them) and cannot contain links to videos that are more than an hour long. If not, I won't let them through. Who wants to bet that venny doesn't even see this comment and keeps on posting as before? |
2015-04-18T14:40:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/17/rape-joke-loving-honey-badgers-booted-from-calgaryexpo-highly-ironic-tweets-ensue/comment-page-2/#comment-743534 |
Cthulhu's Intern, thanks for that, I just did a quick post on it. I'll happily give you credit in the post for bringing it to my attention if you'd like. | 2015-04-17T18:48:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/17/rape-joke-loving-honey-badgers-booted-from-calgaryexpo-highly-ironic-tweets-ensue/comment-page-1/#comment-743110 |
charleswheeler, either that or the entire rest of the post is the quote ... and it still hasn't come to an end! Oh, ok, I'll fix it. Thanks! |
2015-04-17T17:41:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/17/rape-joke-loving-honey-badgers-booted-from-calgaryexpo-highly-ironic-tweets-ensue/comment-page-1/#comment-743084 |
Ok, can someone explain the mice thing because that sounds impossible to me, though admittedly I'm not a biologist? | 2015-04-16T21:20:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/16/women-are-ruined-by-23-in-most-cases-especially-if-they-went-to-college-red-pillers-agree/comment-page-1/#comment-742762 |
Well, I don’t think this (Frankly ridiculous) notion represents evo psych as a whole.I certainly hope that's the case. But I've run across a lot of this sort of nonsense from people who are big names in the field. The textbook Roosh is quoting is by David Buss, who AFAIK is a very big name in the field. Is there are newer generation of evo psych people challenging this stuff? |
2015-04-15T22:03:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/15/pickup-guru-roosh-v-women-who-cut-their-hair-short-are-committing-self-harm-and-should-be-monitored-by-authorities/comment-page-1/#comment-742398 |
I want to thank everyone who shared their story here; it's brave and I hope it has been at least a little cathartic.So, so sorry that any of you had to go through what you did. . I knew intellectually that this shit was common, and I've heard similar stories from some of the women I've known, but reading so many stories here, and on the original Reddit thread, really brings home how pervasive and how destructive this shit is. Also, because reasons, I think, sadly, that you are right. No kid would come up with that on his own. |
2015-04-15T03:11:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/11/in-creepy-reddit-megathread-thousands-of-women-recount-the-first-time-they-were-perved-on-by-a-grown-man/comment-page-3/#comment-742016 |
Ninjaed by brooked! . Obviously I agree with pretty much all of that. FWIW, I *do* consider myself a feminist, but, yeah, I don't try to pretend that I'm an expert on feminism or on women's experience, because I'm not. I have learned a hell of a lot more about feminism by writing/researching this blog (and by reading the comments here, and by talking to feminist writers, etc). . Oh, and the bit about "even for a guy like me" in my last comment was me trying to say that dealing with MRA assholes can be wearying for guys, even though we get much less harassment than women, and so I can only imagine how draining it would be for a woman, who would obviously have to deal with much more harassment and bullshit. . I do plan to write a book, but a book-sized project is a bit more intimidating than writing a post or two. Even though I write more than a book's worth of stuff in the form of blog posts every year. |
2015-04-15T02:54:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/13/vox-day-wrote-lyrics-for-an-early-nineties-industrial-dance-band-theyre-just-awful/comment-page-2/#comment-742014 |
Thanks, everyone, for the nice comments. For what it's worth, I don't think NPS is a troll, exactly; her earlier comments seemed sincere. About what she wrote, I'm acutely aware that if a woman were to write a blog like this she would get easily ten times the harassment I've gotten. Actually,that estimate is probably way too low. I'm not sure why that's an argument against me doing the blog, though. I think the blog serves a useful purpose, lots of other people, most of them women, think the blog serves a useful purpose. Dealing with MRA assholes and the like all the time, even just reading their crap on a regular basis, can be pretty wearying, even for a guy like me; a woman doing a blog like mine would would have to have a much stronger constitution than I've got, because the amount of shit the MRAs etc would throw at her would be so much greater than what they throw at me. |
2015-04-15T02:26:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/13/vox-day-wrote-lyrics-for-an-early-nineties-industrial-dance-band-theyre-just-awful/comment-page-2/#comment-742012 |
Wait, King Tut was a stegosaurus? | 2015-04-15T01:55:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/13/vox-day-says-his-totally-not-racist-comments-have-been-taken-out-of-context-in-context-theyre-even-worse/comment-page-3/#comment-742005 |
Damn, none of the TV shows I want to recommend were from 2014. Black Mirror is new to us here in the US, but ran from 2011-2013 in the UK. The Returned, the original one is too old, the American version too new. 12 Monkeys is 2015. But I have some movies to nominate: Best SF movie: Lucy (I know, it's very silly, but it was entertaining) and Under the Skin (was in some 2013 film festivals but wasn't released commercially until 2014). Yes, they both star Scarlet Johansson. Worst SF film, though I suppose some people wouldn't call it that, Left Behind. (but it was entertaining; I love bad Nicolas Cage movies) I have to admit, though, that there are still lots of horror/SF films from 2014 I haven't seen yet. Most of those I have seen from 2014 were kind of meh. |
2015-04-15T00:58:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/14/announcing-the-serious-kitten-speculative-fiction-awards-post-your-nominations-below/comment-page-2/#comment-741992 |
Glad to see all these nominations! Feel free to nominate more than one book/person/etc per category; the main reason for this is to let people know about good stuff. I'll add a Best SF game category. And if you think there are some nominees on the Sad Puppies slate who don't deserve to be lumped in with them, I can bend the rules and allow them, or maybe set up another category for them.. MrFoster, I have mixed feelings about Helix. I've watched a bunch of this season (haven't watched the first one) and more or less enjoyed it, but, yeah, it's ridiculous in a lot of ways. And its use of music is probably the worst I've run across ever, especially when they try to use it in a comic or ironic way. |
2015-04-14T17:05:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/14/announcing-the-serious-kitten-speculative-fiction-awards-post-your-nominations-below/comment-page-1/#comment-741865 |
So I'm not allowed to hate the shitheads I write about on this blog? How does that even work? | 2015-04-14T06:22:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/13/vox-day-wrote-lyrics-for-an-early-nineties-industrial-dance-band-theyre-just-awful/comment-page-1/#comment-741542 |
In the early 90s raver types were obsessed with fractals. Though evidently Mr. Sebastien wasn't obsessed enough to learn how to pronounce Mandlebrot's name correctly. (The t isn't silent.) | 2015-04-13T19:54:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/13/vox-day-wrote-lyrics-for-an-early-nineties-industrial-dance-band-theyre-just-awful/comment-page-1/#comment-741361 |
On the neanderthal thing, I ran across a small group of far-rightniks online a couple of years ago who claimed they could tell how much neanderthal that people today have in them by looking at photos of them. They all were sure they were part-neanderthal themselves and therefore superior. | 2015-04-13T19:46:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/13/vox-day-says-his-totally-not-racist-comments-have-been-taken-out-of-context-in-context-theyre-even-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-741353 |
To be fair, there was a recent reality show about women who wanted to be nuns; I watched an episode or two. One of the women seemed to really think that hunky Jesus was her boyfriend. | 2015-04-13T03:19:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/12/when-jesus-returns-will-hordes-of-jealous-women-falsely-accuse-him-of-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-741028 |
tralala, thank you for your link, too! I just did a post on it. I'll happily give you credit in the post if you'd like. | 2015-04-11T20:21:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/10/a-voice-for-men-considers-embracing-a-pedophile-sorry-ephebophile-they-once-denounced-as-a-gq-magazine-secret-agent/comment-page-2/#comment-740446 |
Deezers, thanks for the links, which inspired the post I just put up. I'll happily give you credit in the post if you'd like. | 2015-04-11T17:33:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/10/a-voice-for-men-considers-embracing-a-pedophile-sorry-ephebophile-they-once-denounced-as-a-gq-magazine-secret-agent/comment-page-2/#comment-740393 |
ninjaed! | 2015-04-10T14:33:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/10/plate-sextonics-your-crockery-related-red-pill-questions-answered-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-740000 |
wwth, I'm imagining you putting pics of your plates on Facebook and your cat sitting at a laptop diligently "liking" them all. | 2015-04-10T14:32:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/10/plate-sextonics-your-crockery-related-red-pill-questions-answered-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-739999 |
An actual conference! Woah! . I have to confess I'm crap at organizing things, but if you all are serious about doing it I'm happy to support, sponsor, publicize, speak at, etc. I'll think a bit about people it might be worthwhile to approach about speaking at it. |
2015-04-09T05:21:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/07/mens-rights-redditors-unimpressed-by-a-voice-for-mens-conference-speakers-appalled-by-the-cost/comment-page-2/#comment-739423 |
Ah he probably did mean the cashier. | 2015-04-08T22:42:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/08/on-cucumbers-carrots-and-prehensile-breasts/comment-page-1/#comment-739335 |
Oh, here are some cat-pouncing gifs that help to underscore my points. http://i.imgur.com/AfNIxfQ.gif http://media.giphy.com/media/138pUPO2BTHWh2/giphy.gif http://i.imgur.com/xqGkX.gif https://cdn.andrewlorente.com/30a0ce91cb33539c639cc15a835d04a61bd28681 |
2015-04-08T21:18:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/08/pickup-artistry-is-like-waggling-your-penis-in-front-of-a-cat-explains-pickup-artist-who-may-not-have-ever-met-a-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-739295 |
Sweet dreams, me! Try not to dream of thisI am sorry. Here's a kitty? . https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5b/0a/64/5b0a6410d289de885d781221a9971adc.jpg |
2015-04-06T18:49:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/06/uppity-women-want-to-make-ejaculating-into-someones-coffee-count-as-actual-criminal-sexual-conduct/comment-page-1/#comment-738381 |
flagalicious, thanks! Elam's actually not that shy about the G word, because as he sees it it means "woman centric" so complaining about it isn't anti-woman in his view. He mentions it a couple of times in the announcement, including right after the bit I quoted: More succinctly, we are talking about gynocentrism — the powerful human drive to protect and provide for women, to put them first at all times and at all costs, even when doing so is detrimental to both sexes. It is a vital conversation. We cannot limp forward as a society on concerns for only one sex, just as we cannot advance as two equal sexes by continuing to address the problems of only one of them. To row ahead instead of going in circles we must have both oars in the water. This exploration is tough ground because it requires us to examine how gynocentrism has impacted and derailed the discussion on sex and power; how it has, in fact, done nothing more than paint a new face directly on the problems we set out to fix. We will have to examine the clear constitutional violation of male-only selective service, male-only socially and legally sanctioned genital mutilation, the criminal sentencing disparity, male exclusion from reproductive rights and a host of other issues at which we find gynocentrism squarely at the core. |
2015-04-06T18:19:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/06/paul-elam-manages-to-snag-paul-elam-as-a-speaker-for-upcoming-a-voice-for-men-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-738369 |
The “once you take the red pill, you make less money" logic is that men won't have to earn as much money because they won't be paying for dinner with women, buying women expensive jewelry, etc. | 2015-04-06T15:37:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/06/paul-elam-manages-to-snag-paul-elam-as-a-speaker-for-upcoming-a-voice-for-men-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-738313 |
Ok, the anti-antifeminism one does make sense; it's just a needlessly confusing way to make a pretty basic point. And, yeah, the mildew one seems to be a joke, albeit a terrible one; I didn't realize that he'd posted it before, and he probably didn't realize it either. There are a few others that make a little bit of sense (the first one, the one about provoking feminists, maybe one or two more). But Fidelbogen is pretty much the least competent propagandist the world has ever seen. Also, why does he need to wear that hat in all his videos? Is he recording them all in an unheated basement? | 2015-04-05T18:09:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/05/misogyny-is-secondary-misandry-and-other-perplexing-insights-from-non-feminisms-philsopher-king/comment-page-1/#comment-737983 |
Inger, hmm, I actually didn't write that -- I checked and found it in a blog post an MRA wrote about me -- and it's not the sort of thing I would write. I'm not even quite sure what it means. I do my bit to chip away at misogyny, but I'm not really much of a fan of grand "schemas" for eradicating patriarchy or anything else. Well, grand schemas for eradicating actual diseases maybe. | 2015-04-05T17:31:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/david-futrelle-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-737970 |
Sorry, WWTH, didn't mean to put words in your mouth. . Nick, as you know I used to be fairly hands-off with trolls, which led to a lot of what you're talking about in the comments here, but I've got a lot less patience for them now. In this particular case, I don't think Mitchel is trolling. If it turns out he is I won't hesitate to ban. |
2015-04-04T19:32:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/03/randi-harper-gamergate-critic-and-anti-online-harassment-activist-was-swatted-last-night/comment-page-2/#comment-737613 |
I think he's referring to me. | 2015-04-04T18:55:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/10/feminists-give-up-your-misandry-accept-that-women-are-inferior-and-oh-this-mra-rant-gets-worse-much-worse/comment-page-10/#comment-737597 |
Nequam, that *was* a bit ... harsh. But you're right, it's definitely time to open an open thread, and so I did. | 2015-04-04T18:51:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/04/vox-day-christians-need-to-follow-the-lead-of-gamergate-and-the-spanish-inquisition-to-defeat-seculars-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-737593 |
I understand why some people here are giving Mitchel the side-eye, but I don't think he's digging in; I think, as Shalimar says, he's responding to stuff he hasn't considered before, and he's been willing to reconsider his reactions in response to other commenters here.. While I'm happy to ban trolls as soon as they cease being amusing (or if they're unamusing from the start), Mitchel doesn't seem to be trolling or sea-lioning. | 2015-04-04T18:31:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/03/randi-harper-gamergate-critic-and-anti-online-harassment-activist-was-swatted-last-night/comment-page-2/#comment-737583 |
Paradoxical Intention, thanks, I've been meaning to put up a link to crashoverride for a while. Just added one to the sidebar. | 2015-04-03T18:57:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/03/randi-harper-gamergate-critic-and-anti-online-harassment-activist-was-swatted-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-737148 |
It sounds to me like somthsomth does have some sort of issue with being disgusted by sex; it's hard to tell if it's rooted in misogyny or if he's just framing it in a misogynistic way. I mean, is he really grossed out by the fact that another guy has kissed a woman he's kissing or is he just grossed out by kissing? Red Pill dudes are pretty much the last people on earth he should be asking for advice on this. | 2015-04-03T16:36:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/03/women-are-like-dogs-that-eat-their-own-puke-a-lesson-in-tolerance-from-the-red-pill-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-737080 |
suffrajitsu, I really don't see how she's going to eat all that. | 2015-04-02T16:36:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/02/a-voice-for-men-celebrates-jello-as-the-dessert-of-choice-for-rape-joke-lovers/comment-page-1/#comment-736675 |
The Great Pacific Garbage Patch is good. I mean, it's not literally a giant patch of garbage you can, you know, stand up on. But there are giant blobs of garbage that form in it, often around old fishing nets, and they could sort of float on those. | 2015-04-01T23:56:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/01/4-uninhabited-islands-that-pickup-guru-and-wannabe-island-nation-founder-roosh-v-should-consider-moving-to/comment-page-1/#comment-736399 |
Bye, Paul. Banned. I used to hate banning people. Not so much any more. Anyway, I'm just now catching up on this thread. Yipes. Obviously no one is entitled to sex, whether or not they're married. Everyone has a right to say no to sex for any reason they want. But I certainly understand her being upset at her husband when he tells her her that he's no longer attracted to her because she's put on weight. Yes, oftentimes people use anger to pressure and/or control their partners, but I'm pretty sure that anyone in this woman's situation would be upset and, yes, angry. I mean, when you marry someone you kind of hope they will stay attracted to you -- even if you get wrinkles, grey hair, or put on weight. So what do they do about it? You can't force someone to find you attractive, and if a lack of attraction is the problem viagra isn't going to help. But there are lots of reasons for loss of libido. Yes, he may simply not be attracted to her any more, But it's also possible that he's angry at her for gaining weight, because, I dunno, he feels he can't show her off in front of his friends any more. Maybe he's dealing with the side effects of some other meds. Maybe he's depressed. Hell, for all we know maybe he just has less of a sex drive than she does and he was overcompensating for this earlier in their relationship when they were having sex all the time. We don't know. But the fact is that as the situation stands (or at least stood when she wrote her comment) neither one is happy. Both care about each other and are willing to make some efforts to make it work. Viagra isn't going to do it, and I wonder a bit at a doctor who would prescribe that for a relatively young guy. But counseling certainly could help -- and they should each get individual counseling as well. I don't think it's coercive to ask him to go to counseling. If they can't fix their sex life, well, they may need to go their separate ways. There are certainly couples who have perfectly happy sexless relationships, but generally not if one of the two wants to be having sex with the other one and the other one doesn't. |
2015-04-01T23:45:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/31/woman-oppresses-husband-by-getting-fat-mens-rights-redditors-outraged/comment-page-3/#comment-736395 |
Oh, and thanks for the suggestions of other islands, everyone. I might do an extended version of this post as a sort of resource for MGTOWs who can't figure out where exactly to GO. . | 2015-04-01T20:12:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/01/4-uninhabited-islands-that-pickup-guru-and-wannabe-island-nation-founder-roosh-v-should-consider-moving-to/comment-page-1/#comment-736303 |
kirbywarp, I have to confess I thought that was funny too. It may be literally the only funny thing he's ever said or written. | 2015-04-01T20:09:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/01/4-uninhabited-islands-that-pickup-guru-and-wannabe-island-nation-founder-roosh-v-should-consider-moving-to/comment-page-1/#comment-736300 |
jfwlucy, I fully support your proposal. | 2015-04-01T17:35:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/01/4-uninhabited-islands-that-pickup-guru-and-wannabe-island-nation-founder-roosh-v-should-consider-moving-to/comment-page-1/#comment-736217 |
1) Men HAVE killed women in the name of hating feminism; see Elliot Rodger and MontrealWell, yes, but they haven't killed ALL women. Therefore men love women! That actually seems to be his argument. reymohammed, I'm 99.9% sure it's real. There were a bunch of magazines like this in the 50s, with similar contents and very similar "macho man in peril" covers. |
2015-03-31T18:49:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/31/feminists-the-fact-we-havent-killed-you-means-we-dont-hate-women-extremely-creepy-dude-explains/comment-page-1/#comment-735663 |
Balthy, her explanation of the fake Valenti quotes is that she was, in her words, "creating a Poe of Valenti." You know, "creating a Poe," which is totally a thing and is somehow not lying. Of course, many of her readers think that the fake Valenti quotes are totally real. And she keeps reposting them. |
2015-03-31T15:31:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/31/feminists-the-fact-we-havent-killed-you-means-we-dont-hate-women-extremely-creepy-dude-explains/comment-page-1/#comment-735592 |
Thanks, everyone! Glad you enjoy the blog, though enjoy may not be the best word for it a lot of the time. davidgerard, I've thought about a Patreon, will def. look into it futher. Amy, weird. I'll do a bit more poking around to see if that's what's been happening to other people, or if it's just that their payment info was out of date or something. I wouldn't think the fact you;re in the UL would have anything to do with it, as Paypal generally handles currency conversion w/ no problem. PussyPowerTantrum, you right, of course. As much shit as a I get from these guys it's only a fraction of what a woman would get doing the same blog. FunknJunk, no prob, Chuy needs $. I have no idea if he can win but I am really going to enjoy voting against Rahm. davidknewton, sorry but i can't promise I will never resort to sparkly gifs again. |
2015-03-31T03:11:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/29/thank-you-thank-you-thank-you/comment-page-1/#comment-735310 |
I really don't know what point JB is trying to make. She posted the same pic, or a similar one, on Twitter at one point. | 2015-03-30T16:12:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/30/a-voice-for-menners-attack-one-woman-for-her-topless-pics-then-defend-another-woman-for-her-topless-pics/comment-page-1/#comment-734973 |
The Buzzfeed thing is hilarious because they're acting like Buzzfeed hired her to write it. It's just one of their "community" postings, that anyone could make. I think my cats have done a couple. | 2015-03-30T16:09:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/30/a-voice-for-menners-attack-one-woman-for-her-topless-pics-then-defend-another-woman-for-her-topless-pics/comment-page-1/#comment-734971 |
Puahater is mad that I banned him for advocating government-sponsored mandatory rape of all women. Or all attractive women, I don't remember. Well, he's mad that I banned him, anyway, and doesn't seem to have noticed the comment in which I announced it. | 2015-03-29T09:11:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/28/the-cuckunist-manifesto/comment-page-2/#comment-734351 |
I see, so if a man suffered emotional stress for being mocked for being insufficiently masculine/heterosexual, that’s “aggrieved entitlement,” huh?No. The things I described as "aggrieved entitlement" are "aggrieved entitlement." |
2015-03-28T18:37:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/28/male-rage-aggrieved-entitlement-and-andreas-lubitz/comment-page-1/#comment-734045 |
Two correct answers on the Mario Savio quote. Of course that was one of the only parts of the manifesto that didn't contain multiple references to "cucks" and "betas" and "Chad." | 2015-03-28T17:35:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/28/the-cuckunist-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-734010 |
puahater: sorry, dude, but if you're going to advocate government sponsored rape, I'm not going to be letting your comments through. | 2015-03-28T17:28:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/27/internet-incels-celebrate-andreas-lubitz-the-alleged-killer-co-pilot-of-germanwings-flight-9525-as-a-legitimate-slayer-and-an-incel-hero/comment-page-2/#comment-734006 |
Rich, so you didn't read the rest of the post, huh? | 2015-03-27T19:29:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/26/when-mens-rights-activists-celebrate-male-rage-they-make-murdersuicides-like-the-one-that-may-have-brought-down-germanwings-flight-9525-more-likely/comment-page-3/#comment-733530 |
Thanks, Scott, typo fixed. Thanks, Aunt Edna. | 2015-03-26T15:49:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/26/when-mens-rights-activists-celebrate-male-rage-they-make-murdersuicides-like-the-one-that-may-have-brought-down-germanwings-flight-9525-more-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-732713 |
We don’t know if this was a murder/suicide, and if it was, it seems to me significantly different from premeditated, planned massacres with guns, especially those targeting women.It's true that we don't know for sure it was deliberate -- hence my use of terms like "alleged" -- but from the news accounts I've seen and what the French prosecutors are saying, it certainly sounds as though it was. But if it was deliberate, it was by definition a murder/suicide, the deliberate killing of all those on the plane including the co-pilot himself. We don't know the motive, but I'm not sure why that would make it different than premeditated. planned massacres. It's seems highly unlikely that someone would do this on the spur of the moment, or out of anger at some person on the plane. Also, at this point, the guys name is out there, as is the photo; I have MSNBC on at the moment and that picture was on screen 30 seconds ago. |
2015-03-26T11:45:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/26/vox-day-could-andreas-lubitzs-murdersuicide-by-plane-been-prevented-if-the-sluts-of-the-world-were-a-little-more-equitable-in-their-distribution-of-blowjobs/comment-page-1/#comment-732572 |
I haven't caught up with the rest of the comments here, but I see you all have discovered Vox Day's terrible post; I just did my own post on it. | 2015-03-26T11:03:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/25/reed-college-vs-the-dude-who-wouldnt-shut-up-about-rape/comment-page-3/#comment-732529 |
sonnysombrera, I wasn't thinking of you! I don't even remember that incident. And I'm not even sure we've seen this sort of thing in the comments here. What I was thinking of is the sort of thing I know I've seen elsewhere, which is people defending the use of the c-word because "everyone says it" in the UK. That sort of thing. I should say that a lot of the stuff in the comments policy I'm working on is NOT a direct response to anything that has happened here. Some is a response to stuff I've seen elsewhere online and that I'd like to avoid happening here. |
2015-03-26T07:48:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/25/reed-college-vs-the-dude-who-wouldnt-shut-up-about-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-732435 |
Kirby, you were fine. I'm working on a new comments policy that I think will take some of the pressure off of commenters here who would like to be able to gently inform new commenters about things like internet diagnoses of mental illness without having it turn into an endless argument. Here are the relevant sections of it; let me know what you all think: Avoid using words like “crazy.” “insane” and the like to describe the terrible ideas and actions of people you don't like. It's stigmatizing to those dealing with mental illness, who really don't need the extra indignity of being compared to MRAs. Try using words like “ridiculous” or “absurd” or “terrible” instead. Try to avoid internet diagnoses of mental illness, and don't use autism or Aspergers as an excuse for someone's shitty behavior.... You don't have to be perfect to comment here. As Katherine Cross has noted, very few people arrive “fully formed to the world of activism, the perfect agents of change, somehow entirely cognisant of the ever shifting morass of rules and prescribed or proscribed words, phrases, argot, and thought.” Still, if you're new here, or new to feminism, and the regulars here are telling you to avoid certain words, or pointing out something that you're doing that's problematic, don't take it as a personal attack. If they tell you to avoid particular language, uh, avoid using that language, and don't explain that in your country calling a person a something-or-other is perfectly fine. You don't have to agree with all the rules and/or cultural norms here; but while you're commenting here you need to respect them. If you think a rule is really, really wrong or ridiculous, don't argue about it in the comments; send me an email about it. (And if you're a regular who's informing a newbie of the way things are done here, send them to this comment policy, and be as gentle as you can with them, at least as long as they seem willing to learn and adapt. If they really dig in their heels, send me a note.) |
2015-03-26T06:16:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/25/reed-college-vs-the-dude-who-wouldnt-shut-up-about-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-732412 |
Mike, thanks, I fixed the link. | 2015-03-25T13:08:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/25/karen-girlwriteswhat-straughan-accuses-ex-avfmers-of-using-nude-pics-to-try-to-lure-her-away-from-avfm/comment-page-1/#comment-731973 |
Wait, what criminal acts does Perrins think Sharlet committed? I'm pretty sure writing an article that shows the AVFMers as the creepy assholes they are is not a criminal offense. Nor is bringing a friend to a conference. | 2015-03-25T13:07:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/24/spermjackers-free-bleeders-and-beard-hating-feminazis-the-united-anti-feminist-coalition-fights-the-real-enemies-of-men/comment-page-3/#comment-731972 |
Bodsworth, outstanding work, as always! weirwoodtreehugger, on the Valenti thing. What's so ridiculous about that is that MRAs are always attacking feminists for allegedly focusing only on "first world problems." Valenti was talking about subsidizing tampons for women in developing countries who are too desperately poor to afford them. She was doing what MRAs accuse feminists of never doing, and they attack her for it. |
2015-03-24T22:25:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/24/spermjackers-free-bleeders-and-beard-hating-feminazis-the-united-anti-feminist-coalition-fights-the-real-enemies-of-men/comment-page-2/#comment-731640 |
Bina, yeah, I picked this particular Adam and Eve painting because Adam looked creepy and Eve looked creeped out, which made this Adam the perfect Adam to have Roosh's head grafted onto him. | 2015-03-24T10:36:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/24/spoke-once-the-woman-and-the-man-bent-over-his-knees-in-order-to-please-a-strange-sermon-from-return-of-kings/comment-page-1/#comment-731272 |
It occurs to me that I actually do have a chicken recipe that I make all the time. 1) Buy rotisserie chicken for $6 at the grocery. ta da! The main course for more than one dinner, cheap! | 2015-03-22T23:36:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/22/men-fight-the-seductive-succubi-eager-to-harvest-us-for-our-resources-with-this-tasty-chicken-recipe/comment-page-1/#comment-730436 |
FWIW, I was never an MRA or anything even remotely close to one -- and it was the editors of The Reader who gave my letter than headline, not me. I wrote that thing 11 years ago, and was kind of embarassed by it almost as soon as it was published. Not so much by the basic point of the letter -- that it was a bit silly for a specialized bookstore to try to keep a general bookstore from opening up nearly a mile away -- but by the snotty tone and the not-a-feminist line, which was barely true when I wrote it, and which I reconsidered fairly quickly. | 2015-03-22T19:18:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/david-futrelle-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-730337 |
Thanks, Sarah, and everyone else who's donated or will donate! Thanks also to those who decided to tackle that tl;dr screed! | 2015-03-22T19:10:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/20/donate-please-the-we-hunted-the-mammoth-first-quarter-2015-pledge-drive-is-upon-us/comment-page-1/#comment-730331 |
Thanks, everyone! (Well, maybe not QNgm305.) It really means a lot to me; I appreciate every donation, and everything else you folks do that contributes to this blog and this community. | 2015-03-21T19:55:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/20/donate-please-the-we-hunted-the-mammoth-first-quarter-2015-pledge-drive-is-upon-us/comment-page-1/#comment-730095 |
Thanks, Hambeast and Amy and everyone else who's donated so far! Samantha, sure, donate whenever you can! I probably should have scheduled this for earlier in the month. |
2015-03-20T18:12:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/20/donate-please-the-we-hunted-the-mammoth-first-quarter-2015-pledge-drive-is-upon-us/comment-page-1/#comment-729751 |
It almost kinda seems like he just made up a fancy reason to behave like a jerk, doesn’t it?This is a pretty accurate description of the MR movement overall. |
2015-03-13T17:37:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/13/yelling-at-people-on-the-internet-is-our-activism-a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-declares/comment-page-1/#comment-727170 |
Hmm. I guess that might be more of an Australian accent. | 2015-03-11T16:34:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/11/totally-authentic-and-not-at-all-fake-leaked-footage-from-the-sarkeesian-effect-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-726396 |
So many great suggestions. I especially like Brozen and 27 Dress Shirts That Look The Same | 2015-03-10T16:02:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/10/why-stop-with-an-all-male-re-reboot-of-the-all-lady-ghostbusters-here-are-20-more-dude-ified-versions-of-female-centric-films/comment-page-1/#comment-725988 |
WWTH, exactly. What the hell. This is shitty. I'm banning Tahuri. The idea that posting "she should die in a gas ahower" (which is the actual meaning of what was posted) isn't harassment if it's not posted directly to Sarkeesian is ridiculous. Even if it is never sent to her it's taking place alongside massive harassment and legitimizes the harassment. And when graphics like those are posted I guarantee that someone and probably a lot of someones are sending those to Sarkeesian directly. Also, when it comes to threats, out of sight is not out of mind. If someone talks about how person x deserves to die, etc, it is in the best interests of the safety of person x that person x know that this is being said. That's why telling people to block their harassers is such worthless advice. Also, Facebook is entitled to ban people for posting this shit, and has in fact said that it will ban shit like this. It's not an abridgement of free speech for Facebook to not give a platform for threats or hate speech. |
2015-03-08T19:14:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/06/is-this-anti-semitic-cartoon-of-anita-sarkeesian-harassment-or-legitimate-criticism-youll-be-surprised-by-the-answer-these-dudes-gave/comment-page-3/#comment-725175 |
Sorry, Shaenon! I actually have the Aurini book -- well, the Kindle "sample" of it you can download for free on Amazon. I tried reading it, but it was a lot more tedious than entertaining. A lot of really detailed and gratuitous description. I will give it another look; this is the sort of sacrifice I make in order to do this blog. Since it's Aurini, there may be some inadvertently hilarious nuggets buried in there. |
2015-03-07T17:38:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/06/the-top-8-most-cringeworthy-moments-from-the-auriniowen-chat-logs-sarkeesian-effect-breakup-part-3/comment-page-3/#comment-724804 |
Elam claims to hate "traditionalism" and traditional women. But he also hates most "untraditional" women, especually any woman who seems even a little bit feminist. That doesn't leave a lot of women left except the "honey badgers." Yet the highest profile AVFM woman at the moment is "Janet Bloomfield," who actually DOES expect her husband to pay for everything. | 2015-03-07T16:13:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/07/mens-rights-leader-gynocentric-females-are-lazy-prostitutes-with-smelly-vaginas-who-assault-men-with-their-cleavage/comment-page-2/#comment-724780 |
Oops. I meant to schedule this post for later in the morning. But I guess it's ok if you read it now. | 2015-03-07T05:24:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/07/mens-rights-leader-gynocentric-females-are-lazy-prostitutes-with-smelly-vaginas-who-assault-men-with-their-cleavage/comment-page-1/#comment-724571 |
OMG, Aurini is wearing Bert's white turtleneck! | 2015-03-06T10:29:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/06/the-top-8-most-cringeworthy-moments-from-the-auriniowen-chat-logs-sarkeesian-effect-breakup-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-724139 |
For those who want more than just a skull: http://theworstthingsforsale.com/2015/02/27/shadow-the-skeleton-dog/ I'm not completely sure it's medically accurate, though. |
2015-03-04T19:16:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/04/the-top-11-most-unintentionally-hilarious-youtube-comments-about-the-sarkeesian-effect-breakup/comment-page-1/#comment-723426 |
Tracy, so sorry to hear about your cat. Glad this was able to cheer you up a bit. Mike, THAT'S THE PICTURE i WAS LOOKING FOR!! i'm going to replace the one I've got with it. Thanks! It is odd that Roosh was the trigger for Owen's realization that he was working with a racist, woman-hating shitstain. How he somehow managed to miss this in the first place I'll never know. |
2015-03-03T21:15:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/03/breaking-gamergate-breakup-news-jordan-owen-has-fired-davis-aurini-from-thesarkeesianeffect/comment-page-1/#comment-722961 |
I just did a post on the Owen//Aurini breakup! It's very musical, as you'll see. | 2015-03-03T11:26:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/02/if-they-only-had-some-sense-a-voice-for-men-gets-the-wizard-of-oz-backwards-memesplaining-2/comment-page-2/#comment-722734 |
M, yeah I think that's allowable. | 2015-03-03T09:42:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/03/hes-the-worlds-worst-mens-rights-activist-mras-and-feminists-agree-but-what-he-says-isnt-that-different-from-mainstream-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-722687 |
Sam, the good news is that, as far as I know, he's in Germany, and Australia won't let him back in. His wife, last I heard, was in another European country that also won't let him in. He also recently spent time in a German jail for, I believe, overstaying his visa. So authorities on at least 2 continents are aware of him. | 2015-03-03T09:40:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/03/hes-the-worlds-worst-mens-rights-activist-mras-and-feminists-agree-but-what-he-says-isnt-that-different-from-mainstream-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-722686 |
I don't know what was written on the AVFM page, but the Wizard of Oz books WERE intended at least in part as an allegory of gilded age politics, the "free silver" movement/populism. I don't remember the details, but there's probably some web page out there that explains it all. | 2015-03-02T22:08:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/03/02/if-they-only-had-some-sense-a-voice-for-men-gets-the-wizard-of-oz-backwards-memesplaining-2/comment-page-1/#comment-722510 |
Ugh. I've deleted anonymous' comments and banned them, and will put quartzkitty on moderation. | 2015-02-28T03:59:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/25/the-5-creepiest-details-from-gqs-long-awaited-account-of-a-voice-for-mens-conference-last-summer/comment-page-4/#comment-721340 |
Oy. I guess all the AVFMers are going through the childhood pics that someone in my family (not even sure who) posted on Facebook. (JudgyBitch posted one of them on her blog recently in order to suggest that I looked like a gay cannibal who was recentely arrested in Canada. I do not see any resemblance.) There's one class pic featuring me in 5th or 6th grade. I have no idea how anyone could tell much of anything about me from it, much less decide that I must have been abused (which I wasn't). Oh, AVFMers, you are creepy shitheads. | 2015-02-27T20:19:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/27/pickup-guru-heartiste-launches-innovative-well-youre-ugly-and-you-cant-get-laid-campaign-against-feminists/comment-page-2/#comment-721166 |
Alpaca-colored. | 2015-02-27T00:09:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/26/a-voice-for-men-paul-elam-and-pals-rebut-gq-article-depicting-them-as-creepy-misogynists-by-acting-like-creepy-misogynists/comment-page-2/#comment-720614 |
That dude's shirt is white and white-in-bad-lighting. | 2015-02-26T23:28:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/26/a-voice-for-men-paul-elam-and-pals-rebut-gq-article-depicting-them-as-creepy-misogynists-by-acting-like-creepy-misogynists/comment-page-2/#comment-720596 |
Obviously, the dress looks purplish blue and gold, but is probably white and gold in bad lighting. Slugs are vegetables. Oh wait I'm thinking of broccoli. | 2015-02-26T23:26:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/26/a-voice-for-men-paul-elam-and-pals-rebut-gq-article-depicting-them-as-creepy-misogynists-by-acting-like-creepy-misogynists/comment-page-2/#comment-720593 |
Oh, but I should add that I think what you said is very much applicable to the real FeMRAs who were there. | 2015-02-25T17:58:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/24/woman-who-text-men-on-their-birthdays-are-wicked-mindfckers-who-get-off-stringing-betas-along-says-pua-doucheburger/comment-page-2/#comment-720000 |
I've got a new post up about the GQ piece. Sarity, Blair isn't a FeMRA; she's a writer and, as far as I can tell, a feminist, she went to the conference with Sharlet out of curiousity and was horrified: https://twitter.com/BlairBraverman/status/570234551777107968 I think the guys there simply decided that she was a "red piller" because she came to the conference and they really wanted to believe she was on their side. |
2015-02-25T17:57:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/24/woman-who-text-men-on-their-birthdays-are-wicked-mindfckers-who-get-off-stringing-betas-along-says-pua-doucheburger/comment-page-2/#comment-719991 |
Integral, I bet that's it. Buttercup, you should (I mean, if you want to) let the Buzzfeed reporter know about that. | 2015-02-24T17:10:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/24/plot-twist-brianna-wus-gun-loving-car-flipping-gamebro-stalker-is-actually-a-trolly-comedian-who-now-claims-hes-being-harassed/comment-page-1/#comment-719575 |
He doesn't deserve to be harassed. He deserves to be in jail. Brianna Wu is not exactly in a forgiving mood, nor should she be: http://jezebel.com/man-who-terrorized-brianna-wu-for-months-says-he-was-ju-1687689719 | 2015-02-24T16:16:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/24/plot-twist-brianna-wus-gun-loving-car-flipping-gamebro-stalker-is-actually-a-trolly-comedian-who-now-claims-hes-being-harassed/comment-page-1/#comment-719546 |
Oops, yeah, Matthew was banned. I won't let any more comments from him through. | 2015-02-24T14:52:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/23/they-want-every-man-cuckolded-as-it-undermines-the-patriarchy-and-sets-up-a-matriarchy-where-men-are-simply-drones-and-other-insights-on-feminism-from-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-719510 |
Okey dokey, I let his comments through, and I'll keep doing so unless/until they get too tiresome.That is, assuming my screwy internet connection doesn't give up on me entirely. (BRB, restarting router.) | 2015-02-19T12:45:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/18/criticized-for-posting-a-puffball-interview-with-pua-dirtbag-roosh-v-paul-elam-reassures-readers-he-knows-how-to-get-his-dick-wet/comment-page-1/#comment-717939 |
Christopher Allman (not the guy with the kid, the other one) has tried to post a couple of comments defending Elam. He's on moderation (for tediousness and overposting the last time he was here) but if anyone feels like arguing with him I can let the comments through. I won't let him take over the thread. | 2015-02-19T10:38:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/18/criticized-for-posting-a-puffball-interview-with-pua-dirtbag-roosh-v-paul-elam-reassures-readers-he-knows-how-to-get-his-dick-wet/comment-page-1/#comment-717888 |
A comment I didn't let through:
He didn’t admit to rape, he said by the stupid American laws he did.Even if it weren't rape by Icelandic standards, it is rape by the standards of US law, and Roosh is still AFAIK an American citizen. I believe that American sex tourists can be tried under American law for expoiting children under the 18 (through prostitution etc), and I believe it doesn't matter if the age of consent was lower in the country the sex tourist is visiting. (I don't think US citizens can be charged with rape abroad if the victim is over 18.) But hey, here's a more important point: it WAS RAPE by Icelandic standards too. Here's the relevant ICELANDIC law: "Any person who has sexual intercourse or other sexual relations with a person by means of using violence, threats or other unlawful coercion shall be guilty of rape and shall be imprisoned for a minimum of 1 year and a maximum of 16 years. ‘Violence’ here refers to the deprivation of independence by means of confinement, drugs or other comparable means. Exploiting a person’s psychiatric disorder or other mental handicap, or the fact that, for other reasons, he or she is not in a condition to be able to resist the action or to understand its significance, in order to have sexual intercourse or other sexual relations with him or her, shall also be considered as rape, and shall result in the same punishment as specified in the first paragraph of this article."Source: http://eng.innanrikisraduneyti.is/laws-and-regulations/nr/119 I found this quote and link on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2m0nui/roosh_v_opens_a_gaming_site_i_have_no_words/clzyslx |
2015-02-18T15:41:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/17/pickup-guru-roosh-v-end-rape-by-making-it-legal/comment-page-3/#comment-717534 |
I modded a couple of comments because even purely rhetorical violent comments aren't allowed. But the anger is completely understandable. contrapangloss, I think if spiders really did wear little hats I would be much less twitchy about them. |
2015-02-17T19:39:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/17/pickup-guru-roosh-v-end-rape-by-making-it-legal/comment-page-1/#comment-717126 |
We may need some more cute animals, because I just put up a new post that's kind of horrific. | 2015-02-17T17:47:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/17/attila-vs-the-lynch-mob-cult-savages-a-case-study-in-twitter-activism/comment-page-2/#comment-717052 |
Dodom, no, those are just the other people in the twitter conversation. In a lot of the cases here they are other people from AVFM. If you're looking at the original comments on Twitter (rather than out of context here), it's generally clear from context which specfic person he's insulting. | 2015-02-17T12:30:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/17/attila-vs-the-lynch-mob-cult-savages-a-case-study-in-twitter-activism/comment-page-1/#comment-716921 |
Bodsworth, wait, are you actually Ian Ironwood? Is the whole thing some kind of long-con troll job? That would explain a lot. His stuff always seems too ridiclous to be real. | 2015-02-16T23:29:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/16/no-vagina-on-the-planet-will-give-you-superpowers-and-9-other-baffling-manosphere-memes-from-the-mind-of-ian-ironwood/comment-page-2/#comment-716715 |
Who else would be running it? Is it a serious possibility that someone else is pulling strongs behind the scenes?That's not what I meant. What I was alluding to is that officially the site no longer belongs to Elam; he handed off "ownership" of the blog to Erin Pizzey. But it's still "hosted" by AVFM and I think it's pretty obvious that Elam is still running the show. |
2015-02-16T12:05:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/16/a-voice-for-mens-fake-whiteribbon-org-site-proudly-reposts-an-article-on-domestic-violence-plagiarizing-from-amanda-marcotte/comment-page-1/#comment-716409 |
I love birdrightsactivist https://twitter.com/ProBirdRights My other favorite parody Twitter account is this Richard Dawkins parody account: https://twitter.com/RlCHARDDAWKlNS Make u think! |
2015-02-14T00:11:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/13/david-futtreele-has-never-been-laid-before-or-ever-will-and-other-insights-from-a-voice-for-mens-biggest-fan/comment-page-2/#comment-715341 |
It's weird how preoccupied they are with what they imagine my sex life is like. Either I'm scamming on "coeds" (as WF Price once decided because I gave a talk at a university) or I'm a virgin. They are basing this on literally no information (b/c I don't put that information out there). | 2015-02-13T19:18:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/13/david-futtreele-has-never-been-laid-before-or-ever-will-and-other-insights-from-a-voice-for-mens-biggest-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-715219 |
Oh, also, it's not a troll. It's from an MRA blogger I wrote about once a year or two ago. (His blog isn't around any more.) | 2015-02-13T19:11:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/13/david-futtreele-has-never-been-laid-before-or-ever-will-and-other-insights-from-a-voice-for-mens-biggest-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-715211 |
I agree, frootloopsie. It took me a couple of tries to get all the way through this one, but I think it's worth it. There are a lot of little gems in it, including some amazing stuff about energy radiating out of Paul Elam (and the letter writer) that attracts the ladies, while women run from me; Elam as MLK, etc, |
2015-02-13T19:09:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/13/david-futtreele-has-never-been-laid-before-or-ever-will-and-other-insights-from-a-voice-for-mens-biggest-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-715208 |
I think it's a real video that's trying and failing to be funny.. That is, the aspects of it that are supposed to be funny -- the woman's name, that she's a professor of womanly studies, etc -- aren't, while lots of the things that aren't supposed to be funny are. Obvously the descriptions of women as mysterious creatures are tongue in cheek. The trouble is that it's equally obvious that to gamestop's management and some of its staff women really are mysterious creatures. The promotion mentioned in the video -- where you can get a subscription to Cosmo or some other women's magazine (they also include smart money, presumably in case some man takes advantage of the offer) -- was real; when I was looking around to see when it was made I ran across an article on it. |
2015-02-13T19:02:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/13/leaked-gamestop-training-video-explains-mysterious-women-to-confused-male-staffers/comment-page-1/#comment-715205 |
sn0rkmaiden, oops, you're right. BRAD DOES NOT KILL THE DOG. He kills himself, which makes a lot more sense; in real life a lot of male "revenge" shootings of women they're stalking end in murder-suicide. (I don't remember the stats, but murder-suicide is overwhelmingly a male crime.)
In my defense, that passage is very confusingly written. Here's Roosh's full description of the murder/suicide:
He pulled out his gun from the duffel bag. He ran up to Katie and grabbed her shoulder, spinning her around as she yelled out “Get off of me!” The last thing she saw was a shaking gun pointed at her chest. Her phone fell first onto the pavement, then the leash, and then gravity finally brought her body down to earth. The dog started barking at Brad, whose only thought was how little blood there was. He put the gun to his temple, closed his eyes, inhaled deeply, and squeezed the trigger. The dog went silent, laying next to its master, waiting for her to wake up. |
2015-02-13T13:42:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/12/rooshs-revenge-fantasy-the-pickup-artist-and-gawker-media-hater-writes-a-short-story-about-the-murder-of-an-sjw-blogger/comment-page-2/#comment-715018 |
Heh. I studied Russian for three years in high school. I never even remotely understood the various cases, and can only remember a few words. I don't even remember the full alphabet. I really, really hated my Russian teacher. (I sort of got stuck in the class against my will.) |
2015-02-13T13:19:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/13/welcome-my-new-imaginary-russian-friends-someone-bought-me-another-5000-fake-twitter-followers-today/comment-page-1/#comment-715000 |
I think Roosh specifies that the boss is gay and South African to make sure we know that The Denouncer is his version of Gawker, which is run by a gay British guy. Not sure why he threw in the "fiery Filipino ladyboy lover" except to make the boss seem extra eeeeeevil, at least to the sort of people who read his terrible blog. | 2015-02-12T16:36:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/12/rooshs-revenge-fantasy-the-pickup-artist-and-gawker-media-hater-writes-a-short-story-about-the-murder-of-an-sjw-blogger/comment-page-1/#comment-714486 |
It’s supposed to be a sympathetic character and he shoots the dog, too?Well, it IS a LITTLE dog. You know, the kind that only women and gay guys (and, presumably, gay guys who date "fiery" trans women for some reason) like. |
2015-02-12T16:30:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/12/rooshs-revenge-fantasy-the-pickup-artist-and-gawker-media-hater-writes-a-short-story-about-the-murder-of-an-sjw-blogger/comment-page-1/#comment-714481 |
Another public relations triumph for the MRAs: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/a-voice-for-men-founder-paul-elam-exposed-as-a-deadbeat-dad/story-fnixwvgh-1227215140110 | 2015-02-11T16:35:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/11/the-ridiculous-mens-rights-activists-on-last-nights-parks-and-rec-nowhere-near-as-ridiculous-as-real-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-713691 |
After doing an actial search for "jerk off instructions serious" I see that it's a genre of porn in which a femdom orders a dude to jerk off. It's not clear how they got to WHTM from that search; at least on Google there's no link to here in the search results. My search for "jerk off instructions whimsical" did not return any useful links. | 2015-02-11T16:24:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/11/what-do-fatties-think-of-mgtow-and-other-search-term-queries-that-will-find-no-answer-on-this-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-713683 |
Ok, the link should be fixed now.( I swear I fixed it before! I must have pasted in the correct url and forgotten to hit the "update" button. Rargh.) | 2015-02-11T16:14:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/11/the-ridiculous-mens-rights-activists-on-last-nights-parks-and-rec-nowhere-near-as-ridiculous-as-real-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-713676 |
The real mystery w/ regard to Esmay's outfit: in some of the pics of the rally, he is wearing long pants. At some point during the rally, he changed into shorts. They were in a park. WHERE DID HE CHANGE? Or were they breakaway pants, you know like male strippers use? | 2015-02-11T12:15:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/11/the-ridiculous-mens-rights-activists-on-last-nights-parks-and-rec-nowhere-near-as-ridiculous-as-real-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-713503 |
I fixed the link to the Bloomfield video, thanks. If you haven't watched it, trust me, it's something! (And her segment is very short.) |
2015-02-11T12:13:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/11/the-ridiculous-mens-rights-activists-on-last-nights-parks-and-rec-nowhere-near-as-ridiculous-as-real-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-713502 |
Hmm. I sort of like giving Elam silly titles. But maybe "dear leader" isn't the best one to use. If I can come up with silly titles are cleverer than the ones the right-wingers use would that help? | 2015-02-10T10:14:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/10/the-most-a-voice-for-menny-a-voice-for-men-thread-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-712663 |
I want to second what Emily just said. And say as well that this is not an appropriate thread to discuss the Thread of Doom, etc, since it naturally brings up some animosities amongst commenters here and I would really like these personal threads to be supportive and free of these sorts of arguments. I know that many of the issues brought up in the ToD still need to be discussed, and as I think I've mentioned a couple of times, I'm working on a new comments policy to try to deal with some of these issues more explicitly. Before I post this new policy -- sometime in the next couple of days -- I will open a thread so we all can discuss all this in more detail. |
2015-02-08T21:50:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2015-cat-wearing-box-in-a-sink-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-711406 |
Well, Chris, no one rallied to your defense, so I'll ban you for being tedious and misspelling my name. | 2015-02-08T00:11:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/06/attention-buzzfeed-readers-heres-more-much-more-about-the-charming-paul-elam/comment-page-2/#comment-710795 |
duerstisms , do you decided to do the exact opposite of what i said? Ah well, enjoy your own blog then, you're boring everyone here with your super duper original arguments. . | 2015-02-08T00:01:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/03/someone-could-probably-write-a-masters-thesis-about-the-sexual-insecurities-on-display-in-a-voice-for-mens-memes/comment-page-5/#comment-710786 |
Isadore, I'm so sorry. | 2015-02-07T22:50:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2015-cat-wearing-box-in-a-sink-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-710744 |
duerstisms, your opinions aren't anywhere near as interesting as you evidently think they are. And pretty much everything you're posting makes me think of some belligerent drunk dude talking over everyone at a party. Be more interesting, or less belligerent, or I'm inclined to give you a timeout. | 2015-02-07T22:35:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/03/someone-could-probably-write-a-masters-thesis-about-the-sexual-insecurities-on-display-in-a-voice-for-mens-memes/comment-page-5/#comment-710736 |
In the comments below, I saw a bunch of reasonable, thoughtful men and women defending the movement. They were making rational, fair-minded points backed by evidence and reason.The funniest thing I've read all day! (Well, second funniest, maybe.) I'll go ahead and ban for tediousness and overposting, unless anyone really really wants to keep going with him. (Oh, I checked and he's not the guy with a kid. That was another guy named Allman,) |
2015-02-07T18:56:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/06/attention-buzzfeed-readers-heres-more-much-more-about-the-charming-paul-elam/comment-page-2/#comment-710534 |
Agreeing with those here who say this article is fundamentally different than Elam's campaigns of doxxing and harassment. Elam makes shit up about people and/or radically misrepresents things, and uses whatever he finds or concocts or simply thinks is true as fodder for harassment campaigns led by his own little army of assholes. Many of these people are not by any stretch of the imagination public figures. He went after one woman because she was caught on film at a demonstration (doing nothing but standing there) and because she make a joke tweet. "Big Red" has been harassed and mocked and threatened and turned into an internet meme because she yelled at Dan Perrins once at a demonstration and was caught on video. He went after another woman because he thought she wrote a blog bragging about trashing college applicatons from white dudes, even though it was obvious even to other MRAs that the woman had nothing to do with it. He's malicious, vindictive, has no regard for the truth -- and he has an army of assholes to do his harassing for him. Also thinking that the "cried like a baby" detail in the story is almost the only humanizing detail of anything I've ever read by or about him. |
2015-02-07T01:16:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/06/stop-what-youre-doing-and-go-read-the-buzzfeed-expose-of-a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-spoiler-hes-even-worse-than-you-think/comment-page-3/#comment-710028 |
I don't find the story about the medicine funny, at least if Elam is telling the truth about it, which given his track record is a real question. As he describes it his mother hit him repeatedly with a wooden spoon, which, if true, is abusive. I do hope that Susan and Bonnie (and the other ex-wife who talked to Buzzfeed off the record) will be ok. Elam is a vindictive shit with a little army of fanatical assholes. |
2015-02-06T10:55:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/06/stop-what-youre-doing-and-go-read-the-buzzfeed-expose-of-a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-spoiler-hes-even-worse-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-709445 |
I would love to hear his explanation for why the CIA funds the feminist movement.This is where it comes from: There was a period in the 50s and 60s when the CIA covertly funded some liberal but anticommunist organizations (and a literary magazine called Encounter), because they figured that promoting liberal anticommunism would help them fight communism. The people in these organizations didn't know about it; the money was funneled to them through foundations, etc. Since the CIA was funding the groups without the knowledge of those in the groups, it actually had no direct control over anything they did. What's the connection to feminism? In the late 50s,long before her emergence as a feminist, Gloria Steinem worked for a student group that was connected to one of these covertly funded groups and attended some communist student conferences in Europe on its behalf. The New York Times and Ramparts magazine uncovered and reported on the CIA's role in these groups in 1966/7, that is, before the start of 2nd wave feminism. Steinem, then a journalist, acknowledged in interviews in 1967 that she'd worked for the group. That's the whole story. The fact that one feminist, roughly a decade before she even became known as a feminist, worked without knowing it for a group that got covert funding from the CIA, is now seen as "proof" that "the CIA started feminism and funds it today." |
2015-02-05T22:34:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/05/alex-jones-mens-rights-activist-we-hunted-the-mastodon-to-feed-you/comment-page-1/#comment-708915 |
Also, everyone, watch the Alex Jones video I linked to about Mr. Pickles and his Satanic agenda! | 2015-02-05T20:16:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/05/alex-jones-mens-rights-activist-we-hunted-the-mastodon-to-feed-you/comment-page-1/#comment-708800 |
Shaenon, OMG, those little suffragettes (sorry, "suffergets") are aDORable! | 2015-02-05T20:14:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/05/alex-jones-mens-rights-activist-we-hunted-the-mastodon-to-feed-you/comment-page-1/#comment-708798 |
Mike, I did actually run an audit on Elam's Twitter account, and most of his followers, alas, are real. Everyone else: for more about Heartiste's thoughts on (cis) female anatomy, see my latest post. |
2015-02-04T13:51:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/04/did-a-voice-for-mens-deanesmay-and-jackbarnesmra-buy-thousands-of-fake-twitter-followers/comment-page-1/#comment-707718 |
Oh, also the reason he was fixated on Wu, I believe, is that some of the assholes who endlessly troll and harass him online convinced him that Wu shut down a live stream he was doing by reporting that he was doing drugs on it (apparently he was smoking pot). Obviously it wasn't her but one of the trolls posing as her; she didn't even know who he was at the time. I may be wrong, he may have already been fixated on her already, but I imagine that was also because of the dudes trolling him. |
2015-02-02T23:21:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/01/gamergate-may-be-fading-but-its-harassment-never-ends/comment-page-2/#comment-706272 |
David–would you please add “crazy” and “insane” to the comments policy? There’s a tiny chance it might stop one or two people from using it, and then threads would stop getting derailed every single time over language rules.I'm working on a new and radically revised comments policy -- I'll post a draft of it for discussion before putting t up. It will definitely contain stuff about language like "crazy." And Skirki is right, this guy is not actually a veteran. |
2015-02-02T23:15:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/01/gamergate-may-be-fading-but-its-harassment-never-ends/comment-page-2/#comment-706269 |
Well… the acting isn’t any worse than Birdemic.And the cinematography and sound were better. I mean, the sound wasn't great, but it was still better. It would have been great if everyone in the movie had been attacked by really bad exploding cgi birds about halfway through. To be fair, though, that's true of a lot of films. |
2015-02-02T23:00:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/02/new-red-pill-film-masterpiece-offers-devestating-criticism-of-women-who-grow-old/comment-page-2/#comment-706261 |
A woman with short black hair can become a woman with long, blond hair. It’s called cutting and dyeing.Oh, I know, I just thought it was a really ineffective way to try to make her look older (though the "old person" makeup at the end (for both her and her admirer) was so crappy I'm not sure they could have come up with anything better. The first time I watched this I didn't even realize at first that it was the same woman; I just wondered why they all had slavic accents. And it didn't help that the world of the future looked identical to the world of today. Unless, maybe, the vanishing family was teleported ouf of her apartment? Or maybe they were holograms? Maybe the future will look exactly like today except that we'll be able to visit our relatives holographically. |
2015-02-02T22:57:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/02/new-red-pill-film-masterpiece-offers-devestating-criticism-of-women-who-grow-old/comment-page-2/#comment-706259 |
On top of gamergate’s usual bullshit, you add a dysfunctional mental health care system, woeful support for wounded veterans, and the violence of the sustained injury in the first place.Except in this case, the guy in question isn't wounded (I don't think) or a veteran. He used to talk about how he wanted to join the marines, and would describe himself as a "future marine," though there is zero chance the marines would take him. Then at some point he started calling himself a retired marine. Then again he also sometimes refers to himself by the name of a fictional military commando he came up with, though I don't think he actually believes he's that guy and is probably roleplaying, sort of? On the mental health issue, in this case, it seems pretty clear that unless this guy is a really really committed troll he's dealing with some mental health issues. |
2015-02-02T02:51:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/01/gamergate-may-be-fading-but-its-harassment-never-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-705348 |
Everleigh Way, welcome! And thanks for the update. I just did a new post on Pogo's new claims; I can give you credit in the post for pointing me to them if you'd like, | 2015-01-30T21:28:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/29/trouble-internet-mashup-king-pogo-reveals-himself-to-be-a-misogynistic-douchenozzle/comment-page-3/#comment-703419 |
Owning cats is my go-to seduction move. | 2015-01-30T21:13:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/30/seduce-the-ladies-with-phone-chargers-calamari-and-toilet-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-703408 |
Huh, looking at his channel again I see he's taken down the video I linked to. But he also just uploaded another antifeminist one, and there's still another one up from earlier in the day. | 2015-01-29T22:34:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/29/trouble-internet-mashup-king-pogo-reveals-himself-to-be-a-misogynistic-douchenozzle/comment-page-1/#comment-702506 |
On the "envy" thing, I think he really does envy women this (imagined) privilege; for one thing, there's all his talk about how women need "discipline" at the hands of me. Also, that list of his is in a post with the title "Why We Should Envy Women” | 2015-01-29T22:22:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/29/trouble-internet-mashup-king-pogo-reveals-himself-to-be-a-misogynistic-douchenozzle/comment-page-1/#comment-702501 |
just curious- can anyone name ONE comedienne whose standup you would buy a ticket for?I love when trolls post "gotcha" comments like this. Amy Schumer Kristen Schaal Wanda Sykes Maria Bamford Megan Amramm (well, I haven't seen her standup but she's hilarious on twitter) Kathy Griffin Tig Notaro Morgan Murphy Amy Poehler Sue Murphy Elvira Kurt Rebel Wilson (more a comic actress than a standup, but she's hilarious on talk shows) Plus, you know, you don't have to be a standup to be funny as an actress (or as an actor). The original dudes in ghostbusters were known as comic actors, not standup comedians. The women who are being talked about for the new Ghostbusters, or at least the two whose work I know, are pretty funny. Kristin Wiig is great. None of this guarantees that the movie will be good, but that will have a lot more to do with the script and the director than the fact that women are in it. |
2015-01-28T18:21:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/28/the-top-3-reasons-the-all-female-ghostbusters-will-suck-according-to-some-dudes-who-hate-women/comment-page-2/#comment-701319 |
Seems like everyone's tired of Tom. I'm giving him a timeout, perhaps permanent. | 2015-01-25T21:46:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/24/the-british-teenager-who-tried-to-kill-3-women-because-no-one-will-date-him-has-fans-but-thats-not-the-scariest-thing-about-him/comment-page-5/#comment-698801 |
LouLou, how do you know it's him? (I mean, I have no trouble believing it's him but I don't want that sort of thing up in comments here unless there's some sort of evidence.0 | 2015-01-24T22:08:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/24/the-british-teenager-who-tried-to-kill-3-women-because-no-one-will-date-him-has-fans-but-thats-not-the-scariest-thing-about-him/comment-page-1/#comment-698023 |
Woah. Having been knocked out of commission for much of yesterday with another migraine I'm just catching up with this thread. I want to thank everyone for the civil tone and constructiveness that prevailed during much of the discussion here. But obviously the thread has taken a bit of a turn towards the nasty, and I don't want it to go down that road any more than most of you do.
I would strongly suggest that we table the discussion of biology and "trans privilege" at least for now, as it's mainly serving to make people on all sides of the issue angry and upset. I don't want to have to shut down another thread but if this one goes the way of the thread of doom I will.
I realize that there are a lot of issues about the way discussion takes place here that are still unresolved, and I think we probably need to talk about those things. But unless the issues are being talked about in a fairly meta way, as was the case with some of the earlier discussion in this thread, I'm not sure we can do that in anything other than a carefully moderated thread (and not just moderated by me). And not until things have cooled down a bit.
I also think that, at least for now, this is a discussion that we need to restrict to people who are at least regular readers of the blog -- and the comments. People who are not part of the community, especially those posting less-than-constructive comments, are not welcome. Just so you know, I have put Ally and Donna on probably permananent moderation, and will not be letting any of their comments through at least for the forseeable future. I am also not letting through comments by some on the other end of the spectrum who have shown up for the first time in the last day or so trying to post sniping comments.
I do want to get feedback from people who aren't part of the community who can add some perspectiive to the discussion. But only if they are here in good faith and interested in constructive debates.
I copied this comment from earlier in the discussion, though now I forget who said it:
What I hope moving forward is that I, personally, and hopefully the community as a whole can figure a way to navigate core belief-touching subjects in a way that honors and respects everyone involved.I really, really hope we can, but it's tough. I am sorry to see so many people leaving or contemplating leaving, and I hope at least some of you reconsider. I certainly understand some who simply want to take some time to clear their heads and wait for things to cool down. Unfortunately, at this point it is clear that no matter how the issues here get resolved, some people will be leaving. It is literally impossible to craft a solution that will make everyone happy. Thanks also to those who've been sending emails; I'm reading all of them, even if I haven't responded to yours yet. (Just so you know, I get migraines all the time, and have for about 25 years, they're not a result of this thread or the other thread. I have meds that help a lot but sometimes they don't help enough.) |
2015-01-24T12:01:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/19/paul-elam-youre-no-mlk-a-voice-for-men-offers-a-100-bounty-for-a-clear-photo-of-its-latest-feminist-foe/comment-page-8/#comment-697673 |
Oh, thanks to sunnysombrera, who posteed Jayme's first quote in another thread here. (Sunnysombrera, I'll happily add that to the post if you'd like.) And the pube guy apparently asked his fans on YouTube to send him their pubes (he does videos of himself making art on youtube, I guess). |
2015-01-22T12:54:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/22/women-joking-about-condoms-part-297-in-a-series-of-things-that-totally-oppress-men-for-real-no-im-serious/comment-page-1/#comment-695863 |
Oh, and thanks to those who have been emailing me; I've read all the emails, though I haven't gotten back to everyone just yet. And on the Kylagb thing, that's a little puzzling. I agree absolutely that we shouldn't pile on w/ new people who don't know the generally accepted practices here. But, like most of you, I don't think that's what happened here. I need to rewrite the comments policy to talk about this; maybe that'll help. |
2015-01-22T09:13:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/19/paul-elam-youre-no-mlk-a-voice-for-men-offers-a-100-bounty-for-a-clear-photo-of-its-latest-feminist-foe/comment-page-5/#comment-695676 |
Hey folks, I'm just now catching up with THIS thread and I'm glad to see so many positive comments, after the ugliness of that other thread. Kitteh has been in touch and says she's doing ok; I will be happy to pass along messages and/or email addresses to her if you want to stay in touch. I don't know if she's seen the comments in this thread but I'm sure she'll be heartened by the sentiments. I'm still trying to figure out the best way to move forward. I may want to open a thread to discuss better ways to handle the sorts of issues that led to this blowup, though I think we should probably wait a bit until things settle before doing that. In the meantime, if you have suggestions or concerns, or thoughts on what just went down, or my handling of it, or whatever, please email me. |
2015-01-22T09:05:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/19/paul-elam-youre-no-mlk-a-voice-for-men-offers-a-100-bounty-for-a-clear-photo-of-its-latest-feminist-foe/comment-page-5/#comment-695671 |
oops. I accidentally shut down comments for the new post, but you should be able to comment there now. | 2015-01-21T10:06:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/19/paul-elam-youre-no-mlk-a-voice-for-men-offers-a-100-bounty-for-a-clear-photo-of-its-latest-feminist-foe/comment-page-4/#comment-694694 |
Oops, I accidently shut down comments for this post. They're open again! | 2015-01-21T10:03:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/21/the-mens-rights-movements-ugliest-divorce-is-getting-uglier-by-the-day-and-funnier/comment-page-1/#comment-694693 |
This discussion is no longer constructive. I'm closing the thread. | 2015-01-21T09:13:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/16/the-new-statesmans-margaret-corvid-on-the-ways-misogyny-restricts-male-sexuality/comment-page-13/#comment-694656 |
(Just to clarify, that's a reference to several people whose first-time comments I haven't let through as well as to one who is pestering me about being banned.) | 2015-01-20T22:47:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/16/the-new-statesmans-margaret-corvid-on-the-ways-misogyny-restricts-male-sexuality/comment-page-12/#comment-694226 |
Note to people who haven't ever commented here before but who are now coming to comment in this thread: Nope. | 2015-01-20T22:42:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/16/the-new-statesmans-margaret-corvid-on-the-ways-misogyny-restricts-male-sexuality/comment-page-12/#comment-694217 |
Castle has been banned as a probable troll. | 2015-01-20T21:00:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/16/the-new-statesmans-margaret-corvid-on-the-ways-misogyny-restricts-male-sexuality/comment-page-12/#comment-694095 |
I've read through this thread, and I've read through the emails I've gotten as well, and here are my thoughts, at least what I'm thinking right now: This is a site about misogyny – in particular the “new misogyny” online. Generally speaking, we – myself and the community of commenters here, excluding trolls – have been able to put aside other differences of opinion (including some that are quite significant) because we share a common belief that the new misogynists are terrible. But obviously the issues that divide us come up in the discussion here. In some cases, we've more or less collectively decided to table certain discussions because they seem unproductive and sometimes a bit destructive – like, for example, some of the debates here between religious folk and atheists. Other issues, well, are still pretty contentious – sex work and pornography, for example. But I don't think – and I don't think that most people here think – that these issues should be off limits. (I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.) Generally speaking, I would like to avoid imposing ideological litmus tests for commenters. I would like rad fems and not-rad fems, atheists and religious folk, etc etc to be able to coexist at least mostly peacefully on this blog. But trans issues are different, and I think we do need a litmus test here. That is, transphobia is unacceptable. TERFs are not welcome here. (And though that term is sometimes misused, I don't consider it a slur any more than “homophobe” is.) And so I will be asking HumorlessRadFem, who does consider herself a TERF, to move on. And I will do the same for anyone who is, say, defending Cathy Brennan or Janice Raymond or others like them. I would like this blog to be a welcoming place for trans folk and to the degree that it is not I'm open to suggestions (public or private) on how best to fix that. At the same time, I hope that TERF will not be used as an epithet to shut down discussion. So far, I don't think it has been. Indeed, what is striking about this discussion, as I think kirbywarp said, is how much of it is about people not in the room. Unless I'm missing something, no one here is making a “cotton ceiling” argument, for example. Nor, unless I've missed something, is anyone here saying that the vaginas of trans women smell like rotten meat. I'm hoping that we can sort of de-escalate the discussion, dealing with what people are actually saying here rather than with what other people have said in other spaces. This discussion isn't over, but I hope it can become less nasty. And if any of you think there are other problems with how we here handle differences of opinion that need fixing, please let me know. It might be best to do this via email until things have cooled off a bit, at which point I will open a new thread for that discussion. A couple of other things: I won't be opening up another thread along the lines of what Ally suggested; I don't think that would be productive. Since kittehserf has taken a side in the controversy here, I think it's best to have her off of mod duties, at least until we have some of these issues resolved. I realize that there's no way of addressing the issues here that will please everyone. I know that some folks are talking about leaving; I hope they will reconsider. But I recognize that not all of them will. (If you're considering leaving, feel free to email me with any thoughts you don't want to share publicly.) And just a disclaimer: All of what I'm saying applies to those who are or who want to be part of the community here. It doesn't apply to trolls, MRAs and all of them. I let them post bigoted garbage because some of you like knocking them about a bit. And I will happily ban them if they overstay their welcome. Even if they're just being annoying or boring. I've been meaning to rewrite the comments policy for some time, as it doesn't fully reflect how weary I am of trollery. |
2015-01-20T19:37:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/16/the-new-statesmans-margaret-corvid-on-the-ways-misogyny-restricts-male-sexuality/comment-page-11/#comment-693968 |
Folks. I'm aware that this thread has raised a number of issues that I need to deal with. Unfortunately, due to some issues of my own (including migraine and internet connectivity problems), I haven't read enough of the thread to be able to make sense of what's going on much less decide on a course of action here. So bear with me as I try to catch up. And if any of you have concerns that you'd rather not discuss in public, feel free to email me with your thoughts; I will of course keep all these emails private. [email protected] | 2015-01-19T20:14:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/16/the-new-statesmans-margaret-corvid-on-the-ways-misogyny-restricts-male-sexuality/comment-page-11/#comment-693084 |
I am way way way behind on this thread, but GroundPetrel, I don't know if you're a troll or just annoying, but enough. Banned. | 2015-01-17T04:00:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/16/the-new-statesmans-margaret-corvid-on-the-ways-misogyny-restricts-male-sexuality/comment-page-8/#comment-690599 |
Let's not have this "debate" over abortiom in every thread. Right Wingnut, I'm putting you on moderation. | 2015-01-14T21:45:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/12/if-a-gamergate-r-plagiarises-the-john-birch-society-on-your-blog-and-no-one-notices-does-it-make-a-sound/comment-page-4/#comment-687803 |
Felix, thanks, I fixed it. That 38% of traffic from Brazil stat is a perfect example of why I DIDN'T use Alexa stats in my original post; they're not all that accurate. Looking at my actual traffic by country over the past year (well, for 2014), Brazil is actually the #16 source of traffic, not #2. The actual ranking is US, UK, Canada, Australia, Germany Sweden New Zealand ....and so on. Brazil comes in just after Japan. |
2015-01-13T11:31:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/13/unable-to-accept-that-my-sites-been-getting-more-traffic-than-his-avfms-paul-elam-takes-a-swim-in-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-685828 |
I haven't caught up with this thread yet but if anyone else is getting weird messages when they try to connect with whtm let me know. I did a search for the specific error message some people have gotten and it looks like it might actually have something to do with your date and time settings on your computer rather than with whtm? Or with the security certificate here? But I have to admit I don't quite understand the explanations of this error message I've looked at so far. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/oemail-osend/your-connection-is-not-private-error-while-logon/91dbc7a7-2243-4ddc-b747-302b15e9ff87 https://www.virtualmin.com/node/34048 https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chromebook-central/r4MmJYRkGIo In any event, it looks like whatever is wrong is not as serious as it sounds, and that it doesn't mean the site has been compromised. I recently changed my password, FWIW, and it's not something anyone could possibly guess. |
2015-01-09T18:09:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/08/roosh-vs-game-site-reaxxion-tricked-into-publishing-an-old-john-birch-society-pamphlet-as-a-gamergate-manifesto/comment-page-3/#comment-682857 |
Would you be prepared to debate Karen Straughan in an open debate?Would I have to listen to her talk, because if so, no. |
2015-01-09T04:51:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/08/roosh-vs-game-site-reaxxion-tricked-into-publishing-an-old-john-birch-society-pamphlet-as-a-gamergate-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-682407 |
Guy has articles going back to November though. Are you sure he’s a troll rather than a generic asshole plagiarist?Hmm. Maybe he IS a plagiarist and not a troll. Still pretty funny though! |
2015-01-08T20:02:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/08/roosh-vs-game-site-reaxxion-tricked-into-publishing-an-old-john-birch-society-pamphlet-as-a-gamergate-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-682132 |
Thanks, everyone. I'm fine. And I really did intend to have another post or two up on wednesday, but then my sleep deficit caught up with me. There will be posts tomorrow. Or at least one, because I'm just finishing it. |
2015-01-08T01:55:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/07/im-still-here-new-posts-later-today-in-the-meantime-here-are-some-cats/comment-page-1/#comment-681478 |
Just to be clear: WJ is banned. These days when I put someone on moderation, they're more or less the same as banned unless they're modded for merely being tedious, in which case they may get a troll challenge. In this case I said "moderation" b/c I hadn't yet had a chance to go back over all of WJs comments but now that I have, well, he's banned.
Are we allowed to say that someone sounds like a rapist? To ask why he’s so invested in defending rapists? To say we would not feel safe alone with him?Yes to all of these things. Yes to saying that certain arguments send up red flags for you. Yes to the sort of thing that Cassandrakitty said in the part of her comment that I left up. Yes to any number of similar ways of raising your concerns about a person. What I would ask is that you not more or less directly accuse someone who's commenting here on this blog of committing a serious crime, unless you have specific evidence of that. The same applies to speculation about the personal lives of people commenting here. There was some speculation about Janet Bloomfield's parenting skills or possible lack thereof in a previous thread; it got some pushback from other commenters, and I agree with those who thought it was inappropriate. In retrospect I should have probably stepped in and possibly deleted some comments on that. This doesn't apply if someone has incriminated themselves. I have no problem with people saying that Roosh, by his own admission, is a rapist because, by his own admission, he has engaged in activities that would be considered rape in the US, ergo he's a rapist. And if someone says something disturbing about how they treat their kids (or some other aspect of their personal life), then that's fair game as well. Absent evidence of wrongdoing, we should focus on people's arguments and not what we think they may have done. If you think someone is a piece of shit rape apologist, say that. If what they're saying raises red flags for you, say that. I need to do a thorough rewrite of the comments policy. Not just (or even mainly) because of this but because I'm a lot more inclined to ban trolls now than i have been in the past and the policy doesn't fully reflect that at the moment. |
2015-01-06T13:28:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-9/#comment-680397 |
I'm certainly not saying I know better than anyone here how to spot predators and/or rapists; I don't. My issue isn't whether the speculation is correct or not; there are a lot of rapists out there, and I would agree that a larger than average portion of those who make arguments like this are probably rapists. I would just rather not have this sort of speculation in the comments on the blog when it involves someone posting here about whom we know nothing beyond what what they've written. Especially if there is a chance they're posting using their real name or an identity that can be connected to them in real life. (Speculation about public figures is obviously fine.) If a troll is setting off alarm bells to you, please contact the mods (the mail also goes to me) and I will happily ban them. |
2015-01-06T11:15:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-9/#comment-680344 |
Reading back through the comments I've seen several that are insinuating (or that could be read as insinuating) that WR is making this argument because he's a rapist. That sort of speculation is inappropriate on this blog. I've removed the offfending portions of several comments along those lines. | 2015-01-06T04:03:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-9/#comment-680159 |
wj, this is not a productive discussion. Move on. I'm putting you on moderation. | 2015-01-05T03:47:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-9/#comment-679415 |
Like I said, I'm not proud of the letter, but I don't think anything I said in it was the equivalent of gay jokes or calling the owners fat ugly spinsters. Still, mentioning a widely disliked feminist (Dworkin) was probably a bit dickish; my line about choice definitely was.. | 2015-01-04T12:58:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/david-futrelle-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-678704 |
Yeah, I wrote that. (I didn't write the obnoxious headline.) I'm not proud. But for what it's worth my time as a "lapsed feminist" didn't last much beyond the time it took to write that letter to the editor; I was mostly annoyed that the only bookstore for literally miles around (and one that is definitely not a general interest bookstore) was trying to keep other bookstores out of the neighborhood. As it turns out, the Borders did open up (about a mile away). And then a couple of years later Borders went bankrupt and that store shut down. Women and Children First is still plugging away. Aside from this brief lapse I've basically seen myself as a feminist since, i dunno, my freshman year in college? But honestly it wasn't something I thought about all the time. It only became a giant part of my life *after* I started this blog; running it has made me much more of a feminist than i ever was before it, and I've learned a lot from the experience -- not just from tracking misogynists but from the readers of the blog and the other feminist writers I've gotten to know. |
2015-01-03T17:16:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/david-futrelle-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-678082 |
Yeah, he's one of those Sovereign Citizen/Freeman of the land types. For awhile he was offering "strawman recapture services" which is evidently a special way to change your name that these guys think means you don't have to follow any laws. | 2015-01-02T16:19:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/02/peter-andrew-nolanc-warns-women-who-comment-on-his-facebook-ripoff-site-that-he-just-might-kill-them-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-677315 |
Policy of Madness, I think he's legitimatley dangerous, and I'm very glad that he's not allowed in the same country as his ex-wife. He's been tossed out of a number of countries actually. Hopefully he'll eventually end up on some desert island where the only other inhabitants are crabs. | 2015-01-02T16:17:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/02/peter-andrew-nolanc-warns-women-who-comment-on-his-facebook-ripoff-site-that-he-just-might-kill-them-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-677314 |
andiexist, she did get temporarily suspended for those tweets; the real question is why they unsuspended her. I have profoundly mixed feelings about twitter; I think it's great in a lot of ways but they REALLY need to get better about policing harassment. |
2015-01-01T14:17:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/01/janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-tries-to-lie-her-way-out-of-a-twitter-suspension-heres-proof-of-her-targeted-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-676733 |
Ooh, thanks for all the videos! I don't remember who posted it, but prisencolinensinainciusol is one of my favorite songs ever; it's got a great "these boots are made for walking" groove and the pseudo-American English gibberish lyrics are brilliant. | 2015-01-01T13:56:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/31/new-years-eve-and-day-open-thread-80s-dance-party/comment-page-2/#comment-676724 |
Tesformes. he tells that story in a bit more detail in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeAsSgPBmO0 Glad you folks are enjoying his music, I only just ran across him and ... it's really interesting stuff. Not at all the novelty music one might expect. There is a LOT of weird and obscure and awesome music on YouTube if you start poking around. And welcome, mouse farts! |
2014-12-30T23:11:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/30/jazz-bagpiper-rufus-harley-a-man-who-really-did-go-his-own-way/comment-page-1/#comment-675532 |
Dave, I really really hope you don’t mean by this that you would ever pressure a woman to have an abortion because birth control failed and you don’t want children.Absolutely not! I originally was going to put something about that in the post. Basically, I only date women who don't want children with me any more than I want children with them – and who are either strong abortion supporters or unable to have kids. I'm also a big fan of using multiple forms of birth control. |
2014-12-24T18:18:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/24/antifeminist-instigator-and-serial-liar-janet-judgybitch-bloomfield-attacks-jessica-valenti-for-having-the-abortion-that-may-have-saved-her-life/comment-page-1/#comment-671570 |
Congrats inurashii! | 2014-12-24T18:04:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/24/holidaze-open-thread-with-kitties/comment-page-1/#comment-671563 |
alaisvex, I'm almost positive that was GWW. | 2014-12-24T00:31:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/23/my-seed-has-too-much-dignity-to-be-in-the-company-of-the-rest-of-useless-humanity-and-other-insights-on-marriage-from-infowars-com/comment-page-4/#comment-671013 |
I haven't caught up completely on this thread, but I've banned ManWalk for being a deliberately annoying twit. Also, because he sockpuppeted before as "Castle" (and at the time denied being a sockpuppet). | 2014-12-24T00:30:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/23/my-seed-has-too-much-dignity-to-be-in-the-company-of-the-rest-of-useless-humanity-and-other-insights-on-marriage-from-infowars-com/comment-page-4/#comment-671012 |
David, is there any way to find out how many of those are unique visitors to each site?Well, on my stats the darker blue portions are uniue visitors. The average number of pages the average reader looks at changes month by month; it's lower when traffic surges. Lately it's been averaging a bit more than 3 pageviews per visitor; before the surge this year it was higher. FWIW, Alexa thinks that AVFM gets 6 pageviews per visitor; I don't know if that's accurate -- Alexa's estmates for pageviews per visitor for WHTM, for example, are lower than they really are according to my actual stats. But if he's getting this many pageviews per visitor his audience (at least for AVFM) is much smaller than mine, though more engaged. By which I mean they're a relatively small group of fanatics who devote all their time to his site and/or their own online "activism." That makes sense to me. |
2014-12-22T23:25:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/22/merry-christmas-paul-we-hunted-the-mammoth-is-drawing-more-traffic-than-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-2/#comment-670051 |
Oh and haters take note: My cat Pantz is a tenured professor of Fluffiness at the University of Chicago (for Cats). Sweetie Pie Jonus is an adjunct professor of standing on me while I try to sleep, but she can't remember what school she works for, or much of anything.. | 2014-12-22T20:06:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/22/did-devious-feminists-scare-janet-judgy-bitch-bloomfields-literary-agent-into-dumping-her/comment-page-2/#comment-669924 |
Oh, by the way, I'm going to doxx myself. Right here. Right now: My real name is David Futrelle. And I like kitties. | 2014-12-22T20:03:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/22/did-devious-feminists-scare-janet-judgy-bitch-bloomfields-literary-agent-into-dumping-her/comment-page-2/#comment-669921 |
The drama never ends! Now she's announced that in light of her agent returning she's not going to release her book or her video "doxxing" herself. (Oh, and yes, in the past she's suggested that Janet Bloomfield isn't her real name.) | 2014-12-22T20:02:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/22/did-devious-feminists-scare-janet-judgy-bitch-bloomfields-literary-agent-into-dumping-her/comment-page-2/#comment-669919 |
Um… why would a feminist (or anyone) assume her thoughts were not her own?Well, lots of #Gamergaters think that Anita Sarkeesian is a "puppet" of her video collaborater Jon McIntosh. Based on absolutely nothing. I'm not even sure they have any fake evidence of this. Of course, GGers aren't, you know, feminists. And JB supports them. So once again this is pure projection. |
2014-12-22T19:58:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/22/did-devious-feminists-scare-janet-judgy-bitch-bloomfields-literary-agent-into-dumping-her/comment-page-2/#comment-669915 |
To clarify, it's REturn of Kings that draws the traffic. I'm getting more traffic than Roosh's personal site even according to Alexa. Though to be fair he wasn't posting there for a while, which obviously means a big drop in traffic. His games blog apparently isn't getting much traffic at all. | 2014-12-22T09:23:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/22/merry-christmas-paul-we-hunted-the-mammoth-is-drawing-more-traffic-than-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-669541 |
The irony of a reaction/mockery blog becoming more popular (at least by pageviews) than the movement it’s mocking is delicious.Sadly, Roosh still out-traffics both WHTM and AVFM. Though according to Alexa I'm catching up to Heartiste, which is slipping. Given that Alexa is just estimating traffic for both sites, and that it seems to undercount my traffic, I may actually be ahead of him too. |
2014-12-22T09:21:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/22/merry-christmas-paul-we-hunted-the-mammoth-is-drawing-more-traffic-than-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-669538 |
leftwingfox, so sorry to hear about your kitty. It's good you were there and were able to ease her passing. | 2014-12-22T02:44:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/05/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-december-2014-cat-tree-edition/comment-page-5/#comment-669367 |
ninjaed! | 2014-12-18T18:11:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/18/4-more-reasons-you-should-back-away-slowly-if-you-ever-meet-a-return-of-kings-fan-in-real-life/comment-page-1/#comment-667232 |
I thought that it was our tool-making ability that was supposed to separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom? (That is, if you ignore the animals besides us that also use tools.) | 2014-12-18T18:10:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/18/4-more-reasons-you-should-back-away-slowly-if-you-ever-meet-a-return-of-kings-fan-in-real-life/comment-page-1/#comment-667231 |
Brandon, I haven't read that one but obviously I need to. These guys are proud of their racism. Heartiste is even more blatant. | 2014-12-18T18:08:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/18/4-more-reasons-you-should-back-away-slowly-if-you-ever-meet-a-return-of-kings-fan-in-real-life/comment-page-1/#comment-667227 |
Woah, so many great examples! Also, I love Daler Mehndi, the Tunak guy, completely unironically. But then again I spend a lot of time listening to Indian music. | 2014-12-18T15:16:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/17/off-topic-what-are-your-favorite-guilty-pleasure-videos-on-youtube/comment-page-2/#comment-667144 |
Oy. So I have just learned that the title I used for my book cover, which I got from a GamerGate meme, was actually a rape joke reference. So I took it down and put Tulgey's lovely cover in its place. | 2014-12-16T03:57:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/15/hey-milo-ill-publish-your-gamergate-book/comment-page-1/#comment-665079 |
Also, Pixelgoth, those are amazing! | 2014-12-15T22:39:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/15/hey-milo-ill-publish-your-gamergate-book/comment-page-1/#comment-664962 |
Ah, the author of the USA today piece is the husband of "Dr. Helen," a longtime AVFM supporter and the author of the terrible Men On Strike book, which is basically just regurgitated MRA crap. He's as bad as she is, though he writes about MRA stuff less. It's appalling that USA today gives him a platform. | 2014-12-15T22:38:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/15/hey-milo-ill-publish-your-gamergate-book/comment-page-1/#comment-664960 |
Policy of Madness, hmm, i saw references to that, but isn't that a different species of wildcat? I was under the impression that domestic cats as we know them came from African wildcats and haven't changed much since being domesticated in any case, unlike dogs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat |
2014-12-15T15:04:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/02/why-manly-men-and-ladylike-ladies-must-love-dogs-hate-cats/comment-page-6/#comment-664646 |
Aside from the other evolutionary boners in Eddie's comment, cats have only been domesticated for 4-5000 years, and even then they have been (over most of that history) largely independent creatures who were kept around to control rodents, rather than the housecats we know today. Neither humans nor cats have actually evolved all that much in the last 5000 years; that's why cats are basically a lot wilder than dogs. http://freethoughtblogs.com/zingularity/2012/02/26/the-truth-about-cats-and-dogs/ |
2014-12-15T13:06:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/02/why-manly-men-and-ladylike-ladies-must-love-dogs-hate-cats/comment-page-5/#comment-664562 |
Sorry, that was a response to tomtom, I forgot to refresh first. | 2014-12-14T15:31:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/14/so-metalgate-is-a-thing-a-survey-of-the-ridiculousness/comment-page-1/#comment-663724 |
Also, as someone pointed out to him, the guys in Green day have been known to dye their hair. | 2014-12-14T15:30:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/14/so-metalgate-is-a-thing-a-survey-of-the-ridiculousness/comment-page-1/#comment-663720 |
Thanks, everyone, for the support! And don't worry if you can't afford it; I understand being broke! Oh, and FWIW, when I tried the everyday sexism link I got the message "The website is currently offline." |
2014-12-10T19:33:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/10/pledge-drive-extremely-furry-operators-are-standing-by-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-661199 |
Katherine, so sorry to hear about your grandfather. Dawn, sorry you're having it rough.Depression is a shitty, shitty thing (I've been there) but it does get better, even if while you're in the midst of it it's hard to imagine how. Hugs for anyone who wants them. Sorry so many of you are dealing with shitty stuff at the moment. |
2014-12-10T09:07:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/05/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-december-2014-cat-tree-edition/comment-page-3/#comment-660884 |
What emilygoddess and kittehserf said. | 2014-12-08T22:45:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/08/monday-links-jackie-the-uva-mess-and-believing-rape-victims-bonus-how-birth-control-lowers-divorce-rates/comment-page-1/#comment-659749 |
there exists a copy of that Louis CK sketch laid over that picture of David who is also somehow Michael Moore whipping himself.Bizarre. Well, there are certainly worse people to be compared with than Louis CK, given that he's, you know, one of the funniest people in the world. paythepiper, where is that pic from? what is going on? |
2014-12-03T02:55:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/02/butt-seriously-the-mens-rights-movement-is-as-ridiculous-as-the-onions-fake-political-cartoons/comment-page-2/#comment-655814 |
I removed the offending comment. We don't do that sort of thing here. Oh, and Elam is his real name. |
2014-11-25T17:20:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/25/the-mens-rights-activist-behind-a-fraudulent-white-ribbon-website-accuses-the-real-white-ribbon-australia-of-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-650333 |
Jennifer, I've seen anti-GG people saying that both Ferguson and Gamergate are terrible and/or depressing, that's not the same as compariing GG to Ferguson. Can you provide examples of this? | 2014-11-25T15:34:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/25/gamergate-meet-ferguson-ferguson-meet-gamergate/comment-page-1/#comment-650213 |
I added a bunch of the links you all ahve been posting to the post. Also put Conservative Girl in moderation. |
2014-11-25T14:25:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/24/no-indictment-open-thread-to-discuss-ferguson/comment-page-2/#comment-650167 |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/24/the-single-chart-that-shows-that-grand-juries-indict-99-99-percent-of-the-time/ | 2014-11-25T00:32:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/24/no-indictment-open-thread-to-discuss-ferguson/comment-page-1/#comment-649733 |
I just posted an open thread to discuss Ferguson. | 2014-11-24T23:27:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/femra-typhonblue-maybe-the-men-who-seem-to-run-the-world-arent-really-men/comment-page-9/#comment-649670 |
Oh, and Lundy Bancroft's book is about the behavior of male abusers. But the patterns of behavior he writes about also apply to female abusers. Fibinachi's point was that the way you misrepresent other people in this discussion is similar to the way some abusers behave. It wasn't "making up a book" in order to misgender you. | 2014-11-24T01:30:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/femra-typhonblue-maybe-the-men-who-seem-to-run-the-world-arent-really-men/comment-page-8/#comment-648804 |
Oy. Valerie, I don't even know where to start here. Even aside from the passive-agressiveness, the word salad, the endless accusations and demands, there's no point in having a discussion with you about anything if you're going to misrepresent what the others here are saying so completely and so disingenuosly. Find somewhere else to vent. | 2014-11-24T01:24:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/femra-typhonblue-maybe-the-men-who-seem-to-run-the-world-arent-really-men/comment-page-8/#comment-648794 |
Tracy and Myriad, so sorry about your kitties. I'm sure they had lovely lives with you. Irene, glad to hear that your kitty is doing a bit better. Baby food worked for my old cat when she wouldn't eat anything else, turkey and ham flavors especially. Also glad to see all the kitty pics here. The cycle of kitties continues. |
2014-11-23T13:03:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/20/jordan-owen-rants-about-fifty-shades-of-grey-for-fifty-two-minutes-in-a-bathtub/comment-page-5/#comment-647960 |
Irene, hope your kitty is ok! aebars, I do put a lot of time into this blog, but three short posts don't take up more time than one long one. |
2014-11-21T01:13:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/20/jordan-owen-rants-about-fifty-shades-of-grey-for-fifty-two-minutes-in-a-bathtub/comment-page-3/#comment-646259 |
Zolnier, you will probably not be surprised that a number of the islands listed in that book are covered in rabbits, generally brought there as part of some abortive attempt at settlement. Luzbelitx, yeah that book is pretty MRAish. There's a big excerpt of it floating around online; MRAs link to it reguarly. |
2014-11-20T09:54:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/20/pickup-sleazeball-julien-blanc-banned-from-britain-has-not-yet-developed-self-awareness/comment-page-1/#comment-645639 |
The tl:dr of that book is that if an island is uninhabited and no government even really wants to take responsibility for it, there are probably some really good reasons for this. | 2014-11-20T09:14:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/20/pickup-sleazeball-julien-blanc-banned-from-britain-has-not-yet-developed-self-awareness/comment-page-1/#comment-645617 |
We need to assemble a database of uninhabited and barely habitable islands so we can offer helpful suggestions to MGTOWers and people like Julien Blanc. Or we could just send them this book: http://www.amazon.com/Uninhabited-Ocean-Islands-Jon-Fisher/dp/1559500743/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416496290&sr=8-1&keywords=uninhabited+ocean |
2014-11-20T09:12:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/20/pickup-sleazeball-julien-blanc-banned-from-britain-has-not-yet-developed-self-awareness/comment-page-1/#comment-645615 |
Puddleglum, I took your suggestion and made the scented candles pic a link to the welcome package! | 2014-11-20T04:24:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/19/super-fun-anita-sarkeesian-pop-quiz/comment-page-3/#comment-645479 |
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have called it a "great post." It's VERY heartening to see someone stepping away from GG, and the post is very good at calling out the hypocrisy, but POM is right that it doesn't really address the absolutely pervasive misogyny of GG. | 2014-11-19T20:21:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/19/redditor-explains-why-they-left-gamergate-tldr-the-raging-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-645228 |
Grilled salmon. Neutered cat. Burned wood.All you need for a fantastic party! |
2014-11-19T18:33:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/19/super-fun-anita-sarkeesian-pop-quiz/comment-page-2/#comment-645166 |
WWTH, sorry to hear about the job. Sucks. Tracy, that's a tough situation. A friend of mine had to have her cat put to sleep recently and even when you know it's the right thing to do it's hard. And MarineRachel, oy, what a bunch of dickheads. You deserve better! | 2014-11-19T04:13:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-october-2014-dog-walk-dog-edition/comment-page-12/#comment-644711 |
zennurse, #OPskynet is a devious plot to get all GGers to follow one another on twitter so that they can ... actually I don't know what they hope to do except to flood each others timelines with more gg crap. I don't know what section 6 is, | 2014-11-16T11:01:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/16/with-gamergate-floundering-the-internet-douchebag-squad-whips-up-a-shirtstorm/comment-page-1/#comment-642406 |
I'm way behind on the comments here, but I'm popping in to say that I banned the PTSD-victim-blaming troll. Trolls: if your comments contribute to the harassment of people who are already being harassed by half the internet, you will be banned. It's in the comments policy. |
2014-11-13T18:23:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/11/its-veterans-day-gamergaters-lay-off-the-military-imagery-and-remember-those-who-fought-in-real-wars/comment-page-2/#comment-640559 |
When they're picking out random insults out of the ether, why don't they ever pick out the good ones, like "poltroon," or "gonif," or "splourplie." Ok, I made up that last one. |
2014-11-11T19:14:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/28/each-new-video-that-anita-sarkeesian-posts-is-a-sign-that-the-bullies-are-losing/comment-page-10/#comment-638927 |
Troll is on moderation, BTW, I just let through a couple of comments for you all to bat around. | 2014-11-11T19:11:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/28/each-new-video-that-anita-sarkeesian-posts-is-a-sign-that-the-bullies-are-losing/comment-page-10/#comment-638924 |
Missy, glad you're home safe, doing better things!
I mean seriously, if your ultimate enemy is gawker and you’re as frothing as GG is, you have major fucking problems!Jordan Owen said in one video that he thought people should be literally out in the streets protesting ... Anita Sarkeesian. |
2014-11-11T18:10:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/11/its-veterans-day-gamergaters-lay-off-the-military-imagery-and-remember-those-who-fought-in-real-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-638887 |
ha! where's the cat at is awesome | 2014-11-11T01:21:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/09/off-topic-poetry-korner-dont-make-me-ralph/comment-page-1/#comment-638334 |
I removed that "that" from my post; I was originally going to add something else there and forgot to remove the "that" when I decided to put the other stuff elsewhere. | 2014-11-09T21:35:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/09/twitter-teams-up-with-women-action-and-the-media-to-target-online-harassers/comment-page-1/#comment-637178 |
aebars, I'm not sure. A lot. kirbywarp, not all the covers. Sometimes the men are just defending themselves. There are also a lot like this: http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/91/0d/a5/910da5b0234015c1203f143771904273.jpg |
2014-11-07T16:19:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/07/can-the-julien-blanc-problem-be-solved-with-more-patriarchy-one-misogynistic-douchebag-says-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-635418 |
Kevin, the mods warned you, you didn't listen. you're banned. | 2014-11-05T18:22:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/04/melbourne-hotel-boots-pickup-artist-advocating-emotional-abuse-and-physical-assault-takedownjulienblanc-campaign-continues/comment-page-5/#comment-633623 |
That sneaky sneaky Julien pulled down his choking pics. That's why I made screenshots! I put one in the post. | 2014-11-05T05:47:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/04/melbourne-hotel-boots-pickup-artist-advocating-emotional-abuse-and-physical-assault-takedownjulienblanc-campaign-continues/comment-page-4/#comment-633118 |
When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Or in this case, what he did say.Ah, the same quote that was on a gamergate meme recently. Well, ta ta, you're banned. |
2014-11-02T22:02:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/02/why-are-gamergaters-so-quick-to-excuse-an-anti-semitic-caricature-of-anita-sarkeesian-thats-literally-derived-from-nazi-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-630795 |
I'm also confident that Saul is not named Saul, etc. | 2014-11-02T19:20:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/02/why-are-gamergaters-so-quick-to-excuse-an-anti-semitic-caricature-of-anita-sarkeesian-thats-literally-derived-from-nazi-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-630604 |
Ampersand, do you know where that one is from? | 2014-11-02T19:10:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/02/why-are-gamergaters-so-quick-to-excuse-an-anti-semitic-caricature-of-anita-sarkeesian-thats-literally-derived-from-nazi-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-630594 |
Ampersand, I hadn't seen that. MAkes it even more appalling. The cartoon Mary posted is basically a mashup of two grotesquely anti-Semitic cartoons. | 2014-11-02T19:09:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/02/why-are-gamergaters-so-quick-to-excuse-an-anti-semitic-caricature-of-anita-sarkeesian-thats-literally-derived-from-nazi-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-630592 |
Speaking of ethics, one GGer has literally duplicated this blog post on their own blog. If you don't check the url you would think it was my blog. When I protested they said only "take it up with my web host." Any thoughts on possible remedies? Not sure it's worth it. Here, Im putting it up as a donotlink post: http://www.donotlink.com/cces DON'T POST THERE |
2014-11-02T18:47:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/02/why-are-gamergaters-so-quick-to-excuse-an-anti-semitic-caricature-of-anita-sarkeesian-thats-literally-derived-from-nazi-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-630577 |
I can put a trigger warning on that if you think that's a good idea. On the Cosby allegations, I meant to put in a link. This story covers a lot of the details (and might be triggering): http://gawker.com/who-wants-to-remember-bill-cosbys-multiple-sex-assaul-1515923178 |
2014-11-01T11:42:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/01/return-of-kings-writer-dismisses-rape-allegations-against-jian-ghomeshi-and-bill-cosby-because-raping-women-is-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-629796 |
fwiw, the new allman seems to be posting from a real IP on a different continent as the banned allman, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.. Let me know if he starts to sound too much like the last one. | 2014-10-30T21:38:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/16/in-mra-land-women-have-never-been-oppressed-but-men-have-been-disenfranchised-by-having-power-over-them/comment-page-3/#comment-628536 |
Oops, forgot the link to Vox's post. I added it to the post. | 2014-10-29T15:10:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/29/reactionary-racist-woman-hating-fantasy-author-vox-day-has-some-helpful-advice-for-street-harassers-on-how-to-harass-more-effectively/comment-page-1/#comment-627369 |
Kyle, if you actually look at the twitter accounts of the people I quoted in this post instead of making assumptions, you would see that most of them have used the hashtag, and some are quite active in it. One mentioned #GG in the convo I quoted from. One of them says he's not a GGer but is a big fan of @nero. If you think Wu hasn't been targeted by #GG? She's "Literally Who 3" for fuck's sake. Take a nice long look at all these tweets: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%40Spacekatgal%20%23gamergate&src=typd Anyway, Kyle, you're banned from this thread for victim blaming someone who's literally been forced from her home by threats. See the comments policy for a note on this. |
2014-10-29T13:38:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/29/angry-gamergaters-telling-brianna-wu-to-shut-up-and-make-games-not-realizing-thats-already-her-job/comment-page-1/#comment-627309 |
John Allman, have you not noticed that you've been banned? Kittehserf announced this last night and nothing you've posted since has appeared in the comments. Move on. Kittehserf, thanks for removing his son's name from the comments. |
2014-10-29T12:40:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/27/is-the-mens-rights-movement-driven-by-the-rage-of-the-rejected/comment-page-6/#comment-627270 |
Connie, sorry, I'm a bit paranoid, given the dishonestly and duplicity of the people making these ridiculous charges. I dealt with them here: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/lies-damn-lies-and-janet-bloomfield-the-worlds-least-convincing-liar-is-now-trying-to-smear-me/ My email is just futrelle at wehuntedthemamoth.com. |
2014-10-29T12:34:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/28/i-hate-lucy-this-redditor-doesnt-know-it-but-he-just-came-up-with-a-great-premise-for-a-red-pill-sitcom/comment-page-2/#comment-627267 |
I gotta remember to put Manfeels PArk in the misandry blogroll. Also: Note to Connie, who tried to comment here:; I'm wary of people I don't know trying to post sleazy AVFM videos here. If your questoin was meant sincerely email me and I'll answer it. |
2014-10-29T02:36:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/28/i-hate-lucy-this-redditor-doesnt-know-it-but-he-just-came-up-with-a-great-premise-for-a-red-pill-sitcom/comment-page-1/#comment-626941 |
I've let through some comments that are sort of borderline Anita-blaming. Email the mods if any of these new commenters go off the rails. I do have a question for the commenter who claimed I was misrepresenting one of the tweets I used by "taking it out of context." Here's the tweet. If you click on it you can see it in context. https://twitter.com/psychicpebble/status/525857072823291904 How exactly did I misrepresent it? |
2014-10-26T20:45:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/26/on-friday-anita-sarkeesian-called-out-toxic-masculinity-on-twitter-heres-what-happened-next/comment-page-2/#comment-624021 |
A reminder for new commenters!
Here is an important bit from this site's comments policy:
if I’m writing about someone who’s gotten harassed by misogynists on the internet, and you want to talk about how much they deserved it, or what a lying liar they are? Well, fuck you! Your comments go right into the trash.Don't worry angry dudes! I'm sure you can find some other place on the internet where you can talk forever about how Anita totally brought all this upon herself. |
2014-10-26T19:07:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/26/on-friday-anita-sarkeesian-called-out-toxic-masculinity-on-twitter-heres-what-happened-next/comment-page-2/#comment-623956 |
It's copypasta too, of course. I pasted a bit of it into google and found it posted a dozen different places. But what the heck, if anyone wants to have a go at it, feel free.Or ignore it. | 2014-10-25T20:41:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/25/mens-rights-activists-pr-geniuses-part-xxvi/comment-page-2/#comment-623260 |
Huh. I recently had dinner with a woman who is a domme. Not for money; it's her kink. She gets together with various guys and dominates them in various ways. One of her regulars likes to get kicked in the balls. And she enjoys kicking him in the balls.They get together, she kicks him in the balls, and they both go their merry way. Not something I would enjoy, and I can only hope the guy is not doing any lasting damage to his balls, but they both apparently enjoy themselves and the whole thing is very much consensual. I have a little trouble seeing how this would be an example of the fetishization of male violence against women. | 2014-10-25T02:15:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/21/these-mens-rights-activists-get-off-literally-by-fantasizing-about-sexually-humiliating-feminists/comment-page-3/#comment-622633 |
Yep, Jill's got a gig at Cosmo now. | 2014-10-24T18:23:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/24/paul-elam-responds-to-critics-of-his-phony-white-ribbon-page-with-reasoned-argument-kidding-he-had-a-tantrum/comment-page-3/#comment-622389 |
Ooh, that's a good one. And here's a better New Yorker cartoon: https://twitter.com/NotFaulty/status/525687179646083072 |
2014-10-24T18:14:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/24/meme-of-the-week-is-actually-its-about-ethics-in-game-journalism-the-new-not-all-men/comment-page-1/#comment-622381 |
I made one out of an old #NotAllMem meme: https://twitter.com/DavidFutrelle/status/525771733299499009 |
2014-10-24T17:16:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/24/meme-of-the-week-is-actually-its-about-ethics-in-game-journalism-the-new-not-all-men/comment-page-1/#comment-622347 |
ys, yeah, I tagged it #gamergate mostly b/c of the Sarkeesian pic; you're right that it's a bit tangential but it was so horrific I thought it was worth highlighting. | 2014-10-24T10:01:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/23/a-voice-for-men-has-set-up-a-phony-white-ribbon-website-to-coopt-the-international-anti-violence-campaign-of-that-name/comment-page-2/#comment-622044 |
marinerachel, ok, I confess that was a joke. But a few weeks ago it did literally take me several days to recover from a mexican takeout binge that started on dollar taco tuesday. | 2014-10-24T09:48:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/24/paul-elam-responds-to-critics-of-his-phony-white-ribbon-page-with-reasoned-argument-kidding-he-had-a-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-622034 |
donovan, I don't know that I'd call you a troll exactly, but you do seem sort of off in your own universe here, posting little mini-rants and not really responding to what other people are saying or really participating in the conversation. Just chill a bit, maybe lurk a bit, before posting much more. | 2014-10-23T23:05:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/23/presented-with-evidence-of-one-of-their-own-sexually-harassing-a-woman-gamergaters-deny-and-deflect-and-offer-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-621724 |
I added bits from the WRC statement to the post and a link. If you want to archive any of this for posterity, go to http://archive.today/ |
2014-10-23T14:56:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/23/a-voice-for-men-has-set-up-a-phony-white-ribbon-website-to-coopt-the-international-anti-violence-campaign-of-that-name/comment-page-1/#comment-621346 |
The real White Ribbon folks know about AVFM's shenanagans. | 2014-10-23T13:41:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/23/a-voice-for-men-has-set-up-a-phony-white-ribbon-website-to-coopt-the-international-anti-violence-campaign-of-that-name/comment-page-1/#comment-621276 |
FWIW, I think she's really a woman; she's been around for a while on youtube, so she would have to be an incredibly dedicated troll if she were a he. | 2014-10-22T16:49:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/22/gamergater-declares-the-only-harassers-are-anti-ggers-then-sexually-harasses-an-anti-gamergate-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-620694 |
Oh my lord, I watched Jordan's two videos, the angry one and the abashed one, and now I'm watching Davis. Yeah, the best way to convince people you know what you're doing as a film director is to film yourself in a room that's so dark your viewers can barely see you and with muddy sound with an audible hum. Amazing. Maybe I should make a feature length documentary made up of clips of their videos talking about this project. I mean, their meltdowns are more entertaining and informative than their actual footage. |
2014-10-22T02:48:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/21/the-first-sarkeesian-effect-teaser-trailer-is-a-masterpiece-of-experimental-film-some-notes-from-a-big-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-620167 |
LBT and Cloudiah, I am very sorry to see you go. You're both amazing people and both of you have contributed so much to this blog and this community while you've been here. LBT, I will take your criticisms to heart; obviously I don't want this blog to be a place where trans folks feel at all unwelcome, because they're not unwelcome. If you or if anyone wants to share their concerns about this or about any other concerns you should always feel free to email me, though obviously that's up to you. I understand that you both need to do what is right for you, but I will miss you both. |
2014-10-22T01:16:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-october-2014-dog-walk-dog-edition/comment-page-8/#comment-620103 |
I replaced the video in the OP, which Jordan made private, with the one from Aurini's channel that's still public. He's added a disclaimer at the front about the terrilble sound; I haven't watched it to see if he made any other changes. That videobombing cat is hilairous! Also, on proper interview camera angles, it's as if they never watched television news interviews. Even if they couldn't afford three cameras, if they had two --which they obciously did -- they could film some establishing shots and then roll the cameras with closeups of interviewer and interviewee. If they only had one camera, they could just film the interviewee close up and leave themselves out of it. How many times does Erroll Morris appear on camera in his documentaries? How hard is it to film a single talking head and have it look ok? Oh, wait, they interviewed that woman on her porch, and they managed to fuck that up with terrible lighting and awful background and the least flattering camera angle possible. |
2014-10-21T22:06:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/21/the-first-sarkeesian-effect-teaser-trailer-is-a-masterpiece-of-experimental-film-some-notes-from-a-big-fan/comment-page-2/#comment-619984 |
I've never said this before and I may never say this again, but you all need to go to Youtube to read the comments! It's comment after comment -- mostly from supporters -- saying (correctly) that this footage in unsavagable .... and then about 3/4 of the way through, Dean Esmay shows up and posts: "I can tell this is going to be an awesome documentary!" |
2014-10-21T10:44:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/21/the-first-sarkeesian-effect-teaser-trailer-is-a-masterpiece-of-experimental-film-some-notes-from-a-big-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-619394 |
Oh, Amnesia, so sorry. | 2014-10-21T10:30:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-october-2014-dog-walk-dog-edition/comment-page-8/#comment-619379 |
I think the truck is being driven by the sound guy for this: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/21/the-first-sarkeesian-effect-teaser-trailer-is-a-masterpiece-of-experimental-film-some-notes-from-a-big-fan/ |
2014-10-21T09:03:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/21/gamergate-in-35-seconds/comment-page-1/#comment-619314 |
I've decided to enforce Chockanga's flounce. But all this has led me to think more seriously about the responsibility Thunderf00t and others like him have for the harassment against Sarkeesian. May be worth another post. |
2014-10-20T23:44:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/19/mens-rights-activists-most-gullible-people-in-the-world-or-most-gullible-people-in-the-universe/comment-page-7/#comment-618910 |
Mr Misogyny, the problem with your proposed sperm strike is that there will always be those who cross the picket lines. http://jezebel.com/happy-friday-from-the-condom-dangling-from-a-pole-on-t-1644911566 |
2014-10-20T23:41:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/20/ladies-your-weight-is-somehow-a-mens-rights-issue-and-five-other-lessons-drawn-from-six-terrible-a-voice-for-men-memes/comment-page-2/#comment-618906 |
Chockanga, I used thuderf00t's video as one example of a common MRA/manosphere antifeminist trope ("feminist poison") that also appeared in the email threatening Sarkeesian. That's all. I didn't say that his use of the trope meant that he was responsible for the threat. I will say here, however, that I think his numerous videos attacking feminists in general and Sarkeesian in particular have helped to create the atmosphere iin which these sorts of threats flourish. His videos are inflammatory; they contain violent language directed at her ("Anita Sarkeesian DESTROYED"). There is no question that they have contributed to the harassment against her. |
2014-10-20T16:46:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/19/mens-rights-activists-most-gullible-people-in-the-world-or-most-gullible-people-in-the-universe/comment-page-3/#comment-618268 |
Here she is doubling down on the idea that Jimmy Savile's victims were "whores," a https://twitter.com/BloomfieldJanet/status/524021545111257088 a https://twitter.com/BloomfieldJanet/status/524020135242121217 And then there's this, which doesn't even make sense: https://twitter.com/BloomfieldJanet/status/524023478941274112 And I think here she's suggesting she wants to shoot me with a bow and arrow? a https://twitter.com/BloomfieldJanet/status/524021004054454273 |
2014-10-19T22:25:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/19/mens-rights-activists-most-gullible-people-in-the-world-or-most-gullible-people-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-617539 |
JB is having a bit of a meltdown on twitter, and is pulling out every slur she can think of. https://twitter.com/BloomfieldJanet/with_replies links to individual tweets. I'm hoping these wont embed a https://twitter.com/BloomfieldJanet/status/524030743828103168 a https://twitter.com/BloomfieldJanet/status/524030391938605056 a https://twitter.com/BloomfieldJanet/status/524030191333433345 |
2014-10-19T22:21:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/19/mens-rights-activists-most-gullible-people-in-the-world-or-most-gullible-people-in-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-617534 |
Anil Dash was a target of Roosh and his pals a while ago, partially for racist reasons; Roosh et al were determined to ruin his life, because he was one of the ones speaking up against a tech dude who's said all sorts of vile shit (Pax Dickinson) and b/c it was a female friend or acquantance of his who first pointed out the terrible shit Dickinson had said. http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/11/embittered-pickup-artist-douchebags-rally-around-embattled-twitter-douchebag-pax-dickinson/ I don't recall Cernovich's role in all that, but he is from that part of the manosphere. So that's it comes from. GG is just the excuse to attack someone they already hate. |
2014-10-19T14:46:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/18/storify-time-gamergate-rs-with-ugly-histories-of-harassment-and-more-amazing-stuff-from-the-tweeter/comment-page-2/#comment-617223 |
I used the link to the irc log being posted by GGers. At one point after I published this, someone linked me to the exact same log to prove that something I quoted wasn't in the "real log." Turned out he had searched for the wrong phrase, it was there in the log he posted. That said, wordpress deleted some of the names from the post when I posted it -- it's not good at dealing with angle brackets. I need to fix that. But if you go into the log and look for the things being said, it'll all be there (along with the names) |
2014-10-18T03:43:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/08/zoe-quinns-screenshots-of-4chans-dirty-tricks-were-just-the-appetizer-heres-the-first-course-of-the-dinner-directly-from-the-irc-log/comment-page-11/#comment-616051 |
Oh, and I should add that SAVE services pushes changes in the laws to strip away rights and domesic violence protection from "mail order brides." | 2014-10-17T13:34:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/17/woman-hating-internet-losers-attack-malala-yousafzai-for-not-being-a-good-enough-advocate-for-girls-and-women/comment-page-2/#comment-615495 |
Fnoicby, SAVE services is basically an MRA organisation disguised as a rape victim advocacy group; it's funded, I believe, by a Russian-bride biz. They've allied with AVFM and AVFM cites them all the time. | 2014-10-17T13:33:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/17/woman-hating-internet-losers-attack-malala-yousafzai-for-not-being-a-good-enough-advocate-for-girls-and-women/comment-page-2/#comment-615494 |
Nova, you made your points. You've been asked to drop the subject not only by other commenters but by one of the mods. So drop the subject. | 2014-10-16T23:19:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/14/anita-sarkeesian-cancels-talk-at-utah-state-after-receiving-threat-of-another-montreal-massacre/comment-page-4/#comment-614908 |
I hope this post doesn't seem out of place given what's going on; I wrote it before I learned about the threats towards Sarkeesian, and forgot that I had it scheduled to go up this morning. I'm working on another post about Sarkeesian at the moment. |
2014-10-15T09:45:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/15/red-piller-feminists-should-support-slut-shaming-to-pump-up-the-price-of-their-biggest-asset-in-the-marketplace/comment-page-1/#comment-613654 |
Daeran Zemaitis, I deleted that comment of yours, you know which one, That sort of thing doesn't fly here. But since you've walked back from it I won't put you on moderation for it. Just, you know, don't do that again. | 2014-10-15T08:54:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/14/anita-sarkeesian-cancels-talk-at-utah-state-after-receiving-threat-of-another-montreal-massacre/comment-page-3/#comment-613620 |
So I've been plugging bits of the threat letter into search engines to see if anything shows up besides articles and posts about these threats; people often habitually repeat the same phrases. So far the only notable thing: the line "feminists have ruined my life" is a direct quote from Marc Lepine -- it's what he allegedly said before he started shooting. http://books.google.com/books?id=zlHO_IhuUqQC&pg=PA99&lpg=PA99&dq=%22Feminists+have+ruined+my+life%22&source=bl&ots=6X3XB-IZr_&sig=RrdNgcz_9BUUVfdgLiZCiUHr4ck&hl=en&sa=X&ei=twY-VLQrz_bJBLT4gqgO&ved=0CGIQ6AEwDA#v=onepage&q=%22Feminists%20have%20ruined%20my%20life%22&f=false Here's the text of the threat in a pastebin: http://pastebin.com/EcZdbBjj |
2014-10-15T00:40:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/14/anita-sarkeesian-cancels-talk-at-utah-state-after-receiving-threat-of-another-montreal-massacre/comment-page-2/#comment-613351 |
Sarkeesian has provided more info on Twitter; I pasted her tweets into the post. She's safe. She also notes that there were *multiple* death threats, including one referencing GamerGate. | 2014-10-14T22:04:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/14/anita-sarkeesian-cancels-talk-at-utah-state-after-receiving-threat-of-another-montreal-massacre/comment-page-1/#comment-613230 |
Everyone: I've made this a NO TROLLS, NO MRAS, NO GAMERGATERS, NO VICTIM BLAMER thread. Email the mods if you see anyone breaking these rules so we can deal with them promptly. | 2014-10-14T21:18:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/14/anita-sarkeesian-cancels-talk-at-utah-state-after-receiving-threat-of-another-montreal-massacre/comment-page-1/#comment-613175 |
Cloudiah, unbelieveable. Strike that, it's completely believable. OF COURSE that's how they're going to see this. |
2014-10-14T21:16:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/14/anita-sarkeesian-cancels-talk-at-utah-state-after-receiving-threat-of-another-montreal-massacre/comment-page-1/#comment-613169 |
I just added this to the post:
I guess he does say “cure” people, though the way he says it somehow sounds remarkably similar to “kill.” In my defense I’m old and have wax in my ears.I mainly just thought this was funny, esp. with the music at the end. He's said worse. Hell, he probably said something worse on Twitter today. |
2014-10-14T03:10:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/13/richard-dawkins-gangsta/comment-page-1/#comment-612447 |
Kizone Kaprow's comment is basically spam, but the link is sort of interesting, showing what horrible dicks commenters at Reason are. | 2014-10-13T20:03:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/11/yet-another-woman-in-gaming-has-been-driven-from-her-home-by-death-threats/comment-page-3/#comment-612203 |
So who here has actually been hypnotized? I've tried self-hypnosis and assorted hypnosis recordings but I don't think I've ever managed anything beyond the lightest of trances if even that. | 2014-10-12T22:49:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/12/have-you-ever-felt-an-instant-magnetic-attraction-with-someone-point-to-yourself-and-other-surefire-pickup-lines-from-nlp-dating-guru-bart-baggett/comment-page-1/#comment-611509 |
I've been letting through some of the GGer comments mostly as chew toys; if you all would rather not deal with them, I can just trash them. | 2014-10-12T15:35:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/11/yet-another-woman-in-gaming-has-been-driven-from-her-home-by-death-threats/comment-page-2/#comment-611189 |
Hey everyone, I'm back. I just let through a bunch of comments from GGers; email the mods if any of them start acting uup. Also, here are some pingbacks to this post. (I can't let pingbacks through straightfowardly because they screw up with navigation between comment pages.) Pingback: Even more death threats from #GamerGate; I’m out – ThatShortGuy.com Edit http://thatshortguy.com/2014/10/even-more-death-threats-from-gamergate-im-out/ Pingback: The best way forward: harassed developer speaks out against threats | THE REBOOT GAMERS Edit http://therebootgamers.com/2014/10/11/the-best-way-forward-harassed-developer-speaks-out-against-threats/ Pingback: #gamergate true believers are the anti-vaxxers of the online world | Crime and the Blog of Evil Edit http://crimeandtheforcesofevil.com/blog/2014/10/gamgergate-true-believers-are-the-anti-vaxxers-of-the-online-world/ Pingback: Revolution 60 Developer Brianna Wu Displaced From Her Home By Violent Death Threats | Front Towards Gamer Edit http://fronttowardsgamer.com/2014/10/11/revolution-60-developer-brianna-wu-displaced-from-her-home-by-violent-death-threats/ |
2014-10-11T19:09:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/11/yet-another-woman-in-gaming-has-been-driven-from-her-home-by-death-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-610524 |
Hey everyone, I've let through a bunch of comments from GGers (mostly in the Brianna Wu thread); email the mods if any of them start acting up. | 2014-10-11T19:01:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/11/in-a-series-of-brilliant-furious-tweets-zoe-quinn-tears-apart-the-myth-that-gamergate-has-moved-beyond-harassment-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-610518 |
I've been having some amazingly surreal "discussions" with gamergaters about all this on Twitter. inurashii, that app is pretty adorable, and good brain bleach! I've got another gamergate related post coming up in a few minutes. Zoe Quinn went on a twitter rampage yesterday and really tore into the GG bullshit; I've collected a bunch of it into a post. |
2014-10-11T10:26:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/11/yet-another-woman-in-gaming-has-been-driven-from-her-home-by-death-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-610177 |
She's back: https://twitter.com/BloomfieldJanet |
2014-10-10T21:37:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/09/janet-bloomfield-booted-from-twitter-hopefully-for-good/comment-page-3/#comment-609764 |
ej, exactly. A lot of "nice guys" like that guy complain that they can't read women's signals. But he's reading their signals perfectly: ne knows perfectly well that they don't want to be bothered, and that in some cases (as in the women wearing sunglasses when it's not sunny) they're likely going out of their way to tell him and other potential "admirers" to leave them alone. So he knows what they're saying. He just doesn't want to hear it. |
2014-10-09T19:19:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/09/stuff-you-absolutely-have-to-read-kathy-sierra-and-adria-richards-on-harassment-and-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-608369 |
Livvie, I'm not sure that "the horrible stuff said by the speakers at a conference organized by the most influential men's rights web site is no worse than the worst stuff from feminists we've been able to find" is quite the brilliant rebuttal that you think it is. | 2014-10-08T00:33:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/20/voices-of-hatred-a-look-at-the-noxious-views-of-six-of-the-speakers-at-a-voice-for-mens-upcoming-conference/comment-page-13/#comment-606827 |
Oh, I found the video. Owen argues that she's using evil NLP hypnosis because she uses words like ... look, show, say, imagine, catch on, understand, some, all, many, after, in addition to, down, released, have you ever, was. Yes, he's arguing that she's hypnotizing people by using the verb "to be." The list with these words in it starts a 17:45 if you just want to look at that. Oh no I just noticed I'm hypnotizing you with the word "look." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EpWezFQ3CU |
2014-10-07T15:09:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/07/misogyny-theater-presents-davis-aurini-in-women-are-flitting-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-606525 |
Damn, I need to find that Jordan Owen NLP video, though it might be below me (That last bit is a little NLP speed seduction joke, BTW. See, if you work the phrase "below me" into a conversation, you subconsciously convince the person you're talking to to blow you. No, really, they actually think this.) . | 2014-10-07T14:29:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/07/misogyny-theater-presents-davis-aurini-in-women-are-flitting-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-606503 |
Hey everyone, I just posted a new open thread for October: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-october-2014-dog-walk-dog-edition/ I need to catch up on this one myself! Oh, and Emily. cool you'll be in Chicago, we'll definitely have to get lunch or coffee or something! |
2014-10-06T22:20:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/04/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-september-2014-big-cat-and-big-dude-edition/comment-page-13/#comment-606028 |
Ah ha ha, just read the fake Lena Dunham quote thing. Now *that's* funny. That's how you do a fake quote. Maybe that should be the rule from now on: if you want to post a fake quote it always has to be an almost completely unreadable quote from Thorstein Veblen. |
2014-10-06T20:54:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/06/a-voice-for-mens-janet-bloomfield-libels-anita-sarkeesian-with-an-obviously-fake-screenshot-of-a-tweet-that-never-was/comment-page-2/#comment-605975 |
JB is in fact Canadian and lives in Canada, FWIW. | 2014-10-06T20:51:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/06/a-voice-for-mens-janet-bloomfield-libels-anita-sarkeesian-with-an-obviously-fake-screenshot-of-a-tweet-that-never-was/comment-page-2/#comment-605971 |
Oh, and I found the original Sarkeesian tweet that was used to make the fake tweet "screenshot." | 2014-10-06T02:25:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/05/the-fart-gap-why-red-pillers-think-that-women-should-never-fart-or-fart-shame-their-flatulent-men/comment-page-2/#comment-605333 |
Oh, if any of you go over to look at her tweet, could you grab screenshots of it and all its replies? I've got a screenshot but the more people have screenshots the better, in case she takes it down. | 2014-10-06T02:24:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/05/the-fart-gap-why-red-pillers-think-that-women-should-never-fart-or-fart-shame-their-flatulent-men/comment-page-2/#comment-605332 |
JB is amazing. These people have the ethics of fleas. If you go look at her original tweet, you'll see that the overwhelming majority of her fans who responded thought it was a real quote, and when a few people pointed out that it was obviously fake because its way over twitters allowed character count, they all went with her explanation that it was a "poe" because it sounded just like something Sarkeesian would say. Yeah, if you believe that Sarkeesian is the boogeywoman. |
2014-10-06T02:06:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/05/the-fart-gap-why-red-pillers-think-that-women-should-never-fart-or-fart-shame-their-flatulent-men/comment-page-2/#comment-605325 |
There's a farty remix of Nicky Minaj's Anaconda as well. | 2014-10-05T16:48:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/05/the-fart-gap-why-red-pillers-think-that-women-should-never-fart-or-fart-shame-their-flatulent-men/comment-page-1/#comment-604997 |
can you imagine the shit fit they’ll have when the first sex-bot for a woman gets announced?Oh, but there already is one -- it's called an ATM! Ba-dum-Tsssh! See, cuz ladies just want money. I'm surprised I haven't heard that joke from any of the manospherians yet. Dudes, you can use it! Consider it my gift to you. I Googled to see if anyone had made the joke before, and this was one of the top results: http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/tennessee-man-attempts-to-have-sex-with-atm-machine.300103/ Apparently ATMs are actually sexbots for MEN. |
2014-10-05T16:46:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/05/the-fart-gap-why-red-pillers-think-that-women-should-never-fart-or-fart-shame-their-flatulent-men/comment-page-1/#comment-604996 |
That would seem to be the only logical conclusion. But I'm going to assume he's just a lazy, terrible writer who either didn't notice that this is what he seemed to be saying, or noticed and just didn't care enough to fix it. | 2014-10-04T17:09:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/04/if-you-cant-be-with-the-dick-you-love-love-the-dick-youre-with/comment-page-1/#comment-604415 |
I'm pretty sure that when Fry mentioned rock stars with 14-year-old "girlfriends" he was referencing Page. And he's right that the then-teenager, now woman in her fifties does not, at least going from what I've read, consider herself a victim. But that doesn't make what Page did acceptable. Nor does the fact that it happened in the 1970s and that "everybody did it" back then; Page may not have thought it was wrong, but he knew that a lot of other people would have, hence the secrecy. | 2014-10-04T17:02:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/04/news-quiz-which-of-the-following-comments-about-pedophilia-garnered-downvotes-in-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-604408 |
Wait, where are people claiming I started the subreddit? I'm wondering if I'm also the thousands of people who subscribe to RapingWomen and BeatingWomen2 and HotRapeStories and ChokeABitch. And if I'm responsible for the 800,000 pageviews for CuteFemaleCorpses. |
2014-10-04T03:20:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/01/reddit-hits-a-new-low-with-a-subreddit-promoting-the-corrective-rape-of-sluts-and-harlots/comment-page-3/#comment-604054 |
damselindetech, I finished my sentence! With the word "Jarts." I dunno, a toy that's basically the same as horseshoes or beanbags that has a sharp metal tip, and that's actually killed and severely injured numerous children seems unlikely to get itself unbanned and make a comeback. |
2014-10-03T17:07:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/03/a-voice-for-mens-alison-tieman-winning-women-the-right-to-vote-was-feminisms-first-act-of-female-supremacy/comment-page-1/#comment-603708 |
I like the idea that he could live happily with all the boogers and "debris" in his nose he wanted if it weren't for those damned ladies and their stupid minimum hygiene requirements. WHO WANTS A NOSE FULL OF DEBRIS? hellkell, jeez, I forgot about skidmarks steve. magnesium, I think he's in Ukraine now? Not sure. He does sound like he may well be suffering from depression, and as someone who's dealt with depression of varying severity for decades, I know how shitty that is. But he's certainly making it worse on himself by self-medicating with misogyny. Maybe that sounds flip, but I think it's clear that his hatred of women is getting in the way of him even having the most basic insight about his condition. It would be nice to think that if he got treatment for depression he wouldn't be such a shitty guy, but sadly I don't think that's true. |
2014-10-02T15:56:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/02/why-pickup-guru-roosh-v-resents-women-for-forcing-him-to-clip-his-fingernails-and-wipe-his-own-ass/comment-page-2/#comment-602943 |
On the rolls thing, I'm 99% sure the pic I used is aimed at making fun of all the guys on the internet who proudly announce they "would not bang" some actress or whoever based on completely ridiculous expectations for bodily perfection -- ie, her elbows are too pointy. That said, I did see one of the supermarket tabloids run a "best and worst beach bodies" feature this summer that declared several actresses fat because they had rolls like Watson's here. |
2014-09-27T19:31:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/27/emma-watson-is-dating-a-rugby-player-checkmate-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-598846 |
Charming factoid: The official twitter account for realsexism.com is @rapebombing https://twitter.com/rapebombing The same guy has a site devvoted to "rapebombing," which is his term for what he calls "Weaponizing false rape allegations by individuals, groups and governments to demonize and terrorise." Apparently if a guy is ever falsely accused of rape (or at least isn';t convicted of it) he's been "rapebombed." http://www.rapebombing.com/ |
2014-09-27T16:28:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/27/today-in-the-fight-against-imaginary-oppression-mens-rightser-furious-over-hire-a-hubby/comment-page-1/#comment-598740 |
And now this is up on the Men's Rights subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2hmqdu/david_futrelle_defends_his_right_to_call_a_man_a/ Apparently you're not allowed to think anyone is guilty of anything unless they've been convicted in court, and if you say what you think out loud it's libel. Courts are always right! (Unless MRAs disagree with their verdicts, of course.) |
2014-09-27T13:45:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/26/the-sam-pepper-story-gets-even-uglier-the-youtube-pranker-now-faces-accusations-of-sexual-assault/comment-page-1/#comment-598654 |
Also, the way they've laid out NotAllWomen makes it look like NoTallWomen. | 2014-09-26T19:15:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/26/a-voice-for-men-publishes-an-article-so-extreme-and-hateful-that-it-makes-even-paul-elam-gag/comment-page-2/#comment-598113 |
Uh, I recognize 2 of those Twitter people in that #EndFatehrsDay thing as 4chan trolls,a nd probably most of the rest are as well. I think I literally proved in a post here that Phoebe Kwon was a troll, that her pic was a stock photo. | 2014-09-26T19:10:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/26/a-voice-for-men-publishes-an-article-so-extreme-and-hateful-that-it-makes-even-paul-elam-gag/comment-page-2/#comment-598110 |
See, this is proof that I still must (somehow) believe they’re capable of some kind of human decency since I first tried to think of what could be bad for even Elam to vomit over.Me too, actually, at first when I saw Elam had taken an article down my thought was that it really was something that was even more hateful than their usual stuff. |
2014-09-26T15:13:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/26/a-voice-for-men-publishes-an-article-so-extreme-and-hateful-that-it-makes-even-paul-elam-gag/comment-page-1/#comment-597963 |
Cloudian, I like that the Redditor who posted that says that "if this does go to trial and Sam is found innocent then Laci should face serious repercussions." Really?! Do they actually think it's illegal to say you think someone's a rapist if they're later found not guilty in court? Should I be prosecuted for saying publicly that I think OJ and George Zimmerman are guilty of murder? |
2014-09-26T11:28:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/26/the-sam-pepper-story-gets-even-uglier-the-youtube-pranker-now-faces-accusations-of-sexual-assault/comment-page-1/#comment-597725 |
weirwoodtreehugger, his 2nd video (in the alleged 3 part series) featured a woman pinching men's butts, and he claims he did this to show that people would be less mad about this than about his video in which he pinched women's butts. It was all a social experiment, guize! But of course he put this out only after getting criticized, and after making countless videos in which he harasses women. | 2014-09-26T11:24:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/26/the-sam-pepper-story-gets-even-uglier-the-youtube-pranker-now-faces-accusations-of-sexual-assault/comment-page-1/#comment-597717 |
I never said that all porn is consensual; I simply noted that there is a lot of porn out there that is. And how you got "all women are good for is fucking in your eyes" from anything I wrote is a mystery. | 2014-09-25T17:40:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/01/jlaws-leaked-nudes-for-men-who-hate-women-the-violation-of-privacy-is-part-of-the-thrill/comment-page-4/#comment-596304 |
To be fair, JtO wasn't literally advocating the nuke thing, which he basically admitted to in a later couple of videos; he was trolling for attention and using it as a (terrible) analogy for why men need to GTOW. Yeah, I know, it still doesn't make any sense. | 2014-09-25T17:36:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/25/that-guy-who-thinks-drunk-female-guests-are-the-gravest-threat-to-fraternities-is-the-new-mens-rights-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-596294 |
Woody, you're on moderation because your comments continue to be incredibly boring. But I guess I'll let through those that aren't knee-jerk defenses of AVFM. | 2014-09-25T17:32:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/24/frats-are-under-seige-by-drunken-women-warns-overgrown-overtan-frat-man-on-forbes-com/comment-page-3/#comment-596286 |
I've put Adrian on moderation for rape apology. Adrian, if you can't figure out what you said that was rape apologism, please read the comments from others here again. On the issue of drunk sex: No, consensual sex doesn't become rape if one or both of the partners has had something to drink. But in the context of Frezza's victim blaming post, it's clear he's talking about women that are drunk to the point of incapacity -- eg, they're falling out of windows. Having sex with someone too drunk to consent is rape. |
2014-09-25T16:00:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/24/frats-are-under-seige-by-drunken-women-warns-overgrown-overtan-frat-man-on-forbes-com/comment-page-3/#comment-596164 |
I've put GNL on moderation; not sure if I'll let through anything by him, but certainly he's done in this thread. thermonictriode, I wasn't making fun of STEM; I was making fun of a certain type of dudebro who thinks he's logical but isn't, and who often (as Frezza does) has a techy background. Sorry if that wasnt' clear. |
2014-09-25T14:39:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/24/frats-are-under-seige-by-drunken-women-warns-overgrown-overtan-frat-man-on-forbes-com/comment-page-3/#comment-596063 |
But the game journalists have a MAILING LIST!! Will change the man panties thing. |
2014-09-24T23:04:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/24/the-femborg-collective-has-its-sights-on-the-nfl-professional-football-is-doomed/comment-page-2/#comment-594825 |
Oh, no, attractive actress dates a guys who's supposedly ... very handsome. What an outrage! | 2014-09-24T08:30:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/23/the-emma-you-are-next-site-cant-be-dismissed-as-a-lulzy-prank-its-an-assault-on-the-civil-rights-of-women/comment-page-3/#comment-593605 |
BIG NEWS: It looks like the Emma You Are Next page was a twisted "viral marketing" hoax; I've updated the post to reflect this. | 2014-09-23T22:09:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/23/the-emma-you-are-next-site-cant-be-dismissed-as-a-lulzy-prank-its-an-assault-on-the-civil-rights-of-women/comment-page-2/#comment-592828 |
I suggested people could come here to discuss, but made clear that assholes aren't welcome. | 2014-09-23T12:03:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/23/the-emma-you-are-next-site-cant-be-dismissed-as-a-lulzy-prank-its-an-assault-on-the-civil-rights-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-592075 |
I just put up a version of this on YouTube; I embedded the video in the post at the end. Nothing fancy, just me reading this. It's sort of an experiment. Feel free to offer your reactions, suggestions for improvement, etc. Yeah, I need a new microphone, Weird buzzing. Filtered most of it out, but wasn't able to get it all. Needless to say given the topic I went ahead and disabled comments on its YouTube page. |
2014-09-23T11:55:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/23/the-emma-you-are-next-site-cant-be-dismissed-as-a-lulzy-prank-its-an-assault-on-the-civil-rights-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-592062 |
Let's see, I write a post about a woman being harassed to shut her up, so trolly comes here to post a video by an asshole attacking her based on lies about what she said? Huh, I think troll is going to have to find somewhere else to post. | 2014-09-23T10:06:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/23/the-emma-you-are-next-site-cant-be-dismissed-as-a-lulzy-prank-its-an-assault-on-the-civil-rights-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-591944 |
Ha! I have to admit I put the UmJammer Lammy game on top of the pile to see if anyone would recognize it. I may not have much gamer nerd cred but I DO have UnJammer Lammy! | 2014-09-22T18:30:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/22/attention-gamergate-partisans-gaming-is-not-just-your-hobby/comment-page-2/#comment-590917 |
Thanks for the permissions! Hey, Buttercup,could I quote you as well? |
2014-09-22T07:00:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/21/mens-rightsers-take-up-arms-against-the-vidya-game-destroyers-never-give-up-never-surrender-and-dont-shop-at-kroger/comment-page-2/#comment-590162 |
Hey Misha, andiexist, headless unicorn, ruby, M. the Social Justice Ranger, would you mind if I quoted you in a post? I could keep your name/nym out of it if you prefer. (I probably won't end up quoting you all, but I wanted to ask permission first.) | 2014-09-22T04:54:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/21/mens-rightsers-take-up-arms-against-the-vidya-game-destroyers-never-give-up-never-surrender-and-dont-shop-at-kroger/comment-page-1/#comment-590066 |
And he's banned, for general ickiness. | 2014-09-21T20:44:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/21/you-all-need-to-watch-this-music-video-that-deftly-rebuts-christina-hoff-sommers-on-vidya-games-gamergate-panderingtodickheads/comment-page-2/#comment-589609 |
Oops, that embedded video was supposed to be a link; well, you can click on the youtube icon to see the original youtube page with the comments on it. | 2014-09-21T19:32:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/18/anton-lavey-impersonator-davis-aurini-makes-a-film-and-its-worse-than-you-could-possibly-imagine/comment-page-4/#comment-589445 |
Director dude, there is literally no way as a YouTube video poster you can track comments back to where the commenters came from.
If any of the criticisms you got were actually abusive and not just "your movie sucks" then the people who posted the abusive stuff are assholes. No one deserves internet abuse.
I'd be curious if you got any comments along these lines:
Dorian Leverkühn 2 months ago Meanwhile, David Manboobz is the creepy fat ugly guy who can't speak English, who cleans the bleachers after hours, who can only look at the empty "bullpen" with envy, and who goes home to masturbate using his dirty Sham-Wow in the hopes that it had accumulated some female ass sweat. Mr. X 2 months ago Ironically, David Futrelle has man-tits. Even the old hags that read his stupid blog would reject his sexual advances. What a train wreck. Mike Lopez 2 months ago David Futrelle is a fat washed up loser who thinks that sucking up to Feminists will get him somewhere. David Futrelle you're the biggest hypocrite on the internet not to mention your pathetic bands of brainwashed dim witted followers with daddy issues. Please go jump off a cliff you fat swine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBaX2b9Fxr0 These were all left on one of my YouTube videos. There are many more like these. I deleted the more violent ones. I got death threats (on Tumblr) for defending Sarkeesian online. Last night on Tumblr I had to spend ten minutes deleting literally 172 spam "submissions" from a troll, half of which were penis pics. People have started entire blogs just to slander me. Meanwhile, the writer/producer of your little film is trying to fund an entire documentary devoted to attacking Anita Sarkeesian. Have a little bit of perspective, in other words. |
2014-09-21T19:31:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/18/anton-lavey-impersonator-davis-aurini-makes-a-film-and-its-worse-than-you-could-possibly-imagine/comment-page-4/#comment-589440 |
Newsflash: It is not YOUR hobby,Exactly. I mean, I own more than 100 console games. (I tend to pick them up late in the console cycles for cheap.) And over the years I've owned 5 different consoles; 7 if you count replacement consoles bought because I wore out the originals. 8 if you want to count the Sega Genesis a roomate of mine owned and which I played the crap out of Sonic 1 and 2 on. Oh, plus I used to obsessively play games on an old PDA which was basically a gaming handheld for me. Scratch that, 2 PDA; I wore the first one out PLAYING GAMES. But I'm sure I wouldn't count as a gamer to these guys because, I don't know, even though I play a lot of shooters I often play on the easy setting, and I don't play multiplayer, and the games I've played the most of have been open-world games in which I mostly just goof off. And the games I played on the PDA were things like backgammon. Oh, and also because I don't consider gaming to be a giant part of my identity. I mean, I watch a lot of movies, and while I definitely consider myself a big movie fan I don't call myself a "movier." I like that "gamers" (or at least the #GamerGate types) are happy to accept people like Hoff Sommers and that dude from Breitbart as experts on the subject of sexism in gaming -- even though that Breitbart dude has played only one game ever -- but somehow Anita Sarkeesian is a fake gamer even though she's played dozens if not hundreds of games. |
2014-09-21T19:06:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/21/mens-rightsers-take-up-arms-against-the-vidya-game-destroyers-never-give-up-never-surrender-and-dont-shop-at-kroger/comment-page-1/#comment-589377 |
(And before any #gamergaters cry, ah ha, objectification of men, uh, you need to play the game. These are comedy dongs, not sexy at all. Well, scratch that, there are probably some people really in to it.) | 2014-09-21T18:38:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/21/you-all-need-to-watch-this-music-video-that-deftly-rebuts-christina-hoff-sommers-on-vidya-games-gamergate-panderingtodickheads/comment-page-1/#comment-589330 |
Marinerachel, here you go! The dongs are inside shorts, but they dangle noticably during gameplay. http://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/296470/ |
2014-09-21T18:36:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/21/you-all-need-to-watch-this-music-video-that-deftly-rebuts-christina-hoff-sommers-on-vidya-games-gamergate-panderingtodickheads/comment-page-1/#comment-589323 |
CH Sommers is also supporting the #GamerGaters. She's very excited to find people on the internet who like her. This may be worth a post. | 2014-09-21T02:49:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/20/misogynists-go-through-all-5-stages-of-grief-upon-learning-that-lindy-west-has-been-hired-by-gq/comment-page-1/#comment-588538 |
The whole screed about this particular journalist’s time being up and that she’ll never find any work again is very reminiscent of the lies one tells oneself when they’re very angry/jealous at a person for being popular and imagining that their audience will evaporate.This is something the AVFMers do constantly, I think largely b/c Elam does it all the time, declaring people irrelevant because they've criticized him. They've done this with everyone from libertarian antifeminsit writer Cathy Young (for writing one snarky sentence about them in a column) to the SPLC. And of course they're constantly going on about how I'm losing my audience and washed up bla bla bla, and, uh, WHTM traffic is going up, my blogs are getting shitloads of positive media attention, my kitties remain adorable, etc. |
2014-09-21T02:14:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/20/misogynists-go-through-all-5-stages-of-grief-upon-learning-that-lindy-west-has-been-hired-by-gq/comment-page-1/#comment-588495 |
Zolnier, apparently they ram into women like they're playing football and pour drinks on them, then go home alone. http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2012/10/guest-post-uber-alpha-manosphere.html |
2014-09-20T10:26:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/20/youll-be-horrified-to-learn-where-one-popular-pickup-guru-has-found-what-he-claims-are-useful-dating-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-587636 |
Anton LaPUA. I'm using that! The film would have been so much better if it had ended with knocking on a door and then Anton LaPUA yelling, "Mom! I'm doing my VOICEOVER. You're ruining everything, like you always do! I hate you I hate you! I'll be down for dinner in a minute." |
2014-09-19T00:13:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/18/anton-lavey-impersonator-davis-aurini-makes-a-film-and-its-worse-than-you-could-possibly-imagine/comment-page-2/#comment-586307 |
Hey, RandomPoster, here's the attention you wanted! You're getting a little timeout. I might let through your comments at some later date, but only if they're not quite so obviously trolling. |
2014-09-18T03:03:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/15/did-professional-sarkeesian-hater-davis-aurini-commit-felony-wire-fraud-hell-if-i-know-but-hes-definitely-an-unethical-dick/comment-page-5/#comment-585295 |
Lipstick Mantis, the suicide thing, not appropriate. Deleted. Nequam, wait, what other forum is discussing this? I want to go there! |
2014-09-17T17:46:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/17/women-are-from-earth-men-are-from-tau-ceti/comment-page-2/#comment-584962 |
Hembling was already withdrawing from AVFM even before that Daily Beast piece suggested he was the up and coming MR rock star, and this continued on for a while. There was even one time in which he-- gasp -- disagreed with Elam in the comments at AVFM (I forget about what). Now he's off the masthead entirely. Not sure what the issue is. Possibly that AVFM decided to stop pushing Register Her, which was his little project? Possibly a conflict with Esmay over that? Or maybe Elam was jealous he got so much attention from the Daily Beast and/or got pissed that Hembling was arguing with him in public? Who knows. | 2014-09-17T17:23:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/17/masculinist-india-a-woman-hating-mens-rights-group-even-more-extreme-than-its-western-inspirations/comment-page-1/#comment-584949 |
I haven't caught up with the comments here yet but holy crap, Cloudiah, that site is a gold mine of terrible graphcis with terrible messages! I'm going to do a quick post on it. | 2014-09-17T14:31:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/17/women-are-from-earth-men-are-from-tau-ceti/comment-page-2/#comment-584849 |
cryomancer, every indication is that his blog is completely serious. speaking of which, here's his response, such as it is, to my post: http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/pre-rational-developmentally-impaired-testosterone-challenged-haters-are-narcissists/ |
2014-09-17T14:24:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/13/creepy-expat-dates-18-year-olds-because-they-make-excellent-devoted-sex-slaves/comment-page-3/#comment-584844 |
Yes, yes, let's do an atheist dudebro one! Maybe even a Dawkins Twitter bingo! Send along suggestions for both! |
2014-09-17T14:17:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/12/mra-bingo-brainstorming-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-584841 |
Ironically, JudgyBitch seems to have gotten her original account unbanned. | 2014-09-16T18:54:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/16/we-cannot-let-women-take-over-the-tech-industry-because-cats/comment-page-1/#comment-584144 |
armenia4ever will definitely stick the flounce. banned for trolling and generally being a turd. | 2014-09-16T18:39:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/15/did-professional-sarkeesian-hater-davis-aurini-commit-felony-wire-fraud-hell-if-i-know-but-hes-definitely-an-unethical-dick/comment-page-4/#comment-584138 |
I can't believe I forgot the gaming illuminati! Will add to the list. Also, Reptile, thanks for posting that! I will also add "everything must cater to meeeee" to the list, as it's much more appropriate on my card than on yours. |
2014-09-16T16:55:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/16/gamergate-bingo-is-here/comment-page-1/#comment-584033 |
I'm definitely adding "Christina Hoff Sommers is a feminist" to the card. | 2014-09-15T15:14:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/15/mras-and-gamergaters-maybe-youre-the-baddies/comment-page-2/#comment-583254 |
I'm not trying to say that having day of the dead stuff, or punk rock stuff with skull motifs, or even owning a skull is itself bad or creepy or risible. It's their tryhard cartoon villain aesthetic that's the problem. It's sort of like when Garth Brook turned himself into Chris Gaines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Gaines https://www.google.com/search?q=chris+gaines&num=100&client=firefox-a&hs=5AI&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=CDAXVKWvJIakyATcs4GgAQ&ved=0CDcQsAQ&biw=1442&bih=555&dpr=0.9 |
2014-09-15T13:33:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/15/mras-and-gamergaters-maybe-youre-the-baddies/comment-page-1/#comment-583162 |
I updated the post, just to confirm the info from the SFPD. She did call them, the case has been handed off to the FBI. Also, I updated the Boob Roll in the sidebar and gave it a new name. (Thanks, Cloudiah, for your help!) I may add a few more sites later. I need to update the Antidotes list as well. Stay tuned later today for another post that features more HeadButt. |
2014-09-15T10:47:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/15/did-professional-sarkeesian-hater-davis-aurini-commit-felony-wire-fraud-hell-if-i-know-but-hes-definitely-an-unethical-dick/comment-page-1/#comment-583048 |
Thanks, kittehserf and strivingally. And everyone else who's contributed! | 2014-09-15T08:33:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/12/mra-bingo-brainstorming-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-582974 |
Ha! Bodsy and leocigale, excellent! Also, I assume the red-haired feminist in the cartoon is supposed to be Rebecca Watson. No idea who the pregnant blonde woman is. |
2014-09-15T03:07:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/14/baffling-mra-meme-of-the-day-feminism-creates-equality-like-mcdonalds-solves-world-hunger/comment-page-1/#comment-582852 |
Also, a mostly unrelated request: I'm looking for examples of PUAs saying things that suggest they're terrible at sex. We've got "cunnilingus is beta," and I recently ran across a post in r/theredpill from a guy who's turned off when women actually enjoy sex. But I know there are a lot more examples of this, some of which I may have written about earlier. PUAs seem much more interested in bragging rights than in actually enjoying sex. Can you all think of any? | 2014-09-15T01:32:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/12/mra-bingo-brainstorming-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-582829 |
Ok, so I've assembled a MASSIVE MRA bingo list and an almost-as-massive PUA/Red Pill list. But I could still use a lot more ideas for the #GamerGate list. They don't have to be super-specific to GamerGate; some can be the general misogynistic stuff we hear from gamebros all the time and that #GamerGaters tend to agree with and/or repeat themselves. I could also use more funny PUA/Red Pill ones. PUAs obviously have a lot of silly terminology/acronyms, but I feel like I've got too many of those in the mix. And keep the FeMRA ideas coming; if I get enough I could do a card for them. Also, at some point I think I want to do a general "derailing" bing card, filled with common derailing tactics that aren't specific to MRAs, etc. So if you have any ideas for that, let me know. |
2014-09-15T01:27:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/12/mra-bingo-brainstorming-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-582828 |
Kav P, the "joke" in that imaginary comic is that male feminists are like male praying mantises, in that the evil female feminsts/mantises will eventually cut off all of our heads once they're done having sex with us, I guess. | 2014-09-14T22:54:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/14/baffling-mra-meme-of-the-day-feminism-creates-equality-like-mcdonalds-solves-world-hunger/comment-page-1/#comment-582751 |
So many good ideas! I'm going to start pulling these together into actual bingo cards! | 2014-09-14T22:25:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/12/mra-bingo-brainstorming-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-582735 |
Off topic, but is anyone having trouble getting to WHTM? Say, getting security messages saying the site has been "reported as unsafe," the reason given being that you'll be "exposed to malicious links or payloads?" | 2014-09-14T08:29:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/13/creepy-expat-dates-18-year-olds-because-they-make-excellent-devoted-sex-slaves/comment-page-2/#comment-582495 |
I think there are a lot of people out there who don't really realize just how bad it is; this exhibit might reach some of them and get the point across in a visceral way. I mean, I've been on the internet since the 90s, and I didn't really "get it" until I got a taste of this sort of harassment after starting this blog. | 2014-09-13T10:09:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/13/a-womans-room-online-attempts-to-convey-the-real-world-consequences-of-online-harassment/comment-page-1/#comment-581906 |
I knew I could count on you all! So many good suggestions!
The only thing I think we might need more of is PUA-specific things for the PUA card.
Well, and maybe some more derailing ones that aren't specfic to MRAs for a more general derailing bing card.
And maybe I'll make a WHTM-specific one too.
This bingo card is going to end up covering 1000 square miles.The more suggestions the better! It'll be a couple of days at least before I start making up the cards -- well, to be more specific, the lists that will be used to randomly generate the cards -- so keep the suggestions coming! Thanks! |
2014-09-13T08:24:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/12/mra-bingo-brainstorming-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-581839 |
Doug, I put you on moderation for saying terrible shit about rape. This comment of yours got through by accident. But the fact that you're coming back to argue more about rape when your awful comments on rape got you modded in the first place makes me think you should simply not be posting here at all. Banned. | 2014-09-12T22:18:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-5/#comment-581512 |
marinerachel, yes I love as much as the distance between the wiggling paws of a kitten wearing a sideways, pulsating baseball cap with a butterfly on it and blinking. | 2014-09-12T21:12:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/12/thank-you-thank-you-very-much-the-third-quarter-pledge-drive-is-drawing-to-a-close/comment-page-1/#comment-581478 |
I remember going to a feminist meeting once where there was some chanting. I remember it as if it were yesterday:
God is dead! Satan lives! Hail, Satan! The year is one! Hail, Satan! The year is one and God is done! The year is one! Hail, Adrian! Hail, Satan! Why don't you help us out, Rosemary? Be a real mother to Adrian. You don't have to join if you don't want to. Just be a mother to your baby.Oh, wait, that was Rosemary's Baby. |
2014-09-12T18:46:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/12/exciting-new-meme-confusedjanetbloomfield-againstfeminism/comment-page-2/#comment-581372 |
fruitloopsie, your skit captures her almost perfectly, except for one thing: she didn't hold up that "bathing in feminist tears" pic she posts 50 times a day as if it's some kind of automatic debate-winner. On that 9/11 firefighter thing, usually MRAs go with the "women are selfish and lazy for not being firefighters/in the military" and the "women are totes unqualified to be firefighters/in the military" on alternate days, so that they don't break their brains with the cognitive dissonence. JB does both at once! |
2014-09-12T18:42:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/12/exciting-new-meme-confusedjanetbloomfield-againstfeminism/comment-page-2/#comment-581365 |
Thanks to those who shared personal stories. And thanks Arithia and others for the anthropological/genetic perspective on this manosphere nonsense. I put anon2's comments back up because they're so ridiculous and wrong.They don't bother me, but if they bother you all I'm happy to take them down. I've put him on moderation in case he decides to get nastier, as trolls are wont to do. There are all sorts of reasons peoople stay with abusive people or in bad relationships. I know one guy who stayed in a relationship with a manipulative and emotionally abusive woman partly because she threatened to kill herself if he left, and partly b/c he was clinically depressed and afraid of being alone, and basically felt that a bad relationship was better than no relationship. (He was ultimately able to extract himself.) People's motivations are complicated. |
2014-09-11T17:34:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/11/leave-it-to-the-spearhead-to-come-up-with-the-most-repellent-take-on-ray-rice-ive-seen-thus-far/comment-page-3/#comment-580682 |
Aw, shucks. And thanks, everyone! There will be a book. I just have to get my act together and write a proposal. |
2014-09-11T06:45:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/10/check-out-my-interview-on-vice-about-harassment-of-women-online/comment-page-1/#comment-580296 |
Also, pitchguest *is* banned. If I let his comments through by accident, sorry. | 2014-09-11T06:33:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/05/youll-never-guess-what-misogynistic-gamebros-did-to-these-two-women-in-gaming-hint-drove-them-out/comment-page-4/#comment-580292 |
I'm going to say yes? Sometimes I let spam through when it's especially charming, and the sudden changes in subject matter in that comment won me over. |
2014-09-11T06:29:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/05/youll-never-guess-what-misogynistic-gamebros-did-to-these-two-women-in-gaming-hint-drove-them-out/comment-page-4/#comment-580290 |
Nobody? Nobody? Beuller? | 2014-09-10T22:28:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/science-proves-that-men-going-their-own-way-dont-go-anywhere-really/comment-page-3/#comment-580056 |
"Reality" wrote 2 comments that didn't go through, then realized he was banned. He then wrote 5 more comments. Really. If anyone wants to see them (other than Reality) I'll let them through. |
2014-09-10T22:18:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/science-proves-that-men-going-their-own-way-dont-go-anywhere-really/comment-page-3/#comment-580041 |
"Reality," you seem to be having trouble going your own way, so I've decided to give you a little help with a ban. | 2014-09-10T22:02:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/science-proves-that-men-going-their-own-way-dont-go-anywhere-really/comment-page-3/#comment-580020 |
JacquesCuze’s handle is indeed pretty clever. Alas, it is the only good or interesting thing about him. | 2014-09-10T21:24:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/10/spamming-doxxing-and-sockpuppeting-4channers-dirty-tricks-straight-from-their-irc-log/comment-page-1/#comment-579971 |
Karl, from the comments policy:
If a bunch of commenters tell you a word is inappropriate, drop it from your vocabulary here and move on. Don’t argue about it, or explain that in your country it’s perfectly acceptable. I don’t care.You can have whatever opinion you want about what language is and isn't appropriate, but when you're here just follow the accepted norms about language and don't argue about it. |
2014-09-09T04:08:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/03/you-wont-believe-what-reddits-red-pill-alpha-dogs-are-saying-about-the-stolen-jlaw-nudes-or-maybe-you-will/comment-page-4/#comment-578507 |
Keep posting brain bleach! Fruitloopsie, just checked, got your email, sent you a note, thanks! Faint praise, on Twitter a couple of guys were arguing that these guys weren't doxxing b/c nothing had been "hacked." |
2014-09-08T15:06:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/08/zoe-quinns-screenshots-of-4chans-dirty-tricks-were-just-the-appetizer-heres-the-first-course-of-the-dinner-directly-from-the-irc-log/comment-page-1/#comment-577905 |
Kim, yeah, I should ask Leocigale to fix that. | 2014-09-08T07:30:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/07/gamergate-showdown-the-lavander-menace-vs-the-somewhat-socially-awkward-young-men/comment-page-3/#comment-577647 |
I probably should have gone with a Back to the Future joke. Anyhoo, I changed the Deah of a Salesman quote. Ah well, it's funny to me. |
2014-09-07T22:05:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/07/is-u-ass-bif-the-question-of-our-time/comment-page-1/#comment-577448 |
Yes. Biff applied for a job there but didn't get it because he stole a pen. | 2014-09-07T21:47:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/07/is-u-ass-bif-the-question-of-our-time/comment-page-1/#comment-577437 |
Thanks for the seals! I added leocigale's to the post, and will put it in the sidebar. Oh, and sorry about the blatant typo in the headline, which I have now fixed. Ooops. |
2014-09-07T18:17:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/07/gamergate-showdown-the-lavander-menace-vs-the-somewhat-socially-awkward-young-men/comment-page-2/#comment-577355 |
TebTeb, I have the full chatlog, and honestly, it's more damning than just the screenshots. It's full of terrible stuff, people doxing, explicitly talking about sockpuppeting,hacking accounts, all sorts of misogynistic and racist shit. The screenshots are really just the tip of the iceberg. | 2014-09-07T07:09:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/06/do-you-still-think-that-gamergate-is-a-spontaneous-movement-against-game-industry-corruption-zoe-quinn-has-some-screenshots-to-show-you/comment-page-2/#comment-576937 |
Shiraz, no, that's Mystery, the guy behind the forum I found one of these negs on. Not sure if the neg itself is one of Mystery's. | 2014-09-06T17:58:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/06/that-finance-douchebag-on-tinder-is-a-perfect-example-of-pickup-artistry-gone-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-576474 |
Thanks, everyone! Tired Texan, I'm not sure than any amount of treats could possibly unconfuse my cats. But they do like treats. Well, one of them does. The other one weirdly doesn't give a damn. |
2014-09-05T17:35:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/05/pledge-drive-kittens-with-cash-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-575793 |
That's not a bad idea. Thanks! And thanks to everyone who's donated! |
2014-09-05T13:58:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/05/pledge-drive-kittens-with-cash-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-575683 |
Hey everyone, I just posted a new Open Thread for September, so head on over there! | 2014-09-04T06:18:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/10/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-august-2014-suspended-kitty-edition/comment-page-11/#comment-574561 |
Cloudiah, congrats on surviving your job interview ordeal! I recommend that whoever is in charge hire you at once. But I'm not sure my recommendation counts for much. Katz, congrats on the book, and on adopting out the kitties! Also, I'm with everyone here on the "killing puppies is wrong" thing. How can these people claim to be animal lovers if part of their "job" consists of killing perfectly healthy puppies that they themselves have bred? |
2014-09-04T01:30:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/10/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-august-2014-suspended-kitty-edition/comment-page-10/#comment-574419 |
J, it's really not much of a joke to someone who doesn't play TF2. "Maggot" is not the death threat. The ones about reducing my neck to paste and blowing out my brains are. If you were to call up the president and say "I'm gonna blow the inside of ya head over five counties" I'm pretty sure the secret service would not be impressed that it was a game reference. You'd be jailed for threatening the president. If you went into a bank and yelled "I've got a bomb and I'm going to blow this whole place up!" it wouldn't matter that this is a quote from the movie "Cobra." A threat is a threat, whether or not it's a quote from somewhere. |
2014-09-03T16:40:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/30/i-get-death-threats-for-writing-about-the-death-threats-sent-to-anita-sarkeesian/comment-page-3/#comment-573996 |
I added a link to the donation page in the post, and updated with the info on water.org rejecting their money too. Thanks misha and contrapangloss. | 2014-09-03T16:09:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/03/prostate-cancer-foundation-to-reddit-fappers-we-dont-want-your-tainted-money/comment-page-1/#comment-573973 |
JB can suffer consequences for being an asshole; she shouldn’t have to suffer any consequences just for being a woman. Posting her image somewhere to be harassed and mocked would be the latter, no matter what the context.Exactly. On the prostate cancer thing, and the petition, if these guys really wanted to donate money, they still could. They just can't do it while crowing about how happy they are to see JLaw naked without her consent. The foundation simply took down a page one of these dudes set up to raise money in "honor" of JLaw's stolen pics, because they don't want to be used as part of a PR move by some of the internet's worst scumbags. These guys could also donate to another worthwhile charity. |
2014-09-03T01:47:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/01/jlaws-leaked-nudes-for-men-who-hate-women-the-violation-of-privacy-is-part-of-the-thrill/comment-page-4/#comment-573551 |
That "white male" comment has got to be a joke. But it's really not far off from stuff that MRAs actually say all the time. | 2014-09-03T01:26:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/02/program-note-i-will-probably-be-on-national-public-radios-all-things-considered-today/comment-page-1/#comment-573541 |
Well, I'm glad they included some critical comments from me and from Gwyneth Williams, but I have to say I expected a lot better from NPR. It was much too sympathetic to what is in its essence a hate movement devoted to harassing women. | 2014-09-02T16:14:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/02/program-note-i-will-probably-be-on-national-public-radios-all-things-considered-today/comment-page-1/#comment-573239 |
Obviously "catching fire" is a metaphor for painful flatulence after eating too much Taco Bell. I'm assuming. I haven't read the books or seen the films, obviously, but who needs to read books or see films to offer opinions about them? | 2014-09-02T04:37:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/01/jlaws-leaked-nudes-for-men-who-hate-women-the-violation-of-privacy-is-part-of-the-thrill/comment-page-2/#comment-572866 |
I'm working on a short post about the leaked nudes and Reddit. | 2014-09-01T16:11:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/01/cats-at-work-a-labor-day-tribute/comment-page-1/#comment-572455 |
Edward, everyone here is tired of your victim-blaming bullshit, including me. Banned. | 2014-08-31T11:31:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/28/each-new-video-that-anita-sarkeesian-posts-is-a-sign-that-the-bullies-are-losing/comment-page-8/#comment-571402 |
I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees that it's not cool to harass kids because their parents are shits. | 2014-08-30T23:02:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/30/was-janet-judgy-bitch-bloomfield-kicked-off-twitter-for-posting-a-picture-of-a-cake-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-571050 |
childrenofthebroccoli, sorry your kitty's not feeling well, hopefully the vets can figure out what's going on! Video games: I've been playing LA Noire. Frankly, though I really like the game's version of 1940s LA, the crime-solving is sort of boring. I need to do a few more missions before I open up free roam. Maybe that'll be more fun. I like just driving around in big open worlds, and am a little bored with GTA V, even though its open world is giant and amazing. |
2014-08-30T18:36:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/30/i-get-death-threats-for-writing-about-the-death-threats-sent-to-anita-sarkeesian/comment-page-2/#comment-570855 |
IB, feel free to take your crusade to define just what threats and what rapes are "real" elsewhere. Bye. | 2014-08-30T16:41:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/30/i-get-death-threats-for-writing-about-the-death-threats-sent-to-anita-sarkeesian/comment-page-2/#comment-570785 |
Thanks, everyone! I'm taking steps to stay safe. | 2014-08-30T14:07:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/30/i-get-death-threats-for-writing-about-the-death-threats-sent-to-anita-sarkeesian/comment-page-1/#comment-570666 |
ebilflindas, I didn't knoiw that. Though I own the Orange Box and have played through Half Life 2 twice, I never play multiplayer anything, which I guess makes me not a real gamer. But I guess it makes sense they'd crib their threats from video games. | 2014-08-30T14:06:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/30/i-get-death-threats-for-writing-about-the-death-threats-sent-to-anita-sarkeesian/comment-page-1/#comment-570665 |
BarnBurner, what in your mind is wrong with women who've had sex with many guys? | 2014-08-29T15:11:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/28/attention-heartiste-don-draper-is-not-an-actual-person/comment-page-4/#comment-569881 |
I figuratively fucked 2000+ women last year. Bina, when he complains about feminists being racist, I'd bet a figurative $1 million that he means "racist" towards white people. Or white men anyway. It seems like most of the time when Redditors complain about racism that's what they mean. |
2014-08-29T12:46:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/29/dramatic-reading-friday-a-brave-reddit-warrior-takes-on-the-sarkeesian-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-569798 |
On the ads: I agreed to let wordpress put more ads on the page, as I could really use the additional ad revenue. Unfortunately, I don't have any control over just what ads they put on the page. Feel free to ignore them! Oh, and on a completely unrelated topic: There was some question about how popular Heartiste is, with someone saying an AVFMer has said that "nobody's heard of him." This of course is completely untrue: according to Alexa, his site (a basic blog with one autor) actually gets a lot more traffic than AVFM (with multiple posts by multiple authors up on it every day). http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/heartiste.wordpress.com http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/avoiceformen.com ALso, Roosh's personal blog gets nearly as much traffic as AVFM, apparently: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rooshv.com And his Return of Kings siite gets way, way more, than either AVFM or Heartiste: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/returnofkings.com Alas, WHTM gets a lot less traffic than any of them (although I think Alexa may be way off in its estimates; its estimates of the number of pages viewed by readers is way off the actual data I get from wordpress -- they have it at less than 2, when it's more like 3 or 4.) http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wehuntedthemammoth.com Confused Cats is more popular, though alas its traffic has fallen from its initial highs: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Fconfusedcatsagainstfeminism.tumblr.com |
2014-08-29T10:55:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/28/attention-heartiste-don-draper-is-not-an-actual-person/comment-page-4/#comment-569739 |
Oops, I did mean pupils. | 2014-08-28T14:52:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/28/attention-heartiste-don-draper-is-not-an-actual-person/comment-page-1/#comment-568783 |
I don't think the Sarkeesian Effect fundraiser can or should be shut down; I think that's a bad idea in principle and a bad move tactically. Sarkeesian is a public figure so they have every right to make videos and/or films about her. That is not in itself harassment. Fact is, there is plenty out there that IS quite plainly hate speech and harassment directed at Sarkeesian. Going after this fundraiser would 1) allow them to claim censorship and give them more attention and 2) undermine efforts to shut down real hate speech against her by conflating criticism (however dumb and mean-spirited it might be) with harassment and hate speech -- and thus allow Sarkeesian's real harassers to also hide behind the "free speech" defense. |
2014-08-27T05:09:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/24/a-proposed-new-anti-anita-sarkeesian-documentary-promises-to-give-voice-to-the-loudest-silent-majority-the-world-has-ever-known/comment-page-5/#comment-567286 |
Sarah, yeah, I saw that just a few minutes after posting this. So I've updated the post. It's a Vox Day Day here at WHTM! | 2014-08-26T17:43:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/26/vox-day-reporting-a-rape-you-were-too-incapacitated-to-fully-remember-is-like-calling-the-cops-when-you-cant-remember-where-you-parked-your-car/comment-page-1/#comment-566646 |
Fnoicby, that last embed DID work, but I made it into a link b/c the image it displayed was a bit NSFLunch. | 2014-08-26T15:17:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/26/viral-video-comedy-corner-fedora-defender-vs-viral-kitten/comment-page-1/#comment-566498 |
Yep. Not sure which one. The Man Boobz store profits went to Planned Parenthood. I could stick with that. But I'm open to suggestions. | 2014-08-26T03:49:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/the-confused-cats-against-feminism-store-is-open-for-funny-business/comment-page-1/#comment-566045 |
Ally has written me to say that she will be leaving WHTM; that is, not reading or posting in the comments any more. Anyone who wants to keep in touch with her should email me, and I can pass your email along to her. And that's the case if you want to keep in touch with anyone who is leaving, just email me. For the record, while I'm still sorting through all this, I don't think anyone is on team evil bitch in this situation. I wish I could fix this but I honestly don't know how. Obviously I am very sad to see so many amazing people leaving -- I hope that at least some of you reconsider or decide to make this a temporary thing -- but I understand that people need to do whatever they need to do to feel safe. If anyone has thoughts on how to rachet down the tensions and avoid this sort of situation from arising in the future I am more than happy to hear them, publicly or privately. |
2014-08-25T03:23:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/is-war-machine-the-mixed-martial-arts-fighter-accused-of-brutally-beating-his-ex-a-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-10/#comment-565250 |
This whole situation is very saddening to me, and I don't want to see all (or any) of you go. I want this to be a place where people like you all feel they can speak freely. I will happily set up another thread to discuss this if that's what people want. I'm still trying to sort through all of the issues people have raised. If any of you want to email with any concerns you don't feel comfortable posting, please feel free. Some of you have been doing that already. |
2014-08-25T02:17:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/is-war-machine-the-mixed-martial-arts-fighter-accused-of-brutally-beating-his-ex-a-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-10/#comment-565203 |
And of course he brought up the beach thing rather a lot. And as if it mattered. So, still funny! | 2014-08-25T02:04:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/the-confused-cats-against-feminism-store-is-open-for-funny-business/comment-page-1/#comment-565195 |
Kim, these are great! I'll send you an email. You know, I do feel obliged to point out that whatshisname did actually seem to live on or very near a beach. Not in LA proper, though. He was lying about lots of other stuff though. |
2014-08-25T01:50:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/the-confused-cats-against-feminism-store-is-open-for-funny-business/comment-page-1/#comment-565189 |
I haven't caught up with this thread yet but I'm putting Shiranui on moderation for annoying giffing. Also for being a passive-aggresive butthead. | 2014-08-24T22:46:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/24/a-proposed-new-anti-anita-sarkeesian-documentary-promises-to-give-voice-to-the-loudest-silent-majority-the-world-has-ever-known/comment-page-3/#comment-565082 |
M. Shiranui, they made points? | 2014-08-24T18:16:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/24/a-proposed-new-anti-anita-sarkeesian-documentary-promises-to-give-voice-to-the-loudest-silent-majority-the-world-has-ever-known/comment-page-1/#comment-564781 |
I went ahead and took walter's link down. | 2014-08-24T11:18:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/22/mra-graphix-challenge-design-a-meme-more-misogynistic-than-this-one-from-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-2/#comment-564456 |
The Honey Badgers also did a video about Quinn, in which they apparently make the argument that she's an evil feminist mean girl. I don't know, I didnt; watch, I'm just going from their title and long history of making that argument about all women they don't like. | 2014-08-24T02:41:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/23/mma-fighter-and-accused-woman-beater-war-machine-gets-an-endorsement-from-a-prominent-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-1/#comment-564310 |
Ah, I see that AVFM has a ridiculous piece up complaining about how unfair it is to suggest that War Machine is like MRAs in any way http://www.avoiceformen.com/just-plain-crazy/all-that-needs-to-be-said-about-warmachine-and-theyoungturks/ |
2014-08-24T00:33:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/23/mma-fighter-and-accused-woman-beater-war-machine-gets-an-endorsement-from-a-prominent-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-1/#comment-564261 |
Well, obviously the Zoe Quinn harassment didn't start with the MRAs, but they have happily joined in: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/search?q=quinn&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all |
2014-08-24T00:30:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/23/mma-fighter-and-accused-woman-beater-war-machine-gets-an-endorsement-from-a-prominent-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-1/#comment-564257 |
The one silver lining is that the hashtag is not all THAT active; it's not trending or anything. And some of the people posting in it are getting pushback. Still, what the hell is wrong with these people? | 2014-08-23T12:13:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/23/freewarmachine-a-hashtag-for-the-worst-people-on-planet-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-563907 |
I'm feeling a bit shell shocked by all this as well. Clearly the anger in this thread goes beyond the specific issues being discussed. I honestly don't understand the animosity towards Ally here, or why the "cotton ceiling," a Cathy Brennan favorite, is being discussed at all. (I don't think anyone here is a TERF, but I've literally never heard that phrase being used seriously outside of TERFdom.) Ally, I understand why you feel the way you do, but I truly hope you decide to stay. Hellkell, I'm very sorry that you've decided to leave. |
2014-08-23T09:49:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/is-war-machine-the-mixed-martial-arts-fighter-accused-of-brutally-beating-his-ex-a-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-8/#comment-563845 |
Just catching up on this thread, and I'm basically agreeing with LBT here. The objections to scrotosphere make a lot of sense to me. And I understand the objections to Man Boobz as well; it obviously wasn't meant in a transphobic or body-shaming way, just as a pun, but I can certainly understand the objections to it and that's one of the reasons I changed the name. Probably should have done that a lot sooner. On the men thing, maybe a better phrasing might be "men can be terrifying." |
2014-08-22T23:13:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/is-war-machine-the-mixed-martial-arts-fighter-accused-of-brutally-beating-his-ex-a-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-7/#comment-563609 |
Doug, Adam made more than one comment; click on the date in his tweet to see his comment in context on twitter, and you can see that he doubled down on it when criticized. But even if he had made only one tweet, posting a hostile comment to a stranger that involves a reference to their genitalia is harassment. I'm pretty sure if you sent a note to someone at work along those lines, the HR department would be on your case, and rightly so. The fact that people consider this acceptable behavior on the internet is not a reason to excuse it; that attitude is part of the problem. |
2014-08-22T22:51:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/18/canadian-association-for-equality-spokesman-adam-mcphee-promotes-mens-rights-by-harassing-jessica-valenti-on-twitter/comment-page-2/#comment-563594 |
Buddhaflow, take it elsewhere. Banned. | 2014-08-22T20:29:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/20/game-developer-zoe-quinn-is-the-latest-target-of-the-great-internet-lady-harassment-machine/comment-page-6/#comment-563501 |
googoogjoob42, I'm shutting this particular conversation down because in the context of the harassment going on it's counterproductive, to say the least. If you want to discuss abuse, well, I suggest going here and looking at some of these stories of abuse. Most are stories of abuse directed at women, but I'm sure if you look you'll find some involving male victims as well. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=domestic+violence&oq=domestic+violence&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.5437.7826.0.8121.17.7.0.9.9.2.591.1827.2j2j1j5-2.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.i-Ovvybzais The abuse going on in these stories include not only emotional abuse but violence up to and including murder. The alleged abuse that Quinn is being attacked for consisted of (allegedly) 1) cheating on her boyfriend and 2) lying about it. She is now being attacked and harassed and threatened by half the fucking internet. Not because any of these people give a shit about abuse but because she's a woman involved in video games who's given them an excuse to call her a slut and worse. On the "sleeping with a reviewrer" shit, THE JOURNALIST DID NOT REVIEW HER GAME. Wow, she slept with someone who shared her interest in games. Alert the media! Indepedent game makers are not prohibited from sleeping with writers who write about games. Guess what? Book reviewers are not probibited from sleeping with book authors either. It's only an issue when someone writes a glowing review of something made by someone they're involved with, without disclosing the relationship. Hell, book editors often assign book reviews to friends of the authors, who often simply note the friendship in an aside in the reviews. The idea that of all of the cases of alleged abuse in the world we need to focus on this particular case, the case of a woman who's already being harassed and abused because her alleged victim sicced the entire fucking internet on her is absurd. You've never posted a single comment here before showing up to discuss this. You could have discussed abuse, including abuse of men, here at any time. So why now, why this case? Sorry, this particular discussion is over. |
2014-08-22T14:09:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/20/game-developer-zoe-quinn-is-the-latest-target-of-the-great-internet-lady-harassment-machine/comment-page-5/#comment-563329 |
On Woody, he has to make 5 posts that are relevant and don't mention AVFM. So he's got 3 left. But I'm feeling generous, Woody, so just 2 more and you're ok. |
2014-08-22T02:47:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/is-war-machine-the-mixed-martial-arts-fighter-accused-of-brutally-beating-his-ex-a-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-6/#comment-563026 |
Speaking of Kevin Sorbo, here's the trailer to an actual movie he was in. No, it's really a real movie and not some bizarre parody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sXL6e7s5mg |
2014-08-21T15:52:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/is-war-machine-the-mixed-martial-arts-fighter-accused-of-brutally-beating-his-ex-a-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-3/#comment-562521 |
Unfortunately, I think the thing with the pics is unfixable; wordpress.com just changed how it does links, and I don't seem to have the option to turn it off. But I made the lego thing a link. Ugh, Dawkins. Now he's trying to say that he would *never* tell a woman what to do about abortion. No, just say that she's immoral if she doesn't abort when she's going to have a DS baby. It's bizarre he thinks himself a great human rights crusader when he has so much trouble relating to, you know, actual humans. I much prefer the other Richard Dawkins on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RlCHARDDAWKlNS |
2014-08-21T15:46:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/is-war-machine-the-mixed-martial-arts-fighter-accused-of-brutally-beating-his-ex-a-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-3/#comment-562513 |
Damn, the products are showing up for me (after not showing up for about 12 hours), so I thought they were up for everyone. I'll see if there's something I need to do, otherwise, I guess the store will be open as soon as Zazzle decides to start displaying the products. | 2014-08-21T14:29:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/21/the-confused-cats-against-feminism-store-is-open-for-funny-business/comment-page-1/#comment-562429 |
Jake, I'm putting you on moderation; I'm considering deleting your comment. | 2014-08-21T09:34:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/20/game-developer-zoe-quinn-is-the-latest-target-of-the-great-internet-lady-harassment-machine/comment-page-4/#comment-562184 |
Screaming misogyny is too easy in this case.Yeah, I'm sure the people posting the nude pictures of her, calling her a c*nt and a whore, making fake "Zoe Quinn Dating Simulator" videos, making "burgers and fries" jokes, etc etc all have very serious concerns about very serious issues. Whatever hurt she allegedly inflicted upon her ex, the solution is not to sic a virtual army of the internet's most foul misogynistic assholes on her. That's fucking abusive, and if you can't see that you really don't deserve to call yourself an egalitarian of any kind. |
2014-08-21T09:31:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/20/game-developer-zoe-quinn-is-the-latest-target-of-the-great-internet-lady-harassment-machine/comment-page-4/#comment-562177 |
Ok, once again, if you want to attack or make insinuations about someone who is already being viciously harassed by trolls, this is really not the thread for you. I'm putting Brandon and Emily on moderation. And deleting Emily's comment. | 2014-08-20T12:46:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/20/game-developer-zoe-quinn-is-the-latest-target-of-the-great-internet-lady-harassment-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-561505 |
Brandon, you're already on the borderline here. Journalists who allow themselves to be bribed are at least as culpable as the people who bribe them. But no ethical breach occurred here because no review was written. | 2014-08-20T12:18:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/20/game-developer-zoe-quinn-is-the-latest-target-of-the-great-internet-lady-harassment-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-561468 |
Cloudiah, it would definitely be a breach on the part of the journalist. But mentioning her in a post as a source of info, and listing her game amidst a group of 50 don't count. Yeah, and definitely let us know if anyone posts anything shitty. I've already deleted two comments from MRAs who hadn't posted here before; they are now banned as well. |
2014-08-20T12:15:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/20/game-developer-zoe-quinn-is-the-latest-target-of-the-great-internet-lady-harassment-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-561464 |
Kirbywarp, their actual slogans are even worse. This is my favorite page on the Red Pill Store: http://www.cafepress.com/theredpillshop/11006722 Slogans include "my wallet, my choice" and "real men don't get married" -- so I guess Elam's not a real man, since he's been married 3 or 4 times, as well as Esmay, who is married I believe, and, oh, sorry I guess Judgy Bitch's husband isn't real manly either. But the best one is "feminism is patriarchy on a slutwalk." Because, uh, what!? Another Red Pill Store irony: John Hembling has been kicked out of (or he quit) the misogyny bunch ... but his picture remains. |
2014-08-19T11:44:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/19/are-mens-rights-activists-incapable-of-understanding-irony-or-are-they-just-pretending/comment-page-1/#comment-560572 |
Fixed. | 2014-08-19T07:13:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/14/egalitarian-redditor-explains-why-protesting-michael-browns-shooting-would-be-a-gross-misuse-of-the-mrms-relatively-meager-resources/comment-page-2/#comment-560463 |
Yeah, but that was a black man.Also known in MRAland as "a small subset of men." |
2014-08-17T18:01:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/17/mens-rights-redditors-agree-it-was-empathy-not-misogyny-that-kept-women-from-having-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-559121 |
CONFIDENTIAL TO WOODY: OK, Woody, that's one! Just 4 more! | 2014-08-15T16:00:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/15/the-book-of-laughter-and-castration/comment-page-2/#comment-558038 |
You know, I don't care if he uses "sporkle" in a sentence or not. The part that he's having trouble with is the requirement to post 5 comments that are relevant to the discussion -- and that aren't knee-jerk defenses of AVFM. He posted "sporkle," then continued on with a knee-jerk defense of AVFM. | 2014-08-15T08:47:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/13/misogyny-theater-roosh-vs-the-lady-mras/comment-page-3/#comment-557778 |
Delphi Ote, there's a lot of information coming out of Ferguson that makes pretty clear how over-the-top the quasi-military response to the demonstration tonight was; see that video I linked to for starters. | 2014-08-14T03:27:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/14/open-thread-the-death-of-michael-brown-and-the-situation-in-ferguson/comment-page-1/#comment-556947 |
Here's the only discussion I see of the case on the front page of r/mensrights: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2dhnnj/legit_question_regarding_the_demonstrations_in/ |
2014-08-14T01:55:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/14/open-thread-the-death-of-michael-brown-and-the-situation-in-ferguson/comment-page-1/#comment-556885 |
Ally, yes. I just opened a thread to discuss this. | 2014-08-14T00:43:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/13/misogyny-theater-roosh-vs-the-lady-mras/comment-page-3/#comment-556830 |
Woody actually got the "sporkle" part of the challenge right. He just can't manage the rest of it. | 2014-08-13T22:40:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/13/misogyny-theater-roosh-vs-the-lady-mras/comment-page-2/#comment-556749 |
CONFIDENTIAL TO WOODY: You know you have to pass a troll challenge before you can comment here again, right? It's actually a really really easy challenge. But you are failing it magnificently so far. | 2014-08-13T16:38:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/13/misogyny-theater-roosh-vs-the-lady-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-556498 |
I know these guys are hard to listen to, oh lord do I know. I try to keep these videos as short as possible. And I think I'll keep adding kitties to them as well. | 2014-08-13T16:25:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/13/misogyny-theater-roosh-vs-the-lady-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-556489 |
I fixed the alexa link. Well, replaced it with two that (reportedly) work. It is pretty appalling how much traffic ROK gets. Even Roosh's blog, which he updates only irregularly, does nearly as well trafficwise as AVFM. Clearly he is better at trolling with completely obnoxious articles than AVFM is. | 2014-08-13T16:18:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/13/misogyny-theater-roosh-vs-the-lady-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-556484 |
Neil, oops, of course you're right, not sure what I was thinking, fixed. | 2014-08-13T01:23:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/10/red-pill-dude-women-are-barely-sentient-organic-sex-toys-insufficiently-enthusiastic-hobbyists/comment-page-4/#comment-555841 |
Congrats, Cloudiah! | 2014-08-12T16:36:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/10/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-august-2014-suspended-kitty-edition/comment-page-3/#comment-555493 |
Hugs to everyone who wants them! I've put Gram on moderation and I'm inclined to make it a ban; he shouldn't have been posting in this thread at all. |
2014-08-12T16:36:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/10/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-august-2014-suspended-kitty-edition/comment-page-3/#comment-555491 |
Ewww, just looked at exsplat's post on "the force of paternal love." I think I saw it before and sort of recoiled in horror. On the guy in the pic, I haven't seen the documentary so I don't know if it's the same guy. FWIW, the pic I used is supposedly of French, not American "sex tourists," but of course it could have been mislabeled. |
2014-08-11T01:09:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/09/creepy-expat-properly-owned-women-appreciate-a-mans-pimp-hand/comment-page-4/#comment-554192 |
blahlistic, just to be absolutely clear, the pic is not of him. But I suspect a lot of "relationships" between expats and Southeast Asian women are like this. | 2014-08-09T19:46:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/09/creepy-expat-properly-owned-women-appreciate-a-mans-pimp-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-553270 |
On the "compariing women to children" thing, Redonkulous made a comment here saying categorically that if anyone punched him he would punch them right back. I asked him about specific scenarios to see if he really meant this. One of these scenarios was a small kid punching him. | 2014-08-08T16:45:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/07/paul-elam-if-a-woman-five-feet-tall-and-110-pounds-soaking-wet-hits-me-i-am-going-to-hit-her-back/comment-page-6/#comment-552551 |
CONFIDENTIAL TO W**DY: You are failing the troll challenge I gave to you very badly. | 2014-08-08T02:56:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/07/paul-elam-if-a-woman-five-feet-tall-and-110-pounds-soaking-wet-hits-me-i-am-going-to-hit-her-back/comment-page-5/#comment-551988 |
khamzin, dude, calm down. I didn't read all that either. I'm putting you on moderation. You started off on the wrong foot, but everyone here could have gotten beyond that pretty quickly, if you had just chilled out and taken in what people said and continued on discussing what we're discussing here, instead of making all sorts of long dramatic and very confusing speeches and trying to make the thread all about you. If you want to continue commenting here and get past this, come back tomorrow, write me a note, and maybe I'll read what you said here and offer some advice. But this sort of thing won't fly. |
2014-08-07T20:58:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/07/paul-elam-if-a-woman-five-feet-tall-and-110-pounds-soaking-wet-hits-me-i-am-going-to-hit-her-back/comment-page-3/#comment-551694 |
beegee, I agree that smaller people, whatever gender, can be dangerous. I guess what I was trying to get across was that, as Cloudiah notes. all of Elam's punching women scenarious involve the fantasy of beating someone smaller and weaker. In his short story, there is no fight, the hero punches a woman he's angry at (an ex portrayed in a ridiculously overblown way as a terrible person), breaks her nose. In his "beat a violent bitch month" post the man is assumed to be able to "beat the shit" out of a woman who hits him. And in his post today he makes clear that the only way he could avoid hurting this hypothetical 5 ft woman is if he's able to hold himself back ... though he might not be able to. At no point in any of these fantasies is the woman a real physical threat. |
2014-08-07T18:10:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/07/paul-elam-if-a-woman-five-feet-tall-and-110-pounds-soaking-wet-hits-me-i-am-going-to-hit-her-back/comment-page-2/#comment-551592 |
Bina, I can't let that stand. Mythago is banned; I just let that through as another reminder of the mentality we're dealing with. |
2014-08-07T16:33:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/07/paul-elam-if-a-woman-five-feet-tall-and-110-pounds-soaking-wet-hits-me-i-am-going-to-hit-her-back/comment-page-1/#comment-551511 |
Oops, sorry, I misinterpreted your intent, khamzin. But what I said applies to anyone who DOES think what Elam wrote was satire. |
2014-08-07T15:51:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/07/paul-elam-if-a-woman-five-feet-tall-and-110-pounds-soaking-wet-hits-me-i-am-going-to-hit-her-back/comment-page-1/#comment-551468 |
Dude, did you notice this in the middle of what you quoted: "Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong." That is, in this supposedly satirical piece, Elam says, no, it would be justifiable for men to "to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall." The only reason he says NOT to do it is because men would face punishment for it. It's as if Jonathan Swift had written a note at the end of "A Modest Proposal" that said, "no, I'm not joking. We really should eat babies. This is not satire, baby eating is what I really think we should be doing." |
2014-08-07T15:49:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/07/paul-elam-if-a-woman-five-feet-tall-and-110-pounds-soaking-wet-hits-me-i-am-going-to-hit-her-back/comment-page-1/#comment-551463 |
redonkulas, if the person is half your size and no threat to you? If a child hits you? It's just automatic violence regardless? | 2014-08-07T14:54:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/07/paul-elam-if-a-woman-five-feet-tall-and-110-pounds-soaking-wet-hits-me-i-am-going-to-hit-her-back/comment-page-1/#comment-551416 |
Sparky, you are truly at one with the MRA hivemind. Check out this ebook cover by our old pal Mike Buchanan: http://www.amazon.com/Feminism-Ugly-Truth-Mike-Buchanan/dp/0956641695 |
2014-08-07T12:41:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/a-mens-human-rights-movement-graphixx-xtravaganza-of-joy1/comment-page-3/#comment-551344 |
I'm putting Scorpio on moderation for claiming to be both male and female in different comments. I won't let him and/or her post until I get some sort of plausible explanation for that which doesn't sound like complete bullshit and (in an email) some sort of proof that he and'or she are a real person in the real world. | 2014-08-07T09:36:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/04/lying-as-pr-avfms-janet-bloomfield-libels-jessica-valenti-then-brags-about-it/comment-page-7/#comment-551283 |
Woody, you're boring. I'm putting you on moderation, and won't post anything of yours until you put the word "splorkle" in a comment to show that you're at least reading the comments in the threads you post in. Then I'll need you to make 5 comments that are relevant to a current discussion that aren't knee-jerk defenses of AVFM. | 2014-08-07T09:31:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/06/are-street-harassers-the-real-victims-of-street-harassment-one-mens-rights-redditor-says-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-551279 |
Also, every shitty libelous that she's saying is also being said by Elam, Esmay, and a whole little army of AVFM drones, so the idea that Elam's going to disavow her for saying these things is silly. | 2014-08-06T19:52:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/04/lying-as-pr-avfms-janet-bloomfield-libels-jessica-valenti-then-brags-about-it/comment-page-7/#comment-550865 |
I made a joke about her seeming like she was on meth when she was on the today show because she was so over the top and her voice was fried. She had a cold and I suspect the rest was fanaticism and lack of sleep. | 2014-08-06T19:49:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/04/lying-as-pr-avfms-janet-bloomfield-libels-jessica-valenti-then-brags-about-it/comment-page-7/#comment-550862 |
Thanks for the suggestions! weirwoodtreehugger, I've got a bit of a backlog, to the tune of several hundred pics. I'm assuming that submissions will slow down a little at some point and I can start to catch up! I've been posting 25 a day; I don't want to flood people with more than that. |
2014-08-06T15:15:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/a-mens-human-rights-movement-graphixx-xtravaganza-of-joy1/comment-page-3/#comment-550727 |
People try to post to this thread like every other day. I don't let through most of them because they're all some sort of variation on "well she deserved it" or "well maybe she didn't deserve all that harassment but let me tell you why I hate her." | 2014-08-06T14:04:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-30/#comment-550701 |
So does anyone have thoughts on feminist charities to donate the t-shirt profits to? | 2014-08-06T11:15:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/a-mens-human-rights-movement-graphixx-xtravaganza-of-joy1/comment-page-2/#comment-550626 |
Nah. she lives in Canada. | 2014-08-06T08:03:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/lies-damn-lies-and-janet-bloomfield-the-worlds-least-convincing-liar-is-now-trying-to-smear-me/comment-page-2/#comment-550554 |
pallygirl, I'm doing it through Zazzle, and they do each shirt individually, so there are LOTS of choices -- literally dozens -- in terms of what kind of shirt you get the logo on. | 2014-08-06T03:48:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/a-mens-human-rights-movement-graphixx-xtravaganza-of-joy1/comment-page-2/#comment-550492 |
Darlenebertholet, so sorry to hear what happened to you, and that Martin triggered you with his terrible comments. Shaenon, have I said congrats? CONGRATS! Hairy baby! Everyone else, thanks! These assholes are unbelievable sometimes. I should probably give Esmay more props for his shittiness and dishonesty and fanaticism; he's really been outdoing himself lately. |
2014-08-06T03:38:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/lies-damn-lies-and-janet-bloomfield-the-worlds-least-convincing-liar-is-now-trying-to-smear-me/comment-page-2/#comment-550485 |
Oh my lord, so many animals, so many tiny things to sit in! I think I need to get my cats some tiny boxes. RIght now all their boxes are appropriately sized. Ok, folks, question here: Confused Cats t-shirts are coming! And they will be awesome (I've seen the rough design). I'm going to donate the profits to charity. I'm thinking, since confused cats is basically half cats, half feminism, that I would donate half the profits to a cat charity, half to a feminist charity. My inclination is to donate the cat half either to the no-kill shelter I got my cats from (Felines and Canines, in chicago) or perhaps Alley Cat Allies, a group that helps feral cats. On the feminism side, I'm wondering what you all think. My thought is something fairly inclusive. |
2014-08-06T03:16:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/a-mens-human-rights-movement-graphixx-xtravaganza-of-joy1/comment-page-2/#comment-550480 |
See, we live in a Hitlerite gynocracy, and they are the only ones brave enough not to salute Hilterette. I'm assuming that's what they think the secret female ruler of the world is known as, based on the well-known "Smurfette Principle." |
2014-08-05T14:24:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/a-mens-human-rights-movement-graphixx-xtravaganza-of-joy1/comment-page-1/#comment-550125 |
Is Vox mad becasue the fascists in the film are portrayed as the bad guys? | 2014-08-05T12:38:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/lies-damn-lies-and-janet-bloomfield-the-worlds-least-convincing-liar-is-now-trying-to-smear-me/comment-page-1/#comment-550081 |
moscow nights, thanks. I have written about many of the people AVFM has smeared, or tried to smear. I hope I haven't missed many. | 2014-08-05T11:02:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/lies-damn-lies-and-janet-bloomfield-the-worlds-least-convincing-liar-is-now-trying-to-smear-me/comment-page-1/#comment-550040 |
Libel cases are hard to win in the US if you're a sort-of public figure, as I would be considered, even if you're 100% in the right. But Valenti's case against Bloomfield seems like it would be pretty airtight, what with JB actually boasting about her lies. | 2014-08-05T09:29:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/05/lies-damn-lies-and-janet-bloomfield-the-worlds-least-convincing-liar-is-now-trying-to-smear-me/comment-page-1/#comment-550005 |
revspinnaker is banned for general dishonesty and being a shit. | 2014-08-04T18:53:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/04/defenders-of-a-voice-for-men-tell-time-magazine-reporter-we-have-to-scare-you-into-listening-you-stinky-human-monkey/comment-page-4/#comment-549616 |
Well, Linda's definitely going to stick the flounce since I've put her on moderation for her tedious derailing. I suppose I should go read JB's attempt to smear me as an apologist for child prostitution by blatantly misrepresenting a book review I wrote, what, 18 years ago that did not mention child prostitution once. Elam apparently did a radio show on this as well. They're desperate. |
2014-08-04T14:21:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/04/lying-as-pr-avfms-janet-bloomfield-libels-jessica-valenti-then-brags-about-it/comment-page-3/#comment-549398 |
Well, Susan can take her word salad elsewhere. Banned. | 2014-08-03T01:11:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/15/on-reddit-a-woman-explains-to-other-women-why-men-hate-them-spoiler-alert-its-because-women-suck/comment-page-6/#comment-548380 |
Katz, you got it. | 2014-08-02T01:30:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/01/the-catster-debates-or-i-inadvertently-bring-mras-to-an-innocent-cat-website/comment-page-2/#comment-547870 |
Someone submitted this anonymously to CCAF; I thought it would make more sense to discuss it here, because CCAF is pretty much devoted to just pics, and because discussions on tumblr can become really confusing and unwieldy due to the format.
I have to say, while I definitely don't think you're any kind of misogynist or ageist hating on tweens or anything, and as a longtime fan of We Hunted the Mammoth, I'm not 100% comfortable with you, a man, telling women what their reaction to feminism should be (even clearly misguided women like this.) But there are women feminists who can take this on. As a white person, I don't call out PoC for being racist because anti-racist activists of color can do that and it's not my place as an ally.I'm not quite sure what to say about this. For one thing, 90% of the submissions I post on CCAF are coming from women; I've posted two pics of my own cats, and otherwise limit myself to brief jokey comments. For another, it seems weird to consider female antifeminists off limits for me to critique; I criticize women like Karen Straughan, Janet Bloomfield, etc etc all the time here. I mean, obviously don't want to lecture women about their lived experience, but JB calling women whores, and the women whose pics I included in the OP here who are calling feminists ugly, weak-minded sluts? Why shouldn't I point out that they're being asses? |
2014-08-02T01:29:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/01/the-catster-debates-or-i-inadvertently-bring-mras-to-an-innocent-cat-website/comment-page-1/#comment-547869 |
Hey, Katz, I found your kitties and will put them up tomorrow (well, technically, later today, at least in my time zone). Do you want me to include your email in the post, or should I have them contact you through me? | 2014-08-02T01:06:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/01/the-catster-debates-or-i-inadvertently-bring-mras-to-an-innocent-cat-website/comment-page-1/#comment-547860 |
Katz, I will happily post your cats; I must have missed them. Could your resend the pic(s) and info, either by email or on tumblr? Brooked, yeah, Tom Martin is obsessed. I've been motsly ignoring him, though I did make a couple of tweets tonight responding to his bullshit. |
2014-08-02T00:00:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/01/the-catster-debates-or-i-inadvertently-bring-mras-to-an-innocent-cat-website/comment-page-1/#comment-547817 |
Putting Doug Spoonwood on moderation for being a dick in a discussion of rape. | 2014-07-31T21:05:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/29/richard-dawkins-opens-mouth-inserts-foot-mumbles-something-about-mild-pedophilia-again/comment-page-8/#comment-546815 |
Why the hell would I scroll down the article when AVFM couldn’t be arsed to correct the very first paragraph?Also, the audio in which she apprently corrects this is 28 minutes long. In any case, I posted a note on the WAF facebook page asking if JB was the director, so presumably we'll get an answer from them shortly. She apparently billed herself as the director of WAF in order to get on the Today show; they IDed her as such. |
2014-07-31T14:40:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/31/in-which-i-get-an-email-from-women-against-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-546573 |
Thanks, everyone! Cloudiah, I already have a cover for that book: http://manboobz.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/mythhumanpower.png?w=604 |
2014-07-30T15:35:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/30/confused-cats-against-feminism-goes-viral-giant-list-of-media-mentions-and-a-possible-explanation/comment-page-1/#comment-545862 |
Shaenon, congrats! Also that young Dick Nixon is surprisingly not bad looking. |
2014-07-29T15:57:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/27/vox-day-defeats-me-in-debate-with-brilliant-youre-a-loser-who-cant-get-laid-and-also-women-shouldnt-vote-argument/comment-page-4/#comment-545111 |
He’s speaking from his perspective as a victim of child molestation here.The trouble is that he's also claiming to speak for others as well. In his initial comments, he concluded that the school master's abuse of other children didn't do THEM any "real harm" either. How does he know this? Has he even spoken to any of these people? Even if he has spoken to them, he's not a trained psychologist and is in no position to evaluate what harm there may or may not have been. Regardless of his own experience, there's considerable evidence that child sexual abuse is damaging. He's using anecdata -- and his assumptions about his classmates and other victims of "mild" pedophilia-- trump actual science. |
2014-07-29T09:17:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/29/richard-dawkins-opens-mouth-inserts-foot-mumbles-something-about-mild-pedophilia-again/comment-page-1/#comment-544891 |
Sometimes spam is wonderful. And, on topic, I guess I never wrote that 2013 roundup. But I may do a wrapup of Great Moments in MRA Public Relations that will cover some of the same ground. |
2014-07-28T20:27:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/28/2012-year-of-triumphs-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-6/#comment-544602 |
On the paint and powder thing, maybe warspite88 is just a really big Tammy Wynette fan? Seems unlikely, but she did do this song:
I've never seen the inside of a barroom Or listened to a jukebox all night long But I see these are the things that bring you pleasure So I'm gonna make some changes in our home I've heard it said, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" So if that's the way you've wanted me to be I'll change if it takes that to make you happy From now on you're gonna see a different me Because your good girl's gonna go bad I'm gonna be the swingin'est swinger you've ever had If you like 'em painted up powdered up, then you oughta be glad 'Cause your good girl's gonna go bad(That's from Your Good Girl's Gonna Go Bad, naturally.) |
2014-07-28T10:49:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/28/the-power-of-paint-and-powder-brave-mens-rights-redditor-takes-on-women-and-their-evil-deceptive-makeup/comment-page-1/#comment-544244 |
Oh, check out the amazing illustration I added to the post! | 2014-07-27T19:26:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/27/the-mystery-of-david-futrelle-fidelbogen-is-on-the-case/comment-page-1/#comment-543767 |
Look, there's no proof I had anything to do with that hamster thing. | 2014-07-27T19:17:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/27/the-mystery-of-david-futrelle-fidelbogen-is-on-the-case/comment-page-1/#comment-543753 |
Catching up here, LBT, really sorry you've had to deal with all this shit. Ally, ugh, that's really shitty. Fight that jerkbrain! You didn't deserve any of the abuse you endured and you do deserve a life without more abuse. You've got a lot of people here who care about you a lot. Bee, sorry to hear about the creeps you've been meeting; it's not your fault. There are a lot of creeps out there. And I second (third?) the advice on cutting this guy out of your life. |
2014-07-27T02:08:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/17/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-july-2014-edition/comment-page-6/#comment-543434 |
Woah, that last line has been removed. That was a note to myself reminding me that Cthulu's Intern was the person who did the plate quoting Elam's "they're not asking for rape, they're begging for it." Sorry about that! Yipes. |
2014-07-25T18:49:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/25/belated-award-ceremony-for-that-design-a-commemorative-plate-for-a-voice-for-men-contest-with-real-prize/comment-page-1/#comment-542787 |
male cats are fine! | 2014-07-25T01:05:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/24/cats-respond-to-womenagainstfeminism-with-new-blog-confused-cats-against-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-542341 |
Look at all these cats! Thanks, everyone! Once I get through all these, plus email submissions and submissions on tumblr, I think I'll have roughly 30 in the queue! I'll put up more tomorrow. But I'm going to space out when they go up, so it might take a few days for yours to go up. Glad to hear that I wasn't the only one who had trouble getting their cats to model for them. My cats are always a little squirrely about getting pics taken, but they were really suspicious when I kept setting down sheets of paper next to them with stuff written on them in smelly marker (which in the end i had to photoshop over because they weren't very readable). I took maybe 20 shots of them; my black cat (Pantz) ran away almost every time I tried to take a pic of her. Even catnip didn't lure her out. The pic I used was more or less the only usable one of her. |
2014-07-25T01:04:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/24/cats-respond-to-womenagainstfeminism-with-new-blog-confused-cats-against-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-542340 |
Whoo! The submissions are flooding in. Well, they're coming through the cat flap and waiting for dinner. | 2014-07-24T19:10:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/24/cats-respond-to-womenagainstfeminism-with-new-blog-confused-cats-against-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-542125 |
GON, if you can convince your mom to dress like a cat and hold up that sign, I think I would have to post it. | 2014-07-24T19:02:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/24/cats-respond-to-womenagainstfeminism-with-new-blog-confused-cats-against-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-542122 |
Excellent! All animal friends are welcome to submit pics. I figure that most of them don't know what kind of animal they are, so from their point of view they might be cats. | 2014-07-24T19:00:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/24/cats-respond-to-womenagainstfeminism-with-new-blog-confused-cats-against-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-542121 |
Anon Ibiza is banned for the "fucking b----" comment. | 2014-07-23T17:55:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/21/on-the-spearhead-the-regulars-reject-women-rejecting-feminism/comment-page-5/#comment-541309 |
thebewilderness, that's appalling; can you point me to specific ones? | 2014-07-22T19:56:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/21/on-the-spearhead-the-regulars-reject-women-rejecting-feminism/comment-page-4/#comment-540731 |
Huh. Fiverr has a whole category devoted to people (mostly attractive young women) who will hold up signs for $5. http://www.fiverr.com/categories/advertising/holding-a-sign/ If anyone wants to do some detective work, it would be great to know if any of the specific women on Women Against Feminism are offering this service on fiverr. I've gone through a few pages, but I haven't noticed any yet. |
2014-07-22T19:36:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/21/on-the-spearhead-the-regulars-reject-women-rejecting-feminism/comment-page-4/#comment-540716 |
Greebo, the flag is the Polish flag. (I looked it up.) | 2014-07-21T22:35:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/21/on-the-spearhead-the-regulars-reject-women-rejecting-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-540053 |
Crap. A two-dot ellipse! I meant to type a period! | 2014-07-21T21:16:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/21/on-the-spearhead-the-regulars-reject-women-rejecting-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-539978 |
I'm the opener of cans in my apartment, but that's because the females who live with me don't have opposable thumbs (because they're cats). . | 2014-07-21T21:14:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/21/on-the-spearhead-the-regulars-reject-women-rejecting-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-539977 |
Woody: "How are we to understand the thought processes of a chicken? They have no way of communicating things of this nature to us. Do we even have evidence that a chicken DID cross a road?" | 2014-07-20T20:17:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/20/are-mens-rights-activists-planning-to-raise-an-army-of-goat-men/comment-page-1/#comment-539354 |
I have addressed Mr. V's, er "allegations" in a new post. | 2014-07-15T20:09:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/14/contest-time-design-a-commemorative-plate-for-a-voice-for-men-actual-prize-will-be-awarded/comment-page-3/#comment-536245 |
So many excellent plates. I love the grinning Elam, the tribute to JB, the commemorative plate for the commemorative coin, the baby with the fedora. But I think my fave so far is the set of balls with a pacifier. | 2014-07-15T05:59:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/14/contest-time-design-a-commemorative-plate-for-a-voice-for-men-actual-prize-will-be-awarded/comment-page-2/#comment-536016 |
Some excellent work here. | 2014-07-14T21:40:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/14/contest-time-design-a-commemorative-plate-for-a-voice-for-men-actual-prize-will-be-awarded/comment-page-1/#comment-535687 |
i just want to say that in the other pictures of the coin they had on AVFM it looks a lot more like a vagina. Well, vulva. Stylized vulva. My comment about the $58.88 thing and oppression was supposed to suggest that anyone with so much extra money around that they would be willing to drop $60 on the ugliest coin ever minted -- and one that also supports AVFM -- probably wasn't oppressed. I know that's a bit of a simplification. |
2014-07-12T19:52:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/12/who-designed-a-voice-for-mens-new-commemorative-coins-judy-chicago/comment-page-3/#comment-534373 |
opium, I know, it made the debate surreal. Matt brought up and discussed issues affecting men in detail, then ten seconds later Paul, obviously reading from his prepared statement, accused him of saying men have no problems. I thought I saw Paul pause for a second before reading his notes to think to himself "wait, should I still go ahead and read this?" before going ahead and reading it. | 2014-07-11T00:57:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/10/debate-matt-binder-of-the-majority-report-vs-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-paul-elam/comment-page-2/#comment-533162 |
Oh, man, just made it through the whole thing. What a disaster for Paul. Reading his ridiculous prepared statements, getting flustered every time Binder asked him a question, having his grand rhetorical points undercut completely -- e.g., Binder's "so what" response to him reading out his list of AVFM women. The ramshackle ending was probably my favorite bit, with Dean asking for a link to "the article" about stop and frisk, and after being told that it's been a giant issue for years plaintively replying that AVFM is a volunteer organization and they can't get to every issue. The technical glitches at the end were just icing on the cake. Oh, Paul Elam (and co), you are definitely not ready for your close-up. |
2014-07-11T00:36:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/10/debate-matt-binder-of-the-majority-report-vs-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-paul-elam/comment-page-2/#comment-533154 |
I'm watching the video now. Well, I made it twelve minutes in. I gave up when Paul "responded" to Matt's argument by robotically reading a prepared statement about how many women are involved in AVFM. Paul, that's not how you debate someone. You're supposed to respond to what they actually say, not to what you imagined they might say when you were writing up your notes. I'll give it another go later. | 2014-07-10T19:22:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/10/debate-matt-binder-of-the-majority-report-vs-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-paul-elam/comment-page-2/#comment-532979 |
I'm putting bitter steel on moderation to give him time to rest his typing hands. And maybe for him to process some of the responses he's gotten so far. | 2014-07-09T20:19:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/09/dean-esmays-secret-plan-to-fight-sexism-by-calling-everyone-a-whore/comment-page-7/#comment-532182 |
I put sebhai on moderation. 2aimai is heading that direction too. There are plenty of ways to criticize MRAs without resorting to "only fat women will date you" or "he's insane." That sort of thing is not welcome here; if you want to comment here, you need to cut it out. | 2014-07-09T15:43:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/09/dean-esmays-secret-plan-to-fight-sexism-by-calling-everyone-a-whore/comment-page-6/#comment-532024 |
See my latest post for estimates of how much it would cost to hire the 4 police officers Elam says he hired for the conference. (Note: It's a lot less than $30k.) | 2014-07-08T10:58:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/06/avfms-paul-elam-posts-attack-on-the-doubletree-fort-shelby-hotel-suggests-that-the-alleged-threats-to-the-hotel-were-phony/comment-page-3/#comment-530888 |
The misters were flaunting two police report numbers. Also, reporter Steve Neavling claimed to have copies of the reports but never did write about it.My assumption is that AVFM reported threats, thus the case numbers. |
2014-07-06T14:06:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/06/avfms-paul-elam-posts-attack-on-the-doubletree-fort-shelby-hotel-suggests-that-the-alleged-threats-to-the-hotel-were-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-529573 |
I doubt it’s a coincidence that their favourite scapegoats are young people who, generally speaking, have very little money and very little political power.Not a coincidence at all. They go after women they think they can indtimidate, especially young women they think need to be "taken down a peg or two." They think like abusers. |
2014-07-06T12:14:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/06/avfms-paul-elam-posts-attack-on-the-doubletree-fort-shelby-hotel-suggests-that-the-alleged-threats-to-the-hotel-were-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-529532 |
I'm tempted to do a mod challenge for Woody: post a comment that's NOT petulant. | 2014-07-05T16:30:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/04/mods-and-mockers/comment-page-2/#comment-529063 |
fruitloopsie, I've gotten 2 emails from you; just replied to them. They were both recent. Not sure where the earlier ones might have gone. I did once have an email go missing for several years. | 2014-07-05T16:10:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/05/miosgyny-theater-4-everybody-wants-to-shag-the-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-529050 |
I added a link in the sidebar to make it easy to contact us mods. | 2014-07-05T13:26:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/04/mods-and-mockers/comment-page-2/#comment-528987 |
Feminist High Council, thank you, all hail the Godesses. Also, could you send me a new uniform? The old one ripped in an embarrassing place when I was doing the mandatory calisthenics (Program 2-A) yesterday. |
2014-07-04T11:19:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/04/defenders-of-a-voice-for-men-tell-time-magazine-reporter-we-have-to-scare-you-into-listening-you-stinky-human-monkey/comment-page-1/#comment-528335 |
farkennel, where am I "calling out ALL men in bneed of help?" I agree with Roy that the MRM is NOT actually offering help to men who need it, but encouraging them to blame women and stew in bitterness. | 2014-07-04T10:02:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/04/defenders-of-a-voice-for-men-tell-time-magazine-reporter-we-have-to-scare-you-into-listening-you-stinky-human-monkey/comment-page-1/#comment-528288 |
Ally, sorry to hear your exam was triggering. Can you ask to be examined by a woman next time, or just generally let someone there know that the way they treated you was triggering? Obviously you shouldn't have to go through that, and I would hope your doctor would be sensitive to this issue. Virtual hugs if you want them. Sorry things are so stressful for you right now, but the hormones are a bit of good news. |
2014-07-04T08:21:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-june-2014-edition/comment-page-6/#comment-528243 |
Nick Reading left a pile of bullshit in a comment that I just let through.
Let me address a little of it:
So, if someone calling themselves a feminist (someone no one had ever heard of and was using a pseudonym and not even showing their face) wrote a psychotic manifesto and sent it in to AVFM, would it be fair to take that and paint the entire feminist movement with it?How is quoting something I got sent, and noting that it could be a troll, the same as "painting an entire movement with it?" Where did I say that this guy represents all MRAs or even most of them? I simply suggested that this sort of extreme rhetoric does in fact exist amongst (real, identifiable) MRAs, which makes me think it's probably real. See, when we go after people, it’s actual notable leaders and actual violent protesters and we TELL THE TRUTH.Do you actually believe this? Your own group chased women down the street and filmed them so you could figure out their names. Register-her went after women who did nothing more than attend a protest. They weren't violent. The woman you call "big red," who's been harassed continually, wasn't violent. She yelled at a couple of dudes for a couple minutes. Elam targeted a woman for allegedly discriminating against white men in college admissions; he got the wrong woman, and was very slow to acknowlege his obvious mistake, even when other MRAs were pointing it out to him. He tried to have one commenter here fired from her job because she said something about him he didn't like, When you guys go after leaders and recognizable activists you always, always distort what really happened. The only time you don’t have to twist the facts to make someone look stupid or malicious it’s always some random commenter or some anonymous wackjob.[citation needed] For example, the guy from Men’s Rights Melbourne was not “one of Australia’s most visible activists”. I never saw his face, did you? Have you been to his website lately? Check it out, it’s gone.He was one of the most visible in that there were only a tiny handful of MR sites in Australia, his being one of them. Another example; when we caught those two women tearing down our posters (which were NOT pictures of Lise Gotelle and WERE posted on authorized poster kiosks, both of which you lied about) I did not “stalk” or “harass” ANYONE. I asked them why they were tearing down our posters and after not getting a response besides the middle finger, we left them.Well, I apologize for getting two details wrong. Well, except thatI made clear I didn't know for sure whether the posters had been posted illegally, just that I assumed they probably were. Given that your group and AVFM both referred to these women as "fascists" I'm not sure you really have much of a leg to stand on when talking about accuracy. Also,you didn't just leave these women when they didn't answer you. You filmed them so you could identify them. This is what was posted in your video description: MR-E would like to know the names of these two women so that charges of destruction of property can be laid against them. Also, the world should know the identities of those who seek to silence and censor messages advocating for human rights. FTSU!!!So, in short, you're full of shit, and fuck you. |
2014-07-03T21:44:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/03/e-mail-manifesto-writer-proclaims-the-mens-reights-sic-revolution-is-at-hand/comment-page-2/#comment-527752 |
ramendik, the people here have patiently responded to your comments, but at this point I think I speak for everyone but you here in saying that this patience has run out. So I'm putting you on moderation. You can talk about other things, in other threads, but this topic and this thread is now off limits to you,
Also, you really need to realize how pernicious formulations like this are:
I want a mechanism in place so that men experiencing continuing emotional abuse can identify it and, if necessary, initiate proceedings, but NOT resort to physical violence.This makes it sould like without a "mechanism in place" that the only "solution" for those who are emotionally abused is to physically attack the emotional abuser. That's never a solution, whether or not there's a mechanism in place. You can't solve emotional abuse with physical abuse. Maybe that's not what you meant -- you said as much later -- but you used variations on this formulation several times. Like here: Emotional abuse can contribute to a physical response but does *not* absolve one from responsibility.Here's the thing: you're talking about abuse to an audience that includes abuse survivors and others who have seen firsthand the toll abuse can have on a person. So it's not a simple intellectual exercise. In short, follow the suggestions others have given and read up on this in more detail. Not just the laws, but writings about abuse in general. |
2014-07-03T21:16:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/28/antifeminist-dv-guru-erin-pizzey-if-you-are-not-in-fear-of-your-life-you-are-not-suffering-from-domestic-violence/comment-page-4/#comment-527720 |
Pally, best of luck with the treatment! | 2014-07-03T04:26:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-june-2014-edition/comment-page-6/#comment-526912 |
D'oh! It looks like this Craigslist ad is a fake. A very similar "gentleman" posted a very similar Craigslist Personal a little less than a year ago, as a Huffington Post story at the time reported. That gentleman claimed to be living in California, not Canada. So unless the fellow who wrote this ad just moved to Edmonton, it looks like a big ol FAKE. So I just updated the post. But the ad is still pretty funny. |
2014-07-02T10:47:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/02/the-one-gentleman-of-alberta-a-craigslist-personals-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-526509 |
I am relieved to hear the verdict of the High Council. Has the cat thing started yet? I can't tell. |
2014-07-02T08:32:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/30/the-vaginal-tingles-of-feral-women-a-selection-of-the-worst-comments-on-my-youtube-videos-so-far/comment-page-3/#comment-526426 |
On that old article of mine, obviously theanitifeminist is misrepresenting it, like everything else of mine he's dug up. That said, there are real issues with that particular piece, specifically the sometimes glib language and the the fact that I went along with some of the victim-blaming logic of the book I was reviewing. Obviously I wouldn't write that article today. It was 18 years ago, and my beliefs have very definitely changed. I didn't realize back then the extent and the absolute perniciousness of victim-blaming narratives. The two points I was trying to make in that piece that I still think are worth making: 1) It's important to be aware of the tendency of abusers to present themselves as victims. 2) Demanding that all victims be perfect human beings in every way in order to be considered true innocent victims -- particularly if this means that they have to fit some arbitrary "moral code" -- is itself a form of victim blaming. As we can see every time a rape survivor is attacked as a "slut." |
2014-07-02T03:14:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/30/the-vaginal-tingles-of-feral-women-a-selection-of-the-worst-comments-on-my-youtube-videos-so-far/comment-page-3/#comment-526335 |
hey, cloudiah, check your email | 2014-07-01T22:34:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/29/with-a-voice-for-mens-conference-over-paul-elam-has-found-a-new-woman-to-hate/comment-page-3/#comment-526209 |
Welcome aboard, kittehserf MOD and emilygoddess MOD! And thanks! I'm waiting to hear back from one more person and then I will make the official announcement of the New Mod Way. I wonder if I should appoint some Rockers to balance out the Mods? Of course, Ringo Starr once responded, when asked if he was a Mod or a Rocker, that he was a Mocker. And we're already all mockers here (minus the trolls). |
2014-07-01T21:40:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/29/with-a-voice-for-mens-conference-over-paul-elam-has-found-a-new-woman-to-hate/comment-page-3/#comment-526161 |
Ally, and sitting right next to cameraman is, I believe, our old friend M. Buchanan. | 2014-07-01T10:13:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/01/one-last-damn-avfm-conference-update-man-with-a-camera-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-525846 |
Pretty much. | 2014-07-01T09:58:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/01/one-last-damn-avfm-conference-update-man-with-a-camera-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-525836 |
Sometimes spam is too good to keep to myself. | 2014-07-01T09:57:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/video-allegedly-from-mass-killer-in-santa-barbara-if-i-cant-have-you-girls-ill-destroy-you-trigger-warning/comment-page-7/#comment-525834 |
Justin, you're banned b/c you came here in bad faith and posted horrible shit, and now you're dull as crap. Then you posted a comment trying to bring up several more off-topic topics that we've already discussed to death there. No one is obligated to discuss whatever it is you've decided we shoudl be discussiing. Also you complained about being moderated, when you were lucky I hadn't already banned you, so now you are banned. | 2014-07-01T01:39:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/28/the-chuckles-turned-to-guffaws-avfm-conference-saturday-wrapup/comment-page-4/#comment-525604 |
I was letting his shit through because he was behaving but, yeah, I think it's time for him to go. | 2014-07-01T01:35:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/28/the-chuckles-turned-to-guffaws-avfm-conference-saturday-wrapup/comment-page-4/#comment-525601 |
Chucky is Charles Clymer, who's gotten a lot of criticism from some feminists for being a narcissistic self-promoter who portrays himself as the ultimate male feminist ally but has a habit of lashing out at women who challenge him in abusive ways. For more details: http://all4humanity.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/charles-clymer-my-observations/ http://bellejar.ca/2013/05/19/men-and-feminism/ https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopClymer?src=hash |
2014-06-30T22:06:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/30/the-vaginal-tingles-of-feral-women-a-selection-of-the-worst-comments-on-my-youtube-videos-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-525445 |
I believe Spanish and Russian have the same alphabet. (That's a joke. Reference to a legendary early troll.) Turkish is pretty weird though, at least to an English speaker like me. |
2014-06-30T04:47:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/28/the-chuckles-turned-to-guffaws-avfm-conference-saturday-wrapup/comment-page-4/#comment-524947 |
... and it's back to normal. Weird | 2014-06-30T03:56:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/28/the-chuckles-turned-to-guffaws-avfm-conference-saturday-wrapup/comment-page-4/#comment-524924 |
ok, why is my wordpress dashboard now displaying everything in turkish? not comments or posts but all the settings, etc. | 2014-06-30T03:54:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/28/the-chuckles-turned-to-guffaws-avfm-conference-saturday-wrapup/comment-page-3/#comment-524920 |
Justin, you're jumping to all sorts of conclusions. You were put on moderation because some of the commenters here were troubled by the victimn-blaming stuff in your first comment. I didn't put you on moderation until I was contacted by commenters. Before I put you on moderation, the spam filter (which I have no control over) grabbed that one long comment you tried to post multiple times. I'm not sure why the spam filter grabbed it; glancing at it it doesn;t look like it had too many links, which is often why the spam filter grabs things. I let though your later comments becuse they didn't contain anything inflammatory. People may not have answered because, I dunno, maybe they were sick of dealing with you, in part b/c it's clear that you aren't arguing in good faith? (Something you've now affirmed with your latest comment.)Or because it's now the middle of the night for most readers of this blog? Because your points aren't that interesting? I don't know. But if you think you've carried out some sort of scientific "experiment" with us, uh, you really haven't. All you've proved is that you can piss people off by making inflammatory statements. That's really not a great insight. |
2014-06-30T01:51:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/28/the-chuckles-turned-to-guffaws-avfm-conference-saturday-wrapup/comment-page-3/#comment-524857 |
pecunium, they had events on thursday afternoon as well, so that might have cut a little into their profit margins. | 2014-06-29T00:24:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/28/the-chuckles-turned-to-guffaws-avfm-conference-saturday-wrapup/comment-page-1/#comment-523996 |
I've got a new post up on the conference today. marinerachel, glad that you enjoyed the care package, and the photo shoot, sorry you can't post the pics. These people truly are awful. |
2014-06-28T23:19:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/27/avfm-conference-open-thread-one-journalist-says-he-was-molested-another-was-called-whore-by-avfm-pr-rep/comment-page-4/#comment-523982 |
From their press conference link:
You may notice the press was polite and asked relevant questions. It’s hard not to think some of them were dumbstruck as they realized there was almost nothing any sane person could argue with there.Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. |
2014-06-28T01:21:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/27/avfm-conference-open-thread-one-journalist-says-he-was-molested-another-was-called-whore-by-avfm-pr-rep/comment-page-3/#comment-523543 |
Pic of alleged creeper deleted. | 2014-06-27T17:32:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/25/dont-protest-the-avfm-conference-in-st-clair-shores-say-the-organizers-of-original-june-7th-action/comment-page-3/#comment-523188 |
JB, not JN. Also, I don't want the name and/or pic of the alleged creeper up here. Will delete the comment. |
2014-06-27T17:31:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/27/avfm-conference-open-thread-one-journalist-says-he-was-molested-another-was-called-whore-by-avfm-pr-rep/comment-page-1/#comment-523183 |
ZombieBear, They didn't hire JN; she's an AVFM fan/contributor who they've declared the official PR person for the conference. I can't imagine she would last a minute as a real PR professional. |
2014-06-27T17:30:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/27/avfm-conference-open-thread-one-journalist-says-he-was-molested-another-was-called-whore-by-avfm-pr-rep/comment-page-1/#comment-523181 |
Also, Judgy B says he was expelled from the conference due to "accusations of 'molestation.'" Anyway, I've got a new thread up for discussions of the conference. |
2014-06-27T17:13:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/25/dont-protest-the-avfm-conference-in-st-clair-shores-say-the-organizers-of-original-june-7th-action/comment-page-3/#comment-523161 |
If vagina=vergina, what does penis equal?I think it would have to be "pernis." In any case, that's how I'll be referring to pernises from now on. |
2014-06-27T15:21:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/27/misogyny-theater-sandman-in-the-friendzone-bullpen/comment-page-1/#comment-523041 |
That’s what I found actually scary when listening to the audio of Esmay’s phone convo with SworeByThePrecious – how quickly he escalated his aggression, seemingly disproportionate to any stimulus that might’ve provoked it.It's like a switch is flipped. I've noticed this in his interactions with me as well. Things I didn't include in this post: 1) his constant, hyperbolic, false, libelous accustions against critics, based on absolutely no evidence. 2) his tendency to call any criticism or him or AVFM "abuse" or a "false threat narrative" -- that is, if you accuse AVFM of posting or doing threatening things, this in his mind is a false accusation that puts AVFM a risk, so by criticizing AVFM's violent rhetoric and skeezy actions you are thereby threatening them. It's all very much a standard abuser "reverse the blame" strategy. Obviously I have no idea how he behaves in real life and I'm NOT accusing him of being a real life abuser but online he acts a lot like abusers do. And I don't think he used to be like this, at least not to this extent. |
2014-06-26T22:30:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/26/hatemongering-bigots-are-all-alike-misandrist-the-dean-esmay-story/comment-page-1/#comment-522524 |
piratejennie, I'm so sorry you were triggered. I've banned the guy, delted his comment; I can also delete any quotes of his original comment from subsequent comments. I will be contacting people who volunteered to be mods. . |
2014-06-26T21:17:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/03/putting-warren-farrells-notorious-comments-on-exciting-date-rape-in-context/comment-page-15/#comment-522495 |
"On earticlea" is the way really cool people say "one article" these days, BTW. | 2014-06-26T13:12:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/26/if-you-missed-me-on-al-jazeera-america-theyre-rerunning-the-show-today-at-1230-pm-et/comment-page-1/#comment-522189 |
I was honestly dumbfounded by O'Hara bringing up vasalgel as a great Men's Rights/AVFM triumph. I looked on AVFM, and O'HAra has written a handful of posts about it, none of which have gotten more than a few comments. (On earticlea by soemone else got 61 comments.) . This is apparently what he was referring to when he said they'd raised thousands of dollars: http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/generous-donor-vows-to-match-donations-up-to-37000-for-vasalgel-baboon-study/ So some people who were not AVFMers raised some money. AVFM scores a victory! |
2014-06-26T13:10:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/26/if-you-missed-me-on-al-jazeera-america-theyre-rerunning-the-show-today-at-1230-pm-et/comment-page-1/#comment-522187 |
Oh, look, speaking of twitter, here's THE GREATEST HUMAN RIGHTS LEADER OF THE MILLENNIUM offering his take on my appearance on Al Jazeera: https://twitter.com/AVoiceForMen/status/482050181886525440 |
2014-06-26T01:49:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/25/dont-protest-the-avfm-conference-in-st-clair-shores-say-the-organizers-of-original-june-7th-action/comment-page-2/#comment-521702 |
Vice is going to film the conference. That's a separate thing. But looking at the article -- hey; it's caricatuers of Paul and Dean! -- I was struck by one of the pictures of the rally in it. Well, I was struck by the fact that Dean was wearing long pants in it. In other pictures of the rally, he's in shorts. See here: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/28/speaker-at-mens-rights-rally-of-the-century-in-toronto-calls-on-mras-to-take-up-arms-against-communists/ Now, I knew that Dean had made a switch from long to short pants at some point during the day. But now we have evidence that it happened DURING the actual rally, er "rally" itself. HOW DID HE DO THAT? They were in a park. WHERE DID HE CHANGE? Also, here is Judgy B's OFFICIAL reaction to the news of the protester boycott: https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/481906432716320769 She retweeted this one too: https://twitter.com/LostSailorNY/status/481916321891102720 So yeah, she's trying to, I guess, tease protesters into showing up? Clearly a master of PR at work. |
2014-06-26T01:43:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/25/dont-protest-the-avfm-conference-in-st-clair-shores-say-the-organizers-of-original-june-7th-action/comment-page-2/#comment-521695 |
Everyone go look at Cloudiah's link! This looks really sleazy. | 2014-06-24T23:37:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/24/could-the-canadian-association-for-equality-lose-its-charity-status-because-of-dubious-claims-in-its-application/comment-page-1/#comment-520797 |
Emily , he also relies a lot on repetition, of his basic arguments and of certain words and phrases. Obviously so do a lot of public speakers but it's pretty striking with him. | 2014-06-24T14:12:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/24/video-misogyny-theater-stefan-molyneux-explains-why-women-are-the-root-of-all-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-520354 |
I love the titles they give themselves at AVFM. hell, even calling themselves "editors" is laughable, considering the often unreadable and error-filled dreck they publish. | 2014-06-24T12:47:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/24/tv-appearance-ill-be-on-al-jazeera-america-today-at-1230-et-debating-robert-ohara-of-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-520318 |
Thanks, everyone minus Woody! Boogerghost, thanks, I'll put up a link once they've got this one up. |
2014-06-24T11:51:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/24/tv-appearance-ill-be-on-al-jazeera-america-today-at-1230-et-debating-robert-ohara-of-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-520294 |
Emily, actually that video was put up by someone else. Various people have mirrored it. The video isn't on his channel any more, just that second one which includes clips from the original. | 2014-06-23T14:44:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/23/misogyny-theater-presents-john-hembling-in-i-dont-give-a-about-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-519632 |
Lycere Cunningham is banned for obvious reasons. I deleted his comment as well. | 2014-06-23T13:41:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/22/creepy-comment-of-the-day-if-men-cant-get-the-steady-love-and-wild-sex-of-a-valuable-young-girl-naturally-theyll-start-shooting-people/comment-page-4/#comment-519613 |
Liveandletlive, ugh, that guy just blatantly makes shit up. The movie in question is considered a classic. It's not porn or torture porn. It's on Netflix. I wrote about a censorship controversy involving it. I didn't offer an assessment of the film itself. And all the other shit about me in there is made up as well, based on misreadings and misrepresentations of other things I wrote 20 years ago. I've mostly been ignoring him. He's basically a political pedophile -- sorry, ephebophile -- whose main issue seems to be how allegedly unfair age of consent laws are. |
2014-06-23T00:28:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/22/creepy-comment-of-the-day-if-men-cant-get-the-steady-love-and-wild-sex-of-a-valuable-young-girl-naturally-theyll-start-shooting-people/comment-page-2/#comment-519242 |
I've opened a new thread. Any continued discussion of the issue of calling the police when a friend is suicidal needs to go there. | 2014-06-22T20:23:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/21/open-thread-manfeels-park-dance-party-edition-no-trolls-no-mras/comment-page-2/#comment-518873 |
I don't think we should be second-guessing Leum, who knows the situation better than we do. And I don't think we should be having this discussion in this thread. If you want me to open up another thread to continue this discussion I can do that but continued debate on this in this thread is inappropriate. |
2014-06-22T20:03:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/21/open-thread-manfeels-park-dance-party-edition-no-trolls-no-mras/comment-page-2/#comment-518853 |
As to the twitter comment you linked to, seems to me he is more defending them than condemning them.This is why that whole twitter discussion was so surreal. I started the whole thing off by saying that a some of the things said in the "agent orange" files were indeed terrible. Somehow this didn't count as a criticism of them. Which meant I was "supporting them, at least through my silence." Which wasn't actually silence, but never mind. And now I'm said to be defending them because, after criticizing them, I said they shouldn't be doxxed and harassed. Guess what dudes, I don't think MRAs should be doxxed and harassed either! I don't think anyone should be harassed! Fact is, it doesn't matter what I do or say; MRAs will find some way to interpret my words and my behavior as eeeeeeevil. Even if they have to resort to bizarre non-logic like arguing that I support evil "through my silence." Which isn't silence. I've said over and over again: I'm not a radfem. I disasgree violently with a lot of radical feminism. I mean, I made clear to the AVFM folks I have no connection to radfemhub but Elam et al are still posting shit saying I'm "tied to genocidal ideologies." How exactly? |
2014-06-22T03:32:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/19/why-is-a-voice-for-men-giving-a-platform-to-one-of-canadas-leading-opponents-of-gay-and-lesbian-rights/comment-page-7/#comment-518469 |
Here's an interesting, er, critique of my post from JB: https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/480512762393944064 |
2014-06-21T21:22:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/21/spinning-out-of-control-janet-bloomfield-takes-a-voice-for-mens-reality-distortion-field-on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-518192 |
Woah, how did this topic get to 721 comments? Also, I don't understand the number ninja thing. I know it's not new, but I didn't understand it before either. |
2014-06-21T02:46:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/20/voices-of-hatred-a-look-at-the-noxious-views-of-six-of-the-speakers-at-a-voice-for-mens-upcoming-conference/comment-page-11/#comment-517704 |
I haven’t confirmed that the quotes in this article are accurate or when they were made or any of the context in which they were said.The links are there. Click them. I'm pretty sure that offical transcripts of speeces given int he Canadian senate are considered reliable sources. |
2014-06-20T16:28:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/19/why-is-a-voice-for-men-giving-a-platform-to-one-of-canadas-leading-opponents-of-gay-and-lesbian-rights/comment-page-5/#comment-516863 |
NOTE TO WOODYRED, who keeps kvetching about being banned. Here's the deal. We get lots of abusive trolls here, who start out being obnoxious, then move on to slurs, then move on to really nasty and sometimes triggering personal attacks. I'm trying my best to avoid that last part from happening. So if I put someone on moderation, I'm basically testing them to see if they can behave appropriately. Part of that test involves them posting things that aren't abusive. Another part of that test: whether they react to the moderation in a constructive way, by toning down their remarks and showing they can respect the rules of the blog. Someone who petulantly demands to be taken off moderation, and then lashes out at me, is showing me that they cannot respect the rules of the blog, and suggesting to me that if I took them off moderation they could get abusive in a heartbeat. So that's why I banned you. It's not because you called me fat. It's because you acted like an asshole before I put you on moderation, and kept acting like an asshole afterwards. You showed me you're angry, entitled, and unable to control yourself. Not a good combo. |
2014-06-20T15:08:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/20/voices-of-hatred-a-look-at-the-noxious-views-of-six-of-the-speakers-at-a-voice-for-mens-upcoming-conference/comment-page-3/#comment-516760 |
you dont want to take me off of moderation, manboobz ? – you fat sh*t – fine. have fun with the inferior woody.Ha. I hadn't seen this one before the last comment. I think petulence about getting put on moderation is a pretty reliable sign that someone needs to remain on moderation forever. Woodyred is being promoted to a ban. |
2014-06-20T13:47:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/20/voices-of-hatred-a-look-at-the-noxious-views-of-six-of-the-speakers-at-a-voice-for-mens-upcoming-conference/comment-page-2/#comment-516678 |
Woodyred, I'm not taking you off moderation. I'll approve any comments that aren't abusive, When and if I'm convinced you're not going to turn abusive again if I take you off moderation, I'll take you off. The more you demand to be taken off moderation, the less likely I will do so. | 2014-06-20T13:43:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/20/voices-of-hatred-a-look-at-the-noxious-views-of-six-of-the-speakers-at-a-voice-for-mens-upcoming-conference/comment-page-2/#comment-516674 |
And woodyred is going on moderation. | 2014-06-20T12:31:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/20/voices-of-hatred-a-look-at-the-noxious-views-of-six-of-the-speakers-at-a-voice-for-mens-upcoming-conference/comment-page-2/#comment-516605 |
Woodyred, You don't have to take my word for it. I quoted blatantly homophobic things she's said. And I've given links to the sources, which include the official transcripts of speeches she's given in the Canadian Senate. She also includes some of these transcripts on her own website, as well as links to articles that describe her as a staunch opponent of same-sex marriage. What clearer evidence do you need? Does she need to punch a gay man in the face while screaming homophobic slurs in front of you? |
2014-06-20T08:36:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/19/why-is-a-voice-for-men-giving-a-platform-to-one-of-canadas-leading-opponents-of-gay-and-lesbian-rights/comment-page-4/#comment-516400 |
Woodyred, she's opposed pension benefits for same-sex couples, and common-law recognition of same-sex couples. And the issue isn't just that she has religious objections; it's that she's made this her own personal crusade, and that in pursuing this agenda she's spewed all sorts of homophobic nonsense. You did read the quotes from her in the OP, did you not? She is allowed to have whatever views she wants on this. The question is why a supposed "human rights" group that claims to be for gay rights (at least for gay men) would give a crusader against gay rights a platform at their first big conference. It's almost as if this "human rights" group is not actually a human rights group at all, and doesn't actually give a shit about gay men. (We already know they don't give a shit about lesbians.) |
2014-06-20T07:29:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/19/why-is-a-voice-for-men-giving-a-platform-to-one-of-canadas-leading-opponents-of-gay-and-lesbian-rights/comment-page-3/#comment-516366 |
Continued from here: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-very-belated-may-2014-edition/ There are several active discussions going on there; please take a look at them before posting here. |
2014-06-19T05:32:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-june-2014-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-515557 |
Well,I went ahead and opened a new thread, with a link back here. http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-june-2014-edition/ |
2014-06-19T05:29:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-very-belated-may-2014-edition/comment-page-10/#comment-515556 |
Does anyone want me to open up a new thread? We're overdue for one, but I'm a little hesitant to open it up in the middle of active conversations like these, though I will link people back to this thread. |
2014-06-19T05:10:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-very-belated-may-2014-edition/comment-page-10/#comment-515548 |
pallygirl, congratulations! | 2014-06-19T05:08:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-very-belated-may-2014-edition/comment-page-10/#comment-515546 |
Ally, I wish I had some good advice, but I'll just repeat what everyone else is saying: Don't listen to your jerkbrain. You're awesome. And like Dvärghundspossen said, argue back against your jerkbrain when you find yourself falling into destructive patterns of thought. That's basically what Cognative Behavioral Therapy is, arguing back against your jerkbrain, and I know people who've benefitted from it. I know that when I was really depressed, my thinking was very clearly distorted by the depression. Which I could only partially see at the time. It's really good that you know when your jerkbrain is talking, because it means you can fight against that kind of thinking. Ally, your letter is great. It's very clear how much you care about your sisters, and I think they know that already, and that it will be a source of strength for them. . Marinerachel, goddamn that's frustrating, and completely unprofessional of them. Can you contact your psychiatrist to speed up the process of him referring you? |
2014-06-19T05:07:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-very-belated-may-2014-edition/comment-page-10/#comment-515545 |
WhyDoesHeDrinkTheKoolAid, No, the thread is still up. I'm not sure why the link wasn't working, maybe donotlink doesn't work with forums? In any case, I fixed the link and it should work fine now. |
2014-06-19T03:56:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/18/woah-whats-this-is-a-voice-for-men-engaging-in-honest-self-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-515520 |
first we fight them, then we laugh at them, then we ignore them, then they lose.Ooh, I like this. I may start using it when MRAs quote that quote they like to quote On the twitter feed, they basically flooded my mentions with hundreds of tweets/retweets today. See, I taped a segment on Al Jazeera where I faced off against Robert O'Hara. Shortly before the taping, Paul tweeted some mysterious, ominous-sounding tweets, and then they posted their attack on me. A pretty transparent attempt to rattle me. I was not rattled, so they spent the rest of the day attacking me in their bizarre way. |
2014-06-19T01:58:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/17/elliot-rodger-and-me-the-anatomy-of-a-honey-badger-smear-campaign/comment-page-4/#comment-515456 |
Cloudiah, your comment on the drug war, applause! | 2014-06-18T16:14:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/17/elliot-rodger-and-me-the-anatomy-of-a-honey-badger-smear-campaign/comment-page-3/#comment-515177 |
Hello fellow selves!
Mr. the Otter is as bald as a man can get. Well, as anyone of any gender, really.
for some reason their fantasy Manboobz narratives almost always has David and his blog racing to their doom because he’s losing or lost the favor, largesse and attention of his feminist overlords. It’s a blog for fuck sake. It’s not like it’s in danger of going bankrupt due to the volatile misogyny mocking blog market.Esmay usually ends up posting some version of this every time I tangle with him on twitter. I think he gets it from Paul, who loves to opine that people he disagrees with have suddenly become irrelevant by disagreeing with him (the SPLC, Cathy Young, me, the list goes on). As for why they're going after me now, as in today, well Judgy's post went up shortly before I was scheduled to tape something on Al Jazeera arguing w/ AVFM's Robert O'Hara, a not-terribly impressive debater. I think Paul thought it would rattle me. Why they're going after me now more broadly? I think they do blame me for the, er, bad press the MRM has been getting. Or for what's going on in Detroit. Or for swole digging around in his finances. I guess. I don't know. Paul's old line on me was that I was too unimportant to write about. Weird that now, as my blog is racing to its doom allegedly, I'm suddenly important enough for what Paul is now promising will be a whole series of articles. |
2014-06-18T16:11:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/17/elliot-rodger-and-me-the-anatomy-of-a-honey-badger-smear-campaign/comment-page-3/#comment-515173 |
magnesium, excellent! there are a couple in there that are perfect. fruitloopsie, what address are you sending the emails to? I'm not gettng them, futrelle at manboobz dot com should work. |
2014-06-17T23:29:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/16/coming-attractions-we-hunted-the-mammoth-announces-new-animated-video-series/comment-page-2/#comment-514803 |
Thanks, banshee, and everyone else for the kind thoughts.
Am I the only one who wants Ideagog to become a rank amongst use Mammothers?Ideogog and Magog! |
2014-06-17T21:32:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/17/elliot-rodger-and-me-the-anatomy-of-a-honey-badger-smear-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-514714 |
WWTH, tell me the truth... are we still in the game? | 2014-06-17T20:40:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/17/elliot-rodger-and-me-the-anatomy-of-a-honey-badger-smear-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-514667 |
I forgot about Typhon's battle with Feminazi Light and Power Co! Did that ever get resolved? I guess so, since she apparently has electricity now. Auntie Alias, I can't remember where it was that I saw the AVFMers declaring that you were me, but it's bizarre. Apparently MRAs think that I write this blog, and all the comments on it, and then in my spare time I argue with them on other sites using sockpuppets. I wish I could type that fast. |
2014-06-17T20:38:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/17/elliot-rodger-and-me-the-anatomy-of-a-honey-badger-smear-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-514665 |
marinerachel, FWIW, our newly banned friend tried to post another comment, and said that he had dated someone named rachel in high school. | 2014-06-17T13:24:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/15/endfathersday-trolls-being-trolls-or-black-propaganda-designed-to-tear-apart-feminism/comment-page-4/#comment-514371 |
Our angry new friend is banned. Thanks for the heads up, everyone who sent notes! I'll be adding the new mods later today. |
2014-06-17T13:09:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/15/endfathersday-trolls-being-trolls-or-black-propaganda-designed-to-tear-apart-feminism/comment-page-4/#comment-514358 |
Oh look, she’s trying to neg us. How charming!Ha! She doesn't realize that I'm also going to start making four hour videos of me sitting in my kitchen in a tanktop babbling pseudoscientific nonsense. |
2014-06-17T10:19:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/16/coming-attractions-we-hunted-the-mammoth-announces-new-animated-video-series/comment-page-1/#comment-514173 |
Just a clarification: I will probably use the animal pics mostly for introductions, so you don't have to worry about your little friend being turned into an MRA. I'll be using MRA faces/caricatures for MRAs. Cloudiah, I will take you up on that offer! Also, if you have other asshat sites that deserve to be in the list, feel free to add links to them. The sidebar is really out of date. |
2014-06-17T10:16:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/16/coming-attractions-we-hunted-the-mammoth-announces-new-animated-video-series/comment-page-1/#comment-514171 |
GWW, my sidebars are woefully out of date. I will add you when I update them, which will probably be soonish. | 2014-06-17T09:07:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/16/coming-attractions-we-hunted-the-mammoth-announces-new-animated-video-series/comment-page-1/#comment-514130 |
Some excellent animal submissions! Kim, your furry overlords are adorable, and there were some usable pics in there; I liked the two-headed one. I can't think of any silly props that would be good but silly pics are great. Magnesium, your pug is awesome! None of the pics quite work though, i need the face facing forward and some room around the head so I can move the head once I animate it. If you've got some shots like that send them in! Puddleglum, grouchy cat in a sombrero, perfect! Thanks to everyone who's sent pics, offered to do voices, sent video links! I just gotta start pulling together some videos! |
2014-06-17T09:06:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/16/coming-attractions-we-hunted-the-mammoth-announces-new-animated-video-series/comment-page-1/#comment-514129 |
Ok, I will definitely do more troll challenges! I'm also going to bring a few mods on board. I'll do another post once I've got everyone on board, and explain the new system. If you want to volunteer as a mod, it's not too late to throw your hat in the ring. Due to the weirdness of the way WP handles modding I'm going to limit the number of mods to the bare minimum necessary, and will only go with people who've been here a while. I'll be contacting all the volunteers I haven't already contacted shortly. |
2014-06-17T07:03:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/do-i-need-to-crack-down-harder-on-trolls-a-no-troll-no-mra-discussion-thread/comment-page-5/#comment-514077 |
Thanks, everyone, for the kind words and the animal pics! Pugs! Bunnies! Other dogs I don't know what breed they are! Pugs are actually perfect for this because of their big eyes and smushy faces. But other animals are fine. Bunnies might be harder b/c their eyes are on the sides of their heads. A couple notes on pics: In order for me to be able to use them, the animal has to be looking directly at the camera, preferably with mouth closed, and we have to be able to see the whole head, including ears. It's best if the orientation of the pic is horizontal, too, though that's not a big issue if the image size/quality is good enough so that I can cut a youtube shaped section out of it. Fruitloopsie, I don't think I got any emails from you. Could you resend them? |
2014-06-16T19:23:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/16/coming-attractions-we-hunted-the-mammoth-announces-new-animated-video-series/comment-page-1/#comment-513791 |
Renee, but the media outlets that bought the story, at least the only ones i saw that did, were all right-wing. I mean, National Review, Fox? They're not centrist or liberal or lefty. All the feminist and liberal sites I looked at pointed out the hoax. | 2014-06-16T10:23:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/15/endfathersday-trolls-being-trolls-or-black-propaganda-designed-to-tear-apart-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-513456 |
So I just realized that I read your posts in my voice,Hmm. What if I start doing them in really bad fake accents? Or as Jimmy Stewart? Or, I dunno, my repertoire of celebrity impersonations is pretty poor. I can sort of do Edgar from Men in Black. |
2014-06-16T10:11:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/16/coming-attractions-we-hunted-the-mammoth-announces-new-animated-video-series/comment-page-1/#comment-513450 |
Ooh, English accent! | 2014-06-16T10:08:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/16/coming-attractions-we-hunted-the-mammoth-announces-new-animated-video-series/comment-page-1/#comment-513448 |
Yeah, I should probably get out of the habit of arguing with them. They all get on the twitter at about 8 AM my time and all start yelling at once, and they keep including me in the replies long after I get bored and wander off. | 2014-06-16T08:25:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/14/fundraiser-to-send-sworebytheprecious-to-detroit-to-report-on-you-know-what/comment-page-2/#comment-513417 |
There is a difference between pointing out to someone that they have a weight issue and “calling” them fat.No, they're pretty much the same thing, except that the former is more passive-aggressive. I mean, why would you tell someone that? They know what they weigh. If you're worried abou their health, well, diets don't work in the long term. And being fat is much much less of a health issue than most people think. It's a bit like walking up to someone with a mole on their cheek and saying, "hey you've git a mole on your cheek!" It serves no purpose except to make that person feel more self-conscious. And studies have shown that making people self-conscious about their weight is more likely to lead to weight gain than weight loss. |
2014-06-16T06:28:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/stealing-me-for-daddys-money-hurts-me-too-and-other-nuggets-of-wisdom-from-some-dudes-mra-memes/comment-page-5/#comment-513374 |
then Judgy rescinded her offerOf course. And they'll probably give the excuse that threats were made. After years and years downplaying every threat a feminist ever got, they're sure making hay of threats now. . |
2014-06-16T04:43:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/14/fundraiser-to-send-sworebytheprecious-to-detroit-to-report-on-you-know-what/comment-page-1/#comment-513339 |
Anon, you can message her privately on reddit, though you have to sign up for an account to do that. | 2014-06-16T04:41:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/14/fundraiser-to-send-sworebytheprecious-to-detroit-to-report-on-you-know-what/comment-page-1/#comment-513338 |
What’s less amusing is that professional journalists sometimes don’t check either.The funniest example from this incident is the Daily Caller story. It says, ok, it's a hoax, but REAL feminists went along with it too! And then it quotes the tweets of "Phoebe Kwon" and another of the fake accounts as examples of these real feminists. |
2014-06-16T03:13:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/15/endfathersday-trolls-being-trolls-or-black-propaganda-designed-to-tear-apart-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-513316 |
Well, I just called Dean a fatty and made fun of his tie again in a comment on Reddit. But here's the thing: he's the managing editor of a site that fat shames all the time, and which has attacked me personally for my weight I don't know how many times. I sort of feel that unless he actually does something about the fat-shaming on AVFM that I, as a fatty, have the right to call him a fatty any time I want? Maybe that's not right, but he's such a shit. Also, it's been like a decade since I wore a tie, and I'm pretty sure I could get the length at least in the ballpark of right. I'm pretty sure Dean has SEEN men wearing ties before. Given that he's also spread nasty lies about me on Twitter and in posts on AVFM, and that he works for a hate site that harasses and threatens women, I sort of feel that I have no obligation to be civil with him at all. That said, I still wouldn't mock the tooth thing. I know someone who had a tooth pulled b/c he couldn't afford to have it dealt with properly. He didn't blame it all on a random feminist professor though. And I wouldn't call him a fatty in a post here. |
2014-06-16T02:59:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/09/dean-esmay-vs-the-princess-studies-professor/comment-page-7/#comment-513312 |
So you're saying you can't read? | 2014-06-16T00:15:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-14/#comment-513227 |
Doug, this isn't a discussion about "dissent," it's a discussion about abusive trolls and, to be frank, this discussion isn't really for you. It's for the regualar commenters here who've been dealing with this for years. Of course one of the issues here is that, because this is a blog that targets misogyny, the people who come here to "dissent" are often "dissenting" from such opinions as "date rape is a real thing" and "women aren't a bunch of lying [slurs]." And so it's very easy for them to slide from expression of thei, er, opinions to outright abuse. There are also trolls who come here pretending they want to discuss the issues but whose real agenda is abuse. Some of these trolls have returned as sockpuppets many times with new accounts and new IP addresses to get around the fact that they're banned. |
2014-06-15T17:17:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/do-i-need-to-crack-down-harder-on-trolls-a-no-troll-no-mra-discussion-thread/comment-page-4/#comment-513030 |
On threaded comments, not going to do those. The free-roaming comment threads we have now seem to work best for this blog. That's what most commenters here say they like, and that's what''s worked in practice.Even when there was a working forum set up with various topics, etc, the comment threads here were always where most of the action was. | 2014-06-14T19:14:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/do-i-need-to-crack-down-harder-on-trolls-a-no-troll-no-mra-discussion-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-512509 |
Latest update: Some of the regular gang here have generously volunteered to serve as mods. I'll try to work out the nuts and bolts of how this will work, and will do another post on that once I do. I'll try to work out some good way to figure out how best to notify them of possible problems when they're on and modding. On the IP bans: I already ban IPs. I ban so, so many IPs. The trouble is that some people post from multiple locations and dedicated trolls/socks use VPNs to change their IPs. When I sometimes announce that I've checked an IP and recognized an old sock, it's not because they're using the same IP as they did before -- those IPs are already in the mod list. But it's because their IP is similar to the old one and/or points to the same location in the real world. If I discover, for example, that someone is posting from the same neighborhood in Manila, it's pretty clear it's the same person; I don't get a lot of traffic from the Phillipines. In the case of some trolls I end up banning as many as a dozen separate IPs to keep them from returning. |
2014-06-14T19:10:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/do-i-need-to-crack-down-harder-on-trolls-a-no-troll-no-mra-discussion-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-512503 |
Cassandra, absolutely. I'm trying to avoid making that misake again. | 2014-06-14T13:47:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/do-i-need-to-crack-down-harder-on-trolls-a-no-troll-no-mra-discussion-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-512357 |
A note to a certain new commenter who has tried to comment in this thread several times: 1) The issue is not whether someone has "dissenting opinions." I am happy to have people with dissenting opinions commenting here. The issue is how to prevent ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR, such as personal attacks on rape survivors. 2) This thread is not for you. If you show up out of the blue, write several long and hostile comments that show you haven't actually read or at least haven't understood.the OP, I'm not going to let you post in a thread in which I try to hash out better policies on how to deal with ABUSIVE commenters. Your attempts to post in this topic are a red flag in an of themselves. I have let through one of your comments in another thread, but you're on moderation and unlikely to get taken off it any time soon. If you continue on as you have you'll get banned. Not for dissenting opinions but an inability to respect boundaries. |
2014-06-14T13:45:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/do-i-need-to-crack-down-harder-on-trolls-a-no-troll-no-mra-discussion-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-512354 |
I apologize for the "be nice" approach I tried with regard to a couple of recent commenters. Part of the reason I've tried that was that I would like to give people who may have inadvertently started off on the wrong foot a second chance. Obviously I think a better approach is for me to put them on moderation -- a sort of probation and cooling off period -- and to make it clearer to these folks -- possibly with emails, definitely with something about this in the comment policy -- what the expectations are for good-faith, non-troll commenters here. If they're not willing to respect the norms here w/ regard to, say, ableist language *without arguing about it*, then they will stay on moderation and/or get banned. If they honestly said what they said without malice and without realizing it would hurt people, and are willing to apologize and pledge to respect the way things are done here, I'm inclined to give them a second chance. Intent isn't magic but if they recognize what they did wrong and actually do change their behavior then I can think about taking them off moderation. |
2014-06-14T13:30:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/do-i-need-to-crack-down-harder-on-trolls-a-no-troll-no-mra-discussion-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-512343 |
Mike wants us all to know that he has nothing to do with the BNP. Ok, Mike, now go. |
2014-06-14T03:48:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/do-i-need-to-crack-down-harder-on-trolls-a-no-troll-no-mra-discussion-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-512079 |
marinerachel, Ugh, I don't know what to say, that's shitty, all of it. I hope you can get all possible means of communication locked down. The more boundaries you can put up between him and you the better. I know it's fucking hard. I got out of a really shitty relationship when I was in grad school and even though it had been shitty it was still really fucking hard being apart from the woman who'd been such a giant part of my life for so long. Even though it was a terrible relationship and she was manipulative, borderline abusive. As everyone here is saying, it gets better. |
2014-06-14T03:44:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-9/#comment-512076 |
Thanks, everyone. Well everyone except one person. Mike, Poodle, can you not read? This thread, not for you. In fact, this blog, not for you, not any more. You were already close to being banned for spamming. Then you posted in a thread that's clearly stated to be not for trolls or MRAs. Those two things, already enough for a ban. But then you went back to your own blog and put up a post noting that I wouldn't be checking comments for a little while, and encouraging MRA/trolls to come here and post while I was away. And you did so using a rape metaphor. So you are DONE. And you're also a good example of why I need to ban more quickly. Because commenters had already picked up your creepy vibe, which I hadn't fully realized until now because I was behind on comments. Ok, so here's what I'm going to do about comments right off the bat: 1) Put people on moderation at the first sign of creepiness. If they behave, I'll let their comments through; when I'm away their comments won't go through, and maybe that'll be a bit annoying for them but I don't really care if it is and we won't have to worry about abusive meltdown. 2) To deal with new commenters who seem basically aligned with the purpose of the blog but who get off on the wrong foot (say something ableist, etc), I'll put them on moderation and send them an email basically explaining what the general rules and assumptions are for good faith commenters; if they're willing to follow those rules and, you know, not argue about it I'll let them comment again. I want to give people a second chance but not if they're going to abuse it. 3) I'll definitely put up more non-troll, non-mra open threads. And when it's appropriate, as it was with the initial Elliot Roger thread, I can restrict threads for posts as well. 4) If there are people here who are willing to volunteer to help moderate it looks like wordpress enables that. So if you would like to help I would greatly appreciate it! But I would like to keep the number of mods pretty low. And you would need to be someone who's been commenting here for a while. If you're interested, email me. The other thing is: If someone is acting creepy or inappropriate, email me! It really helps to get notifications. And this is especially important now because increased traffic has meant a lot more comments are being posted and it's harder for me to keep up with all of them, so I can get behind on reading comments and/or miss comments that have creepy or abusive stuff in them. In the past when regular commenters here have emailed me I've sometimes been reluctant to ban or mod trolls and possible trolls/socks based on gut feelings about them when the troll/MRA in question hasn't clearly or overtly broken the rules or behaved in an overtly creepy or abusive way, but at this point I'm much more inclined to moderate anyone who seems to have the potential to turn abusive. On the sockpuppet question, we seem to be getting fewer socks lately (though we did recently have a visit from one old favorite, though I'm blanking on which one it was). But we're getting a lot more new trolls who are just as bad. So that's what I'm thinking. I'll do a rewrite of the comments policy when I have time. I do want to keep the comments open to MRAs/trolls because they can be entertaining and, obviously, they often provide more evidence of the misogyny that I write about in my posts. But I really don't want repeats of what we saw earlier tonight. |
2014-06-14T02:57:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/do-i-need-to-crack-down-harder-on-trolls-a-no-troll-no-mra-discussion-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-512050 |
Thanks, everyone. And, yeah, I was thinking this probably deserved a post of its own, so I'm going to put one up. Just a sec. | 2014-06-13T20:29:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-6/#comment-511846 |
Ally, so sorry. Ann, I know this is a risk of letting these assholes comment in the first place. Generally the consensus here is to let trolls post unless they're abusive; I know people here like taking them down. But I obviously none of us want situations like this happening. So let me ask people here more generally: Should I be quicker to ban people? Stricter about who I let post in the first place? There are actually a lot of people I don't let post here at all; if their first comment is too aggressive or hostile or (obviously) contains a slur I don't let their comments through. I'm especially strict when it comes to people posting in threads about women who've been harassed. But I could be stricter, and I could ban more quickly if that's what you think I should do. Obviously I don't want what happened in this thread to happen. |
2014-06-13T19:44:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-6/#comment-511812 |
If anyone wants me to delete any other comments of his I will be happy to do so. | 2014-06-13T19:32:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-6/#comment-511797 |
Alejandro is banned for being a creepy rape apologist. And I deleted his last comment which was directed at an individual commenter here and would have been enough for a ban all by itself. I feel like I should bookmark this discussion as a case study in why PUA "philosophy" can be dangerous. |
2014-06-13T19:28:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-6/#comment-511791 |
Well, I don't know if Woody's a sock (the IP/location doesn't suggest any old trolls) but, seriously, Woody can't be real. | 2014-06-13T18:44:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/12/dizzy-with-success-paul-elam-announces-triumphant-move-of-avfm-conference-to-less-convenient-venue/comment-page-8/#comment-511735 |
Mike, Poodle -- do you mind if I call you Poodle? -- I'm aware that the underwear one is supposed to mean "fuck you, [anti-woman slur, plural], your pussies don't entitle you to my man money!" I've been doing this for four years. That's like MRA misogyny 101 stuff there. | 2014-06-13T16:53:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/13/stealing-me-for-daddys-money-hurts-me-too-and-other-nuggets-of-wisdom-from-some-dudes-mra-memes/comment-page-1/#comment-511641 |
Alejandro, Anyone who does a Google search for my name will run across a headline saying outright that I'm a child abuser. If they don't read the article they will assume that means actual child abuse. I suspect that's why AVFM put that in the headline. It's an attempt by them to poison my reputation with a false accusation without leaving themselves open to libel suits by making a specific false charge in the article itself. |
2014-06-13T16:40:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-5/#comment-511632 |
Lili Fugit, I dunno, I think there's a big difference between Stalin's "Dizzy with success" and, say, G W Bush's "Mission accomplished," in that people and the media could mock Bush for it without, you know, getting literally sent to the gulag. Sure, there's lots of propaganda in democratic societies, and yeah it's often more effective than it should be, but there's a giant difference between what we've got and a system where someone literally controls the press, the way a cult leader tries to control the milieu. |
2014-06-12T20:51:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/12/dizzy-with-success-paul-elam-announces-triumphant-move-of-avfm-conference-to-less-convenient-venue/comment-page-5/#comment-511091 |
LBT, that's it exactly. | 2014-06-12T20:40:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/12/dizzy-with-success-paul-elam-announces-triumphant-move-of-avfm-conference-to-less-convenient-venue/comment-page-5/#comment-511082 |
JB, I hate to break it to you, but there is such a thing as bad publicity. What I'm not sure of is whether, in the case of the MRM, there is such a thing as GOOD publicity. I mean, any time the MRM gets noticed outside of its little internet world, decent people generally recoil in horror. Or giggle. Or alternate between recoiling and giggling. | 2014-06-12T19:13:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/12/dizzy-with-success-paul-elam-announces-triumphant-move-of-avfm-conference-to-less-convenient-venue/comment-page-5/#comment-510995 |
Damn I was really hoping I could convince Mike to swim to Iceland. | 2014-06-12T16:58:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/12/dizzy-with-success-paul-elam-announces-triumphant-move-of-avfm-conference-to-less-convenient-venue/comment-page-3/#comment-510870 |
JB, so is your contention that you made up that terrible quote and attributed it to a real person, and when I asked about it on Twitter you gave me a sarcastic response that should have led me to conclude that you had made up the quote and attributed it to a real person? And I should also assume that Dean Esmay independently made up an almost identical quote and posted it in the comments on AVFM? Or did he copy your made up quote and pretend a real person said it? It's all very confusing. The only thing I can really conclude from all this is that you are pretty much the worst "social media director" for a conference ever. |
2014-06-12T16:51:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/12/dizzy-with-success-paul-elam-announces-triumphant-move-of-avfm-conference-to-less-convenient-venue/comment-page-3/#comment-510861 |
I would like to respond to Mike's Public Challenge with one of my own: Mike, I challenge you to swim to Iceland. Come on, it's June. The North Atlantic can't be that cold in freakin june. |
2014-06-12T14:33:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/12/dizzy-with-success-paul-elam-announces-triumphant-move-of-avfm-conference-to-less-convenient-venue/comment-page-2/#comment-510754 |
I wonder if Elam is resorting to this spin so he can say "we changed the venue because we were told the rooms would seat more people" and thus have to avoid cancellation fees. It's such a weird spin otherwise. You'd think he would want to talk about the threats. | 2014-06-12T11:03:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/12/dizzy-with-success-paul-elam-announces-triumphant-move-of-avfm-conference-to-less-convenient-venue/comment-page-1/#comment-510575 |
brighterthanbefore, Interesting. I think I will have to do a post on that. Happily, the internet wayback machine never forgets. Here's the piece the first time the wayback machine catalogued it: http://web.archive.org/web/20111103174336/http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/challenging-the-etiology-of-rape/ |
2014-06-12T07:11:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-in-his-own-words/comment-page-7/#comment-510444 |
I just banned Gary from talking about his case; he's on moderation. | 2014-06-11T14:45:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-2/#comment-509973 |
What I want to know is why AVFM hasn't said shit about what's going on. Esmay drops a little hint that they're having some sort of issue with the Doubletree in his Fox interview, but nothing on the site about it. Now he's confirmed in the comments on the motor city muckraker site that the doubletree isn't hosting it, but says he's too busy onj the phone to give deatils (?), meanwhile nothing on AVFM, which is still advertising the conference as a going concern as if none of this happened. If I were going to a conference I'd want to hear these things from the organizer, not learn about them from news sites or reddit or, you know, an "enemy" blogger. |
2014-06-11T14:42:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-2/#comment-509970 |
sarah, I don't know when the threats were supposedly made. It's possible that the hotel reported threats that had been made earlier. Who did you talk to at the hotel? I contacted the PR folks for the chain but by that point they were saying nothing, they wouldn't confirm or deny the threats or the letter. |
2014-06-11T14:29:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-2/#comment-509960 |
Well, one thing is now resolved: I called the Detroit police and they now say that the Doubletree did report threats to them. Of course, we still don't know who made them. As I said before, if some misguided feminist called in threats, that was a deeply shitty thing to do, and they deserve to face the legal consequences for it. If it was an MRA trying to make feminists look bad, well, they deserve to face legal consequences too. |
2014-06-11T13:11:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-509907 |
Mike, you do realize you're posting on a blog that is devoted to alerting as many people as possible to the terrible ideas of MRAs? That basically every single post here, aside from the ones about kitties and Meredity Monk and so on, is based on the simple notion that the best way to defeat the MRM is to expose its terrible ideas to as many people as possible? | 2014-06-11T12:41:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/is-a-voice-for-mens-conference-kaput-doubletree-says-they-are-not-booked-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-509874 |
And neither of you are willing to speak up against extremism amongst your ‘allies’.The funny thing is that often when these sorts of dudes demand that we criticize "extremists" it turns out taht when they're not talking about Dworkinsolanas they're mad that we don't attack the same three feminists that they know about, and hate. Like that "extremist" Anita Sarkeesian. . |
2014-06-11T12:09:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-5/#comment-509841 |
PSSST. There's a new post up I think some of you might find of interest. |
2014-06-11T11:39:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/11/erin-pizzey-and-the-canadian-elevator-of-misandry/comment-page-1/#comment-509814 |
Oh, and if anyone (who's not Paul) wants to volunteer for my little super-fun record-something-for-me project that I mentioned above and that all the cool people are doing please send me an email. | 2014-06-11T09:33:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509705 |
Paul, we're laughing at you because that's what we do here when we run across people who say ridiculous things based on "facts" they've pulled out of their asses. | 2014-06-11T09:31:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509701 |
Seriously, dude, there are 415,000 comments on this site, and you're not going to find any misandry in them. | 2014-06-11T09:26:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509695 |
Paul, saying, "oh I see it all the time" is not evidence. Show me one "killallmen" comment from this site. Seriously. One. | 2014-06-11T09:25:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509693 |
Paul, point to a mainstram feminist site that's crawling with misandrists. Show me some evidence of misandry. | 2014-06-11T09:16:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509683 |
Paul., I'm also calling bullshit on you "following this site every day for months." I write regularly about the most prominent people in the MR movement. I quote what they say accurately. I don't distort or "quote mine." When I quote comments I pretty much always quote comments that have gotten upvotes; that is, they reflect common beliefs of the communities I'm writing about. If you've been following me every day for months, please give me some examples of times in which I've used "quote mining" to misrepresent someone. |
2014-06-11T09:15:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509681 |
Paul, I'm not even going to bother with most of your idiocy, but if you think I'm unfairly smearing MRAs, please link me to some MR sites that are not not run by or crawling with misogynists. | 2014-06-11T09:07:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509669 |
Paul, you do realize that feminists are actually out in the real world doing shit? They write books, write for real publications, run foundations, work at DV shelters and rape crisis centers, organize demonstrations that attract more than 30 people at a time, and so on and so forth. Why would feminists want to "bury the hatchet" with men who think women are inferior, who write apologias for rape and domestic violence, and whose main idea of "activism" is harassing individual women? It's a bit like asking civil rights activists to start working with the KKK. |
2014-06-11T08:59:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509662 |
Hey , everybody, while I'm here: I'm still looking for a few more volunteers to record brief statements for a little project I'm working on. It will all be anonymous. If you're interested and/or want to know more, email me (don't post about it in the comments). It will definitely be worth it! |
2014-06-11T08:53:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509660 |
Paul, this blog is about trying to understand the ideas (such as they are) and the atttitudes that permeate the misogynistic subculture of the internet. Comments reveal a lot about what rank-and-file MRAs, PUAs, etc etc believe. They'e certainly fair game, Back when I was doing cutlural history in grad school, I would have killed to find good evidence of what ordinary people thought about the various ideas that were being written about in books and articles at the time. Now we have this kind of evidence. So I make use of it. That said, while MRA ideas are interesting as a sociological phenomenon, they're not that interesting as ideas. The MRAs have very few ideas worthy of rebuttal -- and almost none that I and other people have not already rebutted many times before. |
2014-06-11T08:50:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-4/#comment-509658 |
I would be OK with never loving again, I think. Never being able to rid myself of my love for him is my fear.I spent a long time in grad school in love with someone who wasn't in love with me, and at the time it really did feel like I would never get over it. But ultimately I did, and I know you will too. He doesn't deserve your love. Good luck with your appointment! |
2014-06-11T07:04:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-8/#comment-509628 |
Mike B has now responded on his blog: http://j4mb.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/on-being-attacked-by-david-futrelle/ For someone who says that he "honestly [has]much better things to do with my time than find out anything about" me, it's interesting that his response is about 5 times longer than my "attack," which was basically just a quote of his with a little setup. |
2014-06-10T17:58:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/10/the-5-most-ridiculous-things-causing-misogynists-to-lose-their-sht-this-week/comment-page-1/#comment-509148 |
Marinerachel, we're just concerned about you, we want you to be safe! There's nothing wrong with asking for help when you need it. When you're in the midst of all this it can sometimes be hard to believe that you deserve to be taken care of but you do, and help is there for you. And we're here for you. | 2014-06-09T23:44:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-6/#comment-508461 |
Anand, no trolls in this thread. If you can't figure out why, fuck you. I'm putting you on moderation. Any complaints about that and you're banned. | 2014-06-09T20:21:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-5/#comment-508286 |
Calling the ambulance is obviously the right thing to do. Take care of yourself, and make sure you get the care you need. We are all thinking of you. | 2014-06-09T11:19:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-4/#comment-508005 |
Marinerachel, I'm so glad they were able to find you and that you're safe now. I've dealt with depression, too, and I know how bad it can get, but you can definitely get help and get meds and get better. I'm so glad to hear you're getting help. We all really want the best for you. You deserve to be happy. If any of you want to email marinerachel directly, email me and I can pass your info on to her. (Marinerachel, I'm assuming the email you signed up with is still an account you use.) Also, I can remove any comments/info from this thread if you'd like. |
2014-06-09T01:16:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-4/#comment-507758 |
Marinerachel, so, so glad you're ok. Thanks for posting. | 2014-06-09T00:10:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-3/#comment-507718 |
Ok, looks like they're on the scene. Vancouver RCMP transferred the case over the Surrey, which is evidently where she is; I just talked to Surrey RCMP and there are apparently officers there at her place checking on her. I don't have any more info beyond that right now, but they're supposed to call me back at some point. | 2014-06-08T23:33:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-3/#comment-507668 |
marinerachel, we want you to be ok! (And I'm not going to post any of your personal info beyond what I just did, and I will scrub that shortly; I just want others to know in case they can help.) | 2014-06-08T23:03:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-3/#comment-507646 |
I just called Vancouver RCMP and gave them all the info I have. Her email address led to what i think is her name; her IP puts her in Surrey, but the Surry RCMP folks weren't picking up. (I couldn't call 911, but was able to get through to the vancouver RCMP.) If any of you have any other information, please pass it along,post or email it to me, I can relay it to them. Her IP tracks to a residential neighborhood and I gave it to them so they might be able to track her through that too. |
2014-06-08T23:02:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-3/#comment-507644 |
does anyone know what city she's in? vancouver or someplace near tehre? | 2014-06-08T22:47:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-3/#comment-507637 |
marinerachel, please, please call emergency services and get to the hospital. you can get through this. we're here to support you. | 2014-06-08T21:11:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-3/#comment-507540 |
@marinerachel, just wanted to second what everyone's been saying here: you deserve better. And I'm glad you're getting the medical help you need. | 2014-06-08T18:23:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-2/#comment-507482 |
Note to BRZ: Fuck you. You're banned. | 2014-06-08T17:58:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/07/anti-avfm-conference-protest-happening-now-in-detroit-see-twitter-hashtag-nomra-for-updates/comment-page-2/#comment-507470 |
Hey everyone, a quick CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS I'm doing a little project and I need a bunch of people to record brief statements for me; they're all written and it's very straightforward. All you need is a microphone of some sort and the ability to record sound files on your computer. It should only take a few minutes.No acting abilities or funny fake accents required. If you might be interested, email me (don't comment) and I can fill in the rest of the details. |
2014-06-08T17:50:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/06/open-thread-for-non-personal-stuff-no-trolls-no-mras/comment-page-3/#comment-507468 |
Katz, I bought a glam rock single. In the 1970s. I'm really old. | 2014-06-07T00:25:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/06/open-thread-for-non-personal-stuff-no-trolls-no-mras/comment-page-2/#comment-506631 |
Cloudiah, we need some sort of We Hunted the Mammoth Puppet Theater to act out those sorts of dramas! | 2014-06-07T00:11:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/06/the-top-5-worst-comments-by-davidbyron2-in-the-mens-rights-subreddit-this-week/comment-page-2/#comment-506625 |
Uh oh, according to that site, the theme song to my like is Tragedy, by the Bee Gees, which is pretty anthemic musically, but, damn the lyrics are depressing. I'm going to change the rules a little bit and declare that the theme song to my life is "Magic" by Pilot, because that's the first single I ever bought and, dammit, that song still holds up. Also it's much less depressing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlK0OGpIRs |
2014-06-06T23:52:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/06/open-thread-for-non-personal-stuff-no-trolls-no-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-506622 |
Ann Somerville, welcome! I was going to send you a note about this, but obviously you found it already. Thanks again for the idea; sorry I was a bit defensive in the discussion. Anyway, glad to see other people are liking the idea as well. I think I'll make this a reguar feature. |
2014-06-06T23:38:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/06/open-thread-for-non-personal-stuff-no-trolls-no-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-506616 |
1029384756, so, you're saying "Not All Redditors?" Of course not all Redditors. My post doesn't claim that all Redditors think like this. Heck, I use Reddit, so technically I'm a Redditor. It's just sort of amazing that this guy got roughly 150 upvotes, last I checked. I've been on Reddit for years and I don't think I've ever got that many upvotes for anything. Yes, the headline was a teensy bit simplified, because the quote was already long and I have to keep the headlines shortish so they can be Tweeted. But I've corrected it for you now. Not All Redditors! |
2014-06-06T18:59:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/05/redditors-agree-in-99-of-societal-contexts-such-as-going-to-office-going-to-the-supermarket-etc-it-is-men-who-have-to-be-continually-afraid-of-women/comment-page-2/#comment-506491 |
Joe, if you go over to the comments on this post on this very blog: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/05/the-e-day-concert-that-wasnt-the-canadian-association-for-equality-turns-a-pr-disaster-into-a-pr-catastrophe/ you will find feminists critiquing other feminists, quite harshly, right this very moment. |
2014-06-06T07:54:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/02/15/factchecking-a-list-of-hateful-quotes-from-feminists/comment-page-4/#comment-506080 |
AngryMouse, welcome! At this point I'm pretty much convinced that most MRAs are driven by anger at feminist successes over the past several decades on issues of date rape, sexual harassment, and domestic violence. A lot of them are guys pissed that they can't get away with what they used to be able to get away with, or (if they're younger) what they feel entitled to get away with. Hence all their focus on "false accusations" and trying to muddy the issue of consent. Obviously there's a subset of the movement angry about divorce, but I think many of them gravitate to the father's rights movement instead. (The 2 movements are surprisingly distinct.) |
2014-06-06T01:01:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/05/redditors-agree-in-99-of-societal-contexts-such-as-going-to-office-going-to-the-supermarket-etc-it-is-men-who-have-to-be-continually-afraid-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-505927 |
The (alleged) New Brunswick shooter has been arrested. https://twitter.com/RCMPNB/status/474770191747129344 |
2014-06-05T23:52:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/05/redditors-agree-in-99-of-societal-contexts-such-as-going-to-office-going-to-the-supermarket-etc-it-is-men-who-have-to-be-continually-afraid-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-505900 |
Not All Redditors! (And yes not all Redditors agree. I didn't say "all Redditors." I was just struck that the comment had 145 upvotes or whatever it had at the time, in a non-MRA subreddit. That DOES say something about the culture of Reddit.) |
2014-06-05T19:47:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/05/redditors-agree-in-99-of-societal-contexts-such-as-going-to-office-going-to-the-supermarket-etc-it-is-men-who-have-to-be-continually-afraid-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-505755 |
YOU CAN’T EAT THE PONY.Well what was all that talk about currying its coat then? Can I have pony pizza at least? Or microwaved Pony Puffs? I mean, they barely have any real pony in them at all. I think they're mostly burro. |
2014-06-04T19:59:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/04/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-and-dean-esmay-explain-the-proper-slurs-to-use-for-nasty-women/comment-page-1/#comment-504826 |
No, AVFM doesn't owe us proof. But given their track record I will find it a bit hard to believe them if they don't provide proof. If I were a donor to them, I would certainly want proof. In any case, AVFM says it's going to provide the proof when they hire the police/get the insurance, so I guess we'll see. |
2014-06-04T19:20:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/03/is-a-voice-for-men-using-phony-death-threats-as-an-excuse-to-smear-feminists-and-raise-a-quick-25k-heres-what-we-dont-know-so-far/comment-page-2/#comment-504789 |
Cloudiah, Curried pony sounds delicious! Thanks! |
2014-06-04T19:08:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/04/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-and-dean-esmay-explain-the-proper-slurs-to-use-for-nasty-women/comment-page-1/#comment-504778 |
Delphi Ote, could be. I suppose the drawback of that plan might be that 1) if they get caught they probably go to jail and 2) they would have to actually pay for the extra security. | 2014-06-04T04:39:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/03/is-a-voice-for-men-using-phony-death-threats-as-an-excuse-to-smear-feminists-and-raise-a-quick-25k-heres-what-we-dont-know-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-504305 |
Just a note: I toned down some of the language in the post a bit; I think it was distracting from my main points. | 2014-06-04T04:37:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/03/is-a-voice-for-men-using-phony-death-threats-as-an-excuse-to-smear-feminists-and-raise-a-quick-25k-heres-what-we-dont-know-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-504304 |
Damn, that kik harassment is pretty much the worst creepy PM I've ever seen. And of course some assholes are calling it fake, blaming her, bla bla. | 2014-06-04T02:26:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/31/coalpha-forum-member-on-elliot-rodger-had-he-just-butchered-as-many-sorority-girls-as-he-could-he-would-have-been-a-true-hero/comment-page-4/#comment-504253 |
Oops, ninjaed. | 2014-06-03T11:25:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-8/#comment-503445 |
Also, people involved with the group have a history of making some pretty backwards statements about feminism and women. | 2014-06-03T11:24:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-8/#comment-503443 |
I do not like thee, Doctor Pell, The reason why - I cannot tell; But this I know, and know full well, I do not like thee, Doctor Pell Yep. Peter was a Pell. |
2014-06-03T10:43:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/01/a-voice-for-mens-threatener-in-chief-paul-elam-demands-that-feminists-pay-security-costs-for-his-groups-conference/comment-page-9/#comment-503412 |
what the hell is sperm theft?You know, women sneaking used condoms out of the trash to impregnate themselves, that sort of thing. MRA-ish radio personality Tom Leykis tells all men to carry hot sauce with them so they can put some in their used condoms so, I guess, if the woman tries to sperm burgle him she'll end up screaming in pain so he'll know? I'm not sure exactly what the hot sauce is supposed to do, actually. But if you ever discover hot sauce in a date's pants pocket you might want to quickly make your escape. By the way, the preferred terms are "spermjacking" and "sperm burgling." |
2014-06-03T03:29:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/26/mens-rights-redditor-warns-men-be-careful-with-your-sperm-your-very-freedom-is-at-stake/comment-page-12/#comment-503117 |
Oh lord. I'm just catching up here. I had no idea JB had hit the comments! Because she emailed me with the same shit! Except instead of starting with all that threaty stuff at the start she just launched directly into the "oh I'm so worried about this person we're doxxing" bullshit. It was as surreal as the discussion here. I feel I need to post the whole exchange for you all. Emma Howland-Bolton Inbox Janet Bloomfield 6:33 PM (6 hours ago) to futrelle David, This woman could be in a world of trouble way out of proportion to what she deserves. You can mock me if you like, but if she called in those threats (and I have no evidence she did) she could be in so much trouble. It is entirely possible that some wingnut MRA called the threats in. Either way, we would like to know. But it if it was Emma, she is in a lot of trouble. I don't know what you can do to help her, but whatever you can do, please do. And yes, you can publish this should you feel compelled. But stop for one second first. If Emma thought it would be a kind of a fun not threatening no consequences thing to call in death threats to get the conference cancelled, she made grave error. Rather than grind an ax, please help her. David Futrelle 6:46 PM (6 hours ago) to Janet And why are you writing me? I don't know her, I've never spoken to her or communicated with her in any way. I had to google her to find out who she was. Do you have any evidence she had anything to do with this? Janet Bloomfield 6:56 PM (5 hours ago) to me David, I have NO EVIDENCE of any kind. I am just frightened for her. She posted on FB that she had a fuuuun action that required actors and a few days later we got a letter that the Doubletree had received death threats. It might have been some nutbar like Peter Nolan (surely you know him) or some other MRA calling in threats, but she went suddenly silent on the FB protest page, which i was logged in to under my own name. If, and I say IF with a big caveat, Emma was in any way involved in those threats, she is in massively big trouble. Way more than she knows. The hotel freaked out over the threats and wants Detroit Police there, which is fine. We have raised that money easily. But if Emma was involved in triggering that request (and again I have ZERO EVIDENCE of that) she is in so much trouble. Let me state on the record, right here and now, that I do not support the full force of the law being thrown at protesters who may have stepped over bounds they did not truly appreciate. Even if Emma DID threaten (and I have no evidence she did) death, it was hyperbole and should be treated as such. I am more than willing to Skype or call you to discuss this. I think Emma is in so much trouble :( David Futrelle 7:42 PM (5 hours ago) to Janet So your only reason for suspecting her is that she's organizing a peaceful protest against you? And that she "went silent" on her FB page? If you're so fucking concerned about her, why not try to get people to take down shit like this, which I found after googling her name: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lS4daVOu4GA/U4wLy73XVVI/AAAAAAAAMnA/7tK5llVCs70/s1600/Emma+Howland-Bolton.jpg I don't buy for a minute that you're "concerned." You have absolutely no reason to think it was her. It could have been anyone. Can't they trace the threatening phone calls? I have never had an encounter with an AVFMer in which they did not act like an utter shitead, so I can only assume that you think I know her and that somehow by pretending to be concerned you'll convince me to convince her to fess up ... or something. But really, truly, honestly, I don't know her. I don't know anything about her except that she's organizing a protest and that AVFMers hate her. Look, my experience has been that AVFMers are compulsive liars -- remember that imaginary mob of 30 feminists with boxcutters that John went on about before the Daily Beast made clear it never existed -- so I don't trust anything you all have said about this publicly, and I don't trust you, personally, now. Janet Bloomfield 7:45 PM (5 hours ago) to me david, They can trace phone calls, call me can we skype? David Futrelle < 7:52 PM (4 hours ago) to Janet So if they can trace phone calls, why not wait until you know who the culprit is? Why are you contacting me now to talk to me about someone I don't know? Why exactly DO you want to talk? What is there to talk about? Janet Bloomfield 7:57 PM (4 hours ago) to me I guess because I'm afraid it really WAS Emma? I hope it wasn't. I really hope it wasn't. I'm intelligent enough to understand that hyperbole is one thing. Actual intention is another. I hope she is okay, David Futrelle 8:55 PM (3 hours ago) to Janet Janet, you're completely transparent. I don't know her. I don't know anything about this. As far as I know Paul Elam called in the threats in a fake British accent. Gosh, I'm worried about him. I hope he's ok! – |
2014-06-03T03:14:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/01/a-voice-for-mens-threatener-in-chief-paul-elam-demands-that-feminists-pay-security-costs-for-his-groups-conference/comment-page-7/#comment-503107 |
Thanks everyone! | 2014-06-02T21:13:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/02/gigantic-thanks-to-everyone-who-donated/comment-page-1/#comment-502833 |
Note to woodyred: I censored your comment becuase you linked to a video of someone BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED. I know you want to make a point using the video, but everyone here is aware of that video, and more to the point: it is not ok to post videos of child sexual abuse here. Putting that sort of material online ADDS TO THE TRAUMA OF THE VICTIM, in this case a young boy. Do you actually give a shit about the boy, or are you more concerned about scoring a point in your argument? You can certainly refer to the video to make whatever point you want to make with it, but you cannot post it here. |
2014-06-02T12:23:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-7/#comment-501788 |
Peter, as an internet tough guy I would naturally intervene in both situations, stepping between the fighting parties and ending the fight. I actually don't intervene in a lot of fights in real life because I don't see a lot of fights in real life. I intervened once to keep a drunk "friend" of mine from getting punched once when he was acting like a dick, does that count? More recently I saw a big beefy dude chase down a guy and pin him to the ground, and along with various other onlookers I ... stood there and yelled a bit to try to figure out what was going on. The guy said he was an off duty cop and the guy he had pinned had stolen something. Eventually the cops came and sorted it out; apparently the dude had stolen something. |
2014-06-02T05:46:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-7/#comment-501584 |
Oops. i posted a comment referring to a different troll. Luckily I can edit my own comments. heh heh heh | 2014-06-02T05:31:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/01/a-voice-for-mens-threatener-in-chief-paul-elam-demands-that-feminists-pay-security-costs-for-his-groups-conference/comment-page-2/#comment-501580 |
Hmm. Maybe I should offer a reward. Do you think that $14.72 would cover it? | 2014-06-01T21:43:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/01/a-voice-for-mens-threatener-in-chief-paul-elam-demands-that-feminists-pay-security-costs-for-his-groups-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-501328 |
I wonder if they'll offer a reward to find the threateners. | 2014-06-01T21:41:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/01/a-voice-for-mens-threatener-in-chief-paul-elam-demands-that-feminists-pay-security-costs-for-his-groups-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-501325 |
I agree that this could well be a scam, that i may well be that they haven't sold enough tickets for the conference after all, and that this will be their excuse to cancel (while taking in some more bucks for the security and not returning them when they're not needed). It's not like they haven't invented threats in the past (mobs of feminists with boxcutters, for example, which they still talk about even though the claim has been exposed as a lie). |
2014-06-01T21:38:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/06/01/a-voice-for-mens-threatener-in-chief-paul-elam-demands-that-feminists-pay-security-costs-for-his-groups-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-501318 |
They are fucking actors of course its a fraud. You think they really blew up the Death Star?I love that basically the only MRA reactions to my post so far have been: 1) It's totally not a fraud and you only think it is because you're biased! 2) Of course it's a fraud but it doesn't matter because everything is edited! 3) Well maybe that's a fraud but here's this other video that wasn't a fraud! So far, no one has said, oh, that's kind of skeezy, maybe they shouldn't have done that because this actually undermines their message. |
2014-06-01T04:12:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-500786 |
I such a lot indisputably will make sure to don?t disregard this site and provides it a glance on a relentless basis.Hey, coming from a spambot this is pretty high praise. I'm flattered. |
2014-06-01T00:57:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-500724 |
This is their "mission statement."
The CoAlpha Brotherhood is an attempt to abandon feminist society and collectively create an independent sub-culture based on patriarchal values. The CoAlpha Brotherhood is not an attempt to reform society. Neither is it just a men's social club. Some religious groups like the Amish and Hasidic Jews already have such sub-cultures, but we do not want to be tied to a specific religion. We want a community where men can trust each other and our families are free from feminism.Here's an earlier draft of it. [1.] CoAlpha Brotherhood is an attempt to abandon feminist society and any attempts to reform society by first creating a virtual meeting place for [2.] lone men who've dropped out to meet (a,k,b). [3.] This virtual meeting place will offer matchmaking marriage services between lone men and none-feminist women (d). [4.] We'll off this service because we believe patriarchal monogamy is the only sustainable mating arrangement for our species (g). And this mating arrangement can only be achieved through cooperation, not competition (e). Therefore we promise to respect other men's wives and mutually defend other men's wives from non-cooperative men (c). [5. 6.]We seek to maintain our values by creating an independent subculture based on traditional patriarchal values and morals, but without being tied to a specific religion (l,m). [7.] Our efforts will eventually materialize into a physical meeting place that safely houses our families and is free of feminist influence and non-coopertive men (f,h).I kind of like the draft better, especially the bit about the "none-feminist women" and all the stuff about promising "to respect other men's wives and mutually defend other men's wives from non-cooperative men." |
2014-05-31T23:47:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/31/coalpha-forum-member-on-elliot-rodger-had-he-just-butchered-as-many-sorority-girls-as-he-could-he-would-have-been-a-true-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-500693 |
That shy boys doc is on vimeo. http://vimeo.com/28466163 |
2014-05-31T22:16:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/31/coalpha-forum-member-on-elliot-rodger-had-he-just-butchered-as-many-sorority-girls-as-he-could-he-would-have-been-a-true-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-500632 |
fschmidt actually cites the Bible as his reason for making that argument:
The Bible makes this point very clearly in the story about the Midianites in Numbers 25 and Numbers 31:1-18.Somehow I don't think he lives his life according to everything else in the old testament though. |
2014-05-31T22:11:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/31/coalpha-forum-member-on-elliot-rodger-had-he-just-butchered-as-many-sorority-girls-as-he-could-he-would-have-been-a-true-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-500629 |
Hey dude, good job in completely missing the point. You are aware that all humans regardless of race are pretty much biologically identical, right? | 2014-05-31T22:07:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/14/its-get-on-your-knees-and-thank-a-white-man-day-in-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-3/#comment-500626 |
Nobinayamu, hey, good to see you again! I wrote about fschmidt and the CoAlpha Boys a couple of times, a long time back, but I had sort of put them out of my mind. I had honestly forgotten how terrible they are. |
2014-05-31T21:57:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/31/coalpha-forum-member-on-elliot-rodger-had-he-just-butchered-as-many-sorority-girls-as-he-could-he-would-have-been-a-true-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-500612 |
Oh, right, paladin is banned, shouldn't have let his comment through. It's hard to keep track. | 2014-05-31T17:58:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-4/#comment-500381 |
Spinning For Difficulty, instead of making up imaginary feminist logic, why don't you read what I (and the various commenters here) actually said about his motives? I mean, if you want to argue against imaginary people who argued something different than what we argued, that's fine, I guess, but there's no point in doing it here. Why not just wander around your house yelling at yourself? That way at least we don;t have to hear it. | 2014-05-31T04:51:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/comment-page-8/#comment-499929 |
Ally, what a creep! | 2014-05-31T02:44:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-499890 |
Stevie, stop, seriously. | 2014-05-31T00:38:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/today-in-imaginary-feminism-the-slap-circle-of-misandry/comment-page-3/#comment-499786 |
zoon echon logon, I fixed that. Thanks for pointing it out. The other thing about this video that's bothersome is that instead of simply trying to make the case that comestic violence against men is a serious issue, it sets up a sort of competition between DV against women and against men, and essentially suggests men have it worse because people don't take DV seriously when they're the victims. Why does it have to be a competition? |
2014-05-31T00:11:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/30/is-the-mankind-initiatives-violenceisviolence-video-a-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-499735 |
... and that is kind of why I didn't let you post in a thread in which I specifically banned not just trolls but the gratuitously argumentative. | 2014-05-29T21:07:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/mens-rights-activists-respond-to-the-elliot-rodger-murders-with-a-hearty-nothing-to-see-here-move-along/comment-page-6/#comment-498881 |
I just read through a bunch of femitheist's most recent tweets. Some of the stuff she's written in the past has been bizarre and, in the case of the castration thing, off the fucking charts. But her recent tweets are generally smart and sensible and often funny. It's hard to reconcile that with some of her really out-there stuff from the past. | 2014-05-29T20:36:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/comment-page-6/#comment-498859 |
International Castration Day was something proposed by a Youtuber called the femitheist. She apparently was serious about it, and it kind of was what it sounded like, as far as I remember, but she has since decided that it was a very very bad idea. FWIW, she doesn't identify as a feminist. I've watched some of her videos and honestly can't figure her out. | 2014-05-29T20:13:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/comment-page-6/#comment-498828 |
And my post about the two pornstar suicides and the REAL character of patriarchy that we live in? David Frutell’s response: Sorry nothing to see here.Yeah. that's because you posted them in a "no trolls" topic where I had specifically banned anything excessively argumentative. Because people were upset by the murders and none of us wanted to read that sort of bullshit right then, right there. So yeah, if you post something in the one thread where it isn't allowed, I won't let it through, genius. |
2014-05-29T18:32:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/mens-rights-activists-respond-to-the-elliot-rodger-murders-with-a-hearty-nothing-to-see-here-move-along/comment-page-6/#comment-498743 |
My post was sarcastic. The guy I was quoting was serious. | 2014-05-29T18:17:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2010/11/24/ladies-stop-assaulting-us-by-dressing-like-slutty-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-498717 |
Actually, I might have posted more. But those were two pretty busy days for me. | 2014-05-29T16:43:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/29/note-to-clueless-misogynistic-dating-coaches-vogue-magazine-does-not-run-handjob-how-tos-as-cover-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-498641 |
I like that he claims he made one comment and then got banned. He made five, most of them giant walls of text, before getting banned for saying creepy shit about rape. He posted about 2500 words in all, considerably more than I posted to the blog in the same amount of time he was here. | 2014-05-29T16:42:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/29/note-to-clueless-misogynistic-dating-coaches-vogue-magazine-does-not-run-handjob-how-tos-as-cover-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-498640 |
Well well, I guess I should have checked the moderation queue earlier. Ronnie left a couple of comments here that you'llhave to scroll up to fairly early in the discussion to see. He also added a bunch of stuff to his post. Apparently he was so quick to show that his "booboo" didn't matter that he didn't actually bother to read my whole post. | 2014-05-29T16:35:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/29/note-to-clueless-misogynistic-dating-coaches-vogue-magazine-does-not-run-handjob-how-tos-as-cover-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-498636 |
weirwoodtreehugger, you know, I felt like that line about Vogue and Glamour was off, too, since Vogue is obviously the "classier" of the two. Even as a dude I know that. I fixed it. I suppose I should read Ronnie's post about his visit here. I really didn't do much more than read this one and look at post titles. |
2014-05-29T16:09:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/29/note-to-clueless-misogynistic-dating-coaches-vogue-magazine-does-not-run-handjob-how-tos-as-cover-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-498615 |
I read the "about" page on Ronnie's site (he gave it some clever name I forgot) and it went on and on about how his blog would defy characterization bla bla, but virually all of his posts seem to be about the same old PUA -- sorry, "seduction" -- crap. | 2014-05-29T16:05:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/29/note-to-clueless-misogynistic-dating-coaches-vogue-magazine-does-not-run-handjob-how-tos-as-cover-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-498611 |
Exene, what the hell? So sad. I grew up on your music, dammit! This isn't quite like discovering that Santa Claus eats babies, but close. |
2014-05-29T15:24:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/mens-rights-activists-respond-to-the-elliot-rodger-murders-with-a-hearty-nothing-to-see-here-move-along/comment-page-6/#comment-498561 |
How does this hurt David?I'm not sure but it's clear that Price intended it as a dig at me. He wrote a little introduction to the book where he quotes something sexist said by the main character, then he says stuff about the patriarchal society depicted in the book (duh it was written more than 100 years ago) and how wonderful that is, and then mentions that my great grandfather refused to get in the lifeboats of the Titanic because, yep, he was being chivalrous, and then notes that his wife was super upset by this and his mother allegedly died of shock on hearing the news and that he left his kids fatherless. And then he says something along the lines of "boy, how families can change huh?" Which I guess is supposed to be a dig at me because I'm not into patriarchy like my great grandfather supposedly was. So I guess that's a dig at me? Interesting thing about my great grandfather: his wife, Lily May Futrelle was also a writer. Huh. He married a woman with a career, in 1895. He was a man of his times in a lot of ways, but he did recognize that women could make careers for themselves using their brains. |
2014-05-29T11:28:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/program-note-ill-be-on-npr-at-11-am-eastern-today-talking-about-elliot-rodger-and-the-new-misogyny/comment-page-2/#comment-498423 |
Yeah, I'll go ahead and delete your comments too, Cloudiah. I don't know if he was a returning troll. His IP was new and didn't map anywhere weird. If he was, seems like kind of a stupid hobby. |
2014-05-29T00:44:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/mens-rights-activists-respond-to-the-elliot-rodger-murders-with-a-hearty-nothing-to-see-here-move-along/comment-page-4/#comment-498192 |
Jeez, I go offline for a bit and all hell breaks loose. Davis is banned, and I deleted the worst of his crap. | 2014-05-29T00:31:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/mens-rights-activists-respond-to-the-elliot-rodger-murders-with-a-hearty-nothing-to-see-here-move-along/comment-page-4/#comment-498174 |
I kind of think it's ok for fat people to make not-particularly mean-spirited fat jokes about a fat dude who is the managing editor of a website that regularly fat shames people. I mean, their editorial cartoonist dude has drawn like several dozen cartoons of me as a fat giant wearing a dirty diaper and holding a half-eaten chicken leg. Damn I'm hungry now. |
2014-05-28T18:42:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/program-note-ill-be-on-npr-at-11-am-eastern-today-talking-about-elliot-rodger-and-the-new-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-497590 |
bunnybunny, just to be clear, I was just disagreeing with you slightly on the bullying thing, and agreeing with you on the virgin shaming thing. | 2014-05-28T17:21:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/mens-rights-activists-respond-to-the-elliot-rodger-murders-with-a-hearty-nothing-to-see-here-move-along/comment-page-1/#comment-497545 |
bunnybunny, well, he did mention some actual bullying in the manifesto, though oddly he decided to hate the girlfriends of the bullies more than the bullies themselves. As for virgin-shaming, well, he's the only one obsessed with his virginity. He talks about it constantly in his manifesto/memoir, and shames himself for it. In the entire document, the only examples of "virgin shaming" from others I found all took place when he was in college. 1) He noticed guys on WoW making fun of virgins. 2) One set of roommates made fun of him for beng a virgin after he brought it up and had a fit when they said they weren't 3) Another set of roommates also made fun of him. They actually brought it up. I was a virgin when I started college. I don't remember any "virgin shaming." |
2014-05-28T17:15:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/mens-rights-activists-respond-to-the-elliot-rodger-murders-with-a-hearty-nothing-to-see-here-move-along/comment-page-1/#comment-497542 |
marinerachel, you are very thoughtful! But I believe Dean was spotted wearing long pants at that, er, "rally" they held. You know, the one where he was also wearing short pants. Yep, he did a costume change! Which means either that he changed his pants in the park, or maybe in someone's car, or in a restaurant bathroom, or that his long pants were the kind that you can unzip to make into short pants. Pretty much all of these possibilities are kind of entertaining. |
2014-05-28T17:00:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/program-note-ill-be-on-npr-at-11-am-eastern-today-talking-about-elliot-rodger-and-the-new-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-497533 |
I just added a bit more to the end about creep shaming; I realized I hadn't fully worked out just why that infuriated me so much. And now I have! | 2014-05-28T15:57:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/mens-rights-activists-respond-to-the-elliot-rodger-murders-with-a-hearty-nothing-to-see-here-move-along/comment-page-1/#comment-497431 |
The archived audio is up now, at the same link: http://onpoint.wbur.org/2014/05/28/misogyny-isla-vista-murder-shooting On the petition thing, I think someone else -- possibly even a misguided feminist -- started it, and then the AVFMers decided to latch onto it for publicity. If you follow the link on reddit to Esmay's post on AVFM you also will get to see him post some ridiculous, wrong, pulled from his ass conspiracy theory nonsense about little old me! |
2014-05-28T14:10:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/program-note-ill-be-on-npr-at-11-am-eastern-today-talking-about-elliot-rodger-and-the-new-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-497329 |
Gillyrosebee, I actually think the host was pretty sympathetic, and that there was just a bit of misunderstanding there. I think some of his questions are designed to get answers that will defuse defensive reactions from men. | 2014-05-28T10:47:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/program-note-ill-be-on-npr-at-11-am-eastern-today-talking-about-elliot-rodger-and-the-new-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-497186 |
Well, my segment is over. I hope I more or less made sense. Soraya Chemaly is amazing. | 2014-05-28T10:43:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/program-note-ill-be-on-npr-at-11-am-eastern-today-talking-about-elliot-rodger-and-the-new-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-497181 |
Thanks, everyone! Will ban that paladin dude for spamming when I'm done. | 2014-05-28T10:00:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/28/program-note-ill-be-on-npr-at-11-am-eastern-today-talking-about-elliot-rodger-and-the-new-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-497160 |
DRF, according to this story he was diagnosed with aspergers as a kid: http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/27/justice/california-elliot-rodger-wealth/index.html I don't know if this diagnoses was revised later or what. He never mentions aspergers in his manifesto. |
2014-05-28T09:20:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/comment-page-6/#comment-497133 |
Yeah, that's why I let it through. Most spambots just want to talk endlessly about fake gucci bags. | 2014-05-28T08:36:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/05/a-voice-for-male-students-misquotation-schmishquotation/comment-page-3/#comment-497084 |
I could have made a phone call or two and borrowed the money. But, nah, I'll burn myself alive and see if I can get MRAs riled up enough to start firebombing some government buildings and scaring the shit out of judges and maybe kiiling some dudes.Note: The first sentence is an actual quote from Tom Ball. The rest is a loose summary of the rest of his manifesto. |
2014-05-27T16:20:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/26/dr-helen-of-pj-media-tries-to-blame-feminists-for-elliot-rodgers-rampage-so-why-did-she-once-glorify-an-mra-much-like-rodger/comment-page-2/#comment-496600 |
Thanks everyone! historophilia: You can donate pretty much anywhere PayPal exists; they handle the currency conversion. I get lots of donations from other countries. taitaisanchez, cat litter keeps my cats from pooping and peeing on the floor, so it does make me happy. howard, I didn't realize all that. Glad to have been a part of that! |
2014-05-27T14:51:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/27/pledge-drive-begging-cat-gif-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-496527 |
Oh, Maude, that's so sad! Poor kitty. I went with my best friend today to put her cat to sleep; it really was the only choice. She was 19, and her health was rapidly deteriorating, and it was time. But it was still sad. I knew that cat since she was a kitten, helped my friend pick her and her kitty brother (who had to be put to sleep a couple of years ago) out at the shelter. |
2014-05-27T14:45:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-very-belated-may-2014-edition/comment-page-4/#comment-496519 |
What the hell. I go to the grocery store, because that's just what I like to do at 2am and now I'm back and Erin is still standing in the punch bowl yelling. Find some other people to yell at, dude. Or yell at your chickens. Because you've used up your quota of comments here. |
2014-05-27T02:39:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-24/#comment-496043 |
If you ever want to feel really depressed: http://www.domesticviolencecrimewatch.com/ There are some murder-suicides in the latest batch of stories. These are pretty much always committed by men, with the targets being wives, girlfriends, exes, and sometimes children. I wonder what percentage of male suicides are in fact murder-suicides? Lil Fugit, I've read the manifesto too and that's one of the most striking things about it. His idea of how to get a girlfriend is literally to go outside and walk around. All the rejections,all this grand drama, is entirely in his head because he never actually approaches any women. |
2014-05-27T01:21:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/26/dr-helen-of-pj-media-tries-to-blame-feminists-for-elliot-rodgers-rampage-so-why-did-she-once-glorify-an-mra-much-like-rodger/comment-page-1/#comment-495872 |
Oh, and everyone who was having their comments eaten: I think the spam filter goes into overdrive when a thread gets really busy. Anyway, I just unspammed several dozen comments, mostly from cassandra but there were a few others who got caught in the net too. Hopefully the fact that I unspammed them will encourage the spam filter to stop eating your comments. | 2014-05-27T00:47:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-21/#comment-495799 |
Erin, you know what you could have done? You could have clarified what you meant, you could have tried to say that you weren't trying to dismiss legitmate fears people had, you could have tried to understand why people were reacting so negatively to what you thought were simply reassuring comments.Sometimes it's good just to listen. What's not so good is to start calling a bunch of women who disagree with you bitches and whores and clucking chickens and scaredy cats, all while pretending to be a woman because you sort of assume the commenters here all hate men or something. |
2014-05-27T00:43:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-20/#comment-495784 |
Just catching up and I take back my thing about reining it in. Jeezus. | 2014-05-27T00:29:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-20/#comment-495737 |
Erin, what the hell? I've just read through this whole thing. Ok, you said some things at the start that you think were misunderstood. Maybe they were. I mean, I actually agree that guys that think like this are a minority, and I also agree that most of the internet PUAs/manospherians are not the sexual swashbucklers they think they are. I'm pretty sure most of the people here would agree as well. No one here thinks that Roosh is some kind of sex god, just a sad, shitty asshole who's admitted to date rape at least once. And yes, I think most of us believe that he's capable of that. Yeah, the people I write about on this blog are on the fringe. But they're still worth tracking, just as the KKK is worth tracking. People on the fringe can cause harm. And a lot of the attitudes that we've been talking about over the last few days aren't all that fringey. But back to that "what the hell?" So you think you were misinderstood and that the regulars here were mean to you. How exactly does it help your case to call them bitches and whores and a bunch of scaredy cats, and declare that we're all a bunch of clucking chickens and that you're the only one paying attention to the really dangerous guys out there and you speak 7 languages bla bla bla? (BTW, who are the really dangerous guys we're ignoring?) And then to start poking at Pecunium because he admitted he once had violent thoughts? Maybe I'm gullible, but I don't actually think you're a troll. I just don't get what you're trying to do here. Can we all just rein this in a bit? |
2014-05-26T23:30:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-17/#comment-495494 |
Auntie Alias, I'm so sorry. What a sad and difficult situation to be put in. pollydactyl, lbt, z, internet hugs if you want them. |
2014-05-26T20:28:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-very-belated-may-2014-edition/comment-page-4/#comment-494931 |
Ok, I'm stilll way way behind on this thread, but Ronnie will be taking a permanant vacation. And I did like racnad, first complaining that there were no self-help books for men before the 90s, and then after being shown that there were, asked that they be relvant today. Damn it, I demand that the people in the past not only write books for men, but anticipate what will be most relevant to men twenty years in their future! |
2014-05-26T19:56:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-11/#comment-494900 |
Ally, I just opened up a new "happy" open thread as a respite from all this, and from the trolls. Cloudiah, it figures it's "Dr. Helen" writing that bullshit. |
2014-05-26T13:42:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/comment-page-3/#comment-494625 |
One of the reasons I have zero sympathy for “nice Guys” is that they whine about being lonely because they ct an’t get that perfect HB 10, while deeming decent looking women in their own age Group unworthy of their precious attention.Rodger made clear in his manifesto that he was pretty much only interested in "beautiful blonde girls." At one point he's horrified to discover that his fat roommate has a girlfriend in his room with him, and is enormously relieved to discover that she's "ugly," so he doesn't have to feel envious of him. |
2014-05-26T04:44:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/comment-page-2/#comment-494327 |
Big Momma, link deleted! | 2014-05-26T03:37:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/comment-page-2/#comment-494291 |
However, Elliot Rodgers is psychotic and anti-social, but he is not a narcissist. He doesn’t have any form of what we call Autism, he does have frontal and temporal lobe deficiencies that led to this violence. There is also evidence of abuse and neglect potentially from his Father figure and other psychologist suggest his motherly figure.Jimmy, where exactly are you getting this? He was treated for aspergers in school, according to the accounts I read, and I've seen no evidence for any of the rest of this. As for what about his personality made it impossible for him to connect with women, watch some of his videos in which he complains about girls not liking him. He's creepy and angry and extremely socially awkward, yet also grandiose and narcissistic. Or read his manifesto. He was seriously screwed up. He also never, ever approached any women, or got involved in any activities that would allow him to meet women. The way he tried to meet women was to put on expensive designer clothes and then go for a walk around campus hoping that some woman would come up and talk to him. He ultimately alienated all of small number of his male friends as well because he either got furious at them if they ever got girlfriends or, if they didn't, he would start telling them about how much he wanted to kill happy couples. |
2014-05-26T03:22:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/comment-page-2/#comment-494283 |
Ronnie, pretty much nothing you said bears any resemblance to anything I argued in my post. | 2014-05-26T00:04:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-8/#comment-494110 |
I'm about to sit down and read the manifesto. I have to say, though that the excerpts of it I've seen look an awful lot like stuff I see in the manosphere every day. | 2014-05-25T02:43:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-493225 |
Thanks, paradoxy! Oy, that Steve Sailer thing.Elliot Rodger was actually a pretty straightforward old-fashioned racist. You know, the kind that hates people who AREN'T white.He targeted white girls because he idolized them. (Well, while at the same time hating them. You know how misogynists are.) |
2014-05-25T02:41:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-493223 |
Oh, and welcome back, cliff! conGRADulations. | 2014-05-24T23:43:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/video-allegedly-from-mass-killer-in-santa-barbara-if-i-cant-have-you-girls-ill-destroy-you-trigger-warning/comment-page-5/#comment-493074 |
Ken L, let's not have a debate about mental illness in this thread. racnad, you're not allowed in this thread. I'm putting you on moderation. |
2014-05-24T23:41:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/video-allegedly-from-mass-killer-in-santa-barbara-if-i-cant-have-you-girls-ill-destroy-you-trigger-warning/comment-page-5/#comment-493071 |
Ok, so I tried to figure out where that lizard thing came from, and apparently it's a term that Moma likes to use on the Roosh forums and it confuses the regulars there too. I found a thread on the subject that was utterly unilluminating until Moma showed up to explain that
I like lizards. So it's a term of endearment. And not all women are nice. So it's important not to cupcake the entire movement.http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-6688-post-94863.html#pid94863 So now I'm wondering what "cupcake" means as a verb. |
2014-05-24T23:35:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-493060 |
Hellkell when tuthmosis refers to his enemies, he means the guys at PUAhate, who claim to have exposed his real identity. white knight, I forgot about the PUA subs on youtube. I'll add that to the post. |
2014-05-24T23:24:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-493046 |
Note to Johnny: This thread is not the place for the debate you want to have; I may do a separate post dealing with that issue later. I can let through your comment with that portion of it removed, if that's ok with you. | 2014-05-24T12:46:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/video-allegedly-from-mass-killer-in-santa-barbara-if-i-cant-have-you-girls-ill-destroy-you-trigger-warning/comment-page-1/#comment-492552 |
I'm making this an official NO TROLLS thread. I'll delete any offending comments as soon as I see them; feel free to contact me about them as well. | 2014-05-24T12:15:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/video-allegedly-from-mass-killer-in-santa-barbara-if-i-cant-have-you-girls-ill-destroy-you-trigger-warning/comment-page-1/#comment-492512 |
It is important to be respectful when getting an answer that is not the one we’d like to hear. I understand that those lack maturity may not react well, but I don’t think that’s a valid to treat someone disrespectfully when they have not treated you disrespectfully.Here's the thing, dude: many men who behave respectfully when asking a woman out still become angry and disrespectful if they are rejected. GO READ CREEPYPMS to see this pattern repeated over and over and over again. Guy asks woman out. She says no. He calls her a bitch or worse, says she's fat and ugly, etc etc etc. So women reflexively "let guys down easy." So that he won't be mad. Or so that they won't be there when he gets mad. Since guys don't get asked out on dates as often as women they don't do this as often as women. But they do basically the same thing AFTER dates when they don't want to see the woman again. Actually, in some ways it's worse: they say, "yeah, let's do this again" or "I'll call you" when they have no intention of ever speaking to her again. (Women do this too.) People come to realize that people saying these sorts of things don't always mean them. It's not the end of the world. People use little white lies in social interaction all the time. They do it because generally this makes things more pleasant, definitely for themselves, but often for the person they're talking to as well. It's certainly more pleasant than people being brutally honest and blunt. "Sorry, I'm busy" or "I have a boyfriend" is a lot easier to hear than, "no," or "no I don't want to go out with you because you seem like an insecure weirdo." |
2014-05-23T19:51:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/check-out-my-interview-on-the-dreaded-friend-zone-on-amanda-marcottes-reality-check-podcast/comment-page-3/#comment-491962 |
“Women” do not label men as creeps because they’re not attracted to them. Some women who are jerks might. But creepiness is refusing to leave someone alone – and yeah, someone you find attractive you might not want to leave you alone. Surprise!Case in point: James Franco, who is considered super-duper attractive by literally millions of women, recently got called out as a creep when he behaved in a creepy way towards a too-young fan, who was herself creeped out by his behavior, even though she was a fan of his and presumably found him attractive. |
2014-05-23T18:53:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/check-out-my-interview-on-the-dreaded-friend-zone-on-amanda-marcottes-reality-check-podcast/comment-page-3/#comment-491870 |
Yeah, Kate is that Kate, Mark Minter's beloved. They do that blog together. I probably should give it a good skim and write something about it. Kate, so did you and Mark actually get married? |
2014-05-23T18:39:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/23/free-northerner-the-concept-of-marital-rape-creates-the-trauma-of-marital-rape-and-spouses-who-say-no-to-sex-are-sinners/comment-page-2/#comment-491841 |
LBT, sorry you've got a new creeper! racnad, if you are genuinely looking for advice on how to do better with women, guess, what? You're actually getting lots of very good advice and information from this thread. Or you would be if you actually listened to some of what people here are saying to you. |
2014-05-23T18:23:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/check-out-my-interview-on-the-dreaded-friend-zone-on-amanda-marcottes-reality-check-podcast/comment-page-3/#comment-491811 |
You are both correct. Rea and Confused were the sock accounts. | 2014-05-23T18:05:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/22/red-pill-dude-i-dont-hate-women-i-just-think-theyre-vindictive-hurtful-hateful-solipsitic-child-stealing-sociopaths-who-deserve-no-respect/comment-page-5/#comment-491778 |
Racnad, go read CreepyPMs for numerous examples of men reacting badly to rejection. http://www.reddit.com/r/creepyPMs/ I've heard the same from countless women. If there is a study out there I can find I'll post a link. |
2014-05-23T17:57:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/check-out-my-interview-on-the-dreaded-friend-zone-on-amanda-marcottes-reality-check-podcast/comment-page-3/#comment-491761 |
Retha is banned for sockpuppeting. (The sock accounts are also banned.) Retha, if you would like a fuller explanation, email me. |
2014-05-23T16:54:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/22/red-pill-dude-i-dont-hate-women-i-just-think-theyre-vindictive-hurtful-hateful-solipsitic-child-stealing-sociopaths-who-deserve-no-respect/comment-page-5/#comment-491661 |
Marie, yeah I was hoping to do a lighter post today, then I ran across this asshole and felt obligated to write about it. | 2014-05-23T11:53:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/23/free-northerner-the-concept-of-marital-rape-creates-the-trauma-of-marital-rape-and-spouses-who-say-no-to-sex-are-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-491394 |
Andrew, he was one of the ones who jumped on me yesterday when the AVFMers were arguing with me, so either he's anAVFM fan or a fan of JudgyBitch. He's also, despite defending FN here, an atheist activist. | 2014-05-23T11:52:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/23/free-northerner-the-concept-of-marital-rape-creates-the-trauma-of-marital-rape-and-spouses-who-say-no-to-sex-are-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-491393 |
I still haven't completely caught up on this thread, but thanks for the well-wishes; I'm fine, I just get pissed off by their blatant malicious lying sometimes.leftwingfox, I do know about that site, but there's no point in giving itany more attention thanit's got. Any non-MRA who reads what that guy has written about me and/or looks around at that site will see that he's a creepy asshole who's basing his accusations on nothing. | 2014-05-22T19:12:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/22/red-pill-dude-i-dont-hate-women-i-just-think-theyre-vindictive-hurtful-hateful-solipsitic-child-stealing-sociopaths-who-deserve-no-respect/comment-page-2/#comment-490857 |
Oy, that twitter thing. I was basically arguing with 3 of them at once,and twitter conversations tend to be a bit bizarrely chaotic. They were all spouting some bizarre nonsense. Esmay's go to move is to accuse the people he's arguing with of being child abusers (because feminists) and with me he always throws in stuff about the vast $ I'm taking in from the feminist overladies. I'm getting off the internet for a few hours. |
2014-05-22T11:44:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/22/red-pill-dude-i-dont-hate-women-i-just-think-theyre-vindictive-hurtful-hateful-solipsitic-child-stealing-sociopaths-who-deserve-no-respect/comment-page-1/#comment-490573 |
Huh. The KKK did originally use a dragon as their symbol. It;s got wings, but it's not the same shape as whatever it is in the pic I used. http://www.kkklan.com/memora5.gif |
2014-05-22T04:39:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/21/the-battle-against-feminism-is-most-definitely-a-white-rights-issue-reddit-douchebag-explains/comment-page-2/#comment-490452 |
I'm pretty sure the gals in the picture are KK Klanners, though I'm not 100% sure,because their outfits are different than the KKK outfits I'm familiar with. Though I did find the pic being used to illustrate something on the KKK on an ohio state university "ehistory" page, which makes me think it is real. In any case, this was the funniest picture of women (probably) in the KKK I found. | 2014-05-22T04:26:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/21/the-battle-against-feminism-is-most-definitely-a-white-rights-issue-reddit-douchebag-explains/comment-page-2/#comment-490447 |
Bon O Bolishus, what an utterly predictable reaction to me posting a picture of the Militant Baker to illustrate this post. Yes, there are countless conventionally hot women with tattoos I could have used for this post, but the whole point of the post is that women and women's bodies are not public property; they aren't required to please your particular boner, or anyone's boner, for that matter. So I chose a woman who poses in sexy pictures because she enjoys it even though she knows that there are men out there whose boners aren't pleased when she poses, and that some assholes get mad and have misogynstic rage fits every time she poses. Thing is, Bon, she's not required to please you. If you don't like her you can move on. |
2014-05-21T14:14:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/20/tattooed-hate-girls-are-tattoos-on-women-an-attempt-to-repel-men-one-misogynist-says-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-489998 |
And in any case, the thought catalog piece wasn't "satire," it was raising an issue (I think misleadingly, but that's what it was doing). | 2014-05-21T03:52:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-3/#comment-489791 |
Not GWW, I'm pretty sure. But when I read that piece, I knew that a lot of MRAs were going to take it seriously (and they did), so I treated the argument seriously. |
2014-05-21T03:50:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-3/#comment-489789 |
AVFM's hosting of the video could be reported to the FBI: https://tips.fbi.gov/ | 2014-05-19T23:48:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/she-deserved-the-ass-kicking-of-a-lifetime-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-justifies-violence-against-women-in-a-disturbing-short-story/comment-page-2/#comment-489096 |
Ninjaed by Ken's comment. | 2014-05-19T23:46:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/she-deserved-the-ass-kicking-of-a-lifetime-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-justifies-violence-against-women-in-a-disturbing-short-story/comment-page-2/#comment-489095 |
Marie, I understand, I just think the problem may have partially been ignorance and/or miscommunication? I don't think a lot of guys get how creepy things like the earbud thing are until they've heard it directly from women. That said, Ken, I think you need to listen more when women tell you these things. People here jumped on your comments not to be mean, but because your comments genuinely troubled them, and because they've heard similar things many times before from people who are dismissive of women's experiences. |
2014-05-19T23:45:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/she-deserved-the-ass-kicking-of-a-lifetime-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-justifies-violence-against-women-in-a-disturbing-short-story/comment-page-2/#comment-489094 |
Ken wasn't trolling. He's not an MRA. He said something that was problematic, but I don't think he should be defined forever by that. | 2014-05-19T23:23:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/she-deserved-the-ass-kicking-of-a-lifetime-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-justifies-violence-against-women-in-a-disturbing-short-story/comment-page-2/#comment-489085 |
I know a woman who was surprised that her husband wanted a divorce. But she didn't punch the dude. | 2014-05-19T21:37:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/she-deserved-the-ass-kicking-of-a-lifetime-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-justifies-violence-against-women-in-a-disturbing-short-story/comment-page-2/#comment-489031 |
Appalling that AVFM would put that video up. That boy has already been traumatized.There is no reason to inflict additional damage on him by posting the video, which as Esmay notes has been rapidly taken down on various sites quickly after it's been posted, and (as he doesn't note) for good reason. The only reason they're posting it is so they can circlejerk about the evil of women. Dudes, we know that women sexually abuse children. As do men. Child sexual abuse is an enormous problem. We don't need to put videos of actual abuse online in order to let people know that it happens. That doesn't help the victims; it's a betrayal of them. |
2014-05-19T21:31:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/she-deserved-the-ass-kicking-of-a-lifetime-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-justifies-violence-against-women-in-a-disturbing-short-story/comment-page-2/#comment-489029 |
Ally, so shitty you had to go through that. So glad you're away from that asshole. Katz, but I think Elam's point is that these women deserve not just a slap or even a broken nose but "the ass-kicking of a lifetime." As in his "bash a violent bitch" post, he's reveling in the idea not just of "justifiable" violence but of "justifiable" extreme violence. |
2014-05-19T15:56:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/19/she-deserved-the-ass-kicking-of-a-lifetime-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-justifies-violence-against-women-in-a-disturbing-short-story/comment-page-1/#comment-488866 |
Probably not, but it depends on the specifics. As I said in the piece, if the genders are reversed in this scenario it isn't rape: if she called you up to invite you over, initiated everything while you did nothing etc etc, no it's not rape. If she "tries to have sex with you" but is so drunk she passes out and you go ahead and have sex with her while she's asleep, that would be rape. (Note that Schumer didn't do anything to him when he was asleep.) Drunk sex is not inherently rape. Nor can consent be revoked after sex is over. (It can of course be revoked DURING sex.) |
2014-05-19T02:23:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-3/#comment-488576 |
Well, here's a disturbing piece from the SPLC on the number of racist murders committed by Stormfronters: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/white-homicide-worldwide | 2014-05-18T14:23:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/18/reddit-or-stormfront-the-hip-new-game-thats-sweeping-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-488229 |
Bee, check your email! | 2014-05-18T12:02:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/18/reddit-or-stormfront-the-hip-new-game-thats-sweeping-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-488158 |
I've done a couple of dozen, and I'm just barely over 50%. I can't play for too long at any one time because it's so hard, and I can't figure out any simple rules for distinguishing the quotes, despite having spent way too much of my life reading terrible Reddit comments. | 2014-05-18T11:57:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/18/reddit-or-stormfront-the-hip-new-game-thats-sweeping-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-488155 |
Emma, thanks for the links. | 2014-05-17T16:35:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/17/breaking-women-using-earbuds-to-commit-grave-misandries-upon-innocent-men/comment-page-2/#comment-487698 |
Ken, if someone violates your personal space to the degreee of literally ripping your earbuds out in order to talk to you, I suppose there's a theoretical possibility that there's some innocent explanation of why they somehow don't understand that this is not ok, but there's also a chance that they're a very dangerous person who could do you some harm. In that situation, it's entirely reasonable for the person being harassed to take steps to ensure their own safety before they do anything else. How they are supposed to "check" if the person is actually innocent and safe and just confused before doing this I don't know. If someone pulled a knife out on public transportation I would do what I had to do to keep myself safe; I wouldn't check first to see if this was a person who for some reason thought it was ok to whittle on the bus. |
2014-05-17T16:30:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/17/breaking-women-using-earbuds-to-commit-grave-misandries-upon-innocent-men/comment-page-2/#comment-487697 |
No, I was never in the priesthood. He's suggesting I was a child-molesting priest but now I can't get laid. Hilarious! Or maybe not so much. | 2014-05-17T13:16:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/17/when-anonymous-threats-are-not-so-anonymous/comment-page-1/#comment-487576 |
Emma, if any of them were in the area I would. I did report Karma.mra.mgtow to Skype, FWIW. | 2014-05-17T12:16:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/17/when-anonymous-threats-are-not-so-anonymous/comment-page-1/#comment-487533 |
Hmm. It's been awhile since I saw The Company of Men. It just seemed to me that he reveled in the characters' misogyny a bit too much. Maybe I should rewatch it. But it was just so unpleasant. | 2014-05-17T11:03:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/17/when-anonymous-threats-are-not-so-anonymous/comment-page-1/#comment-487493 |
On his blog, jake claims to have gotten threatening emails about his post. I know none of the regular commenters here would do that, but if he did actually get some, and if any lurkers here sent any of those, DO NOT DO THAT. Do not sink to their level. | 2014-05-17T06:37:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/13/expat-pua-blogger-24-is-super-crazy-crazy-old-for-a-girl-17-19-past-that-if-were-going-to-get-all-about-babies-is-pretty-sketchy/comment-page-6/#comment-487353 |
Sid, when all the commenters on a blog, and the blog owner, tell you repeatedly to not behave in a creepy manner towards individual commenters on the blog, you should probably listen to them. Banned. | 2014-05-17T06:29:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/30/girlwriteswhats-delusional-defenses-of-mgtow-misogyny-also-mary-daly-and-why-the-moon-is-not-a-potato/comment-page-10/#comment-487348 |
I think the most amazing thing about the Man Candles is that people are actually willing to pay nearly $30 for a candle. | 2014-05-16T19:56:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/16/in-mra-land-women-have-never-been-oppressed-but-men-have-been-disenfranchised-by-having-power-over-them/comment-page-1/#comment-487136 |
Your saying that men are not human beings.citation needed except that you're not going to be able to provide one, since no one here is saying that. |
2014-05-16T18:32:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/08/i-love-women-enough-to-treat-them-like-dirt-former-beta-male-proclaims/comment-page-3/#comment-487051 |
WEIRD WORDPRESS GLITCH NOTE: Possibly because there's so much posting in this thread, the spam filter has gone rogue, as it does from time to time (it's separate from the moderation filter, which I controil; I have no control over the spam filter), and it's been eating the comments of a couple of regular commenters. So if your comments aren't going through, that's why. I've pulled them out of the spam filter and approved them, which may fix the problem. If not, let me know. |
2014-05-16T18:20:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/30/girlwriteswhats-delusional-defenses-of-mgtow-misogyny-also-mary-daly-and-why-the-moon-is-not-a-potato/comment-page-9/#comment-487037 |
Insidious sid, try using those filters of yours in this discussion. | 2014-05-16T18:17:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/30/girlwriteswhats-delusional-defenses-of-mgtow-misogyny-also-mary-daly-and-why-the-moon-is-not-a-potato/comment-page-9/#comment-487030 |
Sid, if you're going to be creepy, don't direct your creepiness at individual people here. | 2014-05-16T17:30:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/30/girlwriteswhats-delusional-defenses-of-mgtow-misogyny-also-mary-daly-and-why-the-moon-is-not-a-potato/comment-page-8/#comment-486960 |
My post today will be on Vox Day and his terrible thoughts on marital rape. | 2014-05-15T08:13:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/14/would-you-kill-a-pony-for-me-and-other-real-dating-questions-asked-by-an-imaginary-swedish-girl/comment-page-2/#comment-486012 |
Walter, if you're talking about yourself, and you really are feeling that desperate, I would suggest, in all seriousness, that you talk to a therapist, or your doctor. As someone who has struggled with depression for decades, I know how it can distort thinking and make everything appear hopeless. I have no idea if that's your issue, but I think it could help you immensely to talk to a professional who might be able to get you some real help with whatever it is that is troubling you. It doesn't sound like spending time on dating sites is helping. | 2014-05-14T22:55:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/14/would-you-kill-a-pony-for-me-and-other-real-dating-questions-asked-by-an-imaginary-swedish-girl/comment-page-1/#comment-485767 |
Another thought: What makes the pony guy's messages creepy is that either he's willing to do ANYTHING for sex, including murdering someone's pet, which makes him a deeply shitty person. Or (much more likely) that he's paying no attention to what she's saying and just going along with whatever she's saying so that he can get with her. Guys who resolutely ignore whatever a woman is saying and just plow ahead regardless are not good guys to date.(If would be the same regardless of gender.) If he's willing to blithely promise to do "anything" for a woman without meaning it, and simply repeats this promise no matter what she wants him to promise, what are the chances that he is going to respect her "no" if she doesn't want to have sex with him? |
2014-05-14T22:38:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/14/would-you-kill-a-pony-for-me-and-other-real-dating-questions-asked-by-an-imaginary-swedish-girl/comment-page-1/#comment-485752 |
At least this crazy Swedish girl is replying to them. Beggars can’t be choosers.If the guys aren't getting responses, the solution isn't to promise a woman to kill her sister's pony because, hey, this woman is responding. Normally, if a potential date asks you to kill someone's pet, this would be regarded as something of a "red flag." Someone who asked you to do that, and actually meant it, would be a really dangerous person to date. If the guys aren't getting responses, they might want to actually read the profiles of the women they're messaging rather than, say, telling every woman with a "hot" profile pic that she's beautiful and that they'd do anything for her. The "beautiful" part of the message is shallow and generic -- if you look elsewhere on tghat blog you'd see that she got tons of messages saying just that -- and the "I'd do anything for you" is fucking creepy. Why would you tell a person you don't know you'd do anything for them? How hard is it to treat the women on dating sites as actual individual people? That's how to get responses. Not by spamming all the "hot" girls and getting bitter when they don't reply. Or going along with whatever they say on the off chance that they do. |
2014-05-14T22:28:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/14/would-you-kill-a-pony-for-me-and-other-real-dating-questions-asked-by-an-imaginary-swedish-girl/comment-page-1/#comment-485745 |
Dvärghundspossen, thanks for pointing me to it! I meant to go back and check who had posted the link and give credit. | 2014-05-14T11:19:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/14/would-you-kill-a-pony-for-me-and-other-real-dating-questions-asked-by-an-imaginary-swedish-girl/comment-page-1/#comment-485465 |
I forgot about OKC Ebooks! Jeez, guys on dating sites are so excited to get any sort of answer that they'll accept complete gibberish. I love how the guys featured there can interpret pretty much anything as some wierd sort of flirtation. | 2014-05-14T11:17:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/14/would-you-kill-a-pony-for-me-and-other-real-dating-questions-asked-by-an-imaginary-swedish-girl/comment-page-1/#comment-485464 |
Nuclear Z, I'm not letting through your comments. You're making the same point over and over again, and it all seems to be a way of justifying ephibophilia "mathmatically" and I think we're all pretty much sick of it. | 2014-05-14T08:58:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/13/expat-pua-blogger-24-is-super-crazy-crazy-old-for-a-girl-17-19-past-that-if-were-going-to-get-all-about-babies-is-pretty-sketchy/comment-page-5/#comment-485394 |
Yikes! I know a woman who got an IUD and basically had their periods replaced by intermittent bleeding virtually every day of the month. But nothing like that. |
2014-05-14T08:11:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/12/chewing-on-gristle-at-chateau-heartiste/comment-page-3/#comment-485372 |
Also a friend pointed out to me that the boy in the picture is wearing spats, which seems highly impractical for farm work. | 2014-05-14T06:41:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/13/expat-pua-blogger-24-is-super-crazy-crazy-old-for-a-girl-17-19-past-that-if-were-going-to-get-all-about-babies-is-pretty-sketchy/comment-page-5/#comment-485348 |
I'm not sure why I let through those last couple of comments by Nuclear Z. Dude, we understand your creepy argument. Now move on. Zolnier, it's from the cover of a comic book version of HG Wells' Food of the Gods, which apparently features giant chickens. There are also movie posters with giant chickens. https://www.google.com/search?q=hg+wells+food+of+the+gods+chicken&num=100&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=wrt&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=K1VzU-GOHoSnyATKxILICA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1453&bih=592&dpr=0.9#imgdii=_ |
2014-05-14T06:38:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/13/expat-pua-blogger-24-is-super-crazy-crazy-old-for-a-girl-17-19-past-that-if-were-going-to-get-all-about-babies-is-pretty-sketchy/comment-page-5/#comment-485347 |
Also, on the slippery slope thing, the laws making American citizens legally culpable for sexually exploiting minors in other countries have been in effect for a long time, and they haven't actually slippery sloped us to the point where we in the US are extraditing people for crimes we don't think are crimes. | 2014-05-13T17:44:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/13/expat-pua-blogger-24-is-super-crazy-crazy-old-for-a-girl-17-19-past-that-if-were-going-to-get-all-about-babies-is-pretty-sketchy/comment-page-2/#comment-484801 |
I didn't say that Zed's views were commonplace. But he has been a prominent figure in the development of MGTOW and he is looked up to as an icon by many prominent MRAs, including Elam. The fact that you don't know who he is doesn't mean a great deal. It's certainly worth pointing out that someone who has been so influential amongst MRAs, particularly older MRAS, has reprehensible views. MGTOWforums was shut down by the guy running it, and the people who posted there started their own site elsewhere. So the fact that the thread doesn't exist there doesn't mean anything. Just Google him if you want to see evidence of his influence. https://www.google.com/search?q=zed+mgtow&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb https://www.google.com/search?q=zed+%22zen+priest%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb https://www.google.com/search?q=zed+%22zen+priest%22+mgtow&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb |
2014-05-13T17:08:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/29/mra-icon-zed-let-little-girls-drown-because-theyll-probably-grow-up-to-be-terrible-women/comment-page-6/#comment-484776 |
Yeah, I think he's using "sublimation" correctly. But aside from the fact that this statement is nonsense, it's just a teensy bit awkward to follow a reference to "sublimation of their souls" with a reference to "gristle." | 2014-05-13T00:08:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/12/chewing-on-gristle-at-chateau-heartiste/comment-page-1/#comment-484395 |
just catching up on the topic. Thanks for the suggestions, everyone!
I love that Grimes song, and that video; I think it would probably require a whole masters thesis to figure out all the gender stuff going on there.
As for this:
but isn’t art and culture meant to unite people instead as being used to drive wedges between them?Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it's designed to unite SOME people and alienate others. Art is too complicated to be reducted to utiliatarian purposes, or judged by how well it achieves some non-artistic goal. Many of the best artists spend zero time thinking or worrying about how people will react to their art. A lot of art that goes out of its way to appeal to lots of people and "unite" them is TERRIBLE. But beyond that, there is nothing about Meredith Monk's music that is designed to alienate men or MRAs in particular. But she's the sort of challenging female artist that tends to get shit on by misogynists not because her art is misandrist (it isn't) but because they are misogynists. If a black musician were to play at a KKK rally they'd get booed, not because their music is bad but because KKKers are racist. The people doing the dividing here are the bigots unwilling to accept women (or black people, or whoever) as legitimate artists. That said, in the future I will feature musicians who are more challenging ideologically to MRAs. Sorry, but I have no interest in "uniting" with them. The world is a vast place, and there are a lot of people out there who aren't misogynistic assholes, and I'm more interested in hanging out with them, both literally and figuratively. |
2014-05-12T23:04:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/10/music-to-annoy-mras-with-part-1-meredith-monk/comment-page-2/#comment-484368 |
Scott, oops, forgot to put a link in the post. It's on his other blog, Alpha Game. http://www.donotlink.com/h-j |
2014-05-12T19:15:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/11/vox-day-honor-mothers-yes-theyre-women-but-without-them-the-western-sub-species-of-man-would-go-extinct/comment-page-2/#comment-484275 |
Yeah, that’s like asking, “What if you Dad used a condom?” or “What if your mom used the pill?”.Or "what if your parents were into anal?" Or "what if your dad had masturbated into a sock?" |
2014-05-11T20:40:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/11/vox-day-honor-mothers-yes-theyre-women-but-without-them-the-western-sub-species-of-man-would-go-extinct/comment-page-1/#comment-483843 |
I understand about the long exposures. The thing I don't understand is why it would be a bad thing to have a picture with the mother simply holding the child, without a cloth over her head. It's not like in any of the "hidden mother" pictures I've seen you can't tell there's a person there. | 2014-05-11T20:01:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/11/vox-day-honor-mothers-yes-theyre-women-but-without-them-the-western-sub-species-of-man-would-go-extinct/comment-page-1/#comment-483823 |
OT, but has anyone had trouble logging in to comment? Someone posted this message on twitter:
When trying to comment, I get redirected to wordpress, and from there to manboobz/wp-login.php , not the new domain |
2014-05-11T05:09:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/10/music-to-annoy-mras-with-part-1-meredith-monk/comment-page-2/#comment-483596 |
GNL, why would I think Meredith Monk would annoy MRAs? Because so many MRAs seem to think that there have never been any significant female composers? Because MRAs hate Yoko Ono, another female musician known for using her voice in unusual and sometimes jarring ways? (She'll be the topic of a future post.) That sort of thing. | 2014-05-11T01:32:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/10/music-to-annoy-mras-with-part-1-meredith-monk/comment-page-1/#comment-483525 |
Cinzia, ha! I was literally JUST looking for a good live version of "Why d'ya do it" to use in a future post. Great minds, etc. | 2014-05-10T18:52:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/10/music-to-annoy-mras-with-part-1-meredith-monk/comment-page-1/#comment-483355 |
Thanks, girlscientist, and everyone else. Ally, glad your stepfather apologized and you're doing better. And thanks for the links. I was actually able to find a pdf of the one I quoted (one of my quotes is from the paper itself) b/c Google scholar now seems to link to publicly available pdfs (if available) when it lists papers behind a pay wall. I'm pretty sure this is new or newish. Very useful. |
2014-05-10T04:58:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/09/w-f-price-of-the-spearhead-accuses-me-of-supporting-violence-against-women-by-opposing-violence-against-women/comment-page-2/#comment-483123 |
Ally, so sorry you've got to deal with this shit. Didn't you just plant a zillion trees for that asshole? | 2014-05-09T18:38:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/09/w-f-price-of-the-spearhead-accuses-me-of-supporting-violence-against-women-by-opposing-violence-against-women/comment-page-1/#comment-482820 |
MEZ is done here. The violent comment directed at freemage was the final straw. Is is really that hard to make a point without resorting to violently threatening language directed at an individual? Apparently it is. Go derail discussions somewhere else. | 2014-05-09T17:38:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/06/domestic-violence-expert-lundy-bancroft-mens-rights-philosophies-make-angry-and-controlling-men-even-worse/comment-page-9/#comment-482779 |
Sometimes I do. Random Poster is skating near the edge. | 2014-05-08T02:15:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/05/mens-rights-redditor-when-stepfathers-abuse-children-its-not-about-men-being-violent-its-an-adaption-to-maximise-genetic-transfer-to-the-next-generation/comment-page-3/#comment-481411 |
My post got linked in http://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/ ... which is supposed to be a neutral place for feminists and MRAs to debate but which is of course completely overrun with MRAs and filled with weird rules that reflect MRA assumptions. Needless to say the discussion is quite shitty; I wandered in and argued a bit with a couple of people indignant at any suggestion that Amy Schumer is anything but a rapist or attempted rapist. |
2014-05-07T23:54:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-481347 |
Nuclear Z, I'm not letting that rape comment through; dial down the creepy or I won't let any of them through. | 2014-05-07T21:06:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/05/mens-rights-redditor-when-stepfathers-abuse-children-its-not-about-men-being-violent-its-an-adaption-to-maximise-genetic-transfer-to-the-next-generation/comment-page-3/#comment-481228 |
also, Fibinachi, thanks for the link! | 2014-05-07T18:45:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/05/mens-rights-redditor-when-stepfathers-abuse-children-its-not-about-men-being-violent-its-an-adaption-to-maximise-genetic-transfer-to-the-next-generation/comment-page-3/#comment-481075 |
Huh. I read a chunk of Pinker's book some time ago, and found it wildly speculative and unconvincing. It's not just that he's a non=historian trying to write history, he really doesn't seem to know how history is done. | 2014-05-07T18:44:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/05/mens-rights-redditor-when-stepfathers-abuse-children-its-not-about-men-being-violent-its-an-adaption-to-maximise-genetic-transfer-to-the-next-generation/comment-page-3/#comment-481074 |
Nuclear Zimmerframe, if someone combines a half-baked biological "explanation" with remarks suggesting that the mother "causes" the abuse and that "it's not about male violence" then, well, they really are offering a justification/excuse or at the very least absolving men of much if not all of the responsibility. | 2014-05-07T17:47:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/05/mens-rights-redditor-when-stepfathers-abuse-children-its-not-about-men-being-violent-its-an-adaption-to-maximise-genetic-transfer-to-the-next-generation/comment-page-2/#comment-481025 |
FWIW, Schumer doesn't say that she was raped, and though he doesn't seem terribly interested in getting consent in advance for anything he does -- ie, he starts off by simply pushing her down on the bed -- she doesn't indicate anywhere that she wasn't consenting. That said, the parts about her lying there staring at the posters on her wall and trying to dissociate are troubling, to say the least. | 2014-05-07T17:35:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-481012 |
Ally, I agree, I was sortof joking and mainly just meant they weren't perfect examples because MRAs haven't disassociated themselves from these guys, while feminists have from Hugo. | 2014-05-07T17:10:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/06/domestic-violence-expert-lundy-bancroft-mens-rights-philosophies-make-angry-and-controlling-men-even-worse/comment-page-3/#comment-480991 |
I'm not quite sure that either Elam or Thomas Ball is completely equivalent to Hugo S. Manipulative narcissists? Check. But after all, once feminists figured out what a shit Hugo was, they tossed him out of the clubhouse. Elam still has lots of supporters, whom he's still happily exploiting, and Ball is still treated as a martyr, despite his history as an abuser and that whole terrorist manifesto thing, Maybe Peter Andrew Nolan? Though MRAs are still happy to use the doxxing info on his website to harass women. |
2014-05-07T16:27:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/06/domestic-violence-expert-lundy-bancroft-mens-rights-philosophies-make-angry-and-controlling-men-even-worse/comment-page-3/#comment-480962 |
thefreeair, thanks for your comment. I removed the name of the pamphlet because it could be used to identify your stepdad and (though I believe your story) I don't feel comfortable with that, as I haven't verified the info, I don't know you, etc. | 2014-05-06T19:54:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/06/domestic-violence-expert-lundy-bancroft-mens-rights-philosophies-make-angry-and-controlling-men-even-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-480353 |
Hmm. I think I slightly overcooked the word "traditionalist" in my last comment. | 2014-05-06T19:35:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/06/domestic-violence-expert-lundy-bancroft-mens-rights-philosophies-make-angry-and-controlling-men-even-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-480343 |
GNL, he is speaking *specifically* about the men's rights movement; the websites, etc that he's talking about encourage attitudes in *men* that can encourage abuse. There is no "gender neutral" way to look at it because it isn't a gender neutral phenomenon. Feminist sites don't devote all their energy to demonizing men, nor is there a "matriarchal" movement comparable to the "patriarchal" movements you can find on the tradiditionalist right. | 2014-05-06T18:57:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/06/domestic-violence-expert-lundy-bancroft-mens-rights-philosophies-make-angry-and-controlling-men-even-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-480327 |
I'm not going to be writing about him here. | 2014-05-06T06:56:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/faq/comment-page-6/#comment-479939 |
I know someone who wrote gay porn for little porno mags, and the sex had to happen by the top of page 2 of the manuscript. | 2014-05-05T18:22:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/04/no-one-wants-to-plant-his-seed-in-a-garbage-dump-mgtowers-explain-why-they-prefer-chaste-women/comment-page-4/#comment-479542 |
Xen, well, there are animals that steal food from other animals, but when I take one lousy Lamb Kebab entree all of a sudden people are all "you're under arrest" and "you're banned from this restaurant." I mean, if some hypothetical person were to do that. |
2014-05-05T18:18:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/05/mens-rights-redditor-when-stepfathers-abuse-children-its-not-about-men-being-violent-its-an-adaption-to-maximise-genetic-transfer-to-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-479538 |
Cloudiah, my extensive research on females has produced a good deal of data consistent with your findings. Also, females love to sit in boxes. And poop in them, although happily these tend to be different boxes. 50% of females enjoy licking beards. 100% love canned food. They are only intermittent television watchers, and are less interested in shows than in objects on the screen with clearly defined edges. So if you're out there, TV producers, you need to start making shows featuring a lot more objects with clearly defined edges! The females of America demand it! |
2014-05-05T17:32:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/04/no-one-wants-to-plant-his-seed-in-a-garbage-dump-mgtowers-explain-why-they-prefer-chaste-women/comment-page-4/#comment-479511 |
RP, well, if you saw it on Cheaters, it must be true for all women. This should be a new internet rule, or something: if you mention something you saw on Cheaters you automatically win the argument. |
2014-05-05T14:31:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/04/no-one-wants-to-plant-his-seed-in-a-garbage-dump-mgtowers-explain-why-they-prefer-chaste-women/comment-page-3/#comment-479397 |
There are all sorts of issues with the kink community, but one thing it's done right (or at least the safe, sane and consensual types have done right) is to emphasize the importance of getting clear consent for whatever you're doing, and to generally encourage clear communication about sexual desires and sexual limits. I think that aspect of kink is something that non-kinky people could learn from. | 2014-05-03T18:58:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/01/warren-farrell-on-date-rape-defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-5/#comment-478258 |
He's a doctor of political science, FWIW. Really, if you're not a medical doctor, it's kind of silly to go around calling yourself doctor. | 2014-04-30T13:23:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/30/warren-farrell-men-are-oppressed-by-womens-butts/comment-page-1/#comment-476620 |
Well, Farrell is a Doctor, as he loves to remind people, so he must know all about brains. | 2014-04-30T12:37:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/30/warren-farrell-men-are-oppressed-by-womens-butts/comment-page-1/#comment-476586 |
Anarchonist, if this were Amazon,com, I would "like" your review. It really is kind of amazing. It's the kidn of book you read and you say to yourself, unable to quite believe it, this was actually published by a major publisher? Editors read through this crap and said, yep, this meets our standards! What the hell. Anyway, I waded back into the reddit thread. Jesus. So many guys who really don't want to accept that women can say no, and that they have to accept that as an answer. |
2014-04-30T03:09:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/warren-farrell-is-doing-an-ask-me-anything-on-reddit-today-some-suggested-questions-for-him/comment-page-2/#comment-476292 |
Oy oy oy oy oy. There is so much wrongness in that thread. I don't even know where to start, and my brain is already fried from trying to argue with redditors who are unwilling to accept the basic premise that no means no. I think I'll save it for my next post. Or three. Seriously, I'm going to need more than one post for all of this. The HYPNOBUTT is just the beginning. |
2014-04-29T18:11:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/warren-farrell-is-doing-an-ask-me-anything-on-reddit-today-some-suggested-questions-for-him/comment-page-1/#comment-476009 |
CLOUDIAH WE ARE HYPNOTIZED BY ASS PRETTY PRETTY LADY ASS DO NOT OPPRESS US WITH YOUR ASSES LADIES WE WILL BE FORCED TO EARN MORE THAN YOU |
2014-04-29T15:32:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/warren-farrell-is-doing-an-ask-me-anything-on-reddit-today-some-suggested-questions-for-him/comment-page-1/#comment-475886 |
He still seems to be answering questions. Alas, I have to go offline. Ah well, I'll check back later. |
2014-04-29T15:28:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/warren-farrell-is-doing-an-ask-me-anything-on-reddit-today-some-suggested-questions-for-him/comment-page-1/#comment-475881 |
He answered the date rape one ... crappily. And the one about dat ass! Samantha, it's on Reddit, just follow the link; it's all written comments, |
2014-04-29T15:26:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/warren-farrell-is-doing-an-ask-me-anything-on-reddit-today-some-suggested-questions-for-him/comment-page-1/#comment-475878 |
Someone got a screenshot of it! http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2l8wwmd&s=8#.U1_w71cVdu8 The AVFMers are out in force! As are the r/mr-ers Full on comment war! TyphonBlue is now ahead of desmay in the inadvertently hilarious comment race! So far none of our questions have been answered! |
2014-04-29T13:48:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/warren-farrell-is-doing-an-ask-me-anything-on-reddit-today-some-suggested-questions-for-him/comment-page-1/#comment-475797 |
It was "desmay" asking Farrell to rebut criticisms of AVFM as a hate site. | 2014-04-29T12:52:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/warren-farrell-is-doing-an-ask-me-anything-on-reddit-today-some-suggested-questions-for-him/comment-page-1/#comment-475766 |
Well,it's started: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24accd/hi_im_warren_farrell_author_of_the_myth_of_male/ I asked the incest question. Go over and ask some questions! See if he answers any of them. |
2014-04-29T12:05:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/29/warren-farrell-is-doing-an-ask-me-anything-on-reddit-today-some-suggested-questions-for-him/comment-page-1/#comment-475735 |
I couldn't bring myself to do more than quickly skim that Pierce Harlan piece, the title of which really does break the irony meter, since they're the ones using the lynching meme, and appropriating actual pictures of black men who've been lynched to make their ridiculous arguments. | 2014-04-28T21:53:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/28/mens-rights-redditors-agree-men-are-the-new-nggers/comment-page-1/#comment-475235 |
Would Misternazis be ok? | 2014-04-28T11:44:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/28/mens-rights-redditors-agree-men-are-the-new-nggers/comment-page-1/#comment-474789 |
Ally, glad to hear the good news about the floods! Speaking of dangerous weather, lots of tornadoes in the central US today. (Though Joplin wasn't hit this time.) Do we have any Mammothers (what's the new term?) in Arkansas or Oklahoma? Hope everyone's ok. |
2014-04-28T00:01:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/11/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-april-2014-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-474448 |
HE IS ALWAYS THERE IN HIS TEMPLE! | 2014-04-27T20:08:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-20/#comment-474261 |
Sometimes I just have to let the spam through. | 2014-04-27T20:08:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-20/#comment-474260 |
I definitely need to do more on Farrell. I have Myth of Male Power marked up from start to finish. This will no doubt include at least one more post on his shitty footnotes. Fibinachi, I'd be interested in seeing any more notes you have on this. |
2014-04-27T18:09:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/27/upvote-downvote-mens-rights-redditors-on-the-evils-of-pssy-privilege-and-women-being-encouraged-to-go-into-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-474192 |
Ally, so sorry you have to deal with the threat of floods again! But you're tough. You got through them last time and I know you can get through whatever happens this time. Hopefully this will turn out to be a false alarm. My thoughts are with you. | 2014-04-26T19:57:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/11/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-april-2014-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-473735 |
Oh, another Heartiste tweet. Before he decided that Bundy was too "soft" on Mexicans, he made this tweet, which seems to be a reference to the fact that the Gawker reporter who wrote about Bundy's press conference is ... Jewish. https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/459348856132866048 So I guess writing about Bundy's racism was a Jewish plot, at least until Heartiste decided that Bundy wasn't enough of a racist towards Mexicans. So is it not a Jewish plot any more? Maybe Gawker's Adam Weinstein is secretly Mexican? Racist conspiracy theories can be so very confusing. |
2014-04-26T19:44:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/26/new-manosphere-theory-cliven-bundy-is-being-attacked-because-he-talks-too-much-like-a-black-person/comment-page-1/#comment-473731 |
Oops! I forgot to check Heartiste's twitter feed. Turns out he did have things to say about Bundy. After first sort of supporting him, he decided that Bundy was ... "soft" on Mexicans, retweeting a link from racist site Vdare arguing that, and amplifying wiith these tweets of his own: https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/459745483439616000 https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/459751703508570112 So, to whoever is doing the rankings, Heartiste is officially more racist than Cliven Bundy. Good to know. |
2014-04-26T19:09:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/26/new-manosphere-theory-cliven-bundy-is-being-attacked-because-he-talks-too-much-like-a-black-person/comment-page-1/#comment-473715 |
Viscaria, those quotes are from DruidV, but yeah. emilygoddess and Shaneon, I agree completelyI wish I'd written some of that in my post! |
2014-04-26T18:50:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/26/new-manosphere-theory-cliven-bundy-is-being-attacked-because-he-talks-too-much-like-a-black-person/comment-page-1/#comment-473706 |
And here's the classic Justin Bieber slowed-down 800% (and pitch shifted) video. Don't worry; it's all ambient and pretty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bidHnEekXpE |
2014-04-26T01:21:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/25/off-topic-i-cant-stop-listening-to-dolly-partons-jolene-at-33-rpm/comment-page-1/#comment-473156 |
That pizza is going to be TERRIBLE. | 2014-04-26T01:14:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/25/off-topic-i-cant-stop-listening-to-dolly-partons-jolene-at-33-rpm/comment-page-1/#comment-473151 |
Here's another famous song slowed down. This one turns out a bit creepy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b6tem5CXgU |
2014-04-26T00:53:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/25/off-topic-i-cant-stop-listening-to-dolly-partons-jolene-at-33-rpm/comment-page-1/#comment-473143 |
Dolly's own explanation of the song is that she wrote it after meeting a very pretty girl named Jolene who wanted an autograph. Dolly liked the name, and told the girl she was going to write a song about her, I guess as an adult. But that doesn't really explain anything about where the story in the song came from. |
2014-04-25T12:42:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/25/off-topic-i-cant-stop-listening-to-dolly-partons-jolene-at-33-rpm/comment-page-1/#comment-472695 |
Anand, I've written more than 800 posts about MRAs. All of them have been based on actual things written and said by MRAs, some prominent in the Men's Rights movement (Warren Farrell, Paul Elam, etc), others not so prominent but fairly representative of MRAs; I've done another 600 or so posts on other sorts of online misogynists. I actually know a lot more about MRAs than most MRAs do, and so do many of the commenters here. I suggest you check out the archives here before assuming we don't know what we're talking about. | 2014-04-25T08:39:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/22/yo-dudes-alpha-males-are-a-myth-according-to-actual-experts-on-wolves/comment-page-9/#comment-472512 |
Vox isn't an MRA; that's a label people affix to themselves, and AFAIK he hasn't done that. That said, he is part of the PUA scene and the broader "manosphere" and shares many common assumptions with MRAs. | 2014-04-25T00:00:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/24/hugo-nominated-vox-day-even-worse-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-472186 |
And regardless of who did what percentage of the hunting, back in the days of the mammoth, human beings were hunters and collectors, and the food that was collected actually made up the bulk of their diet. Women weren't sitting around while men did all the work. | 2014-04-24T23:20:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/23/ta-da-man-boobz-is-now-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-2/#comment-472162 |
Ah, buzzgums is indeed the sockpuppet of a troll who was previously banned for being a transphobic asshole, back with a new IP. So goodbye buzzgums. | 2014-04-24T22:19:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/24/hugo-nominated-vox-day-even-worse-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-472122 |
One thing to keep in mind here is that you don't need many votes to get nominated for a Hugo. You can get nominated with as few as several dozen votes. So the fact that he got nominated isn't an indication that there's some giant upsurge of support for him. | 2014-04-24T21:31:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/24/hugo-nominated-vox-day-even-worse-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-472087 |
Buzzgums, he urged people to vote for him; other people can urge people to vote for "No Award." | 2014-04-24T21:24:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/24/hugo-nominated-vox-day-even-worse-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-472083 |
Samantha, you have to be a "supporting or attending members of the annual World Science Fiction Convention" to vote. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_awards |
2014-04-24T21:07:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/24/hugo-nominated-vox-day-even-worse-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-472065 |
That’s how you incite violence.The giant IRONY here is that the post they link to points to another post of mine in which I cite numerous commenters in r/mensrights for EXPLICITLY ADVOCATING VIOLENCE AND GETTING TONS OF UPVOTES FOR IT. I have screenshots. And I also show that the mods there are unwilling to ban a certain notorious commenter there who's known for repeatedly advocating violence against judges. But apparently me pointing this out ... incites violence. |
2014-04-24T20:58:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/23/ta-da-man-boobz-is-now-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-2/#comment-472058 |
Yeah, the spam filter, which I don't have any control over (unlike the moderation filter, which I do), sometimes grabs people's comments for no apparent reason. If this happens to you, you should email me, because I never check the spam filter (99.99% of the stuff that gets caught there is real spam) and I can approve your comments like I did with LBT's |
2014-04-24T18:57:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/23/ta-da-man-boobz-is-now-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-2/#comment-471984 |
Oh, also, everyone should read that comment I just approved from AAAAA, who evidently is attempting some kind of sooper sofistikated psy-op operation on all of us. | 2014-04-24T18:41:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/23/ta-da-man-boobz-is-now-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-2/#comment-471977 |
WHTM makes sense to me as a shorthand. I actually looked into grabbing WHTM.com as a secondary URL, but it already belongs to a TV station. | 2014-04-24T18:38:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/23/ta-da-man-boobz-is-now-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-2/#comment-471975 |
Yeah, I should have changed the name a long time ago. Brittersweet, I'm going to try to figure out another way to feature that graphic prominently now that it's not in the banner any more. |
2014-04-24T03:27:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/23/ta-da-man-boobz-is-now-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-1/#comment-471523 |
Jean Valjean, all I've seen posted online have been a couple of out of context quotes. I had hoped to be able to find more context in the agent orange files but despite going through them I found nothing because they aren't organized. I've gone through them again since writing this and again most of the comments I saw seemed utterly random and fairly innocuous. I couldn't even find the genocide quotes themselves, much less any context for them. So: show me those quotes IN CONTEXT so that I can evaluate them. If they're in the agent orange files you should be able to pluck them out and post them or email them to me. Or link me to a source online that provides context for them. When I quote people I provide some context for the quotes and I link to the source so that people can see the full context. I have seen MRAs radically distort the meanings of things feminists have said through selective quotation or by not providing context, so forgive me if I don't trust you guys to get it right. But if you can send me to the source I can see for myself. |
2014-04-23T22:34:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/agentorange-and-the-screencaps-of-feminazi-doom/comment-page-10/#comment-471391 |
I look forward to buying the new t-shirts. Does this mean my old ones are now collectible?I'm going to say ... yes? I mean, the old ones are still for sale, but who knows, maybe I'll take them all down tomorrow, and then your old ones will be worth millions! DISCLAIMER: THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS FINANCIAL ADVICE. ALSO YOU'LL NOTICE I DID NOT SAY WHAT THEY WOULD BE WORTH MILLIONS OF, SO FOR ALL YOU KNOW I COULD HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO AIR MOLECULES. OK i KNOW THAT AIR MOLECULES DON'T TECHNICALLY EXIST AS A CATEGORY OF MOLECULES BECAUSE AIR IS MADE UP OF LOTS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF MOLECULES BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT. |
2014-04-23T21:11:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/23/ta-da-man-boobz-is-now-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-1/#comment-471335 |
kitteh, no problem, it was a completely innocent cat joke on your part! It's just that some people have a vested interest in misreading stuff here. | 2014-04-23T19:49:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/22/how-melody-hensley-is-putting-the-bullies-to-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-471309 |
Buttercup, thanks. I've been looking for more information on that! | 2014-04-23T19:39:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/23/ta-da-man-boobz-is-now-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-1/#comment-471307 |
Thanks, everyone! R. Tod Kelly, because they interest me more, both as a social movement (albeit not the biggest one in the world) and as a sort of case study in the history of bad ideas.There is a value in studying things that aren't necessarily the most important things in the world, especially when there are lots of other people already writing about the old misogynists with power in the real world. Honestly, the reason I started this blog is because I ran across MRAs online and thought it was sort of amazing that they even existed. I kept finding myself arguing with them, and so started the blog, and as I learned more about them I got more interested by their worldview, so utterly at odds with my own (and to a large degree with reality). And there weren't many people writing about them at the time. Also, even if they aren't the most powerful force in the world, these guys do have some social influence on the internet. And when they turn to "activism" they can do real harm. |
2014-04-23T19:37:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/23/ta-da-man-boobz-is-now-we-hunted-the-mammoth/comment-page-1/#comment-471305 |
kitteh, I removed your comment for a completely paranoid reason. I did get the joke, but some people might misinterpret it. | 2014-04-23T07:48:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/22/how-melody-hensley-is-putting-the-bullies-to-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-470986 |
Buttercup, I don't know why you're so cynical. I have had great success with the ladies by emulating cats. Yesterday I spotted a very cute HB8 and immediately went and sat in a box. Long story short, I'm pretty sure I'll be pooping in her litterbox by the weekend. | 2014-04-23T07:24:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/22/how-melody-hensley-is-putting-the-bullies-to-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-470981 |
Jodie, welcome! These guys are tough to deal with because so many of them think and act like abusers. I get much less harassment than a woman writing this blog would get because, hey, they hate women and I'm not one. But reading this stuff all the time can wear a person down (and youtube videos wear me down about ten times faster). But the thing to keep in mind is that these are just a small percentage of men out there. Men's Rights Melbourne seems to be just one guy. And I think the average guy who started reading through that website would conclude fairly quickly that this was a "movement" he wanted no part of. I mean, that piece about the "cold dead eyes" of feminists? What the hell. He, er, borrowed the first half from another site, but on top of the ridiculousness of the concept the examples he added of feminists with "dark" eyes .., didn't all have dark eyes. LINDY WEST HAS LIGHT BLUE EUES. And so does at least one of the others. I mean, not that it matters, because having dark eyes is clearly not a sign that one is in league with the devil, but still. |
2014-04-23T07:20:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/22/how-melody-hensley-is-putting-the-bullies-to-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-470974 |
Rose, welcome, and thanks for sharing your story. AIT, sure, if you're willing to transcribe videos that would be great! Maybe send a link to me beforehand so I can see if it's something I think would work for a post; I wouldn't want you transcribing something I wasn't going to end up writing about. Thanks! Everyone: I added some links to the end of the post to some Freethought blog posts on all this that are worth checking out. |
2014-04-22T16:29:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/22/how-melody-hensley-is-putting-the-bullies-to-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-470479 |
I know I should cover Thunderfoot, but honestly I can't stand listening to MRA and MRA-adjacent videos; it's the same reason I don't cover GirlWritesWhat more. Reading these people is irritating enough, but listening to them is so much worse; it just amplifies their unwarranted smugness. It feels like I've been cornered by the most obnoxious person at a party and they'e determined to deliver a ten minute speech to me. I rarely make it more than 30 seconds into any of their videos. | 2014-04-22T15:47:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/22/how-melody-hensley-is-putting-the-bullies-to-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-470444 |
His financial provider? No. I cna't remember what Elam's girlfriend's name is, but it's definitely not McCarley. | 2014-04-22T04:31:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/21/mras-post-secret-recording-of-non-secret-event-confuse-feminism-with-the-complete-opposite-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-469952 |
Well, here's an interesting development: On Twitter, AVFM "assistant managing editor" Suzanne McCarley seems to suggest that Attila Vinczer's argument that he had to post the audio because the public "has the right to know" is pure bullshit: AVFM, according to her, posted the audio simply because it was forbidden to post the audio. Here's her tweet: https://twitter.com/SuzyMcCarley/status/458474521729585152 So is she trying to make excuses for AVFM not knowing that the audio of Jaclyn Friedman's talk was already online, or is this the truth? Funny thing is, either way, the folks at AVFM look like asses. |
2014-04-22T01:07:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/21/mras-post-secret-recording-of-non-secret-event-confuse-feminism-with-the-complete-opposite-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-469849 |
Kitteh, it was .com, but it's definitely Melbourne Australia. This is the Google+ page it linked to: https://plus.google.com/u/0/108311057391455475290/about | 2014-04-22T00:05:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/19/6-memes-from-a-voice-for-men-and-what-they-really-mean/comment-page-4/#comment-469831 |
Thanks, Autie Alias for the info; I updated the post. And thanks Alice for that explanation! |
2014-04-21T22:55:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/21/mras-post-secret-recording-of-non-secret-event-confuse-feminism-with-the-complete-opposite-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-469798 |
CORRECTION: I posted a comment earlier saying that antifeminist Janice Fiamengo had been shouted down at Queens University, but she wasn't; she delivered her talk. She was however shouted down at the U of Ottawa. |
2014-04-21T22:04:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/21/mras-post-secret-recording-of-non-secret-event-confuse-feminism-with-the-complete-opposite-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-469766 |
Another angry troll, using slurs, and posting from Melbourne. Could it be our friend from Men's Rights Melbourne again? | 2014-04-21T21:17:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/12/a-voice-for-men-boldly-opposes-respect-for-women/comment-page-7/#comment-469721 |
I was just indicating that he was mailing from the site's official email account. | 2014-04-21T20:43:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/19/6-memes-from-a-voice-for-men-and-what-they-really-mean/comment-page-4/#comment-469698 |
Actually, the video on Reddit was of a previous event at the U of Ottawa in which feminist protesters drowned out an antifeminist speaker (Janice Fiamengo) with chants. Which I think is a TERRIBLE approach for feminists to take. It's unprincipled -- wrong -- and it also makes feminists look like assholes. Becuase some of them are behaving like assholes. If someone terrible comes to campus to speak, point out why they're terrible; don't shout them down. Be that as it may: What happened is that the video was posted to r/videos, along with video of feminists protesting Warren Farrell (at the university of toronto), and a bunch of dudes there got mad at feminists. Someone posted a link to r/amr, and it was flooded by downvoters and dudes posting angry tirades filled with assorted slurs, etc. The mods couldn't keep up with all this and so decided, I think reasonably, to close the subreddit to the public until the whole thing died down. r/videos is kind of a cesspool, evidently. EDIT: I originally said in this comment that Janice Fiamengo had been shouted down at Queens University, but she wasn't; she delivered her talk. She was however shouted down at the U of Ottawa. |
2014-04-21T20:39:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/21/mras-post-secret-recording-of-non-secret-event-confuse-feminism-with-the-complete-opposite-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-469692 |
Thanks, everyone! Yeah, the url will change, to WeHuntedTheMammoth.com. But the old manboobz.com urls should still all work as well. (I know the new one is a bit longer, but I wasn't able to find a shorter one that made sense and that was still available. Most people come here from links or bookmarks, so they won't be typing it in all the time.) |
2014-04-21T20:26:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/21/we-hunted-the-mammoth-banner-contest-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-469676 |
Interestingly, I got a very similar email, about ten minutes before this was posted, from the admin at mensrightsmelbourne.com. I am guessing that the emailer and the commenter are one and the same. |
2014-04-21T20:20:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/19/6-memes-from-a-voice-for-men-and-what-they-really-mean/comment-page-4/#comment-469671 |
Well, to clarify, that's not the exact same photo, but a pic of the same protester at the same protest. Some of the other signs are in different positions. But yeah, Andrea Dworkin didn't actually go around carrying a sign that said "Penis's Crash God Laughs." | 2014-04-20T23:21:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/20/8-mens-rights-memes-from-a-voice-for-men-that-make-no-damn-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-468809 |
Here's the original pic that they (or whoever) photoshopped: http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/927/shirleyphelpsroper42436.jpg Was this the WBC picketing some 9/11 thing? They really are (were?) terrible people. |
2014-04-20T23:17:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/20/8-mens-rights-memes-from-a-voice-for-men-that-make-no-damn-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-468804 |
Octo, Ally meant that people here don't criticize atheists for being atheists (many people here *are* atheists) but we criticize those particular atheists who are "being jerks who want to portray all religion as monolithic." And we criticize particular atheists who are sexist assholes. Particularly those who devote a lot of their energy to attacking women who are also atheists/skeptics. |
2014-04-19T20:02:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/19/6-memes-from-a-voice-for-men-and-what-they-really-mean/comment-page-2/#comment-467797 |
Fibinachi, yeah, I meant to post something before, but your original comment wasn't in moderation or the spam folder; it got eaten. | 2014-04-19T12:53:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/19/6-memes-from-a-voice-for-men-and-what-they-really-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-467309 |
RDRACR, I'm not even going to touch the rest of what you wrote, but you do realize that when women give birth entire human beings pass through their vaginas? (Well, most of the time; I was a Caesarean.) And yet their vaginas recover from this. So unless your girlfriend is regularly having sex with dudes whose penises are literally the size of babies I think you are perhaps worrying a bit too much about the possibility of "gaping." Maybe lay off the porn for a little while, or find a different genre of porn to watch. | 2014-04-19T06:05:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/29/the-cold-hard-truth-about-loose-vaginas/comment-page-3/#comment-466958 |
Buttercup, that's pretty hilarious! On the tagline. Hmm. I'll think about "exposing the new misogyny," but I think I'll stick with the tracked and mocked line for now. And I promise I will give an explanation for why I'm calling it the new misogyny, and why i'm focusing on that rather than the old, meaning cultural conservatives and religious fundamentalists and all that (not that I won't write about them when appropriate). |
2014-04-17T16:06:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/16/banner-contest-update-now-with-cash-prize/comment-page-1/#comment-465698 |
rjjspesh, given that Schlafly has been single for the last 20 years, you'd think she'd understand that. | 2014-04-16T20:40:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/16/phyllis-schlafly-channels-the-manosphere-with-a-column-about-female-hypergamy/comment-page-1/#comment-464988 |
Katz, I got the non-shaded version again. | 2014-04-16T20:23:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/16/banner-contest-update-now-with-cash-prize/comment-page-1/#comment-464969 |
Katz, I like it, especially the mammoth! I'm flexible on the black and white thing; it should just work with the blog design I've got now, which is basically black and white with some red. |
2014-04-16T19:23:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/16/banner-contest-update-now-with-cash-prize/comment-page-1/#comment-464917 |
Thanks, Supernova! | 2014-04-15T21:33:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/13/name-change-bannerlogo-contest/comment-page-2/#comment-464300 |
cassandrakitty, the other funny thing about the Enya video is that he admits he's sort of an Enya fan himself. | 2014-04-15T17:33:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/15/actual-video-footage-of-man-going-his-own-way/comment-page-1/#comment-464157 |
To be fair, Vention1MGTOW also grows tasty tomatoes. He has a video of himself wandering around his garden eating various berries and a tomato and acting very smug about it all. | 2014-04-15T17:10:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/15/actual-video-footage-of-man-going-his-own-way/comment-page-1/#comment-464143 |
kittehserf, I sort of think the name is long enough as it is. I'll provide an explanation in the FAQ and possibly in the sidebar so the meaning of the phrase is made clear to everyone. But that gives me an idea for a url. ... |
2014-04-14T21:10:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/13/name-change-bannerlogo-contest/comment-page-2/#comment-463499 |
maggiesausage, so sorry for your loss. My condolences, virtual hugs if you want them. That last bit applies to anyone here who needs them. A lot of people here going through some rough shit at the moment. |
2014-04-14T19:17:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/11/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-april-2014-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-463439 |
rtk pointed out in a comment above that unkleman sort of meant his statement sarcastically; I added some stuff to the post to clarify. | 2014-04-14T18:32:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/14/its-get-on-your-knees-and-thank-a-white-man-day-in-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-463414 |
Oops. All the standard variations on TheMammoth (.com, .net, .org) have been taken. So has whtm.com. | 2014-04-14T18:09:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/13/name-change-bannerlogo-contest/comment-page-2/#comment-463396 |
Oh, and obviously I'll contribute to the commission fund too! | 2014-04-14T17:55:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/13/name-change-bannerlogo-contest/comment-page-2/#comment-463385 |
leocigale, I love it! I really appreciate the suggestion of a fund for a commission, and the fact that some people have pledged actual $ for it. I put this forward as a contest with no cash reward because I'm broke and because there are so many people here who are really talented artists who enjoy doing manboobz-related art already. But if there are people who want to contribute to a prize, I would be more than glad to set up a prize fund. The easiest way to do this would be for people to donate to Manboobz using the regular donation button, but specifying that the money should go to the prize. (You can send along comments when you donate.) I could make the process transparent by noting the donations publicly -- though without referencing anyone's name. Everyone donating could include some unique word or phrase in the comments on Paypal when they donate, and I could reference this instead of their name. If anyone else has another idea of how to do this, let me know. I'm definitely going with We Hunted The Mammoth. I agree that the url is a little cumbersome. If anyone has any good ideas on good ways to shorten it, let me know and I'll see if those URLs are available. I can have multiple urls pointing to the site. Maybe TheMammoth.net? (TheMammoth.com is taken, though no one is using it.) As for the tagline, my inclination right now is to go with: The New Misogyny, tracked and mocked. Yes, most of the ideas of the misogynists we talk about here are pretty old. But this online backlash is something new, and it's these guys (MRAs, PUAs, manospherians) that we focus on here, rather than on more old-fashioned sorts of misogynists (religious fundamentalists and other traditionalists, say). I'll write up an explanation of the term when I announce the name change officially. The "tracked" part is because this blog isn't completely about mocking; it's also about keeping track of these guys, in the way that, say Right Wing Watch keeps track of right wingers. |
2014-04-14T17:54:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/13/name-change-bannerlogo-contest/comment-page-2/#comment-463384 |
On the dog thing, in one of her Reddit AMAs she admitted that she had no proof it was feminists, and also that the dog didn't die.
My dog was shot on Christmas Eve on my property when I was doing some of my work and it was a terrible sight, he didn't die fortunately but it was terrible with his bleeding and screaming in pain. I don't know if it was feminists or not, but in any case my books were heavily censored and in the specific case of "Prone to Violence" the feminists in particular tried to censor it and they often made efforts to steal it from the book shops so people couldn't buy it.http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1cbrbs/hi_im_erin_pizzey_ask_me_anything/c9f25vy But the way she's written about it it's easy to see why people have gotten the impression that "feminists killed her dog." Here's the relevant quote from a piece of hers that led Fox news and Wikipedia to conclude erroneously that the dog was killed: Although I was invited to lecture, every time I did the gender feminists were waiting to invade my workshops and to heckle my speeches. The threats and the persecution began again. Finally, one of my dogs was shot on Christmas day on my property, and I knew the time had come to leave.http://www.fathersforlife.org/pizzey/failfamt.htm It's certainly possible she got threats, but, yeah, I'm pretty sure there's no proof of any of this outside of her own writings, and I don't think she's got a lot of credibility on any topic. |
2014-04-14T00:50:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/28/the-feminist-hegemony-will-destroy-your-hard-drive-and-other-things-i-learned-from-erin-pizzeys-return-visit-to-reddit/comment-page-6/#comment-462965 |
Hmm. The New Misogyny, tracked and mocked. Misogyny, tracked and mocked. |
2014-04-13T19:53:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/13/name-change-bannerlogo-contest/comment-page-1/#comment-462824 |
Ally, that's another reason I want to get rid of the old name. Obviously, it's not intended as a transmisogynist joke, but the fact that it could be read as one is a problem. | 2014-04-13T19:43:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/13/name-change-bannerlogo-contest/comment-page-1/#comment-462818 |
Also, all the old content (and the comments) will remain. In fact, all old links to manboobz.com and various pages on it should still work. | 2014-04-13T16:14:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/13/name-change-bannerlogo-contest/comment-page-1/#comment-462720 |
Hmm. I will definitely reconsider the tagline. I'm not sure that the old one (or "misogyny, we mock it") quite works with the new name (because the "I" or "we" in the tagline would refer to someone/someones different than the "we" in the title). But I'll try to figure out a way to get mockery back in there. Suggestions? Tracking and mocking the new misogyny? Mocking the new misogyny? |
2014-04-13T16:10:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/13/name-change-bannerlogo-contest/comment-page-1/#comment-462719 |
Yikes! A parade of creeps. So sorry for everyone dealing with creeps and jerkbrain. Angelica, that's awful. I don't know what to say, except that you shouldn't feel guilty or ashamed about how you handled it. None of it is your fault. Do you have someone you can talk to about this? Ally, what the hell is wrong with people? Really glad you don't have a stalker, but that dude who "pranked' you is fucked up, and your brother is being an asshole about it. You're certianly justified in being pissed off at him. |
2014-04-12T20:55:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/11/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-april-2014-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-462271 |
Just Sayin, actually those are ellipses I added because I removed words that didn't make sense when I quoted that passage without also quoting the previous paragraph. | 2014-04-12T20:33:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/12/new-mens-rights-issue-women-attacking-men-while-giving-birth/comment-page-1/#comment-462258 |
Jaye, maybe open the pic in another window and enlarge it? They're very faint. I blame misandry. | 2014-04-12T18:27:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/12/new-mens-rights-issue-women-attacking-men-while-giving-birth/comment-page-1/#comment-462202 |
nellodee, it's going to be on next week's show, I think. Katz, I just skimmed that, but my basic reaction is: wat? That AVFM "meme" is pretty special. |
2014-04-12T01:52:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/10/amy-schumer-takes-on-nice-guys-with-hello-mlady/comment-page-1/#comment-461921 |
Hey everyone. I've opened up a new open thread here. | 2014-04-11T23:57:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/01/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-march-2014-flying-cat-edition/comment-page-8/#comment-461880 |
Ready or not, they aren't supposed to be PUAs. they're "Nice Guys." I've written a lot about the "Nice Guy" phenomenon: http://manboobz.com/?s=nice+guy |
2014-04-10T18:12:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/10/amy-schumer-takes-on-nice-guys-with-hello-mlady/comment-page-1/#comment-460976 |
Note to person trying to post as "[name of manosphere guy] is a [name of something bad]" I can't let through any of your comments until you change your name. Right now all your comments are going into the trash. |
2014-04-10T17:56:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/09/harassment-as-activism-mens-rights-redditors-gleefully-dox-a-college-student-face-no-repercussions/comment-page-3/#comment-460975 |
(They don't even have to be that prominent.) | 2014-04-10T04:10:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/09/harassment-as-activism-mens-rights-redditors-gleefully-dox-a-college-student-face-no-repercussions/comment-page-2/#comment-460640 |
mmn101, I have a better challenge. Why don't you go through the 804 posts I've done about MRAs already and find me 804 examples of feminists behaving worse? I'm already giving you a big leg up here, as many of my posts quote multiple examples from multiple MRAs. I mean, seriously, dude, you come to a blog that is literally filled to overflowing with examples of shitty MRA shit, and I'm supposed to come up with more examples for you? Read what's here. If you don't want to do that, why don't you come up with 804 examples of MRAs actually doing decent things to help men in the world? Or 804 MRAs who aren't shitheads. Heck. 84 MRAs who aren't shitheads. Or, I dunno, 8 prominent MRAs who aren't shitheads. I'l go down to 8. Can you do that? |
2014-04-10T04:09:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/09/harassment-as-activism-mens-rights-redditors-gleefully-dox-a-college-student-face-no-repercussions/comment-page-2/#comment-460638 |
Also, the doxxed student wasn't even the source of the "white men are gum" and Jared Leto tweets; she retweeted them from other people, according to the person who knows her who posted the original post to r/amr. (Her twitter account is protected.) I found the original source of the gum tweet, actually, but I'm not going to post it lest MRAs decide to dox that woman too. | 2014-04-10T03:01:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/09/harassment-as-activism-mens-rights-redditors-gleefully-dox-a-college-student-face-no-repercussions/comment-page-2/#comment-460583 |
mmn101, the MRM has basically tried *nothing* so far. One guy -- one guy -- started a DV shelter in his home -- and got next to no support from MRAs until after he killed himself. That's pretty much it, as far as I can see. And instead of being inspired to actually do shit, MRAs are like, well, he tried and it didn't work so we better not ever try ever again, feminists are mean, why don't they do our work for us. The civil rights movement fought against police with water hoses and KKK terrorists and changed the fucking country. The only thing the MRM is any good at is harassing women. |
2014-04-10T02:46:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/09/harassment-as-activism-mens-rights-redditors-gleefully-dox-a-college-student-face-no-repercussions/comment-page-2/#comment-460579 |
mmn101, are you really unable to imagine any kind of "activism" other than harassment and/or complaining about women/feminists online? MRAs could: work with organizations trying to fight prison rape or start their own; they could start and fund and staff hotlines/shelters for men who are victims of rape or domestic violence; they could do any of a million things that are actually productive. There weren't any domestic violence shelters for women until feminists built them. There weren't LBGT centers and AIDS charities until LGBT people built them. If the MRM were actually interested in helping men, MRAs would be out there building their own insititutions to serve the needs of men who are suffering. |
2014-04-10T00:54:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/09/harassment-as-activism-mens-rights-redditors-gleefully-dox-a-college-student-face-no-repercussions/comment-page-1/#comment-460505 |
Emily, yow! That's awful! Hopefully it won't scar, unless it turns out to be a really cool one. Ally, what you're dealing with is really shitty. Your step-dad is being an abusive asshole. (And why the fuck would he have assumed you would assume that there was a difference between the shower water and the tub water. In my tub they come out of the same fucking pipe.) Hugs for everyone, if they're wanted. |
2014-04-09T22:55:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/01/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-march-2014-flying-cat-edition/comment-page-8/#comment-460430 |
BUT the flip side is that the more they do this shit, and the more they get exposed for doing this shit, the more people are likely to discount what they say, and the less of an effect it will have on the targeted people. | 2014-04-09T20:16:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/09/harassment-as-activism-mens-rights-redditors-gleefully-dox-a-college-student-face-no-repercussions/comment-page-1/#comment-460335 |
I just let through a comment from Alice that you should all read. Also, adding to what Cinzia said, when people complain about the doxxing, or even object to lies about them being spread, this only serves to embolden the MRAs. It's blood in the water to them. If someone demands that a libelous MRA video be taken down, 20 other MRAs put it on their own Youtube channels. This is the only kind of "Activism" they's any good at. The only silver lining is that most of the time they move on. |
2014-04-09T20:14:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/09/harassment-as-activism-mens-rights-redditors-gleefully-dox-a-college-student-face-no-repercussions/comment-page-1/#comment-460334 |
are femminists really so self obsessed that they think anyone would even want to rape them?And Simon is now banned. |
2014-04-09T20:04:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/04/i-will-be-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-on-monday-on-the-mythology-of-the-friend-zone/comment-page-6/#comment-460317 |
(Well, maybe chaos is too strong a word. Event has wrapped up.) | 2014-04-08T20:35:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/08/mens-rights-poetry-corner-feminists-killed-kurt-cobain/comment-page-1/#comment-459745 |
Looks like the panel discussion at Jaclyn's event is descending into chaos with AVFMers grilling her about Adele Mercier and trying to derail the discussion: https://twitter.com/search?q=%20%23QUfeminism&src=typd&f=realtime |
2014-04-08T20:28:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/08/mens-rights-poetry-corner-feminists-killed-kurt-cobain/comment-page-1/#comment-459738 |
In other news, AVFMers have shown up to protest a Jaclyn Friedman even at Queens University because their new Public Enemy #1 Adele Mercier was originally going to be a part of it. Here's the event page: https://www.facebook.com/events/265748670263117/ and the counterprotest page: https://www.facebook.com/events/593558754074306/?context=create&ref_dashboard_filter=upcoming&source=49 |
2014-04-08T18:36:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/08/mens-rights-poetry-corner-feminists-killed-kurt-cobain/comment-page-1/#comment-459660 |
weirwoodtreehugger, I think the argument of the poem, insofar as there is one, is that feminism made him hate himself. But the only "evidence" of this provided is Kurt "screaming" and sometimes wearing a dress. | 2014-04-08T18:30:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/08/mens-rights-poetry-corner-feminists-killed-kurt-cobain/comment-page-1/#comment-459653 |
Thanks, everyone! I'm back from the talk. It went well, decent crowd (50 or so, room was full), good discussion. No protesters. It wasn't taped, but I may end up doing a video version if I can figure out how to turn my powerpoint powerpoint presentation -- I used a lot of internet memes to illustrate my points -- into a youtube video (which I gather is possible; I know there are some tutorials on youtube). |
2014-04-07T22:06:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/07/reminder-my-friend-zone-talk-at-northwestern-is-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-459026 |
If it's any consolation, titianblue, I quoted you in a draft version of the talk, then took your quote out because even though I liked it the talk was too long. Oh wait, that makes it worse, doesn't it? | 2014-04-07T13:54:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/04/i-will-be-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-on-monday-on-the-mythology-of-the-friend-zone/comment-page-4/#comment-458834 |
Oh, BTW, Ellie isn't Scarecrow. | 2014-04-07T00:08:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/05/james-francos-text-game-was-solid-says-pickup-artist-christian-mcqueen/comment-page-2/#comment-458553 |
Christian, I don't actually read your blog every day. I saw the headline on "the daily manosphere" and thought, "that sounds like the most ridiculous piece of crap I'm likely to read today, I'd better check that out." Otherwise your incisive critique of my post was spot on. |
2014-04-07T00:06:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/05/james-francos-text-game-was-solid-says-pickup-artist-christian-mcqueen/comment-page-2/#comment-458550 |
Ok, I've got something close to a final draft (pending permissions on quotes). Thanks for your permission, Cloudiah; I'm just going to quote your comment on your possible mutual friendzoning in college. Turns out there's a meme for that! https://aljanusi.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/friend-zone-2.jpg The other people I'm hoping to quote are Angela, mythago, and cohenafterworld. I've sent them all emails. There's so much good stuff in this thread I may want to raid it for a future post or two. |
2014-04-06T22:53:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/04/i-will-be-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-on-monday-on-the-mythology-of-the-friend-zone/comment-page-3/#comment-458496 |
Hey, everyone, quick question: Does anyone here mind if I quote you in my talk? I want to work in a few quotes from this discussion, haven't quite decided which yet though. | 2014-04-06T21:15:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/04/i-will-be-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-on-monday-on-the-mythology-of-the-friend-zone/comment-page-3/#comment-458423 |
So "the Friend Zone" -- the term anyway -- may have originated on Friends? Interesting. There are entries for the term from as far back as 2003 on Urban Dictionary, so that makes sense. EIther Friends came up with it or it was something people were starting to talk about around then. | 2014-04-05T01:14:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/04/i-will-be-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-on-monday-on-the-mythology-of-the-friend-zone/comment-page-1/#comment-457457 |
I also love the mister's reaction "oh, he doesn't have anything better to do." Dudes, my last talk at NU drew more people than that MRA rally in Toronto. | 2014-04-04T23:51:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/04/i-will-be-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-on-monday-on-the-mythology-of-the-friend-zone/comment-page-1/#comment-457418 |
Thanks everyone! This is all really, really useful. I've been kind of going through the mythology of the firend zone -- looking at a lot of memes, etc -- and it's really interesting to see the vast difference between the memes and reality. I know that's a bit vague, but I'm still pulling my thoughts together. Cloudiah, I like that the misters managed to link to that WF price piece in which ... he just made up shit about what my talk 2 years ago was about. even after I mentioned in this post that it was full of shit. MRA dudes, I didn't "teach good sex;" I talked about you assholes. |
2014-04-04T23:50:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/04/i-will-be-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-on-monday-on-the-mythology-of-the-friend-zone/comment-page-1/#comment-457417 |
You know, that guy in the cartoon has an unusually long torso and strangely small legs. | 2014-04-04T17:51:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/04/i-will-be-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-on-monday-on-the-mythology-of-the-friend-zone/comment-page-1/#comment-457238 |
Jackson is indeed Ulrich. I let his comments through mainly for their entertainment value. I've already got him on moderation, and he could easily turn that into a ban. | 2014-04-04T17:43:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/28/at-a-voice-for-men-dead-baby-jokes-are-a-form-of-mens-human-rights-activism/comment-page-7/#comment-457236 |
Off topic: Could anyone here who works in a mental health field (in whatever capacity, including adademics) who has the time to answer a quick question or to email me? It's not a personal question, but I'd rather not ask it publicly. | 2014-04-04T01:29:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/03/mgtower-complains-by-18-women-are-either-dating-30-year-old-millionaires-or-if-less-attractive-fing-the-football-team/comment-page-2/#comment-456899 |
Oh, but I forgot, alpha fucks, beta bucks! Though I'm pretty sure she earns her own living. She's definitely more famous than her husband, who's also a writer. |
2014-04-04T00:18:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/03/mgtower-complains-by-18-women-are-either-dating-30-year-old-millionaires-or-if-less-attractive-fing-the-football-team/comment-page-1/#comment-456876 |
All these dudes (MRAs, PUAs, MGTOWers) are fixated on the notion that women in their twenties are all fucking stereotypical jock types. I remember once, shortly after starting this blog when all this was relatively new to me, running across an MRA discussion of one prominent youngish feminist and they were all going on about how she definitely had fucked every athelete at her college or maybe they thought she was fucking them while she was on her book tour or something. I was just baffled. Uh, she's a feminist writer. (And she was actually already married, to someone very decidely non-jocky.) |
2014-04-04T00:14:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/03/mgtower-complains-by-18-women-are-either-dating-30-year-old-millionaires-or-if-less-attractive-fing-the-football-team/comment-page-1/#comment-456875 |
I also deleted the comment and edited out a quotation of it. | 2014-04-03T14:56:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-5/#comment-456595 |
Yumicpcake is banned for that comment. NO VIOLENT THREATS. I'm only sorry I wasn't able to get to it sooner; I've been away from the internet and only just got the email about it. | 2014-04-03T14:55:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-5/#comment-456593 |
shaihalood, I just did a post about that "exterminate women" comment you linked to on Return of Kings. I can give you credit in the post for finding it if you'd like. | 2014-04-02T18:08:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/31/pickup-guru-roosh-v-im-a-clown/comment-page-3/#comment-456084 |
So weirdwood and I were acknowledging that a very patient commenter had in fact posted a response explaining rape culture which we didn't see before suggesting you google it. | 2014-04-02T01:22:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/29/just-two-dudes-talkin-bout-rape-on-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-3/#comment-455786 |
Alex, ninjaed means that someone else's response has slipped in ahead of yours while you were writing a response that says what you said, or that makes what you said seem a bit odd, or whatever. | 2014-04-02T01:20:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/29/just-two-dudes-talkin-bout-rape-on-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-3/#comment-455783 |
Ah, I was ninjaed by Octo going above and beyond the call of duty and actually explaining rape culture. But Alex, the reason people were short with you here is that you showed up announcing your opinon about something you didn't know anything about to a bunch of people who do know a lot about the subject. That's actually rather presumptuous, and a bit rude, and some would say entitled. When you do that, you'll tend to run into two types of people: 1) people who are willing to overlook your entitlement and to actually explain things to you because they actually want people to understand feminism and 2) people who don't have the patience for that. Many in group 2 have spent much previous time being people in group 1. |
2014-04-02T01:17:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/29/just-two-dudes-talkin-bout-rape-on-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-455781 |
Alex, if I went to an astrophysics forum and declared that string theory was stupid because it portrayed all men as strings, I probably wouldn't get a respectful hearing for my views, because they would reflect a complete and probably willful ignorance of the subject. If you want to discuss the idea of rape culture, you have to first learn what that is. And, no, it's not our job to teach you that. There are plenty of websites out there which can help. Start with google, and avoid all men's rights sites, as that's a bit like relying on Stormfront to learn Jewish history. | 2014-04-02T01:07:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/29/just-two-dudes-talkin-bout-rape-on-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-455773 |
Thanks for the support! I think a lot of you explained Man Boobz better than I did. Also, that video with the dogs is amazing. It reminds me of this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoXHVs65NFQ Dogs can do this too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOIn3OB8KXw |
2014-04-01T18:24:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/01/i-created-paul-elam-and-now-i-need-your-help-to-rein-him-in/comment-page-2/#comment-455610 |
That said, I do recognize that I come to this from a position of privilege. Were I a woman writing this blog, it would be more difficult to deal with a lot of the misogynistic shit I wade through to write this blog because it would be so much more personal; I don't have a personal history of slurs being directed at me, of my ideas being rejected because of my gender, of sexual harassment or abuse or assault. Were I a woman writing this blog, I would face even mor harassment than I do from MRAs and the others that I write about. But the feedback I get, overwhelmingly, on a regular basis, is that the approach I take on this blog is appreciated. Not by everyone, obviously, and I can understand your criticism. I try not to be flippant. But Elam isn't only a monster; he's a fool, and deserves to be called out for that as well. |
2014-04-01T14:17:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/01/i-created-paul-elam-and-now-i-need-your-help-to-rein-him-in/comment-page-1/#comment-455476 |
Laudanum, I've devoted much of the last three years of my life to exposing the hatred of Elam and others of his ilk. When possible, I use humor; it's not always possible, because what they say and do is too awful. People (most of them women) write to me every day and tell me that the humor on this blog helps them deal with the misogyny they see online. As do the commenters here. | 2014-04-01T14:11:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/01/i-created-paul-elam-and-now-i-need-your-help-to-rein-him-in/comment-page-1/#comment-455464 |
Forney, as always, is an ass. The one silver lining in his shit-cloud of a post is that it's so obviously a joke that (presumably) no one with any sense at all will believe it. | 2014-04-01T13:17:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/01/i-created-paul-elam-and-now-i-need-your-help-to-rein-him-in/comment-page-1/#comment-455432 |
UPDATE: According to the GPS tracker I secretly installed on "Elam's" moped, he's just outside of Minneapolis, headed north. Obviously he's making a break for Canada. | 2014-04-01T13:14:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/01/i-created-paul-elam-and-now-i-need-your-help-to-rein-him-in/comment-page-1/#comment-455430 |
HTMLGBTGTOW, that quote is from his "Bang Iceland" book. I don't think he's ever put up many exceprts from his books on his blog, so I doubt it was ever up there. | 2014-04-01T03:19:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/31/pickup-guru-roosh-v-im-a-clown/comment-page-2/#comment-455158 |
tealily, and of course Ted Bundy's patented method for luring women into his van was to pretend to be injured -- and thus extra "safe" -- and needing help. | 2014-03-30T21:49:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/30/alpha-playboys-always-ask-for-directions-to-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-454236 |
The last time someone asked me for directions -- well, the last memorable time -- was a couple of months ago, at about 1 AM, when I was coming back from the grocery store, when a guy stopped his car and asked if I knew where there were any video stores open at that hour. I said no. He was like, I mean, *adult* video stores. Again, I said no. (Though later I realized that there were some not that far away that probably were open.) I don't think he was trying to pick me up but it was weird. |
2014-03-30T20:37:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/30/alpha-playboys-always-ask-for-directions-to-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-454182 |
Hellkell, you're not alone. From that first Rassmussen poll I mentioned:
57% of coffee-drinking Americans express an at least somewhat favorable opinion of Dunkin' Donuts, including 20% with a Very Favorable view of the chain. By contrast, just 49% of those who drink coffee regard Starbucks at least somewhat favorably, with 14% who have a Very Favorable opinion. Thirty-four percent (35%) of coffee drinkers hold an unfavorable opinion of Starbucks versus 22% who feel that way about Dunkin' Donuts. Roughly one--in-five aren't sure what they think of either franchise. The views of Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts are nearly the same among all Americans, whether they drink java or not. |
2014-03-30T20:15:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/30/alpha-playboys-always-ask-for-directions-to-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-454164 |
weirwood, there were further insturctions, I just got bored with it. He explained how it was a great "builder" line because ... she would have to give you directions, so you could keep on talking.
Lastly, the reason why this is such a DYNAMITE opener is because EVERY girl knows where a Starbucks is. Period. Guess what this means? This means they will give you Directions to get there. Guess what that means? That means she will talk to you longer explaining HOW to get there. This gives you opportunities to tease her like this: Her: “Turn right by that burger place on the corner” You: “They don’t name roads around here?” Her: (Laughing) “I don’t know the name, I’m TERRIBLE with street names!” You: “Apparently. My name’s XYZ.” (Turn your back for a second then turn back around to her) “Okay, what’s my name?”ANd so forth. |
2014-03-30T20:11:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/30/alpha-playboys-always-ask-for-directions-to-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-454159 |
Cloudiah, so what's the tl;dl on Perrins' call, if you managed to make it through the whole thing? | 2014-03-30T16:50:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/29/just-two-dudes-talkin-bout-rape-on-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-454040 |
Cloudiah, yeah, I'm pretty sure Dunbe is AloysiusC on Reddit. | 2014-03-29T20:36:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-4/#comment-453536 |
Oops. Forgot to put dunbe in the mod filter. Dunbe, sockpuppeting is a bannable offense here. Do you deny that you're Kitt33? Do you want me to post screenshots showing that your current IP maps to the same exact location in [name of central European country redacted] that your previous accounts mapped to? Because normally I wouldn't do that, because that would be a massive invasion of your privacy. (No, I won't post the screenshots, because I'm not a shithead, but you're a fucking liar if you pretend I'm just making up excuses to ban you.) |
2014-03-29T20:29:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-4/#comment-453533 |
.... and it turns out that Dunbe is our old "friend" Kitt33, who managed to ban himself iin his previous incarnation by not actually reading what anyone else ever said, and thus failing my "blorfle" challenge. (I would let him keep posting only if he used the word "blorfle" in his next comment, but since he didn't read my comment he didn't.) I issued this challenge in order to see if he could actually engage in discussion instead of simply being disruptive and posting random comments. Anyway, sockpuppeting plus that creepy rape comment from a few days ago means PERMABAN for dunbe. |
2014-03-29T19:07:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-3/#comment-453478 |
Bina and Samantha, I deleted your comments about baseball bats; that kind of language isn't allowed here, even if you mean it in only in a figurative way as I know you do. | 2014-03-29T18:08:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-3/#comment-453430 |
The MRAs have been posting that video as well, and have been stunned to learn that feminists also think it is a great video. (Because they don't know anything about feminists.) So they are capable of understanding rape culture -- when it affects men. They just don't understand it (or pretend not to understand it) when it affects women, because evidently they can't see women as fully human, or are so sexually resentful they think women deserve it. Samantha, so sorry you had to deal with all that shit. And are having to deal with that shit with the pagan abuser now. Ugh. Poor kids. |
2014-03-29T17:03:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/29/just-two-dudes-talkin-bout-rape-on-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-453404 |
Feh, normally I wouldn't ID someone like this but in this case her identity is out there already. She's been identified in every single other news article on the subject, and at this point articles have run in three dozen different publications, along with who knows how many blogs, etc. Mentioning her name makes it easier for people searching for information on the case to find my post on her rather than, say, Hembling's. | 2014-03-29T16:36:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-3/#comment-453388 |
I'm still scared of spiders. Not particularly of the ones I see, say, in my apartment. But I'm not going to mess with those brown recluses. | 2014-03-29T00:09:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-2/#comment-452976 |
kobun37, ah, I recognize those quotes. They're from Elam's post attacking Sady Doyle. It's really one of the most revealing ones he ever wrote. You know what her crime was, in Elam's eyes? Did she call for anti-male genocide? Did she laugh about men's penises being cut off? Did she falsely accuse someone of rape? No. She wrote a carefully documented piece for In These Times about the harassment that outspoken women, including herself, get online. So naturally Elam felt that the only proper response was to threaten to harass her EVEN MORE. Here's his post: http://www.donotlink.com/fLV Here's her post: http://inthesetimes.com/article/12311/the_girls_guide_to_staying_safe_online |
2014-03-29T00:04:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-2/#comment-452973 |
Cloudiah, I am totally adding that quote to the OP. | 2014-03-28T21:40:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-2/#comment-452925 |
Hembling's post is surreal.I'll add a link in the OP, but my brain is too fried to try to process its illogic. | 2014-03-28T18:50:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-452809 |
but acts of violence are so enormously contrary to the methods and ideology of the MRA that whoever it was, was following some completely different narrative in their head.Yeah, so why do MRAs still glorify Tom Ball, who very explicitly called on MRAs to FIREBOMB courthouses and police stations. Was he not an MRA? Hembling, what a fucking tool. Also, what about the endless violent-but-not-quite-explicitly-phycially-violent rhetoric of AVFM? What about the violent language and threats from other MRAs? Also, how is d'Entremont a "violent bitch?" Oy, I suppose I need to go and read his shit. |
2014-03-28T18:37:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-452801 |
Also, they don't even have to take her word on the broken tooth. It's visible in the photo! (And that tooth is fine in her older FB pics.) Just FYI, I'm using her name because every news story about the case except the first one has used her name, linked to her facebook account, etc. and I thought that anyone Googling her name should be able to see what the asshole MRAs are saying about her already and what their history is. |
2014-03-28T18:12:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-452772 |
Can you imagine these people at the DMV?A while back AVFM adopted this "judicial activist" from I forget where -- not Aleverdian or whatever his name is, another guy. I looked into him and it turns out he basically just goes around suing people, so much so that he's got a whole cult following in his area that document his weird crusades. One of them actually managed to film him in his doctors office threatening to sue them for millions of dollars -- literally -- because he couldn't get an appointment or something along those lines. I didn't post about it b/c his "fans"/enemies seemed a bit stalkery but, you know, I think that's how a lot of these guys and gals are in real life, though probably not to that extreme. A lot of angry entitlement. |
2014-03-28T17:45:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/27/check-out-the-farrells-follies-series-of-posts-on-reddit/comment-page-3/#comment-452741 |
Fixed | 2014-03-28T17:34:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/28/after-a-feminist-activist-at-queens-university-reports-being-attacked-possibly-by-an-mra-the-king-of-fuck-their-shit-up-responds-with-angry-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-452736 |
Yay, LBT and Ally! | 2014-03-28T05:03:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/01/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-march-2014-flying-cat-edition/comment-page-7/#comment-452399 |
Dunbe, that rape metaphor was over the line. Any more of that and you're headed for moderation and possibly banning. You can make your points without resorting to shit like that. | 2014-03-28T04:59:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/27/check-out-the-farrells-follies-series-of-posts-on-reddit/comment-page-2/#comment-452396 |
Cloudiah, the AFVM brigade's comments on that Queen's Journal story are appalling even by their standards. | 2014-03-27T21:02:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/27/check-out-the-farrells-follies-series-of-posts-on-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-452143 |
Well, looks like there will be consequences: http://globalnews.ca/news/1229905/obscene-posters-in-halifax-have-police-city-mulling-legal-action/ "Blais [the police chief --DF] said the posters themselves are not criminal but the police force and the municipality are pursuing legal action for the unauthorized use of the police logo." |
2014-03-25T17:16:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/25/a-voice-for-men-appropriates-logos-of-real-anti-violence-organizations-for-new-dont-be-that-girl-postering-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-450483 |
sparky, if you read his post, he claims not to be responsible or to know who exactly is putting the posters up. Though on twitter he promised that the "Posters will continue, cupcake," which suggested that he was sort of in charge of them. So he's trying to have it both ways. Obviously they know who is doing it; there's probably something on their forum about it, though maybe in some private section. | 2014-03-25T16:54:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/25/a-voice-for-men-appropriates-logos-of-real-anti-violence-organizations-for-new-dont-be-that-girl-postering-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-450456 |
Donations go through his girlfriend, I believe. And he probably does business under his own name rather than through AVFM, LLC. But it might be worth asking him that question directly. | 2014-03-25T16:50:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/25/a-voice-for-men-appropriates-logos-of-real-anti-violence-organizations-for-new-dont-be-that-girl-postering-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-450448 |
Here's the original version of that prostitute one: http://i.imgur.com/P2Nngln.png |
2014-03-25T14:11:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/25/a-voice-for-men-appropriates-logos-of-real-anti-violence-organizations-for-new-dont-be-that-girl-postering-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-450229 |
Putting the logos on there seems to me to be equivalant to putting words in someone's mouth. So not just copyright infringement but libel. Again, I'm not an expert on copyright law or Canadian law, but this suggests that the posterers don't really have a legal leg to stand on here: http://www.smart-biggar.ca/en/articles_detail.cfm?news_id=687 |
2014-03-25T14:06:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/25/a-voice-for-men-appropriates-logos-of-real-anti-violence-organizations-for-new-dont-be-that-girl-postering-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-450223 |
I just did a quick post about the "don't be that girl" posters. Thanks, magnesium and cloudiah, for pointing them out to me. | 2014-03-25T13:57:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/23/down-the-drain/comment-page-4/#comment-450210 |
hey most of those worked! how do you make a green-faced sick one? | 2014-03-24T21:38:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/23/down-the-drain/comment-page-3/#comment-449697 |
Health update: My bronchitis symptoms are better, the cough has gone away almost completely. Still feeling run down, sore throaty, migrainey; not sure when I'll be back to posting. In other important news: I like mayo and gay men who aren't total assholes; I don't like miracle whip and gay men who are total assholes. (NOTE: My policy towards gay men also applies to every other person regardless of gender or sexual orientation.) :) o_O O_O :P :| :/ |
2014-03-24T21:37:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/23/down-the-drain/comment-page-3/#comment-449696 |
Thanks everyone! FWIW, I'm not really coughing anything up, and everything is clear. (I've had previous bouts with awful green stuff -- years ago -- so I know what that looks like.) But I would have thought it would be a bit better by now. And I am wheezing a lot. If I'm not a lot better tomorrow I'll see if I can get in to see the doctor. | 2014-03-24T01:48:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/23/down-the-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-449082 |
I love the bit about the pantsuit! kitteh, I haven't seen a doctor. I'm 99% sure I've got bronchitis, b/c a friend of mine had it and b/c my symptoms match it exactly and b/c I had a flu shot so it's not flu. My understanding is that they don't usually give out antibiotics unless someone's got athsma too. The main thing that's making things really shitty for me is that it's exacerbating my migraine problem. |
2014-03-23T21:16:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/23/down-the-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-448908 |
NOTE TO WHOEVER IS TRYING TO COMMENT AS "[name of manosphere dude] is a pedophile" I don't like that guy either, but I'm not going to let through any comments of yours if you use that as your name. Pick another name, and I can let them through, though I'm going to keep you on moderation for awhile. |
2014-03-21T19:55:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/07/warren-farrell-is-an-ass-man/comment-page-8/#comment-447839 |
Thanks everyone! I'm still having my migraine issues, plus now I've got what I'm pretty sure is bronchitis. Ugh. My plans for the next few days include lots of sleeping and fluids. | 2014-03-19T19:41:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/19/under-the-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-446683 |
I used to have no fear of heights, and I climbed up trees like a monkey. Now heights weird me out. Being in tall buildings that sway in the wind freaks me out even though I realize they're supposed to. I guess. Could someone explain to me why tall buildings don't just blow over when hit by strong winds again? |
2014-03-18T04:58:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/12/christina-hoff-sommers-if-bossy-has-to-go-because-it-is-sexist-then-shouldnt-we-stop-using-male-vilifying-terms-like-mansplaining-rape-culture/comment-page-5/#comment-445608 |
Sarita, no Mark Minter isn't an ally. But he did come here and make a comment about Roosh's new policy, so I did actually learn about it from him. It was sort of an ironic shoutout. | 2014-03-16T19:07:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/13/man-who-teaches-men-how-to-talk-to-women-bans-men-who-talk-to-women-from-his-website/comment-page-2/#comment-444540 |
Can we just move on from the religion discussion? Samantha, yes, Elam did propose "bash a violent bitch month" as a sort of response to "domestiv violence awareness month." He now says that was "satire," but he apparently doesn't actually know what that word means. Here's a post of mine discussing it: http://manboobz.com/2010/11/28/paul-elam-youre-no-jonathan-swift/ |
2014-03-15T20:02:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/14/mens-rights-graphics-extravaganza-i-need-feminism-so-i-can-treat-women-like-equals-and-beat-them/comment-page-2/#comment-443983 |
The crying line is part of some elaborate story in which he tells her some story about a previous girlfriend he apparently still cared about, or she apparently cared about him, or something,and that made her cry when he told the story and apparenty every time they had sex after that. I don't know, I just skimmed it, it's all obvious bullshit, and he's too terrible of a writer to actually read. | 2014-03-15T17:57:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/15/caulking-in-her-cock-vault-a-new-and-improved-chateau-heartiste-crib-sheet-of-game/comment-page-1/#comment-443894 |
I debated whether to let that comment through, but thought it was astonishing enough that you all should see it. He's banned from making further comments, though. | 2014-03-14T21:17:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/22/yo-dudes-alpha-males-are-a-myth-according-to-actual-experts-on-wolves/comment-page-8/#comment-443122 |
Bina, damn, sorry that happened to you. Glad you at least won the court case. On the whole beating issue, I'm not sure the guy in the poster was literally talking about physically attacking women in the "if you want equal rights you need to be able to take equal lefts" sense; I sort of think he wasn't. But I do agree that MRAs are rather scarily obsessed with this particular point, always looking for instances when they're justified in hitting women. There's Paul Elam's "bash a violent bitch month," and there's this poster, also included in notnotnotfred's collection: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/sh/poh9i58r22ps0eo/FDicSEyAD1/1389816497827.png?token_hash=AAG1knuMeOOVlebCe8K-jsb_n4wcfWnrDsTUxhRwm5sHeg |
2014-03-14T17:51:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/14/mens-rights-graphics-extravaganza-i-need-feminism-so-i-can-treat-women-like-equals-and-beat-them/comment-page-1/#comment-442970 |
Crap, I don't remember where it was. I THINK it was in the againstmensrights subreddit. | 2014-03-14T09:27:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-5/#comment-442713 |
I am 99.999% sure Samantha is not a sockpuppet but is indeed who she says she is. | 2014-03-14T07:22:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/13/man-who-teaches-men-how-to-talk-to-women-bans-men-who-talk-to-women-from-his-website/comment-page-2/#comment-442672 |
No! The MRA two-period ellipses! | 2014-03-14T05:07:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-5/#comment-442609 |
Naomi Wolf is more of a conspiracy theorist than a feminist these days, but, frankly, having read the transcript of her encounter with GWW, every single one of her reactions there was perfectly justified. Those are just the reactions of a person living in the real world when confronted by someone like GWW babbling reactionary nonsense. Having never encountered her before, it just took Wolf a little while to realize how completely delusional GWW really is. . | 2014-03-14T05:05:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-5/#comment-442608 |
Jessay, to get back to your question about Pizzey, the story about feminists killing her dog: as Pizzey herself admitted in a recent Reddit AMA, her dog wasn't killed, and she has no evidence that whoever shot it (with a bb gun I believe, though I'm not sure) was a feminist. | 2014-03-13T17:06:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/12/christina-hoff-sommers-if-bossy-has-to-go-because-it-is-sexist-then-shouldnt-we-stop-using-male-vilifying-terms-like-mansplaining-rape-culture/comment-page-2/#comment-442302 |
Blah is now banned. I redacted his threatening comment, and quotations of it. It's really kind of amazing how many trolls here end up resorting to threats. |
2014-03-13T16:33:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-29/#comment-442271 |
About the RedPill movie: It's being produced by Cassie Jaye, an independent feminist filmmaker who has produced several notable films. She has spent quite a bit of time hanging out with and filming the AVFM crew. On the movie site she suggests that she's ended up "challenging her own beliefs" but I don't know what this means. She is certainly open to non-MRA input on the film, and I've been in contact with her. She isn't done filming. I would suggest contacting her, expecially if you have a personal story to tell about how these guys have affected you -- if you've been harassed by MRAs, etc. Don't treat her as an enemy. House Mouse Queen, I would *really* strongly suggest you get in touch with her, since you've been following them for such a long time. Send her links to some of your favorite videos that you've made about them. |
2014-03-13T03:33:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/12/quiz-who-said-sluts-are-just-whores-in-training/comment-page-2/#comment-441794 |
Reading my comment in this thread earlier I realize it sounds, well, mansplainy as hell. Trans_commie, it wasn't really aimed at you, since I know you already know all this shit, but at anyone reading these comments who doesn't. | 2014-03-13T00:32:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/12/christina-hoff-sommers-if-bossy-has-to-go-because-it-is-sexist-then-shouldnt-we-stop-using-male-vilifying-terms-like-mansplaining-rape-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-441692 |
trans_commie, and of course rape culture also contributes to the victimization of men. An enormous number of people (the overwhelming majority of them men) are raped in prison every year in the US and most people don't give a shit, or think it's funny, or think that's fine. Why? Because a lot of people think that rape is an appropriate punishment for "people like that." The notion of rape as appropriate punishment is part of rape culture. | 2014-03-12T18:50:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/12/christina-hoff-sommers-if-bossy-has-to-go-because-it-is-sexist-then-shouldnt-we-stop-using-male-vilifying-terms-like-mansplaining-rape-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-441508 |
Mark, how have you been? Did you get married after all? | 2014-03-11T21:17:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/11/meet-dr-thaddeus-pixel-inventor-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-440914 |
Oops. I checked the IP (it's different than bud's original one) but somehow skimmed right past the "commercially." Into the ban filter he goes. | 2014-03-10T02:33:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/09/saturday-night-live-takes-on-mens-rights-activists-in-not-actually-funny-skit/comment-page-2/#comment-439872 |
Patrick, so what you're telling us is that you can't read? | 2014-03-10T00:16:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/09/saturday-night-live-takes-on-mens-rights-activists-in-not-actually-funny-skit/comment-page-1/#comment-439791 |
Budmin is banned for his comments about hookergal. Fuck you, asshole. Sorry I didn't do it sooner; I was off the internet and only just caught up on my email. |
2014-03-09T17:22:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/07/warren-farrell-is-an-ass-man/comment-page-7/#comment-439517 |
I'm glas the legislature moved quickly to make upskirt photos illegal, and added an update/link to the post. | 2014-03-07T00:05:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/06/wearing-a-skirt-has-consequences-a-mens-rights-redditor-defends-a-mans-sacred-right-to-take-upskirt-photos/comment-page-2/#comment-438090 |
Cloudiah, tha's absolutely right about the "fetishization of nonconsent." See also: Revenge porn. Alice, that conversation is horrible. It's from Omegle, right? Do you have any more info about it? Where did you find it? I'm working on a longer thing about "friend-zoning" and might want to include it. |
2014-03-06T17:47:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/06/wearing-a-skirt-has-consequences-a-mens-rights-redditor-defends-a-mans-sacred-right-to-take-upskirt-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-437945 |
Maybe this isn't the right analogy, but just because someone *can* see your underwear, which you've exposed accidentally, doesn't mean that they have a right to take a picture of it, post it on the internet, whatever. If someone falls asleep on the train, you can steal their bag without them noticing, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be charged with theft. | 2014-03-06T17:26:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/06/wearing-a-skirt-has-consequences-a-mens-rights-redditor-defends-a-mans-sacred-right-to-take-upskirt-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-437929 |
Molly, that's kind f how it works for me too. | 2014-03-04T21:16:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/04/dont-ask-a-middle-aged-mans-creepy-roadmap-to-a-womans-secret-garden/comment-page-1/#comment-436844 |
It's possible it's a different person, I suppose. I'm going to let him run a bit longer, see what happens. | 2014-03-04T21:11:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/12/women-arent-the-mysterious-creatures-that-nice-guys-tm-and-predators-like-to-pretend-that-they-are/comment-page-11/#comment-436837 |
It's just such a weird coincidence that this creepy older dude who loves talking at such length in the comments here about dating much younger women in general just happens to fixate on the same commenter that a recently banned creepy not-quite as old dude who loves talking at length in the comments here about dating younger women. And that the new creepy dude who is allegedly a farmer is not posting from a farm but from from the same city the orignal creepy dude boasted about spending a weekend in a penthouse in with his girlfriend. | 2014-03-04T21:03:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/12/women-arent-the-mysterious-creatures-that-nice-guys-tm-and-predators-like-to-pretend-that-they-are/comment-page-11/#comment-436828 |
Damnit, JS, who is almost certiany MICHAEL, I made this whole new post about you and you only want to play with the old one. | 2014-03-04T20:49:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/04/dont-ask-a-middle-aged-mans-creepy-roadmap-to-a-womans-secret-garden/comment-page-1/#comment-436805 |
Ah ha ha ha ha ha, he's hitting on cupisnique. Or maybe I should say he's hitting on cupisnique again, because I'm about 99% sure this is indeed the return of MICHAEL. Hey, JS, if you're a farmer, where's your farm? Why aren't you there now? |
2014-03-04T20:37:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/12/women-arent-the-mysterious-creatures-that-nice-guys-tm-and-predators-like-to-pretend-that-they-are/comment-page-11/#comment-436776 |
I don't know if JS is a sockpuppet, but now he's got his own post: http://manboobz.com/2014/03/04/dont-ask-a-middle-aged-mans-creepy-roadmap-to-a-womans-secret-garden/ |
2014-03-04T18:11:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/12/women-arent-the-mysterious-creatures-that-nice-guys-tm-and-predators-like-to-pretend-that-they-are/comment-page-9/#comment-436552 |
kitteh, sorry to hear that; that's rough. damsel, hope your news turns out to be good. |
2014-03-03T16:57:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/01/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-march-2014-flying-cat-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-435820 |
I just did a new post on all this, so swim on ovver to the new thread with your fish puns, etc. | 2014-03-03T15:19:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/02/manosphere-drama-roosh-valizadeh-reportedly-arrested-in-poland-after-violent-confrontation/comment-page-5/#comment-435751 |
Wow. Lots of news in this thread. Hugs to everyone who needs/wants them. Congrats to those with good news! I'm only just now catching up with this thread. I'm still enduring what I'm hoping is the tail end of my migraine streak and that's cut way down on my internet/reading time for the last not-quite-week. (I have meds, but they cause rebounds and aren't completely effective; I'm working with my doctor to work out something to control them better.) |
2014-03-03T12:09:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/01/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-march-2014-flying-cat-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-435667 |
Ellie, Roosh hangs out in the corner of the "manosphere" where all the proud racists/white supremacists hang out, though, yeah, I'm sure a lot of them would not consider him white. His own racism is bizarrely focused on Indians, and he's brought a lot of his forum members along with him. | 2014-03-02T18:48:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/02/manosphere-drama-roosh-valizadeh-reportedly-arrested-in-poland-after-violent-confrontation/comment-page-3/#comment-435186 |
Someone with a username containing the c-word just tried to post this:
ahahaha egg on the face of the man boobzNo, I think the egg is on Roosh's face for trolling his own fans. Everyone here was skeptical of the story. I didn't dismiss it out of hand, though, despite the source, because I could very easily believe that Roosh would get into a fight with someone and end up in a Polish jail-- especially someone like Paul/Andre, whom he's talked about threateningly before. |
2014-03-02T18:30:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/02/manosphere-drama-roosh-valizadeh-reportedly-arrested-in-poland-after-violent-confrontation/comment-page-2/#comment-435165 |
Ah, just skimmed through the latest couple pages of comments over on Roosh's forum. Pretty clearly a hoax. I'll update the post. | 2014-03-02T17:50:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/02/manosphere-drama-roosh-valizadeh-reportedly-arrested-in-poland-after-violent-confrontation/comment-page-2/#comment-435121 |
Seems Roosh signed into the forum not 5min ago. LOLHa! So he has. Unless Someone else has his login info. I guess I'm going to stay officially agnostic on this one. |
2014-03-02T17:37:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/02/manosphere-drama-roosh-valizadeh-reportedly-arrested-in-poland-after-violent-confrontation/comment-page-2/#comment-435099 |
Now I'm leaning towards it being real, because reading through the thread about the guy he "confronted" it's clear he really hates the dude; he and his fans have all been talking about "laying the smack down" on him since January. But who knows. | 2014-03-02T17:28:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/02/manosphere-drama-roosh-valizadeh-reportedly-arrested-in-poland-after-violent-confrontation/comment-page-2/#comment-435083 |
Tuthmosis' fishy comments (and the uscathed Roosh in the photo) aside, Roosh does have a history with the guy he allegedly beat up, and apparently had threatened him before. Shitty behavior all around, apparently. http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-32570.html |
2014-03-02T16:14:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/02/manosphere-drama-roosh-valizadeh-reportedly-arrested-in-poland-after-violent-confrontation/comment-page-1/#comment-434999 |
In the photo, Roosh looks pretty much unscathed, so it looks as though he either did all the damage in the confrontation or there was no confrontation and the photo is staged. | 2014-03-02T15:15:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/02/manosphere-drama-roosh-valizadeh-reportedly-arrested-in-poland-after-violent-confrontation/comment-page-1/#comment-434967 |
Tuthmosis is apparently now declaring himself in charge of the Roosh forums and announcing a new ... fee structure?
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-33639.html
Forum Emergency Plan and New Rules As many of you have heard, our former chief Roosh is caught up in some ugly legal troubles abroad. All signs point to him being gone for a while. I'm getting a lot of private messages about what's going to happen to the forum during his absence as well as a lot of notes of support. This thread is designed to help make the transition to this special period of forum administration easier for everyone. While we can all agree this is an unfortunate set of events, the show--as they say--must go on. I've had a plan in place just in case this sort of thing ever went down. In the coming hours and days, I will announce the following changes: Updated set of special rules for this new period. Naming of a new forum moderator to support the administration. A new fee structure for membership tiers, datasheets, and banned members. Some new partnerships that will enhance your user experience.Huh. That all seems a little fishy. So who knows what's going on over there. |
2014-03-02T15:04:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/02/manosphere-drama-roosh-valizadeh-reportedly-arrested-in-poland-after-violent-confrontation/comment-page-1/#comment-434957 |
Damsel, good to hear. Oh, just in case people haven't been following the old thread, it's been pretty active last night/this mornig, so you may want to check out the latest comments there: http://manboobz.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/ |
2014-03-01T11:04:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/03/01/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-march-2014-flying-cat-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-434135 |
Also: I wanted to announce that I've set up a new Open Thread for Personal Stuff to continue the discussion: http://manboobz.com/2014/03/01/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-march-2014-flying-cat-edition/ |
2014-03-01T11:00:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-16/#comment-434132 |
Ally, glad you got some sleep. So sorry you have to deal with this ongoing abuse and harassment and manipulation from your dad. Don't feel guilty! And keep reaching out for support -- the more people you can talk to who are outside that toxic family dynamic, and sympathetic to you, the better. The support group sounds great. Too bad it was canceled. Are there other support groups that might be relevant too so you don't have to wait so long until the next one? I doubt I'm telling you or suggesting anything you don't already know here, but we're all behind you. Nova, glad to see you're back and that you're in a better place. Sorry that things have been so rough for you. |
2014-03-01T10:59:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-15/#comment-434130 |
New baby! I'm glad DDW wasn't here to notice the typo in my original graphic, which I have stealthily fixed. It wasn't really my fault, just a glitch in the matrix. |
2014-02-28T16:08:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/28/red-pill-theorist-women-are-like-children-except-you-can-have-sex-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-433612 |
Thanks everyone, for the supportive comments. Kiwi girl, I actually take supatriptan for my migraines, and they're generally pretty effective, but the trouble is that the pills cause rebound headaches so I'm a bit wary about taking them, which means that sometimes I don't catch the headaches in time, and when that happens I have I guess what you'd call half-strength migraines for like three or four days straight, which is more or less what happened this week. Half-strength migraines are a hell of a lot better than full-scale migraines, but are still no fun. I take various other meds to try to control the migraines but right now they aren't working all that well; I've been working with my doctor to find a better mix/dosage. Anyway, the headache seems to be winding down. Should be back to normal tomorrow. Can't deal with that New Republic piece just yet. Ugh. |
2014-02-28T03:44:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/27/off-topic-yakety-rave/comment-page-1/#comment-433276 |
DDW, if you'd like proof of authentic Men's Rights posters with spelling errors, all you have to do is to look at the post previous to this one. http://manboobz.com/2014/02/24/why-are-mens-rights-posters-always-so-comically-ugly-a-new-theory/ |
2014-02-27T00:49:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/25/british-mens-rightser-to-feminists-i-will-fight-you-until-my-dying-breath-and-so-will-my-totally-real-ex-model-girlfriend/comment-page-6/#comment-432392 |
titianblue, such good news! | 2014-02-27T00:26:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-15/#comment-432377 |
Also crossing my fingers for Maisie. | 2014-02-26T16:27:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-14/#comment-431941 |
I was thinking "slit" could refer to vagina, or that maybe he was trying to say "split ass," which is apparently a variation on the horrible term "split tail," which I've actually seen horrible dudes use for women before. But, yeah, he probably just hit the I key instead of the U. | 2014-02-26T13:35:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/26/slit-ass-birch-ho-the-sad-tale-of-a-nice-guy-thwarted/comment-page-1/#comment-431799 |
I'm going to drop the ... other topic. But if anyone is looking for ebook versions of radfem texts, check out http://radfem.org/ Obviously as you'll see some of the authors there are famously transmisogynistic, and/or problematic in all sorts of other ways, but it's a very handy resource. |
2014-02-26T02:27:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-4/#comment-431411 |
kittehserf, I disagree, she got out of the punch bowl, and was talking about Esmay in this thread. Nothing in the comments of hers I quoted was trollish. If you want to say, hey, framing it as brainwashing gives Esmay too much credit, that's fine. If you dislike her, that's fine. But she's not a troll. Yes, she got pissy when people told her not to use the word "pussy" in a joke. But in this thread she showed up and made reasonable, on topic comments that were not trollish in the slightest. You may not agree with them. But, really, can we not move on? Argue with her if you want. But if a bunch of people start calling her a troll every time she says anything, what sort of discussion is that? |
2014-02-26T01:46:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-4/#comment-431380 |
Reading through those quotes again I guess the whole "brainwashed" formulation does make it sound as though Dean is somehow passive in all this. And that's obviously a problematic way of looking at this. Dean isn't Patty Hearst; he's an adult and not under any duress and he chooses to believe this crap (and of course he believed all sorts of crap before AVFM). |
2014-02-26T00:26:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-4/#comment-431325 |
Hellkell, I[m not defending her comments in other threads, but her original comments in THIS thread -- before the "meltdown" -- were fine.
She *didn't* defend Dean. She said that a year ago she thought he might have some human left in him, and that she thought she might be able to convince him to stop being an MRA, but that now he seems to have gone over completely or almost completely to AVFM bullshit.
This is what she said:
At one time, I actually tried to sway Dean out of the MHRM, to pack up and leave avfm (early last year, I think) because I actually saw some hope in him. Unlike other MRAs & anti-fems, he didn’t block me and actually welcomed a challenge. He was different. He still retains some of that quality, but that’s all I see there now. He’s being morphed into a brainwashed misogynist hypocrite that has subscribed to the classic MRA comic book history of…what he said in the quote:The rest of that comment was her going through what Dean said in his open letter and pointing out where he was completely wrong. I agree with you (and with her current stance) that Dean is hopeless. And I don't think most MRAs are worth arguing with, but, you know, sometimes when one of them doesn't seem completely fanatical I try to reason with them. Certainly people here kept talking to MRAL for precisely that reason. It turned out to be kind of pointless, but I don't think that impulse is necessarily bad. These are her other comments: Yeah, Dean seemed like the least militant of MHRA’s to me a year ago. And for that, he seemed out of place within avfm. Yet he was either extremely naive or in denial when anyone pointed out to him that there was misogyny within avfm. He just didn’t want to believe there was anything wrong. Now he’s part of that wrong more today than ever. He even agreed with the spamming of Occidental. It seems Elam has filled his head with so much distrust for women that he believes the comic book versions of ‘female privilege’. He’s brainwashed, probably beyond repair.Again, I'm not seeing this as a defense of Dean. Saying "I didn't see him as completely awful a year ago but now he is" doesn't seem like a defense. And then there was this: I say Dean is ‘brainwashed’ because that’s the assessment I get when I compare him from yesterday to today. I’ve had debates with him and he seems that way to me. But I also mention that he may be naive or in denial because I do think he knows part of what he talks about is bullshit, just doesn’t want to admit it to anyone. Still it seems to me that Elam has forced him to a point to see history through his lens of lies. Yet if Elam is paying Dean to bullshit everyone, all the more incentive for him. Another one of Dean’s ridiculous lines, that I forgot to mention, is that he thinks avfm is a ‘human rights’ group, is why he sees himself as an MHRA. Try as anyone might to explain otherwise, he still believes such nonsense.I really don't see this as defending Dean or absolving him for his choices either. Maybe the bit about him being "naive," but given the rest of what she's said about him I don't really think she's portraying him as much of an innocent. Hell, I also think he seems naive about all sorts of things; he basically seems to operate at a very childlike level. I don't think that absolves him of anything. Felisha even seems to be suggesting he's going along with Elam's lies for the money, which really doesn't sound like much of a defense to me. I think part of the problem is that Dean is just a very puzzling person, and it's hard to describe exactly why. Elam is a lot easier to understand. Anyway, those were her only comments in the thread prior to her "childish" comment. There was another commenter in the thread -- Anenome -- that said soemthing about Dean "overcoming some poersonal difficulties" but that wasn't her. You have every right not to like her. But in this case I think she got criticized for comments that wouldn't have even gotten a second glance if they'd come from anyone but her. |
2014-02-26T00:17:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-4/#comment-431316 |
Cassandra, I'm certainly not denying that she's said some obnoxious stuff, but looking through past comments I don't see two rounds of offensive comments and then doubling down; I just see one. I see the "pussy" joke and its aftermath and then another time where she complained about that incident. Have I missed something? Here's the comment where she returns to it: http://manboobz.com/2014/02/20/a-voice-for-men-takes-on-feminist-rhymes-with-bunts-with-new-poster-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-427682 And, yeah, it's a bit obnoxious. In the future, I really want to cut this sort of thing off before it starts by simply saying, no, you're not allowed to discuss this, you have to stop using the word. And if you don't move on you go on moderation. But that rule wasn't in effect when she made that comment. With regard to this thread I guess my feeling was that her original comments in this thread weren't obnoxious; they were on topic, why not just roll with it? |
2014-02-25T22:08:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-4/#comment-431233 |
Kitteh, I agree she should have let it go in the original thread, and I think I posted comments to that effect there.
I actually put something in the comments policy warning about this sort of thing, inspired by that thread and by that other dude who liked using the "tw" word.
If a bunch of commenters tell you a word is inappropriate, drop it from your vocabulary here and move on. Don’t argue about it, or explain that in your country it’s perfectly acceptable. I don’t care.In the future, if someone starts arguing back we can point them to that and if they keep going they'll go on moderation or get banned. But if they move on, I think the rest of us should move on as well. |
2014-02-25T21:19:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-4/#comment-431187 |
Woah, I didn't refresh the browser before writing my comment and missed the last hour or so of comments. I'm sorry, but I don't understand all this hostility towards Felicia. I understand that some of you carry over some ill-feeling from older threads, but, seriously, this is a different thread, a different topic, and nothing she said in this thread warrented the hostile and distrustful response she got to some perfectly reasonable comments about Dean (that actually match pretty well with my own experience with him). So you got her pissed and she called some of you "childish." So you're going to get on her case about that? And start making stuff up about her? Serously, step back for a minute. This whole thing started because she made a joke using the word "pussy." It wasn't directed at anyone, It wasn't part a joke intended to attack women. It was dumb wordplay. Yes, ideally when people suggested she not use that language here she should have said, ok, and moved on. But now I'm asking you all to move on. I mean, seriously. There are actual misogynists out there saying and doing all sorts of horrible shit. I'm not sure what exactly this sort of discussion is supposed to accomplish. |
2014-02-25T20:41:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-3/#comment-431151 |
DEan has always struck me as an odd bird at AVFM, because at various times I've noticed that he's backed off from or clearly felt discomfort with some of the obvious bullshit and lying of PE and JTO. There did seem to be some sort of conscience working away in there, although he was obviously beating it down. I can see how someone might think -- at least for a fleeting moment -- that he was the one person at AVFM who could somehow be reached by logic or an appeal to decency. I don't think he ever really was -- for one thing, he would sound all reasonable at one moment, and then become a sputtering ideologue the next. On a few occasions I've actually emailed questions to AVFM about this or that controversy just to see if they would answer them; Paul would send along some internet tough guy non-response, but Dean would actually respond and try to act reasonable. But them the next day he'd launch into some bizarre conspiratorial rant against me. And obviously he's had some crankish beliefs, and has engaged in some assholish behavior, for a long time. At this point he really does seem to have fully embraced the AVFM ideology, though. |
2014-02-25T20:16:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-3/#comment-431124 |
Sometimes spam comments are too wonderful to just delete. | 2014-02-25T11:23:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/23/mark-minter-takes-on-marriage-mangina-manservants-and-americas-matriarchal-infrastructure/comment-page-15/#comment-430747 |
A bunch of people have found the title confusing, so I've reworded it. | 2014-02-25T09:42:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/24/why-are-mens-rights-posters-always-so-comically-ugly-a-new-theory/comment-page-3/#comment-430678 |
Triangle: well, you're certianly is a tedious fellow, huh? I can't tell if you're trolling or just an insuffrable bore, but here's the deal: if you want to discuss things with other commenters here, have a normal discussion with them. Avoid flooding the topic with endless comments, walls of text, equations, comments in which you basically are talking to yourself. I'm putting you on moderation for now. |
2014-02-25T00:39:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/18/mens-rights-redditor-going-to-a-strip-club-as-a-guy-must-be-like-going-to-a-regular-nightclub-as-a-girl/comment-page-6/#comment-430434 |
Hmmm. Where might one go to find out answers to questions that are frequently asked? | 2014-02-25T00:08:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/comments-policy/comment-page-5/#comment-430401 |
Cloudiah, oops. Not quite sure how I missed that. Brain not working so well. But I just returned from r/amr, where I found another link to that comment and read it and his other comments in all their glory. I don't think he's 16, though, as some were suggesting. But I'm not convinced about his model girlfriend. | 2014-02-24T20:08:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/24/why-are-mens-rights-posters-always-so-comically-ugly-a-new-theory/comment-page-2/#comment-430111 |
cloudiah, where are those quotes from? I love the "fight til my dying breath" one. MRAs are such drama kings. On the Kate Winslet thing, she gave some interview where she mentioned that she had full custody of the kids she had with director Sam Mendes. She said: "None of this 50/50 time with the mums and dads – my children live with me; that is it.’ So Fathers4justice took out an ad denouncing her for it, or tried to (and she threatened to sue them), and MRAs are all mad at her for evilly keeping her kids from Mendes. Thing is, Mendes is completely fine with the arrangement and asked fathers4justice to leave her and the kids alone. Also, though this isn't relevent, she's apparently now married to a guy named Ned RocknRoll. more info: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525743/Kate-Winslet-threatens-sue-Fathers4Justice-advertising-campaign-attacking-saying-children-live-me.html |
2014-02-24T19:27:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/24/why-are-mens-rights-posters-always-so-comically-ugly-a-new-theory/comment-page-2/#comment-430078 |
He also suggested we should all be put in labor camps. | 2014-02-24T19:12:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/dating-by-the-numbers-why-hacking-okcupid-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/comment-page-10/#comment-430065 |
Note to "Marshal Tito": If you're going to try to post again on a website you've been banned from using a new name, a new IP address, and a new email, you should probably not use an email that contains the same name as the email you previously used when you were "Hector." I would think that as a super genius you would know this. |
2014-02-24T18:52:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/dating-by-the-numbers-why-hacking-okcupid-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/comment-page-10/#comment-430042 |
Sir Bodsworth, excellent work! I also went back through the rest of your posters. Very impressive collection. Extremely authentic looking. | 2014-02-24T18:15:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/24/why-are-mens-rights-posters-always-so-comically-ugly-a-new-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-430006 |
Ally, that's great! | 2014-02-24T18:11:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/23/today-in-straw-feminism-why-they-chuckle-at-male-suicide-figures-explained/comment-page-2/#comment-430001 |
Here was Hector's argument for why I should let him post here:
My case, David, is that simply I am their moral and intellectual superior. And yours.You must be a lot of fun at parties. Let me show you the door. |
2014-02-24T17:36:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/dating-by-the-numbers-why-hacking-okcupid-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/comment-page-9/#comment-429971 |
Hector, since you have such strong views on who should and who should not be allowed in a civilized discussion, I am going to ask you to make a case for why you should be allowed to take place in the discussion here despite behaving in a rather uncivilized manner to the regulars here. I will be the only one seeing your comments until you make such a case. | 2014-02-24T17:11:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/dating-by-the-numbers-why-hacking-okcupid-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/comment-page-9/#comment-429943 |
er, sort of | 2014-02-24T16:53:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/24/why-are-mens-rights-posters-always-so-comically-ugly-a-new-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-429912 |
I done got no idea where that came from. I find it wort of bizarre and fascinating the sorts of things they project on me, based on nothing. |
2014-02-24T16:53:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/24/why-are-mens-rights-posters-always-so-comically-ugly-a-new-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-429910 |
Nynaeve, if Lana's husband/family think it's appropriate, I would be happy to run an "In Memoriam" post. It might include a statement/obituary from them, perhaps some quotes from her comments here. Obviously that would be entirely up to them. | 2014-02-24T14:23:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-14/#comment-429778 |
Nynaeve, so, so sorry to hear about Lana, and so grateful to you for letting us know. My condolences to you and to all of her loved ones. | 2014-02-24T12:53:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-14/#comment-429729 |
titianblue, hope you find your kitty! | 2014-02-24T11:43:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-14/#comment-429687 |
@aleprechaunist That is indeed a reprehensible statement; I'm rather stunned by it. But then again so was everyone else in that thread. You'll notice that everyone else there told the person who posted it that it was utterly reprehensible, and that the person ultimately withdrew that part of the comment. |
2014-02-23T21:30:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/23/today-in-straw-feminism-why-they-chuckle-at-male-suicide-figures-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-429332 |
Piers Morgan was an astounding asshole about the Janet Mock thing; he just kept doubling down and doubling down again and posting these awful infantile tweets about the people who were calling him out on his transphobia. That said, I don't think that's going to be a big part, or maybe even a part, of the media spin on the story. Looking at the NYT story about it, the angle seems to be that he was a prickly Brit who didn't connect with Americans and he talked too much about gun control. His ratings were terrible. The quotes from him in the NYT story seem to sugggest that he fully expected his show would be cancelled. |
2014-02-23T20:49:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/23/today-in-straw-feminism-why-they-chuckle-at-male-suicide-figures-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-429297 |
Cloudiah, it'll be his last post. He's banned, but I let through this post for old times sake. | 2014-02-23T20:06:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-19/#comment-429256 |
NOTE: Lest anyone be tempted to take Michael's "last post" altogether seriously, I should note that many of the deleted comments in this thread contained ample evidence of Michael lying about all sorts of things. I should also note that he tried to post here recently with a sockpuppet account under the name of "Jim." His IP -- well, the one he was using earlier -- does suggest he may indeed LIVE ON THE BEACH, though not literally in Los Angeles. In the Los Angeles metro area. And if Qwerty did decide to stick with him, that he does indeed have a thin girlfriend in her 30s who (from all indications) could do a LOT better than him. Like, seriously, a LOT. |
2014-02-23T20:02:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-19/#comment-429252 |
Sam-I-Was, so sorry about your uncle. eli, losing a pet is hard, I know. But you obviously gave him a wonderful home and he knew you cared for him. It was obviously his time. |
2014-02-23T16:28:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-13/#comment-429104 |
Ninjaed by freshlysqueezedcynic, but evidently that is what Dean thinks. | 2014-02-23T05:00:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-2/#comment-428877 |
cassandra, I assume Dean is one of those "HIV has no connection to AIDS" people, but I don't actually know what his AIDS denialism consists of. | 2014-02-23T04:57:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-2/#comment-428876 |
AnonaMiss, you know, I really should have included that one too. I'm going to add it as a EXTRA SPECIAL BONUS ARGUMENT. | 2014-02-22T16:20:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/22/5-arguments-least-likely-to-convince-a-young-woman-that-a-voice-for-men-isnt-a-misogynistic-hate-site/comment-page-1/#comment-428512 |
I think I vaguely remember that some feminist group did a bake sale once where they charged men more to make a point about the wage gap, but the idea that this is something that happens in the real world is a tad silly. | 2014-02-21T22:33:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/21/a-dude-named-sizzletron-shares-his-honest-opinions-that-are-entirely-merit-based-about-women-spoiler-alert-they-actually-arent/comment-page-2/#comment-428224 |
heyheyheyhey, the reason I said their logic was identical to the logic of many MRAs on this subject is that, well, it is. For examples of MRAs arguing that women aren't fit to serve in the military or in combat, see: http://manboobz.com/2010/12/12/g-i-jane-you-ignorant-slut/ http://manboobz.com/2011/10/01/women-in-combat-who-put-sand-in-your-vaginas/ http://manboobz.com/2012/09/29/us-army-brig-general-charged-with-rape-whos-to-blame-according-to-the-spearhead-its-women/ And here's another rather peculiar line of argument on the women in the military issue from perhaps the most prominent MRA out there at the moment: http://manboobz.com/2013/01/26/a-voice-for-men-well-support-women-in-combat-only-if-the-proper-percentage-of-women-get-killed/ |
2014-02-21T19:53:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/01/mras-would-rather-complain-about-male-disposibility-than-work-to-enable-women-to-serve-in-combat/comment-page-4/#comment-428154 |
I started off this blog trying to be as hands-off a moderator as possible -- free speech and all -- and went a long time without banning more than a tiny handful of people. But it just doesn't work. Trolls are not only abusive, but they're constantly derailing the discussion to whatever their pet issue is that day. Trolls: you're here for our entertainment. Be entertaining! These debates over language are also getting a bit tedious. Felicia, I understand your frustration at being taken to task for what is a borderline case in terms of problematic words. But at this point I don't think it does anyone any good to keep that discussion going. I think the rule is going to have to be the punch bowl rule: if a bunch of people here ask you to stop using a particular word (get out of the punch bowl), just stop using the word and move on. (You can use the word elsewhere to you heart's content.) The flip side of that is that is that if the person using the word moves on, eveyone else should move on as well. I think I'll add some notes on this to the comments policy. |
2014-02-21T10:19:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/20/a-voice-for-men-takes-on-feminist-rhymes-with-bunts-with-new-poster-campaign/comment-page-3/#comment-427860 |
Ninjaed by the happier news. That's cool! | 2014-02-21T01:37:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-12/#comment-427643 |
Ally, is there something you can do to distract yourself and just get him out of your head? | 2014-02-21T01:36:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-12/#comment-427641 |
Ooh, Alice, good one. And yours has the advantage of being an actual quote with a citation and everything. | 2014-02-21T01:30:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/20/a-voice-for-men-takes-on-feminist-rhymes-with-bunts-with-new-poster-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-427637 |
kitteh, yeah, and I mentioned that, so he had no excuse. He's still trying to post indignant walls of text. Here's the thing, dude, (that is, sirtoot) even if you personally think the word is just peachy to use, when you go to someone's blog you abide by the rules there. If you went to a party and sat down in the punch bowl and someone came up to you and said, please don't sit in the punch bowl, we don';t do that here, the proper response is to get out of the punch bowl, not to keep sitting in it while yelling about how in your country everyone sits in punch bowls. If you're unwilling to attend a party in which you can't sit in the punch bowl, you are of course free to leave. But it's rude to stay in the punch bown after you've been asked to get out of it. So that's why I had to ask the bouncers to remove you. |
2014-02-21T00:51:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/20/a-voice-for-men-takes-on-feminist-rhymes-with-bunts-with-new-poster-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-427612 |
Well, that was a quick flameout. Sirtoot is banned for about half a dozen different reasons. | 2014-02-21T00:42:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/20/a-voice-for-men-takes-on-feminist-rhymes-with-bunts-with-new-poster-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-427606 |
And we're done with the discussion of "twat." It's going in the filter for now and anyone trying to get around the filter will go on moderation. Though I'm only really thinking of Sirtooting here. Sirtooting, you can call MRAs "twits" if you want, but not "twats." |
2014-02-21T00:01:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/20/a-voice-for-men-takes-on-feminist-rhymes-with-bunts-with-new-poster-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-427574 |
Did I ban Diogenes.or just put him on moderation? | 2014-02-20T07:19:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/15/breaking-boner-how-a-dick-pic-receiver-got-her-revenge/comment-page-6/#comment-427122 |
Good, who exactly are you having a conversation with here? | 2014-02-20T03:34:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/17/happy-women-who-really-run-the-country-day/comment-page-2/#comment-427062 |
Someone said:
As if one’d take Berlioz’s music and ruined it with some horrible rap in it or something.Which gives me an excuse to post this, a song created by taking a poll to determine what people would least like to hear in a song, and putting all those things in a song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gPuH1yeZ08 Info: "The Most Unwanted Song" is a song created by artists Komar and Melamid and composer Dave Soldier in 1997. The song was designed to incorporate lyrical and musical elements that were annoying to most people. These elements included bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Wal-Mart. For The People's Choice: Music CD, "The Most Unwanted Song" was paired with "The Most Wanted Song," which incorporated musical elements that were "wanted" by listeners, again as determined by a public opinion survey. Instruments such as guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love were "most wanted" by the survey respondents, and are included in the song, which has been described as "Celine Dion-esque". The vocals for "The Most Wanted Song" are provided by Ada Dyer and Ronnie Gent; Living Colour guitarist Vernon Reid is featured on guitar. [Wikipedia] |
2014-02-19T19:59:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/19/vox-day-my-orc-and-troll-fighting-game-wont-have-any-women-in-it-because-that-wouldnt-be-historically-accurate/comment-page-2/#comment-426924 |
Oh, on replacing words. When I'm tempted to use words like "stupid" or "idiot" I do ask myself if there's another term I can use that will convey what I mean equally well. With MRAs, "obtuse" often works well. Google defines it as "annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand." It conveys a certain willfullness to their refusal to "get it" that I think captures them exactly. | 2014-02-19T19:40:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/18/mens-rights-redditor-going-to-a-strip-club-as-a-guy-must-be-like-going-to-a-regular-nightclub-as-a-girl/comment-page-2/#comment-426914 |
"Stupid" and "idiot" are somewhat problematic. But they're not synonyms for "r*etard." And I don't think we should simply write them off as "ablelist slurs."
In the case of "idiot," the pejorative "medical" meanings attached to the word are generally not known to the general public; they aren't part of what anyone means when they use the word, or what anyone assumes the word means when they read it. And they're not used by psychologists/psychiatrists any more either.
"Idiot," in popular usage, isn't only (or even primarily) a reference to someone's IQ; it means someone who has ridiculously bad judgement, someone who is foolish, obtuse, who lacks common sense, who doesn't "get it." But it can't really be replaced with any of these words or phrases; it conveys all this in one handy word -- that's why it exists.
The definition at Dictionary.com:
id·i·ot [id-ee-uht] Show IPA noun 1. Informal. an utterly foolish or senseless person: If you think you can wear that outfit to a job interview and get hired, you're an idiot! 2. Psychology . (no longer in technical use; considered offensive) a person of the lowest order in a former and discarded classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25."Stupid" is also problematic, in that it also can be used pejoratively. But again, it has a host of meanings and connotations that it can convey, and I'm not sure we should throw out the word entirely, though I agree it's probably better to use it to refer to ideas rather than people (even though, yes, I used it with people in this post). Here's the dictionary.com definition: stu·pid adjective \ˈstü-pəd, ˈstyü-\ : not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things : not sensible or logical : not able to think normally because you are drunk, tired, etc. Full Definition of STUPID 1 a : slow of mind : obtuse b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason : brutish 2 : dulled in feeling or sensation : torpid 3 : marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : senseless 4 a : lacking interest or point b : vexatious, exasperating ... Examples of STUPID She angrily described her boss as a stupid old man. He had a stupid expression on his face. I'm not stupid enough to fall for that trick. Why are you being so stupid? It was stupid of me to try to hide this from you. We were stupid to wait so long before we made a decision. I did some pretty stupid things when I was young. Two glasses of wine are enough to make me stupid. I was stupid with fatigue.There are a lot of words out there that have meanings that are or that can be seen as offensive in some ways, but I don't think we should get rid of them all. We would end up with a pretty restricted vocabulary. For example, "mad," as we all know, doesn't just mean "angry," it also means (somewhat archaically) "insane," and it conjures up some pretty retrograde notions of "madness" that are generally detrimental to those dealing with mental illness. But as someone dealing with mental illness I don't think it makes sense to ban the word "mad," even when used as a synonym for "insane." I think that's going too far. |
2014-02-19T19:27:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/18/mens-rights-redditor-going-to-a-strip-club-as-a-guy-must-be-like-going-to-a-regular-nightclub-as-a-girl/comment-page-2/#comment-426905 |
Stupid also means "lacking common sense" and that's parly what I mean when I use it. These guys are sort of amazing at missing the point, as they demonstrate in the comments I quote in the OP. | 2014-02-19T10:25:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/18/mens-rights-redditor-going-to-a-strip-club-as-a-guy-must-be-like-going-to-a-regular-nightclub-as-a-girl/comment-page-2/#comment-426576 |
Poor koalas! Well, actually the second one seemed pretty happy. Why are those guys out riding bikes in 120 degree weather? |
2014-02-18T23:12:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/18/mens-rights-redditor-going-to-a-strip-club-as-a-guy-must-be-like-going-to-a-regular-nightclub-as-a-girl/comment-page-1/#comment-426403 |
I've banned Sam for the depression comment. That's over the line. There's no evidence of sockpuppetry (at least not from the IPs), but that doesn't mean much. |
2014-02-18T22:53:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/15/breaking-boner-how-a-dick-pic-receiver-got-her-revenge/comment-page-5/#comment-426397 |
Cat lady, not only are you sock puppeting (this is your third identity so far) but that comment was all copypasta from here. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmbis/writev/womeninworkplace/m22.htm (Note to readers; Steve Moxon is a fairly high-profile British MRA, sort of their version of Warren Farrell, though a bit more extreme from what I've seen.) Shape up or be banned! |
2014-02-18T21:21:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/18/mens-rights-redditor-going-to-a-strip-club-as-a-guy-must-be-like-going-to-a-regular-nightclub-as-a-girl/comment-page-1/#comment-426302 |
Ally, none of this is your fault, but it's also not your fault that you feel like it IS your fault. Abusers and manipulative people are very good at making other people feel guilty. You just want to live your life AS YOU. He's the one putting roadblocks in front of that and trying to make you feel like he's somehow the victim here. I've been in relationships with manipulative people and it's very easy to get pulled into their fucked-up logic in which their problems, their issues are somehow all your fault. You're awesome. You don't deserve to be hurt or punished for wanting to live your life as yourself. |
2014-02-16T22:04:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-10/#comment-424252 |
LBT, you're right, I take it all back. | 2014-02-16T21:47:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/15/breaking-boner-how-a-dick-pic-receiver-got-her-revenge/comment-page-2/#comment-424237 |
Svelinya, thanks for posting here and props for your ingenious revenge on this guy. Also thanks for covering up the BB spoilers, as I'm only made it up about the middle of season 4.
Cat woman, do you see the irony of posting this:
Women can sexually harass men anytime, but men will find themselves in prison if they do the same.... in a thread discussing an example of a man who sexually harassed a woman first by talking about his dick and then by sending a dick pic... and who faced zero legal consequences for it? Actually, he faced pretty much zero consequences non-legally too; his name and all other personal identifying info has been obscured in the post, unless someone can ID him by his torso and his TV set. Fact is, dudes around the world are harassing women like this constantly. and very few face any kind of consequences for it. |
2014-02-16T21:42:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/15/breaking-boner-how-a-dick-pic-receiver-got-her-revenge/comment-page-2/#comment-424230 |
The Dunn trial, what the hell. How are you not guilty of murder if you fire ten shots into a car full of people armed only with a stereo and kill one of them? Can I just go around shooting at people and then say, oh, I thought he had a bazooka, oh I thought she was driving a tank? | 2014-02-16T01:34:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/15/breaking-boner-how-a-dick-pic-receiver-got-her-revenge/comment-page-1/#comment-423254 |
fromafar2013, and of course the severity of the abuse makes a big difference in trying to figure out what sort of services victims need. Typically only those who've suffered extreme violence at their partner's hands will go to a shelter; these people are overwhelmingly women. The MRAs who demand an equal number of shelters for men because DV is supposedly equal are in fact imagining am equal demand for male shelters that isn't there. As it is, shelters for women generally also offer off-site shelter for men, in the form of hotel vouchers. But the MRAs have fetishised the idea of male shelters on the grounds that if women have them we gotta have them too. Not that they've undertaken any serious efforts to set any up, aside from Earl Silverman, who set one up in his home that served a tiny handful of men and which other MRAs provided scant support to while he was still alive. CAFE has raised some money for a "men's center" since his death but they have nowhere near enough to run a shelter and it's really unclear what on earth their "men's center" is going to actually accomplish. If MRAs actually cared about male victims of DV, they would work with DV experts and conduct studies/surveys to figure out what services that male DV victims actually would benefit from the most. I rather doubt that male shelters would be at the top of the list. | 2014-02-16T01:09:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/12/a-voice-for-men-boldly-opposes-respect-for-women/comment-page-5/#comment-423242 |
Note to the commenter trying to post comments under the name "[person's name] is a pedophile," I'm not going to let comments through if you use that name, even though I'm obviously no fan of the person you're talking about either. | 2014-02-15T16:35:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/10/some-of-the-comments-i-dont-let-through/comment-page-5/#comment-422874 |
@Weirwoodtreehugger Yesterday at the grocery store I saw a lesbian couple shopping together. It was so cute! They were piling their cart full of Valentine's Day chocolates and cakes and giggling. But then I saw them at the checkout, and they were yelling at each other. "I thought you were going to pay for it!" "I thought YOU were!" And then they both lay down on the floor and cried. |
2014-02-15T14:09:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/14/crush-mr-right-is-this-googles-gynocentric-valentines-day-message/comment-page-2/#comment-422795 |
I once dated a woman who made a giant deal out of Valentine's day, and got really mad at me when the flowers I ordered for her didn't arrive at her workplace on V-day, even though (as I explained to her) the place I had gotten them from had guaranteed that they would. I broke up with her shortly afterwards, in part because I didn't want to be dating someone like that. I didn't turn that experience into an excuse to join a movement devoted to hating women. Because no one was forcing me to date her, and in fact almost all of the women I've ever dated have wanted to go dutch. I've paid for a couple of women's dinners; a couple of women have paid for my dinners. One woman paid half my plane ticket so I could fly halfway across the country to see her. The descriptions of the horrible "gynocentric" dating world that I see from MRAs all the time -- from Warren Farrell to Mr. Taylor here -- bear no resemblance to the world I inhabit. |
2014-02-14T21:44:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/14/crush-mr-right-is-this-googles-gynocentric-valentines-day-message/comment-page-1/#comment-422454 |
"A Voice for Cats?" HERE is the TRUE Voice for Cats: http://cat.www.avoiceformen.com.meowbify.com/ |
2014-02-14T18:43:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/14/crush-mr-right-is-this-googles-gynocentric-valentines-day-message/comment-page-1/#comment-422315 |
Jonathan, your misogyny is not actually all that terribly well hidden; read the comments here to see some discussion of some of your misogynisitic assumptions. As for the rest, enjoy your delusions. We certainly do. |
2014-02-14T18:28:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/14/crush-mr-right-is-this-googles-gynocentric-valentines-day-message/comment-page-1/#comment-422306 |
So sad to hear about Lana/DallasApple! I'm sending good thoughts her way. Thank you so much for posting, nynaeve. Please keep us updated. Probably the best place to post is in the open thread. http://manboobz.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/ |
2014-02-14T02:09:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/12/james-taranto-of-the-wsj-drunk-women-who-are-raped-may-be-as-guilty-as-their-rapists/comment-page-3/#comment-421576 |
House mouse, the amazing thing is that Elam has been married multiple times. | 2014-02-14T01:45:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/13/a-voice-for-men-presents-the-vagina-related-slur-redacted-monologues/comment-page-1/#comment-421561 |
katz, I think he may have confused women with Barbie dolls. | 2014-02-13T19:37:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/13/a-voice-for-men-presents-the-vagina-related-slur-redacted-monologues/comment-page-1/#comment-421303 |
Maude, ha! Glad someone else noticed that too. He's so completely un-self-aware. | 2014-02-13T18:09:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/13/a-voice-for-men-presents-the-vagina-related-slur-redacted-monologues/comment-page-1/#comment-421225 |
emily, well, my using the picture was an Arrested Development reference. It looks like the sailboat was actually named that; I don't know if that was a joke or a reference or what. | 2014-02-13T18:07:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/13/a-voice-for-men-presents-the-vagina-related-slur-redacted-monologues/comment-page-1/#comment-421223 |
I don't read it regularly any more, as I used to when writing about money stuff, but the WSJ's reporting is really solid. It's the editorial section (and its online offshoot, headed up by Taranto) that's off in its own right-wing universe. | 2014-02-12T23:10:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/12/james-taranto-of-the-wsj-drunk-women-who-are-raped-may-be-as-guilty-as-their-rapists/comment-page-1/#comment-420444 |
That image led me -- and now I can't even remember how -- to an even creepier one on the same theme. It was posted on hookingupsmart, but didn't originate there. I'm not a fan of Susan Walsh, but I'm happy to report that she was mocking this kind of "jailbait is best" bullshit: http://i0.wp.com/www.hookingupsmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/proofjbisbest.png?resize=789%2C459 |
2014-02-11T06:43:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/10/some-of-the-comments-i-dont-let-through/comment-page-2/#comment-418534 |
Someone was apparently inspired by my post to leave a creepy pedo-ish comment and a link to this highly scientific diagram, which (a little google image search reveals) has been making the rounds on 99chan, 7chan, bodybuilding.com and other assorted sites: http://img.ie/images/onzlz.png |
2014-02-11T05:30:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/10/some-of-the-comments-i-dont-let-through/comment-page-2/#comment-418494 |
Dang, Kittehs. I would happily pipe some cool and non-smoke-filled air to you from here if I could. It's -2 (fahrenheit) here in Chicago at the moment. | 2014-02-11T02:54:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/08/mens-rights-white-knights-rush-in-to-protect-karen-girlwriteswhat-straughan-from-mra-criticism/comment-page-6/#comment-418390 |
Josorio. just so you know, I'm not obliged to post links to articles full of lies about me. Indeed, at this point, I'm not going to let through any comments of yours with links in them, and you'e pretty close to being banned altogether for your transphobic bullshit. | 2014-02-11T01:01:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/10/some-of-the-comments-i-dont-let-through/comment-page-1/#comment-418318 |
Marie nails it! It was Pell! (Honorable metion to Shadow.) The prize is an autographed picture of Montgomery Clift, but you have to get it from Pell. |
2014-02-10T21:02:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/08/mens-rights-white-knights-rush-in-to-protect-karen-girlwriteswhat-straughan-from-mra-criticism/comment-page-5/#comment-418161 |
.... and, yes, it turns out Maria is a sockpuppet too, and has been banned. (In my defense, these sockpuppets use different IPs all the time, and usually start out with fairly innocuous posts.) Does anyone want to put in bets on who it was? |
2014-02-10T18:12:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/08/mens-rights-white-knights-rush-in-to-protect-karen-girlwriteswhat-straughan-from-mra-criticism/comment-page-5/#comment-418015 |
Also, yes, I am a secret Jew Illuminatus. My parents probably shouldn't have gone with the Jewish first name, huh? Dead giveaway. Oy vey. | 2014-02-10T17:58:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/08/mens-rights-white-knights-rush-in-to-protect-karen-girlwriteswhat-straughan-from-mra-criticism/comment-page-4/#comment-418001 |
So it turns out that Mejas IS a sockpuppet of an old banned troll, Abnoy, who was banned (if I recall correctly) for repeatedly saying creepy things about underaged girls. So the "women getting used up" stuff is completely consistent with that. Either that or it's someone with the same ideas and writing style who posts from the exact same location on an island nation in the pacific that accounts for only a fraction of a percentage of this site's traffic. I suppose it could be that. |
2014-02-10T17:55:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/08/mens-rights-white-knights-rush-in-to-protect-karen-girlwriteswhat-straughan-from-mra-criticism/comment-page-4/#comment-417997 |
Mejas, you do realize that women are not, in fact, "used up" by having sex with men other than you. | 2014-02-10T07:14:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/08/mens-rights-white-knights-rush-in-to-protect-karen-girlwriteswhat-straughan-from-mra-criticism/comment-page-4/#comment-417722 |
Ally, YOU didn't do anything to HIM! He's the one who forced you into this situation. He's the one who's doing this to himself. If he were willing to accept you for who you are none of this would be an issue. He's the abuser, not you! | 2014-02-09T18:56:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-4/#comment-417178 |
Ha. One of my cats just came up behind me on the couch and gently tapped me on my shoulder to get my attention. My other cat climbs on top of me probably 30 times a day and shoves her face in my face. Cats aren't aloof alpha assholes getting tips from The Red Pill subreddit. At least not towards people they know and like. (Well, ok, my last cat hated everyone but me, and sometimes attacked me as well, but she had a very rough childhood, I'm pretty sure. I rescued her as a stray.) Oh, and on the "white knight" thing, HeatherN's comment pretty much expresses exactly what I was thinking with that. I debated whether or not to use the term, but decided to use it -- with a giant dollop of irony -- primarily because GWW uses it ALL THE TIME and is constantly accusing feminist women who are being harassed by men of "damseling" and inviting the harassment upon themselves in order to get attention from "white knights." The giant irony being, of course, that her MRA fanboys treat her so much like a damsel in distress that they don't even want her to face even mild criticism *from other MRAs*. It's not a term I would use outside of this or some very similar context. |
2014-02-09T02:32:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/08/mens-rights-white-knights-rush-in-to-protect-karen-girlwriteswhat-straughan-from-mra-criticism/comment-page-2/#comment-416145 |
Buttboy, I will remove someone's comments if they've inadvertantly revealed personal information, and in certain other exceptional circumstances, but not because someone doesn't like the reception their comments have gotten. | 2014-02-09T02:13:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/dating-by-the-numbers-why-hacking-okcupid-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/comment-page-4/#comment-416129 |
That Japanese game show, wow. I don't think they'll be bringing that one to the US any time soon. | 2014-02-08T21:49:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/dating-by-the-numbers-why-hacking-okcupid-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/comment-page-3/#comment-415735 |
Talking to people I know who've used OKCupid, I do think there is something to their algorithms. I know best friends who signed up for the site; they ended up with a 99% match to each other. On Woody Allen, if you haven't read Maureen Orth's original 1992 Vanity Fair article on the allegations, and you have the stomach for it, I highly recommend you read it. It convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did indeed assault Dylan. (I mean, I was pretty sure already after reading Dylan's statement, but ... just read the piece.) http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/archive/1992/11/farrow199211 Orth also has a piece responding to some of the junk that's been said about the case in recent days, including some of what Woody said in his appalling NYT statement. http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts?mbid=social_twitter |
2014-02-07T23:17:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/dating-by-the-numbers-why-hacking-okcupid-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/comment-page-1/#comment-414505 |
No, OkCupid lets you see people regardless of match score. I've noticed looking at the CreepyPMs subreddit that a lot of the creepy messages are sent by guys with really really low match ratings who are obviously only looking at the pictures. There was some controversy a while ago about whether or not OkCupid was hiding profiles of users who were rated more attractive from some of the other users; I'm not sure what the deal is with that. |
2014-02-07T17:23:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/dating-by-the-numbers-why-hacking-okcupid-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/comment-page-1/#comment-414248 |
Ally, yikes! You may want to get a restraining order; I imagine that email would be more than enough evidence for them to grant you one, even beyond a temporary restraining order. You're an adult. He has no right to stalk you, even if he is your father. If you need me to delete any comments here that you feel might reveal information, let me know. I can also set up a private subforum that you can mod (and decide the membership in) in the forum. |
2014-02-07T14:51:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-414178 |
Ally, hope you got a good night sleep and that's all's well. Keep us posted, power grid willing. Also, since this thread has gotten long and a little unweildy, I've started up a new thread to continue the discussion here: http://manboobz.com/2014/02/07/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-february-2014-edition/ |
2014-02-07T12:47:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-january-2014-pretty-cats-make-hats-edition/comment-page-9/#comment-414124 |
Ally, I'm happy for you! That wasn't the message I was expecting from him. But I think you're right to be cautious, and to take your next steps on your own timetable. You're the one who knows what's right for you. | 2014-02-06T19:41:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-january-2014-pretty-cats-make-hats-edition/comment-page-8/#comment-413729 |
Ally, you're incredibly brave! Do whatever you need to do to feel safe. I think email was the right choice. | 2014-02-06T18:51:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-january-2014-pretty-cats-make-hats-edition/comment-page-8/#comment-413692 |
sereph, no, it's in that first block quote, they're all alphas because once upon a time, allegedly, the sperm banks only took, er, deposits from med students and "college men." Who are all alphas, apparently. (Or at least they are for the purposes of this argument. The manosphere does not otherwise seem terribly enamored of people who've spend a lot of time in academia.) | 2014-02-06T18:43:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/06/sperm-banks-prelude-to-male-enslavement/comment-page-1/#comment-413689 |
sparky, they've come up with a new meaning for "hypergamy," which they now use to mean "evil wimminz will desert you in a second as soon as some alpha cad comes walking by because they're all evil golddigging whores but the cads don't have money so they then have to find a beta dude once they hit the wallllllllllll." | 2014-02-06T18:37:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/06/sperm-banks-prelude-to-male-enslavement/comment-page-1/#comment-413683 |
Women all have phony government jobs, or they're women's studies professors, with their salaries subsidized by men working dangerous jobs. | 2014-02-06T15:53:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/06/sperm-banks-prelude-to-male-enslavement/comment-page-1/#comment-413548 |
Yeah, I was baffled at first by the apparent lack of betas to provide beta bucks until I realized that he was suggesting that BIG DADDY government was taking beta bucks in the form of taxes and giving them to the ladies and their alpha spawn, and that this was what he was getting at with all this:
future legislation and social engineering to enlist men (either publicly or privately) in the provisioning of this new breed of motherhood.Of course this assumes that women don't have jobs and that all taxes are paid by beta males. But it gave me a chance to use my "only men pay taxes apparently" tag. |
2014-02-06T15:51:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/06/sperm-banks-prelude-to-male-enslavement/comment-page-1/#comment-413546 |
I don't know how much experience Forney has had with women, and his piece is odious regardless. But I don't think that he's really the master manipulator that he's portraying himself as; while he's got the abuser's logic down, his writing in this post doesn't really have the ring of authenticity to it. I think it's fantasy, fleshed out by reading about abuse. He wrote this piece to offend people, not because he does all this shit in his actual relationships (assuming he actually has any, which, for the sake of argument, let's assume he does). I don't doubt that he's an abusive asshole in real life; I just don't think he's some sort of svengali of abuse. None of that makes this post of his any less awful, really. His fans on the blog are certainly taking his "advice" seriously. |
2014-02-06T05:14:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/05/attention-seeking-manosphere-douchebag-offers-how-to-guide-for-abusive-boyfriends/comment-page-4/#comment-413246 |
Ally, so glad you're safe and sound with Katz! | 2014-02-06T02:22:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-january-2014-pretty-cats-make-hats-edition/comment-page-8/#comment-413170 |
Buttboy, my "history" with Forney is that I have a history of reading his horrible shit. My tone may be nastier with him than with a lot of the people I write about, largely because the stuff he writes is worse. Some of the people I write about make dumb misogynistic comments; Forney writes how-to guides to abuse. | 2014-02-05T23:55:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/05/attention-seeking-manosphere-douchebag-offers-how-to-guide-for-abusive-boyfriends/comment-page-3/#comment-413107 |
Congrats, Ally! | 2014-02-05T12:36:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-january-2014-pretty-cats-make-hats-edition/comment-page-7/#comment-412626 |
Ally, so shitty that you've had to put up with that shit from your dad. You don't deserve that. No one does. Justabrowngirl, Cassandra, so sorry you had to endure that shit from your abusers as well, glad you got away from them. I had an ex years ago who threatened suicide to keep me in the relationship. And it worked, for a while, though I was miserable in the relationship and trying my best to figure a way out, because I really thought she might do it. |
2014-02-02T07:35:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/01/omegle-perv-send-me-bewbz-or-i-might-just-have-to-kill-myself/comment-page-2/#comment-410839 |
Susan, who are you responding to? | 2014-02-01T20:25:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/01/omegle-perv-send-me-bewbz-or-i-might-just-have-to-kill-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-410597 |
I suppose sending shitty messages out to women becuase you expect to get rejected could be considered a male "deffense mechanism" but it's also1) a shitty thing to do and 2) totally self-sabotaging. It's the sort of thing petulant teenagers do, but most petulant teenagers grow out of it pretty quickly. I'm not going to get into my own dating history, because MRAs, but as a freelance writer, especially just starting out, you have to send out a lot of queries to new editors. A lot of them get turned down. It hurts. So there's a certain temptation to do a half-assed job on the queries because "they'll probably just get rejected anyway." Sometimes half-assed queries do actually get picked up. But if you do this consistently, guess what? YOU WON'T GET ENOUGH ASSIGNMENTS. Because half-assed queries suck. You do much better to write carefully thought out queries that are decently researched and appropriate for the publication in question. And if you do what buttboy is talking about, and send dick pics instead of queries you will get no assignments and will instead be reported to the authorities. (I assume; I never tried that approach.) The guys who send out dick pics are lucky that more women don't report them. These guys who spam every woman on OKCupid with some generic message and complain about being rejected? You SHOULD be rejected for doing that. |
2014-02-01T16:28:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/31/the-tell-her-her-soul-is-dog-sht-dude-declares-that-im-a-misogyny-pimp/comment-page-3/#comment-410460 |
BRB, I just heard the plaintive moan of a guy who doesn't value his sexuality about to send a dick pic to some woman he doesn't know. I must go soothe him and make him feel better about himself. | 2014-01-31T21:03:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/31/the-tell-her-her-soul-is-dog-sht-dude-declares-that-im-a-misogyny-pimp/comment-page-1/#comment-410116 |
Thanks, Cloudiah! And everyone else! I just noticed that everyone in the poodle pic is wearing hello kitty party hats. |
2014-01-31T20:10:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/31/giant-blinking-thanks-pledge-drive-is-over/comment-page-1/#comment-410086 |
MEZ, can I ask you to step back from this discussion? I think at this point continuing it is upsetting to too many people here. | 2014-01-31T17:01:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/29/mens-rights-redditors-confused-angered-by-random-womans-obvious-joke-about-spermjacking-some-dude/comment-page-5/#comment-409988 |
Gizmo's Mom, yeah, there's still a donate button in the sidebar; if you can't access it on mobile, you can also scroll down to the older entries on the main page and they still have donate buttons. You can donate with a credit card through paypal without signing up for a paypal account. And thanks! |
2014-01-30T19:35:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/faq/comment-page-6/#comment-409477 |
Cloudiah, what are you talking about! I'm jealous of "pube terror," "war capybara," and "udders under skirt." The thing that perplexes me about the search terms I get is the number of (guys, presumably) who just sit down at their computers and type generic statements of their hatred of women into Google. I mean, are they hoping that Google will talk back to them, tell them "I know buddy, ladies are the worst, have another beer." |
2014-01-30T15:49:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/30/search-term-extravaganza-part-2-all-your-questions-answered/comment-page-1/#comment-409252 |
buttboy, did you respond to any of them? Because that's what he did, and that seems to be what really set the guys off. Reading through Reddit's creepyPM subreddit, that seems to be a common theme with online creepers: a polite first message from the guy, a polite rejection from the woman, then a frothing, abusive, often crudely sexual response from the guy. So if you didn't respond, you didn't actually recreate what he did at all, so you didn't actually prove he was full of shit. And you did get a few crude messages anyway. Which would suggest that young women putting up dating profiles should brace themselves for literally hundreds of crude sexual come-ons per year. That's a little depressing. |
2014-01-29T01:21:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/28/tell-her-that-her-soul-is-dog-sht-dating-advice-from-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-5/#comment-408627 |
Ninjaed by cloudiah and cassandra. I sort of like Cassandra's idea. And it reminds me of this piece on Cracked. http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-things-i-learned-from-worst-online-dating-profile-ever/ |
2014-01-29T00:38:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/28/tell-her-that-her-soul-is-dog-sht-dating-advice-from-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-5/#comment-408614 |
I don't have any trouble believing the story, though I suspect he got it worse than most women do because he checked the "casual sex" box and also because he responded to the messages to tell the guys he wasn't interested, which generally makes them furious and can lead to nasty abuse. I know numerous women -- and women a lot older than the fake profile the reddit dude set up -- who've gotten really crude sexual come-ons on dating sites. I do think Jezebel should probably have thrown in some "according to his account" type phrases in the story, since they didn't independently verify it. But I'd like to hear more about your little experiement buttboy. When did you conduct it? Whose picture did you use? Did you check "casual sex" as an option? How did you describe yourself -- well, your fake woman dater? |
2014-01-29T00:35:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/28/tell-her-that-her-soul-is-dog-sht-dating-advice-from-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-5/#comment-408610 |
cupisnique, yikes. And of course that comment gets nothing but upvotes from other AVFMers. That's right, a dude confesses that he used to sexually harass women on dating sites by sending them rape fantasies, and the other guys there are all like, "yeah, you're right, those gals on dating sites are all a bunch of stuck up bitches." | 2014-01-28T19:03:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/28/tell-her-that-her-soul-is-dog-sht-dating-advice-from-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-2/#comment-408408 |
As far as I know nobody dresses up their fleshlight and sits it at the dinner table with them during meals.I think your overall point is valid. But you know there's at least one guy out there doing this. |
2014-01-28T18:54:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/28/tell-her-that-her-soul-is-dog-sht-dating-advice-from-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-2/#comment-408401 |
while his alleged partners just lie there like inflatable love-dolls.I'm thinking this needs at least one more "allegedly." BRB |
2014-01-28T17:32:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/28/tell-her-that-her-soul-is-dog-sht-dating-advice-from-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-2/#comment-408357 |
Jason actually refers to the story of the guy who put up the profile; he thinks the abuse he got is flattering to most women even though they say they don't like it. Some of the AVFM commenters -- all of whom seem to love his post -- think that women secretly love getting dick pics. |
2014-01-28T15:01:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/28/tell-her-that-her-soul-is-dog-sht-dating-advice-from-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-408258 |
You can also email me if you want to pass along emails to one another. Anyway, thanks to all who've donated since the last thank you! Push-ups. I used to be able to do those. |
2014-01-26T19:11:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/24/pledge-drive-fluffy-cat-rolling-in-money-edition/comment-page-3/#comment-407761 |
Sam-I-Was, as everyone else is saying, no need to feel guilty; he wants you and your spouse to have the money. I think it's probably your brain misdirecting some of the sorrow you feel at the thought of losing him. Argenti, so sorry to hear about SSI. And Ally, sorry you had to put up with that from your brother, |
2014-01-26T19:01:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-january-2014-pretty-cats-make-hats-edition/comment-page-4/#comment-407757 |
(and of course the "swinging alphas" line doesn't scan at all.) | 2014-01-26T16:22:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/26/heartiste-channels-stormfront-with-a-racist-song-parody-about-a-beta-male-cuckolded-by-a-mandingo/comment-page-1/#comment-407662 |
Oh, wait, there are rhymes within the lines, but even those fail much of the time. I've marked the ones that are supposed to rhyme -- italic with italic, bold with bold Cuckold suffering tolls, Hypergamy sings in the rooms of Freddie’s Mountain Dew mansion. Bear’s black mamba creams in his wife’s wet vajeen; Her asshole and mouth are for Bear’s fun. But where's the internal rhyme in the first line? In the one below, though, the first line does have an internal rhyme. But he also rhymes "know" with, er, "know" and "send her" with "inverse." And farther below, Freddie’s marital ho takes in what Bear’s privilege can send her, And Freddie will know as all swinging alphas know it’s two women-one man not the inverse. | 2014-01-26T16:20:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/26/heartiste-channels-stormfront-with-a-racist-song-parody-about-a-beta-male-cuckolded-by-a-mandingo/comment-page-1/#comment-407661 |
I don't know with the rhymes. Sometimes he seems to be going for rhymes, other times theyr'e not even vaguely close. I think in the first bitI quoted, "freddie" is supposed to rhyme with "darkies" and in the second, all the lines are supposed to rhyme: sings with vajeen; mansion with fun ho with know her with inverse I guess? I mean, only ho and know actually rhyme, but I think he was going for sort of half-rhymes with the others. |
2014-01-26T16:12:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/26/heartiste-channels-stormfront-with-a-racist-song-parody-about-a-beta-male-cuckolded-by-a-mandingo/comment-page-1/#comment-407655 |
And, Sam, like vaiyt said, if you want to pat yourself on the back because you're a man and men are the best warriors of peace. you need to also take responsibility for the bad things men have done. Take a look at the mob attacking the sit-in protesters in the first picture. Do you notice anything about them? Huh. They're all men. But, you know what, I don't actually hold you responsible for what they did. Because that's a little ridiculous. I also don't give you any credit because Martin Luther King was a man. Why exactly is it so important to you to pretend that women have never been heroes? The fact is, history isn't just made by men. Women are actors in history, for good and for bad. (Just as there were women in the front lines in the struggle for civil rights, there were women in the front lines opposing it -- as you can see in that picture of Elizabeth Eckford on the first day of school.) You're really not going to be able to understand the world unless you can accept this. |
2014-01-25T15:52:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/22/mens-rightsers-honor-martin-luther-king-by-talking-about-how-women-totally-suck-at-being-warriors-of-peace/comment-page-3/#comment-407328 |
Sam, Farrell said that "almost all" of those who put themselves at risk, or who are arrested, or killed, for peace (and by this he clearly means in any movement for social justice, anywhere in the world, otherwise he wouldn't have cited the names he did) are men. That's patent bullshit. He wasn't talking only about those who were killed. And he didn't just say that men were more likely to put themselves in risky situations, He said that ALMOST ALL of those who put themselves at risk OR who were arrested OR who were killed were men. That's just bullshit, and it reflects Farrell's underlying misogyny. You see the picture of the bus on fire I included in the post? There were both men and women in that bus when it was attacked by a white supremacist mob. They were equally at risk. It was a real risk. They could have been killed. When I was looking through pictures for this post I also found one of a 15-year old girl who was knocked unconscious by a white bigot during a protest. Do you want me to post that too? |
2014-01-25T15:39:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/22/mens-rightsers-honor-martin-luther-king-by-talking-about-how-women-totally-suck-at-being-warriors-of-peace/comment-page-3/#comment-407325 |
Oh, and the other thing I wanted to say is: I love what happened with this thread! You all managed to turn GT's obnoxious disruption into a really interesting and nuanced discussion of gender. With kitties. | 2014-01-25T07:58:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/24/pledge-drive-fluffy-cat-rolling-in-money-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-407199 |
Cloudiah, don't worry about me, take care of yourself! All the hugs! And MEZ, so sorry to hear about your mom. Thanks, again, everyone, for the kind words and the donations (and the impending donations). And the cat videos! As for that other issue, GT is banned for being a sockpuppet. But even if he weren't an obvious sock, he would deserve banning for marching into this thread, demanding that everyone talk about his pet topic, and throwing an angry, abusive tantrum when not everyone didn't. That's not rational discussion. That's called being rude and hostile and disruptive and narcissistic. Rarely has this cartoon been more appropriate: http://www.marriedtothesea.com/index.php?date=032112 I'm always a bit puzzled when MEN's rights activists get mad at feminists for focusing mainly on women and demanding that they devote equal time to men. How much time do MRAs devote to helping women? And not only that, but even if I were writing a blog focused mostly on men's issues, "media erasure of male victims" wouldn't be on my radar because, as people have pointed out elsewhere here, it's a bullshit argument. |
2014-01-25T07:52:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/24/pledge-drive-fluffy-cat-rolling-in-money-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-407197 |
Also, why is it my job to do things for MRAs, when MRAs aren't even bothering to do them. Set up your own blog and write about "media erasure of male victims" all you like. | 2014-01-24T21:41:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/24/pledge-drive-fluffy-cat-rolling-in-money-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-407039 |
You mean when the gender of the victim isn't mentioned because the journalist knows the reader will assume they are male, because, for example, they are prisoners of war or combatants, and most people in those categories are male? | 2014-01-24T21:39:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/24/pledge-drive-fluffy-cat-rolling-in-money-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-407038 |
Thanks for all the kind words and to everyone who donated since my last thank you! And I will do that 2013 wrapup, really I will! And soon, I hope. I've done some work on it; I just need to set aside a good chunk of time so i can do it up right. |
2014-01-24T18:36:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/24/pledge-drive-fluffy-cat-rolling-in-money-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-406975 |
Oh, and that's not my cat. I'm thinking it might be a reincarnation of Orson Welles, though. | 2014-01-24T13:42:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/24/pledge-drive-fluffy-cat-rolling-in-money-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-406920 |
Thanks, everyone, for the donations, big and small! | 2014-01-24T13:40:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/24/pledge-drive-fluffy-cat-rolling-in-money-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-406919 |
Ally, don't worry! Seriously. You contribute a ton to this blog with your comments! | 2014-01-24T11:26:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/24/pledge-drive-fluffy-cat-rolling-in-money-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-406886 |
And there's always Sleater-Kinney! | 2014-01-24T07:48:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/23/return-of-kings-beware-the-insidious-danger-of-the-short-haired-girl/comment-page-5/#comment-406844 |
LBT, really sorry to hear you've got an asshole stalker/harasser. Glad you've got a supportive roommate and a decent landlord. | 2014-01-24T05:40:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/23/return-of-kings-beware-the-insidious-danger-of-the-short-haired-girl/comment-page-5/#comment-406822 |
Hey, anyone remember that song, "when a man stands next to a woman?" | 2014-01-24T05:37:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/23/return-of-kings-beware-the-insidious-danger-of-the-short-haired-girl/comment-page-5/#comment-406821 |
Well, OH is annoying. So that's enough of him. | 2014-01-24T04:36:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-25/#comment-406815 |
And salicfee is indeed Kitt. Either that or they're BFFs with identical writing styles and opinions posting from the exact same location in Germany. Oh, Kitt, all you had to do to stay unnbanned and make it through moderation was to actually read and respond to other people's comments. And use the word "blorfle." But instead you sockpuppeted, so you're banned forever. |
2014-01-23T14:46:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/21/wil-wheaton-to-mras-youre-idiots-mras-yeah-well-youre-a-mangina-and-women-like-you-and-your-narration-is-bad/comment-page-6/#comment-406473 |
Apparently Tuthy's post has gone viral, as they say, and Roosh has written a little "publishers note" about it. I added some quotes, as well as some pics of Roosh and his various styish hairdos. | 2014-01-23T12:08:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/23/return-of-kings-beware-the-insidious-danger-of-the-short-haired-girl/comment-page-1/#comment-406387 |
Well, yeah, I'd google first, but you'd need to find something official from Boeing. | 2014-01-23T10:29:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/17/a-man-going-his-own-way-offers-a-plan-for-gender-equality-it-involves-killing-hundreds-of-thousands-of-women/comment-page-5/#comment-406330 |
I'm way behind, but I just think that this interview 2.0 question is sort of funny:
“How would you determine the weight of a 747?"I like the idea that Microsoft expects you to do some sort of clever math trick. If you were asked the question during an interview for a job in journalism, the answer would be pretty straightforward: You call up Boeing, and ask them. Or you could find some document on boeing's website listing the weight. I suppose if you had some suspicion that Boeing was lying about the weight of their 747s, you'd have to do some more complicated investigative work. But the last thing you'd do is some complicated math trick. |
2014-01-23T05:36:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/17/a-man-going-his-own-way-offers-a-plan-for-gender-equality-it-involves-killing-hundreds-of-thousands-of-women/comment-page-5/#comment-406283 |
Note: I've deleted a few comments, and edited a few others, that either quoted from Qwerty or referred to specific things she said. | 2014-01-23T04:44:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-19/#comment-406278 |
I'm putting kitt33 on moderation for being deliberately disruptive and not actually reading anyone else's comments before posting. So, kitt, if you want to keep posting here, you need to post the word "blorfle" in your next comment in this topic in order for me to let it through. That'll show me you're actually reading comments. If you do post that. er, word, you're still going to be on moderation, and I'll only let through comments that actually show you've read people's comments here. If you don't include the word "blorfle," you're banned. |
2014-01-23T01:05:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/17/a-man-going-his-own-way-offers-a-plan-for-gender-equality-it-involves-killing-hundreds-of-thousands-of-women/comment-page-5/#comment-406242 |
Qwerty asked me to delete her comments here so I have. I also deleted a comment quoting her, and as I catch up with the thread I'll delete any other quotes from her. | 2014-01-22T23:04:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-18/#comment-406221 |
Sorry for acting suspicious, qwerty; we get a lot of trolls and bullshitters stopping by here. You can do a lot better than him. I'm pretty sure about that! |
2014-01-22T09:41:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-18/#comment-405856 |
I am 99% sure that qwerty is not michael, and thinking she probaby is who she says she is. | 2014-01-22T09:21:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-17/#comment-405842 |
qwerty, I'm curious, how did you find michael on this blog? And did he really put you up in a penthouse in Charlotte for a week and spend "thousands" on you? |
2014-01-22T09:18:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-17/#comment-405840 |
Because your a women.A sentence only Mikey could write! Hey, remember that song, "When a men loves a women?" Anyway, Mikey, you never gave me your thoughts on the 40 year old woman I know who broke up with her Wall Street boyfriend when she was in her mid-30s even though he adored her and wanted to marry her and wasn't actually a bad guy, but she just couldn't se herself with him for the rest of her life. Anyhoo, so a year or two later she met an actor (like, a real working actor, has been on HBO, network shows, etc) just a couple of years older than her and now they have a baby together and live in manhattan. I mean, the dude is charming and handsome and funny and smart and considerate and a good dad, and, well, way more of a catch than you are, Mikey. Like a LOT more of a catch. I mean, if he wanted to, he could be dating 23 year olds HB8.347623s. Yet he isn't. Why might that be, Mikey? Do you have any idea? |
2014-01-22T06:00:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-17/#comment-405797 |
Well, I'm at least 100 comments behind here, but your new friend buttboy went and posted about you to r/mr. And it inspired a somewhat surrealistic discussion of this site, given that the people offering the opinions are people who've either never been to the site, or, if they have, have shut their brain off after reading perhaps a comment or two. And also they hate feminists, and me, and you all, and they're sort of idiots. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1vticq/commenters_at_manboobz_claim_that_im_engaging_in/ |
2014-01-22T04:30:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/21/wil-wheaton-to-mras-youre-idiots-mras-yeah-well-youre-a-mangina-and-women-like-you-and-your-narration-is-bad/comment-page-4/#comment-405774 |
marinerachel, I can't believe what a misorcaist you are. Wil wheaton's transphobic joke isn't cool; maybe he'll see some of the responses to it and realize he's being a dick. |
2014-01-21T19:35:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/21/wil-wheaton-to-mras-youre-idiots-mras-yeah-well-youre-a-mangina-and-women-like-you-and-your-narration-is-bad/comment-page-2/#comment-405481 |
It's kind of amazing how many of the serious men's human rights discussions of the serious men's human rights movement revolve around the serious men's human rights issue of why won't the hot babes have sex with me waaaaa | 2014-01-21T10:29:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/21/wil-wheaton-to-mras-youre-idiots-mras-yeah-well-youre-a-mangina-and-women-like-you-and-your-narration-is-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-405222 |
auggz, I use the reddit enhancement suite, which allows you to tag users to remember who they are. That's a quote from him, and helps to remind me that he actually believes that. | 2014-01-21T10:25:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/21/wil-wheaton-to-mras-youre-idiots-mras-yeah-well-youre-a-mangina-and-women-like-you-and-your-narration-is-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-405221 |
Im not sure I want my story linked from Reddit Red Pill page. Thousands of me. Visit that page everyday. That means thousands of people have read it without my permission.Did you really just write this? You know you posted your story on the internet, right? Not just in a word document on your computer. |
2014-01-21T03:13:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-16/#comment-405124 |
Mikey, you FOOL, your little story about the 18 white women is LINKED TO on the red pill subreddit. You know about links on the internet, right?
what’s your story David? What’s up with this blog? What’s your motivation for this forum?Are you just here to support whatever women define for you as correct or are you just the Urban Dictionary’s Definition of a Cuckhold?Well, one of the main reasons I do this blog is that I like to make assholes look like idiots. Weirdly, I've discovered that a lot of assholes are happy to come to my blog of their own free will and make themselves look like idiots, basically doing my job for me. See, for example, the comments of "Michael" in this thread. |
2014-01-20T22:22:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-15/#comment-405033 |
I went looking to see if I could find video of this incident, and found footage of what I think is a different march in chicago that summer -- though it might also be mislabeled footage of this march. I also put up a brief video that puts the marches in a broader context and explais what King was doing in Chicago that summer. There are some incredibly vile racists in the youtube comments to the footage of the march. I mean, bad even by youtube standards. It is worth noting that Chicago is still extremely residentially segregated, particularly when it comes to blacks and whites. Much of the south side is basically all black, and there are neightborhoods on the north side that are basically all white. There are also big areas that are essentially all Latino, though there are more mixed white/Latino areas than there are White/Black except for Hyde Park on the South Side. There are also chunks of the city that are more integrated. Or semi-integrated. Chicago has a lot of patchy segregation that sometimes happens almost on a block-by-block basis (or at least has very definite neighborhood boundaries). The block I live on is, I'm pretty sure, almost all white, but the area I live in is actually reasonably diverse. Here's a very detailed ethnic map of chicago, which I find endlessly fascinating. There are similar maps for a number of other cities. http://www.radicalcartography.net/index.html?chicagodots |
2014-01-20T19:13:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/20/remembering-martin-luther-kings-courage/comment-page-1/#comment-404847 |
They showed a bit of footage from this march on MSNBC a little while ago (just as background footage while talking about MLK) and some of it looked like it was of this exact moment; he didn't fall to the ground but kept on marching. So it looks like the photo is not a photo of him being hit by the rock that knocked him to the ground, but of him at another point being hit by another rock. I wonder how many times he was hit by rocks and other things during the march? Amazing courage, all those marchers. |
2014-01-20T18:18:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/20/remembering-martin-luther-kings-courage/comment-page-1/#comment-404813 |
kit33 shows up, makes a simplistic "argument" barely worthy of being called an "argument," receives a number of lengthy and thoughtful answers, far more thoughtful than he deserves. He returns, apparently doesn't read them, resorts to namecalling, and flounces. Brilliant. | 2014-01-20T18:07:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/30/girlwriteswhats-delusional-defenses-of-mgtow-misogyny-also-mary-daly-and-why-the-moon-is-not-a-potato/comment-page-6/#comment-404805 |
Charlotte, I'm not watching 50 minutes of Elam and Co on MLK day. Why don't you transcribe and timestamp the worst bits and get back to me. | 2014-01-20T17:56:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/20/remembering-martin-luther-kings-courage/comment-page-1/#comment-404800 |
Fun fact: Michael's story (the one posted in the comments at Dalrock) is listed in the sidebar of the Red Pill subreddit, as the ultimate "women are terrible so you better become an alpha asshole" testimonial. | 2014-01-20T02:27:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-13/#comment-404493 |
I love it when people accuse me of writing all the comments on Man Boobz. Because I barely have time to read them alll! I only just caught up with this thread now, and it's nearly 5 am on a Saturday night. I will confess that I have been known to ask women "hey, you want to fool around?" I dunno, seems to be an easy way to find out if they want to fool around, though generally when I ask it I'm already pretty sure the answer will be yes and in fact that is the answer I always have gotten. No woman has ever left because they were disgusted that I asked. |
2014-01-19T04:47:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-12/#comment-403972 |
I don't think "the other jim" has any connection to "john the other." As for the barbarians, my guess is that he's probably thinking of Muslims. but who knows. |
2014-01-18T21:40:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/18/the-apocalypse-of-the-other-jim-how-lorde-and-lena-dunham-are-destroying-western-civilization-allegedly/comment-page-1/#comment-403845 |
I should also note, regarding the woman now living with the actor, that he's really an awesome guy, very funny, nice, considerate, a great dad. She absolutely made the right choice in not "settling" for the Wall Street dude. (I don't think any of her earlier boyfriends were thinking marriage; they were in their 20s.) | 2014-01-18T05:36:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-9/#comment-403592 |
Oh, man. I've only just now caught up with this thread. It's weird to think that Mikey here has probably written more on my blog than I have in the last few days. There are a few things that stick out. Charlotte, NC?! Mikey, THAT's where you decided to take your 23 year old HB8 (but 10 to you) gf? You're in LA (you claim) but decided to fly her all the way across the country to, what, visit Ray’s Splash Planet, a 29,000-square-foot indoor water park and fitness facility, or the NASCAR SpeedPark, or possibly the President James K. Polk State Historic Site? I found all those here: http://www.charlottesgotalot.com/101-fun-things-to-do-in-charlotte I mean, you're in fucking LA. You could take her to Vegas, or San Francisco, or Big Sur, or Yosemite, or Cabo, or Catalina, or Aspen, or any of a zillion places that would be, you know 1) in or near the Western US and 2) more interesting than Charlotte, NC. I mean, nothing against Charlotte, NC, which I'm sure is a pleasant enough place to live, but since when do dudes try to impress their 23 year old gfs by flying them literally across the entire continent to visit it? And then this whole "no one's going to want you/marry you after you're 30" bit. First of all, what woman in her 20s is going to want to marry herself to a guy who thinks she's going to "hit the wall" at 30 and become a hideous disgusting beast by age 40? Second, you guys can keep repeating this all you want -- and you obviously love repeating it -- but everyone knows it isn't true. Women in their 30s and 40s aren't being ignored or rejected. Let's see. I know one woman who dated various guys in her 20s. (Not a giant number, but she didn't go rushing into marriage.) In her 30s, instead of being left sad and lonely, she ended up in a long-term relationship with a 40-something Wall Street quant guy who had oodles of money and adored her and wanted to marry her and have kids with her. In the end she decided that she couldn't see spending the rest of her life with him, so in her late 30s she broke up with him. Had she thrown away her one chance for happiness in life? Well, no. Before too long she started dating an actor a couple of years older than her (I'm trying to keep things a little vague here, but he's constantly working and has had recurring roles in a couple of well-known HBO and network series). Now they live together on the upper west side in Manhattan and have a baby together. She's 40. I know another 40 year old who's been dating (for a while now) a guy in his twenties. I know a poly married woman, also about 40, who was regularly seeing a half-dozen partners, male and female, of various ages. She had to cut back only because she needs to get her dissertation done. I regularly talk to women in their 40s and 50s who get hit on by younger guys all the time. Mikey, no matter how hard you yell, the world just doesn't work the way you say it does. |
2014-01-18T05:14:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-9/#comment-403578 |
If you want to see further evidence of the extent of Fisto's delusions, here's the thread he made about it on Roosh's forum. Evidently some of you have the hots for him. Also, I apparently lust after all the manosphere dudes too, though I think it was someone else who had that theory. Also, you are all me. http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-32201.html Apparently he and "Carlos" are BFFs who share the same apartment. |
2014-01-17T22:04:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-11/#comment-403405 |
Afterwards you can go to the grocery store to “pick up a few things” while you orbit the aisles and pray for what appears to be a quality man your own age – hoping he will notice you. And if that doesn’t work you can put yourself into his personal space and ask him dumb questionsYeah, every time I go to the store it's full of "post-wall" SPINSTERS in tight miniskirts, pushing empty carts, desperately trying to get the attention of men. "Excuse me, sir, could you tell me what kind of sausage, wink wink, might go best with my eggs, wink wink wink." And yes, these ladies say the word "wink" out loud. Because they are SPINSTERS and they don't know how to approach men. The men just laugh, and head for the checkout counter with their condoms and vodka, 22-year-old model girlfriends in tow |
2014-01-17T18:15:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-8/#comment-403302 |
Oy. Sorry, I was away for awhile. I haven't completely caught up with the discussion here, but FISTO is banned for lying, rape apology, generaly assholery, and sock puppeting. Sock puppeting? Our dear FISTO? Sadly, yes. For you see, when I went to read through his comments on my dashboard by clicking on his IP, all of CARLOS' comments came up too! So either the two are the same person or they are the two bestest best friends who share all the same opinions and the same IP. So Carlos is banned too. "Christian McQueen," FWIW, is a recognized personality in the manosphere. He's using a different IP, albeit a phony one. |
2014-01-17T17:42:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-11/#comment-403275 |
I live in a gorgeous mansion in the Hollywood hills with an infinity pool and a fantastic view of all of Los Angel ... wait. In the Vinewood Hills. With a view of Los Santos. In Grand Theft Auto 5. Crap. so close. But I enjoy my part-time, wholly imaginary life in Los Santos a lot more than Michael seems to enjoy his full-time, quite possibly imaginary life in Los Angeles. |
2014-01-16T21:58:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-7/#comment-402703 |
I think Fisto may have been going for a Big Lebowski reference with the "zesty" bit, but he's not really worthy of the quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMc5BEYVjqs |
2014-01-16T21:32:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-5/#comment-402679 |
Fisto, if you spit in someone's mouth nonconsensually, that's assault. If you spit in someone's mouth nonconsensually while fucking them, at the very least that's sexual assault. If you're pressuring someone to do nonconsensual things -- like open their mouth to have it spit in -- while fucking them, and they feel they have to comply, I think that suggests that their consent to the sexual act at that point is no longer a given. That would make it rape. |
2014-01-16T21:05:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-4/#comment-402637 |
(I should have specified cis women in my last comment, but obviously with Fisto we're talking basic reductive gender binary stuff.) | 2014-01-16T20:59:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-4/#comment-402627 |
Fisto, I'm glad you're aware that women have g-spots and all, but, you know, not all women are identical, and different women like to get off in different ways. | 2014-01-16T20:53:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-4/#comment-402617 |
Fisto, really, dude, your piece was all about consent? Really? I mean, aside from the bit where she says no and you go ahead and do it anyway, which I quotes and others have pointed out many times already, there's this bit I didn't quote:
I don’t want to hear any whining about how women are equal and that’s immoral etc etc. Woman are like children (yes yes, so are most men since they are beta males but I’m not wanting to date/bang them), and we’ve all seen those little brats running around behaving poorly when they aren’t put in check. So don’t preach to me about respecting children. Women crave to be disciplined and align themselves with a stronger male persona. This is a primal, genetic, trait. Arguing against it is a waste of all of our time.This isn't consent. This is you bossing women around, and "disciplining" them and "keeping them in check" and ASSUMING that this is what they REALLY want because of a bunch of reasons youv'e cooked up. Again, we're telling you that you CAN'T ASSUME all women want this. Some women do enjoy being sexually submissive -- at least with partners of their choosing whom they trust. But it's not "female nature" and if you start slapping and spitting on a woman who doesn't want this, and ignore her "no" because you think you know that she REALLY wants it, you're a fucking rapist, and by giving out this advice without EXPLICITLY talking about consent, you're teaching men how to rape. Now maybe you've left out the part of the story in which these women indicated very clearly in various ways that they WERE into this sort of thing, and that the whimpering and the "nos" were all part of some sort of sexual roleplay. But nothing about your post suggested this. Generally speaking the only way you get to treat a "no" during sex as anything other than a real "no" is if you've had an explicit negotiation beforehand, and you've set up a separate safeword for your partner to use when they really mean no. If you want to play rough, go read about how people in the BDSM handle the issues of consent, of negotiation, of safewords. Read about the responsibility for the "top" to monitor the well-being of the "bottom" even when the bottom may be explicitly or implicitly asking for more. And don't write what are essentially rape how-to guides. |
2014-01-16T20:46:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-4/#comment-402598 |
Fisto, if you're such a dominant badass alpha dog, why do you care what we think of you? But anyway: you wrote a comment on your own post that said "spit in a woman's mouth even if she says no." Then you came here and called the commenters a bunch of "bitter, angry women and manginas that never actually get laid because their bodies are so disgusting or their personalities are reflexions of their bodies." And then you complained that *we're* being "insensitive" to you. I mean, come on, that's just a teensy bit whiny, you have to admit. |
2014-01-16T20:27:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-3/#comment-402565 |
Fisto, I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but this last comment of yours is extremely beta. | 2014-01-16T20:06:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-3/#comment-402539 |
On the ab thing, so I was telling a friend about it and instead of dismissing it at once as ridiculous as I had, she said that she'd heard the ex-wife of a professional athelete on some radio show talking about how his lower ab muscles (which do go all the way down to the dick) were developed enough that she could rub her clit against them and actually have an orgasm this way. But this was only when she was on top. So I guess she was the alpha dog. |
2014-01-16T19:23:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-3/#comment-402505 |
I'm pretty sure "Micheal" isn't a sockpuppet, or at least not the sockpuppet of you-know-who. Pretty sure most of what he's saying about himself is bullshit, though. | 2014-01-16T18:09:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-6/#comment-402447 |
No, Michael is right. I didn't let through a comment of his that was unnecessarily personal. The gist of it was that some commenter's husband was a loser. And some other observations of similar value. Perhaps in the interest of FREE SPEECH I should have let it through, but I don't think the world has lost much in being denied these pearls of wisdom. | 2014-01-16T17:39:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-6/#comment-402426 |
Ah, I've been ninjaed by a bunch of people who discovered Fisto and Carlos on their own, | 2014-01-16T16:35:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-2/#comment-402383 |
You lay want to scroll back to the first page for some comments I just let through moderation, including one from FISTO himself, and one from a FISTO supporter, both of which demonstrate some rather fundamental, er, misunderstandings about consent. To them I say: Yes, some people (not just women) like being slapped during sex. Yes, some people (not just women) like being spit on during sex. But you can't just start slapping and/or spitting on your sex partner in hopes that they're into that -- and in the mood for it at that moment -- any more than you can simply go up to someone on the street and punch them, and hope that they're into boxing. Kink needs to be negotiated in advance. Or your partner needs to give you a clear indication during sex that they're open to it; saying "spank me" would be a pretty clear invitation, for example. This stuff isn't rocket science. Fisto and pals: If you've actually done some of this with a partner (without talking it over first) and gotten away with it, it means either that 1) you're incredibly lucky that you found someone that was into it, in the mood for it, and who didn't care that you didn't negotiate any of this beforehand or 2) your partner was too intimidated/freaked out/whatever to say no or to resist or to keep saying no when you ignored her initial no, which means, congratulations, you have in fact committed sexual assault, nothing "false" about it. |
2014-01-16T16:34:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/comment-page-2/#comment-402382 |
Ally, I think your statement is great! The only thing that struck me as strange was the apology, but obviously you're in a better position to understand why you would consider including that than I am. | 2014-01-15T22:32:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-january-2014-pretty-cats-make-hats-edition/comment-page-3/#comment-402091 |
cloudiah, that's hilarious. I love that the only person talking sense in that discussion is downvoted and derided. Gender is for SISSIES! | 2014-01-15T21:39:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/15/a-voice-for-men-calls-tory-shepherd-a-liar-for-saying-it-calls-women-whores-then-it-calls-her-a-whore/comment-page-1/#comment-402074 |
Brooked, no apology necessary! Also, JB tries to suggest that Groth isn't REALLY arguing what he seems to be arguing in that paragraph, but if you go look at the post it's from, it's abundantly clear from it that he absolutely is arguing that. |
2014-01-15T21:34:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/15/a-voice-for-men-calls-tory-shepherd-a-liar-for-saying-it-calls-women-whores-then-it-calls-her-a-whore/comment-page-1/#comment-402072 |
Everyone knows that the taverns back then discriminated against men with Wenches Nights. | 2014-01-15T19:20:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/15/a-voice-for-men-calls-tory-shepherd-a-liar-for-saying-it-calls-women-whores-then-it-calls-her-a-whore/comment-page-1/#comment-402021 |
Ally, your critique was thoughtful and quite generous, considering. They're just downvoting you because you interrupted their circlejerk. Their hatred of feminism isn't based on logic or understanding so they don't really care if the essay makes sense or is persuasive in any conventional sense. | 2014-01-14T20:48:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/14/feminisms-essence-is-that-of-a-greedy-quest-mens-rights-essayist-explains/comment-page-1/#comment-401695 |
Uh, divorce rates aren't "skyrocketing." They skyrocketed in the 70s, and have fallen considerably since then. Here's a chart. http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/files/2009/12/divorce_rate_zoom_out.jpg |
2014-01-14T16:11:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/faq/comment-page-6/#comment-401528 |
Question here: There has been research -- I'm pretty sure -- suggesting that when women make up something like 30% of a group, it's seen as being dominated by women. Or something similar. Does anyone know where I might track down this research? | 2014-01-14T13:49:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/11/men-going-their-own-way-blather-endlessly-about-how-women-wont-shut-up/comment-page-3/#comment-401450 |
I added a clarification to the OP; as cupisnique noted, most of the Male Studies courses have been rejected so far, except one having to do with health. Weirdly, Gary Misan (the guy who proposes the courses) seems to think that the school has committed to more of them in the future. In any case, the school is definitely disowning them now, so maybe the school had sort of given him some encouragement about them in the past but this controversy has left them feeling skittish about them? If true, this basically means that Den Hollander and AVFM basically torpedoed Male Studies at the U of Southern Australia with their blatant misogyny. |
2014-01-13T21:50:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/13/australian-male-studies-initiative-under-fire-because-of-its-connections-to-raving-misogynists-raving-misogynists-blame-feminists/comment-page-2/#comment-401199 |
Everyone should watch the video that screenshot of Den hollander is from; I link to it the first time I mention his name in the piece. His dancing is even worse than still pictures can convey. | 2014-01-13T17:52:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/13/australian-male-studies-initiative-under-fire-because-of-its-connections-to-raving-misogynists-raving-misogynists-blame-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-401049 |
kim, the irony is that there is an actual academic discipline called "men's studies" that's been around for decades that does just that. the "male studies" stuff is an attempt by mostly older antifeminist academics to make an end run around that and start their own version of "men's studies" only without any feminism in it. The idea that it's "nonideological" is just straight out nonsense; it's intended as an attack on feminism. | 2014-01-13T17:49:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/13/australian-male-studies-initiative-under-fire-because-of-its-connections-to-raving-misogynists-raving-misogynists-blame-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-401046 |
>The picture should be of a grown man holding a baby boy There was a recent anti-DV campaign that featured babies. The MRAs completely lost their shit over it. Elam was trying to raise money to hire a private detective to dig up dirt on one of the guys involved in it. |
2014-01-12T19:15:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/12/a-voice-for-men-boldly-opposes-respect-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-400727 |
Also, the "awaiting instructions" line might be a bit creepy, but the point of it is simply that kids are impressionable. And again this relates back to domestic violence. Virtually everyone who studies DV, including those who aren't feminist, believes that the family dynamics/attitudes, etc that kids are exposed to in their early years affects their behavior a great deal when they're older. | 2014-01-12T18:37:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/12/a-voice-for-men-boldly-opposes-respect-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-400687 |
Charlotte, these posters are part of an anti domestic violence campaign. The idea is that you should teach boys to treat women with basic respect, not treat them as inferior beings to men who deserve to be beaten up when they "misbehave." It's not about putting women on a pedastal or woirshipping them because of their vaginas or whatever else Elam thinks or pretends that it is. Second, the added text suggests that it would be ok for the boy not to respect women if all the women he knew acted like this. It also seems to suggest that this is an actual possibility -- and indeed enough of a regular occurence that this is probably why boys don't respect women. Really? His grandmothers act like this? |
2014-01-12T18:35:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/12/a-voice-for-men-boldly-opposes-respect-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-400685 |
Kevin, I don't have any problem recognizing "female dickbaggery" when I come across it, and I do come across it with some regularity. Not quite as often as I come across malee dickbaggery, though that in part is an occupational hazard of doing this blog. What I don't ever run across is women acting like the women in MrWhibbley's stories, women who talk as if MRAs were writing all their lines of dialog (because, in this case, one was). Nor do I assume that one or two anecdotes really tell us anything about women or men as a whole. An anecdote may be illustrative of a larger trend, but only if there's other evidence of this larger trend. And I haven't seen a lot of evidence that there are a lot of women going around largely empty Panara Breads at 6 am demanding that men give up their chairs because that's what "real men" do for "ladies." MRAs are obsessed with "women behaving badly" stories -- focusing especially on women criminals -- as if the actions of individual women are somehow an indictment of all women. If you go to feminist sites, you won't find a similar assortment of "men behaving badly" stories -- even though, if you look at the crime blotter, there are far more stories of men behaving badly out there than there are stories of women behaving badly. |
2014-01-10T22:22:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/10/the-mens-rights-subreddit-finds-its-walter-mitty/comment-page-2/#comment-400103 |
Man, my stories really are the greatest. | 2014-01-10T21:26:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/10/the-mens-rights-subreddit-finds-its-walter-mitty/comment-page-2/#comment-400088 |
Oh, I have a jury duty story! Once I was called for jury duty and I was waiting in the big waiting room to find out if I was needed (I wasn't, plea deal), and the tv had been tuned to terrible shows the whole time, but now it looked like Maury was coming up, or some other daytime show involving lots of pregnancy test results. Finally I was going to be able to enjoy the TV! But then one of the WOMEN who worked there put on The Talk instead. The Talk really is a terrible show, I mean, like unbearably terrible. It was like a nightmare. So I guess I really have been a victim of MISANDRY. |
2014-01-10T21:25:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/10/the-mens-rights-subreddit-finds-its-walter-mitty/comment-page-2/#comment-400087 |
In case anyone wants to hear more of my stories in which nothing interesting happens I have a million of them. | 2014-01-10T19:31:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/10/the-mens-rights-subreddit-finds-its-walter-mitty/comment-page-2/#comment-400048 |
Also once I was on a train and there was a woman with headphones on singing very loudly and very badly to some r'n'b and doing some dance moves, sort of, while sitting. A guy asked her to stop, and it seemed like she had, but she was just waiting for the next vocal part to kick in. MISANDRY!!!! Another time I was on a train platform and there were some dudes smoking pot there and one of them was complaining about how the police had profiled him as a drug user. MISANDRY!!!! Another time on the same train platform a guy on a meth and/or crack bender asked me for directions and then tried to engage me in some sort of long involved conversation that made no sense. MISANDRY!!!!!! One time I was carrying a bag of books across the street and the bag broke, and as I was trying to pick up the books the driver of a car who was trying to use the lane to turn even though that would have meant him going the wrong way down a one way street yelled "ASSHOLE" at me, and I replied by yelling back "yeah, well you're a fucker!" MISANDRY!!! I ordered some Mexican food earlier this evening and the delivery guy forgot the drink, and I told him this and he went away and hasn't come back with the drink and it's been like an hour. MISANDRY!!! |
2014-01-10T18:23:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/10/the-mens-rights-subreddit-finds-its-walter-mitty/comment-page-1/#comment-400003 |
Sometimes I see people on public transportation offering their seats to elderly women (and possibly elderly men, but I can't recall) and parents dealing with several young children. Heck, I've done this once or twice. Sometimes I see people offer to switch seats so that people who are obviously together can sit together. But oftentimes the people with seats just let these people stand. I also once watched a douchebag pester a woman about ten years younger than him into letting him sit next to her. There were plenty of other open seats on the train -- it was mostly empty -- and she was obviously feeling very shitty; it looked like she had been crying. But he just pestered and pestered, and then said something like "well that wasn't so hard, was it?" CHIVALRY! |
2014-01-10T18:07:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/10/the-mens-rights-subreddit-finds-its-walter-mitty/comment-page-1/#comment-399997 |
Cloudiah, apparently some people have figured out the thing with me and Elam. I ran across this one day: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/20376111.jpg |
2014-01-10T17:10:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/08/mens-rights-redditors-respond-to-imaginary-plot-to-force-men-to-pee-sitting-down-with-proposals-to-kill-pee-on-feminists/comment-page-5/#comment-399951 |
I think Roosh is trying to become more of a far right/misogynistic/antifeminist pontificator instead of a PUA dude. Hence all the energy he's devoting to Return of Kings, and his not-very-subtle attempts to generate traffic through outrage. | 2014-01-10T01:56:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/09/roosh-v-tweets-the-worlds-saddest-tweet/comment-page-2/#comment-399694 |
I should note that I'm not really in any danger of feeling sympathy for Roosh. When I say I *almost *feel sorry for him I mean, "I might feel sorry for someone who's obviously so shallow and terrible at sex if this statement weren't so horrifically misogynistic and also if the person making it wasn't such a terrible rapey shithead." And how clueless is he to what his tweet reveals about how clearly terrible he must be in bed? Sure, novelty and the thrill of the chase can add a bit (or a lot) of excitement to the first time you have sex with someone new. But it's also going to be a bit awkward, because you don't know them or what they like just yet. The sex should get better as you get to know them better. Unless, of course, you're a selfish asshole who hates women and basically just uses them as a sort of living masturbatory aid. |
2014-01-10T01:38:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/09/roosh-v-tweets-the-worlds-saddest-tweet/comment-page-2/#comment-399687 |
Ty Henderson wrote me a long and irate and often quite pretentious email denouncing me for my "cowardice" for deleting his comment. As you may have noticed, I didn't delete his comment. |
2014-01-08T18:40:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/06/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-finally-admits-that-hes-been-pocketing-an-unspecified-chunk-of-site-donations/comment-page-4/#comment-399064 |
Some brain bleach: It occurred to me that MIA's "Bad Girls" song might go well with some slow-motion kitties. So here it is with a selection of gifs. (Open these up one at a time, or you'll have four versions of the song playing at once.) http://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/8JmlHX6.gif&v=2uYs0gJD-LE&s=13 http://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/EcZ4gd3.gif&v=2uYs0gJD-LE&s=13 http://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/l9qLjwz.gif&v=2uYs0gJD-LE&s=13 http://gifsound.com/?gif=media.giphy.com/media/fBIUwTPvPCZry/giphy.gif&v=2uYs0gJD-LE&s=13 |
2014-01-08T02:05:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/07/pua-dirtbag-heartiste-derides-creepy-facebook-stalker-for-being-too-chivalrous/comment-page-3/#comment-398733 |
thanks for the reminders on roseandmask, and I won't be letting anything more from him through. sorry about that. | 2014-01-08T01:59:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/07/pua-dirtbag-heartiste-derides-creepy-facebook-stalker-for-being-too-chivalrous/comment-page-3/#comment-398730 |
I can't remember if I banned themaskandrose or just had him on moderation -- does anyone else remember? But I let through a comment of his above just because it was so wonderfully clueless. | 2014-01-07T20:19:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/07/pua-dirtbag-heartiste-derides-creepy-facebook-stalker-for-being-too-chivalrous/comment-page-1/#comment-398573 |
I had to wear a jacket in my apartment yesterday, but that was because it was literally MINUS TWELVE DEGREES OUTSIDE WITH ICE FORMING ON THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOWS. Today it's 2 degrees, so I'm in a hoodie (hood down). Normally the furnace can keep up with the weather, but it's been having a hard time lately. Where Fidelbogen lives it's 45 degrees out today, so unless his apartment/house/whatever has no walls I would say he's a little overdressed. I watched the video all the way through.(hey, I need screenshots to illustrate future fidelbogen posts.) at the end he declares that what he's just said is "pure gold. You can take it to the bank." No, really. |
2014-01-07T14:34:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/06/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-finally-admits-that-hes-been-pocketing-an-unspecified-chunk-of-site-donations/comment-page-2/#comment-398351 |
nalahverdian, as I say explictly in my post, all of the money that people donate to me goes to me. The difference is that I don't pretend that the money is going anywhere else. Oh, and I tell readers who are broke NOT to send money, because I know they need it more than me. It's interesting and revealing that your reaction to my post is that I'm jealous that Elam is pocketing more $ from his donors than I am from mine. Funny, because up until yesterday he wouldn't even publicly admit that he was taking any of the donations for himself, and pretended it was all going for servers and stock photos and whatnot. That actually says a lot, about you, and I think about Elam's weird little cult of personality. I'd rather be me and broke than Paul Elam with a bank account full of donor $. Then again I think I'd rather be a mole in a hole in the ground than Paul Elam. |
2014-01-06T20:50:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/06/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-finally-admits-that-hes-been-pocketing-an-unspecified-chunk-of-site-donations/comment-page-2/#comment-398139 |
Hey, Nobinayamu, long time! Bone lady, AFVM isn't a non-profit, probably b/c Elam didn't want any sort of public accountability or oversight. |
2014-01-06T16:04:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/06/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-finally-admits-that-hes-been-pocketing-an-unspecified-chunk-of-site-donations/comment-page-1/#comment-398009 |
Elam's response is, well, pretty much what I'd expect from him. I'm a little curious about his "welcome to the house of pain" bit at the start. Is that supposed to be a threat, or is it supposed to mean, "shut up with your stupid problems, because this is where the real men with the real problems talk about real man things." Because I just went and looked at that woman's twitter and she seems pretty awesome, and has more courage in her little finger than the MRM has in its entire movement. She's taking on TERFs and dealing with their awful harassment on a daily basis. https://twitter.com/PaxCorpus |
2014-01-03T02:18:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/29/men-in-dresses-a-voice-for-men-stands-up-for-trans-women-by-declaring-them-to-be-deluded-men/comment-page-4/#comment-396719 |
Ranier, if you are indeed teaching anyone journalism -- and I really hope you aren't -- you should be aware that the people who actually do the journalism are responsible for that journalism. I didn't write the 20/20 piece, and I'm not responsible for what they wrote. Nor do I know why the segment hasn't aired. If you think this site contians "lies," please point out some of these lies. Be specific. Unless you can back up your accusations, which you can't, you may want to use your comment here as an example (for your students) of something that is "false and defamatory." |
2014-01-01T11:01:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/29/men-in-dresses-a-voice-for-men-stands-up-for-trans-women-by-declaring-them-to-be-deluded-men/comment-page-3/#comment-396171 |
Cloudiah, I'm not seeing any of his own posts he's deleting. He's got some older posts to other subreddits in his history. | 2013-12-31T20:10:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/30/return-of-kings-blog-high-school-girls-are-responsible-for-school-shootings-because-they-wont-have-sex-with-nerds/comment-page-5/#comment-395882 |
One of the many rules of Roosh's new subreddit is "no gore." I kind of broke that rule when I submitted this: http://www.reddit.com/r/RedKings/comments/1u4qyj/a_musical_interlude_warning_intense_gore/ Warning: this is completely safe for work. |
2013-12-31T19:27:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/30/return-of-kings-blog-high-school-girls-are-responsible-for-school-shootings-because-they-wont-have-sex-with-nerds/comment-page-5/#comment-395860 |
Another grave injustice to men! People downvoting posts on Roosh's NEW SUBREDDIT: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/1u3tkf/its_not_right_that_you_all_are_downvoting/ http://www.reddit.com/r/RedKings |
2013-12-31T18:44:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/30/return-of-kings-blog-high-school-girls-are-responsible-for-school-shootings-because-they-wont-have-sex-with-nerds/comment-page-5/#comment-395818 |
It is a little rich when guys on a site that regularly refers to women by numbers on a ten point "hotness" scale complains that women are being shallow and rejecting guys who aren't good-looking enough. | 2013-12-30T17:15:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/30/return-of-kings-blog-high-school-girls-are-responsible-for-school-shootings-because-they-wont-have-sex-with-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-395289 |
Cloudiah, the article says the boy never regained consciousness. | 2013-12-30T14:44:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/26/a-voice-for-mens-typhonblue-uses-the-case-of-a-man-who-set-himself-and-his-son-on-fire-as-evidence-of-the-moral-superiority-of-men/comment-page-4/#comment-395208 |
Returning to the OP: the 9-year-old son who was burned in this incident has died: http://japandailypress.com/9-year-old-boy-burned-alive-by-father-in-murder-suicide-dies-in-hospital-3041650/ |
2013-12-30T12:27:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/26/a-voice-for-mens-typhonblue-uses-the-case-of-a-man-who-set-himself-and-his-son-on-fire-as-evidence-of-the-moral-superiority-of-men/comment-page-4/#comment-395173 |
Well, it's pretty clear you didn't actually read the post, because in the post I link to a post elsewhere that does actually look at the rest of the quotes. Here's the link, in case you're too lazy to find it in my post: http://www.metagalacticllamas.com/blog/archives/76 Does it bother you that MRAs are passing around false information about feminists in lists like this, or is that fair in your mind because feminists are so eeeeeevil anyway? |
2013-12-29T02:15:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/02/15/factchecking-a-list-of-hateful-quotes-from-feminists/comment-page-4/#comment-394731 |
The pets remark is a reference to the "fact" that 40 years ago, evil feminists killed Erin Pizzey's dog. Which isn't actually true. Apparently someone -- she doesn't know who -- injured her dog by shooting it with, I believe, a BB gun. She has no evidence that it was feminists. |
2013-12-28T18:19:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/28/men-rights-activist-dont-expect-activism-from-us-because-someone-has-to-keep-this-society-running-and-it-damn-sure-aint-going-to-be-the-ladies/comment-page-1/#comment-394544 |
The CIA-invented-feminism "theory" isn't a new one, and pops up fairly regularly amongst the MRAs. Sometimes the Illuminati are involved as well. | 2013-12-28T15:45:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/26/a-voice-for-mens-typhonblue-uses-the-case-of-a-man-who-set-himself-and-his-son-on-fire-as-evidence-of-the-moral-superiority-of-men/comment-page-3/#comment-394492 |
Looks like TyphonBlue *is* from Calgary. She gives her name as Alison Tieman on AVFM -- though she's used aliases before. In any case, when I googled that name and "calgary" I found her quoted in the Calgary Herald. http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=d03dfed3-bbc0-4fd9-ad1e-dcc81e729f31 |
2013-12-28T04:05:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/26/a-voice-for-mens-typhonblue-uses-the-case-of-a-man-who-set-himself-and-his-son-on-fire-as-evidence-of-the-moral-superiority-of-men/comment-page-2/#comment-394324 |
hidradenitis-suppurativa, 57% of those who kill children under 5 are the parents. Among the parents, it is an equal split between mothers and fathers. Of the remaining 43% of those who kill children under 5 -- that is, those who aren't the parents -- most of the killers are men. |
2013-12-27T23:48:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/26/a-voice-for-mens-typhonblue-uses-the-case-of-a-man-who-set-himself-and-his-son-on-fire-as-evidence-of-the-moral-superiority-of-men/comment-page-2/#comment-394269 |
The news stories were really sketchy on details. The man and his wife were finalizing their divorce; presumably that was the trigger, as it often is in these sorts of cases. | 2013-12-26T21:03:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/26/a-voice-for-mens-typhonblue-uses-the-case-of-a-man-who-set-himself-and-his-son-on-fire-as-evidence-of-the-moral-superiority-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-393943 |
[citation needed] | 2013-12-25T18:57:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/22/a-little-gender-experiment-confirms-that-reddit-is-full-of-douchebags/comment-page-4/#comment-393647 |
kittehserf, I get a lot of spam like that, comments saying that there are grammatical mistakes, or that the pages don't load right in explorer, etc. But they often give it away with names like "gucci bags for less." | 2013-12-23T17:56:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/29/the-cold-hard-truth-about-loose-vaginas/comment-page-3/#comment-393132 |
Sometimes I let spam through the filter just because. | 2013-12-23T17:53:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/29/the-cold-hard-truth-about-loose-vaginas/comment-page-3/#comment-393131 |
Oh, and the larynx thing I think it a reference to the PUA obsession with lowering your voice to sound extra manly and sexy. Though they always talk about how your voice should come from below your larynx to be properly deep. http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/for-those-who-feel-their-voice-pitch-is-too-high-vt85784.html |
2013-12-21T18:43:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/21/whilst-my-canteen-of-a-dck-wast-roaming-her-cavern-and-other-bon-mots-from-the-worst-short-story-ever-written/comment-page-1/#comment-392622 |
I do think the author is trying to be funny. But he's not trying to be funny by pointing out how ridiculous it is that some men think this is how women think; the joke is supposed to be how funny it is that women really are like this. | 2013-12-21T18:32:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/21/whilst-my-canteen-of-a-dck-wast-roaming-her-cavern-and-other-bon-mots-from-the-worst-short-story-ever-written/comment-page-1/#comment-392612 |
Oh, I'm definitely going to do a nice wrapup of the Greatest MRA Moments of 2013. Please continue to nominate your favorite MRA "accomplishments"! | 2013-12-19T20:17:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/28/2012-year-of-triumphs-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-6/#comment-391707 |
I fixed oneiorosgrip's gender in the post. And looked at her blog. She seems really, really annoying. | 2013-12-18T22:52:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/18/mens-rights-subreddit-mod-blames-not-me-for-occidental-college-vigilantism/comment-page-1/#comment-391314 |
I left that out b/c it was a little confusing. I felt, though it is clear that a lot of MRAs basically do think they should be catered to like princesses in fairy tales. If it's any comfort to you, brz, I edit confusing stuff out of MRA comments all the time. Sometimes I worry that I make them appear much more coherent than they really are. |
2013-12-18T20:20:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/18/mens-rights-subreddit-mod-blames-not-me-for-occidental-college-vigilantism/comment-page-1/#comment-391254 |
I don't have great hopes for the new subreddit. But I guess we'll see. | 2013-12-18T19:49:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/18/mens-rights-subreddit-mod-blames-not-me-for-occidental-college-vigilantism/comment-page-1/#comment-391243 |
auggz, that's great to hear. so relieved! cloudiah, so glad your mom's recovering! from what little I know that doesn't sound like slow progress; it sounds really encouraging. |
2013-12-18T18:35:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-november-rain-edition/comment-page-13/#comment-391226 |
Cloudiah (and everyone else), I'm always glad to get suggestions, tips, etc, about stuff to write about. I get a lot of topics for posts that way. It's also helpful when people email me about trolly stuff going on in the comments. Don't worry that you're spamming me! |
2013-12-17T18:28:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/17/mens-rights-redditors-flood-occidental-colleges-online-rape-reporting-form-with-false-accusations/comment-page-2/#comment-390830 |
Kenny is going on moderation for the rape jokes. | 2013-12-15T22:52:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/15/red-piller-unless-white-women-start-shtting-out-more-babies-western-civilization-is-doomed/comment-page-8/#comment-389936 |
auggz, so sorry! That's a really tough situation. Hopefully he still is in the hospital. | 2013-12-13T20:24:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-november-rain-edition/comment-page-12/#comment-388695 |
.... and the sock is banned. (Even if he's not MRAL, he's still an admitted sock of a banned commenter.) |
2013-12-13T19:26:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/13/a-voice-for-men-doubles-down-how-dishwashers-tv-dinners-and-marital-rape-laws-are-rendering-women-obsolete-also-the-apocalypse/comment-page-2/#comment-388672 |
Ooh, Ferdinandea! I did not know about that. An excellent suggestion. If anyone else has suggestions for islands or other places that might be good for MGTOWers to Go Their Own Way to, please post them. Maybe I'll do a post about it. |
2013-12-13T18:04:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/13/a-voice-for-men-doubles-down-how-dishwashers-tv-dinners-and-marital-rape-laws-are-rendering-women-obsolete-also-the-apocalypse/comment-page-2/#comment-388621 |
Lana, he means it literally: he doesn't want married women to have the right to say no. | 2013-12-13T15:48:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/13/a-voice-for-men-doubles-down-how-dishwashers-tv-dinners-and-marital-rape-laws-are-rendering-women-obsolete-also-the-apocalypse/comment-page-1/#comment-388523 |
Caitlin, I've already picked out a possible island for them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvet_Island |
2013-12-13T14:51:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/13/a-voice-for-men-doubles-down-how-dishwashers-tv-dinners-and-marital-rape-laws-are-rendering-women-obsolete-also-the-apocalypse/comment-page-1/#comment-388487 |
I want to draw people's attention to Molly Ren's comment above about her missing friend and to encourage people to spread the word about him. Molly, so sorry to hear about this, I really hope he's ok, and obviously there is no problem with you posting this here. |
2013-12-12T14:03:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/12/vox-day-dont-call-your-wife-the-boss-because-women-are-dogs-or-something/comment-page-1/#comment-388122 |
Ashley, there are a lot of people here who would prefer it if you (or, well, anyone who comments here) didn't use "crazy" or "chemical imbalances of the brain" or similar terms when referring to someone who has terrible or ludicrous and/or misogynistic views. You may not find these words problematic yourself, but out of respect to them I would suggest that you find other terms to use. | 2013-12-12T13:48:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/12/vox-day-dont-call-your-wife-the-boss-because-women-are-dogs-or-something/comment-page-1/#comment-388113 |
But it's difficult because I'm a woman and math is hard. | 2013-12-12T12:09:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/12/vox-day-dont-call-your-wife-the-boss-because-women-are-dogs-or-something/comment-page-1/#comment-388057 |
I'm working on my statistical refutation of the statistically proven fact that women are just like dogs. | 2013-12-12T12:07:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/12/vox-day-dont-call-your-wife-the-boss-because-women-are-dogs-or-something/comment-page-1/#comment-388056 |
The SomeGreyBloke guy has a separate character (played by an actor) who's a faux-MRA. If you like his manosphere video you should check those videos out too. General question for people here: I'm still trying to sort through the "overwhelmed by the power of butt" psychology here and I'm wondering if any of you can think of good stuff for me to read that talks about this sort of thing, anything from good blog posts and articles to academic papers and books. Or about anger at being denied sex. |
2013-12-12T07:38:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/10/the-power-of-butt-mra-granddaddy-warren-farrell-picks-a-new-book-cover-and-cant-decide-between-tits-ass-or-vagina/comment-page-6/#comment-387995 |
Ally, so sorry! Damn your dad is awful. | 2013-12-11T11:29:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/11/a-voice-for-men-writer-laments-since-the-advent-of-marital-rape-sex-is-no-longer-a-loving-duty-so-it-has-become-whim-and-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-387739 |
It's becoming more and more clear to me how completely their whole movement is driven by anger that women can deprive them of what they see as their sexual prerogatives. Again, this isn't a new revelation, but, really, everything else is window dressing. Even Farrell, who wrote a ton about all those other issues that MRAs talk about, thinks that the best way to represent his most influentual work is by showing a picture of a sexy woman and saying, see, look what we have to contend with! All that and WE CAN'T HAVE IT!!!!! | 2013-12-11T11:28:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/11/a-voice-for-men-writer-laments-since-the-advent-of-marital-rape-sex-is-no-longer-a-loving-duty-so-it-has-become-whim-and-weapon/comment-page-1/#comment-387738 |
aebars, I'm writing about that awful AVFM piece you linked to. Would you like credit in the post? | 2013-12-11T10:11:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/06/mens-rights-redditor-remembers-the-victims-of-marc-lepine-by-complaining-were-all-supposed-to-cry-about-how-hard-it-is-to-be-female/comment-page-2/#comment-387692 |
lightcastle, thanks for posting that Coates piece. This disscussion is fantastic. It's really helping me pull together a lot of stuff about MRAs and sexuality. One thing I'm wondering: since they're all so in thrall to a mere picture of a butt, what if I could learn to draw really sexy butts? Could I use them to hypnotize MRAs and make them do my bidding? |
2013-12-11T09:17:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/10/the-power-of-butt-mra-granddaddy-warren-farrell-picks-a-new-book-cover-and-cant-decide-between-tits-ass-or-vagina/comment-page-4/#comment-387675 |
CR, you are a little ray of sunshine, aren't you? | 2013-12-11T08:29:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-22/#comment-387664 |
"cheesecake" is a term for old-fashioned pinup-type pics. I'm not sure the origin of the term. | 2013-12-10T13:29:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/10/the-power-of-butt-mra-granddaddy-warren-farrell-picks-a-new-book-cover-and-cant-decide-between-tits-ass-or-vagina/comment-page-1/#comment-387276 |
Cloudiah, I'm so sorry, all the hugs. | 2013-12-10T12:18:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-november-rain-edition/comment-page-11/#comment-387217 |
taiiki, I have issues with social anxiety and depression myself, and there have been times in my life where I suppose you could say I was "involuntarily celibate." There's nothing shameful about that, though obviously it feels that way. What I'm taking issue with is framing the issue not as one of social anxiety but as something that is society's fault -- in particular, the fault of women. Which is what many male incels do. This is what's self-defeating, and what leads leads to bitternesss, and is self-defeating in that it leads to stewing in resentment rather than in seeking out therapy, etc, and trying to address the root problem, which is social anxiety, not that "stuck up bitches" won't sleep with you. (I'm not saying that you are thinking that way; that's just an attitude I've seen amongst many incels.) Incels are people with real issues, and I don't want to downplay that at all, but framing the issue as one of "involuntary celibacy" rather than social anxiety, depression, or whatever the root cause of their particular case is, is a self-defeating stance. One cannot cure depression by complaining about stuck-up women on internet forums. |
2013-12-10T01:56:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-21/#comment-387166 |
Ninjaed! | 2013-12-09T01:26:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-27/#comment-386635 |
DefJam, I would suggest you read this: http://manboobz.com/2013/04/17/so-who-exactly-has-been-harassing-that-red-haired-canadian-feminist-a-not-quite-scientific-survey/ |
2013-12-09T01:20:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-27/#comment-386633 |
Another fun fact about the Britney/K-fed split: He got sole custody of the kids. MISANDRY! BUT WHAT IF GENDERS WERE SWA ... wait,what? *MRA HEADS EXPLODE* | 2013-12-07T18:57:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/07/kevin-federline-andry-the-most-pressing-mens-human-rights-issue-of-our-age/comment-page-1/#comment-386078 |
Along with harassing women, hypothetical gender-swap is an important form of Men's Rights activism. | 2013-12-07T18:53:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/07/kevin-federline-andry-the-most-pressing-mens-human-rights-issue-of-our-age/comment-page-1/#comment-386074 |
I mean, more or less. I can name the city, anyway. | 2013-12-07T18:51:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/07/kevin-federline-andry-the-most-pressing-mens-human-rights-issue-of-our-age/comment-page-1/#comment-386071 |
I can still remember where I was when I first heard the news that Kevin and Brit-Brit were divorcing. | 2013-12-07T18:51:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/07/kevin-federline-andry-the-most-pressing-mens-human-rights-issue-of-our-age/comment-page-1/#comment-386069 |
Given that the person can't spell Britney's name correctly, I doubt they're up to date on current celeb news. FOR SHAME. | 2013-12-07T18:50:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/07/kevin-federline-andry-the-most-pressing-mens-human-rights-issue-of-our-age/comment-page-1/#comment-386067 |
Podkayne, it's from an earlier year. | 2013-12-07T17:15:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/06/mens-rights-redditor-remembers-the-victims-of-marc-lepine-by-complaining-were-all-supposed-to-cry-about-how-hard-it-is-to-be-female/comment-page-1/#comment-386054 |
auggziliary, I'm still surprised by these guys on a regular basis, and at this point I really shouldn't be. | 2013-12-06T22:19:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/06/mens-rights-redditor-remembers-the-victims-of-marc-lepine-by-complaining-were-all-supposed-to-cry-about-how-hard-it-is-to-be-female/comment-page-1/#comment-385877 |
Rick, as others have pointed out, I did not in any way defend Mary Daly; what I did was to point out that, contrary to GWW's absurd and ignorant remarks, Daly got a great deal of open criticism from other feminists starting back in the 1970s, and that there's abundant evidence of this available for anyone who spends a few moments googling. But to make things even clearer: I think Mary Daly was awful in many ways, and she was indeed a massive transphobe. Also, to reiterate: the moon is not a potato. |
2013-12-06T17:58:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/30/girlwriteswhats-delusional-defenses-of-mgtow-misogyny-also-mary-daly-and-why-the-moon-is-not-a-potato/comment-page-6/#comment-385784 |
I'm always a little baffled when MRAs go "see, MEN can be heroes too" as if society never recognizes men who are heroic, or as if there are no movies or TV shows or books or plays or songs or epic poems or cereal boxes featuring male heroes. | 2013-12-06T10:34:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/06/a-great-male-human-being-a-voice-for-men-remembers-nelson-mandela-in-its-inimitable-way/comment-page-1/#comment-385665 |
Brooked, The Spearhead used to publish Donovan's stuff, and maybe stuff by some other explicit racists, and I'm pretty sure I've seen other "scientific" racist stuff there from time to time. At one point a bunch of white supremecists were commenting there a lot and sort of trying -- I believe in an organized way -- to take over the comments section there and WF Price decided to ban them because he didn't want the site known as a white supremecist blog. |
2013-12-06T08:45:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/05/matt-forney-yes-that-guy-dances-on-nelson-mandelas-grave/comment-page-2/#comment-385637 |
Roosh also fits in there, though some of those dudes wouldn't consider him white. Oddly, his racism seems almost entirely aimed at South Asians. | 2013-12-06T01:12:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/05/matt-forney-yes-that-guy-dances-on-nelson-mandelas-grave/comment-page-1/#comment-385587 |
The "alternative" in "alternative right" is not-so-secret code for "white supremacist," though the "alt-right" folks try to be more subtle and "scientific" about their racism than the Stormfront types. The Heartiste/Forney/Jack Donovan wing of the manosphere is pretty much all "alt-right." | 2013-12-06T01:11:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/05/matt-forney-yes-that-guy-dances-on-nelson-mandelas-grave/comment-page-1/#comment-385586 |
Meanwhile, AVFM remembers Mandela. Dean Esmay eulogizes him in a comment as "a great male human being," while Kukla writes "Meh, don’t really care much for him." http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/nelson-mandela-is-dead/ |
2013-12-06T00:35:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/05/matt-forney-yes-that-guy-dances-on-nelson-mandelas-grave/comment-page-1/#comment-385570 |
La Strega, yeah, I probably shouldn't have given him the attention. | 2013-12-05T23:30:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/05/matt-forney-yes-that-guy-dances-on-nelson-mandelas-grave/comment-page-1/#comment-385554 |
cloudiah, but Forney has accomplished REAL THINGS like HITCHHIKING ACROSS THE US and PUTTING TERRIBLE BLOG POSTS INTO TERRIBLE CREPPY E-BOOKS and DATING A GIRL WHO'S NOT A FATTY . | 2013-12-05T22:55:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/05/matt-forney-yes-that-guy-dances-on-nelson-mandelas-grave/comment-page-1/#comment-385536 |
Whites are a minority here in Chicago, and it still exists. | 2013-12-05T22:38:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/05/matt-forney-yes-that-guy-dances-on-nelson-mandelas-grave/comment-page-1/#comment-385525 |
I just did a post on the linked reddit thread that calls out the misogyny of that quote ... and indulges in all sorts of other misogyny. | 2013-12-04T20:32:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/03/mens-rights-activist-if-women-sucked-d-half-as-well-as-they-suck-at-sports-there-would-be-no-more-divorces/comment-page-4/#comment-385168 |
Cloudiah, the Occupy Medic had a joke in it that I thought was a bit questionable and likely to be misinterpreted so I deleted it. | 2013-12-03T02:22:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/02/mens-rights-the-video-game/comment-page-1/#comment-384719 |
Diz iz banned and will have to live out his fantasies of being a cartoon villain elsewhere. I do sort of like the idea that he's "monitoring" my twitter account for signs that I'm "about to crack." My twitter account is literally 1/3 announcements of Man Boobz posts, 1/3 arguing with MRAs and 1/3 dumb jokes and retweeted pics, many of them cat related. https://twitter.com/DavidFutrelle |
2013-11-29T08:47:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/25/mens-rights-redditor-explains-the-mate-choice-process-of-the-human-female-and-also-why-she-wont-pay-for-dinner/comment-page-7/#comment-383853 |
The Reddit survey I don't think captures the whole MRA demographic; it's very much reflective of MRAs on Reddit, which is skewed young and white and techy, though FWIW men's rights was a little whiter than REddit as a whole. Very few women. The MRAs who showed up at that Toronto rally were a much older group. I'm guessing the MRM in general is split between these two demographic groups, a bunch in their teens and early 20s, and a bunch in late 30s-40s-50s. But then again maybe there are a bunch in their late 20s and early 30s as well, so the demographic is just white dudes 18-50s. |
2013-11-28T15:17:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/27/how-slut-shaming-transforms-dirty-cheeseburgers-into-sex-gold/comment-page-2/#comment-383510 |
Haikumania! I will take this occasion to share with you a published poem of mine, for which I was even paid ($10). It appeared on Hotwired, which was a site associated with Wired magazine many years ago, and it linked to a web page offering to teach cat owners how to teach their cats how to use human toilets. This is actually a slightly improved version of the poem. Here I sit No longer proud Tried to shit But only meowed On a totally different topic: PerfectLikeThis, I started this blog sort of on a whim and gave it the name I did without really thinking it through beyond, hey, it;s a pun, because "boob" also means "foolish or silly person" and the people I write about here certainly are that. It's not meant in a fat-shaming way. I'm fat myself, and I often write about the nasty stuff MRAs say about fat women (and men too, at least when the men in question disagree with them; I would say roughly half of the attacks on me from MRAs have to do with my weight, not with anything I say). |
2013-11-27T05:32:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/26/manosphere-blogger-feminism-is-a-morbidly-obese-sexually-promiscuous-short-haired-tattooed-cussing-beast-whom-no-man-can-ever-love-or-trust/comment-page-3/#comment-383029 |
They're obsessed with that, er, "argument." I play first-person-shooter games in which imaginary pixel people are continually shooting at me. Yet I do not wish to be shot at in real life. Somehow I think they would understand that, but when a woman has fantasies, or is into BDSM, they think it means there's no such thing as rape culture, or possibly there's no such thing as rape? |
2013-11-26T18:38:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/26/manosphere-blogger-feminism-is-a-morbidly-obese-sexually-promiscuous-short-haired-tattooed-cussing-beast-whom-no-man-can-ever-love-or-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-382722 |
I think the doxxing talk is all bluff. Unless your comments here link to a blog you're publishing under your own name, I doubt they can find out anything. | 2013-11-25T04:53:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/24/a-creepy-expat-in-southeast-asia-explains-why-money-tits-and-how-this-makes-exploiting-poor-women-for-sex-ok/comment-page-3/#comment-381873 |
(Sorry, that was me reacting to the "if you're still alive" comments directed at Cliff.) | 2013-11-24T22:10:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/24/a-creepy-expat-in-southeast-asia-explains-why-money-tits-and-how-this-makes-exploiting-poor-women-for-sex-ok/comment-page-2/#comment-381774 |
WTF!? | 2013-11-24T22:09:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/24/a-creepy-expat-in-southeast-asia-explains-why-money-tits-and-how-this-makes-exploiting-poor-women-for-sex-ok/comment-page-2/#comment-381772 |
IIRC, this guy claims to be in "relationships" with two womem, one 18 years old -- he refers to her as "the 18" -- and one a bit older, don't remember her age. I think he's set them up in separate apartments, or something along those lines. | 2013-11-24T18:52:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/24/a-creepy-expat-in-southeast-asia-explains-why-money-tits-and-how-this-makes-exploiting-poor-women-for-sex-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-381676 |
Let's all just move on. | 2013-11-22T18:55:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/today-is-world-toilet-day/comment-page-9/#comment-381066 |
Moma Sita, enough. I'm putting you on moderation and won't be letting anything of yours through for awhile, because of the gratuitously nasty personal attacks and the continual talk about how everyone here is "mentally ill." I've deleted a few of the nastier comments as well. | 2013-11-22T18:55:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/today-is-world-toilet-day/comment-page-9/#comment-381064 |
Moma Sita, seriously, stop digging. Reread what Alice just reposted. That's what people were reacting to. | 2013-11-22T17:18:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/21/roosh-v-trolling-for-page-views-with-deliberately-offensive-posts-finds-some-supporters-in-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-5/#comment-380859 |
Damn. Sorry about that. I think I hit "approve" instead of "trash" on those comments from Dub, or else there was some sort of wordpress glitch. Those shouldn't have gone through. | 2013-11-21T23:48:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/26/meet-the-patriarchy-party-the-latest-bid-for-media-attention-from-mens-rights-edmonton/comment-page-9/#comment-380388 |
I've banned Dub for being an abusive asshole. I can go back and delete his worst comments here as well, unless you folks want to let them stand as evidence of his worst behavior. | 2013-11-21T18:56:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/26/meet-the-patriarchy-party-the-latest-bid-for-media-attention-from-mens-rights-edmonton/comment-page-8/#comment-380213 |
Dub just seems to be a weird troll. James is denying he's Prester John, FWIW. He's using some sort of IP anonymizer and has posted from various IPs located thousands of miles apart, including one that Prester John used. I suppose it's possible Prester John just happened to use the same anonymizer and get assigned the same IP. I dunno. Seems more likely to me they're the same dude. Anyone who knows more about anonymizers want to weigh in on this? |
2013-11-21T03:42:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/comments-policy/comment-page-4/#comment-379779 |
James is banned. He was also, as some suspected, a returning troll, a reincarnation of good old Prester John, the weird fake religious troll. | 2013-11-21T03:30:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/comments-policy/comment-page-4/#comment-379771 |
Doug, and what it your point exactly? There have been antifeminists as long as there have been feminists, and misogyny itself stretches back into prehistory (as far as we can figure it). There were some MRAish books/groups in the 70s. But the MRM as we know it today took its ideological form in the 90s. Farrell's book basically defined the agenda and to a remarkable extent still does -- even amongst MRAs who have never read his book, because his ideas are so widely disseminated amongst MRAs. And he's still revered as an MRA elder statesman. Myth of Male Power is the first book listed in the r/mensrights sidebar under "recommended reading." (And two of the other three books listed, the two by Christina Hoff Sommers, also came out of the 90s. (The latter book, which came out in 2000, was based on a magazine article from 99 I believe.) AVFM lists 7 books in its suggested reading list; 2 are by Farrell, including The Myth of Male Power. And why exactly did you mention the other books? I mean, yes, there have been other MRAish books written since Farrell's book. None of them have been as influential (including other books by Farrell himself). I wasn't giving the entire history of the MRM. The NCFM is suing the govt about selective service? Huh. NOW did that back in the 80s. |
2013-11-20T22:33:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/20/check-out-my-review-of-michael-kimmels-angry-white-men-on-the-american-prospect/comment-page-1/#comment-379503 |
Dub, how exactly did you read my post and not understand that I know the whole thing is a joke? My point is that the "satire" here just isn't funny. And what is he satirizing? What feminists supposedly say about MRAs? I don't have to make up shit about MRAs in order to make them look bad. All I have to do it quote what they actually say. |
2013-11-20T20:59:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/26/meet-the-patriarchy-party-the-latest-bid-for-media-attention-from-mens-rights-edmonton/comment-page-5/#comment-379440 |
La Strega, there's actually a lot in Kimmel's book I didn't talk about. | 2013-11-20T20:22:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/20/check-out-my-review-of-michael-kimmels-angry-white-men-on-the-american-prospect/comment-page-1/#comment-379427 |
Thanks, everyone! Bonelady, of course you can use the piece in class! |
2013-11-20T12:24:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/20/check-out-my-review-of-michael-kimmels-angry-white-men-on-the-american-prospect/comment-page-1/#comment-379315 |
titianblue, so sorry, that's rough, especially losing three in such a short time span. ally, sounds like you're really ready! best wishes to both of you! |
2013-11-20T10:59:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-november-rain-edition/comment-page-7/#comment-379294 |
freemage, as annoying as I find it when they lie and/or make up stuff about me, it does serve one useful function as a general guide to MRA credibility. Since literally most of the things they say about me are simply untrue, it really doesn't give me much confidence that anything they say about anything or anybody has much resemblance to the truth. Really, about the only thing they get right about me is that I'm fat. Oh, and that I like cats. So that's two things. |
2013-11-20T00:50:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/today-is-world-toilet-day/comment-page-2/#comment-379171 |
Yeah, that Return of Kings post just seems like transparent clickbait, which is partly why I ignored it. Also because it's depressing to write about that shit. In other news, that McAfee app that removes McAfee apps finally did the trick. Whoo! Thanks! |
2013-11-19T23:15:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/women-are-bitches-a-new-theory-on-the-wage-gap-from-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-379151 |
Hey lauralot! And everyone else, I added a bunch more stuff to the OP which you may find of interest. |
2013-11-19T22:02:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/today-is-world-toilet-day/comment-page-1/#comment-379130 |
Quackers, I honestly don't know what CAFE is expecting to do. From their indiegogo page they seem to think that they can rent a storefront to use as a center for two years and pay a salary for a director using the $50,000 they've taken in (or perhaps that's only if they reach their $75,000 goal). They seem incredibly naive and don't really seem to know what their center will even be doing. Or at least they haven't done a good job of explaining it. | 2013-11-19T21:58:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/today-is-world-toilet-day/comment-page-1/#comment-379128 |
In any case, Alice and serrana, thanks for your help. | 2013-11-19T20:11:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/women-are-bitches-a-new-theory-on-the-wage-gap-from-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-379078 |
Alice, well, I logged in as the admin, and it told me I still needed admin approval to delete the files even though I was the admin. Maybe it just wouldn't let me delete the files that were being used for the firewall becuase it was still running, or something. I was definitely able to delete SOME of the files, but not all of them. I give up. Hopefully I haven't fucked up my system. On the other hand, the little McAfee reminders that used to pop up and instantly crash like every ten minutes aren't popping up any more, so apparently I got rid of that. |
2013-11-19T20:09:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/women-are-bitches-a-new-theory-on-the-wage-gap-from-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-379077 |
Rick, no, a badly thought out "men's day" that doesn't really promote much of anything seems to me less worthwhile than a day devoted to an actual worldwide public health issue that literally affects billions of people and causes babies to die. Also, I'm not sure you realize this, but roughly half of all of those affected by the lack of toilets and proper sanitation are, you know, male. World Toilet Day does far more for men and boys than the MR movement does. | 2013-11-19T19:59:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/today-is-world-toilet-day/comment-page-1/#comment-379073 |
Alice and serrana. Huh. So I basically did all that, except that my pc won't let me delete some of the program files w/o administrator approval. (How I'm not the boss of my own computer I don't know.) And so windows and my various uninstaller programs are convinced both that 1) I have removed McAfee from my system and 2) windows is still convinced that McAfee is still handling my firewall. I can't seem to delete it or turn it off in order to turn windows firewall on instead. Urghhh. | 2013-11-19T18:22:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/women-are-bitches-a-new-theory-on-the-wage-gap-from-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-379023 |
Boy, Ashtone is pretty mad about this. Good work, feminism! | 2013-11-19T18:16:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/today-is-world-toilet-day/comment-page-1/#comment-379018 |
Capt. Awkward has suggested that african violets would be perfect breakup gifts for friends you don't want to be friends with any more. | 2013-11-19T16:21:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/17/how-not-to-get-banned-from-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-378977 |
This is completely off topic, but how can I uninstall a program from windows 7 when its UI crashes each time I try to uninstall it? Ironically, I am trying to uninstall it because its user interface crashes every time I try to open it. | 2013-11-19T14:59:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/19/women-are-bitches-a-new-theory-on-the-wage-gap-from-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-378955 |
That guy with the beard has got some moves. | 2013-11-18T16:11:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/18/dalrock-on-why-men-should-avoid-women-whove-wasted-a-lot-of-courtship-and-used-up-their-most-attractivefertile-years/comment-page-1/#comment-378564 |
Hey, some dude been banned by you a million times for squat, I've taken the liberty of banning you again, but I let that comment through to note the irony here. You see, once you've been banned, you aren't allowed back. If I banned you more than once, you were (and are, with this comment) breaking the rules by commenting again, which means another ban. By contrast, I have not returned to r/mr with a new account. I'm banned there, and I will respect that. Perhaps you were banned the second and third and millionth time around because I knew you were a sockpuppet of a banned person? |
2013-11-17T23:45:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/17/how-not-to-get-banned-from-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-378407 |
I had a cat that ate some dental floss, maybe 5 inches? Which I didn't realize until it came out the other end. A friend of mine had a cat that ate a rubber band, which she discovered in the same manner. Both cats were fine, FWIW. Hopefully yours will be too, Viscaria! | 2013-11-16T01:18:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-november-rain-edition/comment-page-6/#comment-377922 |
(I admit I wasn't reading the stuff of his that was in moderation very carefully before letting it through; should have banned him a long time ago.) | 2013-11-16T00:32:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/22/mens-rights-website-falsely-accuses-ohio-university-student-of-being-a-false-rape-accuser/comment-page-6/#comment-377888 |
Hey folks, I got the emails and I agree that, given his "jokes" and general assishness, we really don't need any more John Anderson here. So he's banned. | 2013-11-16T00:31:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/22/mens-rights-website-falsely-accuses-ohio-university-student-of-being-a-false-rape-accuser/comment-page-6/#comment-377887 |
I'm giving wrongass a little timeout. Ally, hugs if you want them. You've got friends here. Did you hear back from the samaritans? |
2013-11-15T00:15:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/14/a-voice-for-mens-honey-badgers-ask-why-hasnt-anita-sarkeesian-been-harassed-more/comment-page-8/#comment-377462 |
FWIW, the show teaser was written (and I assume read) by TyphonBlue, not GWW, and I don't think she's Canadian. But I do support Bina's desert island initiative. I am sort of hoping that the entire manosphere might be persuaded to move here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvet_Island |
2013-11-14T15:58:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/14/a-voice-for-mens-honey-badgers-ask-why-hasnt-anita-sarkeesian-been-harassed-more/comment-page-1/#comment-376890 |
So what part of it is supposed to a joke? I mean, Elam and the HBs have said before in all seriousness that they think Sarkeesian deliberately incited the attacks on herself by going to 4chan. So just the "white knight" part is the joke? How exactly is that supposed to be, er, funny? Ha ha, she got rape and death threats but wasn't actually raped and killed, so therefore they were white knighting her! He ha! |
2013-11-14T15:18:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/14/a-voice-for-mens-honey-badgers-ask-why-hasnt-anita-sarkeesian-been-harassed-more/comment-page-1/#comment-376865 |
Crocheting is pretty punk rock these days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWAbWLBmG8 |
2013-11-14T00:16:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/12/mens-rights-public-relations-dont-call-all-women-crazy-bitches-even-if-they-totally-are-because-feminists-might-catch-you/comment-page-2/#comment-376691 |
So sorry, weeboy. Hugs. | 2013-11-13T19:28:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/13/spearheaders-prison-rape-is-just-fine-if-the-prisoner-is-hugo-schwyzer/comment-page-2/#comment-376625 |
On AVFM, Paul Elam, ace reporter, has apparently just learned about Schwyzer's DUI and is "reporting" that:
According to his blog post from yesterday, he was involved in a serious accident on Friday while under the influence of Klonopin, a psychiatric medication for which he has a prescription but was taking in excessive amounts.http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/hugo-schwyzer-charged-with-felony-dui/ One of the commenters has to tell him that the whole thing happened more than a month ago, which Elam probably should have picked up on from the large "September 30, 2013" at the top of Hugo's post. Or if he had taken 2 seconds to do a Google search to confirm the story. https://www.google.com/search?q=hugo+schwyzer+dui&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
2013-11-13T19:27:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/13/spearheaders-prison-rape-is-just-fine-if-the-prisoner-is-hugo-schwyzer/comment-page-2/#comment-376623 |
serrana's right about Karin's pic. I did a reverse image search and that pic has appeared on a zillion hairstyle blogs. Karin, I'm curious what your justification for using someone else's pic is. | 2013-11-13T12:15:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/29/how-bad-ideas-get-started-the-apex-fallacy-the-frontman-fallacy-and-the-murderer-marc-lepine/comment-page-11/#comment-376387 |
Yeah, I think Alex is taking a trip to bannsville. Partly because of this comment on Reddit, in a thread called "Without saying what IT is, why did you do it?" which seems to suggest he did something violent to an ex:
AlexReynard 1 point 1 day ago (1|0) Because she stalked me for a year and threatened my friends and their families if I stopped talking to her. There is nothing more cowardly than hurting someone through hurting their innocent loved ones. Zero regrets.http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1qegtt/without_saying_what_it_is_why_did_you_do_it/cdce1vt Sorry, dude, I don't want you around. No, wait, I'm really not sorry. |
2013-11-13T03:22:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/22/mens-rights-website-falsely-accuses-ohio-university-student-of-being-a-false-rape-accuser/comment-page-5/#comment-376273 |
Good's explanation:
Sorry. Every post I have ever posted on this site has been as “Good”.Sorry, dude, that doesn't answer any of my questions. Why were you and "Dana" posting with IPs that map to literally the exact same physical location? As in, what appears to be the same store in a strip mall. Now, IP locations don't necessarily map to where people are exactly, so I might even let that slide with a good explanation, but then there's this: Why are both of your email addresses in the form of: [color] [synonym for man] [two digit number beginning with the same digit]? And why was "Dana's" email associated with a male name elsewhere online? If you've got some brilliant explanations, I'd like to hear them, otherwise you are banned. I mean, I'm not exactly a brilliant cyber-detective, But I think maybe you're an even worse sockpuppeter, |
2013-11-12T23:41:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/11/rex-patriarch-explains-why-women-like-dogs-are-incapable-of-love/comment-page-6/#comment-376201 |
I haven't completely caught up with this topic yet, but I'm putting Good and his, uh, friend Dana on a little time-out until they give me a good explanation as to why the two of them seem to be posting from the exact same location, why their email addresses are similar in form to one another, and why "Dana's" email address is being used by someone with a male name elsewhere online. I may post the explanation so you all can vote on whether or not I should accept the explanation or if this should be a permanant timeout. |
2013-11-12T19:32:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/11/rex-patriarch-explains-why-women-like-dogs-are-incapable-of-love/comment-page-5/#comment-376055 |
From that [Citation Needed] blog:
March 4th is considered national pound cake day in the United States. The origin of this day is unknown but it appears to only date back to 2011.Typically on this day people who are a fan of pound cakes make them to share with their family and friends. Also many cooking television shows take time out to explain a pound cake recipe or two. Like many holidays, Pound Cake Day is not a federally recognized holiday so banks are still open and people still have to attend work and school.Damn it, when will Pound Cakes get the respect they deserve from our government!? http://citationneeded.tumblr.com/post/63825199660/pound-cake#sthash.t8CeQ2tx.dpuf |
2013-11-12T17:33:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/12/mens-rights-public-relations-dont-call-all-women-crazy-bitches-even-if-they-totally-are-because-feminists-might-catch-you/comment-page-1/#comment-375987 |
This discussion reminds me that I am out of fresh fruit. No, wait, I might have a few grapes left. |
2013-11-12T15:45:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/12/mens-rights-public-relations-dont-call-all-women-crazy-bitches-even-if-they-totally-are-because-feminists-might-catch-you/comment-page-1/#comment-375902 |
I think the real danger in anthropomorphizing pets comes not from assuming they have emotions like ours (because they obviously do) but from forgetting that many of their motivations are vastly different than us. The show My Cat From Hell really makes this clear. No, your cat isn't "being naughty" and "disobeying you." It's probably just full of excess energy because it's a hunter with nothing to hunt. I have one cat that comes up and sort of nips my hands sometimes. I think in the past I would have squirted a bitey cat with a squirt bottle, but now I get it: she's bored and wants to chase something and bite *that*. | 2013-11-11T20:56:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/11/rex-patriarch-explains-why-women-like-dogs-are-incapable-of-love/comment-page-1/#comment-375534 |
2-D man isn't a troll. His comment is a reference to a Reddit meme where people were going after Glenn Beck for making up shit about people by trying, jokingly, to spread a rumor that he's raped and murdered someone in 1992. I understand the point, but I agree that it's inappropriate and have deleted it. The original meme: not a good way to make a point about Glenn Beck either. |
2013-11-10T17:02:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/08/fidelbogen-writes-a-manifesto-and-its-even-more-turgid-than-youd-expect/comment-page-3/#comment-374944 |
Their logo is going to be the lower half of a baby in a huge, full diaper? | 2013-11-10T02:07:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/09/logo-contest-win-300/comment-page-2/#comment-374775 |
Congrats, LBT! Have you all gone and taken a look at the, er, real submissions? Some amazingly mediocre ones. I hope Paul chooses the one with the logo that looks like a stick man trying to have sex with a ladder. Or maybe the one that as far as I can tell depicts a butch short-haired woman trying to steal a small boy she's trapped in her cleavage. |
2013-11-09T20:04:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/09/logo-contest-win-300/comment-page-2/#comment-374660 |
Another great one from r/amr, by ywatch: http://i.imgur.com/Zq8FFMP.jpg | 2013-11-09T15:23:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/09/logo-contest-win-300/comment-page-1/#comment-374572 |
*crossing fingers for LBT also* | 2013-11-09T15:08:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/09/logo-contest-win-300/comment-page-1/#comment-374563 |
And one from a lurker: http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/6b/4e/5b/6b4e5b5a1fc75c5d49a153b81ed18003.jpg |
2013-11-09T14:04:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/09/logo-contest-win-300/comment-page-1/#comment-374535 |
I made another one: http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/55/03/26/5503262d54435dd07e3175a8ddbd2a20.jpg |
2013-11-09T13:54:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/09/logo-contest-win-300/comment-page-1/#comment-374530 |
Ooh, some good ones so far! I actually tried to submit mine to the contest, but they have to be in vector art form or some shit. So don't bother to sign up and submit yours unless you actually know about all that sort of thing. |
2013-11-09T13:42:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/09/logo-contest-win-300/comment-page-1/#comment-374529 |
Good, did you actually SEE Kill Bill? The women in the film don't actually spend all of their time talking about Bill. Here's the screenplay: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Kill-Bill-Volume-1-&-2.html The film passes the Bechdel test by the second scene in which the main character and one of her female enemies stop fighting to talk to the woman's daughter. Bill comes up later in the conversation, but the two women have a history of their own that they talk about. Interesting selective memory on your part. |
2013-11-08T15:32:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/07/mens-rightser-on-the-bechdel-test-why-do-women-need-to-talk-to-each-other-i-dont-get-it/comment-page-3/#comment-374160 |
naltia, thanks! I conclude from this that: I should probably extend my test to include cats. Also, I should probably rewatch Hellboy. And maybe watch Sunshine Cleaners. And that I should absolutely under no circumstances watch The Ugly Truth. Also, what kind of cat owner is she anyway!? You don't yell at a cat for breaking things. That's what cats do. |
2013-11-07T18:57:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/07/mens-rightser-on-the-bechdel-test-why-do-women-need-to-talk-to-each-other-i-dont-get-it/comment-page-2/#comment-373874 |
Huh. The only big recent-ish films tagged with "kitten" on IMDB, besides Trainspotting, are: Wedding Crashers Hellboy Drag Me to Hell The Ugly Truth (2009) Puss in Boots Wag the Dog Half Nelson Sunshine Cleaning Dante's Peak I've seen the top 3 films but don't remember the kitten subplots. Here's the kitten scene from Wag the Dog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDmDZi05dY I think it passes, though the "kitten" they use is clearly a full grown cat! Did anyone link to this yet? It's a Bechdel Test database of films (and discussions about whether or not they passed). http://bechdeltest.com/ |
2013-11-07T15:10:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/07/mens-rightser-on-the-bechdel-test-why-do-women-need-to-talk-to-each-other-i-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-373764 |
I dunno, I still think that Fargo is a great film, and feminist-ish, even though it's a "woman in a man's world" film with "one well-written female character." But it's an exceptional film in all senses of the word. |
2013-11-07T14:52:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/07/mens-rightser-on-the-bechdel-test-why-do-women-need-to-talk-to-each-other-i-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-373755 |
I actually want to propose a sort of reverse test inspired by the comment in the OP, the Man Boobz test: Two male characters in a movie having a conversation about a kitten. Can you think of any that pass? Maybe Trainspotting. |
2013-11-07T14:45:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/07/mens-rightser-on-the-bechdel-test-why-do-women-need-to-talk-to-each-other-i-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-373750 |
There are films that fail or barely pass the Bechdel test that have very good female characters -- Fargo, for example, which centers around a woman in the male-dominated world of law enforcement, and which may or may not pass the Bechdel test depending on how strict you are about it. But it's overall a useful metric, and it's revealing just how many movies fail it. No, failing it doesn't automatically make a movie terrible, but it's often a sign of lazy, sexist screenwriting. I haven't sat down to crunch numbers on this, but it seems to me that for better or worse horror movies are actually pretty good, relatively speaking, when it comes to passing the Bechdel test. They often have female lead characters -- as victim/survivors -- and enough other women in them that they can pass the tests even if the main villain (a regular topic of conversation) is a dude. |
2013-11-07T14:19:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/07/mens-rightser-on-the-bechdel-test-why-do-women-need-to-talk-to-each-other-i-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-373731 |
I do hope Schwyzer gets the treatment he needs. I also hope he goes to jail. | 2013-11-07T13:51:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/07/elizabeth-vargas-checks-into-rehab-a-voice-for-menners-gloat-moralize/comment-page-1/#comment-373710 |
To be fair, a lot of people, feminists and antifeminists alike, gloated about Schwyzer's meltdowns. But I don't recall any gloating comments here. Nor any "maybe now he'll be a better feminist" posts. Some MRAs, on the other hand, have suggested that now that he's seen how mean feminists are he'll want to join them. It's also worth pointing out that Vargas' "crimes" consisted of asking Elam some questions; Schwyzer's crimes -- not in quotes, because he's confessed to them -- include attempted murder of a (now ex) girlfriend and nearly killing another woman while DUI. |
2013-11-07T13:49:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/07/elizabeth-vargas-checks-into-rehab-a-voice-for-menners-gloat-moralize/comment-page-1/#comment-373706 |
Of course on top of all this he's factually wrong about the chants: the chants weren't actually the "antics of some unruly freshmen." The issue was that they were chanted by the students who had organized the orientation sessions, as part of the orientation program. | 2013-11-07T12:25:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/06/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-duped-by-obviously-fake-article-on-satirical-website/comment-page-2/#comment-373653 |
I think she was trying to say that they were sending Sarkeesian rape threats for suggesting that the character Princess Peach represented an old sexist trope of the damsel in distress. That's what I was talking about with her, in any case. | 2013-11-06T15:16:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/06/check-out-the-interview-of-me-on-vitamin-w/comment-page-1/#comment-373266 |
Toysoldier may be the most dishonest and disingenuous MRA I've ever run across. Possibly even more dishonest than Hembling. I don't doubt that he was abused, but based on my personal experience dealing with him I have no faith that anything else he says on any subject is true. But his gloating about LBT being attacked by an asshole troll was low, even for him. |
2013-11-06T15:11:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/20/mra-founding-father-warren-farrell-responds-to-questions-about-his-incest-research-with-evasive-non-answers-and-a-smiley/comment-page-7/#comment-373262 |
The wayback machine is having some technical troubles but the link should work once they are taken care of. Happily, I screenshotted the whole thing. | 2013-11-06T14:48:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/06/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-duped-by-obviously-fake-article-on-satirical-website/comment-page-1/#comment-373247 |
Jose, I don't quote the Liz Library "a lot." I refer to them on this issue because they've put this information online.
Here's the "genitally caressing" quote with the disputed word replaced by the one he claims he really said -- though he's also said he originaly said "gently."
[M]illions of people … are now refraining from touching, holding, and generally caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves.What's still very creepy to me about this statement -- particularly in the context of an interview about incest -- is the suggestion that parents who don't "touch, hold and generally caress" their children are "repressing their sexuality." Maybe it's possible to read that comment in a non-creepy way, but the rest of them? Not a chance. He had an opportunity to deal with all of these issues frankly in the Reddit AMA and he responded with evasive nonsense. |
2013-11-05T17:43:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/20/mra-founding-father-warren-farrell-responds-to-questions-about-his-incest-research-with-evasive-non-answers-and-a-smiley/comment-page-7/#comment-372694 |
Sweetie is kind of a juvenile delinquent. That look on her face is basically her "I'm going to lick your nose whether you like it or not" look. | 2013-11-05T17:18:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/05/meet-the-kitties-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-372670 |
The funny thing about the two cats in the iMac is that it really isn't about the two of them happily curling up together. Pantz (the black cat) was in there first, and Sweetie basically just climbed in and sat on her. | 2013-11-05T15:41:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/05/meet-the-kitties-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-372604 |
Jose, you don't have to trust the Liz library; they have posted high-quality scans of the original article. You can go look at them and see that he did indeed say all these things. AFAIK, he has only claimed that they misquoted literally one word of what he said, and if you go back and look at my original post on this, you can see that it doesn't really change the meaning of that statement very much -- ie, it's stil; very creepy. | 2013-11-05T14:39:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/20/mra-founding-father-warren-farrell-responds-to-questions-about-his-incest-research-with-evasive-non-answers-and-a-smiley/comment-page-7/#comment-372563 |
I do have the term in the moderation filter to prevent trolls from using it as a slur. | 2013-11-04T12:41:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/04/pickup-guru-roosh-v-tries-to-drum-up-page-views-with-vicious-transphobia-his-regulars-applaud/comment-page-1/#comment-372162 |
Vigs, I corrected "transwoman." But I'm using "tranny" in quotes because I am quoting the term used by the OP and the commenters there. When I quote people using slurs, I usually keep the slurs intact to convey just how awful what they're saying really is. | 2013-11-04T12:39:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/04/pickup-guru-roosh-v-tries-to-drum-up-page-views-with-vicious-transphobia-his-regulars-applaud/comment-page-1/#comment-372157 |
Asa, and that makes it better how? | 2013-11-04T11:28:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/04/pickup-guru-roosh-v-tries-to-drum-up-page-views-with-vicious-transphobia-his-regulars-applaud/comment-page-1/#comment-372127 |
Fibinachi, interesting that he provides that "you can check the context yourself" disclaimer, because in the case of the French quote, he clearly did not check the quote himself -- it's literally cut and pasted from one of these other sites. | 2013-11-03T17:09:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/03/a-quick-factchecking-of-yet-another-list-of-misandrist-quotes-reveals-the-same-old-mra-sloppiness-and-dishonesty/comment-page-1/#comment-371730 |
Note to jonatma420: I don;t let through videos posted by trolly MRAs because I don't want to have to watch them to see if they're appropriate. So you can keep posting them, and I'll keep trashing them. Or you can try to actually engage in discussion. | 2013-11-03T17:05:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/30/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-jaclyn-friedmans-takedown-of-the-mens-rights-movement-with-fart-fat-rape-jokes/comment-page-3/#comment-371728 |
Wow. Just caught up with all this. I can't possibly address everything here, but a few thoughts. I agree that my post was a bit glib about MRA racism/homophobia/transphobia; obviously it's more than incidental to the movement, which basically takes the complaints of white, straight, cis men and pretends that they're universal complaints and evidence of oppression. But again, to say that is not to say that all of these bigotries have equal weight in motivating MRAs. MRAs are utterly obsessed with woman-hatred; its what drives most of them. It's what they talk about constantly. Misogyny is to the MRM what racism is to the Klan, And that's why I wince when I see protesters showing up with a stock chant, and a stock analysis of the group they're confronting, that puts the issue of misogyny second in a list of concerns, and downplays it even further by calling it sexism. Hell, they didn't; even modify their stock chant enough to put "sexism" first in the list. It makes the whole protest a bit surreal, and as various people here have said, it allows the MRAs to define the debate on their terms. You wouldn't show up to counterprotest the Klan chanting "Sexist, racist, anti-gay, KKK, go away." People would look at you like you'd wandered in from another planet -- even though, yes, a properly intersectional examination of Klan ideology would show that sexism and homophobia are elements of its glorification of "traiditional" white society. So why on earth would anyone think that "Racist, sexist, antii-gay; MRA go away" was the best way to confront MRAs? Also, the "go away" part of the chant just sounds childish. I'm sorry. Unless you've got a crowd of thousands, chants don't really come across all that well on Youtube, which is where most people are going to see these sorts of protests, and this one was an especially poor choice both because it seemed oddly generic and misdirected and because it seemed childish. On the hammer and sickle and redbaiting. Personally, I'm not a fan of Stalinism or of a symbol which for most people is a symbol of oppression. I honestly don't understand what the protesters were trying to say by using it -- there was some suggestion they were doing so critically or ironically -- but almost everyone who sees this symbol is going to think of a brutal, failed totalitarian system. Whatever else that is, that's bad PR. If criticising Stalinism or the wisdom of people using symbols associated with Stalinism is "redbaiting" then I guess I'm a redbaiter. But of course by that logic many famous "reds" would also be redbaiters. My concern here is to figure out how to effectively counter MRAs, and I don't think this counterprotest was very effective in that regard. Happily, though, the MRAs made themselves look so terrible that the counterproductive things done by the counterprotesters didn't really make much of a difference. But we can't always count on that. Which is why we need to discuss what sorts of strategies are most effective in countering MRAs in a day and age when most protests are going to be seen mainly on youtube. On ways to effectively counterprotest, I really like the example babsbeaty gave. |
2013-11-03T16:25:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/turns-out-vice-made-a-video-about-that-mens-rights-rally-in-toronto-go-watch-it/comment-page-8/#comment-371714 |
NOTE: As many of you know, some of the bad blood from another thread spilled into this thread. Several commenters asked me to delete comments of theirs and so I have. I've also deleted a few other problematic comments, as well as other comments that, while not problematic themselves, made reference to the controversy. In a couple of places I edited out portions of comments and let the rest stand; these are indicated with little notes. Please keep this stuff out of this thread. I haven't had a chance to catch up on the rest of the thread yet, but I'm sorry so many of you have been dealing with rough stuff lately! |
2013-11-03T11:03:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-november-rain-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-371634 |
*sending good vibes your way* (If I had advice, I'd send that too.) |
2013-11-02T15:33:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-november-rain-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-370951 |
Collecting some recent personal comments from other threads:
Bad_dog Submitted on 2013/11/02 at 12:49 pm People can be shits… Sorry to rant here but I may have to “dump” someone close to me who I care about deeply but just can’t take their manipulation any longer. Friday I had to work late because of a really important presentation I am giving next week (which is essentially justifying a $2M program we are undertaking). I ended up getting out of work an hour late (which isn’t that bad IMHO). I had had plans with said friend after work. At 40 minutes after I was supposed to get off work I called said friend and said I would be another 20 min. He said he was still working anyway so I figured all was well. I called 25 min later when i finally got out of work and he said it was too late and he had gone home (lives kinda far away so driving back would be a bit impractical) and I made him wait for an hour and he got bored. When I confronted him saying that I had infact called him 25 minuts ago and he said he was still working I was pretty much called a liar (he said he never once said he was still working. Yes you did you ass! Quit gas lighting!). This isn’t even taking into account that I have waited well over an hour for him many times before. I’m done with this shit, but also feel like I have no other friends so I just put up with his shit.And a couple of comments from Acrtic Ape: Arctic Ape Submitted on 2013/11/02 at 11:13 am Since this is kinda Halloween open thread… I write in remembrance of my paternal grandmother, who died last night, quite appropriately since according to modern Finnish holiday calendar, All Hallow’s day is today and last night was what technically equals Halloween. This day we traditionally remember the dead by visiting family graves, but I’m not meeting any family, dead or alive, today, so I’d like to write here instead. Not to ask for consolation, just to remember. It was a relatively easy and expected death by deteriorating heart function. She was 88 years old and stubbornly lived at home until the last couple of days. My father did an admirable job visiting her frequently in another town, arranging her business and taking care of the house, although he apparently didn’t like her company much. I’m not at all sure I could do that. I know he feels relieved, but what else he feels I find hard to imagine. I was only moderately close to her, although this is the closest thing to losing a loved one I’ve yet seen in my short life. Not much compared to many others my age, let alone older people.In response to condolences from other commenters: Arctic Ape Submitted on 2013/11/02 at 2:18 pm Thanks, all. Like I said, it’s not a big deal, not for me anyway. Dunno about dad.In Sweden there’s an old tradition where kids dresses up as witches for Easter, go from house to house and give Easter pictures (pics of chickens and the like) in exchange for candy. The kids here do a sort of mash-up of traditional Swedish Easter and American Halloween for Halloween – they go from house to house dressed as witches, and give pictures of spiders and spooky castles in exchange for candy.That’s so cute. In Finland kids go around on Palm Sunday (week before Easter), dressed as witches (western/Swedish tradition), chanting ritualized blessings (eastern/Orthodox tradition). I don’t eat candy and I always forget to get it for Palm Sunday, but usually I don’t get kids on my door either. Especially since that time I handed apples to one large group :) |
2013-11-02T15:25:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-november-rain-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-370948 |
He was also the one shaking. I would feel bad for him about that -- lots of people are terrified of public speaking, and it's really nothing to be ashamed of -- but, you know, he's kind of a shit. | 2013-11-02T15:17:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/turns-out-vice-made-a-video-about-that-mens-rights-rally-in-toronto-go-watch-it/comment-page-1/#comment-370942 |
The smoking MRA is Dean Esmay, by the way. | 2013-11-02T15:14:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/11/02/turns-out-vice-made-a-video-about-that-mens-rights-rally-in-toronto-go-watch-it/comment-page-1/#comment-370939 |
r/mr posts a link to the MRA cosplayer, under the headline "and then they fight you." http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1pr80g/and_then_they_fight_you_jake_is_cosplaying_as_a/ Uh, dudes, hate to break it to you, but I think this still counts as the "then they laugh at you" stage. |
2013-11-02T14:17:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/31/truly-scary-halloween-costume-sexy-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-3/#comment-370923 |
Arctic Ape, my condolences. | 2013-11-02T11:58:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/31/truly-scary-halloween-costume-sexy-mens-rights-activist/comment-page-3/#comment-370890 |
For a while I thought I had trained my cats to play fetch with me and then I realized they had trained me to play fetch with them. | 2013-10-31T15:00:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/31/red-piller-training-a-loyal-well-behaved-dog-isnt-much-different-than-training-a-loyal-well-behaved-girlfriendplatefwb/comment-page-1/#comment-369939 |
I'm putting together a list of links of resources for men for the sidebar -- well, two lists, one of resources specifically for men, another for resources available regardless of gender. Just International, for example, is the best organization for men concerned with prison rape to get involved with, but it advocates for all victims regardless of gender, including trans* victims, who are disproportionately targeted, so I'm not including it in the "resources for men" list but rather in the "resources for all" list. I'd appreciate any suggestions that any of you have. Right now the list is American-centric; I may sprinkle some other resources in with the American ones or have a third list of international resources. |
2013-10-31T10:02:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-7/#comment-369815 |
Dean Esmay recently blocked me on Twitter. Maybe Diana and Paul should denounce him as an evil silencing tyrant. ... or not, because no one on Twitter is actually obligated to listen to people they don't want to listen to. I do think it's sort of funny who blocks me on Twitter, though, a list that includes: Dean Esmay, Matt Forney, Roosh, and Richard Dawkins. |
2013-10-31T00:40:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/30/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-jaclyn-friedmans-takedown-of-the-mens-rights-movement-with-fart-fat-rape-jokes/comment-page-2/#comment-369704 |
So I've been reading back through the comments here, and I'm thinking that the semantic (not legal) distinction I have been trying to make is really not worth the trouble that it is causing. I thought the distinction I was making was relatively clear, but the fact that it has been taken to mean all sorts of things I didn't intend it to mean suggests to me that the distinction I was making did not serve to clarify matters but to muddy them and so is not actually a helpful distinction to make. Obviously a lot of the people seizing on my comments -- on r/mr in particular -- are not doing so in good faith; they're just playing "gotcha." But the issue is more important than that, and I'm not going to dig in my heels because of them. I think MTP should be taken seriously regardless of whether it is classified as rape or as sexual assault other than rape. But I've been convinced by the comments here that this is probably overoptimistic on my part. If made-to-penetrate needs to be called rape to be taken as seriously as what has traditionally been called rape, then it should be called rape. So, yes, I have changed my mind on this. Made-to-penetrate should be classified as rape. |
2013-10-31T00:30:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-6/#comment-369701 |
freemage, that is a good point about marital rape. | 2013-10-30T22:29:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-6/#comment-369678 |
Ash, I simply do not believe that by calling MTP by a different term than rape that I am inherently declaring it less serious/important than rape. Obviously you disagree. We've both made our arguments. There is really no point in continuing this particular discussion. If you wish to discuss the CDC study I suggest you do that instead. |
2013-10-30T22:14:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-6/#comment-369676 |
That is should I treat victims of non-penetrative assault differently? How does one advocate for them? Does our philosophy allow for such advocacy? What new language should I develop? RapeBeta perhaps? How long before those words become common enough for the average victim to be able to use them? How much longer before it is in general use by the population?What on earth are you talking about? How hard is it to use the term "sexual assault?" Why would using a different term mean treating them "differently" in a bad way, or not advocating for victims of made-to-penetrate? You've just tacked a whole set of bizarre assumptions onto a word choice. If you call a truck a lorry, you can still drive it. Convince me that there is a reason to separate the groups that is beneficial to survivors (and/or victims) of BOTH groups and I will be right there with you defending it until I am blue in the face.I'm not separating the groups. I'm simply using different terminology to describe different forms of sexual assault. Victims of sexual assault are still victims of sexual assault. For the moment, granting that your “separate but equal” apologetics stand, how would you go about convincing the current group of male victims that what they experienced was not “rape?” How would that feel if you were in that position and someone told you, “Oh, rape means something every specific that only happens with forced penetration, but you were assaulted just the same?” Or worse yet, “Oh, that support group is only for rape survivors, you weren’t raped, so we really don’t have any offerings.”If a male survivor of made-to-penetrate calls what happened to him rape rather than sexual assault or sexual violence, I'm not going to tell him to call it anything different. And no one is going to kick him out of a survivor group because of a difference in terminology. . I find it hard to believe that the people making these arguments about what my stance allegedly means really believe all this and are making these arguments in good faith. I just had a similar discussion with someone on Twitter who clearly wasn't. If you were asking in good faith, I apologize, but you certainly jumped to a lot of conclusions about what I meant that were not what I meant at all. |
2013-10-30T22:00:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-6/#comment-369673 |
I will happily post a list of resources in the sidebar. Grumpycat, were you the person asking earlier about that emergency room rape victim advocacy organization my friend is involved with? It's rapevictimadvocates.org, which is local to Chicago, but my friend says there are groups like it all over, and that you might check with the YWCA in your area because they do it a lot as well. |
2013-10-30T17:54:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-5/#comment-369575 |
Ash, to clarify again, I'm not talking about the legal issues. Laws about sexual assault are complicated and vary state by state, country by country. I wouldn't classify made-to-penetrate as rape because I think it makes sense to use the term rape to refer only to sexual assault in which the victim is penetrated. (Except in the case of statutory rape in which it would apply more broadly; ie, if an older woman has sex with a boy under the age of consent that is rape.) That is my reasoning. Not sure what more you want here. I'm not saying it's a lesser crime. Maybe I'm wrong here. Obviously most people here disagree with me. |
2013-10-30T12:30:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-4/#comment-369409 |
Ash, I'm a writer, not a lawyer. My argument is a semantic one, not a legal one. | 2013-10-30T08:43:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-4/#comment-369343 |
Tamen, you were sexually assaulted. What happened to you was a violation of your bodily autonomy. I take that seriously. No, I would not classify that as rape, but I'm not going to tell you what you should call it, because it's your experience. Calling something a sexual assault, or "sexual violence other than rape" does not diminish it or erase the experience of the person who suffered it. Sexual assaults other than rapes deserve to be taken seriously just as rapes do. |
2013-10-30T08:41:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-4/#comment-369342 |
Ash, how on earth are you interpreting my saying that made-to-penetrate is "sexual violence and needs to be taken seriously" as the equivalent of "well it isn’t really that bad.” Obviously I am saying it IS bad. That's what saying it's ""sexual violence and needs to be taken seriously" means. There are a number of other forms of sexual assault that don't involve the victim being penetrated. They should all be taken seriously as well. But they shouldn't be classified as rape either. If you want to disagree with me on this, that's fine. Indeed, most of the commenters here do disagree with me on this point. But don't pretend that I said or implied something I didn't. |
2013-10-30T00:15:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-3/#comment-369253 |
I actually think it makes sense to categorize made-to-penetrate as a form of sexual violence other than rape, and to use the term rape for sexual acts in which the victim is penetrated. In any case, it is sexual violence and needs to be taken seriously. | 2013-10-29T10:38:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-1/#comment-368903 |
Good, you're citing a 1994 article to rebut a 2010 study. Excellent work, there. You will be captain of the debate team in no time. |
2013-10-28T13:44:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/28/at-a-voice-for-men-dead-baby-jokes-are-a-form-of-mens-human-rights-activism/comment-page-1/#comment-368465 |
Damn, Lou Reed does seem to have died. | 2013-10-27T14:01:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/27/mens-rights-redditor-when-the-feminist-utopia-comes-male-feminists-will-possibly-be-used-for-breeding-and-then-fed-to-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-368123 |
La Strega, nah, I just found it on teh interwebs. | 2013-10-27T10:51:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/27/mens-rights-redditor-when-the-feminist-utopia-comes-male-feminists-will-possibly-be-used-for-breeding-and-then-fed-to-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-368058 |
Joseph, thanks. I checked it out and updated the post. Not only is the basic idea unoriginal, but there are several similar passages -- and ROK stole the idea and wording for a particularly offensive graphic/caption combo. | 2013-10-27T09:41:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/25/attention-seeking-manosphere-guru-roosh-v-posts-article-on-why-you-should-beat-your-kids/comment-page-2/#comment-368049 |
mildlymagnificent, so sorry about your kitty. That's rough, even if you know it's coming. toujoursgai, wish I had some good advice! Sending beams of support your way. |
2013-10-26T14:38:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-september-edition/comment-page-9/#comment-367822 |
Uh, they used the phrase "your turn in the barrel," not simply "in the barrel." It's a clear reference to the rape joke, not a reference to, say, surfing. And I've never seen "in the barrel" used instead of "in our sights." | 2013-10-26T12:34:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/21/a-voice-for-men-attacks-a-male-activist-with-a-rape-joke-reference/comment-page-4/#comment-367811 |
Belated hugs for Ophelia! Also, maybe I should add a new category that will automaticalloy put someone on moderation: demanding proof of something addressed by social science even though you dismiss all social science data out of hand as unscientific. |
2013-10-24T00:08:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-27/#comment-366965 |
Feel better, LBT! | 2013-10-23T22:28:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/23/vox-day-the-talibans-attempt-to-silence-malala-yousafzai-was-perfectly-rational-and-scientifically-justifiable/comment-page-2/#comment-366931 |
I haven't caught up with this thread yet, but I'm putting hostile on moderation for his creepy rape joke thing. | 2013-10-23T22:16:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-27/#comment-366917 |
It appears the quote you pulled from the blog has been redacted.No, it's still there. I probably should have made clearer that he's got two separate posts on the subject, and I'm quoting from both of them. You need to follow the link right before I quote it; it's in the final paragraph of the post of his I link to there. |
2013-10-23T12:20:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/23/vox-day-the-talibans-attempt-to-silence-malala-yousafzai-was-perfectly-rational-and-scientifically-justifiable/comment-page-1/#comment-366408 |
Nolan used to comment here but I banned him. Given his recent behavior, I'm not likely to reconsider. | 2013-10-23T08:38:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/22/mens-rights-website-falsely-accuses-ohio-university-student-of-being-a-false-rape-accuser/comment-page-2/#comment-366311 |
Also, he's posted comments here under that name -- er, or calling? -- before, so any time I use it, I can just consider it a quotation of one of his remarks, which I'm entitled to quote because he posted them here. HA HA! |
2013-10-23T03:11:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/22/mens-rights-website-falsely-accuses-ohio-university-student-of-being-a-false-rape-accuser/comment-page-2/#comment-366274 |
The average Stoic Sophist, that's fine. I'll happily send him the gold. Provided he's willing to pay my standard 2000 troy ounces of 99.99% pure gold per 1,000 troy ounces of 99.99% pure gold delivery fee, which is of course payable in advance. | 2013-10-23T03:09:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/22/mens-rights-website-falsely-accuses-ohio-university-student-of-being-a-false-rape-accuser/comment-page-2/#comment-366273 |
FWIW, hostile IS posting from Germany. But jeeez. Either a massive troll or the most obtuse arguer alive. | 2013-10-22T17:34:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-18/#comment-365885 |
Speaking of TERFs, I don't know if anyone here follows my twitter, but Cathy Brennan has been outing trans sex workers lately and generally being awful, and some folks are starting to organize to fight her. See https://twitter.com/SinCityGrrrl for more details; you may need to scroll back a bit. | 2013-10-22T10:37:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-14/#comment-365410 |
ScoPi, yeah as I understand it, he's either a soverign citizen or has cobbled together some beliefs similar to that. He's been going around trying to set up his own courts to try govt officials in. There are also videos of him online of him appearing in real courts and delivering bizarre speeches to the judges about how he's not bound by their laws, etc. | 2013-10-22T10:30:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/22/mens-rights-website-falsely-accuses-ohio-university-student-of-being-a-false-rape-accuser/comment-page-1/#comment-365404 |
themaskandrose made some nasty remarks about rape and triggering that I don't care to repeat; that's why I modded him. He seems to think I modded him for too much TRUTH. | 2013-10-22T03:30:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/21/a-voice-for-mens-driversuz-male-care-and-compassion-for-women-is-why-women-dont-live-in-barns-and-pens-with-the-cows-pigs-and-chickens/comment-page-2/#comment-365345 |
You know, I can't remember if I banned themaskandrose the last time he was here, or just put him on moderation. But looking back over some of his earlier comments, and considering the namecalling and complete lack of substance of his comments today, and the fact that one contained a slur, I think I'll just put him on the ban list. | 2013-10-21T21:19:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-12/#comment-365202 |
If a voice for men is so hateful towards women, why are half of its featured writers and editors female?Because these women hate women almost as much as the men there do -- and sometimes, it seems, more, as the quote from Driversuz in the other thread suggests. Whether this is self-hate, or whether these women basically classify themselves as special snowflakes"not like other women" I'm not always sure, though GWW at least puts herself in the latter category. |
2013-10-21T21:00:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-12/#comment-365175 |
No true MRAs, huh? Paul Elam defended that video of JTO's in a video yesterday; I'll have something about that in my next post. | 2013-10-21T20:31:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/21/a-voice-for-mens-driversuz-male-care-and-compassion-for-women-is-why-women-dont-live-in-barns-and-pens-with-the-cows-pigs-and-chickens/comment-page-2/#comment-365139 |
Oh, hey, totally unrelated topic, but I've heard MRAs say that Antia Sarkeesian brought her harassment on herself because she "went on 4chan." As far as I can tell, that refers to this: http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/139813364/ But if you read the thread the person posting this says explicitly that they're NOT Sarkeesian. Is that picture even a picture of her? I did a google search by image and the only other place I found where the image appeared was this thread: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.387779-Jimquisition-Anita-Sarkeesian-The-Monster-Gamers-Created?page=10 Does anyone know any more about this? |
2013-10-21T20:25:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-11/#comment-365135 |
I hereby take back suggestion #2 because on further reflection that would be awesome. | 2013-10-21T20:09:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-11/#comment-365113 |
Well, ahostileworld, if negative attention is better than no attention at all, I guess the MRM is doing pretty decently. Might I suggest some other ways to get negative attention that are less destructive? 1) MRAs could sit down in public squares and rub themselves with their own poop. 2) MRAs could dress in bee costumes and march around in circles chanting the lyrics to "I'm Too Sexy." 3) MRAs could march around punching newspaper boxes and shouting "misandry!" until eventually someone called the police, or they injure their hands so badly they have to stop. 4) MRAs could eat a lot of beans and then go out in public. Every time they farted, they could announce that they were "gender warriors" and that this was their revenge for "female hypergamy." |
2013-10-21T20:06:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-11/#comment-365108 |
Maybe you feminists should think a bit about the fact that, as long as we are human, there will never be a resolution to this issue that doesn’t involve “sleeping with the enemy.”Uh, what? Assuming you don't mean this literally (that everyone needs to be in a heterosexual relationship), do you honestly think that the women here don't have men in their lives that they care about? Not necessarily romantic partners, but fathers, brothers, friends, etc. If you actually read the comments here as closely as I read the comments at your site you would know the answer to that question and wouldn't have to make assumptions. There are men who comment here as well as women, and people who don't fit as easily into the traditional gender binary; we talk about issues that affect everyone. But what kind of "enemies" are you talking about? I wouldn't date or marry a woman who thought higher education was a bad idea for men, or who published posts on her blog suggesting that male suffrage was a bad thing. So -- switching the genders back -- it's a little hard for me (and obviously for others here) to see how your wife can reconcile her notions of you as the decent person she knows in real life with the things you write on your blog, which are pretty far from decent. Hence the puzzled tone of a lot of the questions asked of her. Maybe you can learn a few things from her. I hope so. |
2013-10-21T03:52:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-5/#comment-364506 |
JohnTheOtter apparently thinks it's super-cool that he was exposed as a compulsive liar who hates women. He added some comments about the piece to his original post in which he predicted he'd be called a loser who couldn't get laid, Now he says of Kelly:
AMMENDMENT: [Sunday 20 October 2013] R Tod Kelly, writing for the Daily Beast has finally delivered, and published his article. After waiting for months for his attack – he did what none of us expected. He wrote a thorough, well researched and comprehensive summary of the entire Men’s human rights movement, including Paul, who Kelly calls a rock star, and myself he calls a superstar. Admittedly, he also offers some criticism of the movement and of me – but Kelly’s article is inarguably the best addressing this movement ever published in the mainstream. The Superstar characterization was obviously over the top. But clearly, I’m not the only writer occasionally indulging in hyperbole. And I was wrong in my prediction of the same old attack. Well done Mr Kelly, very well done indeed. To everyone besides Mr Kelly, go read it. Seriously.http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/jto-goes-under-bus/ Well, I guess if you're a compulsive liar who's part of a movement that hates women and that men who are truly trying to help want to have nothing to do with, then an article that portrays you as a compulsive liar who's part of a movement that hates women and that men who are truly trying to help want to have nothing to do with is a win? |
2013-10-20T23:20:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-4/#comment-364430 |
Oy, Dan. Find something else to do today, b/c I'm putting you on moderation for all your obnoxious "take your meds like good mental patients" crap last night, and I'm not going to be checking the moderation queue for a loong time. . | 2013-10-20T11:13:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-1/#comment-364050 |
Feminist Bees, I think Price was probably polite to him -- a big change from, say, Hembling's refusal to talk to him, followed by a rant -- and he took politeness as evidence of moderation. He can't have spent much time reading The Spearhead or perusing its comments section. | 2013-10-20T10:24:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/comment-page-1/#comment-364032 |
I think the DB may have exaggerated Hembling's role parly as an excuse to run all that stuff completely demolishing his credibility. Maybe I'm being cynical. | 2013-10-20T08:47:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/19/manosphere-cat-fight-highlights-the-aftermath-of-nothing-happening/comment-page-1/#comment-364010 |
Yeah, I think the DB is completely wrong about Hembling being "heir apparent." AFVM is Elam's baby, and it's doubtful it could survive w/o him. Though I don't know how long it will survive w/ him, given his amazing ability to alienate everyone. | 2013-10-20T08:45:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/19/manosphere-cat-fight-highlights-the-aftermath-of-nothing-happening/comment-page-1/#comment-364009 |
I'm still fascinated with this stuff after three years. They keep coming up with new ways to be assholes! | 2013-10-20T03:05:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/19/manosphere-cat-fight-highlights-the-aftermath-of-nothing-happening/comment-page-1/#comment-363984 |
And welcome aboard, Scary Loot! | 2013-10-19T22:44:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-in-his-own-words/comment-page-5/#comment-363879 |
Dan, you are a TERRIBLE debater. I don't see a single cat video from you. | 2013-10-19T22:42:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-in-his-own-words/comment-page-5/#comment-363878 |
Ak, sorry to hear that! Hope your brother is ok! On the so/so thing, apparently the "true crime" episode they ran last night had been scheduled to run previously but had been delayed due to breakign news, so it looks like that's why the manosphere thing was bumped. In the meantime, the bad publicity bonanza for AVFM continues: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/20/the-masculine-mystique-inside-the-men-s-rights-movement-mrm.html |
2013-10-19T21:27:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/19/manosphere-cat-fight-highlights-the-aftermath-of-nothing-happening/comment-page-1/#comment-363808 |
Ok, Dan, I will debate you. But I don't want to debate any of this paternity stuff. I want to debate kitties. The format will be youtube videos of kitties. (You don't have to make them, just find them.) Here is my first contribution to the debate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83IG1LbKd0E I await your rebuttal. |
2013-10-19T20:40:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-in-his-own-words/comment-page-4/#comment-363783 |
If it may please the Alex, might I humbly suggest that you read the thread? | 2013-10-19T04:44:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/14/ladies-what-are-your-favorite-unchecked-feeemale-privileges/comment-page-4/#comment-363496 |
Oh, and conspiracy theories aside, it looks like the show was delayed because the episode that aired tonight was originally scheduled to run earlier, but was delayed due to breaking news. Not sure why they didn't announce this sooner, but whatev. http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/10/investigation_into_sheena_morris_death_to_be_featured_on_abcs_2020_tonight.html |
2013-10-19T02:24:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/2020-story-postponed-again/comment-page-2/#comment-363488 |
Was just looking at the (mostly uneventful) AVFM forum thread on the 20/20 thing. Some of them apparently think ABC used editing tricks to "Hobbitize" Elam -- ie, make him look short. http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showthread.php?tid=6842&pid=57428#pid57428 |
2013-10-19T02:03:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/2020-story-postponed-again/comment-page-2/#comment-363487 |
Cloudiah, what an ass of a priest. | 2013-10-18T21:58:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/2020-story-postponed-again/comment-page-1/#comment-363401 |
But on that blond hair thing, I had basically white hair as a kid, then (fairly early) it just turned brown (evidence of this: the picture in the sidebar). Though it was lighter then. My sister had blond hair at least through her twenties, but it got progressively darker and now it's brown. Also she hunts mammoths. |
2013-10-18T05:41:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/17/intra-vaginal-anti-cuckoldry-tactics-and-the-psychobiology-of-semen-an-evo-psych-pop-quiz/comment-page-3/#comment-363073 |
DOES NOT COMPUTE | 2013-10-18T05:37:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/17/intra-vaginal-anti-cuckoldry-tactics-and-the-psychobiology-of-semen-an-evo-psych-pop-quiz/comment-page-3/#comment-363072 |
Also: just because you're sexually submissive doesn't mean that all women are, or that they should be. | 2013-10-18T04:54:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/17/amanda-marcotte-takes-down-sunshine-mary-mary-digs-her-hole-deeper/comment-page-2/#comment-363066 |
The comments over at SSM are really something; I'm only now reading them. All this earnest talk about how much women really want to be "semen toilets" for men, mixed with reflections on "the peace of Christ." Yes, we get it. You're sexually submissive. Nothing inherently wrong with that. Lots of people are, and not just women. That's their kink. You don't have to take this to mean that women are actually inferior to men and should be submissive outside the bedroom. |
2013-10-18T04:53:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/17/amanda-marcotte-takes-down-sunshine-mary-mary-digs-her-hole-deeper/comment-page-2/#comment-363065 |
yoyo, I didn't put you on moderation. You signed in (perhaps accidentally) with a different account, or name or something, today and got moderated b/c of that, and then got moderated again when you switched you email. Everyone who posts with a new account gets moderated until I approve their first comment. | 2013-10-17T22:18:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/15/spearheader-a-female-students-critical-column-on-columbus-proves-women-dont-deserve-college-educations/comment-page-6/#comment-362937 |
So Amanda Marcotte wrote about this: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/16/simple-answers-to-overwrought-hysterical-questions/ And Sunshine Mary responded: http://sunshinemaryandthedragon.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/scary-reality-my-response-to-amanda-marcottes-criticism-of-my-essay/ |
2013-10-17T20:38:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/14/sunshine-mary-the-result-of-feminism-is-that-women-have-been-reduced-to-being-nothing-but-sex-objects/comment-page-4/#comment-362876 |
I don't know what's going on with the recent comments widget. It's working ok for me right now. I assume it's a wordpress problem; I know they've had other wordpress.com-wide problems with widgets before. | 2013-10-17T20:12:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/17/intra-vaginal-anti-cuckoldry-tactics-and-the-psychobiology-of-semen-an-evo-psych-pop-quiz/comment-page-3/#comment-362872 |
Well, Elam has also tried to disassociate himself from the MRM as well by calling his gang the MHRM. He's a control freak, that's all that means, and he doesn't want to be part of anything that hes' not the boss of. But that doesn't change the fact that these sites, these people, are all intimately connected with one another. I had forgotten that Roosh was interviewed too. As for Jaclyn Friedman, the 20/20 folks filmed her and Elam having a discussion at a cafe. Insofar as it's possible to have a discussion with Elam. They also filmed her separately, and filmed Sarkeesian separately. |
2013-10-17T20:08:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/16/program-note-abcs-2020-story-on-the-manosphere-will-run-this-friday/comment-page-2/#comment-362868 |
ted, to go back to one of your earlier comments, I understand that there's a difference between evo psych as practiced by academics and as understood by pickup artists, etc., but the stuff I quoted today IS from academics. The paper I quoted was written by a grad student under the supervision of her advisor (who's currently a full prof at a Canadian university); the book -- which is one of the strangest and most misguided things I've ever read -- is by a former academic who taught at a number of British universities and published dozens of papers in academic journals. Meanwhile, some of the strangest and most backward notions I've run across in Evo Psych have come from some of the biggest names in the field. David Buss, for example. I certainly understand the logic behind evo psych, and I would like to believe there is good work being done in the field, but I keep running across stuff that is astonishingly bad as science and completely retrograde in its politics -- lots of casual discussion of domestic violence as a "mate retention strategy," for example, with not even the barest acknowledgement that DV is, you know, a bad thing. Also, I can't remember who mentioned the thing about "blocker" sperm, but that was one of the big arguments of the Baker book. It seems to have been discredited. I can dig up some links if necessary. Also, someone mentioned they wanted to email me. I realize pple reading this on smartphones may not be able to see the sidebar; I'm reachable at futrelle at well dot com. |
2013-10-17T19:23:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/17/intra-vaginal-anti-cuckoldry-tactics-and-the-psychobiology-of-semen-an-evo-psych-pop-quiz/comment-page-2/#comment-362857 |
I think Buttercup is right about the emotional blocking thing. I've seen that argument from other manospherian evo psych fans, | 2013-10-16T20:12:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/16/a-pickup-artist-asks-the-question-is-it-possible-for-women-to-be-a-healthy-promiscous-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-362321 |
Bob Dole, Price's response to altogether reasonable criticism: Priceless! Wait, that doesn't work, does it? |
2013-10-16T17:05:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/15/spearheader-a-female-students-critical-column-on-columbus-proves-women-dont-deserve-college-educations/comment-page-2/#comment-362233 |
I think the assumption here -- for both Just Saying and Sunshine Mary -- is that women shouldn't be reduced to nothing more than sex objects. Instead, they should be reduced to babymaking, house-cleaning, meal-cooking sex objects (but only if married). I'm not sure where "blogging" fits in all this for Sunshine Mary. I assume it's ok only insofar as it doesn't interfere with her real duties,or provide her with any sense of self-worth or anything like that. |
2013-10-14T21:09:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/14/sunshine-mary-the-result-of-feminism-is-that-women-have-been-reduced-to-being-nothing-but-sex-objects/comment-page-2/#comment-361696 |
If it may please the feemales, might I humbly suggest that I got Ninjaed here on the poverty thing. | 2013-10-14T19:37:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/14/ladies-what-are-your-favorite-unchecked-feeemale-privileges/comment-page-1/#comment-361599 |
If it may please the feemales, might I humbly suggest that I like that he's got "less [sic] workplace injuries," "less workplace deaths," and "safer working conditions" as three separate items. Sorry, four: he's got "safer working conditions" twice. Similar redindancies w/ regard to education. Also "less productivity pressure" and "expected to choose easier career." Which aside from being redundant are, uh, sort of WTF. Also: "Punished less for changing your mind." What is this even referring to? Also, "less likely to live in poverty." No, dude. Women are more likely to live in poverty. http://www.globalpovertyproject.com/infobank/women http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminization_of_poverty |
2013-10-14T19:35:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/14/ladies-what-are-your-favorite-unchecked-feeemale-privileges/comment-page-1/#comment-361594 |
Ah, I didn't realize that was supposed to be an image of a girl on a computer screen. Now it makes sense. Wonderful to see MRAs defending child porn. |
2013-10-14T17:24:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/12/mens-rights-jeopardy-ill-take-kill-the-btch-for-two-dozen-upvotes-alex/comment-page-5/#comment-361501 |
Off-topic, but can anyone make sense of the cartoon in the latest post here? (It's NSFW, and very very creepy.) http://www.antifeministtech.info/ Presumably it's the 14-year-old in the window, and she's mocking the older woman. But who is the older woman yelling at? |
2013-10-14T15:05:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/12/mens-rights-jeopardy-ill-take-kill-the-btch-for-two-dozen-upvotes-alex/comment-page-4/#comment-361456 |
Here's a snapshot from the Wayback Machine from when they posted Ball's manifesto in their "activism" section: http://web.archive.org/web/20130423205908/http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism/tom-ball-murdered-by-the-family-courts/ If you click on the "activism" tab at the top you can see the link to the page you're viewing. |
2013-10-14T14:12:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/11/oops-roosh-vs-fatshamingweek-rallies-fat-acceptance-activists-makes-fat-shamers-look-like-the-dicks-they-are/comment-page-4/#comment-361447 |
Troll is banned. | 2013-10-12T02:56:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/15/on-reddit-a-woman-explains-to-other-women-why-men-hate-them-spoiler-alert-its-because-women-suck/comment-page-4/#comment-360785 |
I don't know what's going on with that site. I deleted his comment and banned him. | 2013-10-11T20:00:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/faq/comment-page-5/#comment-360687 |
I looked up some list of commonly prescribed psychiatric medicines and Xanax was at the top of the list, so it's still being prescribed. Maybe it's not getting prescribed as a new med for patients much anymore because there are better ones, but a lot of people who were prescribed it years ago are still hooked on it? | 2013-10-09T16:01:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/09/what-matt-forneys-case-against-female-self-esteem-reveals-about-his-own-deep-insecurities/comment-page-1/#comment-360074 |
Now I'm feeling a little bad for Mr. Forney. Apparently he had to interact with a black person! https://twitter.com/realmattforney/status/388042716523016192 |
2013-10-09T15:53:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/09/what-matt-forneys-case-against-female-self-esteem-reveals-about-his-own-deep-insecurities/comment-page-1/#comment-360069 |
Is Xanex even presecribed for depression all that much? I know depression and anxiety disorders are all deeply intertwined, but that seems an odd choice of a drug to mention when talking about depression and insecurity. | 2013-10-09T15:23:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/09/what-matt-forneys-case-against-female-self-esteem-reveals-about-his-own-deep-insecurities/comment-page-1/#comment-360055 |
I don't know, that loitering-in-parks-until-the-wimmins-lock-up-their-children plan makes a lot of sense to me. | 2013-10-08T17:04:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/08/mens-rights-quote-of-the-day-your-typical-woman-would-be-fine-making-most-men-live-in-cages/comment-page-1/#comment-359857 |
Fixed the damn video embedding. Wordpress is supposed to automatically convert youtube embed code to its own embed code, but sometimes it just removes the last bit of the youtube code instead. | 2013-10-08T14:41:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/08/youtube-mra-stefan-molyneux-blames-miriam-careys-fatal-dc-car-chase-on-rank-female-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-359799 |
I'm not sure how MRAL's comment got through. He actually sent me a note asking me to delete it. And so I have. |
2013-10-07T18:22:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/02/deprived-of-new-women-to-hate-in-toronto-a-voice-for-menners-resort-to-rape-jokes-gay-bashing/comment-page-6/#comment-359621 |
FWIW, Forney has responded to this post by denying he's LaidNYC -- hey, he knows better than I do -- and suggesting (of me) that "Not even a street whore could stand that gelatinous, goggle-eyed slob." Then he posted this: https://twitter.com/realmattforney/status/387348399441190912 |
2013-10-07T17:57:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/07/is-the-disgusting-manosphere-blogger-laidinnyc-actually-the-disgusting-manosphere-blogger-matt-forney/comment-page-1/#comment-359614 |
You may have been reading it as LaidInNYC because I had it that way before. Oops. Also, I added some stuff to the post. Forney denies it on Twitter. More to the point: I found an audio interview with LaidNYC, and linked to it and to a podcast by Forney. The voices are similar. I don't know if it's the same guy. Any thoughts? |
2013-10-07T14:29:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/07/is-the-disgusting-manosphere-blogger-laidinnyc-actually-the-disgusting-manosphere-blogger-matt-forney/comment-page-1/#comment-359556 |
That Forney post is on my "to do" list. | 2013-10-04T09:02:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/03/men-only-commit-crimes-to-make-women-happy-explains-lady-mra/comment-page-4/#comment-358754 |
Maru has a kitten! Also, I kind of love that the MRAs are basing their understanding of the world on My Big Fat Greek Wedding. |
2013-10-03T15:59:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/03/men-only-commit-crimes-to-make-women-happy-explains-lady-mra/comment-page-2/#comment-358567 |
Quackers, oh, lordy, I think I need to go read that post. I have such a backlog of terrible mra/pua posts to write about, but I keep getting distracted by the toronto things. Also, everyone, I banned MRAL/Thomas Moore. Sorry bout the delay. I was napping, and my main email is temporarily out, so I didn't discover his rampage until I just now caught up with this thread,. |
2013-10-03T03:24:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/02/deprived-of-new-women-to-hate-in-toronto-a-voice-for-menners-resort-to-rape-jokes-gay-bashing/comment-page-5/#comment-358373 |
Rainbow nesting dolls!
Also, in case you're wondering: Yes, GirlWritesWhat has a ridiculous defense for Nick Reading's boorish, misogynistic behavior at the rally:
Nick is playing a part. He's running in the municipal election in Edmonton's Ward 8 on the Patriarchy Party ticket, so he has to be as over-the-top satirical as he can, so that any reasonable person knows he's lampooning the feminists' idea of how patriarchy works.http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1nik4n/mr_edmonton_at_toronto_feminist_antimr_protest/ccj6wi1 Yes, clearly people in Toronto will know that this skinhead MRA doofus making rape jokes is merely playing the part of a joke candidate for city council in Edmonton, 2000 miles away, and not REALLY a skinhead MRA doofus making rape jokes. |
2013-10-02T16:26:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/02/deprived-of-new-women-to-hate-in-toronto-a-voice-for-menners-resort-to-rape-jokes-gay-bashing/comment-page-2/#comment-358080 |
Menti, you're right, the symbol is flipped horozontally. But who's going to notice that, and what is that supposed to mean? | 2013-10-02T15:16:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/02/deprived-of-new-women-to-hate-in-toronto-a-voice-for-menners-resort-to-rape-jokes-gay-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-358066 |
Oh, the sign in the picture says "listen to women." That's one of the counterprotesters. As you can see, Nick and Dean are standing right in the middle of their group. | 2013-10-02T15:11:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/02/deprived-of-new-women-to-hate-in-toronto-a-voice-for-menners-resort-to-rape-jokes-gay-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-358063 |
I think at this point the hammer and sickle symbol has been so poisoned by decades of use by totalitarians that it's a terrible symbol to use, whatever the intent. It's a Leninist symbol in any case, and though I realize others here may disagree with my assessment I believe Lenin is the one who made Stalin's regime possible both practically and ideologically. |
2013-10-02T15:08:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/02/deprived-of-new-women-to-hate-in-toronto-a-voice-for-menners-resort-to-rape-jokes-gay-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-358059 |
I second sittiekittie here. And can we all just let this drop? | 2013-10-01T22:34:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/27/nick-reading-of-mens-rights-edmonton-if-they-didnt-scream-no-how-else-would-i-get-an-erection/comment-page-5/#comment-357848 |
Aw, Cloudiah, that's really tough. Hugs if you want them. | 2013-10-01T01:08:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-september-edition/comment-page-7/#comment-357450 |
Katz: http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/OohBurn.gif | 2013-09-30T23:52:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/29/confused-losers-at-a-voice-for-men-congratulate-themselves-on-their-colossal-success-in-toronto/comment-page-3/#comment-357432 |
Ah, I notice in the comments that Groth has "clarified" his statement with something that seems to say, oh I didn't really say those words, I said some similar words and I didn't really mean it, I really meant the opposite, I was just trying to smooth things over for any feminists listening. Paul seems to accept the apology. Putting aside the weirdness of Groth's self-contradictory explanation, shouldn't Paul have maybe contacted him first before attacking him in public over what he thought he had said? |
2013-09-30T23:11:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/29/confused-losers-at-a-voice-for-men-congratulate-themselves-on-their-colossal-success-in-toronto/comment-page-3/#comment-357404 |
So here's Elam's take on the whole thing. http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/reflecting-on-toronto/ Along with the predictable self-contratulation, 2 things worthy of note: 1) Apparently he got in a bit of trouble with the police there b/c people from his side went over and tried to provoke shit with the counterprotesters (in the video I noticed our pal Nick Reading in his sandwich board being led back to the MRA side by the cops after visiting the counterprotesters). 2) Elam spends about half his post taking their own speaker (Miles Groth, the one who gave the lecture on friday) to task for one sentence in his talk praising the White Ribbon campaign and Walk A Mile In Her Shoes events. BECAUSE THE GREAT AND MIGHTY ELAM HAS DECLARED THOSE THINGS TO BE EVIL MISANDRY. NO ONE MUST DISPUTE THE MIGHTY ELAM. Good luck building your movement, dude who can't stand anyone disagreeing with him about anything ever. |
2013-09-30T22:35:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/29/confused-losers-at-a-voice-for-men-congratulate-themselves-on-their-colossal-success-in-toronto/comment-page-3/#comment-357368 |
Weird about the fact that the background in this video looks fake. The RSD people do in fact travel around the world doing "bootcamps" and have many videos in which they clearly are in the places they say they are.
I haven't figured out if Good is arguing anything in good faith or if he's just trolling/gaslighting, but his "lesbian PUA" links are pretty funny. One is a blog with 4 posts, all from 4 years ago, another is from a site that despite the "lesbian" tag seems to actually be marketing stuff to women on how to meet men, and the other is a definition of lesbian PUA from a (straight male) PUA site that includes this bit of "insight" as to what lesbians talk about when they're macking on one another:
Girl-game can revolve around a lot of compliments and “chick crack”, talk that doesn’t go anywhere or have any directional, logically value. It can be about shoes, or how someone felt that day when she saw a friend of hers. Girls can go round and round in circles on conversation as long as the emotion is there, logic is not necessary.Original Source: http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions/lesbian-pua/ |
2013-09-30T20:55:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/30/the-freak-out-artist-julian-from-real-social-dynamics-takes-gaslighting-to-a-new-level/comment-page-3/#comment-357261 |
Athywren, A Voice for Men has its own "Go My Own Way" song, which bears no resemblance to the similarly titled Fleetwood Mac song. I think that's' the one whoever you were quoting was talking about. Here it is. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHslWTN1zsE |
2013-09-30T07:45:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/29/confused-losers-at-a-voice-for-men-congratulate-themselves-on-their-colossal-success-in-toronto/comment-page-1/#comment-356938 |
I am still reeling from Cloudiah's revelation that at one point in the rally Dean Esmay was in fact wearing long pants. HOW AND WHEN DID HE CHANGE INTO SHORTS OUTDOORS AT A PARK? And did he desecrate the war memorial in the process? Or do Canadian parks have changing rooms in them, along with free healthcare? |
2013-09-30T02:26:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/28/speaker-at-mens-rights-rally-of-the-century-in-toronto-calls-on-mras-to-take-up-arms-against-communists/comment-page-4/#comment-356905 |
Katz, I think the event is a failure relative to the hoopla made about it beforehand (and now); if you say, hey we're having a little rally, and you have a little rally, that's one thing. if you promise the showdown of the century and throw all of the energy of the MRM's biggest and really only activist blog into promoting it for a month, and fly people from across the country to it, and this is what you get, well, it's a giant failure. | 2013-09-29T23:00:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/29/confused-losers-at-a-voice-for-men-congratulate-themselves-on-their-colossal-success-in-toronto/comment-page-1/#comment-356859 |
I'm really baffled by the claim that abstinence isn't a real choice. I'm under the impression that, if you do not have sex with a particular woman, that woman will not be able to hold you responsible for her pregnancy or liable for child support. Is this because of SPERMJACKING? | 2013-09-29T08:05:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/28/speaker-at-mens-rights-rally-of-the-century-in-toronto-calls-on-mras-to-take-up-arms-against-communists/comment-page-3/#comment-356765 |
Warren Farrell likes to go on about how unfair it is that men are "drafted" into being "unpaid bodyguards" for the women in their lives. And that this is an unfair imposition on men overall. He sort of forgets that these "bodyguards" are protecting these women from ... other men. Insofar as they are actually protecting them and not the ones actually harming them. As a dude, I think I had to serve as a "bodyguard" for a woman all of once in recent memory, and that just consisted of me telling a dude he had to leave. I've also had to step in to keep a drunk male friend from starting a fight. That was actually a much more dicey situation. |
2013-09-29T06:57:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/28/speaker-at-mens-rights-rally-of-the-century-in-toronto-calls-on-mras-to-take-up-arms-against-communists/comment-page-3/#comment-356753 |
Kiwi girl -- I let your comment through. yeah, a certain # of links trigger moderation. I'll go increase it a bit, since that tends to cause trouble. Also, I think they're only claiming 100 for the talk. It couldn't have been 100 for the "rally." And obviously a good portion of the people there were "organizers", media, etc. |
2013-09-29T03:32:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/28/speaker-at-mens-rights-rally-of-the-century-in-toronto-calls-on-mras-to-take-up-arms-against-communists/comment-page-3/#comment-356734 |
Considering that AVFM's official cartoonist has done about three dozen cartoons of me as a giant baby-man in diapers, I can't feel too bad about using photos of them that aren't completely flattering. Not that ANY of the photos of the event make them look good. | 2013-09-29T00:51:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/28/speaker-at-mens-rights-rally-of-the-century-in-toronto-calls-on-mras-to-take-up-arms-against-communists/comment-page-2/#comment-356666 |
I like this pic as well. Captures the sheer excitement of the event: https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q75/s720x720/1209146_171427179714885_221649057_n.jpg |
2013-09-29T00:35:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/28/speaker-at-mens-rights-rally-of-the-century-in-toronto-calls-on-mras-to-take-up-arms-against-communists/comment-page-2/#comment-356659 |
Cloudiah, I couldn't resist adding that pc to the post. Paul looks so cute there in his little "I HEART FTSU" t-shirt! | 2013-09-29T00:24:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/28/speaker-at-mens-rights-rally-of-the-century-in-toronto-calls-on-mras-to-take-up-arms-against-communists/comment-page-1/#comment-356651 |
I watched the video covering the rest of the rally; not too exciting. I added a bit to the post on it. | 2013-09-28T19:39:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/28/speaker-at-mens-rights-rally-of-the-century-in-toronto-calls-on-mras-to-take-up-arms-against-communists/comment-page-1/#comment-356575 |
Matt Forney is desperate for attention, and trying to provoke. But I am planning to write about that awful post. | 2013-09-28T01:30:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/27/nick-reading-of-mens-rights-edmonton-if-they-didnt-scream-no-how-else-would-i-get-an-erection/comment-page-3/#comment-356454 |
I just added a video to the OP with more about this particular espisode of Honey Badger radio -- most interestingly, what was going on in the official chatroom for the show at the time. It wasn't pretty. | 2013-09-27T20:50:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/27/nick-reading-of-mens-rights-edmonton-if-they-didnt-scream-no-how-else-would-i-get-an-erection/comment-page-2/#comment-356413 |
A further thought on all this: when the ShitRedditSays people satirize what people think of them, they make funny graphics filled with in-jokes about rubbery purple dildoes and mean angels stealing internet points. http://manboobz.com/2012/05/25/shitredditsays-has-an-art-attack/ When AVFM/Men's Rights Edmonton tries to satirize what they think feminists think of them, they make rape jokes. Also: auggz, I think the FeMRA who made the "battered women" joke was Erin Pizzey in her Reddit AMA. |
2013-09-27T19:37:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/27/nick-reading-of-mens-rights-edmonton-if-they-didnt-scream-no-how-else-would-i-get-an-erection/comment-page-2/#comment-356399 |
A Voice for Men takes in well over $100,000 a year in donations by its own admission. Not a penny of it goes to actually helping men, as far as I can tell. | 2013-09-27T07:47:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/26/meet-the-patriarchy-party-the-latest-bid-for-media-attention-from-mens-rights-edmonton/comment-page-3/#comment-356112 |
DoublePlusUnBadBetterGoodereresterer | 2013-09-27T07:25:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/26/meet-the-patriarchy-party-the-latest-bid-for-media-attention-from-mens-rights-edmonton/comment-page-3/#comment-356108 |
Exactly! Gooder is a better word! | 2013-09-27T07:14:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/26/meet-the-patriarchy-party-the-latest-bid-for-media-attention-from-mens-rights-edmonton/comment-page-2/#comment-356102 |
Why isn't there a Gooder? | 2013-09-27T07:06:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/26/meet-the-patriarchy-party-the-latest-bid-for-media-attention-from-mens-rights-edmonton/comment-page-2/#comment-356098 |
Actually, I think TyphonBlue runs pics through filters, and then traces over them and fiddles with them. So it's not just filters. But it's not exactly great original art. And sometimes it's so lazy it doesn't look like she did anything more than run it through a filter. Naturally, I lazily run pics through the "ink sketch" and "pencil sketch" filters on Paint.net (as well as similar photoshop filters) all the time for my man boobz graphics, but I don't actually pretend to be an artist when I'm doing that. |
2013-09-27T01:17:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/26/meet-the-patriarchy-party-the-latest-bid-for-media-attention-from-mens-rights-edmonton/comment-page-2/#comment-356067 |
The picture of Nick on the pamphlet is supposed to look evil and creepy; the rest of the pictures of him on it are even sillier looking, with him mugging for the camera even more shamelessly -- I just used this one because I could get some of the fake party's fake platform in the screenshot too. | 2013-09-26T20:46:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/26/meet-the-patriarchy-party-the-latest-bid-for-media-attention-from-mens-rights-edmonton/comment-page-1/#comment-355913 |
I'm alot ashamed that I forgot to mention the alot. | 2013-09-25T12:18:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/25/more-amazing-misogynartistry-from-deviantart/comment-page-1/#comment-355128 |
Already done, mr. tacos: http://manboobz.com/2012/12/10/the-mens-rights-movement-much-less-popular-than-horse-porn/ |
2013-09-25T02:12:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/23/man-boobz-least-satisfied-customers-a-terrible-search-term-extravaganza/comment-page-3/#comment-355006 |
lionicle, no, there's no indication that the article was satire. Just a terrible article Jezebel should never have published, and one of the reasons I don't link to Jezebel in the sidebar. | 2013-09-25T01:20:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/24/pregnancy-is-no-excuse-for-misandry-and-other-pithy-baffling-slogans-from-the-mens-rights-propaganda-squad/comment-page-7/#comment-354991 |
I had no idea deviantART was such a hotbed of MRAssery. I'm doing a post on it. | 2013-09-24T07:49:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/22/feminism-is-like-anti-obedience-school-for-dogs-explains-mens-rights-redditor/comment-page-3/#comment-354471 |
LBT, I think all the sporty pantaloon gals holding balls are all basketball players. jennydevildoll, alas, there are a LOT of dudes searching for info on how to have sex/pay for sex with "homeless girls." |
2013-09-23T19:20:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/23/man-boobz-least-satisfied-customers-a-terrible-search-term-extravaganza/comment-page-2/#comment-354258 |
leftwingfox, the spam filter grabbed it, I just let it through. | 2013-09-22T08:10:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/20/welcome-to-the-manchine/comment-page-3/#comment-353761 |
Alex, are you really this obtuse or just pretending? Elam was complaining that they weren't terrified. That's the point of digging up their personal info and putting it online: to terrify/intimidate them. | 2013-09-22T07:10:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/18/for-a-voice-for-men-and-its-edmonton-offshoot-terrifying-women-is-a-form-of-human-rights-activism/comment-page-13/#comment-353757 |
Ooh! Dramatic reading! Thanks, Quietuus! | 2013-09-21T23:03:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/21/christopher-in-oregon-deconstructs-the-female-and-her-allegedly-very-stinky-you-know-what/comment-page-2/#comment-353645 |
I'm banning Jason and themaskandrose for obvious reasons. (Dudes: if it's not obvious to you, email me. It's not about the posters.You are deeply shitty human beings.) I should have banned both of them earlier. I apologize. |
2013-09-21T03:53:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/18/for-a-voice-for-men-and-its-edmonton-offshoot-terrifying-women-is-a-form-of-human-rights-activism/comment-page-12/#comment-353395 |
themaskandrose, all of the photos I've seen of these posters show them posted illegally on telephone poles. Tearing down posters posted illegally on poles is not actually vandalism. | 2013-09-21T02:33:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/18/for-a-voice-for-men-and-its-edmonton-offshoot-terrifying-women-is-a-form-of-human-rights-activism/comment-page-11/#comment-353364 |
themaskandrose, I will give you this: I misstated the "argument" of the original "don't be that girl" posters, and have corrected that. The rest of what you say is of course complete bullshit.
Elam says: these women aren't terrified. The implicit point: of him saying that is we need to terrify them.
He's made clear many times that he wants to intimidate feminists into shutting up. Do you need citations?
See here for example:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/the-fembots-are-already-bent-out-of-shape/
Your only real hope is to keep your mouth shut and pretend AVfM and register-her.com does not exist for as long as you can.Here I write about him targeting a woman in an attempt to "stop her" through intimidation. http://manboobz.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/ Can you really not see Elam for what he is? Or are you as dishonest about his intentions as he is? |
2013-09-21T02:25:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/18/for-a-voice-for-men-and-its-edmonton-offshoot-terrifying-women-is-a-form-of-human-rights-activism/comment-page-11/#comment-353359 |
themaskandrose, I am responding to the "argument" being made ON THE POSTER ITSELF. If you say that "rape isn't gendered" that means that the perps and victims of rape are equally male and female. Which is something that AVFM argues all the time. Yes, that is different than what was argued on the "Don't Be That Girl" posters. So, yes, AVFM/MR-E is attacking a woman who disagreed with them on the "Don't Be That Girl" poster on a different issue. Which sort of suggests that the issue is less important to AVFM/MR-E than the opportunity to attack a feminist woman. | 2013-09-21T00:38:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/18/for-a-voice-for-men-and-its-edmonton-offshoot-terrifying-women-is-a-form-of-human-rights-activism/comment-page-11/#comment-353304 |
Jason makes me want to take up religious belief of some sort. I think I might go with something a bit "indie." Marduk seems cool. | 2013-09-20T16:56:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/18/for-a-voice-for-men-and-its-edmonton-offshoot-terrifying-women-is-a-form-of-human-rights-activism/comment-page-8/#comment-352991 |
Kitties! Autocorrects! Shark gif! Weird cartoon of "me" in a baseball cap! | 2013-09-20T15:52:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/20/welcome-to-the-manchine/comment-page-1/#comment-352839 |
Cassandra, the Hurricane Sandy fashion critic was The Thinking Housewife, I believe. I should go see what she's been up to lately. | 2013-09-19T17:29:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/19/hard-candy-what-makes-old-ladies-so-crabby-according-to-crabby-antifeminist-sunshine-mary-hint-its-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-352414 |
Not only are they harassing hte prof, but they filmed some women tearing down the posters, put up a video denoucing them as "fascists," have posted their pictures on AVFM and are actively trying to doxx them. I'm not sure what the appropriate thing to do is about this. This is obviously just going to be their standard procedure forever. |
2013-09-17T23:40:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/14/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-september-edition/comment-page-4/#comment-351973 |
carnation, I don't know. It was supposed to run last friday, but got postponed. At this point the word is that it will run sometime in the next few weeks. | 2013-09-16T03:35:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/28/2012-year-of-triumphs-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-5/#comment-351228 |
Andrew, ah, that explains why the supposedly progressive dudes in the comic included a brony and a fedora-wearing redditor. | 2013-09-15T17:46:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/15/mens-rights-kontroversial-komik-kavalkade/comment-page-1/#comment-351044 |
Ally, so glad you got through all this ok, so sorry you had to deal with all of it in the first place! I hope you can a have a few days to decompress. | 2013-09-14T21:43:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-part-deux/comment-page-9/#comment-350895 |
Hey sarahlizhousespouse, see here: http://manboobz.com/2012/08/16/girlwriteswhat-on-the-necessity-of-domestic-violence-i-dont-really-find-too-much-thats-seriously-ethically-questionable/ and here: http://manboobz.com/2012/08/15/ferdinand-bardamu-women-should-be-terrorized-by-their-men-its-the-only-thing-that-makes-them-behave-better-than-chimps/ Bardamu/Forney's post is gone from the internet, but it's in his book. |
2013-09-14T21:39:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/14/how-to-get-rave-reviews-for-terrible-books-the-matt-forney-way/comment-page-1/#comment-350894 |
What Malte said. On the Neaderthal issue, there are actually a bunch of manosphere or manosphere-adjacent guys who think that there are a lot of people out there with significant neanderthal dna in them, and that they're basically superior to everyone else. I ran across them a while ago; I should probably look them up again at some point and maybe write about them. |
2013-09-13T18:24:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/13/roosh-pal-attack-on-pax-dickinson-is-like-a-gang-of-angry-deformed-and-diseased-street-cripples-overcoming-a-confident-and-successful-alpha-male/comment-page-1/#comment-350603 |
Bob Goblin, it's a term that basically indicates that whoever is using it is a neo-Nazi or at least hangs out amongst neo-Nazis, since they're really the only ones who use it. As far as I can tell, it's sort of a catch-all term for feminists, liberals, etc etc, whom the they think are all secretly Marxists inspired by the Frankfurt school trying to take over the culture. | 2013-09-13T18:18:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/13/roosh-pal-attack-on-pax-dickinson-is-like-a-gang-of-angry-deformed-and-diseased-street-cripples-overcoming-a-confident-and-successful-alpha-male/comment-page-1/#comment-350599 |
Hang in there, Ally! Hugs! | 2013-09-13T15:31:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-part-deux/comment-page-9/#comment-350552 |
Ally, yow, so glad you're safe and that you got the pets out safe! Hope you're hanging in there ok. Please keep us posted! | 2013-09-13T00:20:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-part-deux/comment-page-9/#comment-350488 |
To be honest, I thought the funniest part of the quote was the "not related to you" part, suggesting that there were lots of dudes wandering around doing favors for their sisters and cousins while secretly lusting for them in their hearts ... and that by the weird logic of the quote somehow this is preferable to being an "orbiter." Also, come on, the picture of the dogs is hilarious, |
2013-09-12T23:59:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/10/red-pill-redditor-if-you-are-sexually-attracted-to-a-btch-not-related-to-you-that-you-are-doing-favors-for-and-not-fing-you-are-her-orbiter/comment-page-2/#comment-350484 |
followed!!! | 2013-09-11T15:16:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/11/embittered-pickup-artist-douchebags-rally-around-embattled-twitter-douchebag-pax-dickinson/comment-page-1/#comment-350046 |
Uh, Brz, did you actually read what the guy wrote? For example, this: https://twitter.com/paxdickinson/statuses/18546571881 See here for more examples: http://valleywag.gawker.com/business-insider-ctos-is-your-new-tech-bro-nightmare-1280336916 This is someone who was involved in the hiring process at Business Insider. Given that others at Business Insider knew he had these sorts of opinions -- one writer mentioned that he'd blocked him on twitter -- they've probably set themselves up for lawsuits by not firing him sooner. |
2013-09-10T21:57:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/10/pickup-artist-guru-roosh-v-domestic-violence-laws-are-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-349856 |
REligion is child abuse, but apparently child abuse isn't child abuse. | 2013-09-10T18:50:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/10/pickup-artist-guru-roosh-v-domestic-violence-laws-are-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-349805 |
Well, I guess I won't write about Flemming after all. I thought he had used a quote on his web site in a dishonest way but when I emailed him about it it appeared he had done so addientally, and he removed the quote. I'm used to people digging in their heels, so I was actually a little shocked. | 2013-09-10T18:43:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/10/pickup-artist-guru-roosh-v-domestic-violence-laws-are-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-349803 |
Speaking of atheists saying questionable things, does anyone have any opinions about Brian Flemming and his documentary The God Who Wasn't There? I've just run across something very ethically questionable from him that I'm planning to blog about. (It actually has nothing to do with misogyny, I just thought it was striking enough that I thought it worth mentioning.) | 2013-09-10T16:09:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/10/pickup-artist-guru-roosh-v-domestic-violence-laws-are-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-349770 |
Oy. "Mild pedophilia" ?!! | 2013-09-10T15:19:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/10/pickup-artist-guru-roosh-v-domestic-violence-laws-are-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-349757 |
Arctic Ape, Roosh doesn't consider himself an MRA but he is very much aware of MRAs. The MRAs and PUAs I write about have similar, in many areas almost identical, ideas about women and feminism. | 2013-09-10T13:13:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/10/pickup-artist-guru-roosh-v-domestic-violence-laws-are-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-1/#comment-349708 |
grumpycat, I have been puzzling over the worms too. If this were Heartiste writing the story, the worms would be either Muslims or blacks. But with Roosh I don't know. | 2013-09-10T11:06:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/10/pickup-artist-guru-roosh-v-domestic-violence-laws-are-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-1/#comment-349661 |
Good, I'm not sure why I added the "get her drunk." I am not as up on Canada's age of consent laws as you are, and apparently neither are the people who came up with the chants. Either that or they are talking about having sex with girls younger than 14. The chant on the video is definitely about having sex with an underage girl. There's no getting around that. The chant at the other school reportedly included the words "no consent" as well. |
2013-09-10T10:40:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/09/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-blames-rape-chants-at-canadian-schools-on-feminism/comment-page-3/#comment-349648 |
Amanda, yeah, this shit is often too awful to be funny. I'm actively looking for lighter stuff for later in the week. | 2013-09-10T09:41:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/10/pickup-artist-guru-roosh-v-domestic-violence-laws-are-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-1/#comment-349628 |
Good, you didn't hear them say "O for "oh so tight."? If that's not an explicit reference to sex -- and specifically with someone sexually inexperienced and probably young -- I don't know what is. Also, we're talking about two schools. The chant at the other school is the one that reportedly used the words "go to jail." I agree that the chant in the video sounds more like "no regret" or "no respect" but it's clearly about statutory rape. The underage girl referred to may not refer to a student. The "y is for your sister" part of the chant suggests that the idea is that they're inviting someone's underage sister to a party, getting her drunk and raping her. Which is something that does actually happen on campuses. I lived in a college town. Lots of underage kids who aren't students go to parties on campus. |
2013-09-10T09:04:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/09/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-blames-rape-chants-at-canadian-schools-on-feminism/comment-page-3/#comment-349620 |
Good, they might be. They might also be saying "no respect." It's hard to tell. | 2013-09-09T16:52:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/09/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-blames-rape-chants-at-canadian-schools-on-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-349329 |
I have two copies of that book. I had one, but was frustrated that the spine was broken. Then I ran across another copy and bought it. As soon as I tried to read it, its spine broke too. So far I've only read the part of the book about Lovecraft and the "weirdies." Thus ends David's Duplicate Book Minute. |
2013-09-08T17:16:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/08/mens-rights-redditor-on-gaming-it-would-be-nice-if-womenfeminists-fucked-off-and-created-their-own-thing-rather-than-moving-into-a-mens-space/comment-page-1/#comment-348922 |
S Trawnik, can you explain exactly how my post is anti-male rather than anti-misogynist? | 2013-09-08T16:16:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/08/mens-rights-redditor-on-gaming-it-would-be-nice-if-womenfeminists-fucked-off-and-created-their-own-thing-rather-than-moving-into-a-mens-space/comment-page-1/#comment-348913 |
sarumangry, I thank you! And rather than have your amazing work get buried in the comments here I made a new post about it. |
2013-09-06T09:57:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/04/pickup-artist-my-seed-is-liquid-gold-and-i-dont-give-it-out-like-its-god-damn-tap-water/comment-page-4/#comment-348522 |
I am way behind on the comments here but I've fixed the misspelling of Mr. Freeman's name. | 2013-09-05T15:43:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/04/pickup-artist-my-seed-is-liquid-gold-and-i-dont-give-it-out-like-its-god-damn-tap-water/comment-page-3/#comment-348334 |
Raka -- there's a link to the original ALOT in the first graf! | 2013-09-04T22:39:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/04/pickup-artist-my-seed-is-liquid-gold-and-i-dont-give-it-out-like-its-god-damn-tap-water/comment-page-2/#comment-348158 |
"N Count" = the number of men a woman has had sex with | 2013-09-04T20:13:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/04/pickup-artist-my-seed-is-liquid-gold-and-i-dont-give-it-out-like-its-god-damn-tap-water/comment-page-1/#comment-348063 |
Speaking of underhanded tactics, John Hembling (who used to scream bloody murder any time anyone used his real name) is doxxing again, spreading the personal info of FemiTheist Divine in hopes that it will make it hard for her to find a job. Now, she did say some reprehensible shit, but I'm pretty sure she was trolling and, really? It just seems weird that AVFM still loves doxxing so much when some of its principals still insist on anonymity or have other sort of secrets that they don't want to get out. Especially since some of the things they think are secret aren't actually as secret as they think, if you catch my drift. |
2013-09-03T22:08:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/02/fidelbogen-sez-we-neednt-treat-feminists-fairly-or-ethically-underhanded-tricks-r-the-order-of-the-day/comment-page-2/#comment-347818 |
Cloudiah, the pic showed up when I did a search for "sexy hamster" so I'm saying it's a hamster costume. It looks a little bit hamstery. He's just not built much like a hamster. | 2013-09-01T21:51:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/01/red-piller-evil-sluts-not-only-want-to-have-sex-but-actually-want-people-not-to-hate-them-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-347004 |
Hyena, the "hamstering" thing is a reference to the manosphere trope of the "rationalization hamster" which they say lives in every woman's head and runs wildly on its little wheel to come up with rationalizations for everything. Needless to say: Hamster. Kettle. Furry. |
2013-09-01T21:50:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/01/red-piller-evil-sluts-not-only-want-to-have-sex-but-actually-want-people-not-to-hate-them-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-347001 |
Cloudiah, thanks for the fidelbogen pointers! I looked through his recent posting history and saw him responding to a comment from "manzboobz," my MRA imposter, as if he were me. Good times. | 2013-08-31T23:34:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/30/a-voice-for-men-falsely-accuses-a-male-feminist-blogger-of-being-a-confessed-rapist-because-karma-is-a-bitch/comment-page-5/#comment-346701 |
I obviously don't know if the accusations are true or not. I hope that's clear in the OP. AVFM is lyiing by describing him as a "confessed rapist," when he hasn't confessed to anything. That's the false accusation here. | 2013-08-31T18:41:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/30/a-voice-for-men-falsely-accuses-a-male-feminist-blogger-of-being-a-confessed-rapist-because-karma-is-a-bitch/comment-page-3/#comment-346529 |
Eumie, you can donate that $10,000 directly through my paypal. And I will cancel all MB fundraisers for the next year. Thanks for your support! | 2013-08-31T01:50:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/30/a-voice-for-men-falsely-accuses-a-male-feminist-blogger-of-being-a-confessed-rapist-because-karma-is-a-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-346341 |
Katz, so sorry about Robbie. Ally, feel free to vent here all you want. |
2013-08-30T18:40:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-part-deux/comment-page-7/#comment-346205 |
Blinded by Science is a returning troll with a history of bad-faith, deliberately disruptive posting, so bye bye. | 2013-08-30T16:34:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/30/a-voice-for-men-falsely-accuses-a-male-feminist-blogger-of-being-a-confessed-rapist-because-karma-is-a-bitch/comment-page-1/#comment-346161 |
Actually, through Paint.net, which has a good ink sketch filter. He was actually creepier before I ran it through that filter. This is just a little artier. | 2013-08-30T15:50:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/30/a-voice-for-men-falsely-accuses-a-male-feminist-blogger-of-being-a-confessed-rapist-because-karma-is-a-bitch/comment-page-1/#comment-346116 |
Andy, Elam has a long history of calling things he's written "satire" when they clearly aren't satire. He's also written two bait-and-switch articles (including the one you link to) that might possibly be considered satire. There's really no reason to assume that ABC asked him about that article. Or to assume that people here at man boobz don't read the entire article. I've actually corrected people on twitter who misread the article you link to. |
2013-08-30T01:11:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/28/2012-year-of-triumphs-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-5/#comment-345944 |
Slightly off-topic, but I'm looking for some examples of appalling MRA/manosphere graphics/posters/memes, etc. Not so much bad design -- that's kind of a given -- but horrible messages. If any of you can find some of your favorites and post links here, that would be grrrrreat! | 2013-08-29T18:07:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/29/fidelbogen-mens-rights-activists-forget-about-dv-shelters-for-men-focus-on-the-important-issue-yelling-at-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-345818 |
Ckoudiah, I will have to save the details for the next meeting of the Gynocralluminati. | 2013-08-29T17:04:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/29/fidelbogen-mens-rights-activists-forget-about-dv-shelters-for-men-focus-on-the-important-issue-yelling-at-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-345804 |
Oh, don't worry, they've seen this blog. | 2013-08-29T16:03:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/29/fidelbogen-mens-rights-activists-forget-about-dv-shelters-for-men-focus-on-the-important-issue-yelling-at-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-345783 |
I only really skimmed the last batch of Tommy comments before letting them through and missed the rapey bit. I think, given that, and given his long history of assiness, that he's earned himself banishment from this thread as well as from all others. |
2013-08-29T06:48:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-16/#comment-345690 |
Why do they always draw me wearing a baseball cap? I haven't worn a baseball cap since I was maybe 12, and even then infrequently. Ok, sometimes at the beach. |
2013-08-28T17:12:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/28/the-cartoon-artistry-of-victor-zen-mens-human-rights-activist-human/comment-page-1/#comment-345406 |
Tracy, yikes! Glad nothing happened to you! In other news related to the OP, evidently Roosh's fans have started harassing Mary, with the support of Roosh. (see the final page of the thread on his site to see Roosh mocking her for demanding the he take down her personal info.) I'd like to reach out to offer her some sort of support, not sure the best way to do that, and I actually need to get to sleep at the moment, If any of you want to contact her on facebook and offer support that would be great. Her facebook info is already up in the Roosh forum thread, I don't want to spread it more by posting it here. |
2013-08-28T09:14:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/23/roosh-v-forum-members-baffled-that-fat-woman-doesnt-welcome-sexual-harassment/comment-page-13/#comment-345258 |
ikonografer is thewoolybumblebee's husband, FWIW. The two of them are right about how awful AVFM is, but are evidently still wrong about everything else. |
2013-08-27T03:13:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/26/rachel-swirsky-climbs-inside-the-mind-of-a-violent-misogynst/comment-page-1/#comment-344772 |
Oh, boy. Raul, I think Cloudiah put it well:
Anyone who tries to start the discussion in a troll-heavy environment, without establishing good faith, and then engages in condescending snark, insults (“herd animals” supposed to be a compliment?), passi[ve] aggression, etc., while admitting they change identity at will — not someone I will ever engage with constructively.You came into a discussion about rape and declared most of the people in the discussion, some of whom have themselves been raped, to be not only wrong on the issue of prevention but also driven by "pure emotionalism, which is a silly way to approach any serious problem." Oh, and you referred to the strong feelings that rape elicits in many people in a dismissive manner, as "big feelings." http://manboobz.com/2013/08/23/roosh-v-forum-members-baffled-that-fat-woman-doesnt-welcome-sexual-harassment/comment-page-6/#comment-344367 That doesn't sound so much like someone hoping to have a discussion. It sounds like someone hoping to start a fight. And then, when people responded with anger and/or irritation to your dismissve and patronizing remarks, you complained that you were being bullied? I'm sorry. You don't come into a thread about rape, insult everyone here, then continue with the condescending remarks even after you've been called out for them again and again, and then declare that everyone here is a meanie. If you show up at a party and announce that everyone there is an idiot, why would you expect the partygoers to treat you civilly? I'm putting you on moderation for now; this thread is off-limits for you altogether. |
2013-08-27T02:49:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/23/roosh-v-forum-members-baffled-that-fat-woman-doesnt-welcome-sexual-harassment/comment-page-11/#comment-344770 |
xna232stang, if you think you wouldn't ever find anything like this on an MRA site, consider the e-book "the comfort girls of conshelf 6," a antifeminist rape-porn fantasy written by a regular at MGTOWforums.com and posted on Artistry Against Misandry, a (now-defunct) site set up by an AVFM regular and one that was regularly promoted on AVFM. You can find some excerpts here: http://manboobz.forummotion.com/t990-new-from-artistry-against-misandry-their-worst-yet?highlight=artistry I can email a copy of the first half of the ebook if you need to read more of it. |
2013-08-27T00:57:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/26/rachel-swirsky-climbs-inside-the-mind-of-a-violent-misogynst/comment-page-1/#comment-344749 |
atdevel has taken his crusade to reddit, again: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1kz37p/holy_fuck_david_futrelle_thinks_its_okay_for_a/ | 2013-08-23T21:29:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/23/roosh-v-forum-members-baffled-that-fat-woman-doesnt-welcome-sexual-harassment/comment-page-1/#comment-343605 |
Asher, since you apparently have no reading comprehension at all, it's pointless to discuss anything further with you. | 2013-08-23T05:10:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/20/should-gaming-be-a-safe-space-for-nerdy-dudes-who-hate-women-the-mens-rights-perspective/comment-page-15/#comment-343298 |
Ah, atdevel is full of shit, and will now be banned. Checking his IP I realize that he tried to post numerous obnoxious trolling comments here under the name "I H Blacks." Fuck off, asshole. | 2013-08-22T21:29:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/20/should-gaming-be-a-safe-space-for-nerdy-dudes-who-hate-women-the-mens-rights-perspective/comment-page-14/#comment-343173 |
Asher, you're posting too damn much, and what you're posting is tedious. I'm putting you on moderation. Also, my point about the Klan was not about violence but about rhetoric, and it was that the Klan's rhetoric, when you look at the group's history, has always been about PROTECTION, protecting allegedly beleguered whites (esp. white women) from evil ... freed slaves/blacks, Catholics. Jews, etc. It's been about casting white people -- a relatively privileged group in society -- as victims. While angry male gamers haven't gone around physically harming female geeks, they've certainly harassed them plenty and engaged in violent rhetoric and threats towards them. |
2013-08-22T16:39:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/20/should-gaming-be-a-safe-space-for-nerdy-dudes-who-hate-women-the-mens-rights-perspective/comment-page-14/#comment-343114 |
Why aren’t you approving my post? Jealous of my logic?Really? I don't approve your comment within 12 minutes and you assume I've been defeated by your powerful man logic? I was doing other things. Entitled much? |
2013-08-21T21:07:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/20/should-gaming-be-a-safe-space-for-nerdy-dudes-who-hate-women-the-mens-rights-perspective/comment-page-2/#comment-342250 |
Quick OT question here: Does anyone here have a link to the research MRAs are always citing that they claim shows women raping men in large numbers through "engulfment." Also interested in rebuttals of that; I know there have been some of those. | 2013-08-21T19:42:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/21/women-are-lying-when-they-say-they-want-more-dicks-on-tv-mens-rights-redditors-explain/comment-page-3/#comment-342237 |
I don't hold his baldness against him. I mean, who the fuck cares? Most men end up bald or balding eventually. But he's a hateful shithead, and mentioning his baldness sends him into a frothing rage, so, you know, there's that. |
2013-08-21T09:38:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-13/#comment-341981 |
In light of Tom's latest comment, I would encourage readers here to make fun of his baldness as much as possible. | 2013-08-21T08:47:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-13/#comment-341966 |
I added a sentence to temper and clarify my comment on men "dominating" gaming. The figure I found for the percentage of women in gaming is 47%. Though the angry gamer dudes always claim that whatever games these women are playing somehow don't count as real games. | 2013-08-20T22:48:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/20/should-gaming-be-a-safe-space-for-nerdy-dudes-who-hate-women-the-mens-rights-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-341881 |
Tom, I don't tell off MRAs for calling me fat, so why should I tell off Hellkell for calling you bald? | 2013-08-20T22:35:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-13/#comment-341874 |
That's the longest "text" I've ever seen. | 2013-08-18T20:43:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/18/the-most-alpha-male-book-cover-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-341467 |
So sorry, Viscaria. That's rough, even when you're expecting it. | 2013-08-16T17:31:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-part-deux/comment-page-6/#comment-341079 |
Yeah, I looked at GWW's comments and found this video from healthyaddict detailing her assault: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK3g86Hp93I |
2013-08-13T01:00:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/12/mra-paul-elam-this-world-deserves-a-jerk-on-the-collar-and-a-slap-across-the-face-and-the-flying-spittle-of-rage/comment-page-1/#comment-340171 |
joyintorah18, does she have a video attacking the atheist woman? The most recent video on her channel seems to be a month old and on a different topic. | 2013-08-13T00:52:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/12/mra-paul-elam-this-world-deserves-a-jerk-on-the-collar-and-a-slap-across-the-face-and-the-flying-spittle-of-rage/comment-page-1/#comment-340166 |
Everyone should scroll up to see the TRANSCRIPT by de-lurked lurker Thal! Thanks, Thal, and welcome! | 2013-08-10T16:54:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/09/no-youre-the-anti-woman-slur-a-manosphere-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-339623 |
La Strega, I just fished one of your comments out of the spam filter. The Manhood *cademy guys are actually notorious spammers, so the spam filter probably grabbed it b/c you linked to them. | 2013-08-10T02:11:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/09/no-youre-the-anti-woman-slur-a-manosphere-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-339575 |
I'm in a banny mood, so I banned mr. cobra and deleted his final comment to boot. | 2013-08-09T23:41:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/08/pickup-guru-and-raving-racist-heartiste-warns-his-followers-of-the-impending-whitepocalypse/comment-page-6/#comment-339547 |
If you need a distraction from Hugo, I have a new post up that is a bit on the lighter side. | 2013-08-09T17:18:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/08/pickup-guru-and-raving-racist-heartiste-warns-his-followers-of-the-impending-whitepocalypse/comment-page-4/#comment-339356 |
Off topic, but Hugo Schwyzer has returned to Twitter, obviously in the midst of a manic episode (which he admits), saying that he's a fraud and that his critics are right: https://twitter.com/HugoSchwyzer |
2013-08-09T16:01:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/08/pickup-guru-and-raving-racist-heartiste-warns-his-followers-of-the-impending-whitepocalypse/comment-page-4/#comment-339311 |
AVFM practices a misogynist brand of homophobia, in that it tolerates gay men to some extent -- esp. if these gay men hate "gay culture" which Elam also hates -- but is pretty much straight-up and explicitly bigoted against lesbians. (See my posts linked above for examples.) Bisexual women are ok to AVFMers, though, because that's hot, as long as the women in question aren't too butch. | 2013-08-08T21:12:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/08/pickup-guru-and-raving-racist-heartiste-warns-his-followers-of-the-impending-whitepocalypse/comment-page-2/#comment-339087 |
Yeah, AVFM is totes not homophobic: http://manboobz.com/2012/12/19/homophobic-asshole-throws-other-homophobic-asshole-out-of-mens-rights-movement-for-homophobic-assholery/ http://manboobz.com/2012/05/28/a-voice-for-men-say-no-to-homophobia-and-then-watch-this-hilarious-video-bashing-lesbians/ |
2013-08-08T21:03:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/08/pickup-guru-and-raving-racist-heartiste-warns-his-followers-of-the-impending-whitepocalypse/comment-page-2/#comment-339082 |
Sorry about Sal. Is is wrong that I posted in the Reddit thread with my own true story? http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1js35q/she_still_doesnt_know/cbhyz65 |
2013-08-06T05:45:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/05/mens-rights-redditors-wonder-why-nobody-else-realizes-that-the-ladies-arent-oppressed-any-more/comment-page-3/#comment-337801 |
I stand corrected on the flying squirrel picture! But really, it's hard to keep track of all the different perils faced by men that come in the form of attacks by tiny animals. |
2013-08-05T21:12:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/05/mens-rights-redditors-wonder-why-nobody-else-realizes-that-the-ladies-arent-oppressed-any-more/comment-page-2/#comment-337707 |
Oh, but the female slaves had it easy. (This is actually an MRA argument I've heard made.) | 2013-08-05T11:12:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/05/mens-rights-redditors-wonder-why-nobody-else-realizes-that-the-ladies-arent-oppressed-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-337496 |
Marie, I don't think I've used that one before, but I've definitely posted very similar covers from other old men's magazines, with men attacked by turtles and weasels, etc. | 2013-08-05T10:55:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/05/mens-rights-redditors-wonder-why-nobody-else-realizes-that-the-ladies-arent-oppressed-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-337485 |
Shaenon, congrats! Also, the comments there are hilariously terrible. The MRAs have completely derailed everything, are going on about how only men take dangerous jobs, etc, and our old pal Uncle Elmer makes an appearance. |
2013-08-05T00:07:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/04/pickup-guru-roosh-and-his-buddies-think-women-drowning-is-just-hilarious/comment-page-1/#comment-337329 |
Sorry, Contra's a returning troll, now banned. | 2013-08-02T17:46:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/01/mark-minters-matrimonial-meltdown-part-two-the-aftermath/comment-page-3/#comment-336709 |
Since the Ariel Castro stuff is so potentially triggering, I thought it would be best to have a separate thread for it, so I just opened one up for that: http://manboobz.com/2013/08/01/open-thread-for-discussion-of-ariel-castro-statement-sentencing-trigger-warning-for-whole-thread/ |
2013-08-01T15:07:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/01/mark-minters-matrimonial-meltdown-part-two-the-aftermath/comment-page-2/#comment-336123 |
I added a trigger warning to that Ariel Castro statement in Chie's comment. I watched it earlier. Just appalling. And I'm sure his lawyers made him tone down what he really wanted to say, which I'm sure would have been even more appallingly self-pitying and narcissistic and victim-blaming. |
2013-08-01T14:33:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/08/01/mark-minters-matrimonial-meltdown-part-two-the-aftermath/comment-page-1/#comment-336100 |
Lots of very generous people donating today! Thanks again! And on the music thing: eMusic was pretty good in its early years, I thought. You did get unlimited downloads, but their selection was limited. Which was fine with me -- they had enough stuff I liked to make it worth it. Then they changed to limited downloads, but priced them cheap enough so that it was worth it. Now, not so much. |
2013-08-01T01:11:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/30/man-boobz-pledge-drive-begging-cat-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-335914 |
Ok, so I've just caught up on this thread. First: gillyrosebee, so sorry that happened to you. That's awful. Second: Quark, I don't think you're a troll, and I understand why you might have felt people were being rude to you, and you had every right to say that you thought people were being rude to you. But someone disagreeing with you -- even a bunch of someones disagreeing with you -- on a comment thread is not harassment. It is disagreement. Even if they're a bit jerky about it. Even if they tell you to "fuck off." I didn't get a chance to read through this whole thread until after you had left for the evening, but had I gotten here sooner, I probably would have put you on temporary moderation. Why? Because you turned this thread into the Quark Show, making everything about you, you, you, and continuing to derail the discussion even after everyone else had moved on. You had made your point. You didn't have to keep making it, even if you thought you were trying to show you "wouldn't be bullied." I really think you need to step back and get some perspective on all this. I suggest you go back and reread gillyrosebee's comments in this thread, which I hope will help in this regard. You are welcome to keep posting on this blog, but I seriously suggest you give this thread a rest until you're able to clear your head a bit. |
2013-07-31T22:04:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/31/jane-austen-and-the-rape-threatening-men/comment-page-10/#comment-335847 |
Also, yay for kitten adoption! | 2013-07-31T11:24:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/30/man-boobz-pledge-drive-begging-cat-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-335164 |
Kate, I just emailed you an address you can send a money order to. Thanks! | 2013-07-31T11:23:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/30/man-boobz-pledge-drive-begging-cat-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-335163 |
Thanks again to everyone! Cloudiah, r/mr is really outdoing itself with its gullibility these days. I think they've had fake screenshots on the front page practically every day for a while now, sometimes more than one. |
2013-07-31T09:47:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/30/man-boobz-pledge-drive-begging-cat-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-335147 |
Thanks, everyone! And yes, every little bit helps. | 2013-07-30T15:22:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/30/man-boobz-pledge-drive-begging-cat-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-334977 |
Actually, I have three balls. | 2013-07-30T15:20:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/04/ann-barnhardt-contemporary-anti-suffragette-as-soon-as-the-19th-amendment-was-passed-men-were-effectively-castrated-and-in-many-many-cases-disenfranchised-by-their-wives/comment-page-4/#comment-334974 |
Thanks! Anyone else having troubles with WP? |
2013-07-30T12:10:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/30/man-boobz-pledge-drive-begging-cat-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-334935 |
Well, I don't know about misandrist, but I use these for all my financial transactions these days: http://www.tj6enterprises.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Siamese_Cat_Final.jpg |
2013-07-30T11:43:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/30/man-boobz-pledge-drive-begging-cat-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-334928 |
Cloudiah, rarely has Yakety Sax been used more effectively than in that mashup. Actually, I think my post might go better with Yakety Sax too. |
2013-07-29T12:30:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/29/is-mark-minter-misogynistic-marriage-mocker-really-getting-married/comment-page-1/#comment-334637 |
I don't want to derail the wallet discussion, but my post about you-know-who is up. | 2013-07-29T10:39:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/28/an-all-goat-interpretation-of-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-334594 |
New Minter post is up! | 2013-07-29T10:35:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/23/mark-minter-takes-on-marriage-mangina-manservants-and-americas-matriarchal-infrastructure/comment-page-15/#comment-334593 |
Nova and Argentti, sorry you're having to deal with all this shit. If anyone here wants to get in touch with someone else here, I can email your email address to that person; just drop me a note. (I generally won't do this unless that person has expressed an interest in hearing from other people here though.) |
2013-07-29T00:25:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/25/pickup-artist-women-are-crazy-so-its-in-your-best-interest-to-treat-them-badly/comment-page-6/#comment-334485 |
So sorry to hear about Robbie, Katz; I know you'll give him good care. | 2013-07-28T23:32:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/26/mens-rights-redditors-fooled-again-by-screenshot-bearing-troll-paternity-fraud-edition/comment-page-3/#comment-334480 |
I wonder if anyone could come up with a good evo psych explanation of the wallet thing. Did the most skilled mammoth hunters have weird rectagular bumps on their asses? | 2013-07-28T22:33:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/28/an-all-goat-interpretation-of-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-334447 |
You-know-who is Mark Minter. | 2013-07-28T22:30:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/28/an-all-goat-interpretation-of-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-334446 |
Oh, I do have a hypocrisy tag. I just went with "irony alert" this time. Also: NOTE TO MRA TROLL WHO KEEPS TRYING TO COMMENT HERE: If the fake email you're using for your comments contains the word "cunty," I won't be letting your comments through. Hope this helps! |
2013-07-27T14:21:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/27/mens-rights-redditors-outraged-by-poster-suggesting-that-men-teach-boys-about-gender-equality-and-healthy-equal-relationships/comment-page-1/#comment-333976 |
Moar hugs for Cloudiah! http://media-cache-ec3.pinimg.com/736x/dd/35/9e/dd359e1aeb62c990cd0ba910ae85d185.jpg http://media-cache-ak1.pinimg.com/236x/2a/37/10/2a3710642cf8324766a0e1c36638decb.jpg This last one is a little awkward: http://media-cache-ec3.pinimg.com/736x/79/dd/c2/79ddc2a8d770611c9c52d55dbedcd844.jpg |
2013-07-27T04:39:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/25/pickup-artist-women-are-crazy-so-its-in-your-best-interest-to-treat-them-badly/comment-page-5/#comment-333908 |
OMG, this Minter news is amazing. His ex-wife posted a comment about it in another thread here, suggesting that for Minty a marriage would be
Physically impossible – Mark lives in his sister’s spare bedroom and has not worked in 5 years. I hope it is true – if some crazy person is willing to marry him the IRS will take him down. I cant get child support but he owes the IRS tens of thousands in back taxes and interest.http://manboobz.com/2013/04/23/mark-minter-takes-on-marriage-mangina-manservants-and-americas-matriarchal-infrastructure/comment-page-14/#comment-333592 The plot thickens! |
2013-07-26T22:42:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/26/mens-rights-redditors-fooled-again-by-screenshot-bearing-troll-paternity-fraud-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-333752 |
If you wade into the actual reddit discussion, you will find some incredibly obtuse debate over whether or not sperm is the equivalant of the egg or of the womb. Well, obtuse on one side of the argument anyway. | 2013-07-26T13:09:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/26/mens-rights-redditors-fooled-again-by-screenshot-bearing-troll-paternity-fraud-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-333596 |
I still think the feminismriswing blog must have been a feminist parodying MRA's bizarre and paranoid visions of what feminism is. | 2013-07-26T10:38:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/26/mens-rights-redditors-fooled-again-by-screenshot-bearing-troll-paternity-fraud-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-333568 |
grumpycat, it's another blogger, a british blogger calling himself the antifeminist. | 2013-07-24T20:05:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/24/a-douchebags-lament-pickup-artists-have-failed-to-tame-the-wild-american-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-333142 |
Yeah, that "worst of me" article is based on distortion, lying, and just making shit up. If you look at the few assertions he actually links to a source, you can see that he's completely misrepresented what I said -- eg I support legal abortion so therefore I agree with Peter Singer that child murder is ok.
Discussed whether criticisim of abortion should be criminalized as hate speech.True, I discussed it, but I argued that it SHOULD NOT BE CRIMINALIZED. Like Kyle Payne, the male feminist blogger jailed for rape and child porn offences.I'm "like" Kyle Payne only in that I am a male feminist blogger. Spent much of early career as a radical statutory rape apologist.This is just stright up libel. I wrote some articles on "satanic panic" type cases in which day care workers, etc were charged of often physically impossible sex crimes w/o physical evidence. In fact the blogger accusing me of all this is a guy who wants the age of consent lowered and this post of his is retaliation for me criticizing him on this. Claims no sexual difference between a 5 year old and a 17 year old – boy or girl.This isn't true. It's him trying to give a negative spin to the fact that I think statutory rape is in fact a real crime that deserves to be prosecuted, even if the victim is 17. |
2013-07-24T19:25:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/24/a-douchebags-lament-pickup-artists-have-failed-to-tame-the-wild-american-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-333130 |
Well, dang, dude, you're missing out on some truly primo GWW nonsense then, | 2013-07-23T23:51:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/30/girlwriteswhats-delusional-defenses-of-mgtow-misogyny-also-mary-daly-and-why-the-moon-is-not-a-potato/comment-page-6/#comment-332866 |
I agree w/ Katz, and I deleted the links to the TAA pic and video. AFAIK, this stuff got out w/o his knowledge or permission, so I don't think it's appropriate to post here, even if it is easy enough to find. And I really don't want any more discussion of this. It's none of our business, and I'll start deleting comments if the discussion continues. I'm 99.99% sure the person writing me is NOT TAA. |
2013-07-22T20:06:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/21/ive-got-mail/comment-page-2/#comment-332537 |
Sir Bodsworth, I find your argument very compelling. I may have to reconsider some things. | 2013-07-22T18:24:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/22/canada-land-of-terror-for-men-a-photoshop-contest/comment-page-3/#comment-332489 |
A belated response to the question in Sarah's comment (the first one): I was interviewed by a buzzfeed reporter, not sure when the post is supposed to run (they keep delaying it). My "welcome buzzfeeders" post went up by accident. | 2013-07-22T18:22:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/22/canada-land-of-terror-for-men-a-photoshop-contest/comment-page-3/#comment-332487 |
Cloudiah, so sorry! She sounds like an amazing person, and you were obviously an amazing friend to her. Fuck cancer. Hugs. |
2013-07-21T23:09:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-part-deux/comment-page-5/#comment-332173 |
socialkenny, stop spamming with the pua videos. | 2013-07-21T21:56:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/20/mens-rights-hate-site-a-voice-for-men-finds-a-woman-to-blame-for-trayvon-martins-death/comment-page-3/#comment-332135 |
Just noticed this bit of casual racism in the AVFM comments, from "Falcor."
I’m just going to point out, the probable reason he bought the skittles and soda was to go home and make purple drank, not to give it to some kid.(Purple drank is a narcotic concoction made with codeine cough syrup, popular with some rappers.) The commenter then links to a wikipedia article that mentions that "purple drank" is often made with sprite or moutain dew and jolly ranchers. So, wrong kind of candy. And of course Martin wasn't actually carrying soda; he was carrying Arizona brand fruit drink. So, wrong drink. But, hey, close enough when you're sliming a murdered black teenager, huh? Of course, even if he had been carrying sprite and jolly ranchers, there would have been no reason to think he was going to make "purple drank" with it. I buy sprite and jolly ranchers all the time. Because I like sprite and jolly ranchers (not at the same time). No one's ever accused me of buying some of the raw ingredients for "purple drank." But I guess when a black teenage boy buys a drink in a can and some sort of candy he must be up to no good, huh? The whole "Trayvon was going to make purple drank" theory has been all over the right-wing/racist wing of the internet. http://wonkette.com/523148/stupidest-man-on-internet-poses-stupidest-theory-kill-trayvon-ahead-of-time-so-he-couldnt-make-drugs-at-home hxxp://www.stormfront.org/forum/t895643/ Thanks, Falcor, for giving us some insight into how you think, and where you get your information. |
2013-07-21T08:01:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/20/mens-rights-hate-site-a-voice-for-men-finds-a-woman-to-blame-for-trayvon-martins-death/comment-page-2/#comment-331983 |
You are also white just like chuck Ross How come you don’t see it his way?Maybe because he's racist? I dunno, just a guess. |
2013-07-21T03:48:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/20/mens-rights-hate-site-a-voice-for-men-finds-a-woman-to-blame-for-trayvon-martins-death/comment-page-2/#comment-331959 |
I added a graf to the piece clarifying that bit about Jeantel saying she thought ZXimmerman might be a rapist. | 2013-07-21T02:30:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/20/mens-rights-hate-site-a-voice-for-men-finds-a-woman-to-blame-for-trayvon-martins-death/comment-page-2/#comment-331944 |
Danielle, yeah, she did say that she told Trayvon that she thought Zimmerman might be rapist. I'm pretty sure she said that i court. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise in the post, just that much of the rest of the AVFM post is pure speculation. | 2013-07-21T02:15:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/20/mens-rights-hate-site-a-voice-for-men-finds-a-woman-to-blame-for-trayvon-martins-death/comment-page-2/#comment-331941 |
AVFM commenter:
I never thought of this article as blaming something on a woman.Yeah, it's not like the AVFM post says of Jeantel that it was her gay-baiting that led to Martin’s death.Oh, wait, that's a direct quote from the AVFM post. |
2013-07-21T02:08:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/20/mens-rights-hate-site-a-voice-for-men-finds-a-woman-to-blame-for-trayvon-martins-death/comment-page-2/#comment-331940 |
(forney is the guy who used to do the In Mala Fide blog under a pseudonym, he writes awful stuff now under his real name) | 2013-07-18T16:34:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/18/fidelbogening-while-the-world-burns/comment-page-2/#comment-331156 |
That's funny about the review, because Forney just did a post desperately begging his blog readers to give his ebooks positive reviews. | 2013-07-18T16:33:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/18/fidelbogening-while-the-world-burns/comment-page-2/#comment-331153 |
lowquacks, great news about your kitty! | 2013-07-17T22:08:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/17/the-man-boobz-survey-results-are-in/comment-page-3/#comment-330918 |
Just adding another thank you to Argenti for this! A couple people mentioned that comparing this blog to r/r doesn't make that much sense, since that's a major hangout of the MR movement and this is just one blog; I agree, and was originally going to put something like that in the post. Attention MRAs: This blog is feminist, but it =/= feminism. On Germany: I hadn't realized there were that many English speakers there. I guess I was surprised there were more readers in Germany than New Zealand there b/c there are so many New Zealanders amongst the regular commenters here. |
2013-07-17T18:12:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/17/the-man-boobz-survey-results-are-in/comment-page-2/#comment-330837 |
The fact that all the racist stereotypes that are applied towards black men aren't exactly the same as all the racist stereotypes applied towards black women doesn't mean that black men therefore face more racism than black women. | 2013-07-17T00:40:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/16/fox-news-lends-a-hand-to-the-white-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-3/#comment-330392 |
Joe, you're not welcome in this thread. Move on. | 2013-07-16T22:06:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/open-thread-zimmerman-verdict/comment-page-5/#comment-330277 |
Joe, give it a rest. We're not arguing about the verdict here. If you want to argue about it, go elsewhere. | 2013-07-16T18:41:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/open-thread-zimmerman-verdict/comment-page-5/#comment-330153 |
Yeah, Joe Rogan is horrible. This is my favorite response to the whole Carlos Mencia stealing stuff thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFCy1syW8Nc |
2013-07-16T03:11:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/15/the-no-friend-zone/comment-page-2/#comment-329835 |
socialkenny, don't post PUA shit in this thread; I deleted your video. | 2013-07-15T17:54:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/open-thread-zimmerman-verdict/comment-page-4/#comment-329585 |
LBT, that's such a shitty situation. Hugs if you want them. | 2013-07-14T20:30:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/dont-be-that-rape-apologist-arthur-koestler-judgy-bitch-and-why-mras-hate-rape-awareness-campaigns/comment-page-4/#comment-329178 |
"Marie"/Pell is banned. He tried to post one last meltdowny comment, but it contained several slurs and didn't get through the moderation filter. "Marie" seemed pretty trolly from the start, but I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt, even though so many of the trolly posters here really don't deserve it. |
2013-07-14T20:27:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/dont-be-that-rape-apologist-arthur-koestler-judgy-bitch-and-why-mras-hate-rape-awareness-campaigns/comment-page-4/#comment-329174 |
(Also, it's a different Marie.) | 2013-07-14T18:42:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/open-thread-zimmerman-verdict/comment-page-3/#comment-329075 |
Marie, give it a rest or you're going on moderation. | 2013-07-14T18:39:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/open-thread-zimmerman-verdict/comment-page-3/#comment-329072 |
I banned anonymous, and I'll ban any other trolls who wander in here. (Just email me.) I also found the defense team's press conference, and it's indeed pretty appalling, if you have the stomach for it at the moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDpkS5Iui5k |
2013-07-14T03:07:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/open-thread-zimmerman-verdict/comment-page-2/#comment-328787 |
Here's a petition asking the DOJ to open a civil rights case: http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition |
2013-07-13T23:42:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/open-thread-zimmerman-verdict/comment-page-1/#comment-328652 |
If anyone has a link to video of the prosecution press conference, please post it. I missed it and apparently it was appalling. | 2013-07-13T23:34:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/open-thread-zimmerman-verdict/comment-page-1/#comment-328642 |
I just opened an open thread to discuss the Zimmerman verdict. | 2013-07-13T23:21:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/13/dont-be-that-rape-apologist-arthur-koestler-judgy-bitch-and-why-mras-hate-rape-awareness-campaigns/comment-page-1/#comment-328631 |
Oh, never mind, Elam was referring to when the posters first appeared last spring, not to the current poster campaign. | 2013-07-12T20:39:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/12/the-dont-be-that-girl-poster-controversy-in-edmonton-and-a-voice-for-mens-history-of-rape-apologia/comment-page-1/#comment-328137 |
AVFM describes this in several posts on its site as a poster campaign from Men's Rights Edmonton. The spokesperson for that group is Girl Writes What. AVFM promotes the group all the time, and the main guy in that group contributes articles to AVFM. So it's pretty directly linked to AVFM, though only GWW is literally on the AVFM masthead. | 2013-07-12T20:33:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/12/the-dont-be-that-girl-poster-controversy-in-edmonton-and-a-voice-for-mens-history-of-rape-apologia/comment-page-1/#comment-328135 |
meadhreid, yeah, I think I'm going to do a separate post on JudgyBitch's post. It's awful. Also, welcome! |
2013-07-12T20:24:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/12/the-dont-be-that-girl-poster-controversy-in-edmonton-and-a-voice-for-mens-history-of-rape-apologia/comment-page-1/#comment-328132 |
Wow. I leave the internet for a few hours and THIS happens. And, yes, I banned Pell. Now I have a doll video to watch. And then I think I might poke out my eyes. |
2013-07-09T23:54:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/09/matt-forney-still-trying-hard-to-offend-suggests-that-whenever-women-drink-they-cheat-on-their-boyfriends/comment-page-7/#comment-327354 |
I think the commenters in the OP are all women, actually. | 2013-07-08T13:46:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/08/penis-size-the-real-story-via-the-red-pill-women-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-326385 |
Even some of Vox Day's fans had some trouble with this one; I don't know it it's still up, but one commenter over there cited a bunch of previous accounts from a bio of Saatchi in which he (allegedly) attacked business associates in a rage, in several cases choking them. | 2013-07-08T11:43:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/08/vox-day-on-charles-saatchi-divorcing-your-wife-after-shes-already-left-you-is-a-totally-alpha-move/comment-page-1/#comment-326337 |
OF, taking over comment threads with endless tedious "discussion" of your pet topics, tedious. But blaming a rape victim for zir rapists future actions? I'm putting you on moderation, and won't be letting through anything from you for 24 hours at least. Depending on how I'm feeling then, I may just make it a permaban. |
2013-07-06T20:26:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/05/long-weekend-open-thread/comment-page-11/#comment-325881 |
O, I'm not going to give you any answers to your questions, because they would be similar to the answers other people have given you and you would reject them. Dating sites are misandry! Expectin gmen to go to meetups is misandry! Meeting women through friends is misandy! Or whatever. The idea that "THIS DOESN'T WORK" for men makes no sense given that, you know, most men do end up dating, getting married, etc. Also, how hard is it to say to a woman you're on a date with "hey, want to make out?" If she's into you, she's going to say yes. |
2013-07-06T16:54:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/05/long-weekend-open-thread/comment-page-8/#comment-325672 |
Oy, well I don't have the time or patience to skim more than a portion of OF's comments here, but the idea that this is some sort of novel discussion is laughable. Virtually every feminist site has had this discussion foisted upon it many times, as has this one, by game-defenders or incels or whoever who DEMAND that feminists tell them how to get hot women into bed, as if this is some sort of basic human right that feminists are somehow responsible for handling for men. But the thing that gets me again and again is the thing about consent, and how asking for consent will totally ruin the mood because SOME WOMEN DON'T LIKE THAT and it totally spoils the mood. Really? There may also be some women out there who like it when their dates surprise them with spontaneous anal sex without asking on the first date, but guess what, this doesn't absolve men of the necessity of getting consent from women before springing it on their dates. What I don't understand is with all these MRAs and PUAs complaining endlessly about the dangers of false accusations, why aren't they concerned with getting absolutely crystal clear consent before doing anything -- if only to protect themselves? It seems to me the only reason to whinge so much about consent and pretend it's so hard to figure out is b/c so many PUAs depend on pressuring drunk women into sex in situations where consent is really problematic -- Roosh himself has admitted to committing what in the US would be considered rape with a women too drunk to consent. If there's any doubt about consent, err on the side of NOT RAPE. Worst case scenario, you'll miss out on an opportunity to have sex with a woman who for some reason doesn't like to be asked for consent. Big damn deal. |
2013-07-06T12:13:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/05/long-weekend-open-thread/comment-page-5/#comment-325441 |
That AVFM piece is basically a troll piece by Paul; he makes up stuff and "footnotes" fake studies and then at the end he says, see, look, I made stuff up, that's what feminists do all the time! Whe he wrote it -- it's from 2011 -- I didn't want to dignify it with a response. Maybe I should have, but his "point" was so idiotic I didn't feel like it. Especially since his real point is to anger feminists and upset rape victims and then pretend he was only making an intellectual point. |
2013-07-03T08:31:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/01/mens-rights-redditors-still-cant-tell-misogynistic-caricatures-of-women-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-3/#comment-324451 |
I opened up a new open thread here. http://manboobz.com/2013/07/02/open-thread-for-personal-stuff-part-deux/ |
2013-07-02T20:12:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff/comment-page-8/#comment-324197 |
titianblue, so sorry about your kitty! ally, I wish I could offer some good advice! Hugs if you want them. I'm going to open up a new personal open thread so it will be easier to find from the front page. |
2013-07-02T20:06:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff/comment-page-8/#comment-324190 |
Also, what Dvärghundspossen said. | 2013-07-02T14:08:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/01/mens-rights-redditors-still-cant-tell-misogynistic-caricatures-of-women-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-3/#comment-323983 |
I'm not here to educate misogynistic MRAs/PUAs. etc; I'm here to warn other people about them, and have a few laughs at their expense because they are terrible and deserve to be laughed at. The people I write about here are not decent confused people. They are assholes and liars and haters. | 2013-07-02T14:07:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/01/mens-rights-redditors-still-cant-tell-misogynistic-caricatures-of-women-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-3/#comment-323981 |
This is kind of the ultimate "seemed like a good idea at the time to a bunch of drunk guys" video -- guys coat a slip and slide with gasoline, light it on fire, dude slides on it, and apparently it never occurred to any of these guys that any of the burning gasoline would stick to him, making him also on fire. Also, none of them ever heard of "stop drop and roll." Warning: graphic footage of his severe burns afterwards. Also NSFW. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5WTDkP9S7Y |
2013-07-01T22:17:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/01/mens-rights-redditors-still-cant-tell-misogynistic-caricatures-of-women-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-323709 |
Oh dear. http://tribes.tribe.net/cbt-bdsm/thread/795cb496-b06a-4d19-9939-00ec7a14e5ad [nsfw] http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1216581 http://www.steadyhealth.com/Hot_sauce_now_it_hurts_to_pee_t261280.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xE4BzwEllw related: http://everything2.com/title/Why+masturbating+with+Icy+Hot+is+a+bad+idea |
2013-07-01T20:51:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/01/mens-rights-redditors-still-cant-tell-misogynistic-caricatures-of-women-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-323657 |
I think we should start a counter-rumor that since spermjacking is out of control the only way to truly be sure that your sperm won’t be jacked is to put the hot sauce in the condom before use rather than after.This was my thought as well. Of course, real alphas just squirt the hot sauce directly up their urethras. Actually, now I'm wondering if people actually do this. I mean, sounding is real. OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. |
2013-07-01T20:42:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/07/01/mens-rights-redditors-still-cant-tell-misogynistic-caricatures-of-women-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-323651 |
I did not get permission to publish the conversation. I've been a journalist for more than 20 years, and I conduct myself as a journalist while writing this blog. When you talk to a journalist, or anyone acting as a journalist, what you say is considered "on the record" unless you specify otherwise beforehand. It's the same with written correspondence. Once you send someone something, they are free to quote it unless you specify otherwise beforehand. GWW has dealt w/ journalists before, and was certainly aware that I could choose to quote anything she said just as she is free to quote anything I said in the conversation. GWW didn't reveal any personal secrets in her note to me. She made the same sorts of comments she's made publicly many times. |
2013-06-30T22:07:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/30/girlwriteswhats-delusional-defenses-of-mgtow-misogyny-also-mary-daly-and-why-the-moon-is-not-a-potato/comment-page-2/#comment-323217 |
I didn't realize I still had that link in the sidebar; it's gone now. I need to do some more updating. | 2013-06-29T21:49:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/29/mra-icon-zed-let-little-girls-drown-because-theyll-probably-grow-up-to-be-terrible-women/comment-page-2/#comment-322887 |
... and spider is banned for socking. | 2013-06-29T19:32:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/29/mra-icon-zed-let-little-girls-drown-because-theyll-probably-grow-up-to-be-terrible-women/comment-page-2/#comment-322800 |
blauregen, can you name some prominent MRAs and/or MGTOWers who aren't clowns? | 2013-06-29T18:17:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/29/mra-icon-zed-let-little-girls-drown-because-theyll-probably-grow-up-to-be-terrible-women/comment-page-1/#comment-322762 |
Orion, you're on moderation for being a fucking asshole, just don't be a fucking asshole and your comments will go through. I trashed a couple of your comments by accident b/c I confused you with another asshole whom I recently banned. It's hard to keep track. |
2013-06-29T17:45:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/16/hypergamy-how-the-harebrained-notion-of-white-nationalist-f-roger-devlin-took-the-manosphere-by-storm/comment-page-11/#comment-322752 |
Also, I wonder what feMRAs think of this, that they’d be better off dead since they have the potential to be evil wimmin.Well, the MGTOWforums guys are at least consistent with this, as they don't think women have any place in the MR movement and are constantly going on about that. They call AVFM "A Voice for Manginas" because there are women involved with it. Of course these days Elam is trying desperately to recruit MGTOWers, so GWW is going around pretending that MGTOWers don't really hate women. I wish I'd saved the comments from her to that effect I ran across on reddit. |
2013-06-29T17:24:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/29/mra-icon-zed-let-little-girls-drown-because-theyll-probably-grow-up-to-be-terrible-women/comment-page-1/#comment-322747 |
I don't really understand hypnosis even though I've read a lot about it. I've tried self-hypnosis (using mp3s, etc) and it never seems to take. | 2013-06-28T13:24:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/28/are-women-worthless-strumpets-because-they-dont-wear-mens-suits-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-322400 |
Your eyelids are becoming very heavy. Come to think of it, my eyelids are becoming very heavy. |
2013-06-28T13:21:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/28/are-women-worthless-strumpets-because-they-dont-wear-mens-suits-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-322397 |
Why are all but two of the women grouped together in the front row?To prevent the spread of cooties? |
2013-06-28T13:09:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/28/are-women-worthless-strumpets-because-they-dont-wear-mens-suits-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-322383 |
Hypnotism is about living in a society run by hypnotists. | 2013-06-28T13:08:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/28/are-women-worthless-strumpets-because-they-dont-wear-mens-suits-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-322380 |
Argenti, just sent you an email, sorry about the delay, sounds fine. | 2013-06-28T12:52:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/25/john-the-other-debates-john-the-other-on-mra-misogyny-loses/comment-page-4/#comment-322371 |
So how many people were involved in that legendary incident? John claims it was 20-30. | 2013-06-28T11:37:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/27/that-fake-screenshot-on-a-voice-for-men-it-wasnt-faked-a-correction-and-its-implications/comment-page-2/#comment-322327 |
chibigodzilla, he actually did mention that guy, and called him a "weirdo" or something along those lines. | 2013-06-28T11:06:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/28/are-women-worthless-strumpets-because-they-dont-wear-mens-suits-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-322315 |
Oh, actually, maybe I want to touch the religion thing, but sort of differently. Who was it who was talking about being a unitarian universalist? I've looked at that b/c the whole "we welcome everyone, including atheists" bit sounds cool, but it just seems ... really really Christian, in form and structure and culture if not necessarily belief. And sometimes belief: The UU church nearest me is actually a church that's affiliated both with UU and with the united church of christ; it serves communion, etc. Just curious, really. |
2013-06-28T08:04:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/25/john-the-other-debates-john-the-other-on-mra-misogyny-loses/comment-page-4/#comment-322277 |
Argenti, thanks again for doing this, seriously. I'm not going to touch this whole religion thing. As I've probably said before, I'm an agnostic because I don't believe in god but what the hell do I know? |
2013-06-28T08:00:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/25/john-the-other-debates-john-the-other-on-mra-misogyny-loses/comment-page-4/#comment-322274 |
BTW, I put Greg on moderation for his assorted bullshit justifications for violence against women and the obvious relish he took in writing about it. | 2013-06-28T06:36:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/24/heartiste-men-need-to-be-able-to-hit-their-mates-in-order-to-retain-them/comment-page-12/#comment-322264 |
You can't expect MRAs to know who Aileen Wuornos is, I mean it's not like there was a major Hollywood movie made about her starring Charlize Theron who won an academy award for it or anything. Oh wait. |
2013-06-28T06:27:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/27/that-fake-screenshot-on-a-voice-for-men-it-wasnt-faked-a-correction-and-its-implications/comment-page-2/#comment-322263 |
Weeboy, sorry about your phone. That really sucks. And Yellaine, jeez, your doctor is terrible, what the hell. You might want to try sending your story and your questions to Captain Awkward, who might have some good advice on doctors and orgasms both. Carrie, that's pretty cool. I found the pic on Pinterest myself, and cropped it so the proportions would work better for the blog. Here's the original pic, with its original caption: http://weirdvintage.tumblr.com/post/45937764967/maudelynn-a-pleasant-burden-turn-of-the |
2013-06-28T06:20:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/27/equal-pay-a-secret-lady-plot-to-steal-mens-money-and-make-them-fight-lions-or-something/comment-page-3/#comment-322262 |
Yellaine, evidently he hadn't gotten his screencapture software set up properly, or something. But it still seems clear enough what's going on. Wetherby, yeah, he apparently thinks there's a shitload of money in whatever this hateful ideology we're supposed to be espousing is. |
2013-06-27T08:06:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/27/that-fake-screenshot-on-a-voice-for-men-it-wasnt-faked-a-correction-and-its-implications/comment-page-1/#comment-321332 |
Weird, I tried to paste his video into the post itself, but Wordpress keeps stripping it out. | 2013-06-27T06:23:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/27/that-fake-screenshot-on-a-voice-for-men-it-wasnt-faked-a-correction-and-its-implications/comment-page-1/#comment-321311 |
What Esmay doesn't appreciate is how hard it is to dance on the backs of children. They are very wiggly! | 2013-06-27T06:17:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/27/that-fake-screenshot-on-a-voice-for-men-it-wasnt-faked-a-correction-and-its-implications/comment-page-1/#comment-321309 |
Argenti, thanks again for all your work on this! Take as long as you need to get this together. Also, everybodyI'm thinking of asking one more question in the form of a little poll when I put up the results of the big poll, specifically on whether people see themselves as feminists, MRAs or what. These are the categories I'm thinking of using. Feminist Sort-of feminist Radical feminist Marxist/socialist feminist Womanist Equalist/Humanist/Egalitarian MRA MHRA Feminist and an MRA Neither a feminist nor an MRA Anti-feminist Thoughts? Any that I should add? Subtract? |
2013-06-27T00:29:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/22/the-man-boobz-survey-is-up-go-take-it/comment-page-9/#comment-321222 |
Screaming Fist, are you Alek Novy, or do you guys just coordinate your comments with each other, because he said virtually identical things about Fidelbogen here some time back:
The guy has scoured several hundred feminist books, thousands of books on gender, and does a ton of research behind the scene. The guy’s a powerhouse. His archive is impressive… I went back and read everything he wrote since day one on his counter-feminist website.http://manboobz.com/2012/01/15/the-pussy-fountainhead/comment-page-2/#comment-112321 I'm really not sure where you guys are getting any of this from, because I have seen basically zero references to actual feminist writings or even actual feminist arguments on Fidelbogen's blog ever. It's all unsourced assertions about feminism, and claims that he's allowed to define feminism however he wants because feminists are meanies and they'd better watch out. I don't think I've seen evidence that Fidelbogen has read even a single feminist book. If you have evidence that he has, please point it out. |
2013-06-26T21:28:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/26/more-fidelbogenisms-from-fidelbogen-brave-counter-feminist-tortoise-fighting-ant-warrior-of-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-321150 |
No, Screaming Fist, it is you who is the desperaterer. | 2013-06-26T16:20:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/26/mens-rights-redditor-beware-the-stealth-sarkeesians-infiltrating-our-industries/comment-page-1/#comment-320935 |
Greg, can you point to anything on this site that is hateful towards men as a group? I criticize people (men and women, mostly men) who say hateful misogynist shit, but where exactly are you seeing hatred of men? |
2013-06-26T13:44:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/23/the-history-of-feminism-as-told-by-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-3/#comment-320856 |
Feminism is an obese, ant-ridden fly-tortoise with wheels. In oatmeal. | 2013-06-26T12:31:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/26/more-fidelbogenisms-from-fidelbogen-brave-counter-feminist-tortoise-fighting-ant-warrior-of-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-320825 |
Er, rabbitwink, actually. | 2013-06-26T12:23:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/26/more-fidelbogenisms-from-fidelbogen-brave-counter-feminist-tortoise-fighting-ant-warrior-of-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-320820 |
Actually, rebbitwink, I think I can probably beat you on the "actually" front, as I tend to use it like every other sentence, and have to regularly prune it from my writing. Like actually for real. | 2013-06-26T12:22:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/26/more-fidelbogenisms-from-fidelbogen-brave-counter-feminist-tortoise-fighting-ant-warrior-of-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-320818 |
What is this, a Men's Rights movement for ANTS? --Fidelzoolander | 2013-06-26T12:03:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/26/more-fidelbogenisms-from-fidelbogen-brave-counter-feminist-tortoise-fighting-ant-warrior-of-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-320803 |
I didn't really quote from many of them here, but it's sort of amazing how many of his tweets (and posts) are basically excuses for intellectual dishonesty, usually with the excuse "well, the feminists did it first." Here's a pretty explicit one: https://twitter.com/fidelbogen/status/349835416729427970 |
2013-06-26T11:58:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/26/more-fidelbogenisms-from-fidelbogen-brave-counter-feminist-tortoise-fighting-ant-warrior-of-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-320801 |
Yeah, it's official: the filibuster worked. The bill is dead. | 2013-06-26T03:33:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/25/up-from-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-320710 |
Turns out that Heartiste says horrible/ridiculous shit on his Twitter pretty regularly. I added some more examples to the post. | 2013-06-26T02:38:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/24/heartiste-men-need-to-be-able-to-hit-their-mates-in-order-to-retain-them/comment-page-4/#comment-320684 |
Quackers, yeah, I'm going to write a correction/update to the screenshot posts. | 2013-06-25T20:37:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/25/up-from-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-320495 |
Orion went back and bragged about his adventures here to his buddies on TESTOSTERONE NATION: http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/me_tilting_windmills |
2013-06-25T17:58:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/16/hypergamy-how-the-harebrained-notion-of-white-nationalist-f-roger-devlin-took-the-manosphere-by-storm/comment-page-10/#comment-320392 |
That Voynich article is pretty interesting, and now I'm convinced it was written by space aliens, or possibly a hoax, or something else entirely. (I'm covering all my bases here.) My favorite totally out-of-context quote:
Another study concluded that the statistical properties of the script are consistent with gibberish.This applies to quite a few of our trolls, I think. |
2013-06-25T17:20:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/25/john-the-other-debates-john-the-other-on-mra-misogyny-loses/comment-page-2/#comment-320362 |
Hey everyone, make sure you scroll up to see some incredibly, well, not-convincing comments from Energomash and Quantum that I just let through (as well as a really good one from Sean R. Moorhead). | 2013-06-25T17:09:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/25/john-the-other-debates-john-the-other-on-mra-misogyny-loses/comment-page-2/#comment-320352 |
Hey Argenti, glad we've had no troll invasion! If responses have slowed down, feel free to close the survey. And take however long you need to process the results; no need to rush it. And big thanks again for doing this! |
2013-06-25T01:33:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/22/the-man-boobz-survey-is-up-go-take-it/comment-page-8/#comment-320022 |
Just catching up. I don't think Orion is a sock, but he crossed the line with that comment to LBT, so he's going on moderation. | 2013-06-25T00:56:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/16/hypergamy-how-the-harebrained-notion-of-white-nationalist-f-roger-devlin-took-the-manosphere-by-storm/comment-page-10/#comment-320018 |
Maude, adding to the hypocrisy, if you look at his twitter timeline, he posted something around the same time he posted these tweets about how DV is a 50/50 male-female thing. So he's basically trying to say both that "women are just as bad" and that male violence against women isn't bad. | 2013-06-24T15:00:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/24/heartiste-men-need-to-be-able-to-hit-their-mates-in-order-to-retain-them/comment-page-1/#comment-319370 |
totient, yeah, except that a "credible threat" of violence needs to be backed up with violence if someone "calls your bluff" to be credible. It just seems a bit circular to me. | 2013-06-24T14:55:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/24/heartiste-men-need-to-be-able-to-hit-their-mates-in-order-to-retain-them/comment-page-1/#comment-319365 |
I may be late, but here are some more cute animals for you Cloudiah: http://media-cache-ec3.pinimg.com/736x/bf/72/57/bf7257b515ff174ec364191a34b306ed.jpg http://media-cache-ec3.pinimg.com/736x/18/49/e9/1849e9bd44e3c981a702d20b55563f4a.jpg http://media-cache-ak1.pinimg.com/736x/31/df/d0/31dfd023c3ba19dd5679698932e6923c.jpg |
2013-06-24T01:07:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff/comment-page-7/#comment-319137 |
Shadow, well, I've gotten 631 hits in the last year from Sri Lanka, which I'm guessing is probably, well, you and maybe a scattering of people who've looked at MB once or twice. | 2013-06-23T16:47:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/22/the-man-boobz-survey-is-up-go-take-it/comment-page-4/#comment-318847 |
Wow, amazed at how many people are filling out the survey! I'm inclined to let the survey run through monday to catch people who haven't checked in on MB over the weekend, though that could be extended if we keep getting more results. Argenti, if you suddenly start getting a bunch of troll results, you should probably shut it down then. Other thoughts: Hispanic is obviously a problematic category, especially cross-culturally. In the US, people generally do see it as a clear category, but demographers also classify many Hispanics as white and use categories like "white Hispanic" and "non-Hispanic white." As for nationality, I'll put up some data on traffic by country when I put up the survey results. If we want to see how many *people* are in different questions I can do a quick one-question followup poll using wordpress' little poll gadget, or something else if it doesn't allow me enough categories. This whole experience makes me think I should do polls on a regular basis here, at least quick little one or two question polls if not necessarily big ones like this. |
2013-06-23T16:40:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/22/the-man-boobz-survey-is-up-go-take-it/comment-page-4/#comment-318841 |
lowquacks, actually, location is one thing I know about in incredible detail from the traffic logs, though it's in numbers and not percentages. (It would take awhile to crunch the numbers for percentages since there's data for more than a hundred countries.). I'll put some info about that in my post about the survey, but here are some of the top countries. (These are hits over the last year.) Country Views United States 3,235,685 United Kingdom 568,805 Canada 534,611 Australia 310,955 Germany 122,031 Sweden 64,229 New Zealand 47,646 Finland 44,188 Denmark 36,192 Netherlands 34,261 Ireland 33,461 Portugal 32,590 France 30,764 Brazil 21,268 Spain 18,350 Japan 17,372 I've gotten hundreds of hits from Morocco, Sri Lanka, the Isle of Man, even a few from Greenland, Palau, Micronesia. Total number of hits is well over ten million at this point. |
2013-06-23T00:07:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/22/the-man-boobz-survey-is-up-go-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-318515 |
Ooh! This post seems to have fired up his Fidelbobrain, and he's Fidelbotweeting again! https://twitter.com/fidelbogen/status/348651652213002240 https://twitter.com/fidelbogen/status/348655788446859264 |
2013-06-22T23:41:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/22/fidelbogen-is-killing-it-on-twitter-with-his-antifeminist-bon-mots-notreally-seriouslytheyreawful/comment-page-2/#comment-318506 |
Fibinachi, great comment! Argenti, thanks for doing the survey! I did a post about it. And on a completely other note, O said in passing that our dear friend Hugo Schwyzer was no longer associated with Jezebel. Not sure where he got this, er, info, but Hugo wrote something for Jezebel not three days ago, so I'm pretty sure he's still writing for them. |
2013-06-22T22:44:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-14/#comment-318481 |
I should say that while my neighborhood is one of the more ethnically diverse in Chicago, this is still relative. Chicago has a diverse population -- it's about a third white, a third black, and a third Hispanic -- but it is very segregated residentially. There are giant sections of the city that are virtually all black, all white, or all Hispanic. I have a friend who lives in a Latino neighborhood on the southwest side; she is literally one of about 4 white people on the block, and the neighbors refer to her as "la gringa." (The South Side is not all black; there are sections that are white and Hispanic as well, and Hyde Park is pretty integrated. There are White Sox fans who are white.) But there are other parts of the city where the segregation happens more on a block-by-block basis. I'm in a neighborhood like that. My block and the blocks immediate around it are pretty white, but if you go a few blocks east or south you'll find a lot of black and Hispanic residents, a little further and there's a heavily Vietnamese neighborhood. There's also some middle-eastern presence. |
2013-06-22T13:05:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-14/#comment-318212 |
O, as I just explained in a note in the Mighty White thread which you may not have seen yet, you've been posting way too much, which is disruptive. I would normally put someone posting this much on moderation and a "time out" but I'm going to waive that for this thread, since it mentions you. But consider youself on a "time out" for all other threads for the next 8 hours or so; if you keep posting in other threads I will go ahead and put you on moderation. |
2013-06-22T12:45:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/22/from-the-mouths-of-trolls-rape-is-unneccessary-if-youve-got-game/comment-page-1/#comment-318195 |
O, you need to take a break from posting in this thread. Normally when someone posts this much in such a short period of time I put them on moderation to slow them down a bit or to give them a time out. But since I just mentioned you in the other thread I don't think that's fair. So let's just say you've got a time-out in this thread for the next, say, 8 hours, but that you can respond in the other thread. If you keep posting in this thread I'll put you on moderation. Also, I don't give out much in the way of personal information on this blog, except about my cats, for a simple reason: some of the people who read me are angry and unethical misogynist assholes who have shown in the past that they will use any information they can glean about me against me, even if if means blatantly lying. Last year, for example, I gave a talk at Northwestern, as part of the Northwestern Feminists sponsored "sex week," about the fucked-up sexual ideas in the Manosphere. The organizers of the event handed out condoms and lube afterwards, as they did at all "sex week" events. Your pal WF Price wrote a piece full of blatant lies saying that I was teaching "co-eds" about "good sex," and that shit got spread all over the manosphere. So, no, I'm not answering your personal questions, except to say that the neighborhood I live in is one of the more ethnically diverse in Chicago and that I have no interest in any Chicago sports teams. I have had more contact with Cubs fans than Sox fans, and I hate sharing the el train with their drunk asses (the Cubs fans). Beyond that, I'm not sure why you keep pushing for demographic info here when one of the regulars here is in the midst of constructing a detailed survey. When that's completed I will post about it here, regardless of the results. Please do not write about it elsewhere until it is completed, as I don't want the results contaminated by manosphere types voting in it. I'm not sure how much you can conclude about my twitter followers from that twtrland site beyond the obvious facts that most of them are women and most of them are white. There are a number of POC that I know of amongst my followers, though this is hard to tell from the limited and unreliable data offered by twtrland. (The "top interactions" list seems basically random once it gets beyond a few people I talk to regularly.) I'll concede that the percentage of POC isn't enormous, but the fact that a lot of twitter users don't actually put pictures of themselves on their accounts makes this essentially impossible to calculate. (Also, some of the people who follow and/or interact with me on twitter are MRAs.) But, again, we'll have data for Man Boobz in a few days, so what's your hurry? |
2013-06-22T12:42:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-14/#comment-318191 |
> Feministing does indeed have a diverse group of writers – slightly more than half are non-White (though I do note for purposes of this discussion, that only two of those non-White writers are Black – hmm…),No, four of the women are black. Six are white. 2 south Asian, 2 east Asian. I like that even after your assumptions have been challenged directly with evidence, your assumptions change your memory of that evidence into something else. My point in citing this in the first place is that you have been making a lot of assumptions about feminism that don't seem to be supported by anything but your own negative feelings about feminism.It's not clear to me what if any actual evidence is underlying these assumptions. Have you made any demographic studies of any of the big feminist blogs? Do you really spend a lot of time reading them? If you do, please let me know hwo you determine the demographics of the commenters by simply reading their comments? I don't know how to do that unless people make specific references. Certainly your suggestion that Feministing was a "white" blog doesn't give me much hope that you really know much about the sites you're oppering your opinions about. Yes, racism is an issue amongst white feminism. But holy fuck is it a bigger problem in the manosphere. When white feminists do and say racist things, they tend to get called out for it, and they generally regard it as a problem that they need to work on, a defect in themselves. In the manosphere, there is a level of casual racism that would never ever fly in feminist spaces, and it's rarely called out. Only when it's really blatent does it get called out, and then generally only in more "moderate" places like Reddit. I've seen lots of really foul racism on the Spearhead, much of it happily upvoted by the regulars, and not just when the white supremacists tried to take over the blog. (And why did they pick it as a target? Because there were so many racists there to begin with that they thought they'd find a receptive audience.) And then of course there is that whole wing of the Manosphere that is openly and proudly racist. These sites are hardly obscure ones: Heartiste, In Mala Fide/Matt Forney, etc etc. They don't see racism as a problem; they see it as a solution. |
2013-06-22T06:55:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-11/#comment-317963 |
Cloudiah, how'd you even find that?! I added it to the post. I like that JtO's comment is completely obtuse and humorless. Q: How many John the Others does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Lightbulb jokes are a pseudo-intellectual justification for cultivating hatred and fear of men. It is obviously unacceptable to nakedly and deliberately promote hatred of an entire biological demographic based on a character of shared innate identity. Unless that group is the male sex. They’re the humans for whom it is politically correct to treat as wholly disposable; to treat as not even human, to kill in vast numbers while enacting our nation’s foreign policy and to imprison and murder in vast numbers while enacting domestic policies. Our children, when they happen to be male, are entirely disposable. |
2013-06-22T02:22:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/science-proves-that-men-going-their-own-way-dont-go-anywhere-really/comment-page-2/#comment-317889 |
namegoeshere, mostly I laugh. And I'm glad when I see *any* evidence of rationality from MRAs. Esmay's meltdown there is really quite spectacular; I'll probably do a post about it, though I really want to move on from this topic. | 2013-06-22T02:03:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/google-is-censoring-mens-rights-searches-and-these-totally-not-fake-screenshots-prove-it/comment-page-1/#comment-317884 |
Someone mentioned the SRS survey before. Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/nzipz/meta_srs_survey_results/ Key results: 58% male, which I believe is considerably lower than Reddit as a whole, though I've heard wildly different estimates of the % of men on Reddit. Obviously a lot less than r/mensrights. 79% white, 6 percentage points less than r/mr but still pretty high. Roughly in line -- a little bit higher than -- Reddit as a whole, if those Quantcast estimates are correct. |
2013-06-21T21:24:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-9/#comment-317735 |
I'm happy to collect email responses. As for the forum, we shouldn't do teh survey there. It's not very active at the moment and only a small portion of the regular readers are signed up there. |
2013-06-21T20:30:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-9/#comment-317706 |
I mean, neither solution is perfect, but that's my vote as least bad. | 2013-06-21T19:59:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-9/#comment-317684 |
Argenti, I just think that ballot stuffing could really undermine the whole thing, and if there isn't some way to block that even a small number of trolls doing it could really distort the results. | 2013-06-21T19:59:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-9/#comment-317683 |
I guess the notifications went out on rss and facebook too. Ooops, WEll in my defense I haven't done this before and don't plan to again. |
2013-06-21T11:57:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/science-proves-that-men-going-their-own-way-dont-go-anywhere-really/comment-page-1/#comment-317258 |
In case anyone else saw the tweets that arubakeru did, I accidentally published a couple of my draft posts earlier today, and I've got it set up so twitter automatically tweets my new posts. I took the posts down and deleted the tweet but if you saw the tweets and clicked on the links you would get an error. The Google post is coming later today, the other one once I get it done, probably next week. |
2013-06-21T11:54:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/science-proves-that-men-going-their-own-way-dont-go-anywhere-really/comment-page-1/#comment-317255 |
cloudiah, I want to use your search engine kitty picture for a post. Do you want to be credited? Also, do you remember who did the #killallmen one? | 2013-06-21T11:00:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff/comment-page-7/#comment-317186 |
leftwingfox has been posting in some of the other threads. doomkitt3n is also commenting, is in calgary but in an unaffected neighborhood. | 2013-06-21T10:58:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff/comment-page-7/#comment-317183 |
Why exactly are Amanda Marcotte and Lindy West required to provide men with pickup guides? | 2013-06-21T10:53:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/a-sexual-assault-how-to-by-a-sleazeball-redditor-thanks-kickstarter/comment-page-1/#comment-317171 |
Kickstarter just offered a real apology. I'm updating the post again. | 2013-06-21T10:41:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/a-sexual-assault-how-to-by-a-sleazeball-redditor-thanks-kickstarter/comment-page-1/#comment-317156 |
BlacBloc, where did you see this? I'd like to add it to the post. | 2013-06-21T09:49:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/21/a-sexual-assault-how-to-by-a-sleazeball-redditor-thanks-kickstarter/comment-page-1/#comment-317103 |
Also, I did just point out that most of the 14 staffers (editors and contributors) at Feministing are in fact not white. | 2013-06-21T09:34:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-5/#comment-317094 |
O, when you erfer to "Jezebel, Feminist and Feministe," I assume the second blog you mean is feministing, right? You referred to it several times earlier in this context. Feministe is mostly Jill. She is indeed white. I think there are a couple of other less frequent contributors who are also white. I don't know about Jezebel, though yes the writers I follow there (maybe 3 or 4 people) are white. But Feministing, well, it isn't quite as white as you think it is. Go look at the about page: http://feministing.com/about/ There are 14 women currently on the staff there. They aren't all white. In fact, whites actually make up less than half the staff. There are 6 whites, 4 blacks, 2 south asians, and 2 east asians. One of the women on the staff is Zerlina Maxwell. You remember her? She was in the news a few months back after she got death and rape threats after making some altogether reasonable remarks about rape on Fox news: http://manboobz.com/2013/03/08/zerlina-maxwell-challenges-rape-culture-on-fox-news-receives-rape-threats-on-twitter/ Feminists rallied around her. Meanwhile, good old Paul Elam was pounding out an angry screed against her: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/dr-paul-on-men-can-stop-rape/ |
2013-06-21T08:50:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-5/#comment-317083 |
Obsidian, how do you know that feminist spaces are as white as MR spaces? Do you have any basis for that assumption? Certainly there is much more open racism in MR spaces than there is in feminist spaces. As you obviously know well, there's the whole alt racist right wing of the manosphere, but there's a lot of open racism elsewhere as well. A lot of complaints about "thugs" and "welfare mothers" and other barely coded racism. And then there's all the racist fetishization of asian women, latin women, etc etc. |
2013-06-21T07:47:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-4/#comment-317044 |
It's too late for me to have many coherent thoughts on all this (yes my schedule is very weird) but on the survey, two thoughts: 1) could you do it so it uses cookies or otherwise guards against ballot stuffing? I don't want tampering by the you know whos. 2) I'm more interested in getting good data than in comparisions with the r/mr survey, so don't feel compelled to match their poorly thought out categories. Since you're doing the work here, your choice, but these would be my votes. DF DF DF DF |
2013-06-21T07:35:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-4/#comment-317033 |
Oh boy. Jason Gregory has written a pretty incoherent response to my posts that doesnt' clarify much, but which suggests that supidity may have played a larger role in all this than I previously had suspected. I asked him some questions in his comments section. http://funkymunkyluvn.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/lies-slithering-and-weasel-boobz-washing-the-walls-of-smeared-excrement/ |
2013-06-21T06:22:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/dean-esmays-pile-of-lies-how-a-voice-for-men-destroyed-its-last-remaining-shred-of-integrity/comment-page-3/#comment-317011 |
Hey, Argenti, thanks for doing this, I haven't had a chance to read through all this yet but I will. | 2013-06-21T06:18:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-4/#comment-317009 |
Excellent Google screenshots, people! I mean, me! (It actually wasn't GWW herself who said that but one of her commenters.) Cloudiah, I don't think I'd be able to give up that houseguest. |
2013-06-20T21:47:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/20/dean-esmays-pile-of-lies-how-a-voice-for-men-destroyed-its-last-remaining-shred-of-integrity/comment-page-2/#comment-316789 |
I've got a new post up dealing with their latest literally unbelievable spin. | 2013-06-20T10:38:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/paul-elam-blames-me-for-his-alleged-ignorance-of-the-blatant-fraud-on-his-own-site/comment-page-4/#comment-316501 |
Katz, that headline should be an inspiration to us all of the kind of great work we can do here is we all stand together and work very ineffectively and incompetently together! | 2013-06-19T19:49:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/scorned-how-pissed-is-girlwriteswhat-at-a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam/comment-page-2/#comment-316295 |
The real question is who wants to be Mangling Editor? | 2013-06-19T09:38:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/scorned-how-pissed-is-girlwriteswhat-at-a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam/comment-page-1/#comment-316020 |
I would at least like to be Associate Deputy Regional Canadian News Associate. | 2013-06-19T09:37:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/scorned-how-pissed-is-girlwriteswhat-at-a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam/comment-page-1/#comment-316018 |
They make vague general allegations about me lying, but never anything specific that I know of. Well, anything that anyone but them would consider lying. I'm sure Paul would consider me a liar for citing feminists in my "debate" with him to be lying. I'm sure they think I'm a "liar" for quoting them "out of context." Hembling accuses me of lying here: http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/depraved-and-futile-boob-makes-jtos-argument/ You can be the judge of that. They've accuse me of all sorts of weird things, though. They accused me of starting the "beating women" subreddit and announced they had PROOF! But then somehow that proof never materialized and they dropped the subject. Huh I wonder why. |
2013-06-19T09:24:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/paul-elam-blames-me-for-his-alleged-ignorance-of-the-blatant-fraud-on-his-own-site/comment-page-3/#comment-316014 |
Is this a reference to anything whatsoever?Nope. It's just projection on his part. He'd love to not have to address any of this publicly. He's really completely transparent. It's like he has no self-awareness at all. |
2013-06-19T09:17:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/paul-elam-blames-me-for-his-alleged-ignorance-of-the-blatant-fraud-on-his-own-site/comment-page-3/#comment-316012 |
I mean, I don't live in Canada, but I've been in Canada several times, and fly over parts of it occasionally. They speak English there, mostly, right? | 2013-06-19T08:04:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/scorned-how-pissed-is-girlwriteswhat-at-a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam/comment-page-1/#comment-315995 |
You know, Man Boobz doesn't have a Senior News Director for Canada. I think I'm going to appoint myself to the position. From now on you should all refer to me as that. | 2013-06-19T08:03:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/scorned-how-pissed-is-girlwriteswhat-at-a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam/comment-page-1/#comment-315993 |
Robert, I appreciate you buying the t-shirt. And I understand that maybe it looked strange to you to see so many people jumping on Buntzums for her remarks about JtO being (allegedly) mentally ill and (allegedly) a druggie. But as arubakeru has pointed out, there is more to the story than this. Fact is, she's done this many times in the past and each time has been told, hey, we don't do that here. And by that I mean: 1) We don't do internet diagnoses of people 2) We don't spread rumors about people based on unreliable information 3) We don't stigmatize the mentally ill I take antidepressants and have taken powerful meds for anxiety. I personally know or have known people who have been diagnosed with: depression (numerous people), bipolar, OCD, schizophrenia, hypomania, borderline personality disorder, eating disorders, I'm sure there are more.That's just IRL. Lots of people here have similar experiences. So here on this blog we're not exactly crazy about throwing around the word "crazy." But Bunzums keeps on doing it, again and again, and is surprised that people get annoyed -- and surprised that they remember that she's done it before? If you go to a party, and sit in the punch bowl and people tell you, "please don't sit in the punch bowl," and then when the next party rolls around you come back and sit in the punch bowl again, people are going to get annoyed. Just follow the house rules, please. |
2013-06-19T06:49:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/a-voice-for-men-gets-stung-or-thewoolybumblebees-revenge/comment-page-3/#comment-315980 |
freemage, yeah, I retweeted a link to that earlier, and hit that "report" button on kickstarter. I guess we'll know in a few hours whether kickstarter will actually pull it. | 2013-06-19T03:51:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/paul-elam-blames-me-for-his-alleged-ignorance-of-the-blatant-fraud-on-his-own-site/comment-page-2/#comment-315960 |
I know. That's part of why I think she really must be pissed at him. I don't think she thought through the implications of that consciously; it's just that one some level she realizes what a pompous old misogynist he is and her contempt for him shows through. Well, contempt mixed with admiration and narcissistic self-loathing. She also makes sure to point out again and again (as if to reassure herself as much as anyone else) that she IS the true "popular girl." I probably should have quoted more of this, but she goes on and on about how popular she is and how WBB is losing subscribers, etc. |
2013-06-19T02:58:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/scorned-how-pissed-is-girlwriteswhat-at-a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam/comment-page-1/#comment-315950 |
I actually think Dawkins *hasn't* read enough theology, in that he often appears to have read no theology at all. | 2013-06-18T20:54:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/paul-elam-blames-me-for-his-alleged-ignorance-of-the-blatant-fraud-on-his-own-site/comment-page-1/#comment-315799 |
Good news everyone! I'm having a Twitter feud with WBB. Apparently as of today she's no longer an antifeminist, or something, and she's mad that I didn't know this before I wrote my piece last night. But I dunno, she sure doesn't seem any different to me. https://twitter.com/DavidFutrelle |
2013-06-18T20:32:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/a-voice-for-men-gets-stung-or-thewoolybumblebees-revenge/comment-page-3/#comment-315790 |
Katha Pollitt on Hitchens' misogyny: http://www.thenation.com/blog/165222/regarding-christopher#axzz2WcH9zb8t |
2013-06-18T19:14:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/paul-elam-blames-me-for-his-alleged-ignorance-of-the-blatant-fraud-on-his-own-site/comment-page-1/#comment-315736 |
I take antidepressants. At one point I also was prescribed an antipsychotic (Seroquel) partly b/c it can help w/ depression but also because it puts you to fucking sleep. Lots of people I know of take meds for assorted psychiatric reasons. There is no shame in that. The problem with John Hembling is that he's a fucking asshole. |
2013-06-18T18:21:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/a-voice-for-men-gets-stung-or-thewoolybumblebees-revenge/comment-page-2/#comment-315674 |
If you follow the link to Harley's blog, it's clear they're either Buntzums or a friend of buntzum. Seriously, let's can it with the internet diagnoses and speculation about other people's drug use. |
2013-06-18T17:50:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/a-voice-for-men-gets-stung-or-thewoolybumblebees-revenge/comment-page-2/#comment-315651 |
ikonografer is WBB's husband. | 2013-06-18T16:36:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/18/a-voice-for-men-gets-stung-or-thewoolybumblebees-revenge/comment-page-2/#comment-315597 |
Carnation, this is a blog, and I think you're in the wrong topic. I tried to refer to Tom Martin consistently by his last name after the first mention but he is such a familiar character around here I am afraid I slipped up and called him "Tom" a couple of times. Are you going to revoke my blog license? | 2013-06-18T09:17:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/17/keep-digging-a-voice-for-men-ready-to-triple-down-on-dishonesty-in-order-to-cover-up-mistake/comment-page-2/#comment-315385 |
Well, I'm not David. I deny it categorically. | 2013-06-18T07:59:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/17/keep-digging-a-voice-for-men-ready-to-triple-down-on-dishonesty-in-order-to-cover-up-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-315369 |
But yeah, there's nothing wrong with being "easy." | 2013-06-18T04:01:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/17/patriactionary-women-who-hit-the-age-of-40-without-a-husband-or-kids-deserve-to-be-alone-and-miserable-the-rest-of-their-lives/comment-page-13/#comment-315327 |
I think Rose is responding to the douchebag I was quoting in the post. | 2013-06-18T03:59:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/17/patriactionary-women-who-hit-the-age-of-40-without-a-husband-or-kids-deserve-to-be-alone-and-miserable-the-rest-of-their-lives/comment-page-13/#comment-315326 |
I took my case to the comments section of Girl Writes What's blog and got one AVFM regular to actually read my post and sort of admit that I might have a point. http://owningyourshit.blogspot.com/2013/06/okay-i-really-wasnt-interested-in-doing.html?showComment=1371537505984#c312804613945755242 I'm going to write a bit more about GWWs actual blog post tomorrow, and the continuing WoolyBumblebee battle. |
2013-06-18T01:44:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/17/keep-digging-a-voice-for-men-ready-to-triple-down-on-dishonesty-in-order-to-cover-up-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-315310 |
Melody, do what you've gotta do to take care of yourself! Kim, ooops. Fixed. |
2013-06-18T00:44:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/17/keep-digging-a-voice-for-men-ready-to-triple-down-on-dishonesty-in-order-to-cover-up-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-315306 |
Dorothy Parker's theater criticism is quite hilarious. It's really my favorite writing of hers. | 2013-06-17T21:35:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-4/#comment-315254 |
Can you guys take screenshots? My guess is that they're going to try to pretend that the original article referred to "violence against" rather than "violence against men." And that they'll edit it accordingly. | 2013-06-17T19:30:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/17/keep-digging-a-voice-for-men-ready-to-triple-down-on-dishonesty-in-order-to-cover-up-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-315209 |
I guess he's just assuming that none of his readers will actually read what I wrote? I don't really understand compulsive liars, but apparently they happily pile lie upon lie without bothering to worry if they make any sense. |
2013-06-17T19:27:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/17/keep-digging-a-voice-for-men-ready-to-triple-down-on-dishonesty-in-order-to-cover-up-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-315206 |
Sorry about the big rats. You've got quite the zoo there! Also, I've got a new post up about AVFM's new plan to spin and fake their way out of this. |
2013-06-17T19:22:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/15/worse-than-wrong-a-voice-for-men-resorts-to-phony-photoshopped-evidence-to-avoid-admitting-embarrassing-error/comment-page-3/#comment-315203 |
Speaking of lazy ass, I just let through a bunch of comments from Mr.Tom Martin. Have at them! | 2013-06-17T18:09:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-4/#comment-315163 |
Tom's project is basically the equivalent of going up to women and saying, "hey unfunny ladies, maybe you could be funny if you weren't such whores!" | 2013-06-17T01:09:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-2/#comment-314956 |
CriticalDragon, glad you were able to get past the wordpress snafus that kept you from posting here. Wordpress is a bit wonky that way sometimes, as various commenters here have also discovered. | 2013-06-16T23:35:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-2/#comment-314923 |
BigMomma, another example: many people often find Tom Martin hilarious, but he evidently takes himself quite seriously. | 2013-06-16T22:34:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-1/#comment-314897 |
Sorry, I now see it said "lo/no/deferred" pay. But I'd still like to know when they'll get paid and where the money will come from. | 2013-06-16T22:25:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-1/#comment-314889 |
Note: I'm going to let Tom's comments through in this thread so long as he behaves and talks about his project. Tom, the original jobs listing I saw for this project said something about "no" or "deferred" pay for this. So will it be "deferred" and if so how long? |
2013-06-16T22:22:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/16/women-laughing-alone-at-tom-martin-and-his-video-project-about-gold-digging-women/comment-page-1/#comment-314884 |
If anyone wants to see an example an MRA in full denial mode, scroll back a page to see the comment from Black Fedora I just let through. | 2013-06-16T19:36:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/15/worse-than-wrong-a-voice-for-men-resorts-to-phony-photoshopped-evidence-to-avoid-admitting-embarrassing-error/comment-page-3/#comment-314811 |
Christo, yeah, Jason Gregory wrote the piece, but I still think they're different people. As best as I can figure it out, Jason Thompson was someone who wrote a piece for AVFM a while ago, and what happened is that somehow Esmay (or whoever) accidentally switched the byline when he was adding his little editorial note to Gregory's piece. If it's anything more weird and complicated than that I give up. |
2013-06-15T20:17:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/15/worse-than-wrong-a-voice-for-men-resorts-to-phony-photoshopped-evidence-to-avoid-admitting-embarrassing-error/comment-page-2/#comment-314633 |
The firebombing manifesto seems to be gone from AVFM. There's still a link for it in teh activis section, but I get a "page not found" message when I click it. I'm not sure if they meant to remove it or if it's a glitch. I was going to do a quick post on it, then this happened. (I actually checked every time before putting in each reference to it in my posts.) |
2013-06-15T14:59:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/15/worse-than-wrong-a-voice-for-men-resorts-to-phony-photoshopped-evidence-to-avoid-admitting-embarrassing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-314584 |
All this does seem to answer one question: I originally thought it might be possible that Jason [insert last name] had sent the fake screenshot to Dean as a way of pretending he hadn't gotten it wrong. But that seems exceedingly unlikely. Making me pretty sure the real culprit's initials are DE. But hey, allegedly. This is speculation. It might have been marmosets. |
2013-06-15T11:51:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/15/worse-than-wrong-a-voice-for-men-resorts-to-phony-photoshopped-evidence-to-avoid-admitting-embarrassing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-314522 |
Yeah, I meant he changed it on his original blog. The original version is still up on AVFM. Also, the confusion about his name is understandable: AVFM was identifying him as Jason Gregory, but now IDs him as Jason Thompson. (I had to doublecheck that with google cache.) I added a bunch to the post about all this.And took some screenshots! |
2013-06-15T11:46:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/15/worse-than-wrong-a-voice-for-men-resorts-to-phony-photoshopped-evidence-to-avoid-admitting-embarrassing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-314519 |
AHHH! The original blogger has changed his post to talk about doing searches for "violence against" and has put up screenshots showing that. No admission of error or acknowledgement that he has changed his post though. | 2013-06-15T11:13:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/15/worse-than-wrong-a-voice-for-men-resorts-to-phony-photoshopped-evidence-to-avoid-admitting-embarrassing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-314500 |
My new working theory as to how this whole thing happened is that the author of the original article did a search for "violence against" and saw that most of the top results were for "violence against women" -- or somone else did a search and told him about it -- and that somehow in writing it he misremembered the search or was sloppy and he added the word "men." And he never bothered to recheck, and no one at AVFM checked. After their error was pointed out, they COULD have said, "hey we made this embarrassing mistake, but isn't it striking that if you search for "violence against" you get all these results about "violence against women" and not many for violence against men?" But instead they did this, because they can't EVER admit they're wrong about anything. Especially when some dirty feminist points it out to them. |
2013-06-15T11:03:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/15/worse-than-wrong-a-voice-for-men-resorts-to-phony-photoshopped-evidence-to-avoid-admitting-embarrassing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-314494 |
Dean Esmay claims to be a "journalist." As an actual journalist I can tell him that forging evidence will pretty much get you thrown out of the profession for good. That said, I don't have absolute proof he forged the screenshot. Someone else could have forged it. But he does seem the most likely culprit, doesn't he? |
2013-06-15T10:56:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/15/worse-than-wrong-a-voice-for-men-resorts-to-phony-photoshopped-evidence-to-avoid-admitting-embarrassing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-314490 |
This story gets weirder ... and AVFM completely destroys its last remaining molecule of credibility. Check out my new post. http://wp.me/p17cYK-2m8 |
2013-06-15T10:45:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/13/breaking-a-voice-for-men-proved-completely-and-hilariously-wrong-about-something-again/comment-page-1/#comment-314486 |
Brz, was that why I had you on moderation? I'm pretty sure you were also being an enormous asshole. You're off, for now. | 2013-06-14T21:08:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/13/mens-rights-redditor-by-giving-women-the-right-to-vote-without-being-subject-to-conscription-feminism-has-brought-on-wars-killing-concentration-camps-starvations-and-endless-cruelties/comment-page-4/#comment-314402 |
There's a tumblr blog devoted to Indifferent Cats in Amateur Porn; it is of course completely NSFW. | 2013-06-14T19:38:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/14/red-pillers-hey-ladies-that-visceral-disgust-you-feel-in-our-presence-means-you-want-us-bad/comment-page-2/#comment-314386 |
snore, because your commrents have generally been both hostile and derailing? I mean, at least have the decency to pick one. | 2013-06-14T00:04:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/13/mens-rights-redditor-by-giving-women-the-right-to-vote-without-being-subject-to-conscription-feminism-has-brought-on-wars-killing-concentration-camps-starvations-and-endless-cruelties/comment-page-3/#comment-314199 |
Ooh, I gotta look into that Vox Day thing. I knew vaguely that he was complaining about something s/ regard to the SFWA, but I hadn't realized it had become a big thing. | 2013-06-13T18:32:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/13/breaking-a-voice-for-men-proved-completely-and-hilariously-wrong-about-something-again/comment-page-1/#comment-314048 |
When I googled it, Google seemed to expect that I was going to google “violence against women act”. The charitable assumption is that this dipshit hit enter too soon and didn’t realize that, yeah, fucking duh, you’d get a lot of returns for violence against women when you aren’t watching what you type.After thinking about it a bit I've decided this is the most likely explanation. |
2013-06-13T18:28:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/13/breaking-a-voice-for-men-proved-completely-and-hilariously-wrong-about-something-again/comment-page-1/#comment-314044 |
Drew, I never made any claim that the Spearheaders are "mainstream" MRAs, whatever that is, though I would say most of them are fairly *typical* MRAs, in that their ideologies are pretty similar to those found on assorted other MRA sites. Identical, in some cases, as Keyster has in fact written a number of posts for ... dun dun dun ... AVFM, the site you use as an example of a "mainstream" site. http://www.avoiceformen.com/author/keyester/ Also, dude, have you actually READ AVFM? That's mainstream to you? Say what you will about The Spearhead, but at least it doesn't host terrorist manifestoes in its "activism" section. |
2013-06-12T21:53:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/12/lets-talk-about-sex-with-the-icky-icky-dudes-of-the-spearhead/comment-page-2/#comment-313805 |
Roger, you're wearing out your welcome with these walls of text. I'm putting you on moderation. Try trolling in a more concise manner. Do some copypasta limericks or haikus or something. Or just move on. |
2013-06-11T13:52:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/11/agent-orange-addresses-the-mens-rights-movement-in-possibly-the-most-unintentionally-hilarious-video-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-313372 |
Reading the comments on youtube or antimisandry, I eventually figured out he was trying to organize some sort of MRA conference. (This video was from March, so I don't know if it's happened yet.) But he was so pompous in his video that this was completely unclear. That whole bit about catapaulting yourself or sending a pigeon was just him saying "email me if you want an invite!" | 2013-06-11T13:32:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/11/agent-orange-addresses-the-mens-rights-movement-in-possibly-the-most-unintentionally-hilarious-video-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-313354 |
He is a bird with the tenacity of a wolverine. If you listen to the end, he explains that he hasn't sat on a branch since becoming a men's rights bird. That's right. He's been in the air the whole time! Like a wolverine! |
2013-06-11T13:21:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/11/agent-orange-addresses-the-mens-rights-movement-in-possibly-the-most-unintentionally-hilarious-video-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-313346 |
I removed Fedora's "jokes" and put him on moderation. | 2013-06-11T13:10:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/10/killing-an-ex-wife-a-mens-right/comment-page-2/#comment-313337 |
I actually sort of like this loop. It sounds almost Kate Bush-like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw And if you really want to get "boxy you see" stuck in your head, here's ten hours of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXVNN0VhWoQ |
2013-06-11T01:10:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/08/9-amazing-songs-that-it-is-probably-impossible-to-have-sex-to-unless-you-have-them-playing-at-extremely-low-volume/comment-page-3/#comment-313191 |
After doing this post I had "boxy you see" stuck in my head. | 2013-06-11T01:07:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/08/9-amazing-songs-that-it-is-probably-impossible-to-have-sex-to-unless-you-have-them-playing-at-extremely-low-volume/comment-page-3/#comment-313189 |
Cloudiah, that little exchange in r/mr was so foul I made it into a post. | 2013-06-10T20:09:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/09/mens-rights-redditor-doing-nothing-is-our-plan-for-victory/comment-page-2/#comment-313117 |
Damn, my brain skipped right over that "behave the way we want" bit in nigglereddit's comment; I rewrote the OP to mention it. | 2013-06-09T19:26:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/09/mens-rights-redditor-doing-nothing-is-our-plan-for-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-312957 |
Hmm. Bits of roger's screed are copypasta with the word "manboobz" pasted into it, but other parts seem to be original. (I've checked various random bits of it, and these were the two bits of copypasta I found.) https://www.google.com/search?q=In+order+to+win+a+battle+one+must+know+who+the+real+enemy+is.+Otherwise%2C+one+is+shooting+in+the+dark+and+often+hitting+those+not+the+least+bit+responsible+for+the+mayhem.+In+our+current+battle+the+real+enemy+is&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a https://www.google.com/search?q=Like+a+hammer+or+an+axe%2C+they+are+not+inherently+evil+or+destructive.+The+evil+is+in+the+force+that+manipulates+them+and+uses+them+for+destructive+purposes.+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
2013-06-09T18:55:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/08/9-amazing-songs-that-it-is-probably-impossible-to-have-sex-to-unless-you-have-them-playing-at-extremely-low-volume/comment-page-3/#comment-312946 |
One more: Xen, I think I put you on moderation when you first started commenting here because one or more of your first comments was a bit on the violent side, which I don't allow here. But obviously those weren't typical comments from you, and I've taken you off moderation. So comment away! | 2013-06-07T15:40:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/07/mgtower-worries-will-men-be-forced-into-the-arms-of-ugly-fat-ladies/comment-page-2/#comment-312340 |
A bunch of things: 1) laserqueen, my sympathies! I hope your divorce goes as smoothly as possible! 2) I filled in some more info about the pic I used in the post. It's from the blogger The Militant Baker and is part of a response to some stuff the CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch said. 3) I don't think that Andrew in the OP is a Poe. I mean, he could be, but his rhetoric is not acutally out of place for the MGTOWforums at all. They talk like this all the time. And certainly he was accepted as genuine by the others. 4) I think a lot of the "oh no I would never date a fattie!" stuff comes from peer pressure. Guys who are attracted to fat women feel pressure to pretend otherwise. I remember back in high scool a friend of mine ws dating a very cute girl who was a *tiny* bit overweight. One day some of our other friends started getting on his case for that, and he reacted really defensively, saying "come on, she has a cute face," etc. At the time I was just dumbfounded by this. He eventually broke up with her. Not sure to what extent this peer pressure had to so with it. |
2013-06-07T15:36:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/07/mgtower-worries-will-men-be-forced-into-the-arms-of-ugly-fat-ladies/comment-page-2/#comment-312338 |
Cloudiah, I would like to buy the film rights to your last comment. | 2013-06-06T23:55:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/06/how-to-score-red-pill-alpha-dog-points-by-annoying-your-waitress/comment-page-3/#comment-312064 |
I added a youtube clip to the post from the movie Made to the post in which Vince Vaughn uses some similarly alpha techniques on a flight attendent. Watch and learn!! (And stick with the clip to the end to see just how into him she is, using the equation irritation = attraction.) | 2013-06-06T20:01:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/06/how-to-score-red-pill-alpha-dog-points-by-annoying-your-waitress/comment-page-2/#comment-311942 |
emily, you're right, I stand corrected. I guess I just have him on moderation for being an ass. | 2013-06-06T09:25:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/11/the-slut-who-got-ugly-and-sad-the-manospheres-favorite-fairy-tale/comment-page-5/#comment-311724 |
I decided to let all of those through. jonatma420 felt so strongly about that first comment that when it got held in moderation, as all comments from first time posters are, he felt the need to repost it twice before moving on to his highly original comment about cats. I for one always enjoy my cats. they are an almost continual source of delight, except perhaps when pooping (but sometimes even then). |
2013-06-05T21:56:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/11/the-slut-who-got-ugly-and-sad-the-manospheres-favorite-fairy-tale/comment-page-5/#comment-311579 |
I don't think FB should have taken down that chart of AVFMs, but I think FB is probably gun shy at the moment and moderators are probably taking down everything that seems iffy or mentions rape. The fact that moderators are overreacting doesn't mean this is all part of the evil feminist plan. | 2013-06-05T15:29:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/05/john-the-other-feminists-who-oppose-rape-memes-on-facebook-are-violence-promoting-fascists-and-you-are-too-probably/comment-page-2/#comment-311463 |
So I'm reading through the comments to the Elam video, and this one grabbed my attention:
Typhon Blue 5 hours ago If I get kicked out, I probably will have deserved to get kicked out. There is no true sinister motive behind the mrm or mgtow. Quite simply they are a reaction to a world that lacks compassion for men. |
2013-06-04T19:54:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/04/tempest-in-a-bee-cup-thewoolybumblebee-expelled-from-a-voice-for-men-for-having-her-own-opinions/comment-page-2/#comment-311023 |
Howard and Kitteh, I just got rid of the forum troll, and the topic the troll started. Thanks for mentioning it. | 2013-06-04T19:51:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/04/tempest-in-a-bee-cup-thewoolybumblebee-expelled-from-a-voice-for-men-for-having-her-own-opinions/comment-page-2/#comment-311022 |
The stats on that "rape culture is bullshit" thing come from some pseudo-study that MRA types have been citing. I don't remember the details, but I know that the false rape society or its successor the community for the wrongly accused wrote about it, claiming it proved that 1-in-4 was a myth. | 2013-06-04T19:09:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/04/tempest-in-a-bee-cup-thewoolybumblebee-expelled-from-a-voice-for-men-for-having-her-own-opinions/comment-page-2/#comment-311012 |
Actually, they use AW to mean American Woman. | 2013-06-04T18:49:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-14/#comment-311000 |
The Rebecca Watson comparision doesn't completely work, in that WBB is pretty much an idiot, even though her criticisms of Elam are certianly justified. The attacks on her actually started months ago, but they were all from MGTOWers. I'd been meaning to write about them for a long time. |
2013-06-04T00:25:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/03/homophobia-totally-the-fault-of-straight-women-according-to-mens-rights-redditors/comment-page-2/#comment-310677 |
... and WBB has just put out a 15 minute video (part 1) explaining her side of it and attacking Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H04HxDMw5WI Yep, I'll be writing about this for tomorrow, and probably again after that if it keeps getting messier. |
2013-06-04T00:19:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/03/homophobia-totally-the-fault-of-straight-women-according-to-mens-rights-redditors/comment-page-2/#comment-310668 |
Eurosabra, and yet, as Cassandra says, every thread ends up with you talking about yourself. I'm going to do what I've done in the past a few times and put you on moderation, and only let through those comments that aren't about you. General talk about PUA, ok, but you've exceeded your "you" quota. And no more on anything in this particular thread. The rest of you, could you also cooperate and not talk about him either in this thread? |
2013-06-03T21:28:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/30/friendzoning-the-rage-comics/comment-page-5/#comment-310595 |
BlackBloc, that comment was inappropriate, so i deleted it. Eurosabra, what exactly are you hoping to accomplish here? |
2013-06-03T21:18:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/30/friendzoning-the-rage-comics/comment-page-5/#comment-310585 |
Oh, man, I just watched that WBB video, which was very vague and didn't clarify anything. But the strange thing was that is seems to have been made in MARCH, just in case she later decided to leave AVFM, sort of like one of those "if you're watching this video it means I'm dead" videos you might see in some action thriller. | 2013-06-03T19:32:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/02/man-o-philosopher-fidelbogen-feminists-want-to-ban-facebook-rape-memes-because-feminists-do-not-allow-the-right-to-exist-of-people-who-are-not-feminist/comment-page-3/#comment-310536 |
Oh,man, there's a lot of backstory to that woolybumblebee thing. I've been meaning to write about her for ages. There's a whole gang of MGTOWers who are pissed at AVFM for various reasons, but who are especially fixated on all the women who post there, and esp. on WBB. WBB has responded by making videos attacking MGTOWers, and they've been swarming her comments on Youtube. So has Fidelbogen, actually. She's also been attacking libertarians and saying they have no place in the MRM. But Elam was defending her for awhile -- I'm pretty sure when he decided to crack down on commenters on AFVM in the wake of someone accusing one AVFM staffer of being a "feminist plant" that it was in fact WBB they were accusing. I think I need to write a post on this. |
2013-06-03T18:54:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/02/man-o-philosopher-fidelbogen-feminists-want-to-ban-facebook-rape-memes-because-feminists-do-not-allow-the-right-to-exist-of-people-who-are-not-feminist/comment-page-3/#comment-310521 |
BRZ, no nudity please. Plenty of other places for that on the internets. | 2013-06-03T07:30:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-13/#comment-310295 |
Apparently I am everywhere! | 2013-06-02T20:26:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/02/man-o-philosopher-fidelbogen-feminists-want-to-ban-facebook-rape-memes-because-feminists-do-not-allow-the-right-to-exist-of-people-who-are-not-feminist/comment-page-1/#comment-310081 |
I actually checked in on the reddit island subreddit the other day. Sadly, the project seems to have stalled out. Who could ever have forseen that? (Rhetorical question: obviously every single person on planet earth except for the 30 guys really into it.) http://www.reddit.com/r/redditisland/ |
2013-06-02T18:57:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-5/#comment-310035 |
auggsiliary, so glad he's alive. Hopefully he can get some help. I think you did a good thing in reaching out to his sister. | 2013-06-02T17:55:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff/comment-page-6/#comment-310024 |
ProPatty, sorry, dude, I've grown tired of your trolling, especially since I'm pretty sure you're MRAL. Banned. | 2013-06-02T17:49:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/02/a-voice-for-men-activates-its-activists-to-make-asses-of-themselves-over-this-facebook-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-310023 |
Black Fedora, the feminist open letter asked that Facebook remove "groups, pages and images that explicitly condone or encourage rape or domestic violence or suggest that they are something to laugh or boast about." This demand applies regardless of whether the victims depicted are male or female. Feminist anti-rape activists aren't going around sending each other "hilarious" meme jokes making fun of male rape vicitms. |
2013-06-02T17:45:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/02/a-voice-for-men-activates-its-activists-to-make-asses-of-themselves-over-this-facebook-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-310020 |
No wonder he was sounding so MRALly. | 2013-06-02T03:36:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-4/#comment-309775 |
Oh wait, Steele WAS MRAL wasn't he. | 2013-06-02T03:35:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-4/#comment-309774 |
Argenti, ProPatria's IP doesn't match up with anyone, not that this matters all that much. I think it's reasonably likely he's Steele; as I think Casssandra pointed out, he uses one odd phrase -- "in point of actual fact" -- that Steele liked to use. | 2013-06-02T03:32:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-4/#comment-309772 |
Bye, bye, DMG. Combine the creepiness of those quicksand stories with threatening language towards a commenter here, and you're going to have to find somewhere else to post. | 2013-06-02T03:26:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-4/#comment-309764 |
Sometimes I'm embarrassed for those who share my first name. This new guy's quicksand fetish is way creepier than Meller and his dolls. |
2013-06-02T01:45:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-2/#comment-309660 |
auggziliary, we should probably move this discussion to the open thread for personal stuff, so it won't get mixed up with discussion of the post, http://manboobz.com/2013/05/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff/ hope you're doing ok. |
2013-06-01T20:46:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-2/#comment-309546 |
augg, let us know when you hear back. and hugs if you want them. | 2013-06-01T19:55:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-2/#comment-309539 |
augzz -- that's awful, but there's no way of knowing what he's done, call a suidice helpline -- they may have advice on how to get in touch with people who can help in his area | 2013-06-01T19:10:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-2/#comment-309528 |
Buntzums -- I deleted your comment. Really? | 2013-06-01T18:12:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/06/01/judgybitch-wives-with-low-libido-are-man-hating-bigots/comment-page-1/#comment-309520 |
Let us assume that what The Black Fedora says about himself is true, that he hates pants and walks around without them on most of the time. Oh, wait, I thought it was make random incorrect assertions about people day. |
2013-06-01T05:24:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-13/#comment-309367 |
Dvärghundspossen, I think what's going on in the article is a) he thinks feminism means he should wallow in guilt for having sexual fantasies but b) he resents wallowing in guilt for his fantasies so c) he writes an article that basically allows him to express this resentment by virtually catcalling the staff at his kids school, the women in his yoga class -- all while d) pretending he's trying to examine his bad unfeminist sexual fantasies. | 2013-06-01T02:52:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/31/on-slate-daddy-blogger-andy-hinds-guiltily-wrestles-with-his-sexual-fantasies-wants-us-all-to-watch/comment-page-2/#comment-309361 |
no I’m not MRAL, I just looked up past posts, and I like that phraseWhich phrase, Pro patria, and whose posts? |
2013-06-01T01:00:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/31/the-facebookfeminist-plot-to-destroy-free-speech-male-liberty-and-10-13-of-a-voice-for-mens-traffic/comment-page-2/#comment-309338 |
glad you're ok! the news coverage has been uncllear on the amount of damage, though there are reports of several deaths. | 2013-05-31T23:38:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/20/open-thread-for-discussion-of-oklahoma-tornado/comment-page-2/#comment-309316 |
Hinds has now written a response of sorts to his critics; I added a link and some thoughts about it at the end of my post. | 2013-05-31T22:21:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/31/on-slate-daddy-blogger-andy-hinds-guiltily-wrestles-with-his-sexual-fantasies-wants-us-all-to-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-309292 |
Actualy, MM, if you want to see racism, you could check this out: http://whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com/2013/06/women-up-to-their-usual-shannanigans.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FMrLpN+%28What+Men+Are+Saying+About+Women.%29 http://mattforney.com/2013/05/31/murdering-black-mobs-come-to-syracuse-local-media-and-city-officials-run-interference-for-them/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MattForney+%28Matt+Forney%29 These are a couple of fairly prominent manosphere blogs just TODAY. There's a whole wing of the manosphere that's explicitly racist. Some of the most influential ideas amongst MRAs literally come from a white supremacist. Feminism has been trying to deal with racism -- including the racism of white feminists -- as an issue for decades. Many MRAs don't even see their racism as a bug; for them it's a feature. |
2013-05-31T22:02:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/12/with-courthouse-violence-on-the-rise-mens-rights-activists-continue-to-lionize-the-author-of-a-terrorist-manifesto-urging-men-to-burn-down-courthouses/comment-page-4/#comment-309282 |
Potatoes are very prehensile considering their goal is to watch season four of Dexter. Sherman Hemsley proved that just as Henrietta Pussy Cat did. See, MM, just asserting things doesn't make them true. |
2013-05-31T21:11:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/12/with-courthouse-violence-on-the-rise-mens-rights-activists-continue-to-lionize-the-author-of-a-terrorist-manifesto-urging-men-to-burn-down-courthouses/comment-page-3/#comment-309267 |
Also, on a completely different subject, I think ProPatria has got to be trolling. The IP doesn't match anyone, but that doesn't mean much, and it could always be a new one! | 2013-05-31T20:36:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/31/on-slate-daddy-blogger-andy-hinds-guiltily-wrestles-with-his-sexual-fantasies-wants-us-all-to-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-309258 |
Andrea. I think you're right about the resentment, which is something the friend I talked to about this last night brought up as well. I wish I'd worked something about this into the post. | 2013-05-31T20:32:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/31/on-slate-daddy-blogger-andy-hinds-guiltily-wrestles-with-his-sexual-fantasies-wants-us-all-to-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-309257 |
inurashii, I'm so sorry. That's terrible. | 2013-05-31T12:59:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff/comment-page-5/#comment-309074 |
I'm not even going to bother to try to figure out this one from TB. She has such bizarre ideas I never quite believe she's serious about anything she writes, but pretty much every time I've looked into it, she has been serious. Even by manosphere standards, her ideas are strange. Brz and hatboy, have you never noticed this? | 2013-05-31T05:30:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/30/friendzoning-the-rage-comics/comment-page-2/#comment-308907 |
Anyway, I think I need to do a sort of roundup post of the various times MRAs have made gigantic deals over things that are obviously and demonstrably fake. | 2013-05-29T17:38:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/28/ever-gullible-mens-rights-redditors-throw-yet-another-tantrum-over-a-phony-feminist-screencap/comment-page-2/#comment-308362 |
I updated the post. There are threads in r/mr and r/tumblrinaction (which also had a big circlejerk over the thread) talking about my post here on the screenshot; the regulars in those threads refuse to acknowledge that the screenshot may not be real. Apparently the mods are practically the only ones there who think the screenshot is "fake." |
2013-05-29T17:36:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/28/ever-gullible-mens-rights-redditors-throw-yet-another-tantrum-over-a-phony-feminist-screencap/comment-page-2/#comment-308361 |
Cassandra, do you want credit, or should I leave it vague ("a regular commenter" or some such). | 2013-05-29T00:41:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/28/red-pill-theorist-alarmed-by-the-prospect-of-women-freezing-their-eggs-having-sex-in-their-40s/comment-page-2/#comment-308175 |
Cassandra, it was this comment: http://manboobz.com/2013/05/25/dating-guru-alex-matlock-sex-with-women-who-dont-want-to-have-sex-with-you-is-not-that-much-fun/comment-page-11/#comment-307527 It's a great comment, and I'd love to use it, but obviously I can quote anonymously, or paraphrase, or just not use it if you'd prefer that. |
2013-05-29T00:34:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/28/red-pill-theorist-alarmed-by-the-prospect-of-women-freezing-their-eggs-having-sex-in-their-40s/comment-page-2/#comment-308168 |
Thanks for sharing your experience, wguffaw-ferrets. Hugs if you want them. Cassandra, could I use your "lighbulb" comment for a post? I think it makes some really good points very well. |
2013-05-28T18:43:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/25/dating-guru-alex-matlock-sex-with-women-who-dont-want-to-have-sex-with-you-is-not-that-much-fun/comment-page-12/#comment-307924 |
I still don't know what to make of that alleged email Elam allegedly got from Brennan. I mean, she doesn't even let men (or trans* women) *look* at her blog, so why would she offer to write for AVFM? | 2013-05-28T01:00:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/12/with-courthouse-violence-on-the-rise-mens-rights-activists-continue-to-lionize-the-author-of-a-terrorist-manifesto-urging-men-to-burn-down-courthouses/comment-page-3/#comment-307623 |
Agreed, also I'm pretty sure Jody Arias really is guilty and a terrible person. Doesn't deserve the death penalty, though, because no one male or female deserves it and also because we keep putting innocent people on death row. | 2013-05-28T00:59:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/12/with-courthouse-violence-on-the-rise-mens-rights-activists-continue-to-lionize-the-author-of-a-terrorist-manifesto-urging-men-to-burn-down-courthouses/comment-page-3/#comment-307622 |
Mr. Man, what exactly am I supposed to refute? There are indeed some awful women in the world. There are women who are bigots, abusers, and remorseless killers. Neither I nor any feminist who lives in the real world would ever claim otherwise | 2013-05-28T00:21:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/12/with-courthouse-violence-on-the-rise-mens-rights-activists-continue-to-lionize-the-author-of-a-terrorist-manifesto-urging-men-to-burn-down-courthouses/comment-page-2/#comment-307609 |
Uh, masculist man, how could one of my "feminist sisters" send an email to me from the account that Tom lists as his on his own web page? Feel free to contact Tom yourself to verify any of this. |
2013-05-28T00:18:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/13/tom-martin-leading-uk-mens-rights-activist-pedophiles-who-pay-children-for-sex-are-not-really-rapists-because-the-child-understands-the-nature-of-the-contract/comment-page-12/#comment-307608 |
I'm still about 100 comments behind in reading this thread, but I just want to respond to Fedora's last comment pointing out that Roosh didn't write the post I wrote about in the OP, as if this was a new discovery. (Huh, perhaps that's why I mentioned the author of the post I was responding to in the HEADLINE to my OP.)
Anyway, Fedora, if you are still having trouble understanding why people here might be calling Roosh himself a rapist, you could easily find the answer by reading to the end of my OP, but I'lll just spell it out again for you here. It's because he wrote the following in his book Bang Iceland:
While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.That's not a socially awkward guy having success with the ladies. That's a predator at work. |
2013-05-26T20:07:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/25/dating-guru-alex-matlock-sex-with-women-who-dont-want-to-have-sex-with-you-is-not-that-much-fun/comment-page-8/#comment-307014 |
Forgot to include the link; added it. | 2013-05-26T19:30:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/26/evil-seven-step-plan-to-destroy-men-uncovered-by-mens-rights-redditor/comment-page-1/#comment-306988 |
Pretty sure Black Fedora is NOT Pell; he seems to be what he claims: one of the guys tossed out of MRA London, and has a couple of blogs and everything. | 2013-05-26T19:03:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/25/dating-guru-alex-matlock-sex-with-women-who-dont-want-to-have-sex-with-you-is-not-that-much-fun/comment-page-8/#comment-306965 |
snore, I chose to have WordAds ads on this site; I do not choose *which* ads run on this site -- wordpress does, or at least the WordAds part of wordpress does. You see that thing that says "about these ads" above the ads? Click it. It will tell you more "about these ads." It will also provide you with an email address to report any that you found offensive. This derailing discussion is now closed. |
2013-05-25T19:27:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/25/dating-guru-alex-matlock-sex-with-women-who-dont-want-to-have-sex-with-you-is-not-that-much-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-306429 |
snore, thank you for your phony outrage over the ads on my site, the content of which I have no control over. | 2013-05-25T14:16:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/25/dating-guru-alex-matlock-sex-with-women-who-dont-want-to-have-sex-with-you-is-not-that-much-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-306349 |
la strega, hey, we both write about the same dudes, so it's bound to happen. emily, when I looked, none of the commenters were calling him out in any way whatsoever. The only mention of the word "rape" was in reference to some guy getting "raped" in a divorce. I can't claim credit for finding all these cat pics -- someone else put them together into one collection that's floating around the internet. |
2013-05-25T11:59:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/25/dating-guru-alex-matlock-sex-with-women-who-dont-want-to-have-sex-with-you-is-not-that-much-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-306281 |
"Countering" here is our old friend "Objective Observer." Did I ban him or just put him on moderation or what? I can't remember. |
2013-05-25T01:54:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/24/the-mens-rights-subreddit-finds-a-new-woman-to-love-because-she-hates-lesbian-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-306204 |
LBT, that's great news! Congrats! Getta Lode, thanks for the correction! I incorporated it into the post. |
2013-05-24T22:01:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/24/the-mens-rights-subreddit-finds-a-new-woman-to-love-because-she-hates-lesbian-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-306172 |
I'm not sure what trends the author is responding to either. I cut out some of the specific references to the fashions of the day, as they would have given away when it was from. (Also: they contained some rather nasty 19th century-style racism.)
Nothing is too extraordinary and nothing too exagaerated for her vitiated taste ; and things which in themselves would be useful reforms if let-alone become montrosi ties worse than those which have become mis-placed, so soon as she begins to manipulate and improve. If a sensible fashion lifts the gown out of the mud, she raises hers midway to her knee, If the absurd structure of wire and, buckram, once called a bonnet, is, modified to something that shall protect the wearer's face without putting out the eyes of her companion, she cuts hers down to four straws and a rose- bud, or à tag of lafee and a bunch of glass beads. If there is a reaction against an excess of Row- land's Maccassar, and hair shiny and sticky with grease is thought less nice than if left clean and healthily crisp, she dries and frizzes and sticks hers out on end like certain savages in Africa, or lets it wander down her back like Madge Wildfire's, and thinks herself all the more beautiful the nearer she approaches in look to a maniac or a negress. |
2013-05-23T15:39:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/23/quiz-whose-terrible-thoughts-about-english-women-are-these/comment-page-1/#comment-305884 |
Magpie, that article is amazing. I'm totally stealing it for tomorrow's post. | 2013-05-23T04:25:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/22/the-spearhead-on-the-urgent-necessity-of-criticizing-women/comment-page-3/#comment-305745 |
Joe, where did I say it was important, to people in London or anywhere else? I said it was "silly" and a "tempest in a teacup." I write about a lot of silly things on this blog. The killing, which happened after I posted this post, is clearly much more important. You should probably go to a site dealing with British news if you want to talk about it. |
2013-05-22T20:57:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/21/a-voice-for-menmra-london-infighting-gets-even-sillier-paul-elam-makes-his-uninformed-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-305632 |
Thank you,Joe, for your report from Obviousville. | 2013-05-22T20:24:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/21/a-voice-for-menmra-london-infighting-gets-even-sillier-paul-elam-makes-his-uninformed-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-305606 |
This just in: the only men who cry are gay men. | 2013-05-21T23:11:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/20/dirty-laundry-alert-tears-recriminations-and-infighting-amongst-a-voice-for-mens-london-allies/comment-page-1/#comment-305258 |
I ended up writing a new post after all. On a second reading of Elam's post it seemed silly enough to warrant it. http://manboobz.com/2013/05/21/a-voice-for-menmra-london-infighting-gets-even-sillier-paul-elam-makes-his-uninformed-stand/ |
2013-05-21T16:11:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/20/dirty-laundry-alert-tears-recriminations-and-infighting-amongst-a-voice-for-mens-london-allies/comment-page-1/#comment-305168 |
Just skimmed Paulie's "statement." Boy, not a lot there. "I have no idea what actually happened but I'm sticking with Andy because I know him and everyone should shut up after this and we're not going to run anything with any other viewpoint here." I was going to do another post, but it's really not worth it. I'll just do an update. | 2013-05-21T15:18:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/20/dirty-laundry-alert-tears-recriminations-and-infighting-amongst-a-voice-for-mens-london-allies/comment-page-1/#comment-305156 |
Kendra, thanks for the useful information. Hopefully when the sun comes up they'll find more survivors. | 2013-05-21T05:54:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/20/open-thread-for-discussion-of-oklahoma-tornado/comment-page-1/#comment-304999 |
Argenti, sorry to hear about plec. | 2013-05-20T22:06:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/20/typhonblue-aside-from-the-minor-physical-effects-of-abortion-surgery-how-is-forced-abortion-different-for-men-or-women/comment-page-3/#comment-304887 |
There are reports now of 4 dead. | 2013-05-20T18:01:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/20/open-thread-for-discussion-of-oklahoma-tornado/comment-page-1/#comment-304720 |
I've set up an open thread to discuss the tornado. So awful. Hearing stories of surviors amongst the students at that school. http://manboobz.com/2013/05/20/open-thread-for-discussion-of-oklahoma-tornado/ |
2013-05-20T17:06:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/20/typhonblue-aside-from-the-minor-physical-effects-of-abortion-surgery-how-is-forced-abortion-different-for-men-or-women/comment-page-2/#comment-304696 |
Watching the news right now; looks like much of Moore, OK has been flattened by the gigantic tornado. Property damage immense, no reports so far on injuries. Hopefully people found shelter. Obviously this is an area that's had experience with tornadoes before. | 2013-05-20T16:36:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/20/typhonblue-aside-from-the-minor-physical-effects-of-abortion-surgery-how-is-forced-abortion-different-for-men-or-women/comment-page-2/#comment-304682 |
This is a joke based on homophobia.No, it's not a joke. I'm not suggesting he's gay. I don't think he is gay. I find it strange that a man of his age is so obsessed with my sex life, or with asserting that I don't have one. It seems rather childish. |
2013-05-19T01:20:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/18/a-voice-for-men-declares-itself-too-important-to-bother-to-write-about-me-then-writes-about-me/comment-page-3/#comment-303892 |
Oh, speaking of things that no editor should have allowed to have been published, check out this masterpiece of incoherent insinuation: http://www.avoiceformen.com/restraining-order-terrorism/perrette-setting-up-shivers-again/ |
2013-05-18T20:57:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/18/a-voice-for-men-declares-itself-too-important-to-bother-to-write-about-me-then-writes-about-me/comment-page-1/#comment-303677 |
I'm pretty sure it really is Mark Minter's ex; her info checks out. If you're still reading, S. Minter, no one here ever believed a word he said about anything. |
2013-05-17T23:37:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/23/mark-minter-takes-on-marriage-mangina-manservants-and-americas-matriarchal-infrastructure/comment-page-14/#comment-303225 |
This may be a different Chloe -- different IP, ostensibly from different part of the world, FWIW -- but her opening salvo was trollish enough that I think I'll just go ahead and ban her regardless. | 2013-05-17T21:36:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/04/are-feminists-conspiring-to-make-all-women-as-ugly-as-they-are-misogynistic-douchebags-say-yes/comment-page-3/#comment-303187 |
I just did a search for the phrase "he's just a repair friend." There is *one* result. This post. I think it's fair to say that no woman has spontaneously uttered that phrase ever. https://www.google.com/search?q=%22he%27s+just+a+repair+friend%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Searching for just the phrase "repair friend" got me a bunch of listings for repair shops, many of them in towns named "Friend." Like this one in Nebraska: http://www.yelp.com/biz/steves-repair-friend |
2013-05-17T20:35:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/17/warren-farrell-warns-fellas-to-watch-out-for-the-repair-friend-zone/comment-page-2/#comment-303161 |
Cloudiah, that comment is amazing. I think it may deserve a separate post. | 2013-05-16T14:30:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/16/hypergamy-how-the-harebrained-notion-of-white-nationalist-f-roger-devlin-took-the-manosphere-by-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-302542 |
Also also, glad you liked the pic. There are lots of funny panels/covers from old romance comics floating around online and I'ce collected a bunch that seem like then might be relevant for man boobz posts, so I can pull them out when they're appropriate, and this one was obviously perfect for today. I have discovered that MRAS/PUAs think a lot like the writers of old romance comics. Or, at the very least, are as sexist and melodramatic. Other than that I just look and look to find good images. |
2013-05-16T13:08:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/16/hypergamy-how-the-harebrained-notion-of-white-nationalist-f-roger-devlin-took-the-manosphere-by-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-302514 |
Also, I love that you guys know about eleventy billion times more about baboons and apes and evolution than Devlin. Also, that he even got the plot of the Aristophanes play wrong. And that you guys posted all this stuff utterly and totally demolishing him less than 2 hours after my post went up. | 2013-05-16T13:05:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/16/hypergamy-how-the-harebrained-notion-of-white-nationalist-f-roger-devlin-took-the-manosphere-by-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-302510 |
CriticalDragon, it's shocking, I know. | 2013-05-16T13:01:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/16/hypergamy-how-the-harebrained-notion-of-white-nationalist-f-roger-devlin-took-the-manosphere-by-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-302508 |
I think I'm just going to give Abnoy an extended time-out, maybe forever. Certianly no more posting in this thread, or on this topic, or on anything vaguely related to it. | 2013-05-15T19:11:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/12/female-mra-argues-that-the-real-abusers-in-the-bbc-pedo-scandals-were-the-underage-girls/comment-page-6/#comment-302270 |
Cassandra, I think you're right, in a non-Farrell context, but with Farrell, the issues he thinks aren't being addressed are invariably going to be that men are the "disposable sex" or any number of other MRA bullshit notions. Only pages earlier he'd made a big deal about how unfair it was to criticize men for fogetting to leave toilet seats down for women. The whole chapter is about how very hard it is for men to express their feelings about anything because of various bullshit reasons he's made up. | 2013-05-15T05:13:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/14/trans-women-are-engaging-in-delusional-cosplay-and-more-transphobic-wisdom-from-the-spearhead/comment-page-2/#comment-301990 |
I don't understand the desire to have babies, myself, but I don't go around yelling at parents wheeling strollers down the street saying "ooh you sick filthy baby-havers, you know that thing came out of her body and it was attached with some gross flesh cord you people are sick." Well, ok, I've done that a couple of times but I've found that people don't like that. |
2013-05-15T05:00:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/14/trans-women-are-engaging-in-delusional-cosplay-and-more-transphobic-wisdom-from-the-spearhead/comment-page-2/#comment-301983 |
Farrell's argument is that the penis' "softness is a signal that real feelings aren't being addressed." Which is one possible reason. Assuming there's no medical problem, maybe the guy is tired, or is taking presciptions that cause problems with erections (but that are still worth taking), or maybe he's just, you know, not a spring chicken any more. Who knows. Instead of telling guys, hey, don't worry about it, there are plenty of things you can do sexually without an erection that both you and your partner will enjoy, and hey if you do those things without putting weird performance pressure on yourself maybe doing them will give you an erection, he essentially tells them to drag their partners into some sort of male-centered therapy session to find out what "real feelings" are ostensibly making his penis limp. Did I mention that Farrell is not actually a trained psychologist and that he doesn't cite any actual research to back any of this up and that basically he's just playing sex therapist? |
2013-05-15T04:43:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/14/trans-women-are-engaging-in-delusional-cosplay-and-more-transphobic-wisdom-from-the-spearhead/comment-page-2/#comment-301977 |
A couple of Twitter people guessed the answer: It was Warren Farrell! It's actually less awful in context. He has this whole thing about how impotence can be a way that a body communicates uneasiness bla bla bla. But yes he did actually write that sentence and put it in a book and not as a joke. And yes he apparently has a very narrow notion of what a loving couple consists of. Apparently there always has to be a penis involved. Just one, though! |
2013-05-15T03:16:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/14/trans-women-are-engaging-in-delusional-cosplay-and-more-transphobic-wisdom-from-the-spearhead/comment-page-2/#comment-301960 |
I'm running a little guess-that-quote game on twitter, but no one's got it yet, so I thought I'd bring it here too. Here's the quote: "The job of a loving couple is to respect the wisdom of the penis." Can you guess who said this? |
2013-05-15T02:46:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/14/trans-women-are-engaging-in-delusional-cosplay-and-more-transphobic-wisdom-from-the-spearhead/comment-page-2/#comment-301952 |
On the pingback, I accidentally let that through, then deleted it. I would happily allow pingbacks but for some reason they seem to screw up navigation of comments on wordpress. In any case, she has a post up about this. http://judgybitch.com/2013/05/13/way-to-miss-the-fucking-point-idiot-manboobz-fails-kindergarten-math-big-surprise-there/ |
2013-05-13T09:18:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/12/female-mra-argues-that-the-real-abusers-in-the-bbc-pedo-scandals-were-the-underage-girls/comment-page-3/#comment-301194 |
(In case anyone reading this thread now is wondering why people are quoting really awful comments that don't exist) | 2013-05-12T21:10:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/12/female-mra-argues-that-the-real-abusers-in-the-bbc-pedo-scandals-were-the-underage-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-300905 |
I've banned PeterVan, the latest sockpuppet of long-banned Pell, and deleted all his comments in this thread. | 2013-05-12T21:09:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/12/female-mra-argues-that-the-real-abusers-in-the-bbc-pedo-scandals-were-the-underage-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-300904 |
Jacob, what on earth is your deal? If you really think that most women who care for children abuse them and are acting in league with the devil, why do you want to get the opinions of women at all?
What am I talking about? This comment from toysoldier I ran across while searching your name:
I suspect most women, yes MOST women, have a dirty little secret involving children in their care. What astounds me is the teflon-coated ease with which it is glossed over, especially in the minds of the guilty. It came as a shock to realise the depths of depravity to which women can go within the social structures that MEN have built for their protection. Men must not allow the women in their lives to prosecute The Evil One’s schemes in the world, if it’s the last thing they do in this life. Own that responsibility, men.http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/when-women-sexually-abuse/#comment-30034 (In a followup comment he clarifies that by "evil one" he indeed means "the devil.") I'm not sure what your intentions are posting here, or if you even really are who you say you are. (The fact that you used an IP-hiding service at one point doesn't really work in your favor either.) I'm putting you on moderation, and won't let anything more through without some sort of explanation for why you'd be so polite when elsewhere you basically suggest most women (or at least most mothers) are tools of satan. Assuming that was you. |
2013-05-11T20:42:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/10/feminists-give-up-your-misandry-accept-that-women-are-inferior-and-oh-this-mra-rant-gets-worse-much-worse/comment-page-6/#comment-300453 |
I'm wondering why it seems to be the guys in areas that have been *least* affected by women's ever-greater role in the public sphere that seem the angriest about it. Right now colleges are about 60% women. But it's the STEM guys who are making the biggest stink about women taking over. | 2013-05-11T17:21:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/11/question-time-backlash-frontlash-the-end-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-300377 |
Really interesting data on economics, politics and attitudes here; click on the bullet-pointed items for charts. http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/endofgr/default.html |
2013-05-11T17:00:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/11/question-time-backlash-frontlash-the-end-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-300369 |
Crip Dyke, I think you're right. Obviously, underlying my questions here is my desire to understand what if anything in the real world the MR movement is responding to, and they basically never think about trans* issues. But it still doesn't make sense for me to cast the discussion in terms of a strict gender binary, especially when, as you point out, the rise of transfeminism has been a big part of the story of feminism in the period I'm discussing. It *is* difficult to avoid talking in terms of a binary when discussing some aspects of this, though, particularly the economic aspects, as economic stats, when they're broken down in terms of gender, are pretty much always broken down into binary categories. |
2013-05-11T16:45:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/11/question-time-backlash-frontlash-the-end-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-300367 |
For a quick overview that puts women's economic progress in perspective, and challenges some of the wilder "end of men" claims, this piece by Stephanie Coontz is great. Some of what's in it:
Women’s real wages have been rising for decades, while the real wages of most men have stagnated or fallen. But women’s wages started from a much lower base, artificially held down by discrimination. Despite their relative improvement, women’s average earnings are still lower than men’s and women remain more likely to be poor. Today women make up almost 40 percent of full-time workers in management. But the median wages of female managers are just 73 percent of what male managers earn. And although women have significantly increased their representation among high earners in America over the past half-century, only 4 percent of the C.E.O.’s in Fortune’s top 1,000 companies are female. What we are seeing is a convergence in economic fortunes, not female ascendance. ... The 1970s and 1980s brought an impressive reduction in job segregation by gender, especially in middle-class occupations. But the sociologists David Cotter, Joan Hermsen and Reeve Vanneman report that progress slowed in the 1990s and has all but stopped since 2000. For example, the percentage of female electrical engineers doubled in each decade in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s. But in the two decades since 1990 it has increased by only a single percentage point, leaving women at just 10 percent of the total. Some fields have become even more gender-segregated. In 1980, 75 percent of primary school teachers and 64 percent of social workers were women. Today women make up 80 and 81 percent of those fields. Studies show that as occupations gain a higher percentage of female workers, the pay for those jobs goes down relative to wages in similarly skilled jobs that remain bastions of male employment. Proponents of the “women as the richer sex” scenario often note that in several metropolitan areas, never-married childless women in their 20s now earn more, on average, than their male age-mates. But this is because of the demographic anomaly that such areas have exceptionally large percentages of highly educated single white women and young, poorly educated, low-wage Latino men. Earning more than a man with less education is not the same as earning as much as an equally educated man. Among never-married, childless 22- to 30-year-old metropolitan-area workers with the same educational credentials, males out-earn females in every category, according to a reanalysis of census data to be presented next month at Boston University by Philip Cohen, a sociologist at the University of Maryland. Similarly, a 2010 Catalyst survey found that female M.B.A.’s were paid an average of $4,600 less than men in starting salaries and continue to be outpaced by men in rank and salary growth throughout their careers, even if they remain childless. Among married couples when both partners are employed, wives earned an average of 38.5 percent of family income in 2010. In that year nearly 30 percent of working wives out-earned their working husbands, a huge increase from just 4 percent in 1970. But when we include all married-couple families, not just dual-earner ones, the economic clout of wives looks a lot weaker. In only 20 percent of all married-couple families does the wife earn half or more of all family income, according to Professor Cohen, and in 35 percent of marriages, the wife earns less than 10 percent.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opinion/sunday/the-myth-of-male-decline.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1& |
2013-05-11T15:52:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/11/question-time-backlash-frontlash-the-end-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-300363 |
Hmm. I guess I agree broadly with Shaenon's asessment of 90s feminist resurgence/00s backlash, but at the same time I think there's generally been a lot of quiet progress that may be partly generational -- people growing up having absorbed a lot of more (quasi) feminist assumptions about the world (the non-controversial nature of women working, the accceptance of the notion of sexual harassment, etc etc). The flipside is that plenty of guys lash out in grotesquely misogynistic ways online, but I think in terms of behavior and basic ways of thinking a lot has changed. I think if any of us were beamed back into the 80s we'd be taken aback by some of the casual but pervasive sexism back then. For example, Warren Farrell wasn't the only one who thought date rape was a joke back then; now I think despite what you see on, say, Reddit and amongst MRAs I think most people understand that date rape is rea; rape. Obviously there's plenty of extremely troubling stuff going on now, but I think there's been some progress. And I think that may be part of what the MRAs are reacting to. They're losing the war for hearts and minds, and this is why they lash out. |
2013-05-11T15:29:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/11/question-time-backlash-frontlash-the-end-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-300350 |
Truthy isn't the preggo punchout guy, BTW. That was "factfinder." | 2013-05-10T13:47:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/10/spearheaders-on-the-cleveland-abductions-part-2-feminists-are-making-castros-as-fast-as-they-can/comment-page-1/#comment-299971 |
Amused, your comment got me thinking about the issue of "empowerment" and I added a bit to the OP about it. | 2013-05-10T12:03:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/10/spearheaders-on-the-cleveland-abductions-part-2-feminists-are-making-castros-as-fast-as-they-can/comment-page-1/#comment-299926 |
crella, you do realize that not all of the comments posted here, and showing up in your email inbox, are actually responses to you, right? | 2013-05-09T22:07:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/08/mras-at-the-spearhead-blame-women-feminism-for-cleveland-abductions/comment-page-5/#comment-299816 |
gelar, I wonder if they followed you because they thought you were a goose, or because they were like, "what the hell is this person up to, I gotta see how THIS develops." | 2013-05-09T21:38:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/09/mens-rights-activists-turn-to-russian-dashcam-footage-to-determine-if-all-women-are-lazy-and-selfish-or-just-most-of-them/comment-page-2/#comment-299799 |
I assume Mr. Martin is joking. I hope? | 2013-05-09T21:34:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/08/mras-at-the-spearhead-blame-women-feminism-for-cleveland-abductions/comment-page-4/#comment-299795 |
Kittenserf, I think in the case of the pram, the hero is supposed to be the truck driver who alerts the woman that the pram has gone into the street instead of just running the kid over. Women caring about their own kids doesn't count. | 2013-05-09T19:35:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/09/mens-rights-activists-turn-to-russian-dashcam-footage-to-determine-if-all-women-are-lazy-and-selfish-or-just-most-of-them/comment-page-2/#comment-299719 |
crella:
And, you all will take one post (usually extreme) by one MRA and claim that all MRAs think that way.Really? This again? First of all, I don't claim all MRAs think like these dudes. Second, I've done 1200 posts on this blog. Not all have dealt with MRAs, but most of those that have dealt with MRAs have included quotes from multiple MRAs. I take most of my material from the biggest, most influential and most active MR sites out there, of which The Spearhead -- a site you regularly comment on -- is one of them. I regularly write about the leading voices in the MRM online, from Paul Elam and his gang to WF Price. I also quote from ordinary MRAs. Are you embarassed that these are the people commenting alongside you at The Spearhead? Why don't you challenge them there? If there is some giant invisible world of moderate MRAs out there I'm missing, please tell me where to find it. And then let me know why you post so many comments on one of the worst MR sites out there. At some point you're just going to have to admit to yourself that the whole "man boobz just quotes the outliers" claim is bullshit. |
2013-05-09T15:14:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/08/mras-at-the-spearhead-blame-women-feminism-for-cleveland-abductions/comment-page-4/#comment-299633 |
Happy birthday, Cloudiah! | 2013-05-09T13:23:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/09/mens-rights-activists-turn-to-russian-dashcam-footage-to-determine-if-all-women-are-lazy-and-selfish-or-just-most-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-299566 |
WF Price has responded to this post in a very mature and thoughtful manner: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/05/08/manboobz-chronicles-i-so-ronery-by-andrew-johnston/ |
2013-05-09T02:11:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/08/mras-at-the-spearhead-blame-women-feminism-for-cleveland-abductions/comment-page-2/#comment-299377 |
I added a couple more terrible Spearhead comments to the post. | 2013-05-08T21:12:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/08/mras-at-the-spearhead-blame-women-feminism-for-cleveland-abductions/comment-page-2/#comment-299274 |
Also, over on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1dygfu/feminists_are_taking_over_the_onion_some_pretty/ |
2013-05-08T20:13:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/08/mras-at-the-spearhead-blame-women-feminism-for-cleveland-abductions/comment-page-2/#comment-299253 |
Uh, no, Catwoman. The IP tracer I used traced your IP to a specfic location on a specific city block in Toronto. The IP tracer traced breadmold's location to another location on that very same block, only a house or two away. Literally a few yards away. I would post links, except that this would reveal your location -- or at least an ISP exchange or whatever very near your location. You're banned, and it will take a really genius level explanation from you to get yourself unbanned. Do I know for sure that you're breadmold? No. Maybe you're not the same person. Seems unlikely, but maybe you're just best friends whohappen to live next door. But even if that's the case, you're lying to me about that now, and breadmold has offered no explanation, and that's enough to get you "both" banned. |
2013-05-08T13:21:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-8/#comment-298916 |
Like, literally next door, possibly one house over. | 2013-05-08T13:10:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-8/#comment-298899 |
Catwoman, then why do your IPs show you as posting from locations basically next door to one another? | 2013-05-08T13:10:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-8/#comment-298897 |
No you don't, catwoman, just assume you're at the closest point. How far. | 2013-05-08T13:01:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-8/#comment-298879 |
Between where the two of you are posting from now. | 2013-05-08T12:57:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-8/#comment-298869 |
Catwoman, yes, actually I would. It shouldn't be too hard. | 2013-05-08T12:56:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-8/#comment-298866 |
C and B, is that your final answer? | 2013-05-08T12:48:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-8/#comment-298852 |
B and C, how far apart do you live and/or work? | 2013-05-08T12:45:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-7/#comment-298843 |
No, breadmold and/or catwoman, what is your PERSONAL relationship to one another? | 2013-05-08T12:36:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-7/#comment-298821 |
Catwoman and/or breadmold, can you explain your relationship to one another? | 2013-05-08T12:23:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-7/#comment-298794 |
Just a note to let you all know that our dear friend PEMRA is now banned for posting that gif. It's really not hard to stay unbanned on Man Boobz. Posting gifs of violence against women will put you over into the "banned" column, though. Well, violent gifs in general will. Gifs of adorable kitties, bunnies, seals, etc behaving adorably = ok. Gifs of gratuitous violence = not ok. |
2013-05-07T16:53:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/07/gullible-mens-rights-redditors-fooled-by-fake-jezebel-article-arguing-that-paternity-fraud-is-one-way-to-break-the-rule-of-fathers/comment-page-1/#comment-298109 |
Hey, aaliyah, and others who've been having a rough time lately, I've opened a thread for discussing personal issues. I'll moderate it more heavily to keep out trolls. It's here: http://manboobz.com/2013/05/06/open-thread-for-personal-stuff/ You can post pointers to it in other active threads if you post a lot of new stuff there. |
2013-05-06T16:03:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/06/warren-farrells-funny-footnote-and-where-it-led-me/comment-page-2/#comment-296885 |
LBT, so sorry things are so rough for you right now. | 2013-05-05T16:41:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/05/the-myth-of-warren-farrell-2-things-that-are-like-rape-supposedly/comment-page-1/#comment-296348 |
An announcement, especially for Tanen: Anyone interested in discussing Mary Koss's rape research needs to do it here: http://manboobz.com/2013/05/05/thread-for-hostile-visitors-to-endlessly-rehash-the-issues-they-have-with-feminist-research-or-whatever/ instead of in this thread. And actually, Tanen, if you post any more comments on it in this thread you'll be banned. |
2013-05-05T04:23:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/03/putting-warren-farrells-notorious-comments-on-exciting-date-rape-in-context/comment-page-7/#comment-296032 |
So if anyone actually wants to debate Tamen about Koss' research, here are the last three comments from T on the subject, cut and pasted from the Warren Farrell thread, oldest to newest, and then deleted from there.
Oh, and the quote about consent that Tanen is talking about in the first comment was in fact from Derick, not Tanen.
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This comment (reply to Pecunium who addressed me directly) is split into several.
Part 1:
Pecunium:
First thing first:
Also, I do not think Consent is the appropriate term here because, the victim could claim that “He/ she was too drunk” for consent or “He/ she was asleep”, and get away with it on grounds of Technicality, and accuse the Perpetrator successfully, even when the Perpetrator did not necessarily Force the Victim.I haven't written that drivel and I find it absolutely galling and dishonest that you attempt to pass it off as a quote by me, -- On to your questions/challenges. I’d say it doesn’t, not unless she is on the review panel for all grants for studies used by the CDC in aggregating data; and that definition is the only one she has ever accepted. Moreover, since we know you’ve not actually read the study (and I’ve not read it), I don’t know that the quotation you used compltely explains the justifications for the operational definition.The Koss paper which is behind a paywall is the 1982 where they looked at rape prevalency among college women. I have made no claim one way or the other about the content of that paper (I reported that Ampersand wrote that it included men in the sample after Aaliyah wrote that she thought it didn't). The operation definition I quoted is not from that paper. If you are talking about the "Detecting the Scope of Rape - a review of prevalence research methods" paper by Mary P Koss where the (inappropriate to call a man rape victim...) quote came from I can assure you that I've read it. You can click on the link above and read it as well. -- Can you show that it has been accepted as the working definition for rape studies afterwards? Is it a current usage in the field? No? Than go to hell.You know, I really do wish I could bring up some studies which doesn't use something to that effect as a working definition of rape. Do you know of any? CDC apparently found it inappropriate to call it rape - or rather they think it's an unique male victimization that is separate from rape. The Crime Survey of England and Wales (CSEW) does not even bother to include it in the survey even if it under Sexual Offenses Act of 2003 Section 4 is punishable with a sentence up to life (SOA 2003 doesn't call it rape either). The latest CSEW did a split-sample experiment to test a new set of questions. The new questions had an option that male victims who had been made to penetrate could answer yes. The analysts classified those who answered yes to that question as NON-VICTIMS. Because once havging used a shitty operational definition she can never again use a non-shitty one? Of course not, that might undermine your claim to it being, The One True Feminist Idea of Rape.There is no One True Feminist Idea of anything. But Mary P Koss' having an operational definition and arguing for it academically in peer reviewed journals and very possibly on advisory boards for federal agencies who does conduct national surveys on sexual victimization and publishes reports on the results are a tad bit more influental than Jane/Joe/non-binary feminist blogger/blog commenter who thinks it's should be classified as rape. As for Koss changing her mind since 1993, here is a quote from her paper co-written with Lehrer and Lehrer on sexual victimization of men in college in Chile published in 2010: It would also be desirable to conduct further quantitative inquiry using the revised SES (Koss et al. 2007), which contains items that have been crafted with behavior-specific wording to elicit information on a range of SV experiences. This will make it possible to base men's rape prevalence estimates with more specificity on acts that involve sustaining forced penetration, leaving less leeway for men’s individual perceptions of what constitutes ‘forced sex.’In that paper an affirmative response to: Someone forced me to have sex using physical force. was coded as physically-forced sex. Lehrer, Lehrer, Lehere and Oyarzún have, using the same 2005 dataset, written a paper called : Prevalence of and Risk Factors for Sexual Victimization in College Women in Chile. In that paper an affirmative response (from female respondents) to: Someone forced me to have sex using physical force. was coded as rape. But let's take a look at the revised SES Koss et al would like to use instead on the Chilean dataset: Here is a quote from the 2007 paper by Koss et al: Revising the SES: A Collaborative Process to Improve Assessment of Sexual Aggression and Victimization We acknowledge the inappropriateness of female verbal coercion and the legitimacy of male perceptions that they have had unwanted sex. Although men may sometimes sexually penetrate women when ambivalent about their own desires, these acts fail to meet legal definitions of rape that are based on penetration of the body of the victim. Furthermore, the data indicate that men's experiences of pressured sex are qualitatively different from women's experiences of rape. Specifically, the acts experienced by men lacked the level of force and psychologically distressing impact that women reported (Struckman-Johnson, 1988; Struckman-Johnson & Struckman-Johnson, 1994). We worked diligently to develop item wording that captured men's sense of pressure to have sex and draw their responses into an appropriate category of coercion instead of to rape items. The revised wording is discussed in more detail later in the article.No, apparently still inappropriate. Both the SES-LSV (questions included in linked article above) and SES-LVF (link (questions are in a Word document linked on the linked page) does not ask any questions about men being made to penetrate women without the man's consent. They do ask men whether they have been anally penetrated without consent. |
2013-05-05T04:15:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/05/thread-for-hostile-visitors-to-endlessly-rehash-the-issues-they-have-with-feminist-research-or-whatever/comment-page-1/#comment-296030 |
I read through a lot of the posts there and the clear targets in most cases were the PUAs; the "native american" piece was the exception, not the rule. The satire isn't exactly deep in must cases -- mostly it consists of the supposed PUAs writing the pieces being really really dumb. (The "nose hole" stuff is supposed to be a parody of the dumbed-down pseudoscience endlessly regurgitated on PUA/manosphere blogs.) I guess what puzzled me is that there were some places where the blog authors really did seem to get that they could satirize PUAs without being truly misogynist/racist etc.. The hypergamy one really seems to be a parody of misogyny rather than an expression of misgogyny. And the one about "game for black dudes" isn't racist towards actual black people at all as far as I remember (it's basically a really dumb joke about how the really dumb author has mixed up goths with black people). There seems to be a big difference between this blog and, say, Nigel's Big Game Blog, which is thoroughly hateful towards women and fat people through and through, whereas in this case I get the sense that the racism isn't an expression of particularly deep racism or racist ideology (a la Heartiste and many right-wing manospherians) but of exaggerated "troll" racism. Still totally an asshole move, of course, but I don't think these guys are going to sign up for the Klan. |
2013-05-04T17:05:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/04/is-bang-some-chicks-any-better-than-the-pickup-artists-it-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-295872 |
If I can ever make it through The Liberated Man, I will be looking closely for signs of nascent MRA shitlordism. | 2013-05-03T23:30:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/03/putting-warren-farrells-notorious-comments-on-exciting-date-rape-in-context/comment-page-4/#comment-295681 |
grumpycatisagirl, yeah, he really was a feminist, at least for a little while. The NOW thing is partly true. He was on the board of the New York city CHAPTER of NOW for a couple of years, not the national organization, though he always words it in such away that it somehow gives everyone the impression he was on the board of the national organization. I've been going through a bunch of his books, including his 70s feminist book, "the liberated man," but unfortunately I can't tell you anything about it because it's so boring that every time I try to read it my eyes glaze over and I immediately forget what I've read. His next book, why men are the way they are, written in the 80s, is filled with MRAish bullshit, though he hadn't worked out the full MRA schtick he displays in Myth of Male Power. |
2013-05-03T23:29:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/03/putting-warren-farrells-notorious-comments-on-exciting-date-rape-in-context/comment-page-4/#comment-295680 |
I just let through one last comment from "Adam/Derick" because it's hilarious. | 2013-05-03T22:15:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/03/putting-warren-farrells-notorious-comments-on-exciting-date-rape-in-context/comment-page-4/#comment-295661 |
I was going to let a second comment from "Adam" through but then I checked and realized that "Adam" was "Derick." Not the same IP, but both IPs tracked to the same spot in the same city in India, so I'm going to take a wild leap of faith and say it's the same person. | 2013-05-03T20:38:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/03/putting-warren-farrells-notorious-comments-on-exciting-date-rape-in-context/comment-page-3/#comment-295615 |
Katz: that bit about "employment fraud." Congrats, you are thinking more like Warren Farrell than you might imagine! (See upcoming post.) Also, I forgot who mentioned this, but on the whole "women like reading romance novels" thing, I also enjoy fiction/movies/tv shows in which the heroes/heroines are routinely punched, shot at, stabbed, blown up, thrown off cliffs and out of airplanes, attacked by monsters and aliens, etc etc, and yet I want none of these things to happen to me in real life. Even though they would all be quite exciting, as in terrifying. Funny how fiction and reality are two different things! |
2013-05-03T16:15:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/03/putting-warren-farrells-notorious-comments-on-exciting-date-rape-in-context/comment-page-1/#comment-295479 |
aj, sorry you're in such a rough situation, get better! And thanks for checking in! | 2013-05-03T15:44:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/02/mens-human-rights-movement-declares-war-on-rapetards/comment-page-3/#comment-295473 |
amandajane, get yourself checked out! | 2013-05-03T03:59:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/02/mens-human-rights-movement-declares-war-on-rapetards/comment-page-2/#comment-295250 |
Abnoy, I didn't let through your long comment suggesting that we were all hypocrites for not thinking ephebophilia was just dandy. You're going to have to start your own blog for that, dude. | 2013-05-03T03:13:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/29/funny-mens-rights-video-time/comment-page-4/#comment-295246 |
I didn't see Tamen's last comment before posting mine; comments like that are obviously on topic and appropriate. | 2013-05-02T19:20:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/01/the-myth-of-warren-farrell-farrell-on-rape-part-one/comment-page-9/#comment-295050 |
Oh boy, he said wearily. As the head asshole Mangina here I will make sure that Derick sticks his flounce. And Tamen is going in the moderation filter too. It's one thing to bring up other issues; it's another to derail and adamantly refuse every attempt of other people here to bring the discussion back to the topic at hand. |
2013-05-02T19:17:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/01/the-myth-of-warren-farrell-farrell-on-rape-part-one/comment-page-9/#comment-295043 |
Fibinachi, when I read your MRA or not MRA quiz I was insanely jealous that you'd managed to find so many amazing quotes. Then I googled them. I still got it! My boys can swim! |
2013-05-02T16:43:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/01/the-myth-of-warren-farrell-farrell-on-rape-part-one/comment-page-7/#comment-294915 |
pvblivs, if you have any googling skills at all, you could track down the site from which I took the doxing screenshot. It's run by a well-known MRA who has been around for years, is without a shadow of a doubt a real person and not me, lives on a different continent than I do, has put up numerous videos of himself online, etc etc. I just checked and it's still up; indeed, he discovered I posted a screenshot here and has added some really creepy threatening comments aimed at women in general to it. The youtube comments are a bit harder to track down as there are so many of them, but if you go to youtube you can find new horrible and threatening comments being added to the videos of red every day! |
2013-05-02T16:19:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-24/#comment-294896 |
driversuz and judgy bitch are different people. but isn't truthy also ideologue review (and the preggo punchout guy?) |
2013-05-02T15:30:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/02/mens-human-rights-movement-declares-war-on-rapetards/comment-page-1/#comment-294874 |
FWIW, Abnoy's IP maps to the Philipines. Which doesn't say anything about his character, though he hasn't really left us much doubt as to that. | 2013-05-02T02:50:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/29/funny-mens-rights-video-time/comment-page-2/#comment-294671 |
Tolgey, he does talk about male "addiction" to famale beauty in TMOMP, but not w/ regard to rape -- he suggests that's why a man would "temporarily 'lose his mind', that is, marry a woman and "agree to support her for the rest of his life." (p. 85) He may talk about it w/ regard to rape elsewhere; I'm not sure. |
2013-05-01T17:09:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/01/the-myth-of-warren-farrell-farrell-on-rape-part-one/comment-page-2/#comment-294294 |
oten partisan: I haven't read Moxon yet, though I have a copy. I plan on getting to it soon, bu tI've got a lot more Farrell coming befoe that. NOTE TO TRUTHY: I'm not going to let though any videos from you ever, b/c I don't want to have to preview them to see if they're appropriate. So don't bother posting them. |
2013-05-01T16:38:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/01/the-myth-of-warren-farrell-farrell-on-rape-part-one/comment-page-2/#comment-294283 |
Tom Dane is banned for posting that gif of a man kicking a woman. And for pointless trollery. I deleted the gif. | 2013-04-30T12:40:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/23/mark-minter-takes-on-marriage-mangina-manservants-and-americas-matriarchal-infrastructure/comment-page-13/#comment-293836 |
Cloudiah, that foot thing was ... weird. I had no idea! | 2013-04-29T12:56:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/29/how-bad-ideas-get-started-the-apex-fallacy-the-frontman-fallacy-and-the-murderer-marc-lepine/comment-page-1/#comment-292910 |
Nerdypants, the process by which the blog was connected (at least in the minds of the harassers) to Georgetown is known scientifically as "'jumping to conclusions." You can see the steps Elam et al took to get there in some of my older posts on the subject. | 2013-04-28T22:46:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/28/signal-boost-official-georgetown-statement-on-false-accusations-against-arianna-pattek/comment-page-1/#comment-292759 |
lawmedy, the levels of denial in response to your reddit comment are really quite amazing. | 2013-04-28T16:45:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/28/the-feminist-hegemony-will-destroy-your-hard-drive-and-other-things-i-learned-from-erin-pizzeys-return-visit-to-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-292589 |
I think one of the reasons for the incoherence of Pizzey's answers was that she was dictating them to someone from AVFM (I think Dean Esmay) rather than typing them, and it's easier to lose your train of thought, and to forget to finish sentences,when you're talking than typing. But that's kind of what happens when the folks at AVFM treat her as such a celebrity that she can't be bothered to type her own answers. (Which is what I think she did with her first AMA.) Of course she'll be treated as a celeb only so long as she toes the AVFM line. |
2013-04-28T16:43:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/28/the-feminist-hegemony-will-destroy-your-hard-drive-and-other-things-i-learned-from-erin-pizzeys-return-visit-to-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-292588 |
As far as anti-abuse and equality goes, you will be hard pressed to find someone better than PizzeyAside from the women I know who volunteer at rape and DV advocacy services/shelters that serve both women and men. |
2013-04-28T16:34:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/28/the-feminist-hegemony-will-destroy-your-hard-drive-and-other-things-i-learned-from-erin-pizzeys-return-visit-to-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-292586 |
Cloudiah, so sorry to hear about your friend. Happy birthday, Melody! PEMRA, you're an idiot. A racist asshole confesses to literally raping a woman (assuming he's telling the truth) and this to you is "edgy humor," but a subreddit that calls out bigotry on reddit is a hate group? |
2013-04-26T04:30:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/25/300-upvotes-apparently-not-enough-for-racist-rapist-redditor/comment-page-4/#comment-291498 |
Of course, Elam and pals generally apply the term "white knight" to the sort of man who, you know, thinks that A Voice for Men shouldn't target random women for hate campaigns based on faulty evidence that Elam hasn't even read. Elam has deleted the comments to that Georgetown article, but several commenters used that term to blast his critics -- who were, incidentally , completely right -- and those commenters got upvotes from the AVFM peanut gallery. (Happily, I saved screenshots.) Using the term "white knight" to essentially mean "a man who doesn't hate women sufficiently" does not exactly absolve Elam and pals of charges of misogyny. |
2013-04-25T10:34:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/22/why-havent-mens-rights-activists-turned-on-paul-elam-for-falsely-accusing-arianna-pattek-of-civil-rights-violations/comment-page-5/#comment-291139 |
Does Elam write posts about how women who go home with men are "begging" to be raped? Yes he does. Does Elam write posts about how men who get arrested are "begging" to be raped in prison? No he doesn't. The idea that Elam hates feminism but doesn't hate women is absurd to anyone who has read more than about a paragraph or two of his writing. Well, to anyone who can actually see the world clearly. |
2013-04-25T08:55:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/22/why-havent-mens-rights-activists-turned-on-paul-elam-for-falsely-accusing-arianna-pattek-of-civil-rights-violations/comment-page-4/#comment-291104 |
Chuck, how many hate campaigns has Elam launched against women? Lots. How many has he launched against men? Very few. What is the name of his phony "bigot" registry? Register-him? No, it's register-her. Are all the women he's "registered" as bigots feminists? No, they are not. |
2013-04-25T08:52:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/22/why-havent-mens-rights-activists-turned-on-paul-elam-for-falsely-accusing-arianna-pattek-of-civil-rights-violations/comment-page-4/#comment-291101 |
Chuck, Elam clearly likes launching hate campaigns against women. Indeed, in the past he's said that "fucking [feminist's] shit up" literally gives him an erection. In this case he launched a hate campaign against a real woman based on "evidence" so flimsy that it falls apart as soon as you actually read it. Elam seems to have been in such a hurry to launch his little hate campaign clear that he didn't even bother read the "evidence" he posted on his own site: Either that or he's got such problems with reading comprehension he should probably give up writing altogether. I ndeed, Elam was so sloppy that he not only missed giant discrepencies between the blog and the real person (the blogger claims to have just gotten a doctorate, the real person jsut got a bachelors), but his post isn't even consistent with itself -- if she just got a masters' degree (as he bizarrely claimed) then why was she still a grad student (as he also bizarrely claimed). When people first began pointing out that he was obviously wrong, he mocked them. And I thin he only relented only when he finally realized that not fessing up was going to come back to bite him in the end. He's lied about plenty of stuff in the past; this is the first time I've ever seen him admit it. That's why I speculated that perhaps a lawyer was involved in some way. I would say that Elam's recklessness, combined with the vindictiveness he regularly shows towards feminists and many other women, makes Elam as bad a false accuser than the stereotypical women who falsely accuses a man out of spite. Indeed, Elam seems to do almost *everything* out of spite. |
2013-04-25T07:02:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/22/why-havent-mens-rights-activists-turned-on-paul-elam-for-falsely-accusing-arianna-pattek-of-civil-rights-violations/comment-page-4/#comment-291080 |
To be fair, Carrot Top, however odd-looking he is now, is quite buff. | 2013-04-25T00:24:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/24/saruman-vs-the-shtlords/comment-page-1/#comment-290976 |
Mark, you're writing on my blog more than I'm writing on my blog. | 2013-04-24T23:59:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/24/saruman-vs-the-shtlords/comment-page-1/#comment-290957 |
Chloe is banned for sockpuppeting. IP traces to the same place as Laight Tempest's. | 2013-04-24T20:26:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-23/#comment-290655 |
Turns out you were right all along, manboobz -- GOTCHA!!!!!!! | 2013-04-22T23:53:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/22/why-havent-mens-rights-activists-turned-on-paul-elam-for-falsely-accusing-arianna-pattek-of-civil-rights-violations/comment-page-2/#comment-289901 |
Also, also, he posted something that basically says "yeah, Paul Elam got everything wrong in that post of his that you called out and that for several days he adamantly insisted was correct but now he admits he was wrong -- GOTCHA MANBOOBZ!!!!!" | 2013-04-22T23:51:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/22/why-havent-mens-rights-activists-turned-on-paul-elam-for-falsely-accusing-arianna-pattek-of-civil-rights-violations/comment-page-2/#comment-289900 |
I just let through a comment from Greg Canning that shows pretty clearly that he didn't even bother to read the headline of this post all the way through before commenting. | 2013-04-22T23:23:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/22/why-havent-mens-rights-activists-turned-on-paul-elam-for-falsely-accusing-arianna-pattek-of-civil-rights-violations/comment-page-2/#comment-289895 |
This is supposedly the post that got everything rolling on 4chan -- you'll notice the timestamp puts it on the 17th, which is earlier than anyone else's posts on the subject. The only trouble is that I don't know if this screenshot is for real, which is why I haven't put it in a post. http://i.imgur.com/V95ktJl.png |
2013-04-22T20:25:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/22/why-havent-mens-rights-activists-turned-on-paul-elam-for-falsely-accusing-arianna-pattek-of-civil-rights-violations/comment-page-1/#comment-289823 |
Neuroticbeagle, I think it was 4chan that got the ball rolling, but that you're more or less right about the rest of it. I don't think all the white supremacists realized it was fake, though. As for Elam's retraction, no, that wasn't a candid, heartfelt apology, but that was as candid and heartfelt an apology as we're ever likely to get from Elam about anything. I updated my post to reflect it. |
2013-04-22T20:22:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/22/why-havent-mens-rights-activists-turned-on-paul-elam-for-falsely-accusing-arianna-pattek-of-civil-rights-violations/comment-page-1/#comment-289819 |
I haven't yet caught up w/ this thread, but I got a couple of emails on Prester John, and I've banned him. He was an obvious troll, which does not necessarily mean banning; there was no evidence he was a sockpuppet of anyone (though he may well have been); but that comment about rape being part of God's plan was over the line. | 2013-04-22T16:45:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/21/a-voice-for-men-attacks-a-male-activist-with-a-rape-joke-reference/comment-page-3/#comment-289679 |
You're right, I should pay more attention to Donovan, and the alt right wing of the manosphere generally. | 2013-04-22T00:51:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/21/lazy-libel-2-georgetown-prof-debunks-the-alleged-arianna-pattek-conspiracy-and-more-on-stormfront/comment-page-2/#comment-289424 |
It's certainly possible Hembling doesn't know what it means. But then I wonder what he DOES think it means. In the barrel of a cannon to be shot? In a barrel about to go over Niagra falls? I can't think of any variation that doesn't involve something horrible happening to the person in the barrel. | 2013-04-21T22:40:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/21/a-voice-for-men-attacks-a-male-activist-with-a-rape-joke-reference/comment-page-1/#comment-289365 |
Cloudiah, thanks for doing that search. So the blog is clearly a hoax. I'll update the post accordingly. | 2013-04-21T20:54:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/21/lazy-libel-2-georgetown-prof-debunks-the-alleged-arianna-pattek-conspiracy-and-more-on-stormfront/comment-page-1/#comment-289283 |
The cards are generated randomly from a list of terms, and feminazi is on the list -- try clicking the links in the text a couple times and I'm sure it'll show up. | 2013-04-21T17:31:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/12/mra-bingo-is-here/comment-page-2/#comment-289224 |
You realize youtube isn’t “MRA” right? It’s any random person… it’s not any specific group.Ah, but take a look: http://manboobz.com/2013/04/17/so-who-exactly-has-been-harassing-that-red-haired-canadian-feminist-a-not-quite-scientific-survey/ |
2013-04-21T03:48:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-21/#comment-289072 |
Ah, our old friend scarecrow has some interesting thoughts on this whole thing:
Yes, I am getting reports that this whole thing is fake. There is no evidence linking her to that blog. It might be a set up to get Libel lawsuits against several MRA sites.http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ckvgo/woman_who_works_at_college_admissions_rejects/c9ijppc |
2013-04-20T20:35:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-5/#comment-288960 |
Some excellent trolls here too: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/70170065?strkid=511969831_0_0&trkid=222336&movieid=70170065 (Seriously, this is an awesome movie.) |
2013-04-19T22:20:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-4/#comment-288767 |
Yeah, I was just having a nice little fantasy. In the meantime, a really weird development in the Boston bombing case: http://media-cache-ak1.pinimg.com/736x/0e/81/c6/0e81c6a668b1b15143e0077d8748a7e3.jpg |
2013-04-19T20:25:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-3/#comment-288726 |
It would be awesome if Georgetown lawyers took her case and sued the hell out of all the MRAs that are spewing lies about her. | 2013-04-19T20:04:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-3/#comment-288719 |
The newest comment on AVFM mocks her for teaching young children in Kenya. | 2013-04-19T20:03:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-3/#comment-288716 |
Off topic, but either the authorities have the bombing suspect surrounded in Watertown, or some drunk college student who fell asleep in someone's boat in a backyard is waking up to a big, big surprise. | 2013-04-19T19:10:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-3/#comment-288698 |
It's official: Paul Elam is more blinded by hate than David Duke. Check out my second update to this post. |
2013-04-19T18:20:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-3/#comment-288688 |
Marie, go to the dentist! I don't have insurance, and so tend to wait until there's an emergency. The last two times I went it was because, er, giant chunks of tooth broke off in my mouth. I have resolved to do better, but haven't been back since my last emergency. |
2013-04-19T16:47:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-2/#comment-288648 |
Post updated w/ Cloudiah's info. BlackBloc, you've got a point. But to give the press a tiny teensy bit of credit, at least they's not STILL insisting that a "dark-skinned male," or those two guys put on the cover of the NY Post the other day, are the real suspects. Elam's been presented with clear evidence that he's full of shit, and all he does is spin. |
2013-04-19T16:35:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-2/#comment-288644 |
pecunium, I think you've got a point there. Maybe I'll just extend his 24-hour ban into 24 million years. | 2013-04-19T09:12:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/18/a-12-step-program-to-help-a-voice-for-men-cure-its-addiction-to-hate/comment-page-4/#comment-288484 |
LeShiggedyDiggedy, The good news is that she's out of the country; they have no way of finding her. They want her to get fired from her jobs in admissions, but they can't do that because she doesn't actually have a job in admissions. If this gets bigger presumably Georgetown will respond and point out that it's all bullshit. And if necessary I imagine Pattek's former professors will stand up for her. |
2013-04-19T09:07:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-288483 |
Some non-AVFMer in the thread there brought up the issue of libel, and Elam said that they'd have to prove malice, and gosh he had no malice towards this woman. Aside from that being, you know, hilairous, I think the malice bit only applies to public figures. |
2013-04-19T08:46:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/19/lazy-libel-a-voice-for-men-doxes-an-alleged-misandrist-blogger-and-ids-the-wrong-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-288477 |
Glancing at the links on that r/mr doxing kerfuffle, I see that a lot of the comments have been deleted. Good thing when I first saw this start to develop I made sure to take some screencaps. Aw yeah. |
2013-04-18T23:27:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/18/a-12-step-program-to-help-a-voice-for-men-cure-its-addiction-to-hate/comment-page-4/#comment-288397 |
clintiskkeen, I don't really need an angry doofus around here pretending that redhead somehow committed a felony and committed harassment by attending a demonstration. If you wanted to argue that the demonstration was a bad idea, and that people being noisy in the hall when the talk was going on was rude or bad or even a violation of the rights of the people there to hear the talk, you could have made that argument w/o heaping blame on the one person here who's getting threats. There were others at that demonstration. Someone other than her pulled the fire alarm. So I'm giving you a 24-hour-or-so time-out, and you'll be on moderation after that. |
2013-04-18T15:12:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/17/so-who-exactly-has-been-harassing-that-red-haired-canadian-feminist-a-not-quite-scientific-survey/comment-page-7/#comment-288205 |
(I was referring to Deezers' possible million-dollar "fuckmuffin" idea.) | 2013-04-18T11:08:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/18/a-12-step-program-to-help-a-voice-for-men-cure-its-addiction-to-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-288017 |
Deezers, no, but you should patent that right away. I'm sure there would be at least a niche market for it. | 2013-04-18T11:07:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/18/a-12-step-program-to-help-a-voice-for-men-cure-its-addiction-to-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-288016 |
Revealing comments from Mark!
As one comment said “No one half my size will make me bow down to her”.And: They are not going to told to “shut the fuck up”.Well, actually, they will be. If you say things that some other people don't like, people are going to tell you to shut up. A Voice for Men is constantly telling feminists to shut up, and threatening them when they don't. Heck, your whole comment here is a long-winded "shut the fuck up" directed at me and the commenters here. The difference is that I'm not going to send you 500 threatening messages or post your personal information on the internet just because you, in effect, told me to shut up. I let you say your piece, despite the fact that it was a bit threatening in tone, and then I said my piece right back. The way discussion generally works. |
2013-04-18T09:24:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/17/so-who-exactly-has-been-harassing-that-red-haired-canadian-feminist-a-not-quite-scientific-survey/comment-page-5/#comment-287973 |
And, woah, MRAL sneaks on board again by posting an innocent sounding comment to get me to approve him as a commenter. And posts from two IPs, one of them in Boston and the other in Dallas. Dude, if you want to convince us that you're not sneaking on here using fake ips, you should probably not use fake IPs to get on here to complain about it. |
2013-04-18T09:15:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/17/so-who-exactly-has-been-harassing-that-red-haired-canadian-feminist-a-not-quite-scientific-survey/comment-page-5/#comment-287966 |
I just let through a comment from Dan Perrins. Let's just say he has an extremely inflated sense of his own importance. | 2013-04-18T06:16:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/17/so-who-exactly-has-been-harassing-that-red-haired-canadian-feminist-a-not-quite-scientific-survey/comment-page-5/#comment-287935 |
Also, I'm pretty sure a significant percentage of SRSers are in fact straight white men. | 2013-04-17T09:57:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-19/#comment-287503 |
Also, in case anyone is wondering, this thread has made it into the top ten longest threads in MB history. (It's #8.) | 2013-04-17T09:27:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-19/#comment-287498 |
I'm several hundred comments behind in reading this thread, and I'm about to go to bed (yes I have a weird schedule), so if anyone here is acting bannably awful send me an email right quick. | 2013-04-17T09:25:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-19/#comment-287496 |
Hey, Kirbywarp, good to see ya! Also, is anyone up for a little slightly tedious, but possibly intermittently amusing, research project? For, like, the next hour or so? It will require nothing more complicated than a little bit of googling. Email me at my last name at well.com if you're interested. |
2013-04-17T01:53:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-19/#comment-287404 |
I've banned nopestories and deleted their transphobic and trolling comments. Which is to say al of those posted today. Sorry I wasn't around to ban them earlier. I haven't yet caught up with the comments on this thread today. If there's anyone else that needs a quick ban or moderation, please drop me an email. (my last name at well.com) |
2013-04-16T16:03:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-10/#comment-286742 |
I passed along the supportive messages some of you sent me for the red-haired activist, and she wanted me to pass this message along to you:
Thank you so much for the support. The more support I hear, the more fearless of these MRA's I become. I want to expose these assholes. I want the world to see what they're really about, if not for me, then for anyone else they might attack in the future. They picked the wrong person to fuck with by choosing me, cuz this fiery redhead is having none of their shit. They don't like the way I do things? They can have a guess at how many fucks I give. Hint: zero. These fuckers will have their day in the court of public opinion, and possibly real court should anyone else choose to come forward. Thanks everyone!!! |
2013-04-15T22:55:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-7/#comment-286423 |
Doug, there's a link to her dating profiles *still up* on the AVFM forum. If you, as a commenter on those forums, are embarassed by this I suggest you take it up with the mods there. I would do it myself but I'm not a registered member of the AVFM forums, for obvious reasons. I whited out all references to her name and other identifying info on the images I posted. (I missed a couple of iterations of her name on one image, but have rectified that.) There is no question that MRAs have doxxed her, as that image you're complaining about came from an MR forum. AVFM may not be doxxing her openly on its main site, but it helped to unleash all this by demonizing her in the first place. And your comments here are not exactly doing your side of the debate any favors. |
2013-04-15T21:42:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-6/#comment-286403 |
So Doug, you're basically saying that if a feminist shows up at an event where there are MRAs and cameras, she should expect death threats? I don't know how much real-world activism you've ever engaged in, but getting hundreds of death threats is NOT a normal or regular thing for activists. |
2013-04-15T20:47:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-6/#comment-286351 |
Doug, I've removed a couple of links that would allow people to find her info. One of those links was to the AVFM forum, BTW. Other than that I have whited-out all identifying info, except her image. Everyone who watches the video knows what she looks like. |
2013-04-15T20:42:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-6/#comment-286343 |
Glad to hear that Boston-area Manboobzers and their relatives are ok (and so are the Boston-area Futrelles). But what an awful thing. Thanks to those who emailed me with statements of support for the red-haired activist; I'm sending them along to her. Also, I'm putting sexymaster on moderation for being an ass. |
2013-04-15T20:39:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-6/#comment-286338 |
If anyone wants to send her messages of support, email them to me and I'll send them along to her. | 2013-04-15T11:02:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-285925 |
Bagryanova, you sound like a great feminist. By which I mean a terrible feminist and probably not actually a feminist at all. You know, even if you disagree with her, or dislike her behavior, or whatever, you really think that the proper response when a woman gets hundreds of threatening and harassing messages is to call her a "priviledged b-word." Did you even read the post? |
2013-04-15T10:49:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-285912 |
The youtube comments I screenshotted are probably about a tenth of al the harassing comments she's gotten there. | 2013-04-15T10:41:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-285905 |
Sivi, no, that's not him. AVFM's Dan Perrins has a giant grey beard. blitzgal, this sort of stuff is indeed a kind of terrorism, in that they are trying to use fear to get people to shut up. It's striking, and very reveaing, that they only do this on this scale to women. I write about MRAs every damn day, and have been for 3 years, and I've gotten some intermittent harassment. This woman gets filmed at one protest and gets literally hundreds of harassing and threatening emails, gets doxxed, and gets all this shit on youtube (and it keeps coming, every day). |
2013-04-15T10:39:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-285903 |
Speaking of Erin Pizzey, I just did a post on her AMA: http://manboobz.com/2013/04/14/antifeminist-crusader-erin-pizzey-bravely-tells-redditors-that-never-in-the-history-of-the-world-have-men-been-so-unprivileged-if-you-think-about-it/ |
2013-04-14T18:51:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/13/toilet-soap-how-evil-women-trick-men-into-thinking-theyre-not-old-hags/comment-page-3/#comment-285531 |
Maybe it's not Pell. Could be Mr. Al, reading up on catharism in order to troll seems like a very Mr. Alish thing to do. | 2013-04-14T02:59:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/04/pompous-misogyny-on-parade-part-eleventy-million-billion/comment-page-11/#comment-285311 |
Also, Raymond, if you did indeed write a chunk of that wikipedia entry on Catharism (instead of just using it for trolling), you did an awful job. It's completely muddled, and doesn't clearly explain the main beliefs of the sect. | 2013-04-13T22:32:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/04/pompous-misogyny-on-parade-part-eleventy-million-billion/comment-page-11/#comment-285238 |
I'm going to go ahead and ban Raymond here for trolling and suspicion of sockpuppetry. | 2013-04-13T22:16:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/04/pompous-misogyny-on-parade-part-eleventy-million-billion/comment-page-11/#comment-285223 |
I did send it along. She's talked to the police. | 2013-04-13T21:52:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/13/toilet-soap-how-evil-women-trick-men-into-thinking-theyre-not-old-hags/comment-page-1/#comment-285195 |
I see Pecunium posted the link earlier in another thread. So thanks Pecunium as well! | 2013-04-13T21:36:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/13/toilet-soap-how-evil-women-trick-men-into-thinking-theyre-not-old-hags/comment-page-1/#comment-285176 |
thebewilderness, thanks for that link! Seriously, everyone, read this for an amazing account of some real-life academic sockpuppetry/trolling/.hoaxing: http://www.the-tls.co.uk/tls/public/article1243205.ece Unless, of course, Eric Naiman is making it all up. Slate has a shorter take on it: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/04/11/dickens_dostoevsky_meeting_never_happened_fake_letter_hoax_explained.html |
2013-04-13T21:14:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/13/toilet-soap-how-evil-women-trick-men-into-thinking-theyre-not-old-hags/comment-page-1/#comment-285151 |
Oh, and Raymond's IP doesn't match or resemble any previous troll, though I'm thinking he's got to be one. Possibly Pell? | 2013-04-13T20:00:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/04/pompous-misogyny-on-parade-part-eleventy-million-billion/comment-page-11/#comment-285104 |
I'm trying to fiigure out why Raymond here is so offended by all the cat pics I post here, as the love of kitties is untainted by evil eros. Of course, I do eat cats from time to time. With bavarian cream pie for desert. While having PIV sex (not with cats). |
2013-04-13T19:56:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/04/pompous-misogyny-on-parade-part-eleventy-million-billion/comment-page-10/#comment-285098 |
Hey, gals, what's a good Esther Ralston movie to check out? I'm not familiar with her ouvre. Is she some sort of lady-only actress that only ladies know about? | 2013-04-13T19:48:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/13/toilet-soap-how-evil-women-trick-men-into-thinking-theyre-not-old-hags/comment-page-1/#comment-285082 |
Wishful thinkerz is scrapemind, BTW. | 2013-04-13T19:31:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/12/women-arent-the-mysterious-creatures-that-nice-guys-tm-and-predators-like-to-pretend-that-they-are/comment-page-4/#comment-285065 |
Not only that but I see that Pervocracy included a statement that is the equivalent of a blinking sarcasm gif at the end of the piece! | 2013-04-13T17:52:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/08/an-unsolicited-update-from-paul-elams-pnis/comment-page-10/#comment-284976 |
Manosphere dudes can be extremely literal minded, completely unable to comprehend that even the most obvious sarcasm is sarcasm. Or at least they like to pretend that they can't; I'm never quite sure. Hence that blinking sarcasm gif I use on some of my posts. AFC, did you honestly believe that the bit about the orgasms was meant seriously? |
2013-04-13T17:51:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/08/an-unsolicited-update-from-paul-elams-pnis/comment-page-10/#comment-284974 |
Fade, I don't have a source handy either, but I'm pretty sure you're right about this -- it's male judges who are more likely to be lenient towards women. I think there may have been some discussion of all this on Alas, a blog? |
2013-04-12T17:24:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/08/an-unsolicited-update-from-paul-elams-pnis/comment-page-9/#comment-284608 |
To whoever is asking whether the MRAs/MGTOWers who believe this fairy tale realize that if they were to, say, marry a woman in her early-20s "prime" that she would age like everyone else, here's what they ACTUALLY BELIEVE about this: 1) the woman they marry would age less fast because in their mind female aging is literally caused by contact with different male penises. In other words, if a woman has sex with multiple guys they think she will age faster than a woman who has the same amount of sex with one guy. No, they really think this. 2) that said, they recognize that there will be some aging, but that this is sort of ok because at least they were able to have sex with her in her "prime." Some MRA types get angry at any woman past her "prime" who is actually willing to date them -- simply because she gave her "prime" to other men. |
2013-04-12T17:20:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/11/the-slut-who-got-ugly-and-sad-the-manospheres-favorite-fairy-tale/comment-page-4/#comment-284605 |
Laight is indeed Raven. Sockpuppeting is a no-no. |
2013-04-11T21:43:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/08/an-unsolicited-update-from-paul-elams-pnis/comment-page-9/#comment-284310 |
Eli, so sorry you had to deal with that shit! | 2013-04-10T17:39:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/10/angry-gamer-dude-men-need-to-look-at-sexy-babes-in-video-games-because-real-world-women-are-fat-fatties/comment-page-2/#comment-283900 |
Offtopic: I've been contacted by a woman who's been getting harassed by MRAs; if you're interested in possbly offering her some support, email me and I can give you more info. My email is just my last name at well.com. | 2013-04-10T17:02:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/10/angry-gamer-dude-men-need-to-look-at-sexy-babes-in-video-games-because-real-world-women-are-fat-fatties/comment-page-2/#comment-283880 |
More good news: http://sportballsreplacedwithcats.tumblr.com |
2013-04-10T16:09:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/10/angry-gamer-dude-men-need-to-look-at-sexy-babes-in-video-games-because-real-world-women-are-fat-fatties/comment-page-1/#comment-283860 |
I think the Lysol douche ads would have been a bit before her time. I think they're all late 1940s, early 1950s. | 2013-04-10T03:07:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/09/all-about-the-menz-douchey-vintage-douche-ads-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-283723 |
I was thinking of including the Mornidine ad too, but I didn't have an image of it that was big enough so you could read the print. But I searched a bit more and found one, so I'll add it to the post. | 2013-04-09T22:09:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/09/all-about-the-menz-douchey-vintage-douche-ads-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-283706 |
Oh, ok it also turns out that the guy who played Dustin Hoffman's dad was only ten years older than him. But six is less than ten! | 2013-04-09T00:19:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/08/an-unsolicited-update-from-paul-elams-pnis/comment-page-4/#comment-283223 |
On the "Mrs. Robinson" example that came up earlier, an interesting fact that suggests a lot about how Hollywood treats actors and actresses of various ages: Dustin Hoffman is only 6 years younger than Anne Bancroft. | 2013-04-09T00:17:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/08/an-unsolicited-update-from-paul-elams-pnis/comment-page-4/#comment-283222 |
Christian, posting here is fine. There are some commenters here that know a great deal about anthropology, so maybe one of them will have some suggestions. You could also try posting in the man boobz forum, though it hasn't been all that active lately. | 2013-04-08T15:15:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/comments-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-282793 |
Graham, I was going to say something about that. Even that famous J Lo dress had a neckline that went only to her waist. A floor-length garment that's buttoned at the toes seems highly impractical. I think it would probably cause the wearer to trip a lot. | 2013-04-08T14:43:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/08/an-unsolicited-update-from-paul-elams-pnis/comment-page-2/#comment-282768 |
I suspect that any MRA reading this will conclude that we're attacking Elam for having (straight) male sexuality. But that's not what's going on. He likes women's bodies, or at elast the bodies of some women? Not exactly a revelation -- generally speaking, straight men with conventional tastes tend to like women's bodies, or at least the bodies of some women.That's kind of how it works. What's creepy about Elam's "appreciation" of female bodies is not only his need to annouce it to the world in a non-sexual context (most men don't walk up to people and announce "I like boobies" even if they do) but the way in which his "appreciation" gets cringingly explicit and sexually objectifying -- he doesn't say "I'm a leg man," he talks about thighs leading up to the "promise land." (PROTIP: Referring to the vagina as the "promise land" in public, or really, at all: eww.) And then the bit about blow-job lips. I'm pretty sure that if a 56-year-old woman wrote a similar piece in which she announced how much she liked men's "vagina-eating mouths" or talked about men's legs as a conduit to the "promise land" in his pants, the AVFM-ers would be up in arms. |
2013-04-08T14:39:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/08/an-unsolicited-update-from-paul-elams-pnis/comment-page-2/#comment-282765 |
I was feeling lazy today, so I turned Mark's comment into a post! http://manboobz.com/2013/04/05/proud-woman-hater-declares-war-on-the-dictionary/ |
2013-04-05T15:44:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/04/pompous-misogyny-on-parade-part-eleventy-million-billion/comment-page-5/#comment-281827 |
mi·sog·y·nist (m-sj-nst) n. One who hates women. |
2013-04-05T14:39:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/04/pompous-misogyny-on-parade-part-eleventy-million-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-281785 |
Also, D, big thanks! | 2013-04-05T14:32:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/02/reno-calls-a-domestic-violence-hotline-the-mra-reality-distortion-field-in-action/comment-page-15/#comment-281777 |
A new commenter called D has prepared a transcript of the call; it seems to be pretty accurate, and I've added it to the post. | 2013-04-05T14:30:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/02/reno-calls-a-domestic-violence-hotline-the-mra-reality-distortion-field-in-action/comment-page-15/#comment-281775 |
AJ, I'm sending some virtual chicken soup your way as well. And thanks, everyone, for the hugs, et al. I don't mean to exaggerate the effect of this phone call on me; it was a bit disconcerting at the time, but now it's become sort of a running joke with me and a friend of mine. MRAs have certainly said much worse things about and/or to me. But, to be honest, the amount of harassment I've gotten has been orders of magnitude less than the shit directed at women like Rebecca Watson, Anita Sarkeesian, Adria Richards, etc etc. I mainly wrote about the call because I was annoyed at Elam's ridiculous hypocrisy. |
2013-04-04T03:41:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/03/the-creepy-voicemail-message-i-got-from-a-voice-for-mens-most-active-activist-karma-mra-mgtow/comment-page-2/#comment-281137 |
I'm pretty sure Observant is a returning troll, not sure who. The IP doesn't match anyone but I have other reasons to be suspucious. | 2013-04-03T22:42:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/03/the-creepy-voicemail-message-i-got-from-a-voice-for-mens-most-active-activist-karma-mra-mgtow/comment-page-2/#comment-281093 |
emilygoddess, yeah, the content of the message wasn't as bad as a lot of other shit I've gotten from MRAs; the concerning thing was that it was a phone call at 1:30 AM. That's crossing a boundary. | 2013-04-03T12:05:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/03/the-creepy-voicemail-message-i-got-from-a-voice-for-mens-most-active-activist-karma-mra-mgtow/comment-page-1/#comment-280611 |
Just to make it clear to everyone, I let through that one last comment from Jaro, his "explanation" for his behavior. But no more; he's permabanned. | 2013-04-03T11:07:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/25/manosphere-misogynists-perpetually-angry-that-women-can-say-no/comment-page-17/#comment-280590 |
I realize that I missed my chance to assist hellkell in her dinner choice, but I would nevertheless like to put in a good word for grilled cheese sandwiches. My George Foreman grill is basically a dedicated grilled cheese sandwich maker. But eggs are fine too. |
2013-04-02T21:28:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/02/reno-calls-a-domestic-violence-hotline-the-mra-reality-distortion-field-in-action/comment-page-4/#comment-280393 |
Ok, I'll answer some of the other questions. Cloudiah, your hair looks fine; I would rather have hands for feet and, indeed, I have been trying for some time to evolve thumbs on my current feet; everyone should take showers today, unless they can groom themselves like a cat. Viscaria, your question about your outfit is a bit more complicated, but here's my general rule: Look in the mirror, and if your outfit looks less bizarre than whatever Helena Bonham Carter wore to the last red carpet event she went to, you're probably fine. If anyone looks at you askance anyway, just sternly say the words "Helena Bonham Carter" to them and they will back off. (Just don't say her name three times in front of a mirror; you don't want to know what happens then.) |
2013-04-02T15:43:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/02/reno-calls-a-domestic-violence-hotline-the-mra-reality-distortion-field-in-action/comment-page-2/#comment-280176 |
zzzero, I was unaware that there were any "militant" actions planned until I saw your comment, and after looking at the statements from the people referred to in the AVFM post on the subject, I'm still not sure what if any "militant" actions are planned. As I've said several times before, I didn't suppport the blockade of the building during the Farrell talk; I think that it was incredibly counterproductive as well as being wrong in principle. If "militant" means another blockade,I think that's a very bad idea. If "militant" means showing up in numbers to challenge MRA bullshit, I'm all for it. The only people talking about "physical confrontation" now are a small group of Maosts. Hopefully the organizers of whatever protest is planned will completely ignore whatever suggestions they have. But, you know, as someone who is not a student at the University of Toronto, and who lives 700 miles away and in another country to boot, I don't actually have any say in what the activists there choose to do. |
2013-04-02T15:25:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/02/reno-calls-a-domestic-violence-hotline-the-mra-reality-distortion-field-in-action/comment-page-2/#comment-280157 |
I haven't caught up with the comments here yet, but, neuroticbeagle, if we're meowbifying websites, nothing beats this: http://cat.www.avoiceformen.com.meowbify.com/ |
2013-04-02T10:44:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/31/easter-on-the-spearhead-i-hope-that-our-own-errant-women-can-follow-mary-magdalenes-example/comment-page-6/#comment-279998 |
Cloudian, to be fair, I wrote about something he wrote a while ago. He does seem to have misspelled my name though. It's FAUXtrelle, not FOOLtrelle. |
2013-04-01T00:52:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/13/how-many-breaths-does-it-take-you-to-destroy-the-feminsit-monster/comment-page-5/#comment-279424 |
I put Jaro on moderation. He can continue his pseudo-philosophical wankery about rape elsewhere, if anyone else on the internet can put up with him. | 2013-03-31T22:38:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/25/manosphere-misogynists-perpetually-angry-that-women-can-say-no/comment-page-15/#comment-279353 |
Starskita, I found the pic on pinterest, and whoever posted it there got it from my-retrospace.blogspot.com. I'm not sure what the original source was. | 2013-03-28T18:22:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/28/sexism-in-tech-not-a-problem-because-of-coal-mining-redditor-suggests/comment-page-1/#comment-278116 |
Oh, lowquacks, that's really rough. I think you're doing the right thing, give him lots of attention and love and enjoy the time you have left. He'll be much happier spending his remaining time with you instead of being shuttled in and out of the vet. | 2013-03-26T04:47:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/25/mens-rights-redditor-women-are-like-parasites/comment-page-2/#comment-277087 |
Oh, lowquacks, I hope your kitty is ok! Your mum too! | 2013-03-24T05:48:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/23/mens-rights-redditors-team-with-pua-douchebag-roosh-v-to-raise-money-for-alleged-victims-of-feminism/comment-page-2/#comment-275469 |
The Adria Richards thing is appalling; I'm working on a post about it. shigekuni, thanks for the heads up on the Feministe comments. |
2013-03-22T13:31:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/22/his-sisters-keeper-allegedly-loving-brother-tries-to-mansplain-his-sisters-feminism-away/comment-page-1/#comment-274478 |
Hank's not a sock, has posted intermittently here for more than a year, actually. FWIW, I don't think Godley is a sadist/masochist in the kinky sense. If he is, he's doing it very, very wrong. Also FWIW, camera woman (I've watched this one several times) was taking the letter pictures for a photography class. |
2013-03-21T19:14:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/21/george-godley-terrible-pickup-artist-worse-human-being/comment-page-3/#comment-273946 |
Yeah, he includes shots of himself in a lot of his videos, though by no means all. The picture of him at the top of the post is a screencap from one of his videos. | 2013-03-21T14:11:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/21/george-godley-terrible-pickup-artist-worse-human-being/comment-page-1/#comment-273741 |
I'm pretty much 100% sure he knows he's creepy -- or at least that people think he's creepy -- and that there is a real element of masochism here. But he's not going to come out and admit it. I think his reactions to critical commenters are attempts to shore up his wounded ego, and perhaps to try to convince himself that at least some of these women are into him. And while I'm sure he knows he's creepy he's not fully aware of just *how* creepy he is. I think that like a lot of the guys complaining about being "creepshamed" he believes that women are *wrong* to think he's creepy, though. And he certainly doesn't give a shit that he's making women feel violated and unsafe. |
2013-03-21T12:26:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/21/george-godley-terrible-pickup-artist-worse-human-being/comment-page-1/#comment-273698 |
I understand those who don't want to watch the videos -- that's partly why I wrote such detailed descriptions of them. I'm sort of stunned Godley hasn't come to the attention of police or at least of local businesses -- like the one he barges into to film that "fail" video.He definitely returns to the same locations over and over, and perhaps the locals can do something about him or at least warn women about him? I've contacted a few London journalists/bloggers who write about feminist issues to let them know about him. The number of views he gets for his vidoes is a bit alarming -- though it should be noted that a lot of his videos aren't "flirt" videos and that most of his videos don't get many views. (The flipside of that is that he makes so many of them.) Most of the ones I've looked at have gotten overwhelmingly negative responses from people. |
2013-03-21T12:14:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/21/george-godley-terrible-pickup-artist-worse-human-being/comment-page-1/#comment-273691 |
there | 2013-03-21T07:25:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/19/how-to-hate-and-envy-every-single-person-in-the-world-puahate-edition/comment-page-17/#comment-273583 |
Almost | 2013-03-21T07:25:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/19/how-to-hate-and-envy-every-single-person-in-the-world-puahate-edition/comment-page-17/#comment-273582 |
Actually, there's no question it will. It's only a few comments away from the #10 spot. | 2013-03-21T07:25:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/19/how-to-hate-and-envy-every-single-person-in-the-world-puahate-edition/comment-page-17/#comment-273581 |
The longest threads here: http://manboobz.com/2011/11/27/women-oppress-men-by-playing-at-having-a-career/ http://manboobz.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/ http://manboobz.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/ Right now, this current thread is at #11, with a bullet. It's probably going to end up in the top ten. |
2013-03-21T07:21:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/19/how-to-hate-and-envy-every-single-person-in-the-world-puahate-edition/comment-page-17/#comment-273580 |
Yoyo, I too missed the original post but that's great news! Kitteh, sorry I couldn't find what you were looking for. I'm happy to do keyword searches of the comments for anyone who needs them, though it sounds like a site-specific google search works just as well. Jones, the Bash the Scene part of PUAhate is a lot less fun than shitty advice, but obviously there is misogyny galore there, and I'll give it a bit more attention. I was actually looking at it earlier tonight, but I ended up getting distracted by a shitty PUA they were talking about. Post on that coming later today! |
2013-03-21T06:49:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/19/how-to-hate-and-envy-every-single-person-in-the-world-puahate-edition/comment-page-17/#comment-273577 |
kittehs, isthis it? http://manboobz.com/2012/06/20/return-of-the-sexy-robot-ladies-part-two-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-2/#comment-165147 (I can do keyword searches, so I did one for "necrophilia.") |
2013-03-21T03:07:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/19/how-to-hate-and-envy-every-single-person-in-the-world-puahate-edition/comment-page-17/#comment-273551 |
Oh my lord, I've just caught up with all the comments. And don't really have anything to add that hasn't already been said eloquently by someone else already. Except that, having finally read "his" comments I am aware that "Ross" is not the real Ross Jeffries. The person behind that account is banned from posting under that name. No impersonation! Even if you don't expect people to think you're really the person you're jokingly impersonating. |
2013-03-20T23:44:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/19/how-to-hate-and-envy-every-single-person-in-the-world-puahate-edition/comment-page-17/#comment-273517 |
Woah. So I haven't yet caught up with the comments here, but here are a couple of things: 1) LooksLaw was indeed a sock of Virgil, so he's banned again. 2) I have no way of knowing if "Ross Jeffries" is in fact the real Ross Jeffries (the speed seduction guy), so, Ross, I'm putting you on moderation until you verify that you are indeed who you say you are (with an email from the account you use on your website or whatever). I just want to make sure that you're not an imposter. 3) Someone else posted as Neil Strauss but I rather doubt it's actually Neil Strauss. |
2013-03-20T18:49:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/19/how-to-hate-and-envy-every-single-person-in-the-world-puahate-edition/comment-page-13/#comment-273251 |
congrats, emily! save those animals! | 2013-03-19T13:25:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/17/mra-we-shouldnt-tolerate-misogyny-in-the-mens-rights-movement-reddit-mens-rights-mods-hit-the-delete-button/comment-page-3/#comment-272137 |
in other news, two teen girls in Steubenville who posted threats against Jane Doe have been arrested. http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/03/18/police-probe-death-threats-against-steubenville-rape-victim/ I really hope there are many more arrests, including arrests of adults. The coach seems to have been involved in some sort of coverup -- and basically threatened a reporter asking him about the case -- and obviously other adults were involved in coverups and in intimidating those who wanted the rapists brought to justice. Not to mention that some of the pics floating around are said to reveal other possible victims. |
2013-03-18T19:37:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/18/today-in-rape-culture-more-steubenville-awfullness-on-twitter/comment-page-2/#comment-271781 |
I'm deleting all the rape apologist comments that have been posted here (by Paul and John Anderson). And ted, I'm also deleting your comments as well. I know you're not trying to troll or derail, but this just isn't the time or the place for this discussion. |
2013-03-18T19:31:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/18/today-in-rape-culture-more-steubenville-awfullness-on-twitter/comment-page-2/#comment-271771 |
kamilla1960, was that first video showing the invention of the mosh pit? AK, hope your knee gets better! |
2013-03-18T18:51:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/18/dance-dance-devolution-puas-in-the-club-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-271732 |
Diogenes, I'm really not in the mood for this shit, in this thread especially. You're on moderation now. | 2013-03-17T22:07:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/17/raw-story-on-the-top-5-rape-apologist-reactions-to-the-steubenville-verdicts/comment-page-1/#comment-271271 |
The charming Robert Lindsay has taken offense at some of the discussion here: http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/gender-feminist-kooks-attack-me-at-manboobz/ |
2013-03-17T18:24:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/10/the-search-for-a-slut-free-college/comment-page-5/#comment-270960 |
I think we've heard enough abusive crap from Virgil, esp. with the "fags" remark and the semen comment. I've banned him, | 2013-03-17T16:38:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/16/our-misandrist-future/comment-page-6/#comment-270899 |
Wally, I think you should take the advice Hellkell gave you:
Perhaps you should read more, talk less, and get a feel for the place.I'm going to put you on moderation until you can be a bit less creepy. |
2013-03-16T22:13:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/15/mra-lackwit-declares-sheryl-sandberg-an-arrogant-lindsay-lohan-look-a-like-who-promotes-sexism-bias-and-hate/comment-page-5/#comment-270459 |
ScoPi, you're right. I changed the link. | 2013-03-16T18:37:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/16/our-misandrist-future/comment-page-1/#comment-270275 |
Wally's pic was a sort of zombie baby doll. So not really comparable to the shit Zarat posted. I removed it anyway. Wally, this really isn't the best thread for jokes like that. Rein it in a bit or you're going on moderation. |
2013-03-15T19:06:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/14/the-nice-guy-who-raped-and-strangled-a-young-irish-woman/comment-page-4/#comment-269838 |
Glenn, don't post in this thread any more. You may post in other threads. | 2013-03-14T18:34:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/14/the-nice-guy-who-raped-and-strangled-a-young-irish-woman/comment-page-2/#comment-269331 |
I banned Poxy because I've been convinced beyond a reasonable doubt he's MRAL. Hey, cloudiah, would it be possible for you to send me a couple of the articles you mentioned upthread -- the "your a slut" one and the one about the troll in a feminist forum? |
2013-03-12T06:03:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/08/zerlina-maxwell-challenges-rape-culture-on-fox-news-receives-rape-threats-on-twitter/comment-page-9/#comment-268158 |
"Poxy" has been banned. As for the decline in crime, my take on this is that no one knows why crime declined. There is no definitive explanation, and it's not clear that different sorts of crime declined for the same reasons. Like Nerdypants, I'm going to go out on a giant limb and suggest that changing perceptions of rape, driven largely by feminism/rape awareness programs, etc, had something to do with it. And certainly a lot more to do with it than, say, the decline of the crack epidemic did. |
2013-03-12T03:05:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/08/zerlina-maxwell-challenges-rape-culture-on-fox-news-receives-rape-threats-on-twitter/comment-page-9/#comment-268123 |
Is the video working for you guys? | 2013-03-12T01:35:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/11/red-pillheads/comment-page-1/#comment-268104 |
Hey, Jones, welcome. Sorry to hear that these assholes were harassing you. The puahate.txt twitter is great, but it wasn't set up by anyone here (that is, by me or any of the regular commenters). |
2013-03-10T19:06:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/01/getting-their-puahate-on/comment-page-5/#comment-267066 |
Hey, Sid, I went ahead and approved you for the forum, so you should be good to go. | 2013-03-10T18:36:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/10/the-search-for-a-slut-free-college/comment-page-1/#comment-267050 |
Poxy, I went ahead and removed the emoticon from your comment. | 2013-03-10T18:01:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/08/zerlina-maxwell-challenges-rape-culture-on-fox-news-receives-rape-threats-on-twitter/comment-page-4/#comment-267039 |
@emilygoddess, I only just caught up wth this thread. So sorry for your loss; hope you'er ok. | 2013-03-08T19:06:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/23/should-men-be-allowed-to-vote/comment-page-5/#comment-266354 |
Freitag: It is depressing, and all too predictable. I just put up a post about it. | 2013-03-08T17:56:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/07/another-question-are-mras-inherently-misogynistic/comment-page-2/#comment-266321 |
Well, I thought about taking out the gendered slurs, but we discuss those terms here so often it seemed pointless. (I actually have removed the c-word from the filter.) | 2013-03-08T17:32:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/22/a-little-gender-experiment-confirms-that-reddit-is-full-of-douchebags/comment-page-4/#comment-266315 |
Thanks, everyone (except one of you) for your thoughts! Oh, and I'll go correct Stephanie Zvan's name. Oops. | 2013-03-06T01:26:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/05/a-kitten-and-a-question-are-mras-right-about-anything/comment-page-2/#comment-265487 |
Thanks everyone! And thanks for all the videos. augochlorella, I have seen a lot of oddball Bollywood videos but that one's odd even by Bollywood standards! As for movie recommendations, there's always the super-popular Hum Aapke Hain Koun. It's a kitschy wedding melodrama but the music is incredibly catchy and it's got dance numbers like these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3WqUeW8xE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofKleaVAloQ |
2013-03-05T06:47:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/04/im-taking-a-break-so-heres-a-fantastic-bollywood-dance-number/comment-page-1/#comment-265070 |
Whenever incels or other people like one banned commenter here start going on about how they're going to be celibate for life because they're "ugly" or have some small physical flaw I think of my brother's friend Josh, who was blinded and horribly disfigured after having acid thrown in his face when he was 4. Yet somehow he has mananged to have a good life. He's married, with kids, and works on projects to improve the lives of other blind people. I know I've mentioned him before, but today there's a New York Times article about him. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/nyregion/40-years-after-an-acid-attack-a-life-well-lived.html?hp&_r=1&&pagewanted=all |
2013-03-03T16:25:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/01/getting-their-puahate-on/comment-page-4/#comment-264651 |
Saying you "borrowed somone something" instead of "lent someone something" is suprisingly common. I'm not sure if it's a regional thing or what. I've definitely heard it before, though not in a long time. | 2013-03-01T15:36:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/01/getting-their-puahate-on/comment-page-1/#comment-263998 |
Damn, creative writing student, you stole my kitten move! | 2013-02-28T16:40:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/28/how-not-to-impress-the-ladies-on-okcupid/comment-page-1/#comment-263316 |
Congrats, Falconer and family! | 2013-02-28T00:23:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/26/shampoo-away-the-grey-with-just-for-mens-rights-activists/comment-page-2/#comment-263121 |
I don't know why the recent comments widget vanished, but I put it back in the sidebar and it should be there now. (It is for me.) | 2013-02-27T18:50:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/27/mras-on-love-and-marriage-there-is-nothing-wrong-with-wanting-something-beautiful-that-puts-out/comment-page-1/#comment-262986 |
Arks is Dragon. Dragon is Arks. Though he's been rather uninspired of late. Maybe we should have a contest to see if anyone can out-Arks Arks, you know, with weird logic and strangely poetic but mostly just strange new ways to describe sex and sex organs. |
2013-02-26T06:55:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/25/seth-macfarlane-was-the-real-boob-on-oscar-night/comment-page-3/#comment-262470 |
kamilla1960, I'm not sure you're doing World Trotskyism any favors by posting a piece defending an admitted child rapist here. | 2013-02-25T19:51:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/25/seth-macfarlane-was-the-real-boob-on-oscar-night/comment-page-2/#comment-262293 |
Integral, yikes, that piece really is fucked up. Polanski raped a young girl, was going to get a slap on the wrist for it, basically, but fled the country. And we're supposed to feel sorry for him? Polanski was a great director -- Rosemary's Baby is one of my favorite films ever -- but how the fuck do his supporters on this think that this in any ways makes up for the fact that HE RAPED A 13-YEAR OLD. |
2013-02-25T19:40:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/25/seth-macfarlane-was-the-real-boob-on-oscar-night/comment-page-2/#comment-262283 |
And another thread there on the same thing: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/197k3e/so_some_feminists_think_that_the_oscars_were/ |
2013-02-25T19:22:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/25/seth-macfarlane-was-the-real-boob-on-oscar-night/comment-page-2/#comment-262272 |
Oh, boy! The Men's Rights subreddit has some thoughts on the whole MacFarlane thing: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/197hfx/this_is_ridiculous/ |
2013-02-25T19:18:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/25/seth-macfarlane-was-the-real-boob-on-oscar-night/comment-page-2/#comment-262268 |
Polliwog, ah, I hadn't realized that about Charlize Theron. I replaced the picture. I actually turned the show off shortly before the boobs song because I found MacFarlane so insufferable and self-indulgent. |
2013-02-25T18:39:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/25/seth-macfarlane-was-the-real-boob-on-oscar-night/comment-page-1/#comment-262243 |
Oh, and Yoyo, thanks for posting the link to Vox's piece on the blog the other day, I hadn't seen it. | 2013-02-24T19:11:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/24/vox-day-women-working-is-worse-than-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-261866 |
I forgot about this, but dear old Uncle Elmer has been pushing the "feminists all secretly love the 50s/early 60s" line for a while. http://manboobz.com/2011/04/16/do-feminists-secretly-want-to-be-betty-draper/ |
2013-02-22T17:05:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/22/betty-friedan-communist-homewrecker/comment-page-1/#comment-261160 |
Uh, Fact Finder, I know you think that last link is some sort of "gotcha," but I'm rather curious what you think an out-of-context quote from a book review of mine about two books on Victorian sexuality is supposed to prove. I mean, it's not even a quote from me, but from a Victorian feminist. | 2013-02-22T04:13:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/21/thanks-for-the-support/comment-page-2/#comment-261012 |
You can find pdf versions of Dworkin's books (and books by various other feminists) here. http://ressourcesfeministes.wordpress.com/ressources/ I skimmed through the section on Incest in Woman Hating. It does indeed seem pretty, er, problematic, to say the least, but it's part of a complicated argument about gender roles and the nuclear family and I think I'd have to read it again more carefully in order to understand it completely. |
2013-02-21T08:53:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/20/mra-founding-father-warren-farrell-responds-to-questions-about-his-incest-research-with-evasive-non-answers-and-a-smiley/comment-page-2/#comment-260558 |
FWIW, GGG's IP puts him outside of north america, assuming it's not fake. | 2013-02-21T04:55:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/20/mra-founding-father-warren-farrell-responds-to-questions-about-his-incest-research-with-evasive-non-answers-and-a-smiley/comment-page-2/#comment-260518 |
danielle (and everyone else), the pledge drive is going quite well. I'll post an update tomorrow. I've been sidelined by migraine the past few days so I'm a bit tardy in sending out individual thank yous. jessay, so sorry that GGG is going after you. I don't know if he's a poe, or delusional, or what; whatever he is, it's creepy. Maybe Reddit will distract him for awhile. aim33, Farrell agreed to do an interview with that "disreputable publication." And he's had ample opportunities to explain what he "really" meant by any or all of those quotes, assuming he really meant something other than what they seem to say. But I will be writing more on Farrell's more recent work. Though it should be noted that his most significant work, The Myth of Male Power, was written 20 years ago. And it actually contains some comments on incest that are as weird and creepy as any in the Penthouse article. |
2013-02-21T04:51:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/20/mra-founding-father-warren-farrell-responds-to-questions-about-his-incest-research-with-evasive-non-answers-and-a-smiley/comment-page-2/#comment-260517 |
Just a note to say thanks again to all the donors, but don't feel bad if you didn't donate, I still love you all too, except maybe sonichu and the other trolls. Also, welcome, new commenters! | 2013-02-20T02:59:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-4/#comment-260110 |
Oh, man, I need to go read that Price post. | 2013-02-20T02:31:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/19/question-time-mras-and-puas-in-the-real-world/comment-page-3/#comment-260107 |
So much to respond to here!
I agree that the nice guy stuff is everywhere, and it's not new -- I had some nice guy qualities back in my high school/college/grad school days -- but it seems more angry and vociferous now, particularly on the incel end of the spectrum. I mean, I suppose I felt a bit "incel" in high school, but I didn't embrace that as an identity, nor did I when I had "dry spells" later. And I certainly didn't start writing manifestos calling for the government to provide me with a girlfriend.
The flip side of this stuff being more prevalent these days is that the people saying it's bullshit are also more prevalent and this may help some "nice guys" get that out of their system sooner.
And the PUA stuff is, if not everywhere, fairly common. I don't get much of it, but various women I know have had guys approach them in PUA-ish ways (or at the very least "neg" them). "Negging" may well end up being the biggest PUA legacy to society at large. Too bad that most negs are so uncreative.
I've started imagining a new sort of neg that starts off like a regular neg, then kicks it up a notch with an unexpected coda.
Nice dress! Did you make it yourself (regular neg) .... out of garbage? (bam!)
One of them bungled a copy cat crime in an attempt to get one of the hillside strangler duo off.Bewilderness, what?! I think I need a few more details. And Ranter, that's an amazing story. And hi to the new commenters! More thoughts when I can think straight. |
2013-02-20T02:30:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/19/question-time-mras-and-puas-in-the-real-world/comment-page-3/#comment-260106 |
Warren Farrell and Reddit: two great tastes that .. oh, wait. I'll have to head on over there and give it a read. |
2013-02-19T17:38:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-3/#comment-259837 |
Today I learned that linking to an article on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center makes me a classist. In other news, monkeys are flying out of my butt. |
2013-02-19T17:34:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-3/#comment-259834 |
Sonichu, I wouldn't have written that sentence because it might be seen as mockery, even if it wasn't intended that way. I assume, since the SPLC doesn't actually think that poor or disabled people are bad, that the writer was trying to provide a little bit of color, noting that Marky Mark writes about these sorts of personal things on his blog along with all the slut-bashing. They probably should have mentioned his love of motorcycles instead. | 2013-02-19T16:03:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-2/#comment-259733 |
Also, Sonichu, if you have problems with that one sentence in the SPLC article, I suggest you take it up with the SPLC, as no one here is responsible for writing that sentence. | 2013-02-19T15:57:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-2/#comment-259725 |
Sonichu, if you want to see a real example of classism, try this one:
Oh, you’re broke? Here’s a golden gift of advice for you: Get a job doing something useful and productive – instead of begging on the Internetz.It's from earlier in the thread. It's not aimed at MarkyMark. Or how about this comment, which I didn't let through moderation: Kill Yourself you broke fat waste of skin.I'm sure I can find many more examples from MRAs if you'd like. MRAs often mock people for being poor, fat, disabled, etc etc. |
2013-02-19T15:55:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-2/#comment-259722 |
Sonichu, mentioning someone's underwater mortgage isn't inherently classist. Lots of people, rich and poor, have underwater mortgages. It simply means that a homeowner has more debt on the property than the property is worth on the market. It's a reflection of the state of the housing market. | 2013-02-19T15:48:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-2/#comment-259716 |
Hey, Melody, I appreciate the donation, but I feel a little guilty for accepting it. Don't feel obligated to donate if you're broke, too! | 2013-02-19T14:50:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-2/#comment-259699 |
Cloudiah, PayPal isn't letting me set up a subsciption button, but I'm pretty sure that if you have a PayPal account you can set up recurring payments for yourself. I'll look into this further. | 2013-02-19T14:36:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-2/#comment-259694 |
Thanks again, everyone! Well, not Mr. Preggo Punchout or First Joe et al, but you know what I mean. And Katz, you're of course correct. If I were rolling in dough, the MRAs would denounce me for that as well. Cloudiah (and anyone else who is wondering), there is a way to make a recurring donation, though I believe you have to have a PayPal account for that, and there may be a small fee. I'll see if I can put up a button for that in the OP. And again, thanks! |
2013-02-19T14:04:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-259686 |
Thanks, everyone! It really makes a difference to me. (And I understand if you can't swing it right now.) | 2013-02-18T23:49:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-259570 |
Thanks for the donations, folks! And Yoyo, no problem, I completely understand! | 2013-02-18T20:04:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/18/man-boobz-party-time-presidents-day-pledge-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-259362 |
Just an FYI, there's no evidence that NNY is a returning troll. He's posting from a consistent IP that doesn't match (or even resemble) any previous troll. I mean, he might be a returning troll, but there's nothing funny going on with the IP as far as I can tell. | 2013-02-18T18:38:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/14/the-ultimate-nice-guy-tm-makes-a-music-video/comment-page-11/#comment-259259 |
email sent! | 2013-02-17T07:49:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/16/mens-rights-redditors-outraged-again-by-imaginary-injustice-alleged-stripping-at-school-assembly-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-258495 |
Hence my reference to being able to see this person's IP address when they tried to comment. That's how I knew it was the same person posting under different names. | 2013-02-16T19:00:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/13/hey-mras-if-you-dont-want-people-to-associate-you-with-hatred-dont-associate-yourself-with-hate-groups/comment-page-4/#comment-258349 |
Let me clarify: MRAs are free to post here. My note was directed at a *specific* MRA (that is, one individual person) who was trying to post here under a variety of different names -- ie, he or she was sockpuppeting, which is against my comment policy. | 2013-02-16T18:58:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/13/hey-mras-if-you-dont-want-people-to-associate-you-with-hatred-dont-associate-yourself-with-hate-groups/comment-page-4/#comment-258346 |
Oh my lord, Cloudiah, that horse_ebooks thing is brilliant. I'm going to do a quick post on it. | 2013-02-15T15:13:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/14/the-ultimate-nice-guy-tm-makes-a-music-video/comment-page-5/#comment-257965 |
Hey Stoner, can you give me a good reason why I should allow someone who goes around posting as "David H. Fucktrelle, Male Feminist Extraordinare (TM)" to comment on my blog? I mean, that seems sort of douchey, especially since there are apparently manosphere dudes out there stupid enough to think that it's me. I await your explanation. |
2013-02-14T19:45:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/14/the-ultimate-nice-guy-tm-makes-a-music-video/comment-page-1/#comment-257590 |
Turns out he's made a whole bunch of similarly terrible videos. I made it partway through each of these. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eeJv-ffJgI&list=UUtdgvdZSeesdJisQZFLdQ4g&index=8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g4SSIf6Saw&list=UUtdgvdZSeesdJisQZFLdQ4g&index=4 |
2013-02-14T18:41:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/14/the-ultimate-nice-guy-tm-makes-a-music-video/comment-page-1/#comment-257567 |
I can only fucking imagine how utterly MISERABLE mra’s are on valentines day.Really, that's my favorite thing about Valentine's Day, which otherwise I'm not really a fan of. |
2013-02-14T17:19:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/14/for-some-mras-valentines-day-is-a-socially-coerced-day-of-hyper-entitlement-for-a-generation-of-princess-leeches/comment-page-2/#comment-257543 |
NOTE TO MRA TRYING TO POST HERE: I'm not going to let your comments through, not because of their content but because every time you try to post one you do so under a different name. (I can see your IP, dude.) | 2013-02-12T19:58:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/13/hey-mras-if-you-dont-want-people-to-associate-you-with-hatred-dont-associate-yourself-with-hate-groups/comment-page-3/#comment-256872 |
I'm going to write about the Matusiewicz story; just waiting a bit to see how it develops. If any of you see MRA types commenting on it, let me know. (I'm looking through the comments at that HuffPo article now.) | 2013-02-11T15:46:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/10/feminists-give-up-your-misandry-accept-that-women-are-inferior-and-oh-this-mra-rant-gets-worse-much-worse/comment-page-4/#comment-256575 |
Oh, by the way, in case anyone cares, I figured out who "David H. Fucktrelle -- Male Feminist Extraordinare (tm)" really is. It wasn't really that hard to figure out. It's the one person in the universe who uses the phrase "male feminist extraordinare (tm)." https://www.google.com/search?q=%22male+feminist+extraordinaire%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
2013-02-10T04:25:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/09/ineedmasculismbecause-nothing-is-funnier-than-mras-sincerely-trying-to-explain-their-dumb-beliefs-to-the-world/comment-page-2/#comment-256158 |
I think Stalk might just need a post of his own! | 2013-02-09T21:53:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/09/ineedmasculismbecause-nothing-is-funnier-than-mras-sincerely-trying-to-explain-their-dumb-beliefs-to-the-world/comment-page-2/#comment-255999 |
Jeez, is Firepower an idiot. Why would I post somewhere as "Fucktrelle?" ??!! I know I've seen the "Fucktrelle" guy elsewhere a couple of times, can't remember where. |
2013-02-09T20:35:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/09/ineedmasculismbecause-nothing-is-funnier-than-mras-sincerely-trying-to-explain-their-dumb-beliefs-to-the-world/comment-page-2/#comment-255967 |
er, 4chan guy. | 2013-02-09T19:25:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/09/ineedmasculismbecause-nothing-is-funnier-than-mras-sincerely-trying-to-explain-their-dumb-beliefs-to-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-255921 |
The 4chan buy may have been trolling, but the MRAs were pretty damn serious about it. | 2013-02-09T19:25:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/09/ineedmasculismbecause-nothing-is-funnier-than-mras-sincerely-trying-to-explain-their-dumb-beliefs-to-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-255920 |
nerdypants, I have seen American MRAs talk sometimes about there being a big MR movement in India, but somehow I suspect they're exaggerating. It's just that when I was looking through the hashtag at like 4 AM here there were a bunch of Indian MRAs posting. | 2013-02-09T19:11:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/09/ineedmasculismbecause-nothing-is-funnier-than-mras-sincerely-trying-to-explain-their-dumb-beliefs-to-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-255912 |
Tulgey, some of Average Man's tweets are jokes that are meant to parody feminist jokes about the hashtag -- some of them have /s tags at the end of them. He seems to be a sincere MRA, as far as I can tell. | 2013-02-09T17:59:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/09/ineedmasculismbecause-nothing-is-funnier-than-mras-sincerely-trying-to-explain-their-dumb-beliefs-to-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-255880 |
The dear Mr. Firepower has responded to this post with a rather strange rant based on the premise that I am gay: http://eradica.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/futrelle-the-great-2013-manboobz-controversy/ If you were wondering if Firepower is a raging homophobe in addition to being a racist and a misogynist, your question is answered. |
2013-02-07T16:59:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/07/pua-dirtbag-on-why-some-women-should-be-treated-like-disposable-blowup-dolls/comment-page-1/#comment-255246 |
Youtube must be having some issue. It stopped working for me for awhile, but now seems to be working again. I was afraid I'd done something to make youtube mad. | 2013-02-06T21:44:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/05/on-popes-pills-and-the-alpha-asshole-cock-carousel/comment-page-6/#comment-255043 |
Has youtube embedding stopped working on every site for you guys too, or is it jsut me? | 2013-02-06T21:35:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/05/on-popes-pills-and-the-alpha-asshole-cock-carousel/comment-page-6/#comment-255037 |
That blog is quite the repository of straw feminism. | 2013-02-06T17:09:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/the-splc-responds-to-mras-critical-of-its-report-on-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-4/#comment-254926 |
Lots of strawfeminists here: http://factsforequality.wordpress.com/ | 2013-02-06T17:08:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/06/what-are-the-central-tenets-of-straw-feminism-no-seriously-im-asking/comment-page-2/#comment-254925 |
So much awesomeness here. And welcome to all the lurkers! Let's see: Strawfeminists live a life of luxury off of VAWA money, which all comes from men since only men pay taxes. Strawfeminists spend their 20s having endless sex with jocks and bad boys, because cock carousel. The non-asshole, non-jock guy they married is just the beta slave they roped in to pay the bills. (This was all said about one prominent young feminist recently.) |
2013-02-06T17:02:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/06/what-are-the-central-tenets-of-straw-feminism-no-seriously-im-asking/comment-page-2/#comment-254923 |
whataboutthemoonz, do what you need to do to take care of yourself! Lots of regular readers here have taken breaks from the site because they needed a break from all the toxic misogyny. Heck, sometimes I need to clear my head of it all; that's partly why I started my little music blog. |
2013-02-06T01:06:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/05/a-voice-for-men-uses-pic-of-brutalized-woman-to-illustrate-post-blaming-feminists-for-domestic-violence/comment-page-2/#comment-254697 |
I’m sure there’s at least one MRA who thinks that women are to blame for sports injuries because men have to be Alpha to even get female attention.Warren Farrell makes that "argument," basically. |
2013-02-03T20:42:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/02/01/breaking-news-men-still-oppressed-by-women-who-dress-like-whores/comment-page-6/#comment-253916 |
fathertime, here's an easier challenge for you: give me the names of half a dozen reasonably prominent MRAs online who are decent people and not misogynists. | 2013-02-02T19:09:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/31/reddit-shitlords-give-other-reddit-shitlords-prestigous-shitlord-award/comment-page-9/#comment-253083 |
You run a website that cherry picks the worst of MRA internet commenters to paint them as jerks and you are surprised that they don’t want you around?On cherrypicking: Many of the worst things I quote come from some of the most prominent MRAs out there. Most of the comments I quote from r/mensrights have numerous upvotes, sometimes dozens or hundreds, and when I post comments that have been downvoted, I note that they've been downvoted. Also, I generally ignore the worst of the worst in the MRM, like those who consider Marc Lepine to be a hero. Please point me to the completely reasonable MR sites that aren't full of misogyny that you think I'm somehow ignoring. On the rest: r/mensrights can ban whoever they want. It just seems a teensy bit hypocritical for MRAs to describe it as a bastion of free speech when they regularly ban people who disagree with them. Meanwhile, I let people who disagree with me post here and only ban them if they're abusive or otherwise really badly behaved. |
2013-02-02T18:48:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/31/reddit-shitlords-give-other-reddit-shitlords-prestigous-shitlord-award/comment-page-9/#comment-253050 |
FWIW, Abnoy was posting from the Philippines. | 2013-01-29T23:41:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/28/the-mens-rights-subreddit-a-net-exporter-of-hate/comment-page-7/#comment-251286 |
OOps. I just fixed a couple of blockquote fails in the post. | 2013-01-29T16:17:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/29/mgtower-wearing-makeup-turns-women-into-darth-vader/comment-page-1/#comment-250840 |
DisposableMan, are you really this obtuse? It has nothing to do with women "always being right" or men "always being wrong." The point is that NO ONE DESERVES ABUSE. Male or female. Abused people, male or female, are not responsible for the abuse they suffer. Their abusers are. Even if someone, male or female, says something "provoking" to their partner, male or female, that partner *doesn't get to hit them*. Plain and simple. Yes, there is such a thing as verbal abuse. But the answer to verbal abuse is not physical abuse. Of course, in most cases of abuse, there is no "provocation" that exists outside the mind of the abuser. That's simply a rationalization for the abuse that the abuser wanted to inflict. |
2013-01-27T04:24:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/25/abused-women-demand-their-abuse-how-mras-make-the-abusers-arguments-for-them/comment-page-3/#comment-249448 |
Cassie, registration may not be a hypothetical thing, but in the current circumstances it is a pretty much meaningless thing, as the chances of a draft returning in the foreseeable future are remote, to say the least. Were the draft to return I and I think plenty of others here would put a good deal of energy towards doing away with the draft for men, not towards extending the draft to women. As it stands, no one here is actually doing anything about it one way or the other because it seems like registration for women is simply inevitable, as there is no longer any coherent legal argument against it. I think this will be handled by the courts. |
2013-01-26T22:47:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/26/a-voice-for-men-well-support-women-in-combat-only-if-the-proper-percentage-of-women-get-killed/comment-page-5/#comment-249118 |
Disposable man, who is WBB? Wooly Bumblebee? I'm pretty sure she's posted her real name on AVFM, but I don't actually know what it is, nor do I really give a shit. I wrote about her once and I don't think anyone referred to her w/ her name. | 2013-01-26T16:37:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/25/abused-women-demand-their-abuse-how-mras-make-the-abusers-arguments-for-them/comment-page-3/#comment-248784 |
Disposable man, I didn't "dox drop" anyone. Straughan/GWW has started to identify herself with her real name on AVFM. It's in the bio at the end of her articles, which she wrote herself. | 2013-01-26T16:31:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/25/abused-women-demand-their-abuse-how-mras-make-the-abusers-arguments-for-them/comment-page-3/#comment-248780 |
I haven't caught up with the comments yet, but I banned babyd and deleted his comments. Racist shithead. I let though some extremely problematic victim blaming comments from "disposable man"; I've got him on moderation. |
2013-01-26T16:24:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/25/abused-women-demand-their-abuse-how-mras-make-the-abusers-arguments-for-them/comment-page-3/#comment-248778 |
I've sent Om Nom on his way. These guys are getting better at hiding their IPs. | 2013-01-25T16:53:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/24/roosh-fan-black-and-white-unite-to-fight-the-evil-feminist-white-male-bashers-also-a-terrible-chart/comment-page-5/#comment-248531 |
Fatrelle is definitely a returning troll, though he seems to have only made sporadic comments. He's the guy who once left this charming comment here:
You don’t understand. Little Ms. David here is just jealous because men will rather use a Fleshlight than give Little Ms. David’s hungry poophole and mouthpussy the gift of their manly, throbbing love rockets. Awwwww. Men are such pigs. Men are so shallow they can’t understand Little Ms. David needs a Real Man™. Where have all the good men gone?http://manboobz.com/2012/06/28/he-blogs-just-like-a-woman/comment-page-2/#comment-168027 I've got him on moderation. |
2013-01-24T21:34:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/24/roosh-fan-black-and-white-unite-to-fight-the-evil-feminist-white-male-bashers-also-a-terrible-chart/comment-page-4/#comment-248220 |
Congrats from me as well, Kim. Also: Demarq doesn't seem to be a returning troll. Or at least his IP doesn't match up with or resemble that of any previous trolls. He is annoying, though. |
2013-01-24T21:15:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/24/roosh-fan-black-and-white-unite-to-fight-the-evil-feminist-white-male-bashers-also-a-terrible-chart/comment-page-3/#comment-248209 |
I was not expecting a Swedish country-rock song about Emmylou Harris and Gram Parsons. | 2013-01-18T19:51:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/18/supe-pah-per-storm-troup-pah-pers/comment-page-1/#comment-246359 |
Falconer, ABBA has a song called Super Trouper. But they sing it "Supe-pah-per Troo-pah-per." I am perhaps overamused by puns and dopey wordplay. |
2013-01-18T16:35:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/18/supe-pah-per-storm-troup-pah-pers/comment-page-1/#comment-246331 |
Carley, no, but Paul gleefully talked about his plans to do that on his "radio" show when register-her first started. I guess cooler heads prevailed. frietag, I actually got a weird crank call at 1:30 AM a few weeks ago that caller ID showed to be coming from ... an AVFM contributor. I let it go through to voicemail and he left a weird message, which I of course have an MP3 of. Maybe I should post it. |
2013-01-18T13:20:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/18/supe-pah-per-storm-troup-pah-pers/comment-page-1/#comment-246309 |
I looked at the video and the website, and read the google translation of it (which actually seemed fairly clear, esp for a google translation). While I think the gun imagery in the video is deeply problematic, especially with the list of names, the video did not threaten, and most of the guns in the video were actually being pointed at the women in it, to suggest that feminists in sweden are the victims of misogynists. There's more than a teensy bit of irony in this video being criticized by a website whose favorite slogan is "fuck their shit up," which posts a literal terrorist manifesto advocating burning down govt buildings in its activism pages, and which not only names the names of its enemies but also provides personal information (and threatens to reveal not only addresses of women they don't like but also their routes home from work). |
2013-01-18T12:38:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/18/supe-pah-per-storm-troup-pah-pers/comment-page-1/#comment-246295 |
Er, for. | 2013-01-17T21:38:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/17/my-new-music-blog-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-246174 |
Thanks fore letting me know where that pic came from! I'll put some links in the post. | 2013-01-17T21:37:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/17/my-new-music-blog-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-246173 |
Tee, I don't know where that pic came from. I found it unattributed on the internetz. | 2013-01-17T14:04:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/17/my-new-music-blog-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-246002 |
Alert! I just let a bunch of comments from Mr. Ironwood himself out of moderation; go back to the previous page of comments to see them. | 2013-01-15T16:15:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/15/imaginary-feminists-dont-destroy-ian-ironwoods-sexbot-utopia/comment-page-2/#comment-245176 |
D'oh! Merv = Dr. Pell. He's banned again. | 2013-01-13T20:02:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/12/pickup-artistry-victorian-style/comment-page-4/#comment-244282 |
Oy. As several people have pointed out, Stam is a sockpuppet of someone I banned a while back. So I've banned him again. | 2013-01-09T23:25:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/08/orgasms-away/comment-page-4/#comment-242552 |
You guys are quick with the troll IDs! Time for the ritual exorcism. Chant after me: I do not like thee, Doctor Pell, The reason why, I cannot tell; But this I know, and know full well, I do not like thee, Doctor Pell. http://karenspoetryspot.blogspot.com/2007/10/i-do-not-like-thee-doctor-fell-by.html |
2013-01-08T17:32:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/07/mra-the-national-rifle-association-needs-to-stop-talking-about-video-games-and-fight-the-real-enemy-feminists/comment-page-8/#comment-241942 |
Me:
(I await the inevitable comment from a troll telling us all that whatever games these women are playing just don’t count because blah and blah.)AJ Carson: The idea that women make up half of gamers is a major feminist distortion. Women are predominantly Facebook casuals, for example, Farmville. Those aren’t real games, and women are a tiny portion of real gamers.I'm a regular Nostradamus, I am! |
2013-01-08T15:59:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/07/mra-the-national-rifle-association-needs-to-stop-talking-about-video-games-and-fight-the-real-enemy-feminists/comment-page-6/#comment-241767 |
I actually have good reason to believe that Diogenes isn't a sock, that he is indeed a real person who does in fact happen to be of Iranian descent. | 2013-01-08T01:53:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/04/nice-guys-on-parade/comment-page-18/#comment-241622 |
Lowquacks, hope you and your friends/loved ones/neighbors are all safe! | 2013-01-07T17:23:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/04/nice-guys-on-parade/comment-page-18/#comment-241458 |
I would think a "cold glass of piss" would be preferable to a scalding hot one. Or even a warm one. | 2013-01-04T19:09:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/04/nice-guys-on-parade/comment-page-1/#comment-239372 |
John, you didn't get even one write in vote for Troll of the Year. I actually came out ahead of you in that regard, with 3 write in votes, along with one for "David Fatrelle." I also got one write in vote for Special-est Snowflake and four for Worst Person, including one for "David Futrelle (the catty fraudster)." |
2013-01-02T21:24:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/02/the-winner-of-the-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year-award-for-2012-goes-to-mral-no-thats-not-a-typo/comment-page-1/#comment-238309 |
If Tom is a troll, he's REALLY dedicated - dedicated enough to rack up thousands in court expenses he now owes to the British govt. | 2013-01-02T21:19:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/02/the-winner-of-the-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year-award-for-2012-goes-to-mral-no-thats-not-a-typo/comment-page-1/#comment-238305 |
I'm 99.9% sure MRAL isn't Pell. The name "Otis the Sweaty" seems very MRALish, but Otis has used a consistent IP while MRAL and his sockpuppets have always used more than one. That's one of the reasons I didn;t catch this earlier; it's tiresome to check IPs of frequent commenters that use more than one IP. MRAL used more than 2 dozen, though admittedly a bunch of those are fairly similar. |
2013-01-02T21:18:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/01/02/the-winner-of-the-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year-award-for-2012-goes-to-mral-no-thats-not-a-typo/comment-page-1/#comment-238304 |
Tam, Konigsberg isn't suing Peter Jackson for misogyny, She's not even accusing him of it. She's simply noting the bizarre scarcity of female characters in Tolkien's works, and suggesting that because of that they don't really speak to her the way they do to other people. The Hobbit is an all male book, and an almost all-male film; that's certainly worth noting. I think even fans of Tolkien can admit that he had some issues w/ women -- he didn't know how to write fully realized female characters, and had some trouble imagining them even existing in the background in his fictional universe. If a film came out with 36 women in its cast and one man, we'd certainly be hearing about that. |
2012-12-31T22:41:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/31/lords-of-their-dingalings-mens-rightsers-outraged-at-time-writer-for-noting-the-lack-of-female-characters-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-237547 |
Amnesia, and if we're talking about 19th century women novelists more generally, it's well known that the Bronte sisters were obsessed with dudes: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=202 |
2012-12-31T20:18:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/31/lords-of-their-dingalings-mens-rightsers-outraged-at-time-writer-for-noting-the-lack-of-female-characters-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-237494 |
My favorite Peter Jackson film -- really, the only one I like pretty much unreservedly -- is Heavenly Creatures, which is about two girls. He also co-wrote the screenplay. So he's certainly capable of handling female characters; he just chooses not to include very many. | 2012-12-31T20:13:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/31/lords-of-their-dingalings-mens-rightsers-outraged-at-time-writer-for-noting-the-lack-of-female-characters-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-237489 |
Oh, somehow I messed up and forgot to include 2 of my favorite comments, which I've now added to the OP. | 2012-12-31T20:01:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/31/lords-of-their-dingalings-mens-rightsers-outraged-at-time-writer-for-noting-the-lack-of-female-characters-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-237476 |
OK, I'll write a post about The Misandry Bubble. I might end up mocking it, though, rather than providing a detailed logical argument against each and every dumb argument it makes. |
2012-12-30T19:41:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/30/no-godwins-law-here-this-mens-rights-activist-really-is-a-nazi/comment-page-2/#comment-236971 |
Wait, is he confusing Woody Allen with Woody Guthrie, and Woody Guthrie with Bob Dylan? As Gandhi once said, "Girls just wanna have fun." |
2012-12-30T17:04:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/29/vote-now-for-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year/comment-page-2/#comment-236811 |
"We thought about organizing politically, but it turns out that this takes work, and also, pretty much everyone hates us. So we'll just, uh, overthrow the government instead?" | 2012-12-30T16:50:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/30/no-godwins-law-here-this-mens-rights-activist-really-is-a-nazi/comment-page-1/#comment-236804 |
No, worst person just applies to MBz trolls. | 2012-12-29T20:46:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/29/vote-now-for-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-236646 |
katz, I just added, or tried to add, the first joe to the tiresome question. Can someone who hasn't voted yet see if his name is there now? If not, I guess he'll have to be a write-in candidate, because otherwise I think I'd have to repost the quiz and that would wipe out existing votes, etc. Anyone who wants to campaign for a specific candidate, please post examples of your contender(s) in action! In the meantime, maude, there are links to all the tom martin posts in the Year of Triumphs post. Or you can just search the blog for tom martin. I also did a post about john anderson, you can search for that. Katz did a great post on the manboobz forum linking to a lot of Dr. Pell's finest work. http://manboobz.forummotion.com/t852-a-biography-of-christopher-pell |
2012-12-29T20:28:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/29/vote-now-for-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-236635 |
Steph, yep. That's the event in Montana that had no attendees. (The people listening to the talk are the people who organized the event.) | 2012-12-29T18:06:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/28/2012-year-of-triumphs-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-4/#comment-236571 |
NotMRA NotFeminist, the men's rights movement is not a "huge threat" to feminism. But as I note in the post, and have pointed out many times on this blog, MRAs are effective at harassing individual women, and this makes them a danger to any woman (or man) they decide to harass. It's also quite possible that the extreme rhetoric of the MRM will push some unbalanced MRA to something more drastic, a danger pointed out by the SPLC among others.The endless talk about the alleged violence of feminists on AVFM is a pretty clear case of projection. | 2012-12-28T16:16:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/28/2012-year-of-triumphs-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-236228 |
Abnoy, reading your dumb trolly comments is work, so I figure you owe me $5 for that one. Equivalent Exchange! | 2012-12-28T04:57:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/26/mens-rights-redditor-warns-men-be-careful-with-your-sperm-your-very-freedom-is-at-stake/comment-page-5/#comment-236129 |
(Tom Martin seems to be the frontrunner for Troll of the Year, but we're not even out of the primaries yet.) | 2012-12-27T01:03:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/26/mens-rights-redditor-warns-men-be-careful-with-your-sperm-your-very-freedom-is-at-stake/comment-page-2/#comment-235775 |
John, Tom Martin had six threads devoted to him, five of them devoted to his comments here. You, I had completely forgotten about. | 2012-12-27T01:01:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/26/mens-rights-redditor-warns-men-be-careful-with-your-sperm-your-very-freedom-is-at-stake/comment-page-2/#comment-235773 |
Melissa, you honestly didn't seem that trolly to me, until I checked your IP and found that you seem to be posting from the middle of a forest in northern england -- the very same forest that one now-banned troll here seemed to be posting from. If you can explain this to me in some vaguely convincing fashion, and tell me a bit about your favorite shops in Low Snaygill, I might not ban you. | 2012-12-27T00:08:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/26/mens-rights-redditor-warns-men-be-careful-with-your-sperm-your-very-freedom-is-at-stake/comment-page-2/#comment-235754 |
Here's a link directly to NWO's comments: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/15drso/swaziland_bans_rapeprovoking_miniskirts_implies/c7lma7s The thread turns into a sort of Battle of the Banned Man Boobz Trolls, as he gets into an argument with Sigil1, who used to post here in an extremely tiresome manner as Eoghan. Eventually Sigil1 sort of accuses him of being me. Sigil1 always assumes any MRA he doesn't like is a troll, and possibly me. Did I ban Slavey or just perma-moderate him? I did actually ban him, right? |
2012-12-26T22:21:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/25/merry-man-boobz-christmas-andor-happy-tuesday-also-nominate-your-favorite-troll-of-2012/comment-page-4/#comment-235739 |
Melissa, the whole premise of that thread on r/mr -- shared by the OP and a lot of upvoted comments -- is that a significant number of women are sperm-stealing monsters (specifically, succubi and boogeywomen). If you went to the (I hope imaginary) GentileRights subreddit and found a bunch of people there talking about how afraid they were to visit New York city because Jews might throw dreidels at them, you would say that was ludicrous and anti-Semitic. And it really wouldn't matter if the people there could cite a case in which a Jewish comedian mentioned in his stand-up act that he had once, for real, thrown a dreidel at a guy's head. https://twitter.com/zenaccc/status/197203908966350848 http://www.daily49er.com/diversions/jewlicious-festival-entertains-with-culture-music-food-1.2707632#.UNvF3nfheSo No, because even though this apparently happened once in the history of the world -- probably more, when you think about it -- the discussion would still be anti-Semitic. |
2012-12-26T22:04:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/26/mens-rights-redditor-warns-men-be-careful-with-your-sperm-your-very-freedom-is-at-stake/comment-page-2/#comment-235732 |
Melissa, I was responding to a comment of yours that specfically mentioned a "spermjacking" case. I do think that it's fucked up to have a rape victim paying child support. I'm not sure what would be a fair and practical way to provide support for the children in this case. My own preferred solution would be for the government to provide much more of the support for children in single parent homes; that's pretty much politically impossible in the US, and I guarantee you that 99% of MRAs would oppose that. But again, the cases we're talking about are very rare. Far, far more common? Dads skipping out on their child support responsibilities. Only about 60% of child support gets paid in any given year; 30% of single parents (most of them women) get stiffed. I'm guessing in some of these cases the fathers convinced their partners to forego birth control, and promised to be there for them. In any case, the MRAs who claim to be concerned about this aren't lobbying for new laws or even trying to come up with workable solutions. They're using it as an excuse to indulge their paranoid fantasies and rail against evil women. The way they talk about it, you would assume that every other woman in the dating pool is a spermjacker just waiting for her chance to pounce. |
2012-12-26T20:14:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/26/mens-rights-redditor-warns-men-be-careful-with-your-sperm-your-very-freedom-is-at-stake/comment-page-1/#comment-235688 |
Melissa, did you actually read the article? The vast majority of the cases cited don't involve "spermjacking." There are only two cases in that article that do. I think there may have been a couple more since the article was written in 1999. In other words, there have been only a tiny handful of these cases in the history of the world. In other words, it's orders of magnitude less likely than being hit by lightning. These guys are talking as if it's an everyday occurrence. | 2012-12-26T19:24:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/26/mens-rights-redditor-warns-men-be-careful-with-your-sperm-your-very-freedom-is-at-stake/comment-page-1/#comment-235635 |
Hmm. I'm thinking we need categories for Worst Human Being and Most Tiresome. And definitely for best FeMRA. Perhaps we could call that Specialest Snowflake. | 2012-12-25T21:36:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/25/merry-man-boobz-christmas-andor-happy-tuesday-also-nominate-your-favorite-troll-of-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-235334 |
Dee, there are some legitimate men's issues -- for example, men get longer prison sentences than women for the same crimes (that go beyond what you would except given the generally longer criminal records of male defendants); male victims of rape and DV need to be taken seriously. However, the MRM deals with all of these issues (and every other issue and imagined issue they deal with) in a way that demonizes women and does utterly nothing to actually help men. Indeed, MRAs seem far more interested in finding excuses to attack feminism (well, an imaginary version feminism they have in their heads) and women generally than they do in actually seeking solutions. I have a female friend who volunteers at a rape crisis center. Part of her job involves coordinating the center's volunteers -- including those who are on call at all times to help male victims of rape. I would say that she has singlehandedly done more for male victims of rape than the entire MRM combined. |
2012-12-24T15:02:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/23/clearing-my-head-of-mras-with-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-235069 |
Congrats on the boob, yoyo! And damn the rest of you for making me hungry. |
2012-12-22T02:07:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/21/mens-rights-redditors-teach-darkbros-homobros-and-transbros-a-few-things-about-inclusiveness/comment-page-2/#comment-234424 |
Aw, rescued kitties! | 2012-12-21T05:55:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/20/quiz-whos-responsible-for-the-newtown-shootings-according-to-commenters-on-the-spearhead/comment-page-3/#comment-234072 |
carnation, longshan gui has given me evidence that Elam has been married and divorced multiple times. (He's not married now.) And as Sporklift has pointed out he says he was an addiction counselor. I'll moderate the comments that make claims beyond this until I see the evidence for them as well. | 2012-12-20T07:58:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/19/homophobic-asshole-throws-other-homophobic-asshole-out-of-mens-rights-movement-for-homophobic-assholery/comment-page-2/#comment-233782 |
I don’t google when I have a discussion with someone online because I consider that to be intellectually dishonest. Everything is off the top of my head.*facepalm* Using some sort of online anagrammer while playing Scrabble = cheating Looking shit up on wikipedia while palying trivial pursuit = cheating Informing yourself of facts and checking to see if your assumptions are actually true while having an online discussion = not cheating. Really, almost the polar opposite of cheating. In fact, after reading this discussion I may have to add "unwillingness to learn" to my list of moderatable/bannable offenses. |
2012-12-20T05:23:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/19/national-review-writer-men-and-husky-boys-could-have-prevented-the-newtown-school-shootings/comment-page-4/#comment-233758 |
lonshangui, could you email me to provide evidence for what you're saying about Elam (marriages, etc)? I don't want stuff like that going up in the comments that I don't know for sure is true. | 2012-12-19T21:48:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/19/homophobic-asshole-throws-other-homophobic-asshole-out-of-mens-rights-movement-for-homophobic-assholery/comment-page-2/#comment-233634 |
I've seen no evidence that Elam is literally an abuser or an alcoholic, but his behavior is often very similar to characteristic behavior patterns of both. Pecunium, the page I found the pic on suggested that Dempsey had started the fight, but geve no details. It definitely looks like the ref is tryihg to punch him. |
2012-12-19T19:14:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/19/homophobic-asshole-throws-other-homophobic-asshole-out-of-mens-rights-movement-for-homophobic-assholery/comment-page-1/#comment-233446 |
I just did a post on Charlotte Allen's egregious piece in the National Review on heroic janitors etc. | 2012-12-19T19:04:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/19/homophobic-asshole-throws-other-homophobic-asshole-out-of-mens-rights-movement-for-homophobic-assholery/comment-page-1/#comment-233437 |
Carley, the picture is apparently boxer Jack Dempsey getting into a fight with a referee. I don't know the details. | 2012-12-19T16:01:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/19/homophobic-asshole-throws-other-homophobic-asshole-out-of-mens-rights-movement-for-homophobic-assholery/comment-page-1/#comment-233383 |
I couldn't watch poor Franz there. | 2012-12-19T00:41:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/18/fly-me-belated-slightly-off-topic-post-with-funny-videos/comment-page-1/#comment-233177 |
Oh, boy. Just caught up here. I guess this is what happens when I take a nap during prime trolling hours. And I thought MRAL had moved on. Ah well. Anyway, I just want to throw this idea out there. Register-Purr I mean, we all know there are cats out there who are terrible kitty misandrists. Seems like we might need some sort of registry. I don't really have time to take on the task, but if someone understands how to do wikis ... PROFIT?! |
2012-12-18T00:14:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/17/register-her-is-a-fake-offenders-registry-run-by-misogynists-designed-to-vilify-and-intimidate-women/comment-page-6/#comment-232881 |
Your troll for the evening was ... MRAL. Goodbye, MRAL! | 2012-12-17T23:20:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/17/register-her-is-a-fake-offenders-registry-run-by-misogynists-designed-to-vilify-and-intimidate-women/comment-page-6/#comment-232843 |
Ninjaed by timetravelingfool who made the point better than I did. | 2012-12-16T16:26:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/12/mra-videoblogger-johntheother-hypocritical-defender-of-doxxing-doxxes-himself/comment-page-2/#comment-232068 |
John, I actually spend very little time talking about misogynist jokes; most of the stuff I quote here is meant seriously. I mean, JTO on his youtube page jokes that his "donate" button "harasses women." I don't conclude from that that his donate button literally harasses women, the way that AVFM has decided that a "hail satan kill all men" tweet means that the woman who posted it really thinks all men should be killed and that therefore her life should be ruined forever because of it. |
2012-12-16T16:25:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/12/mra-videoblogger-johntheother-hypocritical-defender-of-doxxing-doxxes-himself/comment-page-2/#comment-232065 |
Nat, yikes. Exploding sinuses and racist right wingers are not a good combo. | 2012-12-15T19:38:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/14/newton-shooting-discussion-thread-no-flames-no-trolls/comment-page-2/#comment-231875 |
Alex, did you not read the title to this thread? Did you not read the previous comments? Did you not read what people were saying directly to you? You're in the wrong place. I've put you on moderation. Go talk about this in the proper thread, or go away. Argenti, thanks for the feedback on the ads. I don't have any control over what ads they put there but I need to know what they are putting there. I use flashblock so I haven't heard any of the music. |
2012-12-15T19:36:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/14/newton-shooting-discussion-thread-no-flames-no-trolls/comment-page-2/#comment-231872 |
Speaking of getting guns from across the border, America's gun laws are so lax that Mexican drug cartels actually send people to US gun shows to buy guns. | 2012-12-15T07:57:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/14/trigger-warning-a-voice-for-men-commenter-claims-that-the-newtown-shooting-is-evidence-of-the-oppression-of-men/comment-page-3/#comment-231731 |
Jeff, take it to the other thread, or perhaps another site. This isn't the place for it. You're going on moderation. | 2012-12-15T02:17:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/14/newton-shooting-discussion-thread-no-flames-no-trolls/comment-page-2/#comment-231678 |
SO sorry to hear that , hellkell. Losing a cat is hard. | 2012-12-14T23:53:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/14/friday-night-cat-videos/comment-page-1/#comment-231583 |
At first the news (getting the info from police) was reporting that the killer's older brother was the killer -- he's 24, don't know if he has a kid. The killer apparently had his brother's ID on him, for some reason. But when I first started watching the news, even though they were reporting incorrectly on who was the killer, no one was saying anything about children or custody. |
2012-12-14T19:08:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/14/trigger-warning-a-voice-for-men-commenter-claims-that-the-newtown-shooting-is-evidence-of-the-oppression-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-231434 |
I just added a truly repulsive comment from The Spearhead to the OP; it's at the end. | 2012-12-14T18:53:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/14/trigger-warning-a-voice-for-men-commenter-claims-that-the-newtown-shooting-is-evidence-of-the-oppression-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-231424 |
I added some more to the post, including one screenshot from the AVFM thread before it was closed. I also added some horrendous comments from AVFM regulars made about the Seal Beach shootings. | 2012-12-14T17:54:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/14/trigger-warning-a-voice-for-men-commenter-claims-that-the-newtown-shooting-is-evidence-of-the-oppression-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-231400 |
I've put up two separate threads to discuss the shootings. One deals with a horrible statement from the AVFM forums on the shootings; the other is a no troll, no MRA, no asshole thread to discuss the shootings without having to think about the assholes. | 2012-12-14T15:59:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/13/canada-land-of-danger-for-men-and-boys/comment-page-3/#comment-231316 |
Well, in my ideal world I'd be living in a combination treehouse/dome house/underground house with unlimited money. And there would be no poverty or war. But short of that, and keeping in mind that the world is always going to be an imperfect place, I'd be mostly content with a world similar to this one but with fewer misogynistic assholes in it. (I should add: because some of them learned not to be misogynistic assholes, not because I sent them to live on a remote island or something.) | 2012-12-14T02:59:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-10/#comment-231161 |
I'm no fan of Mao, and I hardly think that the political philosophy that led to tens of millions of deaths and some of the world's most twisted dictatorships is going to help out anyone, male or female. But, what the heck; I don't like to censor so I let that comment through. | 2012-12-14T02:47:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/12/man-boobz-readers-would-like-to-offer-support-for-a-voice-for-mens-doxxing-victims-in-toronto/comment-page-3/#comment-231155 |
Hey, Cloudiah, could I use your little Canadian consulate scene for a post? | 2012-12-13T13:04:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/12/man-boobz-readers-would-like-to-offer-support-for-a-voice-for-mens-doxxing-victims-in-toronto/comment-page-2/#comment-230871 |
Suz: On his YouTube channel JTO says that his "donate" button "harasses women." Should I take that literally? | 2012-12-13T13:01:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/12/man-boobz-readers-would-like-to-offer-support-for-a-voice-for-mens-doxxing-victims-in-toronto/comment-page-2/#comment-230866 |
I've passed along a number of supportive messages to Sophia. | 2012-12-13T04:10:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/12/man-boobz-readers-would-like-to-offer-support-for-a-voice-for-mens-doxxing-victims-in-toronto/comment-page-2/#comment-230793 |
If anyone has any messages for Sophia, the latest victim, I have a way I can pass them along to her. | 2012-12-12T20:02:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/12/mra-videoblogger-johntheother-hypocritical-defender-of-doxxing-doxxes-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-230634 |
Weeboy, could you email me? | 2012-12-12T13:34:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/12/mra-videoblogger-johntheother-hypocritical-defender-of-doxxing-doxxes-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-230509 |
Catching up here. 1) I want to buy a treadmill for my cats. 2) Yin-Yang bunnies, adorable. 3) Armadillos are clearly space aliens 4) Baby animals of the bearish sort, adorable. 5) Fidelbogen's new blog, also adorable in its own way. 6) There is indeed no prize for most boring troll, though many seem to be competing for the number one slot here. There will be a Top Troll 2012 though. 7) I don't know why the spam filter kept eating your comments, Pecunium, but I let the one you kept trying to post through. 8) Why the fuck am I awake now? It's 7 AM and I haven't gone to bed. |
2012-12-12T07:01:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/11/the-stuff-i-ban-chris-key-of-mens-rights-online-complains-about-feminazi-dykes-and-cts-using-foul-language/comment-page-4/#comment-230442 |
rty23, if you actually followed the links on that youtube video you linked us to, you'd see that the drug he's championing seems to cause sterility in a lot of the men who take it, and has other side effects. It's not this magical "reversable" form of birth control you think it is. | 2012-12-11T22:38:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/03/the-coming-single-mom-crime-apocalypse-not-really-a-thing/comment-page-6/#comment-230375 |
Yeah, I debated using the term "white knight," but in its pre-MRA incarnation it conveys what I wanted to convey, in a way that "patronizing," for example, doesn't. But yeah, the MRAs are sort of ruining the term for everyone. Not sure what the solution is. If I can think of another way to say it, I'll swap out "white knight" for it. | 2012-12-11T14:55:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/10/hey-its-some-men-against-assholes-and-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-229911 |
Just caught up on this thread, and I think Cloudiah's smelly discharge wins the thread! Wait, that didn't come out right. |
2012-12-11T13:51:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/10/the-mens-rights-movement-much-less-popular-than-horse-porn/comment-page-6/#comment-229893 |
Horse porn vs Voynich manuscript http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=horse%20porn%2C%20Voynich%20Manuscript&cmpt=q |
2012-12-10T22:56:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/10/the-mens-rights-movement-much-less-popular-than-horse-porn/comment-page-5/#comment-229720 |
Kittens vs butts: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=butts%2C%20kittens&cmpt=q |
2012-12-10T22:50:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/10/the-mens-rights-movement-much-less-popular-than-horse-porn/comment-page-5/#comment-229718 |
Feminist porn is MUCH more popular than men's rights activist porn. (Which actually has no results at all if you search for the phrase in quotes.) https://www.google.com/search?q=%22men%27s+rights+activist+porn%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Then again I' m pretty sure no one wants to see MRA porn. |
2012-12-10T19:09:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/10/the-mens-rights-movement-much-less-popular-than-horse-porn/comment-page-2/#comment-229494 |
Well, at least feminism is ALMOST as popular as horse porn. Men's rights isn't even close. | 2012-12-10T18:55:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/10/the-mens-rights-movement-much-less-popular-than-horse-porn/comment-page-2/#comment-229484 |
markjones, if the movement is growing, that would mean lots of new people would be curious about it. Wouldn't that lead to a lot of general searches for "men's rights" as they tried to learn about it and find sites they liked? | 2012-12-10T17:44:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/10/the-mens-rights-movement-much-less-popular-than-horse-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-229393 |
More fun with google trends: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22men%27s%20rights%22%2C%20manosphere%2C%20mgtow%2C%20%22my%20little%20pony%3A%20friendship%22&cmpt=q http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22men%27s%20rights%22&cmpt=q and my favorite: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22men%27s%20rights%22%2C%20%22horse%20porn%22&cmpt=q |
2012-12-10T13:21:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-2/#comment-229303 |
Cherrypicking the "rape" comments? The point isn't that ALL the comments are rape comments. It's that THERE ARE rape comments. If someone threatens the president and gets arrested, he can't say, "well, you'e cherrypicking my comments. Most of my comments aren't threats against the president." |
2012-12-10T10:47:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/08/a-voice-for-mens-attempts-to-find-and-publicize-the-personal-information-of-a-toronto-activist-could-threaten-that-young-womans-safety/comment-page-3/#comment-229273 |
Hmm. Maybe someone other than me should ask Farrell what he thinks of this. (Since I wrote about that incest interview of his, I doubt he'd respond to me.) | 2012-12-09T23:39:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-2/#comment-229204 |
Also: I have passed along the supportive emails I've been sent. I'm sure the recipient will appreciate them! | 2012-12-09T23:19:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-2/#comment-229198 |
I'm suspect that the guy who said that is affiliated with whoever was filming it, and that they were trying to set up a confrontation to film. | 2012-12-09T23:17:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-2/#comment-229197 |
Gateman, consider this thread off limits. | 2012-12-09T21:57:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/08/a-voice-for-mens-attempts-to-find-and-publicize-the-personal-information-of-a-toronto-activist-could-threaten-that-young-womans-safety/comment-page-3/#comment-229170 |
I think at this point I'm going to just declare that this thread is for supportive comments only. Gateman, I'm putting you on moderation. You can post elsewhere on this blog, on different topics, at some other time, but not on this and not here and not now. But please try to do a better job reading before posting. |
2012-12-09T21:54:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-2/#comment-229169 |
Tulgey, thanks for that. I forgot I banned, not just moderated, him. He's banned agian. | 2012-12-09T21:51:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/08/a-voice-for-mens-attempts-to-find-and-publicize-the-personal-information-of-a-toronto-activist-could-threaten-that-young-womans-safety/comment-page-3/#comment-229166 |
Also: ever wondered how to get yourself dozens of downvotes in the comments section over at AVFM? Here's how | 2012-12-09T21:13:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-229133 |
Everyone who wants to offer the targeted woman some support: I've been contacted by someone who says that's who she is. (I'm pretty sure it really is her.) If anyone wants to offer support, advice, help, etc. please email me and I will send it along to her, along with your email and any other info you want to include. (You can also do it anonymously, w/o sending along any of your personal info.) And of course feel free to post any general support in the thread here! |
2012-12-09T21:10:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-229130 |
Over on AVFM, our friend suz is gleefully posting about how the targeted woman is "on the run," so I'm going to go ahead and ban her here. | 2012-12-09T20:48:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-229120 |
Gateman, since the rest of Elam's post in which he says that is filled with thuggish threating language, which he is completely serious about, the "erection" line is only "jokey" in that it might not be literally true. Everyone, since I didn't make this clear in the OP, I just added this to it: Just to make clear, this woman is not the same woman that Elam and JohnTheOther were talking about in their previous posts; it's a different woman, who appears only briefly in that video. It's not clear if they have the other woman's info, but if not they are certainly still looking for it. |
2012-12-09T20:18:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-229094 |
damselindetech, do you know how to get in touch with her and/or anyone who could put me in touch with her? If so, or if anyone else reading this knows, please email me at my futrelle [[[at]]] well [[[[dot]]]] com address. Or pass my email along to them. Once I get more info I will email everyone here who's interested in reaching out so we can organize something, or at the very least get some messages of support to her. |
2012-12-09T20:10:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/09/mra-paul-elam-launches-a-hate-campaign-against-a-college-student-for-attending-a-demonstration-and-making-twitter-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-229083 |
Just click on the "subscription options" link in the email, then go to the page that opens up, click the name of the blog there and scroll to "unsubscribe" in the drop-down menu that says "bulk actions." | 2012-12-09T19:49:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/07/weve-reached-a-new-low-in-misogynistic-self-righteousness/comment-page-5/#comment-229073 |
Isn't there an unsubscribe link in the emails? | 2012-12-09T19:45:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/07/weve-reached-a-new-low-in-misogynistic-self-righteousness/comment-page-5/#comment-229071 |
Just put up a JohnTheOtter post! | 2012-12-08T23:31:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/08/johntheother-of-a-voice-for-men-seems-to-be-completely-losing-touch-with-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-228782 |
These posters are genius! Kitteh, can I use yours in a post? And maybe some of the others too? |
2012-12-08T23:13:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/08/johntheother-of-a-voice-for-men-seems-to-be-completely-losing-touch-with-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-228764 |
I am in favor of the cake initiative. | 2012-12-08T23:07:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/08/a-voice-for-mens-attempts-to-find-and-publicize-the-personal-information-of-a-toronto-activist-could-threaten-that-young-womans-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-228760 |
I admit that part of the reason I post kitty pics so often is that it seems to cause MRAs etc to lose their shit. I'd rather people not question driversuz' gender. It really doesnt' matter, in any case, as all she seems to do here is post meaningless snark and fairly standard issue MRA talking points. Speaking of which, it's worth pointing out (as feminists here and elsewhere have pointed out many times) that the Dear Colleague Letter in no way changes the standard of proof in actual criminal cases. It applies only to college disciplinary hearings, which are not courts of law. |
2012-12-08T21:04:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/07/weve-reached-a-new-low-in-misogynistic-self-righteousness/comment-page-4/#comment-228701 |
MordsithJ, I watched the whole thing too! When the whole "help Todd" bit was introduced I was hoping it would take a spooky paranormal turn. Well, I suppose it stll could, assuming the guy is still making videos. | 2012-12-06T21:21:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/06/splitsville-a-voice-for-men-and-bernard-chapin-are-having-a-sort-of-hilarious-feud/comment-page-1/#comment-228170 |
I'm giving Steele a little timeout. Not sure if/when I'll let him back. (Also, on an unrelated note, I took out that bit about papal infallibility in the OP.) |
2012-12-06T20:58:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/05/on-popes-pills-and-the-alpha-asshole-cock-carousel/comment-page-5/#comment-228166 |
I will buy MGTOW.com for a dollar (in pennies). | 2012-12-05T05:15:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/28/mgtower-women-are-like-a-bitter-medicine-that-you-force-yourself-to-swallow-because-you-believe-it-is-doing-you-good/comment-page-17/#comment-227491 |
Oops. It was "The Thinker" who was behind MGTOW.com. My apologies to Bob. |
2012-12-04T21:33:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/28/mgtower-women-are-like-a-bitter-medicine-that-you-force-yourself-to-swallow-because-you-believe-it-is-doing-you-good/comment-page-16/#comment-227251 |
Bob, one of the reasons that breakups often seem to come out of the blue is that the dissatisfied party has been trying their best to smooth over differences in order to try to make it work and sometimes even denying to themselves that there are problems. At some point they may realize that this is not going to work. If they've been denying the problems to themselves it can be as much of a shock to them as it is to the people they end up breaking up with.
I've been in that situation as the breaker-upper. I came to my realization of the impossiblility of going forward with the relationship over the course of a weekend. The woman in question felt I had wronged her by breaking up without making elaborate efforts to work things out, but it was clear to me that was impossible. She demanded to know why I broke up with her and I was evasive about this, and focused on the ways in which I wasn't right for her, because telling her the whole truth would have deeply hurt her feelings.
Instead of nursing this grudge -- and extending it to all women -- you really need to get some therapy to work through it.
Taking down mgtow.com might be a good start towards working through all this. The site is a pretty clear reflection of the misogyny and bitterness that's festering in you -- and which you deny here that you feel.
As long as you maintain a site featuring stuff like this, you're not ready to date women, or to live a happy life, really:
NAWALT means Not All Women Are Like That In every group there are exceptions. Many men believe that there is 1% of women that are different then 99% of them. This can very well be true. For example: 1% of people are believed to be immune to hiv. Unfortunately finding this 1% is as dangerous as it is finding one eatable berry among 100 identical poisonous berries by tasting.It's bizarre to me that you can put up a site featuring stuff like this, yet claim here that you're not a misogynist. EDITED TO ADD: OOPS. Bob has nothing to do with MGTOW.com. That was another commenter called The Thinker. My apologies to Bob. |
2012-12-04T17:53:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/28/mgtower-women-are-like-a-bitter-medicine-that-you-force-yourself-to-swallow-because-you-believe-it-is-doing-you-good/comment-page-14/#comment-227086 |
Suz, manosphere dudes (and many social conservatives) tend to talk in apocalyptic terms about single mothers destroying society -- through crime or by "bleeding" the state through welfare payments. But crime is declining, and until the recent financial crisis/recession, which caused a spike in welfare payments as a % of GDP, welfare spending by this metric has been on the decline since spiking in the mid-70s. And as the economy improves, forecasters expect welfare as a % of GDP to plummet. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1970_2012USp_13s1li011mcn_40t that's through 2012. here's a chart including projections through 2017: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1970_2017USp_13s1li011mcn_40t There's no apocalypse coming. |
2012-12-04T11:44:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/03/the-coming-single-mom-crime-apocalypse-not-really-a-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-226946 |
Oh jeez I just read the whole fucking thread. I have various thoughts but most of the points I would make have already been made and I'm sort of hoping we can all move on now. Thanks, Cloudiah, Katz, etc for the gifs. |
2012-12-04T02:16:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/28/mgtower-women-are-like-a-bitter-medicine-that-you-force-yourself-to-swallow-because-you-believe-it-is-doing-you-good/comment-page-13/#comment-226878 |
Zarat, if you had actually read my post on Farrell, instead of simply pretending that you did, you would know that Farrell onlu claimed that ONE WORD in that interview was misquoted. I discussed that in the piece, and presented the quote using the word he claimed that he'd originally said. It didn't actually change the meaning of the quote much. Also, I quoted pretty much everything he said in the interview. I wasn't selective. I'd be curious to see how exactly you might explain all those other quotes in it, the stuff he's never denied saying. Also also, he made a few passing comments about incest in The Myth of Male Power, and they suggest that his views on incest/abuse remained seriously fucked even after he'd become a MRA. And as far as I know he's never actually renounced what he said back then, except for claiming that literally one word in the interview was misquoted. And on his feminism: while I'm not big on the whole No True Sctosman thing, and I think almost everyone who calls themselves a feminist counts as a feminist, even if I violently disagree with them about lots of things, I'm pretty sure that anyone who says that he's baffled as to why so many women don't look back fondly on their fathers abusing them, especially since their dads seem to have enoyed it, and therefore a lot of these women must be lying -- well, once you say something like that, you're not a feminist any more. |
2012-12-03T18:11:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/02/man-boobz-ex-troll-anthony-zarat-has-some-good-news-and-some-bad-news/comment-page-1/#comment-226581 |
or does Mr. Futrelle have an acting career?No, I'm pretty sure that's Anna Faris. . |
2012-12-03T02:30:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/12/02/man-boobz-ex-troll-anthony-zarat-has-some-good-news-and-some-bad-news/comment-page-1/#comment-226326 |
Oh lordy, multiple meltdowns. Just to clarify: 1) Steele, you weren't on moderation. I put the word "vile" in the moderation filter as a little joke. Other people's comments got caught by it as well. I thnk I let everything through in the end. 2) Diogenes, I didn't delete your comment. The spam filter (which is different from the moderation filter) caught it. I don't know why. I just let it through, and it can be found here: http://manboobz.com/2012/11/30/three-links-to-destroy-your-faith-in-humanity/comment-page-3/#comment-225682 3) Ideologue, Shaenon is not Amanda Marcotte. I have no idea why you would think she was. Google her name if you want to find out who Shaenon really is. (Hint: Her real name starts with Shaenon.) |
2012-12-02T00:42:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/30/three-links-to-destroy-your-faith-in-humanity/comment-page-4/#comment-225779 |
Uh, loggy, how exactly is it hypocritical tp bring up something you wrote 3 years ago after you bring up something Amanda wrote 5 years ago? Can you explain your math here? | 2012-12-01T21:54:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/30/three-links-to-destroy-your-faith-in-humanity/comment-page-3/#comment-225680 |
Huh, the creator of "preggo punchout" is suggesting that Amanda Marcotte is being tactless in her discussion of human reproduction? | 2012-12-01T21:35:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/30/three-links-to-destroy-your-faith-in-humanity/comment-page-2/#comment-225667 |
Still more data on DV can be found here: http://manboobz.blogspot.com/p/not-so-great-debate-on-domestic.html http://manboobz.blogspot.com/2010/11/further-reading-domestic-violence.html |
2012-12-01T21:32:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/30/three-links-to-destroy-your-faith-in-humanity/comment-page-2/#comment-225666 |
I just put the word "vile" in the moderation filter. Let's see what happens. | 2012-12-01T15:12:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/27/mens-rights-posters-now-officially-sillier-than-their-parodies/comment-page-10/#comment-225590 |
Sorry about your gran, Shadow. I've done a big UPDATE to the post; Elam's being torn apart in the comments section by a commenter named Amanda -- see above for highlights and links. |
2012-11-30T23:56:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/30/update-ladies-still-destroying-the-world-with-reckless-buying-of-lady-things/comment-page-2/#comment-225460 |
Maude, there are numerous studies (all using the same problematic DV measuring technique) that suggest women and men are "equal" perps of DV, but in determining that "equality" they essentially treat all violence as the same -- so a onetime slap in the face from a woman is essentially counted the same as repeated beatings that put a woman in the hospital. Women are far more likely to end up in the hospital because of DV than men are. There's also one study I know of that suggests under certain conditions women are more likely to instigate DV; MRAs are likely citing this study out of context to get the "women are more responsible" claim. More here: http://manboobz.blogspot.com/p/not-so-great-debate-on-domestic.html http://manboobz.blogspot.com/2010/11/further-reading-domestic-violence.html |
2012-11-30T13:53:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/30/three-links-to-destroy-your-faith-in-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-225199 |
chuckee, for centuries many professions (at least in the west) had 100% white male quotas, in that no one but white men was allowed in them. Do you doubt the achievements of the white men in these fields because of that? I'm sort of guessing the answer is no. Also, I made a poster, and I'm putting it here because it involves the evils of candles and throw pillows and a lovely quote from judgybitch: http://manboobz.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/posterjudgybitches.jpg |
2012-11-30T03:52:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/29/save-the-dude-planet-or-paul-elam-yells-at-the-ladies-for-buying-lady-crap/comment-page-4/#comment-225069 |
No, Judgy Bitch seems to be utterly sincere, unless her blog is all an elaborate hoax as well. | 2012-11-29T15:56:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/29/save-the-dude-planet-or-paul-elam-yells-at-the-ladies-for-buying-lady-crap/comment-page-2/#comment-224792 |
I think the MRA argument about rape fantasies is that the idea of "rape culture" is all a fantasy dreamed up by women who love rape fantasies. I'm pretty sure I've seen this argued on AVFM and possibly the old False Rape Society. And Girl Writes What, possibly. | 2012-11-29T15:55:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/29/save-the-dude-planet-or-paul-elam-yells-at-the-ladies-for-buying-lady-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-224791 |
It's been pointed out that my poster was a bit trans-erasurey, so I've improved it again: http://manboobz.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/posterreprobee.jpg |
2012-11-28T19:11:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/27/mens-rights-posters-now-officially-sillier-than-their-parodies/comment-page-7/#comment-224609 |
I decided that my original design (cough) made it too hard to read JtO's fine writing, so I updated it: http://manboobz.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/posterrepro3.jpg Also, Creative, ouch! |
2012-11-28T18:36:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/27/mens-rights-posters-now-officially-sillier-than-their-parodies/comment-page-7/#comment-224595 |
They come in all sizes, plus you can get them as hoodies, aprons, baby onesies, etc etc.! | 2012-11-28T18:27:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/28/t-shirt-sale-one-day-only/comment-page-1/#comment-224588 |
I maked a poster also! with the help of some text borrowed from JohnTheOther. http://manboobz.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/poreproduced2.jpg |
2012-11-28T18:20:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/27/mens-rights-posters-now-officially-sillier-than-their-parodies/comment-page-6/#comment-224582 |
Cloudiah, when is Hitler Cupcake Day this year? I always forget. | 2012-11-28T16:13:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/27/mens-rights-posters-now-officially-sillier-than-their-parodies/comment-page-6/#comment-224527 |
Joe, you've used up your quota of "misandrist bigot" for the day. Heck, week. Try to restrain yourself a little or you go in moderation. | 2012-11-28T16:11:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/27/mens-rights-posters-now-officially-sillier-than-their-parodies/comment-page-6/#comment-224526 |
Is there a word for men who curry chicken and deliver it to my apartment at 2:30 in the morning? Or, even better, a phone number? | 2012-11-27T02:36:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2010/09/28/aint-that-a-shaming-tactic/comment-page-1/#comment-223992 |
All this talk of currying has made me hungry for Indian food. Which reminds me: Keevo, when MRAs call me fat is this shaming language? What about when they depict me as an enormously fat, self-flagellating "mangina" http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JLj0ADNGP-w/T9_e4fiYKXI/AAAAAAAAAik/RfdVDrKxX7o/s1600/mangina.jpg I'm pretty sure "mangina" there isn't being used as a neutral descriptive term. Also, I'm pretty sure it's not a real word that means anything to anyone outside the MRM. (And insofar as it does, it means something totally different than what you guys say it means.) |
2012-11-27T02:29:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2010/09/28/aint-that-a-shaming-tactic/comment-page-1/#comment-223989 |
Also, I've banned a certain other recent troll whom I'm about 99% sure was a certain other oft-banned former troll. | 2012-11-27T02:19:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/25/new-post-tomorrow/comment-page-2/#comment-223987 |
Sorry to be AWOL again today; sometimes I just hit my limit with misogynist creepoids and have to clear my brain with Hitchcock movies and Doomsday Preppers (which I may now be sick of) and by making mixtapes. There will be a new post tomorrow, though (well, later today), and you can take that to the bank! (Don't blame me if the people at the bank look at you funny, though.) In the meantime, I'm glad Cloudiah has pointed you to a new troll to play with. |
2012-11-27T02:17:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/25/new-post-tomorrow/comment-page-2/#comment-223985 |
Keevo: "Pompous twit" has an "objective definition" as well, and can be supported with empirical evidence as well -- for example, your comment above. | 2012-11-26T02:01:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2010/09/28/aint-that-a-shaming-tactic/comment-page-1/#comment-223729 |
reymohammed, not cool at all. I deleted the comment. | 2012-11-25T22:12:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/23/innovative-new-bread-metaphor-explains-why-most-women-are-stale-and-moldy/comment-page-4/#comment-223701 |
FWIW, Roosh is apparently 33, though apparently men don't get moldy, just women. http://www.rooshv.com/bio |
2012-11-23T19:17:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/23/innovative-new-bread-metaphor-explains-why-most-women-are-stale-and-moldy/comment-page-1/#comment-223288 |
Boo headaches! I had a migraine today myself, only partially handled by my migraine meds. I have no good suggestions on how best to deal with headaches other than to try a lot of stuff until you find something that works, more or less. They're tough. Kitteh, I know that antidepressants aren't for everyone, but in my case antidepressants really and truly transformed my life and made it much, much better. Not perfect, by any means, but notably better. I was skeptical when I first started taking them, but when they kicked in it was a though a thick fog of gloom had lifted. (Though you might have to try several before you find one that works for you.) |
2012-11-22T22:00:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/22/thanksgiving-break-with-kittens/comment-page-1/#comment-223142 |
Driversuz, you will be happy to know that I plan to do more posts on Warren Farrell and his more recent writings. This requires no "investigative journalism" on my part; his readily-available books are filled to overflowing with statements that are terrible, wrong, and often just weird. | 2012-11-22T16:17:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/21/what-mens-rights-guru-warren-farrell-actually-said-about-the-allegedly-positive-aspects-of-incest-note-its-even-more-repugnant-than-that-sounds/comment-page-3/#comment-223095 |
Evito, so sorry you had to go through all that. And thank you for sharing the story. I did get your email, and I've been meaning to get back to you. I know you were looking for good "intro to feminism" sort of stuff; I think the folks here can help out with that as well. |
2012-11-22T16:11:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/21/what-mens-rights-guru-warren-farrell-actually-said-about-the-allegedly-positive-aspects-of-incest-note-its-even-more-repugnant-than-that-sounds/comment-page-3/#comment-223094 |
Christine Armstrong is indeed a real person; I've spoken to her, and I exchange emails with her from time to time. She hasn't posted anything *here* for a while but rest assured Elam hasn't shut her up or stopped her from working to fight domestic violence.
Also, some MRA named "J" cut and pasted the following rant about the Warren Farrell thing into a comment in the "comments policy" topic, somehow oblivious to the fact that this topic exists. He posted it on a bunch of MR blogs as well. But what the heck, if anyone feels like reading or responding to it, here it is. I've only skimmed it.
As a typical apologetic Canadian I must apologize deeply for the appalling behavior of my fellow Canadians last weekend in Toronto. The terrorist behavior proved to the world that Canada is plagued by violent intolerant bigoted criminal gangs like Hitler’s brown shirts and the equivalent fascist black shirts in England. The rioters are gangs of demented thugs cruising thru society looking to beat the crap out of anyone not of their political ilk so everyone is terrified to have a different view than these dangerous psycho oppressors. Please forgive me for the length of this note as I attempt to wrap my head around this complex and draconian issue. Misandry is fairly new to me. Upon discovering this issue my conscious and lack of knowledge compelled me to research misandry further. What I have found is that misandry forms the central pillar of Canadian social control programs (SCPs). I compared SCPs from other countries to ours. The strongest comparison was Hitler’s SCP of anti-Semitism as is described in his book Mein Kampf, My Struggle, in which he dehumanizes the targets of his SCP. The naive acceptance of such demented social values is exactly what my relatives reported they saw in Europe leading up to WW2. Millions died fighting against these values and many millions more suffered from the atrocities caused by accepting these values because societies just let such great evil happen. Misandrists in Canada often take pride in being labeled as Nazis as this acknowledges the heightened level of their absolute power in Canadian society, along with their commensurate elite social status, state funding and privileges. The inflammatory labels Hitler branded the future human sacrifices of his SCP, Jews in this case, are virtually identical to the language used by misandrists in Canada. Use of such language is deemed as hate crimes in Canada. That is unless it is used against men like it was used against Jews in Germany in a strategy to demonize, dehumanize and persecute humans like animals. Based on historical comparisons, such as with McCarthyism, the Soviet Union’s Gulags and Canadian aboriginal residential school SCPs, to name a few, it is clear that the fate of current Canadian SCP victims is likely to get a lot worse before it gets better. Clearly the persecution stage is far from being stamped out and just about to get started. The criminal justice system is littered with wrongfully accused cases involving men, like David Milgaard, and virtually none involving women. These state sponsored atrocities increasingly plague our entirely corrupt Kleptocratic Canadian criminal justice system. The hate propaganda spewed by misandrists in Canada mirrors Hitler’s view that “I see no reason why man should not be as cruel to man as nature is”. The latter quotation defines the values of the Canadian criminal justice system. Men are routinely wrongfully and knowingly accused with the male innocents then being subjected to planned obscene human rights atrocities committed by our criminal justice system. These usually mild mannered meek innocents are routinely beaten, raped, etc. at the behest of the system. Studies have proven that sex accusations against men are false anywhere from 25% to 75% of the time. An exploding industry is the growth of the wrongly accused business. Lawyers and human rights groups attempt to come to grips with the system’s growing widespread atrocities that are blatant, extreme, and fraudulent systemic fabrications of fictional crimes. These state sponsored and orchestrated atrocities are created to feed a steady supply of innocent victims into the system. These victims are human sacrifices that are abused in order to steal increasingly large amounts of society’s resources to profit the criminal justice system cronies and their ilk. This increasing and reckless spending occurs at a time when statistics prove that crime is declining significantly. Misandry corruption has led to the establishment of a wealthy and well-entrenched Canadian kleptocracy for feminist special interest groups and other misandrists funded and/or enabled by the state, such as the criminal justice system. Kleptocracy, “rule by thieves”, is a form of political and government corruption where the government exists to increase the personal wealth and political power of its officials and the ruling class at the expense of the wider population, often without pretense of honest service. The corrupt Canadian criminal justice system and misandrists make no pretense of being remotely honest. My relatives said the same thing happened in Europe with Germany’s entirely corrupted people’s court. Also, special interest groups of the day drove home their complete disregard for honesty. The brown and black shirts did it violently while the Nazi funded English pledge for peace groups refused to pass judgement on Hitler’s oppression in Germany and elsewhere such as Czechoslovakia. Those who attacked Warren’s presentation in Toronto last weekend were state sponsored terrorists for whom honesty is completely irrelevant. Promulgating male truths by Warren, no matter how unassociated with misandry and feminism, may eventually compromise the misandrist’s Kleptocratic status and benefits. Many sex charge related cases are fabricated and kleptocratic as Milgaard found where crown witnesses were paid to lie. I would be surprised to hear anything other than that the authorities such as the university, government special interest funding departments, criminal justice system, etc., all condoned and enabled the behavior to date by ensuring that their terrorist acts go consequence free. So far my suspicions have been confirmed. My grandparents left Europe after WW1 because they believed that those in charge would make war all over again in their lifetime. Sadly, they were correct. By those in charge they meant the wealthy and powerful that created Hitler. Gramps meant the tycoons and politicians such as the Henry Fords, DuPonts, Krupps, JP Gettys, IBMs, King of England, etc were bestowed the highest medal Nazi Germany could bestow. Hitler personally bestowed the Grand Cross of the German Eagle upon these monsters. This made the Olympic gold medals Jessie Owens won in Germany under Hitler’s psychotic glare incredibly special to the world and history. My gramps believed that war was highly profitable for such tycoons who were personally responsible for the war crimes and related unimaginable suffering. The same applies in our current Canadian society with regards to the obvious links between misandry SCPs and kleptocracy beneficiaries. In terms of explaining why our Canadian society has embraced misandry en masse, I found understanding from the book: On fighting, killing, and dying : the secret World War II transcripts of German POWs by author Neitzel, Sönke. This explains how Germany’s normal families, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. became blood thirsty zombie butchers as a result of Hitler’s SCPs. Canada has adopted the same SCPs standard with misandry replacing Hitler’s anti-Semitism and anti-anyone not Aryan. At this point I have read a summary of this book and hope to read it all when it becomes available from the local library. The psychotic violent mob at Warren’s presentation is the same ilk as the German brown shirt gangs attacking Jews and anyone else that may be any threat, or just propose a different view, to Hitler’s sadistic values. Hitler’s anti-Semitism standard is alive and prospering in Canada in the form of misandry because both Hitler’s and Canada’s SCPs have the same dehumanizing and demented characteristics that are very well and extensively documented. “Those who don’t know history are destined to repeat it.”Edmund Burke “The spectacle (McCarthyism) is one we would expect in a totalitarian nation where the rights of the individual are crushed beneath the juggernaut of statism and oppression; it has no place in America where government exists to serve people, not to destroy them” President Harry S. Truman. “You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” Winston Churchill |
2012-11-22T00:03:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/21/what-mens-rights-guru-warren-farrell-actually-said-about-the-allegedly-positive-aspects-of-incest-note-its-even-more-repugnant-than-that-sounds/comment-page-1/#comment-222921 |
bewilderness, if you were baffled by my comment, this video will explain it (and katz' comment too): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuCNAwXGaQ |
2012-11-21T01:38:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/20/masculine-digit-ratios-come-hither-wickers-and-careerist-shrike-tankgrrl-females-heartiste-weighs-in-on-the-petreaus-scandal/comment-page-2/#comment-222745 |
Bulbous. | 2012-11-21T00:28:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/20/masculine-digit-ratios-come-hither-wickers-and-careerist-shrike-tankgrrl-females-heartiste-weighs-in-on-the-petreaus-scandal/comment-page-2/#comment-222733 |
All right then. I'm cutting him off. He can find somewhere else to troll. | 2012-11-20T18:52:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-25/#comment-222621 |
Hmm. I'm sort of inclined to let him stay (he's on moderation but I let most of his comments through). But i could be convinced to ban him if enough people are sick of his crap. Or maybe we need some sort of challenge for him. Only let through comments if he does x or doesn't do y, or something. |
2012-11-20T18:28:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-25/#comment-222604 |
NOT ONE OF YOU called out this gender-shaming BS!That's true. MORE THAN ONE person called it out. Go back and reread the comments. Here’s an idea – if you want to know what Girlwriteswhat and Typhonblue’s motivation is – WHY DON’T YOU ASK THEM!? or, even read / watch their outputIt's true, I haven't read that much of either of them, nor watched more than a handful of their videos, largely because 1) GWW is one of the longest-winded people on planet earth. I know she said some horrible shit in one of her recent videos but I haven't written about it because her video is 45 fucking minutes long. 2) TyphonBlue is off on her own little planet; I can only take her in small doses because so little of what she says makes any sense by normal human standards. |
2012-11-19T18:23:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/15/high-on-a-hill-was-a-lonely-fem-herd/comment-page-4/#comment-222175 |
Some belated thoughts on Hitchens. Hitchens was an eloquent writer and a sharp polemicist with an impressive array of knowledge and a good memory. He was also a hack. Like some other people here, I used to like Hitchens a lot, maybe 20 years ago. After 9/11, he became pretty much insufferable. The reason he was a hack was that at some point he just decided to coast on his ability to string phrases together (and pop in erudite references from time to time). All of his writings were obviously just dashed off without a lick of research or thought. I've read book reviews of his in which it was abundantly clear he hadn't actually read the book in question; he'd just glanced at it, maybe skimmed the intro, and tried to cover up his lack of work by riffing on shit vaguely related to the book. His book on religion was little more than a stream-of-consciousness rant, with him spewing forth various thoughts he's accumulated on the subject over his life (whether they had any relevance to the issues he was supposedly dealing with or not). He had a good memory, but clearly did zero research, and the book is an incoherent mess. Though as always he could toss out a few clever phrases and classical references from time to time to disguise the lack of substance. In the end there wasn't much more to him than the contrarian persona he developed early in his career. |
2012-11-19T18:14:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/18/atheist-bigwig-sam-harris-if-i-could-wave-a-magic-wand-and-get-rid-of-either-rape-or-religion-i-would-not-hesitate-to-get-rid-of-religion/comment-page-3/#comment-222166 |
I think we should move on from this topic. If LBT wants to bring up any of these issues, that's one thing, but I'm not sure it's really any of our business otherwise. | 2012-11-18T17:57:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/16/wherever-i-turn-there-is-a-pair-of-titties-mocking-me-looking-at-me-with-its-poking-eyes-and-other-actual-pua-txts/comment-page-5/#comment-221726 |
Well, Thermos isn't using any of the IPs of old trolls, nor do his IPs point to anywhere near any old trolls' locations. But on his various visits here they have pointed to places nowhere near one another, so I'm going to ban him unless he can give me two locations that he's posted from in the past, and explain why he was there. (You can email this to me, Thermos, if you don't want to make this public.) |
2012-11-17T02:54:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/15/high-on-a-hill-was-a-lonely-fem-herd/comment-page-3/#comment-221396 |
Judgy, who's dismissing the MRM "out of hand?" I've been reading MRAs every day since starting this blog 2 years ago -- which I started after near-daily reading of MRAs for a year. I've probably read ten times as much MR material than you have -- as have many of this blog's regular readers. I dismiss the MRM because the overwhelming majority of MRAs (at least those who post online) are whiny, entitiled, delusional, woman-hating babies. Even the few who aren't blatantly misogynistic are whiny, entitled and delusional. | 2012-11-16T20:05:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/15/high-on-a-hill-was-a-lonely-fem-herd/comment-page-2/#comment-221180 |
That is not a zinger-that is just sad.That's not a Zinger! It's not even a Twinkie! ZIIINNNGGG!! Of course, for this to work as a zinger, you have to sort of assume that everyone thinks zingers are better than twinkies. Which they are, btw. Though we might not have either in the future, as Hostess (responsible for both Twinking and Zingers) is threatening to liquidate itself. (Though presumably some competitor will move in to snap up the Twinkie/Zinger biz. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/whos-to-blame-for-the-hostess-bankruptcy-wall-street-unions-or-carbs/265357/ |
2012-11-16T17:54:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/16/wherever-i-turn-there-is-a-pair-of-titties-mocking-me-looking-at-me-with-its-poking-eyes-and-other-actual-pua-txts/comment-page-1/#comment-221123 |
she claims that men are responsible for “most of the physical work of sex”.Uh, that sort of depends on what kinds of sex you're having, doesn't it? But even if this were true, how fucking ridiculous is it to see this as some sort of oppression of men. Oh dear, I have to thrust my penis both in and out of this vagina! What an outrage! Misandry! I'm mean, I'm pretty lazy, but how fucking lazy do you have to be to see this as oppression? Are there really any guys out there that do? Or is TB just working herself into a lather over something she assumes guys feel oppressed about (or should)? I'm guessing the latter; that's sort of her style. (Obviously there are guys who have physical impediments that make it difficult or impossible to do what TB calls "the physical work of sex," but clearly that's not what she's talking about.) I should probably read the rest of that post. TB is sort of on her own planet. |
2012-11-16T17:45:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/15/high-on-a-hill-was-a-lonely-fem-herd/comment-page-2/#comment-221119 |
Cloudiah, speaking of your blog, someone made a video featuring those posters you/we/I did to help out the fellas at AVFM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui_JSj3ZUZY&feature=plcp |
2012-11-15T00:42:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/13/as-men-force-is-the-greatest-weapon-we-have-we-must-use-it-says-racist-manosphere-asshat/comment-page-4/#comment-220725 |
Also, in case anyone is wondering, there are something like 160 million Muslims in India, making up about 13% of the population. In Pakistan, where Muslims make up something like 95-97% of the population, there are 180-185 million Muslims. So because India is so much more populous, there are nearly as many Muslims in that overwhemlingly Hindu country as there are in the even-more-overwhelmingly Muslim Pakistan. (I got the numbers from Wikipedia.) |
2012-11-14T23:02:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/13/as-men-force-is-the-greatest-weapon-we-have-we-must-use-it-says-racist-manosphere-asshat/comment-page-4/#comment-220701 |
Congrats, Master Cloudiah! And kudos to BigMomma and Kim and the rescuers of Cheeto. And all rescuers/fosterers of kitties! Also, whatshername Pickle turns out to have been the reincarnation of an old troll, so I'm ushering her out the door. Thanks, hellkell, for your acute troll-spotting abilities. |
2012-11-14T22:53:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/13/as-men-force-is-the-greatest-weapon-we-have-we-must-use-it-says-racist-manosphere-asshat/comment-page-4/#comment-220699 |
"First they came for the small penises ... " | 2012-11-13T11:19:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/12/zed-the-mgtower-feminism-and-women-have-been-proceeding-on-the-unshakable-belief-that-men-are-still-going-to-want-and-care-about-them-no-matter-how-awful-they-get/comment-page-1/#comment-220355 |
I don't understand the O'Bama thing either. Right wingers also thought it was hilarious to refer to Al Gore as Algore; not sure why that was supposed to be funny either. | 2012-11-13T06:04:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/10/what-men-are-saying-about-women-tunnel-envisioned-females-re-elect-feminist-wimp-plan-to-take-more-of-mens-money/comment-page-2/#comment-220316 |
Sunshinemary, why would you be interested in logical arguments? You're a woman, and according to Mr Skillet, women "usually don’t make decisions based on reason." | 2012-11-10T01:42:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/09/romney-defeated-by-sluts/comment-page-2/#comment-219662 |
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3rpu1p/ | 2012-11-09T15:01:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/09/romney-defeated-by-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-219539 |
Speaking of memes, and evil slut voters, Heartiste is promoting this new meme: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/thanks-suffrage/ http://www.quickmeme.com/thanks-suffrage/?upcoming These guys don't really "get" humor, do they? |
2012-11-09T14:30:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/09/romney-defeated-by-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-219519 |
That post still makes my brain hurt trying to figure out the logic.I had to move some of the quotes around in order to make this make any kind of sense. MRAs always complain that I distort what they write. They never give me credit for the hard work I do trying to make their badly written, badly organized rants even vaguely coherent. |
2012-11-09T14:25:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/09/romney-defeated-by-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-219513 |
Thanks to those who pointed me to this post! This would have gone up yesterday but I was too wiped out to write it. | 2012-11-09T14:18:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/09/romney-defeated-by-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-219509 |
Two more videos. Watch these simultaneously! Drunken right winger ranting about the election: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoqti0lzAw&has_verified=1 And Theme from a Summer Place by Percy Faith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSsiS-v6_6M |
2012-11-08T04:14:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/07/on-fox-news-the-painful-realization-that-white-dudes-are-no-longer-the-center-of-everything/comment-page-2/#comment-219288 |
Oy. I really don't want every topic here to become Angela's Slavery Show. Angela, if you want to really and truly participate in an actual discussion here, you need to take in what the people you're arguing with are actually saying. People here are being short with you because they're frustrated that you don't listen. I'm putting slavery into the fairly short list of Things Not to Be Discussed Further on Man Boobz. Let's all move on. |
2012-11-07T22:12:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/07/on-fox-news-the-painful-realization-that-white-dudes-are-no-longer-the-center-of-everything/comment-page-2/#comment-219267 |
FWIW, it looks like Obama is going to win the popular vote as well -- Nate SIlver of fivethirtyeight says that once every vote is counted Obama will probably end up winning by 2-3 points. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/who-won-the-popular-vote-2012_n_2087038.html http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/06/live-blog-the-2012-presidential-election/ Romney was ahead in the popular vote count earlier, but that was mainly b/c west coast votes weren't all in yet. |
2012-11-07T06:09:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/06/election-day-open-thread-plus-some-inane-crap-from-heartiste-on-the-single-white-woman-vote/comment-page-3/#comment-219088 |
For your amusement, here's how Donald Trump's night went. (And he deleted the tweets in which he called for revolution.) https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/donald_trump_loses_it_calls_for_revolution/ |
2012-11-07T04:28:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/06/election-day-open-thread-plus-some-inane-crap-from-heartiste-on-the-single-white-woman-vote/comment-page-3/#comment-219082 |
I'm here! But now I have to write a piece I put off while I was watching the election returns. | 2012-11-07T04:25:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/06/election-day-open-thread-plus-some-inane-crap-from-heartiste-on-the-single-white-woman-vote/comment-page-3/#comment-219081 |
And Ohio is called for Obama ... he's over the top. | 2012-11-06T22:16:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/06/election-day-open-thread-plus-some-inane-crap-from-heartiste-on-the-single-white-woman-vote/comment-page-2/#comment-219034 |
Looks like Obama's got it. Also, Todd Akin is outta there. |
2012-11-06T21:18:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/06/election-day-open-thread-plus-some-inane-crap-from-heartiste-on-the-single-white-woman-vote/comment-page-2/#comment-219022 |
Voted! No line, no demand for ID. The voting "machine" (ie, little table thing with privacy screens and a little light) next to the one I was using collapsed, though. |
2012-11-06T16:44:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/06/election-day-open-thread-plus-some-inane-crap-from-heartiste-on-the-single-white-woman-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-218963 |
MKlein, you're fine. The word "retarded" is in the filter b/c of a troll or two who were overly fond of using it, but I let your comment through. | 2012-11-04T01:29:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2010/12/11/women-are-part-4-retarded-children-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-218344 |
Ooh! pdf versions of some Spire Christian Comics classics! http://www.carpsplace.com/spire/spire.htm |
2012-11-02T16:02:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/01/comics-break-all-girls-are-good-for-is-knittin-an-neckin-and-satan/comment-page-2/#comment-218079 |
Important news from the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-20151566 |
2012-11-02T07:52:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/01/bill-oreilly-ogles-the-single-woman-voter/comment-page-1/#comment-218034 |
This is probably the most melodramatic of them all. Also, racism. http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0019/0019_01.asp |
2012-11-01T22:39:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/01/comics-break-all-girls-are-good-for-is-knittin-an-neckin-and-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-217969 |
Pillowinhell, behold the majesty of Jack Chick and his cartoon tracts! https://www.chick.com/default.asp |
2012-11-01T21:28:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/11/01/comics-break-all-girls-are-good-for-is-knittin-an-neckin-and-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-217938 |
Whoo! I'm Number One!!! It's actually sort of cool to see those old pieces of mine available online -- including a couple from the 1980s. (I'm really old.) Not sure how the author of that piece concluded that any of them reflect views that are the "polar opposite" of what I believe now. Different, maybe, because most of the pieces in that archive were written 15-20 years ago. I forgot who asked the question, but there have been a couple of Man Boobz meetups -- in Toronto, in Boston, and I think another place or two. None in Chicago, though, because I'm a terrible organizer. |
2012-11-01T19:23:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/31/contraceptives-make-us-all-passive-aggressive-arguers-says-passive-aggressive-arguer/comment-page-4/#comment-217869 |
Nomless/Dipshitzu is re-banned, then. | 2012-10-31T17:04:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/31/contraceptives-make-us-all-passive-aggressive-arguers-says-passive-aggressive-arguer/comment-page-1/#comment-217519 |
Also, I read the Comments Policy and have posted several comments that do not violate the official commenting policy…..So why am I still on moderation, EH?Because you're a sockpuppet. Everyone: did I ban Nomless outright, or just put him on moderation? I can't remember. Because this is him again. |
2012-10-31T16:34:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/31/contraceptives-make-us-all-passive-aggressive-arguers-says-passive-aggressive-arguer/comment-page-1/#comment-217504 |
Glad the East coasters here escaped major damage! The East coast Futrelles are all fine, including my sister in Manhattan. (While big chunks of NYC are underwater, other parts were relatively unscathed.) What a gigantic mess. Cleanup is going to take a long time. |
2012-10-30T17:05:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/28/hurricane-sandy-open-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-217262 |
I've put Otis on permanant moderation and won't let through any more of his crap in this or any thread. NWO is also on permanant moderation, though I usually let through his comments because no one takes anything he says seriously. But I'll keep him out of this thread. | 2012-10-29T23:31:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/28/hurricane-sandy-open-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-217160 |
The flooding in NYC is already getting pretty bad. This pic is positively surreal: http://instagram.com/p/RYnio1s6gf/ |
2012-10-29T19:18:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/28/hurricane-sandy-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-217034 |
Sweetie Pie is growing like crazy. She's probably 7-8 pounds already. | 2012-10-29T17:26:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/29/manosphere-civil-war-avfm-fires-back-at-the-mgtow-rebels-also-kitty-pics/comment-page-1/#comment-216991 |
I couldn't bring myself to read all of schticky's comment (assuming it's him, which seems likely). But I like that Elam pops up to explain how he gave up the word "mangina" a long time ago. Uh, dude: http://www.avoiceformen.com/?s=mangina |
2012-10-29T17:19:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/29/manosphere-civil-war-avfm-fires-back-at-the-mgtow-rebels-also-kitty-pics/comment-page-1/#comment-216986 |
EEB, thanks for the info; some of your comments got caught by the spam filter but I let them through -- they're up here, if anyone wants to know more about the Quiverfull stuff: http://manboobz.com/2012/10/28/melodramatic-mgtower-though-they-may-deny-it-women-are-in-essence-overgrown-children-crying-out-for-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-216855 |
2012-10-29T04:17:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/28/melodramatic-mgtower-though-they-may-deny-it-women-are-in-essence-overgrown-children-crying-out-for-leadership/comment-page-2/#comment-216882 |
Melody, that's awful. So sorry. | 2012-10-29T00:43:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/28/melodramatic-mgtower-though-they-may-deny-it-women-are-in-essence-overgrown-children-crying-out-for-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-216849 |
EEB, so sorry all that happened to you! I've been meaning to write about quiverfull stuff for awhile. I know aboutut No Longer Quivering. What might be some other good resources? And some (pro)quiverfull sites/blogs I should look at for material? |
2012-10-29T00:42:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/28/melodramatic-mgtower-though-they-may-deny-it-women-are-in-essence-overgrown-children-crying-out-for-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-216848 |
tcw, not at all. But I've just set up a separate thread for Sandy related comments. | 2012-10-28T16:36:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/28/melodramatic-mgtower-though-they-may-deny-it-women-are-in-essence-overgrown-children-crying-out-for-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-216672 |
Live Statue of Liberty cam (with sound!) http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/statueofliberty/index.php?cam=liberty_hd |
2012-10-28T16:17:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/28/hurricane-sandy-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-216659 |
Because much of what he writes is complete bullshit; because he's provided the MRM with some of its silliest talking points; because he's said really, really skeevy things about rape and incest; because he's dishonest? One of these days I'll do some Warren Farrell posts. |
2012-10-27T05:49:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/faq/comment-page-2/#comment-216349 |
I'm also baffled by LGTT. I've seen LGBTQ and QUILTBAG and a couple of other variations, but never LGTT. | 2012-10-26T19:35:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/26/over-on-a-voice-for-men-a-gay-mra-takes-on-the-real-enemy-stubby-fingered-lesbians/comment-page-1/#comment-216272 |
Steele can't be for real. Oh, I'm sure he believes a lot of what he posts, but the "friendly rivalry" stuff? Pure trolling on his part. It's gotta be. | 2012-10-26T18:49:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/24/a-man-going-his-own-way-explains-his-quite-possibly-imaginary-life/comment-page-4/#comment-216264 |
Drew, I'm not sure where that gif is from, there wasn't any contexxt for it that I remember. But if you're looking for more gifs of female musicians with dark, frizzy 80s hair, might I suggest http://bushygifs.tumblr.com/ ? |
2012-10-25T18:28:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/24/a-man-going-his-own-way-explains-his-quite-possibly-imaginary-life/comment-page-3/#comment-216034 |
Otis, you're not on moderation. Your comments are getting snagged because you keep using a word that's in the moderation filter; hint, it starts with R and ends with D. I've been letting the offending comments through but in the future I won't. Please expand your vocabulary. Also, if you don't want to go on moderation, you should probably stop posting obsessive, untrue OT comments about particular feminist bloggers. Move on. Nepenthe, one of your comments got caught by the actual spam filter (which I have no control of, unlike the moderation filter); I let it through. |
2012-10-25T18:12:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/24/a-man-going-his-own-way-explains-his-quite-possibly-imaginary-life/comment-page-3/#comment-216027 |
BABY! Congrats, Duality! | 2012-10-25T17:56:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/23/indiana-republican-senate-candidate-richard-mourdock-when-rape-victims-get-pregnant-it-is-something-that-god-intended-to-happen/comment-page-3/#comment-216021 |
oh, BTW, by "game theory" he doesn't mean math, but the pickup artist bullshit that's sometimes called "game." At least I assume that's the case, because I'm pretty sure playing "prisoner's dilemma" is not a useful dating strategy. | 2012-10-24T21:51:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/24/a-man-going-his-own-way-explains-his-quite-possibly-imaginary-life/comment-page-1/#comment-215801 |
Lilith, welcome! You make a good point, though these guys tend to assume that if any sperm is released in the vicinity of a woman, the woman will get hold of it and may well decide to impregnate herself with it. I imagine he is not interested in any sexual activity that doesn't involve him having an orgasm. I assume the woman in this "relationship" with him -- if she's real, which I rather doubt -- is either asexual or simply not interested in sex with him, because otherwise I imagine she would have offered him some suggestions about sex acts not involving penis-in-vagina or penis-at-all. |
2012-10-24T21:46:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/24/a-man-going-his-own-way-explains-his-quite-possibly-imaginary-life/comment-page-1/#comment-215796 |
Andre, what the fuck are you talking about? | 2012-10-24T18:12:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/16/girlwriteswhat-on-the-necessity-of-domestic-violence-i-dont-really-find-too-much-thats-seriously-ethically-questionable/comment-page-8/#comment-215661 |
Oh, BTW, I opened a HB8 at the vet this afternoon. Oh, wait, what I meant was I talked briefly to a woman in the waiting room about her cat, then went and paid the bill for my cat. |
2012-10-23T17:25:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/22/american-women-monopoly-capitalists-of-the-vagina/comment-page-6/#comment-215319 |
Duality, good luck! | 2012-10-23T17:23:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/22/american-women-monopoly-capitalists-of-the-vagina/comment-page-6/#comment-215317 |
Nope! | 2012-10-23T06:14:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/17/the-debate-is-on-and-off-and-on-again-then-really-really-on/comment-page-3/#comment-215185 |
pbb, he did indeed use that line. Though he tactfully refrained from "the jerk store called, they're running out of you." | 2012-10-22T23:08:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/22/oh-wait-theres-a-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-215130 |
Also, PublicPolicyPolling says: Swing state voters say Obama won the debate 53-42, and are planning to vote for him 51-45 | 2012-10-22T22:30:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/22/oh-wait-theres-a-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-215120 |
CBS snap poll of undecided voters: 53%said Obama won, 23% said Romney. | 2012-10-22T22:28:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/22/oh-wait-theres-a-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-215119 |
KItteh, yep it was Brandon and now he's gone. Until he finds another IP#, I guess. | 2012-10-22T22:18:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/22/oh-wait-theres-a-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-215115 |
Bye, bye, Brandon! | 2012-10-22T22:01:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/22/american-women-monopoly-capitalists-of-the-vagina/comment-page-4/#comment-215101 |
It was kind of a tedious debate. I'd say Obama won. | 2012-10-22T21:44:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/22/oh-wait-theres-a-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-215072 |
Do you have a particular genre you're into? "80s Goth Night," that sort of thing? | 2012-10-22T20:56:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/22/oh-wait-theres-a-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-215017 |
So I've been listening to that song for 9 nours straight now. No effect so fI AM THE LIZARD KING I WILL RULE THE WORLD WITH MY LEGION OF KITTIES | 2012-10-21T15:44:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/21/sunday-challenge-shadow-of-a-doubt-meets-aksak-maboul/comment-page-1/#comment-214660 |
Wait, "Poofplush?" I did a google to figure out what that might mean. Apparently, this: http://californiafurs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=37 |
2012-10-21T05:26:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/19/dinesh-dsouzas-backwards-future-wife-on-the-evils-of-womens-suffrage/comment-page-5/#comment-214586 |
Opie is Pell. Bye, Pell. | 2012-10-21T05:20:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/19/dinesh-dsouzas-backwards-future-wife-on-the-evils-of-womens-suffrage/comment-page-5/#comment-214585 |
nerdypants, huh. I fixed the gender reference in the post. I'm sure she is a newcomer, but you would think that even the name of the subreddit would clue her in to the racism to be found within it. |
2012-10-20T16:59:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/20/redditors-shocked-shocked-to-find-racism-in-the-white-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-214313 |
Lauralot, excellent!! I have no idea if schtick and pitchy were the same person. Could be. Obvious similarities ... and they never posted at the same time. Their IP#'s pointed to different continents, though obviously people can hide IPs. I did notice that one of them said "atheism +" and the other said "atheism plus," FWIW. Which suggests different people or one troll who works really hard to get the little details right. My guess is different people. |
2012-10-19T20:02:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/reddit-mra-upvote-brigade-to-the-rescue-or-the-battle-of-the-urban-dictionary-atheism-definition/comment-page-3/#comment-214208 |
Freemage, how dare you impugn the lyrics of "I'm Henry the 8th I am!" | 2012-10-19T17:28:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/19/dinesh-dsouzas-backwards-future-wife-on-the-evils-of-womens-suffrage/comment-page-1/#comment-214173 |
Cloudiah, I have no doubt that you will nail the defense. Also, that poetry slam post is awesome. |
2012-10-19T16:17:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/18/matt-forney-when-we-call-women-fat-sluts-its-because-we-care/comment-page-2/#comment-214152 |
Shaenon, there's also this explanation from George Costanza on Seinfeld: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RvNS7JfcMM |
2012-10-19T16:11:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/19/dinesh-dsouzas-backwards-future-wife-on-the-evils-of-womens-suffrage/comment-page-1/#comment-214149 |
Nobinayamu, she reminded me of NWO a lot too, though NWO is actually a lot more coherent, though not quite as familiar with pop culture. | 2012-10-19T16:09:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/19/dinesh-dsouzas-backwards-future-wife-on-the-evils-of-womens-suffrage/comment-page-1/#comment-214147 |
I admire the bravery of all of those here who went to read her original post. I'm still not sure my brain has fully recovered from the experience. | 2012-10-19T16:06:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/19/dinesh-dsouzas-backwards-future-wife-on-the-evils-of-womens-suffrage/comment-page-1/#comment-214145 |
FL, yes, that pic is indeed supposed to be me. It's not really a good likeness. | 2012-10-19T06:24:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/15/johntheother-is-sick-of-the-term-mangina-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/comment-page-3/#comment-214031 |
Having finally caught up on this thread, I think it's clear that Pitchy needs an outright ban, not just moderation. | 2012-10-19T06:10:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/reddit-mra-upvote-brigade-to-the-rescue-or-the-battle-of-the-urban-dictionary-atheism-definition/comment-page-3/#comment-214029 |
Pitchy:
http://manboobz.com/comments-policy/
You might note this bit:
I reserve the right to ban anyone at any time for any reason I want.I ban pretty rarely, but really dude, when I specifically say a certain topic is off limits out of respect for a girl who killed herself, and you keep fucking bringing it up, well, what do you expect? |
2012-10-19T03:17:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/reddit-mra-upvote-brigade-to-the-rescue-or-the-battle-of-the-urban-dictionary-atheism-definition/comment-page-3/#comment-214010 |
Also, pitch, don't drag your atheism + vendettas over here either. | 2012-10-19T01:56:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/reddit-mra-upvote-brigade-to-the-rescue-or-the-battle-of-the-urban-dictionary-atheism-definition/comment-page-3/#comment-213999 |
Pitch, what part of me saying I don't "want to make the blog comments here a platform for those offering excuses for TAA’s bullying of her after her death" did you not get? You're going on moderation and I'm deleting your shit about TAA and Todd here. If you want to discuss other issues, have at it. If you want to discuss anything related to Todd, do it somewhere other than here. |
2012-10-19T01:52:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/reddit-mra-upvote-brigade-to-the-rescue-or-the-battle-of-the-urban-dictionary-atheism-definition/comment-page-3/#comment-213998 |
Did anyone else see it? It was one big self-pity party. CNN didn't really do a good job of setting it up, or truly explaning how horrific his various subreddits were, but at least they called him on his self-pity -- when they asked him if he thought he'd caused harm, he said yes, it caused him and his family harm. Not, oh, the hundreds of thousands of people whose pics he and the other users of his subreddits put up. He also sort of blamed it on reddit admins for encouraging him. They literally geve him a gold-plated reddit bobblehead for setting up the jailbait subreddit -- he brought it along to the interview! |
2012-10-18T19:59:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/17/charity-begins-at-home-a-reddit-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-213880 |
The violentacrez interview is on CNN right now; they just broadcast the first part, the 2nd part is coming up momentarily. | 2012-10-18T19:48:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/17/charity-begins-at-home-a-reddit-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-213879 |
Pitch, yeah, where on earth could I have gotten the idea that MRAs were upvote brigading the definition? Hmm, possbily that link in the first sentence of my post might give you a clue: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11igli/urban_dictionary_atheism_plus/ As for loose moderation, well, guess what? You were trying to post in pretty much the only thread I've moderated with a heavy hand, which was one about a fifteen-year-old girl bullied and blackmailed into suicide. For some weird reason I didn't want to make the blog comments here a platform for those offering excuses for TAA's bullying of her after her death. I trust you were able to find somewhere else on the internet where you could express your very brave thoughts on the subject. |
2012-10-18T15:50:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/reddit-mra-upvote-brigade-to-the-rescue-or-the-battle-of-the-urban-dictionary-atheism-definition/comment-page-2/#comment-213804 |
Mark, what is a "Whif of Jif?" Women are using peanut butter to lure poor beta males to their doom? |
2012-10-18T15:11:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/22/yo-dudes-alpha-males-are-a-myth-according-to-actual-experts-on-wolves/comment-page-6/#comment-213764 |
Oops with the links. Circlebroke is a good subreddit (well, relatively speaking); I've actually been reading it a lot lately to keep up with all this nonsense. I hope that last question isn't directed at me. |
2012-10-18T01:59:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/17/charity-begins-at-home-a-reddit-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-213657 |
XTC had a reference to a milk bar in one of their early songs, This is Pop:
In a milk bar and feeling lost Drinking sodas as cold as frost Someone leans in my direction Quizzing on my juke-box selection What do you call that noise That you put on? This is pop Yeah Yeahhere's a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzOqpo7Pt-A and a live version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy8gSdZdpy8&feature=endscreen&NR=1 man they look young! |
2012-10-17T04:30:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/manosphere-civil-war-mgtowforums-vs-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-3/#comment-213450 |
what about milk bars? what are they? are they really a thing? | 2012-10-17T03:48:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/manosphere-civil-war-mgtowforums-vs-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-3/#comment-213442 |
From twitter:
CBS NEWS INSTANT POLL of uncommitted voters: 37% Obama won, 30% Romney, 33% tie |
2012-10-16T22:01:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/belated-presidential-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-213389 |
Why oh why do so many complete asswipes think "chick" is spelled "chic?" | 2012-10-16T21:53:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/belated-presidential-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-213377 |
Handy factchecking: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/16/1025531/thinkprogress-liveblogs-the-second-presidential-debate/#lbu-1350441103 |
2012-10-16T21:40:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/belated-presidential-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-213363 |
Seems to me that Obama is, but I have no idea what the consensus will be. | 2012-10-16T21:35:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/belated-presidential-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-213357 |
Outsourcing question. Uh oh. | 2012-10-16T21:26:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/belated-presidential-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-213354 |
REd light, Mitt. Red light! | 2012-10-16T20:42:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/belated-presidential-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-213329 |
I'm also LiveKittenTweeting the debate on Twitter. So far kittens are not interested in the presidential debate, partly because they don't know what a debate is. Or a president. | 2012-10-16T20:37:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/belated-presidential-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-213325 |
... a case of the atheist groups including one hell of a lot of arrogant, whiny, privileged white guys who would never DREAM of examining their own privilege while they could focus on that lovely big “I’m an atheist and everyone is cruel to me!” chip on their shoulders. Not MRAs as such, just misogynist douchebags.This is my theory as well. |
2012-10-16T19:08:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/reddit-mra-upvote-brigade-to-the-rescue-or-the-battle-of-the-urban-dictionary-atheism-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-213307 |
Myoo, thanks for digging up that info about the forums. I was a bit baffled too, as the forum has been working fine for me. Mikey, that pic is supposed to represent me. Or maybe me crossed with Michael Moore. Who knows. I don't even own that kind of flogger. |
2012-10-16T19:01:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/15/johntheother-is-sick-of-the-term-mangina-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/comment-page-2/#comment-213306 |
Myoo, that's excellent! I'm going to add it to the OP. | 2012-10-16T17:36:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/manosphere-civil-war-mgtowforums-vs-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-213267 |
From that Men's movement "definition."
if a man committed the same crime--say, sawing off his wife's boobies--he is suddenly called a criminal.Maybe I'm just a sniveling mangina, but I think that sawing off a woman's boobies (or, heck, a man's boobies) should be illegal. |
2012-10-16T12:48:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/16/reddit-mra-upvote-brigade-to-the-rescue-or-the-battle-of-the-urban-dictionary-atheism-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-213156 |
I'm pretty sure that "being a blabby misogynystic asswipe who loves the sound of his own voice" is not actually listed in the DSM-4. | 2012-10-16T05:13:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/15/johntheother-is-sick-of-the-term-mangina-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/comment-page-2/#comment-213086 |
Nope, your use of force still has to be proportionate to the threat. You can't shoot someone who slaps you. And in this case, I'm pretty sure that uppercutting someone (who is standing back with her arms at her side, and who is much smaller) hard enough to knock her to the ground, is not using proportionate force.
Self Defense Individuals may use self defense to protect themselves from bodily harm or death. The force used in self defense must be proportionate to the force used on the individual and only to stop the threat of force.http://www.ehow.com/facts_6951182_acceptable-use-force.html |
2012-10-16T05:10:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/14/new-mens-rights-hero-the-cleveland-bus-driver-who-punched-and-choked-a-female-passenger/comment-page-3/#comment-213085 |
Here's a weird development: The guy identified as Amanda's Todd's blackmailer was in court today on charges unrelated to Todd (but related to him being an alleged pedo shitstain):
The man identified by Anonymous appeared Monday at Surrey provincial court house, where he faces charges of sexual assault and sexual interference with a minor in a case unrelated to Todd. He told CTV News he knew the 15-year-old, but insisted he was her friend. He said he helped identify a man in New York who was harassing her, and claims he passed that information to the RCMP.http://bc.ctvnews.ca/alleged-amanda-todd-tormenter-tracked-down-1.997244#ixzz29RTnJGS7 |
2012-10-16T02:07:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/13/the-amazing-atheist-spits-on-the-memory-of-amanda-todd-tw-bullying-sexual-shaming-suicide/comment-page-4/#comment-213076 |
Kiwi, "Sink Misandry" was going to be a protest in Washington DC on the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. I guess it was going to protest the idea of "women and children first." And it was scheduled for April 15, which is (usually) tax day here in the US I so wish that had happened. A small bunch of angry dudes carrying around posters about the Titanic on a day everyone else is worried about getting their taxes done. |
2012-10-16T01:32:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/15/johntheother-is-sick-of-the-term-mangina-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/comment-page-2/#comment-213073 |
International Men’s Day event planned for 11/17/12 in Nashville, TN has been CANCELLED due to the closing of the hosting venue.Ah hahaha. So far this year, AVFM and related folks have announced, blabbed about endlessly, then canceled: 1) The "Sink Misandry" protest in DC 2) That debate in Vancouver 3) This thing Have I missed any? Here's a list of the events that have actually been held: 1) ?? It's always some "logistical" problem, which always turns out to be ABSOLUTELY INSURMOUNTABLE! Though, to be fair, it's not like there are lots of music venues in Nashville. Oh, wait, it's NASHVILLE, the motherfucking "HOME OF COUNTRY MUSIC." http://nashvillemusicbuzz.wordpress.com/music-venue-directory/ |
2012-10-15T17:59:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/15/johntheother-is-sick-of-the-term-mangina-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-212925 |
Sgt Grumbles, what the hell is wrong with some people? | 2012-10-15T17:29:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/15/johntheother-is-sick-of-the-term-mangina-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-212906 |
wasn’t MRA bingo supposed to have “David is fat!” as the centre square?No, that's Man Boobz Troll Bingo. I'm still working on it. |
2012-10-15T16:12:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/15/johntheother-is-sick-of-the-term-mangina-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-212881 |
And the reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/pointandclick/comments/11dkn9/tea_break_escape/c6mlq3u |
2012-10-15T15:13:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/11/reddit-creepsplosion-part-eleventy-billion-and-two/comment-page-4/#comment-212841 |
Brutsch has apparently lost his job: http://www.dailydot.com/news/violentacrez-reddit-troll-fired-gawker-profile/ How much do you want to bet that some Reddit "hero" offers him a new one? |
2012-10-15T15:08:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/11/reddit-creepsplosion-part-eleventy-billion-and-two/comment-page-4/#comment-212840 |
Men's Rights: No Worse Than 4chan! Now there's a slogan. |
2012-10-15T03:31:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/14/new-mens-rights-hero-the-cleveland-bus-driver-who-punched-and-choked-a-female-passenger/comment-page-1/#comment-212752 |
So in other words “I dont like other opinions that dont agree with my own, so i delete comments so i dont get uncomfortable”Most of the time I let virtually all comments through. In this thread, I'm deleting comments that are an insult to the memory of a girl who killed herself because of bullying and sexual shaming. |
2012-10-14T19:49:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/13/the-amazing-atheist-spits-on-the-memory-of-amanda-todd-tw-bullying-sexual-shaming-suicide/comment-page-3/#comment-212654 |
So I've been deleting a lot of comments from new people trying to post here, mostly because they're defending TAA and his "argument" here, and I don't want that sort of assholery stinking up this thread. This isn't the typical misogynist shit we deal with here; a young girl took her life, and it's disrespectful at the very least. The weirdest part of the "argument" being made by many of the deleted commenters (and by TAA) is that by paying attention to Amanda Todd we are somehow distracting people from other victims of bullying. Which is beyond ridiculous: Amanda's story is bringing *more* attention to the issue of bullying. Amanda was incredibly courageous to make the video that brought attention to the issue, and that led to a new wave of attacks on her. She wasn't trying to bring attention to herself; she was trying to help other victims of bullying and sexual shaming. Also, let's cool it with the banana references. The issue here is what TAA is saying, not what he does in his private life. I'm going to go back and delete references to that. |
2012-10-14T16:59:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/13/the-amazing-atheist-spits-on-the-memory-of-amanda-todd-tw-bullying-sexual-shaming-suicide/comment-page-3/#comment-212628 |
Also, any troll who posts any victim-blamng shit here will have it deleted and go on permanent moderation. | 2012-10-13T19:00:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/13/the-amazing-atheist-spits-on-the-memory-of-amanda-todd-tw-bullying-sexual-shaming-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-212404 |
Myoo, I just added that; thanks for pointing that out. | 2012-10-13T18:55:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/13/the-amazing-atheist-spits-on-the-memory-of-amanda-todd-tw-bullying-sexual-shaming-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-212400 |
I just put up a post on the Amazing Atheist and Amanda Todd. Thanks for alerting us to that, Pear! | 2012-10-13T17:59:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/12/mra-bingo-is-here/comment-page-1/#comment-212373 |
@pear, WTF! What an astounding asshole. I mean, I knew he was bad but this is just appalling. | 2012-10-13T16:34:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/12/mra-bingo-is-here/comment-page-1/#comment-212363 |
@Crumb, Chuckeedee isn't Chuck from Gucci Little Piggy. @Babylon, not sure how to handle the cards on a Mac. The hot sauce in the condom thing comes from MRA-ish radio asshole Tom Leykis; I've seen it referenced by MRAs (and PUAs) on a number of occasions. Here's the post about the alleged (and obviously imaginary) spermburgling girlfriend that someone was referring to; the "hot sauce" solution came up in the r/mensrights thread: http://manboobz.com/2012/04/03/mens-rights-redditors-defend-a-guy-who-says-he-punched-his-sperm-stealing-girlfriend/ Also speaking of Reddit, one of my favorite r/mensrighters stole my MRA bingo list and posted it as a list of things that "straw MRAs" say. Never mind that I've seen each and every one of them used by MRAs, some on a regular basis. That's why they're on the list! If I was just making shit up, no one would ever be able to get a bingo! http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11e57p/phrases_of_a_straw_mra/ |
2012-10-13T16:32:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/12/mra-bingo-is-here/comment-page-1/#comment-212361 |
Tulgey, I was sort of thinking that googling would be allowed; that way it becomes more of an internet scavenger hunt. I like the idea of specific challenges with specific rules for those challenges -- maybe confine it to one site, eg, r/mr in the past week, or something like that. Or do a speed challenge where googling is allowed and any MR site is fair game. . |
2012-10-13T04:58:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/12/mra-bingo-is-here/comment-page-1/#comment-212319 |
BINGO!!!!!
Here's the card:
http://manboobz.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/bingo1.png
See the middle line across.
Cosmo = feminism:
Cosmo is a training manual for feminist reptile movement, indoctrinating young women and teaching them to strike where it hurts most. It is a classic alien subterfuge tactic, a mind-control technique hidden under the guise of colorful distraction, making it deadly because of it's insidious inconspicuousness.http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/gk0lv/cosmo_readers_this_is_why_you_cant_find_a_good/c1o56dw (Hey, it was in r/mr and it got *some* upvotes.) Feminists run the world we must always make ourselves remember that feminist governance, which is what both Republicans and Democrats have created, depends on the grunt labor of uneducated, disenfranchised men.http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/your-left-right-left/ Then there's the free square. The other two are "misandry" and "cunt." Found in r/mr; I don't think I need to show links for these. FIVE INTERNETS FOR ME! |
2012-10-12T19:10:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/12/mra-bingo-is-here/comment-page-1/#comment-212282 |
If anyone has "the word "bitch" isn't sexist" on their card, head over here: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11cjup/bitch_is_a_gendered_insult_that_demeans_all_women/ |
2012-10-12T18:24:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/12/mra-bingo-is-here/comment-page-1/#comment-212269 |
Oh, and that aren't also filled with his usual nonsense. | 2012-10-11T17:53:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/09/spearheader-the-real-victims-of-predatory-female-teachers-are-the-guys-hot-teachers-arent-having-sex-with/comment-page-4/#comment-211956 |
I've banned Ian/Pell again, but I will let through any comments from him that provide links to interesting cat toys. | 2012-10-11T17:53:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/09/spearheader-the-real-victims-of-predatory-female-teachers-are-the-guys-hot-teachers-arent-having-sex-with/comment-page-4/#comment-211955 |
driversuz, could you point out where in Kshatriya's obviously emotional rant I might find some actual facts? Also, could you point out where I took anything he wrote out of context or twisted it? I actually quoted a good chunk of his post; much of what I removed was simply redundant. |
2012-10-10T17:35:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/10/anglobitch-misandrist-women-cannot-distinguish-between-nobel-prize-winners-and-tattooed-psychopaths-all-are-men-and-thus-worthless-brutes-in-their-entitled-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-211546 |
Wetherby, not sure how I missed that! I put something in the post about it. He's such a charming man. | 2012-10-10T15:09:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/09/spearheader-the-real-victims-of-predatory-female-teachers-are-the-guys-hot-teachers-arent-having-sex-with/comment-page-3/#comment-211495 |
Damn. I better finish up the MB bingo cards, because someone surely would have gotten a bingo from DaPoet's last few comments. | 2012-10-09T18:40:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/07/reddit-ugly-mras-and-others-argue-that-a-man-allegedly-wronged-in-divorce-court-should-turn-to-murder/comment-page-4/#comment-211210 |
Keep the ideas coming, everyone! Especially for PUA and trolls and evo psych, but for MRAs too! | 2012-10-09T02:12:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-3/#comment-210955 |
There are a few bugs I need to fix w/ the cards, but otherwise pretty good, eh? | 2012-10-09T02:07:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-3/#comment-210953 |
Otis, you forget that the MRM is actually nothing but these vapid phrases. | 2012-10-09T02:04:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-3/#comment-210952 |
Here's what the MRA one looks like right now -- I'm going to add/edit the list of phrases though. Refresh it to get a different card. | 2012-10-09T02:01:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-3/#comment-210949 |
Hey, Sticky, why don't you read all the news articles linked on this site -- there are at least nine pages of them -- and then get back to me? Don't worry, you'll be happy to know that mixed in with all the male perps there are a few female ones. http://domesticviolencecrimewatch.com/ |
2012-10-09T01:45:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-3/#comment-210944 |
I think you’re gonna need a bigger bingo card.Ah, but that's the beauty of the bingo card generator; it randomly picks out 24 items from whatever list you provide it and puts them randomly on a card, and generates new cards for everyone who wants one. |
2012-10-08T22:47:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-3/#comment-210898 |
Ninja-ed by Pecunium, some of those are going to go in the list. | 2012-10-08T22:41:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-3/#comment-210893 |
This is what I've got so far; the MRA section is pretty full but the others need a bit more work. MRAs: Spermburgling Feminism will destroy civilization Feminists run the world We hunted the mammoth Men invented everything Creepshaming You’d like it if Brad Pit “harassed” you! Child support makes women rich Women divorce men on a whim Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel False rape accusations Rationalization hamster The pay gap is a myth! Big Daddy Government Patriarchy don’t real Rape culture don’t real The Titanic Someone posted something on Facebook All women work in HR Women just pretend to work Sharon Osbourne said a thing! Lorena Bobbit Andrea Dworkin Valerie Solanas Steinem worked for the CIA Feminism is chivalry Tl;dr Pussy pass Women shouldn’t vote because the draft Women start wars. Women shouldn’t be in the army. Women never face consequences Women aren’t funny Men jailed on nothing but a woman’s word Feminists think all men are rapists Women are the gatekeepers Cunts Bitches Manginas Women cause most domestic violence Why didn’t feminists make DV shelters for men? Why can’t men hit women? Slutwalks are hilarious and/or terrifying Mandatory paternity tests! Men enslaved by family courts Shaming language Video games are for men Atheism is for men The word “cunt” isn’t sexist Age of consent laws are misandry When we develop fembots you’ll be sorry! Why is there no birth control for men? Men have no reproductive rights Abortion is murder “Financial abortion” Gynocracy Incel Women’s suffrage was a bad thing Women are the gatekeepers friend zoning is evil I’m not sexist because I like Girl Writes What Artificial wombs Feminists love alimony The male-only draft is misandrist Women can’t be allowed on the front lines Weird euphemism for menstruation “First they ignore you … “ “Independent women,” ha! Stealing men’s jobs Wage gap is a hoax! Feminism made me an MRA I’d love to be “objectified” Women can get laid anytime they want. The Red Pill Evo psych Women love pink because of berries Waist-hip ratio It’s hardwired Liking underage girls is hardwired men need to spread their seed women need to attract alphas Women aren’t funny PUA: Cock Carousel Gina Tingles Alpha Beta Omega Herb I’m boning hot eastern European women I’m boning hot Asian women I’m boning hot Latin American women Kino Negs Last Minute Resistance No means maybe No means yes Women aren’t funny DHV No fatties Women are the gatekeepers Rape apologia Rape jokes Ovulating women Rape turns women on Women want to be dominated Short hair on women is evil Women don’t know what they want Cuckolds Friend zone 80% of the women are having sex with 20% of the men Slut shaming SMP (Sexual Marketplace) MB trolls (in addition to many of the regular MRA ones) David is Fat! (middle square) Mantits Cherry-picking quotes You’re ignoring the reasonable MRAs (can’t name any) What’s the deal with the kitties? You’ll end up alone with cats! Troll Meltdown Sockpuppet of banned troll Rape joke Manginas Monologuing like a cartoon villain. |
2012-10-08T22:39:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-3/#comment-210888 |
I'm just not sure if he meant it as a suggestion or as a stinging rebuke of us all. | 2012-10-08T22:32:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-2/#comment-210882 |
I can hardly believe I'm saying this but Sticky actually had a good one there. | 2012-10-08T22:31:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-2/#comment-210881 |
These are great! Keep them coming! | 2012-10-08T20:34:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-man-boobz-bingo-card-project/comment-page-2/#comment-210795 |
Come to think of it, I handed in a cartoon as a history paper in college, and the prof loved it. I guess I'm a girl. There weren't any flowers in it, though. It was about Georges Sorel and the political use of violence. |
2012-10-08T18:17:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/08/the-boy-crisis-in-schools-explained-we-dumbed-it-all-down-and-added-a-healthy-dose-of-pretty-to-give-the-girls-an-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-210673 |
Ducks! | 2012-10-07T19:02:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/29/us-army-brig-general-charged-with-rape-whos-to-blame-according-to-the-spearhead-its-women/comment-page-10/#comment-210380 |
You are of course right, claire. Will revise the post. | 2012-10-06T19:18:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/06/choosy-women-a-threat-to-civilization-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-210197 |
Well, not site members as a whole, but averages for (straight or bi) men and women. | 2012-10-06T18:31:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/06/choosy-women-a-threat-to-civilization-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-210182 |
In the case of the OKCupid data, he's talking about attractiveness as rated by site members as a whole. This is obviously a giant issue when it comes to the topic in general, and part of the problem is that the evo psych people tend not to take into account the wide variances amongst individuals. Even if people, on average, find a particular person attractive; even if on average, people find, say, symmetry or a particular waist to hip ratio or whatever attractive, there are plenty of people out there who don't. |
2012-10-06T18:30:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/06/choosy-women-a-threat-to-civilization-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-210181 |
I'm not filtering heartiste links. Sometimes the spam filter, which I don't control, and which is different than the moderation filter (which I do control) eats comments. This happens more when there's a link in the comment alongside very little text. | 2012-10-05T15:19:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/05/heartiste-on-the-evils-of-womens-suffrage-and-why-single-women-tingle-for-obama-or-maybe-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-210018 |
Actually, Truthy, the truth is that I don't filter Heartiste links, but that you're on moderation for making a prison rape joke. | 2012-10-05T14:49:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/05/heartiste-on-the-evils-of-womens-suffrage-and-why-single-women-tingle-for-obama-or-maybe-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-209998 |
Truthy, I deleted your prison rape joke and you're going on moderation for it. | 2012-10-04T14:46:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/03/debate-night-open-thread/comment-page-4/#comment-209662 |
But apparently this crafts store is racist. http://www.yelp.com/biz/jo-ann-fabrics-and-crafts-cockeysville |
2012-10-04T01:50:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/30/a-voice-for-men-publishes-a-post-by-racist-blogger-pamela-geller-whose-islamophobic-writings-helped-to-inspire-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik/comment-page-3/#comment-209437 |
FWIW, the polls were of a representative sample of debate watchers right after the debate; it had nothing to do with the pundits. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/03/cnn-poll-romney-wins-debate-by-big-margin/comment-page-3/ It's still hard to imagine Romney actually winning the election, but a lot of people thought he dominated the debate, even if (for example) the basic numbers of his tax plan don't add up. |
2012-10-04T01:43:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/03/debate-night-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-209434 |
ithiliana, sorry to hear about the diabetes; hope you can adjust to it without too many problems. | 2012-10-04T01:29:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/02/why-is-the-secular-coalition-for-america-giving-justin-vacula-online-bully-a-voice-for-men-contributor-a-leadership-position/comment-page-7/#comment-209429 |
CBS and CNN instant polls say Romney won the debate handily. | 2012-10-03T22:32:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/03/debate-night-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-209365 |
Really surprised to see Romney come out in a Speedo. | 2012-10-03T20:04:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/03/debate-night-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-209244 |
Looks like Jim Lehrer is really drunk. (Not actually true, just trying to make things more interesting.) |
2012-10-03T19:54:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/03/debate-night-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-209237 |
The anarchist within me began to vibrate like a tuning fork.Remember, if you're going to put an anarchist up your ass, make sure it has a flared base!! |
2012-10-03T18:29:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/02/why-is-the-secular-coalition-for-america-giving-justin-vacula-online-bully-a-voice-for-men-contributor-a-leadership-position/comment-page-6/#comment-209195 |
THE BALLERINA IS A STAMEN OF PRIVILEGE! THE BALLERINA IS A STAMEN OF PRIVILEGE! THE BALLERINA IS A STAMEN OF PRIVILEGE! THE BALLERINA IS A STAMEN OF PRIVILEGE! Ugh, now I've got to go read the whole thing. Thanks, Cloudiah! (I actually mean that thanks sincerely. I just wish these dudes weren't so fucking longwinded.) I like that one of the r/mr commenters has declared that post "a masterwork." |
2012-10-03T17:32:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/02/why-is-the-secular-coalition-for-america-giving-justin-vacula-online-bully-a-voice-for-men-contributor-a-leadership-position/comment-page-5/#comment-209165 |
Huh. I was in the Cub Scouts despite my completely secular upbringing; the topic never came up, as far as I remember, but that was a looooong time ago and I was, you know, 8 years old or whatever Cub Scouts are. But it's ridiculous that the Boy Scouts have some sort of official position against atheists/agnostics. This sort of thing is why it would be great to have some sort of secular lobbying group working on these issues. Provided, you know, that it didn't align itself with the worst people in the atheist movement. |
2012-10-03T03:47:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/02/why-is-the-secular-coalition-for-america-giving-justin-vacula-online-bully-a-voice-for-men-contributor-a-leadership-position/comment-page-3/#comment-208941 |
My favorite quote from the black pill discussion, from stonerwithaboner:
look at Fatrelle’s shaming language…. I bet he had to put down the triple decker cheeseburger and 62 ouncer of mountain dew just to write thatIRONY ALERT! Actually, I'm not sure "irony" is a strong enough word for what that is. What if I weren't fat? What would they have to talk about then? "Oh, he's misrepresenting the MRM by quoting from the blog post I'm commenting on." Also I'm intrigued by Truthy's notion that my worth as a man is determined by how often I have sex with women in their twenties: If Vegas gave odds, I doubt many would take the over for Jabba the Fut scoring attractive mid-20′s women.Yes, Truthy, it's in fact true that I don't regularly have sex with women half my age. |
2012-10-03T02:26:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/01/should-dating-advice-be-a-boys-only-club-one-self-described-omega-virgin-says-yes/comment-page-3/#comment-208923 |
As far as I'm concerned, Vacula demonstrated he was a pretty shitty person simply by, you know, GLOATING THAT A WOMAN HE DISLIKED WAS DRIVEN FROM THE INTERNET by
abusive comments, tweets, and emails about how I’m a slut, prude, ugly, fat, feminazi, retard, bitch, and cunt (just to name a few). If I block people who are twisting my words or sending verbal abuse, I receive an even larger wave of nonsensical hate about how I’m a slut, prude, feminazi, retard, bitch, cunt who hates freedom of speech (because the Constitution forces me to listen to people on Twitter). This morning I had to delete dozens of comments of people imitating my identity making graphic, lewd, degrading sexual comments about my personal life. In the past, multiple people have threatened to contact my employer with “evidence” that I’m a bad scientist (because I’m a feminist) to try to destroy my job. I’m constantly worried that the abuse will soon spread to my loved ones.So, you know, there's that. Add to that the Surly Amy crap, and you know, that's not really the sort of guy that I think is a good representative for secular people like me. |
2012-10-03T02:04:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/02/why-is-the-secular-coalition-for-america-giving-justin-vacula-online-bully-a-voice-for-men-contributor-a-leadership-position/comment-page-3/#comment-208913 |
I mean, basically, he's saying, I didn't file the DCMA to get her personal information so I could post it and harass her, and the proof is, ta da, I can already post that information and so here it is, but I'm not harassing her because ... I said so? . | 2012-10-02T19:41:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/02/why-is-the-secular-coalition-for-america-giving-justin-vacula-online-bully-a-voice-for-men-contributor-a-leadership-position/comment-page-1/#comment-208768 |
Thomas, Vacula's "explanation" of why posting her address wasn't meant maliciously makes no fucking sense at all:
the address wasn't posted with malicious intent. It's public information and was posted because people were alleging that I has malicious intent in filing the counter-DMCA request.Huh? It's not really even an explanation, just an assertion. |
2012-10-02T19:36:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/02/why-is-the-secular-coalition-for-america-giving-justin-vacula-online-bully-a-voice-for-men-contributor-a-leadership-position/comment-page-1/#comment-208766 |
Based on some of the most egregious examples, like Bill Maher, I see some of these dudes treating atheism as proof of their superior intellect and rationality because they don’t believe in silly superstitions like all those sheeplesAdd to this that lots of these guys are in male-dominated STEM fields and absorb/perpetuate a lot of the misogyny there, and you've got quite a lot of potential for entitled assholery. It really doesn't help that prominent men in the movement like Dawkins reinforce a lot of this arrogance and the notion that gender issues are trivial compared to the great fight against superstition, etc. But don't get me started on Dawkins. |
2012-10-02T19:25:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/10/02/why-is-the-secular-coalition-for-america-giving-justin-vacula-online-bully-a-voice-for-men-contributor-a-leadership-position/comment-page-1/#comment-208761 |
I wrote the post before he gave his "apology." Also, "I worded it poorly" is not really much of an apology. He basically said the same thing, just not quite as bluntly, in his OP. |
2012-10-01T16:09:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/26/what-do-women-want-ask-a-dude-ask-an-awesome-dude/comment-page-8/#comment-208235 |
sticky, so what specifiically is wrong with SRS? Please give specific examples. | 2012-10-01T15:47:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/30/a-voice-for-men-publishes-a-post-by-racist-blogger-pamela-geller-whose-islamophobic-writings-helped-to-inspire-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik/comment-page-2/#comment-208227 |
Liberals can be misogynist. When someone says something misogynist, I don't check to see if they're liberal because somehow being liberal makes it not count as misogyny. Also, I have noted many times that r/mr is generally not as blatantly misogynist as the rest of the MRM online, and pointed that out many times before I got banned there. That doesn't mean there's no misogyny there, oh holy crap no. |
2012-10-01T15:46:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/30/a-voice-for-men-publishes-a-post-by-racist-blogger-pamela-geller-whose-islamophobic-writings-helped-to-inspire-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik/comment-page-2/#comment-208226 |
Oh, Elam bans people. He generally bans feminists after about two or three comments at most, and seems to really really enjoy it. Someguy, I challenge you to do your same schtick over there -- pretend to be someone bored by Elam but yet deeply, deeply concerned about his journalistic integrity -- and see how long you last. Or if you're too lazy to do this, why don't you spend a little time going through comments there and see if you can find any feminists posting anything. If by chance you find one or two, count the number of posts they make before getting banned. ' Also, on another topic: aworldanonymous, get yourself to a doctor! And take care of yourself before worrying about your classes! |
2012-10-01T03:50:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/30/a-voice-for-men-publishes-a-post-by-racist-blogger-pamela-geller-whose-islamophobic-writings-helped-to-inspire-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik/comment-page-1/#comment-208113 |
On "milfem cursors," assuming this isn't some weird autocorrect, and I don't think it is, I think "cursor" means (cis) women because they have "the curse." Anthropologists can make of this what they will. |
2012-09-29T16:25:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/29/us-army-brig-general-charged-with-rape-whos-to-blame-according-to-the-spearhead-its-women/comment-page-1/#comment-207615 |
There is a LOT going on in that head of yours. Also, I've been unbanned from Reddit. |
2012-09-29T15:30:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/31/peter-andrew-nolanc-its-a-disaster-to-say-never-hit-women-it-destroys-the-womans-ability-to-bond-closely-with-the-man-via-a-good-spanking/comment-page-5/#comment-207589 |
Kiwi Girl, I appreciate the effort! Damn paypal. Thanks again, everyone, and thanks claire for your lovely act of paying it forward (even though I sort of hate that phrase). |
2012-09-28T23:00:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/27/man-boobz-pledge-drive-part-2-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-1/#comment-207446 |
Tulgey, jeez, I just skimmed Elam's piece earlier; it's obviously worse than I thought. | 2012-09-28T18:53:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/26/what-do-women-want-ask-a-dude-ask-an-awesome-dude/comment-page-6/#comment-207370 |
Thanks, everyone! And thanks for the info, Katy; I added a credit and some links to the Itty Bitty Kitty Committee, which looks to be an awesome site and a good cause. Kiwi girl, email me with the name you used to make your donations, and I can let you know if your donation went through, and refund you if paypal's glitches caused you to donate more than you meant to. |
2012-09-28T18:50:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/27/man-boobz-pledge-drive-part-2-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-1/#comment-207366 |
Big thanks to everyone who's donated! And again, if you can't donate, I still love you! (Trolls excepted.) Kiwi, I'm not sure what to do about the glitches. Maybe try again in a different browser? Historophilia, I think PayPal will handle the currency conversion if you donate in pounds. I've gotten donations from all over through PayPal with no problems (at this end, anyway). |
2012-09-28T11:14:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/27/man-boobz-pledge-drive-part-2-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-1/#comment-207302 |
Thanks for the donations, folks! | 2012-09-27T23:24:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/27/man-boobz-pledge-drive-part-2-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-1/#comment-207230 |
Huh. It seems that our friend "Sharon" is a dude from r/mensrights. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/10kor7/i_think_i_may_have_just_gotten_manboobz_banned/c6egaqh Boy, there's a shock. |
2012-09-27T21:47:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/26/what-do-women-want-ask-a-dude-ask-an-awesome-dude/comment-page-4/#comment-207197 |
aworld, hope you're feeling a little better. I'll probably post about the Reddit thing tomorrow, once I get a few things sorted out. |
2012-09-27T21:41:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/26/what-do-women-want-ask-a-dude-ask-an-awesome-dude/comment-page-4/#comment-207192 |
Oops. This link was supposed to be in the last comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/107rjo/well_welllook_at_this_feminists_acting_as_rape/c6bb6ya |
2012-09-27T17:13:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/26/what-do-women-want-ask-a-dude-ask-an-awesome-dude/comment-page-4/#comment-207134 |
Apparently I have been banned from Reddit, at the behest of a dude who has made it his life's mission to spread lies about me on Reddit. (No, seriously, that's what he's said.) He apparently got me reported as a "spammer." Maybe "Sharon" here can tell you more about it. | 2012-09-27T17:12:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/26/what-do-women-want-ask-a-dude-ask-an-awesome-dude/comment-page-4/#comment-207133 |
Tulgey said what I was going to say. | 2012-09-26T23:06:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/26/what-do-women-want-ask-a-dude-ask-an-awesome-dude/comment-page-2/#comment-206975 |
Sharon, from the r/againstmensrights sidebar:
We are not against the concept of men's rights, we are against the "men's rights movement" -- if it can even be called that.That seems relatively easy to understand. Rights for men? Good thing! The so-called "Men's Rights Movement?" Bad thing! HTH! |
2012-09-26T16:07:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/26/what-do-women-want-ask-a-dude-ask-an-awesome-dude/comment-page-1/#comment-206865 |
FYI, the good folks at r/againstmensrights have assembled these handy guides to the shittiest comments in the shitty r/mensrights thread. http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/10i57n/mras_defending_a_bigoted_comment_with_more_bigotry/ http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/10hcvy/i_feel_sorry_for_women_i_really_do_they_have/c6drbxe |
2012-09-26T15:02:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/26/what-do-women-want-ask-a-dude-ask-an-awesome-dude/comment-page-1/#comment-206848 |
Glori-US B. has written a rebuttal to my post: http://gloriusbastard.com/?p=894 | 2012-09-25T22:00:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/25/the-asshole-monologues-glori-us-bastard-tells-feminist-american-woman-and-white-knights-whats-what/comment-page-2/#comment-206698 |
And he's banned again. And not just for using that other person's name, but for talking about how his own parents should be killed, and generally skeeving me out. Also, it's my blog and I can ban anyone I want for any reason. | 2012-09-25T19:54:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/22/imaginary-feminists-shut-down-debate-with-other-imaginary-feminists-allegedly/comment-page-4/#comment-206687 |
Here's a PUA bragging about how he totally scored with a HB! And by "scored," he apparently meant "date raped." [TRIGGER WARNING]
I tried kissing her with the mystery question, would you like to kiss me? She said no, I don’t know you. A stupid trick and I won’t use it again… I’ll just come over and kiss, and this is what I did afterwards, without asking, just taking her and kissing. This is what they want (don’t listen to them.” “Things moved along… believe me, I came across countless objections on the way to close an FC (“Fuck close”), but I persisted and stayed consistent to the end. Okay we started making out on the bed and she just refused to take off her clothes and made all kinds of excuses… but I’m a blind rhino, she doesn’t know me. I used a quick seduction technique and it totally confused her, I took her hand and put it on my cock… slowly slowly I closed a BJC [Blowjob Close]. I thought I can stop there, but something inside told me not to give up, and Duracula’s contract was sitting on my head. I didn’t give up and continued being consistent to the end. I tried taking off her panties and the girl just wouldn’t! And then I thought, do I go for freeze out or quick seduction? I moved her panties to the right, and bang! The girl is stunned and so am I, actually… after that everything went fine, the clothes went off and the FC was closed.This PUA post is discussed in detail here: http://972mag.com/guys-i-just-totally-raped-this-student-chick/6803/ |
2012-09-25T16:58:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/24/new-frontiers-in-victimology-men-are-intimidated-into-buying-women-drinks-in-bars/comment-page-3/#comment-206619 |
I don't know, Truthy, this looks to me like a vast array of sites offering advice that looks an awful lot like date-rape how-tos. https://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=oyI&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=Yx1iUPnGN8rfyAHJjYC4Cw&ved=0CB0QvwUoAQ&q=pua+%22last+minute+resistance%22&spell=1&biw=1429&bih=566 |
2012-09-25T16:17:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/24/new-frontiers-in-victimology-men-are-intimidated-into-buying-women-drinks-in-bars/comment-page-3/#comment-206608 |
Hey, if any of you are on Reddit, could you give this an upvote or two? http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/duplicates/10fcye/new_frontiers_in_victimology_men_are_intimidated/ |
2012-09-24T20:53:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/24/new-frontiers-in-victimology-men-are-intimidated-into-buying-women-drinks-in-bars/comment-page-1/#comment-206347 |
And here is what got Paul to issue what he denies is a correction: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/10btwd/new_info_on_the_vancouver_avfm_debate/ |
2012-09-23T04:42:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/22/imaginary-feminists-shut-down-debate-with-other-imaginary-feminists-allegedly/comment-page-3/#comment-205954 |
Unexpected update: AVFM has sort of admitted they were wrong. See the update in the OP (or go back over to the AVFM post.) | 2012-09-23T03:21:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/22/imaginary-feminists-shut-down-debate-with-other-imaginary-feminists-allegedly/comment-page-3/#comment-205951 |
The majority of the commenters believe it was feminists that got the guy fired.Also, when I wrote the post there were a lot fewer comments challenging the story. |
2012-09-22T20:35:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/22/imaginary-feminists-shut-down-debate-with-other-imaginary-feminists-allegedly/comment-page-2/#comment-205869 |
http://www.n49.ca/biz/cc-motor-car-sales/bc/vancouver/1315-hastings/ This seems to be the car lot in question; I believe JJ motors is run by someone who spilt off from him. The reviews are astonishingly bad, aside from those that might possibly just have been written by Chris. |
2012-09-22T20:04:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/22/imaginary-feminists-shut-down-debate-with-other-imaginary-feminists-allegedly/comment-page-2/#comment-205858 |
someguy, you've used up your 3 comments for the day. (I explained this in a comment last night.) Any more and you're banned. Enjoy your evening! | 2012-09-22T19:36:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/22/imaginary-feminists-shut-down-debate-with-other-imaginary-feminists-allegedly/comment-page-2/#comment-205851 |
someguy: one down, two to go (comment-wise) | 2012-09-22T19:25:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/22/imaginary-feminists-shut-down-debate-with-other-imaginary-feminists-allegedly/comment-page-1/#comment-205841 |
They should just hold the thing in the nearest bus shelter. That would be more than big enough. | 2012-09-22T18:35:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/22/imaginary-feminists-shut-down-debate-with-other-imaginary-feminists-allegedly/comment-page-1/#comment-205826 |
Niktike, I added some stuff about the dealership's web site to the post. Thanks! | 2012-09-22T16:28:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/22/imaginary-feminists-shut-down-debate-with-other-imaginary-feminists-allegedly/comment-page-1/#comment-205795 |
Someguy, I'm not going to respond to your comments. I don't even read them any more. If you post more than three more times in the next 24 hours I'll just ban you. | 2012-09-22T03:38:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/21/the-diceman-goeth/comment-page-1/#comment-205730 |
The Metro in Chicago? My roommate at the time was probably at that very show. He was an EMF fan. |
2012-09-21T19:38:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/21/the-diceman-goeth/comment-page-1/#comment-205634 |
Hey, some guy, I gave your new blog a really cool theme. http://someguyboredwithyourschtick.wordpress.com/ |
2012-09-20T20:14:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/20/vox-day-save-the-world-by-throwing-women-out-of-school/comment-page-1/#comment-205383 |
some guy, I started your blog for you. It took 30 seconds. http://someguyboredwithyourschtick.wordpress.com/ |
2012-09-20T19:59:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/20/vox-day-save-the-world-by-throwing-women-out-of-school/comment-page-1/#comment-205368 |
Hypergamy basically just means "marrying up." The manosphere twits have somehow redefined it into meaning "every woman is a dirty lying slut who will immediately abandon her beta boyfriend or husband if an alpha gives her a second look and also women can't marry guys poorer than them because then their uteruses will explode." | 2012-09-20T19:55:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/20/vox-day-save-the-world-by-throwing-women-out-of-school/comment-page-1/#comment-205365 |
Shade, I just added that to zazzle. | 2012-09-20T13:34:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/19/young-women-having-sex-with-guys-theyre-attracted-to-a-dire-threat-to-civilization-itself/comment-page-6/#comment-205283 |
Remember, there are Cock Carousel t-shirts available on the Man Boobz store, for reals! They look awesome. And if you want something else with the cock carousel graphic on it, let me know and I can make that available on zazzle too. Also, Pell/Jilly is banned. He snuck past me this time by posting a completely innocuous first comment and using an IP that didn't quite match any of his earlier incarnations. Chuckeedee seems worse than usual, with all the "pig" stuff and the rape apologias. Should I put him on moderation? |
2012-09-20T13:19:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/19/young-women-having-sex-with-guys-theyre-attracted-to-a-dire-threat-to-civilization-itself/comment-page-6/#comment-205281 |
If any of you are Redditors, could you give this piece an upvote or two? http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSFeminism/duplicates/105ob3/young_women_having_sex_with_guys_theyre_attracted/ Thanks! I really appreciate it. |
2012-09-19T16:39:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/19/young-women-having-sex-with-guys-theyre-attracted-to-a-dire-threat-to-civilization-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-204829 |
Farrell claims that he said "gently caress" and was misquoted, though "gently caress" is pretty much equally as creepy in context. He had (has?) some extremely, well, odd ideas about incest -- that it's a good thing for many people, including the vast majority of boys molested by their mothers. He gave an interview to Playboy about it once, and it is a massively disturbing read: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/farrell2.htm |
2012-09-18T19:50:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/17/the-debate-is-on-and-off-and-on-again-then-really-really-on/comment-page-3/#comment-204664 |
Alright, someguy, here's my official statement on journalism and this blog: this blog is not, by and large, "serious journalism," though some posts on more serious things could be considered that. BUT: While I express my opinions a bit more bluntly here than I do elsewhere, and make a lot more dumb jokes, I also do all the things that journalists are obligated to do if they want to be called journalists. For example, I cite my sources (and link to them when possible, which is almost all the time); I don't misrepresent what anyone has said (if you disagree give a specific example, including quotes to show exactly where and how you think I'm misrepresenting something); when I don't know for sure that something is true, I indicate that with words like "apparently" and "alleged." (As I have done in the OP here.) When facts are disputed, journalists report what the most credible sources say. That's what I did in this case, reporting what the debate organizer told Jezebel, though I noted that someone claiming to be her also posted on AVFM saying both sides had harassed her. I have no idea whether or not the blog you've cited is credible; it presents no evidence for its claims. If someone comes forward with screenshots showing feminists harassing the debate organizer, I will add them to the post. Journalists are not obligated to have no opinions on things. *Reporters* are supposed to at least pretend to be objective; that's impossible, but they have an obligation to be accurate, to present all sides of an argument and to be fair. *Commenters* are allowed more leeway to express their opinions, which makes sense because, after all, people read commenters for their opinions, not for "objective" recitations of facts. But they are also required to, you know, not make shit up. I've never been a reporter. I've always been a commenter. (Well, most of the time; some of the stuff I've written has been fairly dry, heavy on facts and light on opinion.) If you look through my "serious journalism" online, you will find a lot of opinions in it, as well as some jokes. I don't think any of my Appall-o-meter pieces for In These Times are up online, but they were very similar in spirit to what I do here. For someone who talks so much about journalism, some guy, you don't seem to really know much about it. |
2012-09-18T16:27:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/17/the-debate-is-on-and-off-and-on-again-then-really-really-on/comment-page-3/#comment-204602 |
I'm pretty sure that "sexual equality" does indeed mean that they think they have a right to get laid and that women saying no to them is misandry. Also, the Tunguska event is misandry!!!1! |
2012-09-18T13:25:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/18/you-cant-have-social-equality-for-women-without-sexual-equality-for-men-and-other-completely-baffling-mens-rights-slogans/comment-page-1/#comment-204556 |
I think someguy is pure troll, and just trying to annoy me as much as he can, but unfortunately for him it's really not working very well. I doubt there's anything sincere about him. He's a fan of my writing for Salon? I haven't written anything for them in more than a decade | 2012-09-17T21:27:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/17/the-debate-is-on-and-off-and-on-again-then-really-really-on/comment-page-2/#comment-204444 |
Ugh et al, yeah, I gotta do a Warren Farrell post one of these days. The Myth of Male Power is full of all sorts of not-so-bon mots and just plain weirdness. And maybe 70% of MRA talking points seem to have been cribbed directly from it (the rest all seem to come from a quick readings of evo-psych books and PUA sites). |
2012-09-17T21:24:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/17/the-debate-is-on-and-off-and-on-again-then-really-really-on/comment-page-2/#comment-204442 |
Someguy, think of it as a giant book of terrible, terrible quotations, with extensive annotations. Or think of it as a giant red duck. I don't really care what you think of it. |
2012-09-17T20:59:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/17/the-debate-is-on-and-off-and-on-again-then-really-really-on/comment-page-2/#comment-204433 |
What if having you would have been inconvenient for your mom? What if you were the result of one night of indiscretion, and she didn’t want to be reminded of it every day for the rest of her life.What if your parents had an argument on the night you would have been conceived, and didn't have sex? What if your dad had masturbated instead of having sex with your mom on the night you otherwise would have been conceived, and the sperm that would have turned into you ended up on a kleenex instead? What if your parents had anal sex on the night that you otherwise would have been conceived and the sperm that would have been you, well, I think you see where this is going. There are typically about 280 sperm in a typical ejaculation; what if a different sperm had gotten there first? What if instead of arms we had flippers? What if pelicans were actually penguins? What if bees didn't sting but just used sarcasm to make you feel bad instead? |
2012-09-17T01:15:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/14/vagina-and-consequences/comment-page-5/#comment-204202 |
I mainly just used neon glow, and fiddled with the contrast and color saturation. A lot of the graininess comes from the fact that the original pics were pretty grainy, mainly because I really have no idea how to photograph things properly. A lot of the nice details in the fur, etc didn't really become visible before I ran the pics through the filters. I think GIMP has a neon glow filter, but I never figured out how to use GIMP. |
2012-09-16T22:26:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/16/meet-the-kittens-5-the-gratuitous-photoshop-filter-years/comment-page-1/#comment-204175 |
They're already more than twice as big as when I got them a little over a month and a half ago. They eat a LOT. (And poop a lot, too.) | 2012-09-16T20:48:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/16/meet-the-kittens-5-the-gratuitous-photoshop-filter-years/comment-page-1/#comment-204162 |
Or maybe I've read you all wrong, Phil, and you assume that only the woman is supposed to be "considerate and empathetic" to her husband/boyfriend, and not the other way around. | 2012-09-14T19:13:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/14/vagina-and-consequences/comment-page-2/#comment-203671 |
Phil, please explain to me how exactly this is an example of "being considerate and empathetic."
(4) Understands that there is a sexual marketplace, and that women have an earlier peak of sexual desirability than men do.What if she doesn't "understand" this? Do you break up with her? Do you show her unflattering pictures of herself until she cries and admits she's gotten all ugly? Even if you think that "women get ugly faster than men" is some sort of natural law, what possible difference does it make to a man if his wife or girlfriend doesn't agree with this? |
2012-09-14T19:10:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/14/vagina-and-consequences/comment-page-2/#comment-203669 |
metamucil changed my life | 2012-09-14T18:31:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/14/vagina-and-consequences/comment-page-2/#comment-203657 |
Seraph, I too have a certain fondness for Disturbing Behavior, a mediocre but somehow still enjoyable movie with a decent premise. | 2012-09-14T17:35:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/14/vagina-and-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-203625 |
Baroncognito, I know! He's got that french horn in both performances, too. What a tease. | 2012-09-14T14:56:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/13/off-topic-yes-the-pie-throwing-angel-bassist-is-wearing-roller-skates/comment-page-1/#comment-203564 |
Basta. Really? You guys are the weirdest activists I've ever run across. Most activists, when you ask them what they do, will actually tell you what they do. But you can't say what you guys actually do to help men because somehow I will do something nefarious with that answer? Yet despite your need for operational secrecy I can still find out what you guys are doing by reading AVFM? As far as I can tell, the only activism that AVFM does is 1) promote and raise money for itself and 2) glom onto and sometimes claim credit for the things SAVE does and 3) organize giant demonstrations in Washington DC to protest the Titanic, or something. Oh, wait, that last one didn't happen. Could you remind me again what activism AVFM does besides these things? |
2012-09-14T04:53:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/11/posters-getting-torn-down-a-crime-against-humanity-includes-video-footage-of-johntheothers-epic-confrontation-with-alleged-box-cutter-wielding-gang/comment-page-5/#comment-203382 |
Oh, I should mention another friend of mine whose big issue is rape. I'm not sure she would consider herself an activist, exactly but she regularly volunteers with a rape crisis center; sometimes she is on call to go out to meet with rape victims (which may mean staying with them for 8 hours at the hospital as they are examined/treated by doctors there, and talk to police), sometimes she coordinates the other volunteers who do this. She works with female rape victims; but there are other volunteers always on call to work with male victims as well. | 2012-09-14T02:27:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/11/posters-getting-torn-down-a-crime-against-humanity-includes-video-footage-of-johntheothers-epic-confrontation-with-alleged-box-cutter-wielding-gang/comment-page-5/#comment-203360 |
basta, no of course I don't need names and addresses. Just an example of some MRA activism that actually helps men in some real way. For example, I have a friend who feels strongly about abortion rights, and so she organizes demonstrations and regularly volunteers as an escort at a clinic so that patients can get into the clinic without being harassed by the anti-abortion assholes who go to the clinic every day to harass people. So that is what she is doing. When I was in college, I was part of the divestment movement, trying to pressure the school to divest from companies tied to south africa, as a way of putting pressure on the Apartheid govt there. We organized talks, protests, sit-ins, shanty-towns, wrote letter to the editors, arranged speak-ins, got signatures on petitions to give to the administration. So what are you guys doing? I don't need operational details, just some things you are doing. |
2012-09-14T02:17:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/11/posters-getting-torn-down-a-crime-against-humanity-includes-video-footage-of-johntheothers-epic-confrontation-with-alleged-box-cutter-wielding-gang/comment-page-5/#comment-203358 |
BASTA! So what, specifically, are you doing to help better the lives of men? | 2012-09-14T00:29:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/11/posters-getting-torn-down-a-crime-against-humanity-includes-video-footage-of-johntheothers-epic-confrontation-with-alleged-box-cutter-wielding-gang/comment-page-5/#comment-203347 |
Another classic lip sync (or non-lip-sync) moment on television: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZLhqTzjpUM |
2012-09-13T17:33:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/13/off-topic-yes-the-pie-throwing-angel-bassist-is-wearing-roller-skates/comment-page-1/#comment-203321 |
Well, yeah, they're really not even pretending that they're actually playing the song live. But, come on, Roy Wood was a GENIUS. | 2012-09-13T16:59:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/13/off-topic-yes-the-pie-throwing-angel-bassist-is-wearing-roller-skates/comment-page-1/#comment-203309 |
Uh, while (as I acknowledged) some of the Dworkin quotes were accurate, or roughly accurate, the second alleged quote from Dworkin on the list I examined does nott, in fact, appear on the page you link to. What quote are you talking about? | 2012-09-12T01:56:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/02/15/factchecking-a-list-of-hateful-quotes-from-feminists/comment-page-4/#comment-202921 |
MGTOWMRA,today:
BTW I am not lying regarding my wife. I have no motivation to lie about being married.In fact we just celebrated our second anniversary last month (August 4th is our date). We plan to go Vail Colorado to celebrate it( a delayed celebration inasmuch as we both love to ski as a hobby).Yes we did meet on a blog on the internet and yes we both are on opposites sides of the spectrum -feminist and MRA, but it’s working and has its ups and downs like any relationship. I am grateful and feel truly blessed to be married 2 years. I have no reason to fib about that.http://manboobz.com/2012/09/11/posters-getting-torn-down-a-crime-against-humanity-includes-video-footage-of-johntheothers-epic-confrontation-with-alleged-box-cutter-wielding-gang/comment-page-2/#comment-202810 MGTOWMRA, two months ago: At 40, I am a happy bachelor. I have a fulfilling career, wake up go to the health club and embrace each day as an mgtow. I have many hobbies that keep me occupied. My mgtow friends feel the same way as I do.We have been burned by women. We are cooked.Therefore we remain happy men without a woman in our lives.It is an individual choice we men have made to avoid marriage and romantic relationships with women but we do not force our philosophy on anyone, male or female. Live and let live.http://manboobz.com/2012/07/06/mgtower-most-women-are-shined-shaven-social-succubi-desirous-of-everything-and-deserving-of-nothing/comment-page-2/#comment-170146 |
2012-09-11T21:42:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/11/posters-getting-torn-down-a-crime-against-humanity-includes-video-footage-of-johntheothers-epic-confrontation-with-alleged-box-cutter-wielding-gang/comment-page-3/#comment-202827 |
Also, Darlene, welcome! | 2012-09-09T20:38:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/09/paul-elam-on-stupid-lying-whores-rebecca-watson-and-how-he-never-claims-to-be-a-victim-even-though-he-totally-is-one/comment-page-1/#comment-202137 |
Darlene, I redacted John's last name there because, even though he himself has identified himself by his own name online, he likes to pretend that anyone else who uses the name is somehow "doxxing" him. I'd like to not give him any more excuses to pull that sort of crap, so I'm not allowing it on the blog/forum. | 2012-09-09T20:34:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/09/paul-elam-on-stupid-lying-whores-rebecca-watson-and-how-he-never-claims-to-be-a-victim-even-though-he-totally-is-one/comment-page-1/#comment-202134 |
Shaenon, I can't be expected to know about eagles! I only know about kitties. | 2012-09-08T14:10:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/08/more-manly-man-rock-from-the-men-of-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-201842 |
I know three women who use IUDs; for one of them, it's been great. The other two bled, like all the time, for months and months. | 2012-09-06T19:15:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/06/how-to-get-downvoted-on-the-mens-rights-subreddit-sandra-fluke-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-201353 |
Some guy, I'm not complaining about the downvotes.I find upvotes and downvotes helpful for giving me an idea of how completely misguided the folks in r/mr are. | 2012-09-06T19:05:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/06/how-to-get-downvoted-on-the-mens-rights-subreddit-sandra-fluke-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-201349 |
Stonecipher Beadsman is indeed one of our returning trolls, not trying very hard to avoid detection, as the name is a reference to Lenore Stonecipher Beadsman, the heroine of David Foster Wallace's Broom of the System, Banned, even though I did sort of enjoy SB's stories about pooping. |
2012-09-06T15:40:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/06/complementarian-loner-due-to-their-lame-banal-talking-women-show-they-are-only-good-for-sex-so-online-sexual-harassment-of-women-is-just-peachy/comment-page-2/#comment-201238 |
Cloudiah, could you send me your screencaps? I missed the worst of the comments in that thread. | 2012-09-06T12:12:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/05/the-man-boobz-street-team-flying-squad-goes-on-a-postering-blitz/comment-page-1/#comment-201138 |
I just put this post up on Reddit, if anyone wants to lend it an upvote or two: http://www.reddit.com/r/feminisms/duplicates/zekoz/ann_barnhardt_contemporary_antisuffragette_as/ |
2012-09-05T13:21:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/04/ann-barnhardt-contemporary-anti-suffragette-as-soon-as-the-19th-amendment-was-passed-men-were-effectively-castrated-and-in-many-many-cases-disenfranchised-by-their-wives/comment-page-2/#comment-200911 |
(Twin Peaks reference) | 2012-09-05T00:56:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/04/ann-barnhardt-contemporary-anti-suffragette-as-soon-as-the-19th-amendment-was-passed-men-were-effectively-castrated-and-in-many-many-cases-disenfranchised-by-their-wives/comment-page-1/#comment-200815 |
The owls are not what they seem. | 2012-09-05T00:55:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/04/ann-barnhardt-contemporary-anti-suffragette-as-soon-as-the-19th-amendment-was-passed-men-were-effectively-castrated-and-in-many-many-cases-disenfranchised-by-their-wives/comment-page-1/#comment-200814 |
Worst autocorrect ever (NSFW): http://cdn.damnyouautocorrect.com/images/surprise-mom.jpg | 2012-09-04T03:16:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/01/how-mras-view-the-world-in-cartoon-form/comment-page-1/#comment-200625 |
I actually think David is only bribable with kitties.At the moment I have all the kitties I can handle. (Two.) |
2012-09-04T01:41:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/03/mgtower-raise-girls-to-be-farmers-to-keep-them-from-becoming-whores/comment-page-2/#comment-200607 |
Noadi, I agree: Der Igel's comment starts out pretty good, then as he continues the underlying misogyny seeps into it more and more. | 2012-09-03T17:47:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/03/mgtower-raise-girls-to-be-farmers-to-keep-them-from-becoming-whores/comment-page-1/#comment-200500 |
Am I interpreting this correctly?Uh, no, no you are not. Indeed, you could not be interpreting this LESS correctly. You must be a barrel of laughs every April 1st. |
2012-09-03T05:12:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/02/the-man-boobz-street-team-sprays-the-world-with-love/comment-page-1/#comment-200448 |
Actually my poem was just an old nursery rhyme with a couple of altered letters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_do_not_like_thee,_Doctor_Fell |
2012-09-02T17:13:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/01/father-benedict-groeschel-in-a-lot-of-the-cases-of-sexual-abuse-by-priests-the-youngster-is-the-seducer-friars-he-didnt-mean-to-blame-the-victims/comment-page-3/#comment-200397 |
I do not like thee, Doctor Pell, The reason why I cannot tell; But this I know, and know full well, I do not like thee, Doctor Pell. ... and banned. |
2012-09-02T15:10:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/09/01/father-benedict-groeschel-in-a-lot-of-the-cases-of-sexual-abuse-by-priests-the-youngster-is-the-seducer-friars-he-didnt-mean-to-blame-the-victims/comment-page-3/#comment-200378 |
Oh, wait, there was another comment by the One Who Will Not Comment Here caught in the spam filter. I let that one through too. | 2012-09-01T15:32:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/31/peter-andrew-nolanc-its-a-disaster-to-say-never-hit-women-it-destroys-the-womans-ability-to-bond-closely-with-the-man-via-a-good-spanking/comment-page-4/#comment-200113 |
Also, Nolan, as Supreme Judge in Man Boobz Scented Candles Admiralty Court I'm levying a 2000 troy ounce of 99.999999% pure gold fine on you just because I can. I will accept payment in pizza, though not all at the same time. | 2012-09-01T15:10:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/31/peter-andrew-nolanc-its-a-disaster-to-say-never-hit-women-it-destroys-the-womans-ability-to-bond-closely-with-the-man-via-a-good-spanking/comment-page-3/#comment-200103 |
Scroll up for some comments from Mr. Nolan. I would respond, but I am too busy collecting the 1000 troy ounces of 99.9% pure gold I owe him. | 2012-09-01T15:08:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/31/peter-andrew-nolanc-its-a-disaster-to-say-never-hit-women-it-destroys-the-womans-ability-to-bond-closely-with-the-man-via-a-good-spanking/comment-page-3/#comment-200101 |
Any of you with accounts on Reddit, could I trouble you for an upvote or two? http://www.reddit.com/r/feminisms/duplicates/z595i/mra_defends_domestic_violence_and_child_abuse_as/ |
2012-08-31T12:52:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/31/peter-andrew-nolanc-its-a-disaster-to-say-never-hit-women-it-destroys-the-womans-ability-to-bond-closely-with-the-man-via-a-good-spanking/comment-page-1/#comment-199838 |
I just did a quick post on Nolan's creepy comment. And I downloaded his ebook! Not sure if I have the patience to actually read it. |
2012-08-31T12:22:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/30/the-thinking-housewife-when-women-were-denied-the-vote-they-could-reside-on-a-higher-plane-far-from-the-oily-ministrations-of-politicians/comment-page-2/#comment-199825 |
MK, I don't know about that. But what I do know is that you can buy yourself a lovely "cock carousel" t-shirt (or mug, or stickers) at the Man Boobz store on Zazzle! (See the link at the top of the page.) | 2012-08-31T11:40:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/22/yo-dudes-alpha-males-are-a-myth-according-to-actual-experts-on-wolves/comment-page-6/#comment-199816 |
jimmy: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rapey http://manboobz.com/2012/08/02/roosh-v-has-a-little-trouble-with-the-concept-of-no-tw-rape-apologia/ |
2012-08-31T01:13:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/30/gold-digging-cts-and-over-inflated-pussy-an-a-voice-for-menner-refutes-roosh/comment-page-2/#comment-199728 |
Cloudiah, dip your feet in honey and let a bear chew off your bunions. I should note I was expelled from the Official League of Podiatrists and given a very stern talking to for my innovative yet feared and misunderstood theories of Bear-assisted podiatry. |
2012-08-31T00:13:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/30/gold-digging-cts-and-over-inflated-pussy-an-a-voice-for-menner-refutes-roosh/comment-page-2/#comment-199709 |
I'm pretty sure that "not dropping everything to write about whatever Some Guy on the internet wants me to write about on my blog which is not actually about that topic" is not a breach of the Ethical Journalist Hippocratic Oath. Nor is "accurately quoting misogynistic doofuses and making sometimes funny comments about them." | 2012-08-31T00:09:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/30/gold-digging-cts-and-over-inflated-pussy-an-a-voice-for-menner-refutes-roosh/comment-page-2/#comment-199704 |
Ok, I confess. I'm not really a journalist. I'm actually a podiatrist. My whole life is a lie. | 2012-08-30T23:58:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/30/gold-digging-cts-and-over-inflated-pussy-an-a-voice-for-menner-refutes-roosh/comment-page-2/#comment-199692 |
Also, while neither the Men's Rights movement in general nor AVFM in particular matter all that much in the grand scheme of things, misogyny does. That's the real topic of the blog; the people I write about, while not necessary important in themselves, offer interesting case studies. Also, they are often inadvertently hilarious, as I think everyone here but you has noticed. |
2012-08-30T23:33:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/30/gold-digging-cts-and-over-inflated-pussy-an-a-voice-for-menner-refutes-roosh/comment-page-1/#comment-199675 |
I'm pretty sure AVFM's vendetta against Mary Kellett is not actually the most significant story of our age. Nor is it one I am interested in. Hope that helps! |
2012-08-30T23:26:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/30/gold-digging-cts-and-over-inflated-pussy-an-a-voice-for-menner-refutes-roosh/comment-page-1/#comment-199673 |
Also, the statements you present re: size of MRA community demonstrates that you have reason to believe Roosh V is very much wrong about his statements towards Elam and MRAs.Uh, he said that Elam and MRAs hadn't actually accomplished anything because all they do is sit on their asses and complain online. Which is true for all but a tiny, tiny handful of them, and the only thing these "activists" seem to be doing now is putting up posters for avfm. The size of the readership doesn't matter all that much when the readership doesn't do anything in the real world. FWIW, Roosh has a MUCH bigger audience than AVFM, according to Alexa. |
2012-08-30T12:51:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/29/pua-douche-roosh-v-mens-rights-activists-use-their-illusionary-movement-as-an-excuse-to-sit-on-their-ass-and-be-a-loser-at-life/comment-page-4/#comment-199496 |
digenes, there is a separate man boobz forum that runs on php -- the link is in the sidebar. But most of the discussion still happens here on the blog. | 2012-08-30T03:52:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/29/pua-douche-roosh-v-mens-rights-activists-use-their-illusionary-movement-as-an-excuse-to-sit-on-their-ass-and-be-a-loser-at-life/comment-page-2/#comment-199339 |
1) overlap between pua and mr 100%? 50%? 20%?Overlap in readership? Who the hell knows. (And it depends on how you measure this.) Overlap in terrible ideas about women? 95% 2) size of mr communityAgain, depends on how you measure it. In terms of blog readers? Tens of thousands. In terms of "active" mras and commenters, a LOT smaller. Hundreds, maybe. Actual activists? A tiny handful. 3) websites that identify as mr websites3 big ones, plus one big MGTOW one, all with tens of thousands of at least semi-regular readers. Not sure how much of that is overlap. Dozens of smaller ones, easily more than a hundred if you count misogynist sites that may not explicitly define themselves as MRAs. |
2012-08-30T03:09:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/29/pua-douche-roosh-v-mens-rights-activists-use-their-illusionary-movement-as-an-excuse-to-sit-on-their-ass-and-be-a-loser-at-life/comment-page-2/#comment-199333 |
Hey, if any Redditors want to upvote this, it would be really helpful and much appreciated: http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/duplicates/z1mw9/pua_douche_roosh_v_mens_rights_activists_use/ | 2012-08-29T17:58:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/29/pua-douche-roosh-v-mens-rights-activists-use-their-illusionary-movement-as-an-excuse-to-sit-on-their-ass-and-be-a-loser-at-life/comment-page-1/#comment-199195 |
Nanasha, that's great news! Happy purring kitty! | 2012-08-29T17:43:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/28/fake-spooge-and-rape-jokes-a-new-frontier-in-mens-rights-activism/comment-page-3/#comment-199185 |
some guy, let me know when Elam stops banning people who disagree with him, and starts banning people for rape jokes, homophobia and racism, and I will offer him sincere praise. Of course, if he were to do that, he's have to start with himself, since he's made homophobic remarks and rape jokes on reddit and on AVFM. |
2012-08-29T16:10:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/27/splitsville-paul-elam-starts-a-rival-mens-rights-subreddit-where-he-can-ban-people/comment-page-6/#comment-199150 |
Nanasha, you didn't fail your cat! You rescued him and gave him a great home, and you're doing the right things to get him treated. Same for you, Blitzgal! It's really hard to handle sick cats because they're so good at hiding their sickness, and how could you have known the food was toxic? I understand the feelings of guilt; I felt them too when my cat Bobo got sick, and I still feel them a bit to this day. I think the guilt is just a sign that you care for your cats deeply and want to do everything you can for them. |
2012-08-29T13:01:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/28/fake-spooge-and-rape-jokes-a-new-frontier-in-mens-rights-activism/comment-page-3/#comment-199102 |
DLZ is banned for rape jokes, racism and homophobia. Good work, DLZ! | 2012-08-29T12:14:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/27/splitsville-paul-elam-starts-a-rival-mens-rights-subreddit-where-he-can-ban-people/comment-page-6/#comment-199090 |
Nanasha, so sorry about your kitty. Hopefully it's something easily treatable! | 2012-08-29T12:07:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/28/fake-spooge-and-rape-jokes-a-new-frontier-in-mens-rights-activism/comment-page-2/#comment-199085 |
Nicholas, that's such a good quote I just added it to the post. | 2012-08-28T14:17:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/28/appeals-court-upholds-conviction-of-a-man-who-threatened-to-kill-a-family-court-judge-in-a-song-on-youtube/comment-page-1/#comment-198795 |
Chuck, I'm pretty sure that by any reasonable definition of the term, someone who thinks that men on juries should vote not guilty when the accused is clearly guilty of rape is an extremist. Also, I'm pretty sure that no feminists actually think that "women are wonderful just because they have vaginas." |
2012-08-28T02:05:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/27/splitsville-paul-elam-starts-a-rival-mens-rights-subreddit-where-he-can-ban-people/comment-page-4/#comment-198667 |
Chuckeedee has graced us with some of his wisdom above; just let thru moderation. Speaking of which, Chuck, I'm not criticizing Elam for banning Jeremiah and his ilk. That's perfectly reasonable; indeed, that's one of the very few reasonable things he's ever done. But, dude, since when isn't Elam himself an extremist? In any case, what's amusing to me is that (in addition to banning feminists almost instantly because he's a coward that way) Elam gets steam-coming-out-of-his-ears angry when other MRAs of whatever political persuasion disagree with him in any way at all about anything or offer even the mildest criticisms of AVFM. He's a narcissist and a control freak, and eventually he will alienate virtually everyone else in the MRM. Which will be interesting to watch. |
2012-08-28T00:46:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/27/splitsville-paul-elam-starts-a-rival-mens-rights-subreddit-where-he-can-ban-people/comment-page-3/#comment-198653 |
Dani, thanks for that! I think it's worth a post. | 2012-08-27T18:55:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/26/man-boobzers-join-the-poster-revolution-against-misandry-and-mean-ladies/comment-page-2/#comment-198495 |
cloudiah, and of course you all are correct, and now he's banned again. (I had him banned under a different IP, but he had used the same IP as MSN.) | 2012-08-27T17:17:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/25/roosh-the-pua-dude-women-are-lubricated-holes-that-exist-mostly-for-a-mans-sexual-pleasure/comment-page-4/#comment-198428 |
I’ll bet this guy is deliberately trying to incense people and give PUAs a nasty smear by making people think that they’re date rapists in disguise.Yeah, that's why he's written like 10 ebooks, and why he's' met with other PUAs in person, etc etc etc. There may be an element of self-parody (or just deliberate obnoxiousness) in some of his posts, but he's for real. |
2012-08-27T17:13:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/25/roosh-the-pua-dude-women-are-lubricated-holes-that-exist-mostly-for-a-mans-sexual-pleasure/comment-page-4/#comment-198418 |
does Pell keep using the same IP address every time?No, though this time it was similar to earlier ones. If it were the same, he'd automatically go to moderation. |
2012-08-27T17:09:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/25/roosh-the-pua-dude-women-are-lubricated-holes-that-exist-mostly-for-a-mans-sexual-pleasure/comment-page-4/#comment-198414 |
Woah, everyone's a kitty! Also, the thing I don't get about cults of personality is that the personalities at the center of them are always really shitty. Why can't there be cults of personality around people with really nice personalities? |
2012-08-27T16:56:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/27/splitsville-paul-elam-starts-a-rival-mens-rights-subreddit-where-he-can-ban-people/comment-page-1/#comment-198404 |
If any of you are on Reddit, could you please do a little upvoting? It's REALLY helpful. http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/duplicates/yxahb/splitsville_avoiceformen_starts_a_rival_mens/ And if you can think of other places to submit it, please do! Most subreddits, and most of those I usually submit to, don't seem to like these sorts of drama related posts. |
2012-08-27T16:49:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/27/splitsville-paul-elam-starts-a-rival-mens-rights-subreddit-where-he-can-ban-people/comment-page-1/#comment-198399 |
Pell's return engagement has been cancelled due to "dude, just move on already." | 2012-08-27T16:40:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/25/roosh-the-pua-dude-women-are-lubricated-holes-that-exist-mostly-for-a-mans-sexual-pleasure/comment-page-4/#comment-198391 |
P00kah, I work in my apartment and grade a lot of trolls, and I'm going to give you a "c." | 2012-08-27T00:55:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/26/man-boobzers-join-the-poster-revolution-against-misandry-and-mean-ladies/comment-page-1/#comment-198140 |
pookah is the very model of the modern concern troll! say hello to everyone at avfm for us! |
2012-08-27T00:48:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/26/man-boobzers-join-the-poster-revolution-against-misandry-and-mean-ladies/comment-page-1/#comment-198134 |
I've written manboobz.com on my cats with a sharpie, so that should drive more traffic here, at least from people in my apartment. | 2012-08-27T00:22:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/26/man-boobzers-join-the-poster-revolution-against-misandry-and-mean-ladies/comment-page-1/#comment-198123 |
Cloudiah, do you mind if I link to your post in a quick post here? | 2012-08-26T21:23:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/26/the-whole-world-is-watching-a-voice-for-men-activists-making-fools-of-themselves/comment-page-5/#comment-198076 |
I think the "Air Force One" line was Elam saying he was so macho and alpha and unconcerned with what the evil misandrist press would say about him that he was going to blow off the interview to watch an old movie about a macho dude kicking ass instead. (But then he got back to them anyway to answer their next email.) At least that's what I think it means. I'm too busy watching kitten videos on youtube to try to make sense of anything he does. |
2012-08-26T14:12:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/26/the-whole-world-is-watching-a-voice-for-men-activists-making-fools-of-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-197821 |
Ann Coulter pisses me off every time she opens her piehole. Why does anyone listen to this idiot?I know I've probably already mentioned this a zillion times, but I was in a discussion section with her back in college. She was exactly the same as she is now, and she wouldn't shut up. Also, to everyone, on the Reddit thing, seriously, a couple of upvotes would help a lot. (I don't mean to nag, but stuff gets buried quickly if it doesn't get at least a few upvotes right away.) Thanks! |
2012-08-24T16:14:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/24/ann-coulter-channels-mens-rightsers-in-her-latest-attack-on-single-women/comment-page-1/#comment-196962 |
If anyone wants to do any upvote squadding: http://www.reddit.com/r/feminisms/duplicates/yrvh3/ann_coulter_channels_mens_rightsers_in_her_latest/ |
2012-08-24T16:01:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/24/ann-coulter-channels-mens-rightsers-in-her-latest-attack-on-single-women/comment-page-1/#comment-196952 |
Joe said:
The crops are failing across the US.The corn is GOING ITS OWN WAY!! CGIOW!!!! |
2012-08-23T16:43:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/21/mgtowers-a-little-late-to-the-party-try-their-hand-at-a-downfall-parody-video/comment-page-6/#comment-196628 |
I don't know why Joe's so obsessed with gold bullion. I've got all my money tied up in chicken bullion. When the world goes to hell I'll be able to make a LOT of soup. | 2012-08-22T21:21:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/21/mgtowers-a-little-late-to-the-party-try-their-hand-at-a-downfall-parody-video/comment-page-4/#comment-196278 |
sthlivingincolor, shh! I think that might be the topic of my next post. | 2012-08-22T15:30:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/22/yo-dudes-alpha-males-are-a-myth-according-to-actual-experts-on-wolves/comment-page-3/#comment-196117 |
Graham is making a joke. He's pretty good at that, as this video (among others) makes clear. | 2012-08-22T13:05:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/22/yo-dudes-alpha-males-are-a-myth-according-to-actual-experts-on-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-195983 |
dominant breeder still is an alpha. the other wolves that aren’t breeders are betaDid you miss the part about this not actually being the case? "Betas" generally go out and start their own families, thus becoming alphas. |
2012-08-22T13:02:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/22/yo-dudes-alpha-males-are-a-myth-according-to-actual-experts-on-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-195978 |
If anyone wants to pop over to Reddit with an upvote or two: http://www.reddit.com/r/feminisms/duplicates/yncam/yo_pickup_artists_alpha_males_are_a_myth/ |
2012-08-22T12:54:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/22/yo-dudes-alpha-males-are-a-myth-according-to-actual-experts-on-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-195970 |
Yeah, that Mark thing is worth a read, I reckon. I just skimmed it. Maybe I'll set aside an hour or two to read the whole thing. | 2012-08-21T18:47:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/19/mens-rights-redditors-we-dont-mind-your-racist-hysteria-but-dont-you-ever-try-to-creep-shame-us/comment-page-2/#comment-195694 |
Oh, BTW, here's a great little book (by an anthropologist) that takes apart evo psych pretty effectively. http://www.amazon.com/Neo-liberal-Genetics-Myths-Evolutionary-Psychology/dp/0976147521 |
2012-08-20T18:49:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/20/heartiste-women-athletes-are-mannish-uggos-because-womens-natural-bodies-are-not-evolutionarily-designed-to-run-throw-fight-or-lift-optimally/comment-page-1/#comment-195331 |
kladle, yeah, I wanted to make that point in the post but couldn't quite figure out how to say it. | 2012-08-20T18:47:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/20/heartiste-women-athletes-are-mannish-uggos-because-womens-natural-bodies-are-not-evolutionarily-designed-to-run-throw-fight-or-lift-optimally/comment-page-1/#comment-195329 |
Hey, if any of you are on Reddit, could you give this an upvote? http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSFeminism/duplicates/yjui7/pickup_artist_guru_claims_women_athletes_are/ |
2012-08-20T18:44:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/20/heartiste-women-athletes-are-mannish-uggos-because-womens-natural-bodies-are-not-evolutionarily-designed-to-run-throw-fight-or-lift-optimally/comment-page-1/#comment-195326 |
Well, "David" is such an ambiguous name. Also: the "Catalogue of anti-male shaming tactics" is now #1 with a bullet in r/mr! |
2012-08-18T20:40:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/18/redditors-gamer-girls-need-to-stop-complaining-about-being-called-sluts-and-whores/comment-page-2/#comment-194670 |
I posted a link to this post in r/gaming. So far it's not going over well. http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ygam1/gamers_im_curious_what_you_think_of_the_thread_on/ |
2012-08-18T20:27:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/18/redditors-gamer-girls-need-to-stop-complaining-about-being-called-sluts-and-whores/comment-page-1/#comment-194663 |
The post about "anti-male shaming tactics" is currently the #2 post on r/mr. No sense of irony, these guys. | 2012-08-18T18:51:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/18/redditors-gamer-girls-need-to-stop-complaining-about-being-called-sluts-and-whores/comment-page-1/#comment-194590 |
I know. Disengaging from Reddit drama ... now! Well, for awhile, anyway. |
2012-08-16T21:02:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/15/is-reddits-feminism-subreddit-run-by-mras/comment-page-2/#comment-193644 |
fembot, there was a subreddit on reddit called blackfathers; it was run by racists, though eventually SRS was able to get it taken away from them, though I think that was only because it was inactive? (My memory is hazy.Anyone know more details on this?) | 2012-08-16T20:35:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/15/is-reddits-feminism-subreddit-run-by-mras/comment-page-2/#comment-193637 |
More on GWW's boyfriend: http://www.reddit.com/r/Meta_Feminism/comments/y9151/why_is_wabisabi_a_moderator_of_rmeta_feminism_but/ |
2012-08-16T20:34:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/15/is-reddits-feminism-subreddit-run-by-mras/comment-page-2/#comment-193636 |
So the r/feminism mods keep deleting comments by dissenters and have set up a new subreddit called meta-feminism to allegedly discuss the issues. Except that they keep deleting stuff there too. Also, one of the mods of meta-feminism is ... the boyfriend of GirlWritesWhat, and apparently likes to use the word "cunt" to insult people. http://www.reddit.com/r/Meta_Feminism/comments/ycncg/siiiiigggghhh/ |
2012-08-16T20:23:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/15/is-reddits-feminism-subreddit-run-by-mras/comment-page-2/#comment-193624 |
It did seem to have vanished but it's up again now. I've got a screenshot of it from when it originally ran on In Mala Fide in any case. | 2012-08-16T19:38:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/15/ferdinand-bardamu-women-should-be-terrorized-by-their-men-its-the-only-thing-that-makes-them-behave-better-than-chimps/comment-page-2/#comment-193610 |
Steele can't possibly be for real, though I suspect that whatever returning troll (or totally not a returning troll) is playing the role of Steele believes at least half of what they're posting. | 2012-08-16T18:42:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/16/girlwriteswhat-on-the-necessity-of-domestic-violence-i-dont-really-find-too-much-thats-seriously-ethically-questionable/comment-page-5/#comment-193598 |
Dr. Pell/lawgirl is banned. I may delete a few comments as well. | 2012-08-16T17:39:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/16/girlwriteswhat-on-the-necessity-of-domestic-violence-i-dont-really-find-too-much-thats-seriously-ethically-questionable/comment-page-5/#comment-193566 |
I got banned from SRS once because I posted in antiSRS -- even though I was arguing with someone there, SRS does indeed have a bot that automatically bans everyone who posts there. I messaged the mods and was quickly unbanned. | 2012-08-15T17:38:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/15/is-reddits-feminism-subreddit-run-by-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-192995 |
I do think that the "pompous mansplaining jackass" theory accounts for a lot of the terrible writing. I suspect that the floridity of a lot of the writing comes from trying to imitate older (say 18th and 19th century) writing styles; MRAs are often traditionalists/conservatives/reactionaries, and those types often write (badly) like that. | 2012-08-15T17:32:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/14/heartiste-chris-brown-is-a-great-role-model-for-wannabe-alpha-males/comment-page-5/#comment-192992 |
SRSFeminism sounds promising, but there aren't any posts there yet. | 2012-08-15T17:16:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/15/is-reddits-feminism-subreddit-run-by-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-192984 |
I've removed the video MSN posted, which was wildly inappropriate in this discussion. MSN is going on permanent moderation for posting the video and for generally being an asshole. |
2012-08-15T15:26:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/15/ferdinand-bardamu-women-should-be-terrorized-by-their-men-its-the-only-thing-that-makes-them-behave-better-than-chimps/comment-page-1/#comment-192945 |
James, do you have proof of that? I looked around and just found speculation: http://freejinger.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3342 Interesting if true. It certainly seems plausible. |
2012-08-15T14:20:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/14/the-thinking-housewife-olympic-women-athletes-too-athletic/comment-page-2/#comment-192908 |
(both found on the 2nd page of the SPLC subreddit) | 2012-08-15T13:37:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/13/hey-mras-if-you-dont-want-people-to-associate-you-with-hatred-dont-associate-yourself-with-hate-groups/comment-page-3/#comment-192890 |
funnyface, here are two links he posted to vdare: http://www.reddit.com/r/SPLC/comments/wm1u0/splcs_mark_potok_inadvertently_reveals_agenda/ http://www.reddit.com/r/SPLC/comments/wm1s6/a_whistleblower_says_the_splc_began_its/ |
2012-08-15T13:36:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/13/hey-mras-if-you-dont-want-people-to-associate-you-with-hatred-dont-associate-yourself-with-hate-groups/comment-page-3/#comment-192889 |
Just a quick followup: None of what I just wrote should be seen as a criticism of safe spaces. Many blogs do set themselves up as safe spaces and they serve a valuable function. | 2012-08-14T14:32:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/13/hey-mras-if-you-dont-want-people-to-associate-you-with-hatred-dont-associate-yourself-with-hate-groups/comment-page-3/#comment-192327 |
A brief note on my moderation policy, for those who don't understand it. (And obviously most of the people here DO understand it.) This blog is not a safe space. This blog is about exposing misogynists and other assholes by quoting the hateful things they say -- as someone famous once said, "fools are destroyed by their own words." I also allow misogynists and other assholes to post comments here, and they frequently post things as hateful as the things I quote in the posts. Again, I don't censor them for saying things that are offensive, because, again, the whole point of the blog is to expose this sort of hatred. I generally only moderate comments and people when they go after individuals in a hateful way, willfully misrepresent people, or go so far over the line that there is no point in letting them post any more. I also ban a very small number of slurs. |
2012-08-14T14:29:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/13/hey-mras-if-you-dont-want-people-to-associate-you-with-hatred-dont-associate-yourself-with-hate-groups/comment-page-3/#comment-192325 |
Dog video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swDTYA5NC0&playnext=1&list=PL328ECF72BFF745D2&feature=results_video |
2012-08-13T18:13:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/13/hey-mras-if-you-dont-want-people-to-associate-you-with-hatred-dont-associate-yourself-with-hate-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-191975 |
Kavette, so we're kids, but you're also mad because we're picking on kids? Wells, the guy allegedly doing the alleged "negotiating" over the island, is in his 40s. When I was maybe 15 or so, I was fascinated by the notion of starting my own country on a desert isle. Since many of the uninhabited islands in the world are atolls, I had the idea that I could build little floating platforms to put in the murky water in the middle of atolls to increase the amount of living space and to grow stuff on. I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about electricity or plumbing or hurricanes. Even at the time, though, I realized this was sort of a silly and impractical dream. I mean, was I really going to move to an island and grow my own food? I didn't even enjoy gardening. There's still a little part of me that wants to start my own country. Lots of people have those fantasies. Heck, sometimes I fantasize about winning the lottery (even though I don't play). But I don't start up subreddits devoted to my plans to spend my imaginary lottery money. If the guys on Reddit talking about this were all 15 years old, and had even a little bit of self-awareness about this, I'd cut them a lot of slack for their silly ideas. But they're adults. If I can't make fun of people with silly ideas, what's the point of life in the first place? |
2012-08-13T17:50:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/12/reddit-island-redux-or-the-possibly-true-saga-of-current-island/comment-page-2/#comment-191953 |
Yeah, I'll take "whore" out of the filter. | 2012-08-13T15:58:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/10/science-proves-the-mens-rights-subreddit-to-be-totally-not-completely-misogynistic/comment-page-11/#comment-191864 |
Tom, Tom, Tom, I had all of one request for you to comply with in order to continue posting here more or less unfettered: don't use the word "whore" all the time. Just the word "whore." "Prostitute" was still fine. But spelling "whore" differently to get around the filter isn't the same as not using the word. So you're going into moderation until you truly kick the "whore" habit. |
2012-08-13T15:47:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/10/science-proves-the-mens-rights-subreddit-to-be-totally-not-completely-misogynistic/comment-page-11/#comment-191856 |
I once got email from a spammer with the supposed name of TIng Pong Garcia-Bacon, which is my favorite name ever. | 2012-08-12T18:28:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/10/science-proves-the-mens-rights-subreddit-to-be-totally-not-completely-misogynistic/comment-page-10/#comment-191508 |
To be fair, the MRAs on Reddit don't seem to be involved in this at all; I just thought that little discussion in r/mr suggested that maybe they SHOULD team up. Also, the Reddit Islanders are having trouble getting organized enough to update their web site: http://www.reddit.com/r/redditisland/comments/xekav/things_that_need_to_be_done/ Dudes, try to organize a picnic. If that goes well -- and there's no cannibalism -- then move on to an actual island. |
2012-08-12T18:10:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/12/reddit-island-redux-or-the-possibly-true-saga-of-current-island/comment-page-1/#comment-191499 |
Huh. My porn name would be Susie 24th Street. | 2012-08-12T17:29:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/10/science-proves-the-mens-rights-subreddit-to-be-totally-not-completely-misogynistic/comment-page-10/#comment-191484 |
I'm putting Joe on permanent moderation. Which probably means a de facto ban, unless he stops with all the yelling and namecalling. | 2012-08-10T13:02:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/09/heres-the-video-of-the-al-jazeera-english-show-featuring-helen-lewis-and-rebecca-watson-among-others-and-me/comment-page-5/#comment-190552 |
Steele, you said before that you were an "executive." So why do you have a supervisor? Could you tell us what your job title is? | 2012-08-09T17:57:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/the-al-jazeera-english-show-im-appearing-on-starts-in-a-few-minutes/comment-page-6/#comment-190137 |
Just to make clear to those who are just catching up with the comments here, I banned ConservativeCrusader after he started posting rape joke after rape joke. I deleted those after I banned him. He wasn't banned for disagreeing. | 2012-08-09T13:12:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/08/mens-rights-redditors-discover-a-new-woman-to-hate-and-its-one-of-the-ones-i-wrote-about-in-my-last-post/comment-page-5/#comment-190030 |
Yeah, CC is banned and I deleted a bunch of his shit. The kitties are temporarily at rest at the moment. |
2012-08-09T01:12:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/08/mens-rights-redditors-discover-a-new-woman-to-hate-and-its-one-of-the-ones-i-wrote-about-in-my-last-post/comment-page-4/#comment-189934 |
Another problem with the funnel is that Roosh is waiting at the end of it. | 2012-08-08T02:57:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/06/fck-funnels-raw-dogs-and-garbage-receptacles-roosh-on-romance/comment-page-4/#comment-189341 |
justaloser, you're on moderation for annoying me. Let's try NOT cutting and pasting entire news articles into the comments for no clear reason and without attribution. | 2012-08-07T22:11:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/the-al-jazeera-english-show-im-appearing-on-starts-in-a-few-minutes/comment-page-3/#comment-189273 |
Stadard manboobz insult is, “Can’t get a date.” This is a very gendered insult directed at men. It’s in the web, therefore, worldwide misandry by women.That's not really a standard Man Boobz insult as much as it is a description of many MRAs/MGTOWers/PUA-wannabes and "incels" who spend much of their time complaining that they can't get dates (and that this is some sort of injustice). But "can't get a date" is a fairly typical MRA insult directed at male feminists -- I've gotten it from MRAs dozens of times, maybe hundreds at this point. So therefore worldwide misandry by men? |
2012-08-07T19:41:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/the-al-jazeera-english-show-im-appearing-on-starts-in-a-few-minutes/comment-page-2/#comment-189142 |
Actually, the VNN dudes say thay found it here, at this right-wing Catholic site, which got it from a Catholic magazine called The Wanderer. : hxxp://catholicinsight.com/online/features/article_882.shtml The longer piece starts out with "Most of Satan’s work in the world he takes care to keep hidden." |
2012-08-07T19:26:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/men-may-not-be-from-mars-but-a-voice-for-men-wants-them-to-get-all-the-credit-for-that-mars-landing/comment-page-2/#comment-189130 |
I went searching for the source of NWOs stuff on the Frankfurt school (or as he spelled it in the non-cut-and-pasted part of his comment, the Frankford School). It's part of a larger screed on "cultural marxism" that's been posted all over the far-right-moonbat-esphere. I found the most complete version on the Vanguard News Service forums, a neo-Nazi website whose slogan is "No Jews. Just Right." Here's a (deliberately borked) link: hxxp://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=107413 Is that where you found it, slavey? |
2012-08-07T19:22:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/men-may-not-be-from-mars-but-a-voice-for-men-wants-them-to-get-all-the-credit-for-that-mars-landing/comment-page-2/#comment-189127 |
the MRM is basically the manifestation of a collective persecution complex of about 5000 misogynists who are incapable of introspection. Prettty much. Not sure about the number. Certainly many more than that read the MRA sites. But only a fraction of that write or comment on them. So the number of "real" MRAs remains unknown. The number of real MRA activists? Four, maybe. |
2012-08-07T19:08:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/men-may-not-be-from-mars-but-a-voice-for-men-wants-them-to-get-all-the-credit-for-that-mars-landing/comment-page-2/#comment-189118 |
And another from him:
I wager that Futrelle will end up using being used to fearmonger muslim women away for the supposed evils of the west. |
2012-08-07T18:02:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/the-al-jazeera-english-show-im-appearing-on-starts-in-a-few-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-189072 |
Oh, BTW, r/mensrights has discovered I was on Al Jazeera, leading to a very surreal discussion here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/xu26h/al_jazeera_using_david_futrelle_as_a_useful_idiot/
My favorite quote, from ex-man boobz troll Eoghan, who posts on reddit as sigil1:
From what I've seen of it, Futrelle could well end up part of an anti-american propaganda segment on the non english speaking Al Jazeera. Fingers crossed. |
2012-08-07T18:01:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/the-al-jazeera-english-show-im-appearing-on-starts-in-a-few-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-189069 |
shade, I put the kittens in the other room. otherwise they would have definitely managed to get themselves on top of me, or walked across the laptop. | 2012-08-07T15:37:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/the-al-jazeera-english-show-im-appearing-on-starts-in-a-few-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-188980 |
Woah, that went fast! I think I had one comment in the show proper, and a slightly longer one in the online postshow? Not sure. Thanks, everyone. I thought the discussion went well, though as Cliff says it wasn't anything we haven't heard already. I was sort of surprised they didn't ask Rebecca more about the harassment she's gotten, but she didn't really bring it up herself. (All of us in the "hangout" were chatting (typing) with a producer behind the scenes the whole time, coming up with questions and so on, which, while necessary to keep the show running smoothly, was also distracting.) The whole process was very educational! I'll post the YouTube link once they put the video up; it'll include the postshow as well. |
2012-08-07T15:34:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/the-al-jazeera-english-show-im-appearing-on-starts-in-a-few-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-188978 |
Cliff, obviously that's a woman. I totally know a lot of women named Guy. | 2012-08-07T12:40:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/men-may-not-be-from-mars-but-a-voice-for-men-wants-them-to-get-all-the-credit-for-that-mars-landing/comment-page-1/#comment-188901 |
They also announced a “ZetaCamp” that was planned for this July, never announced a cancellation, and yet there’s no after-action report or any mention of it after May.I forgot about this! I will have to start making references to it whenever I can find an excuse to. Hello mater, Hello pater Here I am at A camp for Zetas They've had how many articles so far about their recent poster run? I guess that counts as a meetup since more than one person was involved. |
2012-08-07T12:39:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/07/men-may-not-be-from-mars-but-a-voice-for-men-wants-them-to-get-all-the-credit-for-that-mars-landing/comment-page-1/#comment-188900 |
Sean, NWO has been sort of phoning it in lately, and Tom is definitely off his game tonight. Perhaps because I've banned him from using his favorite word, "whore." (I'm allowed to use it, though.) Also, to everyone, having now watched a couple of episodes of TheStream, I can say that they do indeed use some of the webcam comments that people send in. Same thing with tweets -- just use the hashtag #AJStream. So I'd encourage any of you to send some nice pithy comments in to them. |
2012-08-07T03:52:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/06/i-will-be-appearing-on-al-jazeera-english-tomorrow-afternoon-and-you-can-be-a-part-of-it-too/comment-page-1/#comment-188769 |
Jumbofish, they put each episode of the show up on their youtube channel a day or so after it airs. I'm not going to be one of the main featured guests; they have a couple of guests in the studio and four or five guests on a sort of webcam panel. I[m one of the latter. |
2012-08-07T03:31:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/06/i-will-be-appearing-on-al-jazeera-english-tomorrow-afternoon-and-you-can-be-a-part-of-it-too/comment-page-1/#comment-188763 |
Hey, everybody! I'm going to need you all to move to an isolated agricultural compound in the jungles of South America. Well, you're going to need to build it first. Also, give me all your money so I can buy some land. Oh, crap. I don't even have a passport. This cult thing requires a lot more planning than I expected. |
2012-08-07T02:45:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/05/mens-rights-redditor-i-advocate-the-removal-of-judges-politicians-and-other-government-agents-who-violate-the-constitution-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-10/#comment-188761 |
hrovitnir, the cat overpopulation problem is tough. I know that the shelter I got them from tries hard to get as many of their cats adopted as possible. Obviously what needs to happen is for more people to get their cats spayed/neutered (and to get as many feral cats fixed as possible as well). I understand the difficult work the "kill" shelters have to do, but I know that I couldn't volunteer at one; it would just make me too sad. | 2012-08-07T00:10:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/06/meet-the-kittens-2-the-cutening/comment-page-1/#comment-188732 |
Kladle, I think you may be right, but I deleted your comment b/c I don't want to put any more info about any of this online. | 2012-08-06T23:35:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-released-from-jail-court-rules-that-threats-on-the-internet-do-not-count-as-incitement/comment-page-8/#comment-188712 |
Cassandra, exactly. I don't want vigilantes using this site to further their agendas, *whatever* their agendas are. | 2012-08-06T23:25:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-released-from-jail-court-rules-that-threats-on-the-internet-do-not-count-as-incitement/comment-page-8/#comment-188706 |
... and the IP posting as "robert" is coming from a different continent from where "robert" is supposed to live. I should have caught this sooner, but in any case I have deleted all mentions of his last name. I'm not sure if it's also worth going back and deleting the comments from the alt account as well. |
2012-08-06T23:24:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-released-from-jail-court-rules-that-threats-on-the-internet-do-not-count-as-incitement/comment-page-8/#comment-188705 |
If the "Robert" who posted here is real, he needs a psychiatrist, and shouldn't be posting here. What makes me think this is a smear campaign, or some other kind of trolling, is that the person posting as "Robert" used an email that linked up to one of the two sites online doxxing the real (?) Robert. |
2012-08-06T23:20:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-released-from-jail-court-rules-that-threats-on-the-internet-do-not-count-as-incitement/comment-page-8/#comment-188702 |
I was uncomfortable enough with where this discussion was going. Now someone's given me information that makes me think "Robert" is a troll, or that the person behind the account is using that name to smear a real person by that name. So "robert" and his alter-ego are banned, and I'm banning any mention of his last name. |
2012-08-06T23:10:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-released-from-jail-court-rules-that-threats-on-the-internet-do-not-count-as-incitement/comment-page-8/#comment-188697 |
ithiliana,I think it's going to be mostly women, among them Helen Lewis of the Guardian. | 2012-08-06T22:53:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/06/i-will-be-appearing-on-al-jazeera-english-tomorrow-afternoon-and-you-can-be-a-part-of-it-too/comment-page-1/#comment-188681 |
crumb, you can watch it here: http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/ some other options: http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/201146152255537258.html |
2012-08-06T20:05:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/06/i-will-be-appearing-on-al-jazeera-english-tomorrow-afternoon-and-you-can-be-a-part-of-it-too/comment-page-1/#comment-188444 |
BlackBloc, I deleted the comment. I understand the anger, but it was inappropriate. | 2012-08-06T19:51:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-released-from-jail-court-rules-that-threats-on-the-internet-do-not-count-as-incitement/comment-page-7/#comment-188424 |
Blitzgal, yeah, I'm keeping the window only partly open now so she won't climb the screen. My last cat destroyed a couple of screens trying to get at squirrels. | 2012-08-06T15:12:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/06/meet-the-kittens-2-the-cutening/comment-page-1/#comment-188129 |
Dvärghundspossen, I got them at a (mostly) cageless, no-kill shelter which is at a temporary location while their new building is finished. They were part of a larger group of kittens brought there from a kill shelter, and were in the cage to protect them from the larger older cats, and were taken out sometimes to play. Not ideal, but they seemed happy and got lots of attention. The people at the shelter were planning to let them into the general population. At their shelter's old location (I used to volunteer there), they had separate rooms for kittens, but at the temporary location they only had one big room, with some cages and other enclosures for cats that needed to be separated from the general population. . | 2012-08-06T14:49:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/06/meet-the-kittens-2-the-cutening/comment-page-1/#comment-188079 |
kats, it was Pell/Jane/Johnson, now the law firm of Pell, Jane, Johnson and Chipps. | 2012-08-06T03:33:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/05/mens-rights-redditor-i-advocate-the-removal-of-judges-politicians-and-other-government-agents-who-violate-the-constitution-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-4/#comment-187747 |
Boring new troll Mr. Chipps has been banned for being a boring old banned troll. | 2012-08-06T02:47:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/05/mens-rights-redditor-i-advocate-the-removal-of-judges-politicians-and-other-government-agents-who-violate-the-constitution-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-4/#comment-187742 |
Cloudiah, on Firefox I use the Reddit Enhancement Suite, which is a script that you can run with something called greasemonkey. (The Reddit Enhancement Suite page should explain how to get yourself set up.) | 2012-08-05T14:51:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/05/mens-rights-redditor-i-advocate-the-removal-of-judges-politicians-and-other-government-agents-who-violate-the-constitution-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-187275 |
Speaking of great classical art, I'm just starting Oedipus Rex. NO SPOILERS PLEASE! |
2012-08-04T21:14:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/04/mens-rights-redditor-on-a-mens-rights-critic-he-is-getting-older-and-homosexual-and-people-like-these-tend-to-age-like-milk-instead-of-wine/comment-page-4/#comment-187023 |
FWIW, these are "wordads," which are handled by wordpress. | 2012-08-04T20:45:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/04/mens-rights-redditor-on-a-mens-rights-critic-he-is-getting-older-and-homosexual-and-people-like-these-tend-to-age-like-milk-instead-of-wine/comment-page-4/#comment-186980 |
And Azor is indeed Mr. Al. (And was using a IP-changing-thingy until you all figured out who it was.) I don't know how you figured him out so quickly. | 2012-08-04T20:37:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/04/mens-rights-redditor-on-a-mens-rights-critic-he-is-getting-older-and-homosexual-and-people-like-these-tend-to-age-like-milk-instead-of-wine/comment-page-4/#comment-186957 |
Also, journalists are allowed to point out when people say horrible or horribly funny things. I don't misrepresent anyone. Can you point to a specific example where you think I do? I also never claim that one person's odd views represent those of everyone in the "movement." That said, I *do* point out when someone's views are widely supported by others in the movement. If you actually read through the archives, you will find that most of what I write about (when it comes to the MRA at least) comes from popular and highly trafficked MR websites; most of the comments I quote have gotten numerous upvotes. That doesn't mean that every MRA supports those beliefs, but it suggests that a lot of them do. The one today didn't get a ton of upvotes, but I consider it sort of amazing it got any at all given how strange it was. If you think Liverotto is embarrassing the MRM every time he opens his mouth, you should probably talk to him about it, not me. |
2012-08-04T17:44:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/04/mens-rights-redditor-on-a-mens-rights-critic-he-is-getting-older-and-homosexual-and-people-like-these-tend-to-age-like-milk-instead-of-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-186740 |
Bored guy, no, SuicideBanana literally believes I am Paul Elam, in the flesh. I've spoken to him at length about it. His theory is that Elam has been using "David Futrelle" as a pen name for twenty years. | 2012-08-04T17:36:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/04/mens-rights-redditor-on-a-mens-rights-critic-he-is-getting-older-and-homosexual-and-people-like-these-tend-to-age-like-milk-instead-of-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-186735 |
scrapey, I was making fun of his terrible writing. Though I remain baffled as to how he convinced himself that Goldwag is gay. | 2012-08-04T16:32:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/04/mens-rights-redditor-on-a-mens-rights-critic-he-is-getting-older-and-homosexual-and-people-like-these-tend-to-age-like-milk-instead-of-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-186689 |
Charles Bronson is a very odd example to use of someone aging gracefully. | 2012-08-04T13:47:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/04/ladies-maintain-your-youthful-glow-by-limiting-your-penis-intake/comment-page-1/#comment-186542 |
Human-Robot Personal Relationship ActThis doesn't exist outside of MRA sites because this was part of a class assignment that some professor put online; MRAs convinced themselves it was a real thing and made various alarmed posts about how the evil feminists were out to shut down their robot lady lovin before it even started. MRAs: the most gullible people in the world? misandry was what ceased my progress.Actually, Steele, what's ceasing your progress is that you write things like "misandry was what ceased my progress." Which might make a good slogan or t-shirt. Hmm. You can't really be for real. |
2012-08-04T13:33:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/roosh-v-has-a-little-trouble-with-the-concept-of-no-tw-rape-apologia/comment-page-7/#comment-186521 |
As a rising young recombinant cyborg executive, I take offense to everything that has been said by everyone ever. | 2012-08-04T02:52:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/roosh-v-has-a-little-trouble-with-the-concept-of-no-tw-rape-apologia/comment-page-6/#comment-186269 |
Suicide Banana also believes that I am Paul Elam. No, really. | 2012-08-03T18:30:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/03/mens-rights-redditor-most-women-dont-love-men-also-its-only-respectful-for-dudes-to-hang-onto-nude-pics-of-an-ex-girlfriend/comment-page-1/#comment-186083 |
Oy. Robert, he said all of these things on his blog (in English, to boot, so there's no issue with translation):
I viscerally despise cops and wish them the worst. Killing at least one cop is on my bucket list. If ever a victim of psychiatry, here is what I would do. I would first attempt to kill the cops or whoever tried to apprehend me. Failing that, I would feign docility in order to get out as soon as possible and then kill a representative of the industry as revenge. … killing cops is also very much a men’s issue. Every pig killed is also a blow against feminism, so men should be doubly elated whenever an officer goes down in the line of encroaching on our cognitive liberty. [I]f you are a victim of psychiatry, it is probably in your best interest (as well as a publicly beneficial act of activism) to kill a guard or cop in order to get a fair public trial and possibly escape treatment before it ruins your health completely.His comment about "watching" the prosecutor ended with this not-very-subtle reference to someone who had just massacred 77 people: Clearly seventy-seven body bags wasn’t enough, but I am fairly confident that you will be sorry one day.See here for specific links to the quotes on his blog: http://manboobz.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/ |
2012-08-02T18:13:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-released-from-jail-court-rules-that-threats-on-the-internet-do-not-count-as-incitement/comment-page-1/#comment-185633 |
aceofsevens, I'm not sure. News articles referred to this repeatedly -- that he had talked about stabbing a police officer on a certain day -- but I never found such a comment on his blog, so I'm not sure where it appeared or what specifically they were referring to. | 2012-08-02T17:16:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-released-from-jail-court-rules-that-threats-on-the-internet-do-not-count-as-incitement/comment-page-1/#comment-185604 |
Hugs to Cliff and whataboutthemoonz; I'm glad you're both doing well enough to talk about your awful experiences publicly. MSN, what do you mean, "interpreted?" It's not a question of interpretation. They guy is straight out justifying rape. He's not a troll; he believes this shit. |
2012-08-02T16:25:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/roosh-v-has-a-little-trouble-with-the-concept-of-no-tw-rape-apologia/comment-page-1/#comment-185560 |
Ha! I've actually seen that kitty pic before, and I'm pretty sure those are Martha Stewart's cats celebrating a birthday. Theirs? Martha's? Who knows. | 2012-08-02T16:09:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/02/the-five-million-mark/comment-page-1/#comment-185548 |
It's still got roughly as many upvotes as downvotes. Are the upvoters all trolls too? Wait a minute. This is your one and only comment here. Maybe you're a troll! |
2012-08-01T20:38:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/25/mens-rights-redditor-the-cougar-phenomenon-is-perverse-yet-we-criminalize-sex-with-fertile-women-who-havent-passed-some-arbitrary-age-limit/comment-page-6/#comment-185265 |
I'm happy to report that while the street team is imaginary, Man Boobz has gotten traffic from both Mongolia and Bolivia. | 2012-08-01T17:51:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/01/the-man-boobz-street-team-posters-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-185216 |
It had upvotes when I ran across it (see the screenshot). | 2012-08-01T17:32:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/25/mens-rights-redditor-the-cougar-phenomenon-is-perverse-yet-we-criminalize-sex-with-fertile-women-who-havent-passed-some-arbitrary-age-limit/comment-page-6/#comment-185208 |
i89 That bit of text above was typed by Pantz by leaping onto my keyboard. I think I need the kitty equivalent of mosquito netting. SO TINY. SO MUCH ENERGY. |
2012-08-01T13:06:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/31/meet-the-kittens/comment-page-1/#comment-185036 |
Karalora, your cat sounds like my old cat. She was jealous of anyone and any cat that got the attention she felt she exclusively deserved. During the relatively brief time she shared an apartment with another cat, they each claimed their own territory and would almost never venture into the other cat's territory. | 2012-07-31T14:13:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/31/meet-the-kittens/comment-page-1/#comment-184427 |
Thanks everyone! These crappy pix don't fully capture their incredible cuteness. Or their destructive power. When they're not careening around the apartment chasing each other, wrestling, or clambering over my keyboard, they are exploring every inch of the apartment looking for things to chew on or knock over. Constant motion. Since I started writing this, the two have wrestled, one has chewed on my headphone cord, and the two have chased each other into the living room and leapt over me and my laptop on the couch ... twice, happily not hitting any of the keys on my laptop except the caps lock key. Now they're in my bedroom, doing who knows what terrible things. |
2012-07-31T14:10:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/31/meet-the-kittens/comment-page-1/#comment-184425 |
Joe, I have no control over what sites link to MB, and if someone links MB it doesn't mean that I or the regulars here endorse the site that's doing the linking. The White Rights subreddit used to (and may still) links to r/mensrights. That doesn't mean that r/mensrights regulars are all a bunch of white supremacists. |
2012-07-30T17:21:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/30/the-spearhead-educated-women-are-destined-for-spinsterhood/comment-page-2/#comment-184028 |
Damn, I just fixed the last page. Now I've got to fix this one too? I'll leave it up to you all: to fix or not to fix. Also, Steele, what racial slur did Rutee use? Do I have to put you on moderation? I probably should just as a matter of course, because you're sounding more and more like an old banned troll we used to know. |
2012-07-30T16:39:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/28/the-mens-rights-subreddit-weighs-in-on-the-why-is-reddit-so-anti-woman-debate/comment-page-9/#comment-183986 |
indifferentsky, sorry for your loss. | 2012-07-30T16:37:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/28/the-mens-rights-subreddit-weighs-in-on-the-why-is-reddit-so-anti-woman-debate/comment-page-9/#comment-183984 |
1) the clue is in the name – if they were it would be called humanism or egalitarianismSo why is men's rights called men's rights again? Shouldnt it be called "equalityisticism" or something? |
2012-07-28T18:00:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/28/the-mens-rights-subreddit-weighs-in-on-the-why-is-reddit-so-anti-woman-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-183172 |
I like the response to NWO on the Atlanticwire: "Literally nothing in this post is true." That's pretty much the perfect response to everything he posts,. |
2012-07-28T16:13:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/28/the-mens-rights-subreddit-weighs-in-on-the-why-is-reddit-so-anti-woman-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-183081 |
@hrovitnir, woah, that's some serious kitty psychoanalysis! @karalora, well, there's no question that the black cat chose me. With the grey one it was more 50/50. For names I think I'm going to go with Professor Murder and Sweetie Pie Jonas, named after characters on Mr. Show ( a gangsta rapper and a jailed rap mogul who was actually a kitten, respectively). I will probably just end up calling the Prof. by her nickname "Pantz." Weeeird fact: Prof. Murder, who looks a bit like my old cat Bobo (but with longer fur and a rounder face), was born on the same day that Bo died. Kitty reincarnation? Pix to come. |
2012-07-28T16:06:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/27/kitty-day-maybe/comment-page-2/#comment-183078 |
nanasha, sorry to hear about the peeing problem. It sounds like the neighbor cat is at least part of the problem. maybe you should pee on your neighbor? | 2012-07-28T04:38:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/27/kitty-day-maybe/comment-page-2/#comment-182974 |
KITTIES ACQUIRED! At the shelter, I wanted to adopt ALL THE CATS but settled on two kittens, one black, one grey with somewhat wild-looking markings (stripes and spots). They are still adjusting to their new home. We had quite an extended play session earlier, and now they are napping. I might, too. Here's a picture of the grey one, More pictures to come. http://imgur.com/ABOUf |
2012-07-27T21:52:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/27/kitty-day-maybe/comment-page-1/#comment-182859 |
Thanks everyone! I will be leaving momentarily to seek kitties. | 2012-07-27T14:29:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/27/kitty-day-maybe/comment-page-1/#comment-182543 |
blitzgal, yeah someone sent me that link, or maybe it was in SRS. I haven't looked at it yet. Ugh. But thanks! Any time any of you see something really awful, send me a link! I often miss things. |
2012-07-27T14:27:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/27/johntheother-on-the-heroes-of-aurora-keywords-calculus-of-death-vagina-drug-addled-slut/comment-page-2/#comment-182539 |
Jeeezums. I haven't read the whole thread here yet but I did just do a search for the word "dude" on my wordpress comments page and found that it has been used in 5206 comments here. Now 5207. Dude. | 2012-07-26T22:22:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/26/why-do-mens-rights-activists-hate-the-heroes-of-the-aurora-theater-shooting/comment-page-8/#comment-182245 |
livingcolor and cloudiah, thanks for the info and links on Taranto.
also, garvan (in a moderated comment I just let through; I can't remember if he's moderated or banned), said
Just like when Futrelle went back in time that one episode and laughed at the dudes dying on the Titantic.I love how you guys just make up whatever you want to believe about me and somehow convince yourself it's true. When the fuck did I laugh at anyone dying on the Titanic? As I've pointed out a zillion times, my great grandfather was one of them. Remember that time garvan ate those puppies? Man, that was disturbing. |
2012-07-26T14:33:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/26/why-do-mens-rights-activists-hate-the-heroes-of-the-aurora-theater-shooting/comment-page-1/#comment-181704 |
Cloudiah, that's comedy gold! You gotta email me this shit immediately when you see it! | 2012-07-25T20:26:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/25/mens-rights-redditor-the-cougar-phenomenon-is-perverse-yet-we-criminalize-sex-with-fertile-women-who-havent-passed-some-arbitrary-age-limit/comment-page-1/#comment-181447 |
Yeah, same IP as our friend Wil, along with the comma thing. Gosh, I wonder if that means anything he said about himself as Wil might possibly be suspect. Wil/Joan also tried to post under the name Macabe, promoting a really nasty blog full of personal attacks on specific feminist women, so Wil/Macabe/Joan is going on permanent moderation, maybe just a full ban, haven't decided yet. |
2012-07-25T17:36:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/23/mras-the-men-who-lost-their-lives-protecting-their-girlfriends-in-the-aurora-theater-shooting-were-suckers/comment-page-7/#comment-181320 |
Hey, Joan Reynolds, is there anything you'd like to tell us all about yourself? Have we ever met you before? | 2012-07-25T17:10:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/23/mras-the-men-who-lost-their-lives-protecting-their-girlfriends-in-the-aurora-theater-shooting-were-suckers/comment-page-7/#comment-181297 |
NWO has been posting on the men's rights subreddit and I think I saw him recently on the spearhead as well. He gets upvotes. | 2012-07-25T16:04:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/25/manosphere-blogger-blames-obama-jesse-jackson-and-feminists-for-the-aurora-theater-shootings-yes-really/comment-page-1/#comment-181231 |
what is happening | 2012-07-24T20:42:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/23/mras-the-men-who-lost-their-lives-protecting-their-girlfriends-in-the-aurora-theater-shooting-were-suckers/comment-page-6/#comment-180724 |
Wil: http://bustedcoverage.com/2012/06/29/5-olympic-weightlifting-women-guaranteed-to-kick-your-whimp-ass/ |
2012-07-24T20:19:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/23/mras-the-men-who-lost-their-lives-protecting-their-girlfriends-in-the-aurora-theater-shooting-were-suckers/comment-page-6/#comment-180700 |
I think instead of referring directly to sunshinemary, we should just refer to "certain antifeminist Christian women bloggers who fart a lot," just to keep the whole passive-aggressive thing going here. | 2012-07-24T17:45:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/24/hawaiian-libertarian-misogyny-is-the-key-to-male-liberation-from-blue-pill-delusions/comment-page-2/#comment-180493 |
Roughly a gazillion comments from wil got caught in the spam filter (different from the moderation filter). I let them all through. Wil, perhaps you should slow down your posting a little. That's probably what triggered the filter. |
2012-07-24T17:33:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/23/mras-the-men-who-lost-their-lives-protecting-their-girlfriends-in-the-aurora-theater-shooting-were-suckers/comment-page-5/#comment-180473 |
Newbie: I deleted your last comment. That sort of personal attack is way over the line. I'm putting you on moderation for now. sunshinemary, if you're referring to Newbie's comment, no, that sort of comment isn't allowed here, no matter whom it's directed towards. |
2012-07-24T16:16:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/24/hawaiian-libertarian-misogyny-is-the-key-to-male-liberation-from-blue-pill-delusions/comment-page-1/#comment-180345 |
Damn, you guys are good. Checked the IP, and it's very similar to that of dear old Pell/Jane. Which is good enough for me. Plonked. | 2012-07-23T19:09:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/22/far-from-ok-cupid/comment-page-7/#comment-179838 |
Jean, you're trying too hard. | 2012-07-23T18:38:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/22/far-from-ok-cupid/comment-page-7/#comment-179808 |
>>>So I seek to create a voluntaryist / cooperative society by peaceful / reformist means. And I seek to create a utopia through magic rainbows and unicorns.DOWN WITH UNICORNISM! KITTYISM IS THE TRUE PATH! Also, I want there to be tiny elephants so I could have some as pets. And to be able to fly. |
2012-07-23T18:34:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/22/far-from-ok-cupid/comment-page-7/#comment-179805 |
Thanks, pilllowinhell, I was expecting this sort of thing from some MRAs, though I thought AVfM would be first. Doing a quick post on this now. | 2012-07-23T17:19:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/23/in-the-wake-of-the-tragedy-in-aurora-mens-rights-redditors-take-a-brave-stance-against-vagina-pedestaling-andcreep-shaming/comment-page-1/#comment-179761 |
Garvan said:
Did Mr. Futrelle just say a mass murderer is better than a serial rapist? I guess this is why Mr. Futrelle is okay with promoting feminism.No, and I think you're perfectly aware that I didn't say that. I don't think that "game" would have prevented him from killing, so he might well have ended up both a mass killer and a mass rapist. Or he would have tried "game" and gotten frustrated and planned an even more grisly massacre. The best case" scenario I envisioned was just that, what I imagine the best possible case would be. And it would still be horrific. |
2012-07-23T16:00:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/23/in-the-wake-of-the-tragedy-in-aurora-mens-rights-redditors-take-a-brave-stance-against-vagina-pedestaling-andcreep-shaming/comment-page-1/#comment-179723 |
Cliff et al, I do agree that beneath the really problematic language throwaway does make some legitimate points. Roosh, not throwaway, is the biggest asshole here. It's just, get some sense of proportion, dude. People are dead. On the photoshopped pic. I assumed his photoshopping was obvious to everyone -- her head is much bigger than his, for example, and her pose makes no sense in relation to him. |
2012-07-23T15:12:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/23/in-the-wake-of-the-tragedy-in-aurora-mens-rights-redditors-take-a-brave-stance-against-vagina-pedestaling-andcreep-shaming/comment-page-1/#comment-179685 |
The cupcake was drawn by noted cartoonist Shaenon K. Garrity! Also known as Shaenon in the comments here. Everyone should buy Man Boobz tshirts and other swag! |
2012-07-23T00:02:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/22/propaganda-of-the-shirt/comment-page-1/#comment-179420 |
FWIW, whatever and jean are posting from different IP addresses.
Maybe “not associating with the lower classes” means taking cabs everywhere, instead of public transit or walking? It’s pretty easy to avoid street harassment when you’re not, you know, on the street.I've known some women who've gotten harassed by cab drivers. |
2012-07-22T21:14:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/22/far-from-ok-cupid/comment-page-3/#comment-179394 |
grampmk posted a bunch of comments using a different email, and they all got caught in moderation; they're all up now, check the previous comment page. | 2012-07-22T16:38:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/20/new-blog-catalogs-mens-rights-awfulness/comment-page-4/#comment-179234 |
On my version, the pic next to "Fuck Their Shit Up" is an adorable tiny kitten rolling over. | 2012-07-20T18:09:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/20/a-voice-for-men-has-99-problems-and-the-word-bitch-is-one/comment-page-1/#comment-178493 |
Cloudiah, that's the greatest thing ever! | 2012-07-20T18:07:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/20/a-voice-for-men-has-99-problems-and-the-word-bitch-is-one/comment-page-1/#comment-178490 |
Oh, and here are NWOs comments about vision tests for drivers licenses and Pol Pot. (The first paragraph is a quote from Pecunium talking about vision tests):
@Pecunium “There is a discriminatory effect. It is justifiable, because the need to be certain that, at their worst, the people who are operating motor vehicles are able to distinguish obstacles and understand signage at a reasonable distance require some sort of test.” That’s what the nazis said when they killed Jews, it’s justifiable. That’s what the communists said when they killed the christians, it’s justifiable. That’s Pol Pot said in about genocide, it’s justifiable. That’s what every tyrannical Government thruout history has said about oppression and discrimination, it’s justfiable. So you equate poor vision with blatant, “justifiable” oppression and discrimination of men? Is that your comparison? Me, with my warped sense of values. All this time I thought oppression and discrimination were never, “justifiable.” Thank you for enlightening me about womens justice! I’m glad colleges teach us that men deserve to be oppressed and discrimnated against for being born men, and it’s “justifiable.”http://manboobz.com/2011/09/04/this-means-war-also-cats/comment-page-3/#comment-57733 |
2012-07-19T19:10:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/19/update-norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-will-be-held-for-four-more-weeks-due-to-the-risk-of-recurrence-of-new-criminal-offenses/comment-page-1/#comment-178116 |
You know, NWO, Wetherby wasn't the only one who thought that Berge might go on a killing rampage. It turns out that Berge himself thought so. After Brievik's murders, he wrote:
At the time I wrote my last blog post, I believed I would probably become Norway's first modern violent activist in peacetime. Celibacy enforced by a feminist regime had driven me to the point where I saw no other option. I would target the pigs who enforce feminist law, knowing I could realistically at least kill one of them before I would be captured or killed myself. Thus revenge would be assured and if I lived, my reputation as a violent criminal would make me attractive to some women. But then in the nick of time this blog attracted a lovely girl commenting as "Emma." It turns out her real name is Nataliya and she is now my girlfriend.http://eivindberge.blogspot.com/2011/07/anders-breivik-paleoconservative.html So, yeah, I'm pretty sure he's not going to be the next Gandhi. |
2012-07-19T18:59:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/19/update-norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-will-be-held-for-four-more-weeks-due-to-the-risk-of-recurrence-of-new-criminal-offenses/comment-page-1/#comment-178107 |
Here's the "debate" in question: http://manboobz.blogspot.com/p/not-so-great-debate-on-domestic.html |
2012-07-19T14:57:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/19/a-voice-for-men-continues-to-spread-its-message-of-peace-love-and-fcking-your-sht-up/comment-page-1/#comment-177895 |
What was his crime again?I believe that would be "making specific threats to kill a police officer after talking about it more generally for years." |
2012-07-19T14:54:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/19/update-norwegian-mens-rights-blogger-eivind-berge-will-be-held-for-four-more-weeks-due-to-the-risk-of-recurrence-of-new-criminal-offenses/comment-page-1/#comment-177892 |
Amanda Marcotte has some thoughts on all this: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/18/female-privilege/ |
2012-07-18T17:13:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/18/this-is-female-privilege-is-comedy-gold/comment-page-2/#comment-177447 |
Tom said this over on Toysoldier's:
Manboobz is a joke forum, so don’t expect me to word everything in a solemn way there. They respect you most when you rip the piss out of them the hardest.Dude, sorry to break it to you, but no one here respects you in the slightest. |
2012-07-18T04:28:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/16/the-lighter-side-of-tom-martin-the-repulsive-british-mra/comment-page-6/#comment-177263 |
Steele, really? So devoted a troll that he brought a troll lawsuit to a real court and got stuck with a real bill for a real £37,000?
Speak of the devil, Tom said:
It’s child prostitution, not rape, because the child asked for cash up front, set a price, then took the money, and performed the agreed act. I’d pass a lie detector on this one.Just to make absolutely clear we understand each other: Whenever an adult has sex with a child -- regardless of whether or not the child says "yes" or "no" or accepts money or a gift for it -- it is rape. That is in fact the very definition of statutory rape. By saying it isn't rape if a child accepts money you are -- by the very fact that you are saying this -- condoning child rape. |
2012-07-17T21:24:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/16/the-lighter-side-of-tom-martin-the-repulsive-british-mra/comment-page-3/#comment-176987 |
You know, if anyone wants to really do something about TV misandry, I set up a petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/on-tv-there-was-a-show-with-a-fat-guy-with-a-hot/ |
2012-07-17T18:16:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/17/markymark-how-blatantly-matriarchal-tv-has-gotten/comment-page-2/#comment-176873 |
toysoldier weighs in: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/same-song-and-dance/ |
2012-07-17T17:58:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/17/facepalm-of-the-day-10-top-tips-to-end-false-rape-accusations-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-176864 |
Important news update! Now it's three different dudes talking about another dude who's running for president. I assume the Rachel Maddow clones will be along in a moment. |
2012-07-17T15:06:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/17/markymark-how-blatantly-matriarchal-tv-has-gotten/comment-page-1/#comment-176798 |
The news is nothing but a henhouse of racheal maddow wannabees.Weird, because I have MSNBC on at the moment, and it's a dude talking to another dude, and neither of them much resembles Ms. Maddow. |
2012-07-17T14:38:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/17/markymark-how-blatantly-matriarchal-tv-has-gotten/comment-page-1/#comment-176780 |
There has been entirely too much Tom Martin around here lately. I’ll be glad when he oozes away.Since he kept saying such awful crap, I felt obliged to keep sharing it with the world. But I've really had about as much of him as I can take. |
2012-07-16T19:38:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/16/the-lighter-side-of-tom-martin-the-repulsive-british-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-176628 |
David, is he just whinging because he’s on moderation?He's not on moderation. I just put the word "wh*re" in the filter because some MBzers were growing tired of him calling people wh*res in pretty much every comment, and felt that the conversation that sometimes resulted ended up being insulting to (non-coerced, adult) sex workers. But apparently Tom feels it's impossible for him to communicate without being able to call people "wh*res." |
2012-07-16T14:15:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/16/tom-martin-uk-mra-child-prostitutes-should-be-prosecuted-for-preying-on-pedophiles/comment-page-1/#comment-176521 |
Tom: As tempting as it is to continue to let you run loose and say more awful crap I can use for posts, I think we've had enough of your obsession with the word "whore." I'm putting that word in the spam filter, and any comment that contains it won't post (at least not until I remove that word from it). | 2012-07-16T04:39:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/13/tom-martin-leading-uk-mens-rights-activist-pedophiles-who-pay-children-for-sex-are-not-really-rapists-because-the-child-understands-the-nature-of-the-contract/comment-page-11/#comment-176394 |
Also, they complain I misrepresent them when I quote things that have 60 upvotes. | 2012-07-16T00:37:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/15/mra-theologian-mary-magdalene-fucked-an-alien-to-get-preggers-and-got-joe-the-carpenter-to-pay-for-it-all/comment-page-3/#comment-176353 |
Ha. It didn't have 30 downvotes when I posted this. | 2012-07-16T00:34:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/15/mra-theologian-mary-magdalene-fucked-an-alien-to-get-preggers-and-got-joe-the-carpenter-to-pay-for-it-all/comment-page-3/#comment-176352 |
Also, Maude, welcome! | 2012-07-15T17:43:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/15/mra-theologian-mary-magdalene-fucked-an-alien-to-get-preggers-and-got-joe-the-carpenter-to-pay-for-it-all/comment-page-1/#comment-176078 |
I know the MRAs on the Spearhead often write non sequitur paranoid garbage detached from reality, but I suspect this one is a troll trying to make fun of them. They can’t be that ridiculous. Right?Nope! AfOR is a real MRA, and has been commenting on The Spearhead for ages. To give the Spearheaders a teensy bit of credit, this particular comment from him has gotten more downvotes than upvotes. (Though not as many downvotes as any comment challenging the pervasive misogyny there always gets.) |
2012-07-15T17:38:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/15/mra-theologian-mary-magdalene-fucked-an-alien-to-get-preggers-and-got-joe-the-carpenter-to-pay-for-it-all/comment-page-1/#comment-176074 |
Freitag, yeah, at least one person there has pointed out the error. | 2012-07-15T16:23:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/15/mra-theologian-mary-magdalene-fucked-an-alien-to-get-preggers-and-got-joe-the-carpenter-to-pay-for-it-all/comment-page-1/#comment-176020 |
Mary Magdalene isn’t the same Mary as Mary Mother of Jesus. O_oThat's what they want you to think! AfOR has "seen deeper!" |
2012-07-15T16:00:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/15/mra-theologian-mary-magdalene-fucked-an-alien-to-get-preggers-and-got-joe-the-carpenter-to-pay-for-it-all/comment-page-1/#comment-175993 |
Then I started to worry that some of Price’s readers may suffer from mood disorders and refuse to seek treatment because a) mood disorders are a made-up feminist lie and b) only girls have feelings. :(There's no question that's the case. I know it's always dangerous to internet psychoanalyze, but I'm convinced this is true of a good percentage of MRAs, who are basically self-medicating with misogyny. One prominent MRA known around here as Lol Phelam wrote once about being violently mugged as a young man, then explained that *he* hadn't needed any counseling afterwards and turned out just fine so why do rape victims need counseling? Dude, I think you *did* need counseling. |
2012-07-15T15:15:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/15/spearheaders-feminist-men-are-nerds-socially-awkward-sissy-gay-annoying-or-just-plain-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-175971 |
I do think the popularity of cats on the internet superbly demanstrates how it is women and not men who are truely considered as the “default gender” in Western societies. Cats are associated with women. Dogs are associated with men. And yet it is CATS who beome the nerd super-symbol and representative of the internet. And men are this supposed default gender I don’t think so!This is possibly the greatest MRA comment ever. Are you real? |
2012-07-14T20:53:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/14/saturdays-kitties/comment-page-1/#comment-175583 |
Just keep watching the fluffy bunny videos on manboobz, and agreeing amongst yourselves that you’re not whores.New Man Boobz slogan? |
2012-07-14T20:15:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/13/tom-martin-leading-uk-mens-rights-activist-pedophiles-who-pay-children-for-sex-are-not-really-rapists-because-the-child-understands-the-nature-of-the-contract/comment-page-6/#comment-175561 |
Dean Esmay, I'm really not sure what point you think you're making with your comment. Did you actually read my post, or did you hear about it second-hand?
In my post, I linked to a post on the NCFM web site, and quoted the first comment there on the post. I said nothing else about the NCFM.
Here is the link I gave:
http://ncfm.org/2012/03/action/ncfm-member-tom-martin-says-in-debate-sex-slavery-is-voluntary-and-rape-statistics-are-inflated/
I didn't claim that Martin was a member; the only person making that claim is the person who wrote the headline on NCFM's own site.
I didn't claim they were involved in his case. I didn't claim I'd ever spoken to anyone at the NCFM. I don't care if they know about me or not.
This is literally all I wrote about them:
On the website of the National Coalition for Men, one enthusiastic fan gushed: Finaly a real man with balls !!! Not like the rest of us . Tom is my hero .That's the commenter I quoted. I will change the word fan to "commenter" so that there won't be any possible confusion. I never suggested that they, or any of the sites I mentioned, agreed with Martin about child prostitutes. At this point, as I noted it's not clear how many MRAs here know of these views of his. The point of my post is that many MRAs supported HIS LAWSUIT. -- and that I will be interested in seeing if any of them distance themselves from Martin after they hear his views on this subject. |
2012-07-14T19:32:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/13/tom-martin-leading-uk-mens-rights-activist-pedophiles-who-pay-children-for-sex-are-not-really-rapists-because-the-child-understands-the-nature-of-the-contract/comment-page-6/#comment-175523 |
Meller! Good to see you, man. We missed you. | 2012-07-14T16:01:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/11/youve-gotta-keep-em-separated-except-for-strippers/comment-page-3/#comment-175407 |
he was left yelling “oh no the manboobz are sinking my ship” as he steered it onto the rocks.I'm visualizing this literally happening and it is hilarious. Anyway, I've just caught up on this thread, and my position on trolls is the same as most of you: they're not a bug, they're a feature. I don't know why they continue to show up, but I'm glad they do. And, yeah, I really only censor/moderate when they go after individuals in a really nasty way. NWO is definitely staying on moderation, because he still does that from time to time. I'm a bit stricter when new trolls show up; if they say something really obnoxious or tedious in their very first comment, which is automatically moderated, I don't let them post here at all. |
2012-07-14T15:41:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/13/mens-rights-redditor-men-need-to-start-putting-government-agents-who-violate-their-rights-in-the-dirt-54-upvotes/comment-page-2/#comment-175402 |
Steelpole, as you well know, you posted both comments from the same IP address. Do you want me to post a screenshot showing this? Isn't that the whole reason you anonymized your IP when you returned? So I wouldn't know it was you? You posted dozens of comments with your current account, and at no point did I reveal that the account was another sockpuppet. Why? Because I didn't know! You changed your IP, so I had no way of telling who you were. |
2012-07-14T13:37:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/13/mens-rights-redditor-men-need-to-start-putting-government-agents-who-violate-their-rights-in-the-dirt-54-upvotes/comment-page-2/#comment-175345 |
In other news, this post has now made it into the top 5 most commented-upon MBz posts of all time. It's #4. Thank you, Steelepole, for your incredible verbosity. And Tom Martin, for your continued horribleness. And eurosabra, for whatever it is that you do. Am I forgetting any important trolls here? |
2012-07-13T22:54:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-22/#comment-175046 |
And that was the Friday Night Reveal!!! All those who guessed Varpole win a car!* Anyway, it's weird how much this blog is like Scooby Doo. The new trolls have their masks ripped off, or rip themselves off, to reveal that they are old trolls. Varpole, I'm not sure what terror campaign you think I've got going here; all I did was point out that you sockpuppeted, Now that you've revealed that you've been sockpuppeting again, does that mean you've launched a threatening campaign against yourself? *I lied about the car thing, |
2012-07-13T22:47:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-22/#comment-175039 |
Cliff said:
4. Someone posting as “Manzboobz” (note extra Z) saying horrible goddamn things pretending to be David, including telling a rape survivor zie should die.I've ignored this person for a long time, but after seeing them post in the r/mr thread, I asked the Reddit admins to ban him as an imposter. I also asked the r/mr mods to ban him, but somehow I suspect that won't happen b/c the mods are shitheads. |
2012-07-13T19:34:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/13/tom-martin-leading-uk-mens-rights-activist-pedophiles-who-pay-children-for-sex-are-not-really-rapists-because-the-child-understands-the-nature-of-the-contract/comment-page-3/#comment-174905 |
Kittens! I need a lot of palate cleansing after this week. | 2012-07-13T18:49:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/13/mens-rights-redditor-men-need-to-start-putting-government-agents-who-violate-their-rights-in-the-dirt-54-upvotes/comment-page-1/#comment-174870 |
QuickQuestion: I've gotten emails from him, from the email address he gives on his own website, confirming that it is him posting here. If you look at his twitter account, you can see him responding to a tweet linking to the discussion here, and he does not dispute that it is indeed him. https://twitter.com/Sexismbusters/status/223618746277838848 If you are still skeptical, you can email him from his web page. |
2012-07-13T16:04:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/13/tom-martin-leading-uk-mens-rights-activist-pedophiles-who-pay-children-for-sex-are-not-really-rapists-because-the-child-understands-the-nature-of-the-contract/comment-page-2/#comment-174741 |
I don't think it matters if you click the ads or not, payment is based on impressions. Also, I'm apparently not paid for any ads served outside the us, so if you're outside the Us, I guess you should block away! |
2012-07-13T04:25:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/12/about-those-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-174462 |
I know clarisse Thorn wrote an ebook about PUAs. Who's Clara Rose? | 2012-07-13T04:22:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-18/#comment-174461 |
Tom, I'm not going to get into the rest of your horrible comment at the moment, but when you posted a comment saying that the lawsuit did not involve hard chairs, I added lengthy quotes from this comment to my original post. http://manboobz.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/ I also linked to the entire comment: http://manboobz.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-2/#comment-135843 I'm not sure how quoting your comments on the subject counts as "lying" unless you were lying. |
2012-07-12T20:41:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-17/#comment-174305 |
themisanthropicmuse: I don't expect to get a lot of money from this; it's just something I can add to the site that requires no more work than what I'm already doing. Wordpress handles the details, and as far as I can tell pays by the impression. They won't say exactly how much it pays, but they give a rough ballpark figure; I won't know until the end of the month how much I've made. Thanks, Shade and Claire for the donations! Question for everyone: are the ads showing up? It's just one ad per page, underneath the top (or only) post on the page. I've tested it in Firefox and Chrome w/ disabled AdBlock, and it works for me. But a friend of mine says she can't get it in firefox or IE. In any case, thanks for understanding. Hopefully the ads won't be too annoying. |
2012-07-12T20:09:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/12/about-those-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-174278 |
I identify as a pantheist, and more or less worship the consciousness of existence itself.Huh. I call myself an agnostic, but maybe I'm one of those too. |
2012-07-12T18:46:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/12/heartiste-funny-like-a-clown/comment-page-3/#comment-174199 |
Oh, if anyone doesn't have a problem with NWO calling them, personally, a filthy Jew, let me know, and I'll remove the ban so he can go ahead and do that. For example, NWO, I don't mind you calling me a filthy Jew. I'm not actually Jewish, and I've recently taken a shower, but, what the heck, if you enjoy doing it, go right ahead. Heck, you can call me a filthy Christian if you want as well, though I'm not Christian either. (I'm agnostic.) |
2012-07-12T18:44:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/12/heartiste-funny-like-a-clown/comment-page-3/#comment-174190 |
Ok, NWO, now that you've gotten that out of your system, we'll move on, and I'll consider any further usage of "filthy Jew" *directed at an individual* to be harassment. Go ahead and use the term if you want, just don't direct it an individual. No one has called you a "filthy Christian," BTW. You're getting worked up -- or pretending to get worked up -- about people "taking the lord's name in vain," something that Christians themselves do all the time. |
2012-07-12T18:40:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/12/heartiste-funny-like-a-clown/comment-page-3/#comment-174183 |
NWO, until you brought it up, only one person used the "semen sucking" line, Ray Percival; he used it three times. That's obnoxious, but I generally don't censor people for being obnoxious, unless they direct this obnoxiousness towards specific people here in a way that's clearly harassment. If Jesus is the Son of God, as you believe, I think He can probably handle a few dumb insults from Ray Percival. People say mocking things about religious figures all the time. Including believers. Christians say things like "Jesus H. Christ" or "Holy Christ tap-dancing on a cracker" all the time. Jews make fun of Jewish religious figures. Mel Brooks made fun of Moses; Jon Stewart makes jokes about Elijah. |
2012-07-12T18:05:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/12/heartiste-funny-like-a-clown/comment-page-3/#comment-174118 |
Cassandra, I think I remember him saying something about this in the past, that he did it as a favor for a friend? Not sure why that stuck in my head, if I'm remembering it correctly (and if it's true), but I think that's his story. | 2012-07-12T16:34:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-15/#comment-174021 |
Note to would-be new commenters: If your username is an insult directed at a specific person who is regularly harassed by assholes like you online, I will not let your comments through, even if you replace the word "cunt" (which you have cleverly worked into the name) with asterisks. | 2012-07-12T16:07:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/12/heartiste-funny-like-a-clown/comment-page-2/#comment-173993 |
Tom has earned himself another MB post; expect one later today or tomorrow, and let's try to publicize it. | 2012-07-12T08:46:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-14/#comment-173807 |
Looking through the stats I see that our friend Bernard Chapin made a video attacking this post. Apparently I am the incarnation of evil for suggesting that any MRAs use violent rhetoric, and Mr. Lol Phelam is a paragon of sensible non-violentness. hXXp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UUmq17cwbw&feature=plcp |
2012-07-11T23:28:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-13/#comment-173654 |
Not sure where this got linked. Looking through the stats I see that our friend Bernard Chapin made another me-bashing video, but he didn't link to this post. It would sort have been ironic if he had, because his video was all about how evil I am, and how shocked he is, that anyone could possibly suggest that any MRAs use violent rhetoric. hXXp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UUmq17cwbw&feature=plcp |
2012-07-11T23:23:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-11/#comment-173649 |
Did anyone mention Long Guyland? I mean, it's already pronounced that way. | 2012-07-11T20:15:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/11/youve-gotta-keep-em-separated-except-for-strippers/comment-page-2/#comment-173509 |
There are a good number of us who enjoy the show as it is and don’t feel the need to “make it ours” by sexualizing everything in it. So we resent those who do, because they’re essentially ruining the very idea of the show.That's basically why I mentioned the "clopping." I don't care if people want to masturbate to cartoon ponies. It just seems that a lot of Bronies turn every discussion into "hey my penis likes this," the way so many Redditors do every time, say, someone posts a picture of a woman doing anything at all on Reddit. We don't need to hear your penis' opinions about everything, dudes. |
2012-07-11T13:10:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/10/clop-clop-clopping-along-with-epic-atheist-brony-mra-extraordinaire/comment-page-3/#comment-173280 |
Mr. Brony just retweeted an AIDS joke, which adds support to the "even if he's a troll he's still an asshole" theory. | 2012-07-10T17:12:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/10/clop-clop-clopping-along-with-epic-atheist-brony-mra-extraordinaire/comment-page-2/#comment-172703 |
Seems that Mr. Brony is indeed a troll; see the post for an update. | 2012-07-10T15:07:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/10/clop-clop-clopping-along-with-epic-atheist-brony-mra-extraordinaire/comment-page-2/#comment-172558 |
Someone on Twitter claims this is a "confirmed troll/Poe." Epic Atheist Brony's original profile pic was a photo of a dude in a fedora, and apparently the guy in the picture complained, hence his new profile pic. I'm willing to accept this is a troll, but if so, a very dedicated one, willing to get into arguments on Twitter with people who disagree with "his" "opinions." |
2012-07-10T14:31:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/10/clop-clop-clopping-along-with-epic-atheist-brony-mra-extraordinaire/comment-page-1/#comment-172531 |
It's possible, of course, that this is all a parody. But, I don't know, reading through his twitter timeline the overall feeling I got was that he's sincere. I found his account through some links I found on r/mensrights or some other MR site; they thought he was cool. | 2012-07-10T14:00:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/10/clop-clop-clopping-along-with-epic-atheist-brony-mra-extraordinaire/comment-page-1/#comment-172518 |
And chairs. Whores and chairs. | 2012-07-09T23:21:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-6/#comment-172077 |
Tom, I'd be happy to promote you as the true leader of the Men's Rights movement. I'm just going to need a lot more new quotes from you about whores. | 2012-07-09T23:20:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-6/#comment-172074 |
I did not call women whores, I called manboobzers and whores whores. To paraphrase Chris Rock, I love women, but I hate whores.I guess that's technically true. Last time you were here you acknowledged that a whole 3% of women probably aren't whores. For the record, I would never claim all women are whores. I’d put it at around the 97% mark in my estimationhttp://manboobz.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-12/#comment-136962 |
2012-07-09T23:03:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-6/#comment-172050 |
All Futrelle can do is scrape around the lunatic fringe of the MRM, then conflate those views with the broad aims of the movement.Funny, I think I've heard the same thing from other MRAs when I've talked about you in the past. So let me ask you the question we often ask those MRAs who make this claim: Where are the rational, respectable "real" MRAs that truly represent the "broad aims of the movement?" Besides yourself, that is. |
2012-07-09T22:45:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-6/#comment-172032 |
I’m kinda proud of my sarcasm from my comment @July 9, 2012 at 10:15 pm, so could ya let that one thru ASAP?Sorry, dude, that one had way too much about your penis in it. |
2012-07-09T22:37:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/09/things-i-learned-from-reddit-feminists-cant-be-atheists-also-they-shouldnt-ever-try-to-translate-ancient-greek/comment-page-4/#comment-172024 |
I think I've heard enough about NWO's penis for tonight. And for all time, actually. NWO, move on to another topic. |
2012-07-09T21:57:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/09/things-i-learned-from-reddit-feminists-cant-be-atheists-also-they-shouldnt-ever-try-to-translate-ancient-greek/comment-page-3/#comment-171978 |
Did Thomas James Ball advocate killing anyone when he recommended burning down corrupt anti-male court houses?He did. From his manifesto, just after his long section on how his enemies are the equivalent of Nazi collaborators, and how they deserve to be "burned out," after his detailed instructions on how to best burn them out with molotov cocktails, he wrote: There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours.So, yeah, he argued that those inspired by him should launch terrorist attacks which would inevitably kill people. That's pretty much the same as telling them to kill people directly. |
2012-07-09T20:01:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-6/#comment-171891 |
NWO, take a cold shower, dude. | 2012-07-09T19:52:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/09/things-i-learned-from-reddit-feminists-cant-be-atheists-also-they-shouldnt-ever-try-to-translate-ancient-greek/comment-page-2/#comment-171875 |
(You'd have to change the rest of the lyrics, too, to make it misandrist, since it's actually sort of an attack on a "loose" music-loving woman.) | 2012-07-09T19:34:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/09/things-i-learned-from-reddit-feminists-cant-be-atheists-also-they-shouldnt-ever-try-to-translate-ancient-greek/comment-page-2/#comment-171861 |
HARD CHAIRS AND SCENTED CANDLESFor some reason this reminded me of the song "Dim Lights, Thick Smoke And Loud, Loud Music." Hard chairs, bon bons, and scented candles! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAPUoCDeyXo |
2012-07-09T19:31:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/09/things-i-learned-from-reddit-feminists-cant-be-atheists-also-they-shouldnt-ever-try-to-translate-ancient-greek/comment-page-2/#comment-171856 |
My writing skills aren’t great, obviously- because I was told by a misandrist, bullying, abusive authority figure that I couldn’t cut it, as a male. As an impressionable young kid, I bought it. My lack of writing ability is a direct result of misandry in my life.This is really my favorite comment of Steele's, and a perfect example of "what about the moonz!" It's shitty you had an abusive teacher who undermined your confidence. But that in no way compares to a constant barrage of cultural messages about what girls and women "can't do." I know one woman who was told every day of her life growing up by her parents that women were no good at anything and she couldn't really ever hope to support herself. I had a really shitty, mean, patronizing Russian teacher in high school. I hate her to this day. (I think she may be the only teacher I've ever really hated.) But that's not why I'm not a Russian translator today. Russian is a difficult language, and I'm shitty at languages. |
2012-07-09T15:15:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/08/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-the-guy-who-created-that-beat-up-anita-sarkeesian-game/comment-page-11/#comment-171659 |
Steele isn't revealing any details that Toysoldier has not himself already revealed here. (I went back to check his comments here to be sure.) | 2012-07-09T01:24:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/08/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-the-guy-who-created-that-beat-up-anita-sarkeesian-game/comment-page-10/#comment-171492 |
Well, that's why I called you an UNOFFICIAL goodwill ambassador in the post. Not sure what's "dishonest" about that. Now I put "unofficial" in the title too. Ta da! |
2012-07-09T00:13:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/the-brief-history-of-the-brief-career-of-the-goodwill-ambassador-from-planet-good-men-project/comment-page-3/#comment-171410 |
I think one useful analogy for the discussion of misandry is gravity from the earth and the moon. Obviously the moon has a gravitational pull, and it causes things like tides, but it's not going to life any of us off the ground. Complaning about misandry is a bit like complaining about the gravitational pull of the moon. "Damn! I dropped some eggs and they broke. Curse you, earth gravity!" "What about the moonz!" |
2012-07-08T20:20:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/08/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-the-guy-who-created-that-beat-up-anita-sarkeesian-game/comment-page-5/#comment-171097 |
The spam filter has been acting up today and snagged a bunch of comments, mostly in this topic and mostly from steele, for no good reason. I've let them all through, though you'll have to scroll back on the last page to see them. | 2012-07-08T19:39:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/08/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-the-guy-who-created-that-beat-up-anita-sarkeesian-game/comment-page-5/#comment-171058 |
Johnny here seems to be an old, banned friend of ours from Eastern Europe with a new identity. So he will no longer be a part of this discussion. Of course, it may just be that everyone in Romania is named "Johnny" or some variation thereof, and that they all happen to pick nearly identical fake email addresses when they register. |
2012-07-08T17:39:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/08/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-the-guy-who-created-that-beat-up-anita-sarkeesian-game/comment-page-3/#comment-170941 |
Bendilin also does erotic Sonic the Hedgehog fan art! http://virgiltexas.com/post/26783536415/tropes-vs-women-in-the-work-of-bendilin-spurr-sonic |
2012-07-08T16:20:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/08/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-the-guy-who-created-that-beat-up-anita-sarkeesian-game/comment-page-2/#comment-170826 |
Kyrie, I'm not sure. I don't think I've seen him mentioned at any of the big MRA blogs; he may have been on some of the smaller ones, like some of those in his blogroll. At some point I'll take a more systematic look. He mostly seems to have been ignored. (My guess is that he probably came up from time to time on In Mala Fide, but it's gone now.)
Emma the Emo, his gf, seems to have more of a following amongst "mainstream" MRAs -- there's a post from her blog on the r/mr front page right now.
NWO said:
When women used to dress and act like animals in heat they were called homewreckers.Wait, I thought women who dress and act like animals were called "furries." |
2012-07-07T18:46:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-1/#comment-170308 |
This man is no MRA.He calls himself an MRA, and his sidebar is filled with MRA sites. He may be an extremist MRA, but he's an MRA. Anyone who would threaten police officers is no true MRA. This man may hold certain MRA views, but he is also fundamentally at odds with the principles of nonviolence woven into the movement.Then you'd better have a long talk with all the MRAs who've been eulogizing Thomas Ball, including those at AVFM. |
2012-07-07T16:55:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-1/#comment-170224 |
Cliff, thanks! | 2012-07-07T15:50:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/comment-page-1/#comment-170178 |
If I were to add together the word count of all my posts and comments here, and weigh that against NWO's comments, I think it's quite likely that we'd find that he's written more on this blog than I have. | 2012-07-07T04:43:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/06/mgtower-most-women-are-shined-shaven-social-succubi-desirous-of-everything-and-deserving-of-nothing/comment-page-2/#comment-170101 |
Modern women seemed to enamored with the sound of their own voice. Says the author of 3,166 comments here at Man Boobz. (That's more than 1000 more than I've posted, and most of mine are pretty short.) |
2012-07-06T22:01:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/06/mgtower-most-women-are-shined-shaven-social-succubi-desirous-of-everything-and-deserving-of-nothing/comment-page-2/#comment-170044 |
I have met several me who arr disgusted by their own semenArr they pirates? |
2012-07-05T19:42:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/05/johntheother-channels-hugo-schwyzer-in-this-disquisition-on-pseudo-mystical-spooge/comment-page-2/#comment-169790 |
Cloudiah, JtO's article seems to have been inspired by a recent run-in with Grapeban, as well as by his fond if mostly false memories of my piece from last year. | 2012-07-05T12:07:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/05/johntheother-channels-hugo-schwyzer-in-this-disquisition-on-pseudo-mystical-spooge/comment-page-1/#comment-169661 |
Why am I not surprised that male MRAs burst onto the scene to argue with each other on threads asking for opinions from women on reddit?They also flood all the women-centric and feminist subreddits and have basically ruined most of them. |
2012-07-05T11:08:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/05/johntheother-channels-hugo-schwyzer-in-this-disquisition-on-pseudo-mystical-spooge/comment-page-1/#comment-169645 |
Cliff and NWO, you'd better invite me to the wedding. Heck, you'd better make me a bridesmaid! | 2012-07-04T20:06:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/04/working-in-the-quote-mine-going-down-down/comment-page-1/#comment-169539 |
Huh. Any examples in which, for example, I quote-mine in that fashion? | 2012-07-04T15:23:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/04/working-in-the-quote-mine-going-down-down/comment-page-1/#comment-169487 |
Oops. Glitch with the permanent moderation. He's moderated now. And, dude, if you want to know how you get off permanent moderation: you don't. That's what the word "permanent" means. (Also, if I were the sort of person who was inclined to take people off of permanent moderation, your most recent comments here would not be helping.) |
2012-07-04T15:03:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/29/mens-rights-redditors-angry-that-reality-is-reality-murder-statistics-edition/comment-page-8/#comment-169476 |
And that line about cocks and faces wins Mr. Anderson the prize of permanent moderation. Congrats! | 2012-07-04T13:42:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/29/mens-rights-redditors-angry-that-reality-is-reality-murder-statistics-edition/comment-page-8/#comment-169431 |
cendare, thank you for your work here. Please enjoy this picture of a baby sloth in a boot, which I hope will cleanse your brain of JtO stink: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2012/7/1/16/enhanced-buzz-17382-1341174511-0.jpg Ithiliana, yeah, I love JtO's deft use of metaphor. He also talks about how evil quote-miners like me are "blinded by their own ideological goggles." I'm pretty sure that goggles are used to protect the eyes from blinding light, among other things. |
2012-07-04T13:34:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/04/working-in-the-quote-mine-going-down-down/comment-page-1/#comment-169427 |
If you think it’s important to hear the other side and what issues are affecting men, come by GMP.Uh, you are aware that the majority of the 825 posts on this blog so far are in fact devoted to what "the other side" says, right? And that most of the 164,000 comments here are also devoted to discussing what "the other side" says? I'm pretty sure the regulars here have a much better idea of what MRAs say than most MRAs do. |
2012-07-04T04:31:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/29/mens-rights-redditors-angry-that-reality-is-reality-murder-statistics-edition/comment-page-7/#comment-169303 |
And John Anderson reminds us why we need feminism. | 2012-07-04T03:59:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/29/mens-rights-redditors-angry-that-reality-is-reality-murder-statistics-edition/comment-page-7/#comment-169295 |
pecunium, thanks! That's a better resolution image, too. I swapped the old one out. | 2012-07-03T16:39:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/03/sometimes-i-wonder-if-theyd-have-us-living-in-a-wasteland-fighting-over-scraps-while-occasionally-taking-one-of-us-hostage-for-breeding/comment-page-1/#comment-169150 |
Kyrie, I think the MRA argument is if they fight for custody, they'll be falsely accused of something, so don't even try. | 2012-07-03T16:11:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/29/mens-rights-redditors-angry-that-reality-is-reality-murder-statistics-edition/comment-page-6/#comment-169139 |
Newbie: I found it here: http://www.fscclub.com/thoughts/watch-provoke-e.shtml No info about the painting itself, but that page is sort of amazing otherwise. Probably should do a post about it or something. |
2012-07-03T16:05:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/07/03/sometimes-i-wonder-if-theyd-have-us-living-in-a-wasteland-fighting-over-scraps-while-occasionally-taking-one-of-us-hostage-for-breeding/comment-page-1/#comment-169135 |
John, Shaenon was responding to NWOslave, not you. | 2012-07-03T03:04:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/29/mens-rights-redditors-angry-that-reality-is-reality-murder-statistics-edition/comment-page-5/#comment-168983 |
I responded here: http://goodmenproject.com/men-and-feminism/mens-stories-in-context-why-feminism-belongs-at-the-gmp/comment-page-1/#comment-231360 Ball's in his court. |
2012-07-01T16:05:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/30/i-am-traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-168621 |
NWO, "antisemite" is a term (invented by a Jew-hater, BTW) that means "Jew hater." If you prefer, I can just call you a "Jew hater." "Jewish" is not a racial classification. There are Jews of different races. Many Jews are white, and (if you go back a couple of generations) of European descent. Not all are. (Of course, race is a cultural construct, but I won't get into that kettle of genes either.) |
2012-07-01T13:31:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/27/hatred-and-anger-are-power-and-other-thoughts-on-women-and-gaming-from-spearheaders/comment-page-9/#comment-168596 |
And NWO lets his antisemitism out for a little run around the park. Just curious, NWO, why are Jewish men of European descent not white men of European descent? Does being Jewish magically make them not white, or not of European descent, or both? (Also, Jews don't actually control the world economy, but that's a whole other kettle of gefilte fish.) |
2012-07-01T11:31:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/27/hatred-and-anger-are-power-and-other-thoughts-on-women-and-gaming-from-spearheaders/comment-page-9/#comment-168578 |
Totally obvious funny sockpuppeting, fine. Not so obvious or not so funny sockpuppeting, not so fine. Also what anti-anti-manboobz said. |
2012-07-01T01:27:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/30/i-am-traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-168559 |
Hmm. Has Varpole been trolling us the whole time? | 2012-07-01T00:19:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/29/mens-rights-redditors-angry-that-reality-is-reality-murder-statistics-edition/comment-page-3/#comment-168553 |
Oh, Michael Varpole, are you for real? You realize that I can see the IPs of everyone who posts comments here, right? For example, I can see that the comment allegedly from "Torvus Butthorn" (which I just let through moderation) was actually posted by you. Are you really so lonely that you have to conjure up sockpuppets to talk to you? Or is this all some complicated and not-very-entertaining trollery on your part? |
2012-06-30T23:06:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/29/mens-rights-redditors-angry-that-reality-is-reality-murder-statistics-edition/comment-page-3/#comment-168526 |
Anonymous, your attempts to be "serious" here are somewhat undercut by your previous comment:
You don’t understand. Little Ms. David here is just jealous because men will rather use a Fleshlight than give Little Ms. David’s hungry poophole and mouthpussy the gift of their manly, throbbing love rockets. Awwwww. Men are such pigs. Men are so shallow they can’t understand Little Ms. David needs a Real Man™. Where have all the good men gone?http://manboobz.com/2012/06/28/he-blogs-just-like-a-woman/comment-page-2/#comment-168027 |
2012-06-29T12:25:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/28/the-obamacare-decision-proves-that-ladies-shouldnt-be-put-in-positions-of-power/comment-page-2/#comment-168155 |
The last time he posted here, Mr. Anonymous offered a somewhat pompous defense of that "Christianity is misandrist" post by TyphonBlue and JTO, which concluded:
Religion has to pass through the prism of a given culture, and while objectively Scripture may not be especially misandrist, when applied to our present culture, in practice is is deeply anti-male.http://manboobz.com/2012/06/22/a-voice-for-men-christianity-is-all-about-hating-on-dudes/comment-page-3/#comment-166049 This time, it's straight to "Little Ms. David’s hungry poophole and mouthpussy." |
2012-06-29T00:31:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/28/he-blogs-just-like-a-woman/comment-page-2/#comment-168030 |
Everyone needs to go over to Feministe to see Antz and his pals get their asses handed to them. Antz is at his most melodramatic. Didn't someone here do a point by point rebuttal of Antz original AVFM post on this? It might be worth reposting in the comments over there. |
2012-06-28T22:30:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/28/the-obamacare-decision-proves-that-ladies-shouldnt-be-put-in-positions-of-power/comment-page-1/#comment-168013 |
Note to new MRA would-be-commenters: If, in your very first comment, you refer to a specific commenter here as a "bitch," I will not let that comment through. Also I will ban you. | 2012-06-28T09:25:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/27/hatred-and-anger-are-power-and-other-thoughts-on-women-and-gaming-from-spearheaders/comment-page-7/#comment-167763 |
Glad to know I wasn't actually being accused of running some anti aflac blog. I tried to make sense of the posts on masculist man's real anti-aflac blog, but it looked like a lot of very convoluted drama. I will return to my vacation. | 2012-06-27T22:23:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/27/hatred-and-anger-are-power-and-other-thoughts-on-women-and-gaming-from-spearheaders/comment-page-3/#comment-167482 |
I was ninja-ed by a couple of commenters there. | 2012-06-27T22:13:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/27/hatred-and-anger-are-power-and-other-thoughts-on-women-and-gaming-from-spearheaders/comment-page-3/#comment-167473 |
A few days ago, David posted a long, incredibly run on post by MasculistMan, concerning militancy. Guess what? The intended target of that post was ME. He did it to bother ME. Check out his other blog why don’t you – the one with my name in the tittle.WTF are you talking about? What "other blog" with your name in the title? Dude, I have no idea who you are beyond what you've said in the comments here in the last day or couple of days or however long it's been. I did run a post quoting a guy calling himself "masculist man." But you weren't the "intended target." Indeed, it had nothing whatsoever to do with you, because, again, I don't know who the fuck you are and I don't have another blog with your name in it. (Is that your real name or your alias here? If the former, I don't even know your real name.) http://manboobz.com/2012/06/13/how-many-breaths-does-it-take-you-to-destroy-the-feminsit-monster/ |
2012-06-27T22:11:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/27/hatred-and-anger-are-power-and-other-thoughts-on-women-and-gaming-from-spearheaders/comment-page-3/#comment-167470 |
Thanks to feminism, no longer could we, or would we tolerate positive, strong men in our popular culture without ridiculing or deriding them for their primitive and overt masculinityYeah, there are absolutely no movies out there featuring strong, handsome macho dudes as the heroes. Oh, except practically every action movie ever. Serously, have you ever heard of the Bechtel Test? Look it up. You're right, though, I "don’t seem to know what it’s like to feel hated, and reviled every time you turn on the television, for your whole life." Because that's not what I see when I turn on the TV. Do you have some sort of "man hatred" bundle from your cable provider? |
2012-06-27T15:38:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/27/hatred-and-anger-are-power-and-other-thoughts-on-women-and-gaming-from-spearheaders/comment-page-1/#comment-167312 |
On the level of insult associated with dick vs c*nt: Call your Dad a dick. Then call your Mum a c*nt. See what happens. I rest my case.I'm upvoting this with imaginary upvote arrows. |
2012-06-26T01:45:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/25/mens-rights-redditors-baffled-by-women-who-dont-like-the-word-cunt/comment-page-2/#comment-166770 |
Speaking of which: gay and trans prisoners have a much, much higher chance of being raped in prison than straight cis men. I have a link to a study on this on my prison rape page. | 2012-06-24T11:38:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/21/big-news-in-the-fight-agaisnt-prison-rape-mras-oblivious/comment-page-4/#comment-166328 |
I actually just found that pic online. No kitties here. Thanks, everyone, for the well-wishing! |
2012-06-24T11:27:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/23/summer-vacation/comment-page-1/#comment-166326 |
You know what, I'm putting him back on moderation, because I don't know WTF his deal is, if he's posting his or someone else's info, and I really don't want to have to think about it because VACATION. | 2012-06-23T22:22:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/19/the-mens-rights-subreddit-fighting-imaginary-enemies-since-2008/comment-page-5/#comment-166238 |
Paul, I have redacted your address and phone #. If someone wants to confirm who you are they can do it via email. (Oh, and you were on moderation b/c you signed in with a different name and wordpress treats that as if you are a totally new person who needs approval to post.) Everyone else, might want to scroll up to see Paul's comments. |
2012-06-23T22:13:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/19/the-mens-rights-subreddit-fighting-imaginary-enemies-since-2008/comment-page-4/#comment-166230 |
Also, I'm on vacation! the house I'm at has bunnies. Not pet bunnies, bunnies running around in the back yard. In the daytime, even. | 2012-06-23T19:21:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/19/the-mens-rights-subreddit-fighting-imaginary-enemies-since-2008/comment-page-4/#comment-166172 |
Paul seems to be a real person who is not 19, FWIW. | 2012-06-23T19:19:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/19/the-mens-rights-subreddit-fighting-imaginary-enemies-since-2008/comment-page-4/#comment-166171 |
I just realised this is the first time ever i’ve argued with a troll on the internet. :’)Is it everything you expected? |
2012-06-21T10:32:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/20/return-of-the-sexy-robot-ladies-part-two-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-2/#comment-165206 |
Where you got this ridiculous notion about encuraging bomingsMuzolf: I "got this ridiculous notion" by READING WHAT BALL WROTE. Ball says quite explicitly in his manifesto that he killed himself in order to encourage other men to start firebombing courts and police stations. Follow the link to his manifesto. Do a search for the word "burn" on that page. It's all there in gory detail. |
2012-06-21T08:41:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/20/return-of-the-sexy-robot-ladies-part-two-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-2/#comment-165143 |
Polliwog: Excellent! I will add a link in the post. Kyrie, some MGTOWers simply refuse to believe that lesbians even exist: http://manboobz.com/2011/10/21/men-going-their-own-way-baffled-by-lesbians-refuse-to-believe-they-exist/ |
2012-06-19T17:37:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/19/twats-wear-heels-in-order-to-elongate-the-appearance-of-their-legs-and-other-insights-from-mgtowforums-com/comment-page-1/#comment-164810 |
Someone needs to draw/photoshop a vagina wearing heels. My google image search for "vaginas wearing heels" has turned up numerous pictures of vaginas and/or heels, but no vaginas actually wearing heels. |
2012-06-19T16:26:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/19/twats-wear-heels-in-order-to-elongate-the-appearance-of-their-legs-and-other-insights-from-mgtowforums-com/comment-page-1/#comment-164764 |
I think these guys collectively spend more time thinking/talking about women than the entire membership of the National Organization for Women. | 2012-06-19T16:22:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/19/twats-wear-heels-in-order-to-elongate-the-appearance-of-their-legs-and-other-insights-from-mgtowforums-com/comment-page-1/#comment-164759 |
Bostonian, the voicebox guy was on the Spearhead forum, not AVFM. | 2012-06-17T19:12:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/17/a-fathers-day-message-from-jeremiahmra-on-the-spearhead-tw-murder-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-164255 |
Antimanboobz is back, and more obtuse than ever! http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/the-true-face-of-feminism/ |
2012-06-16T18:39:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/15/friday-fun-time-mostly-off-topic-smorgasbord/comment-page-2/#comment-163920 |
Oh, GWW, love your little story about the meanies here. Citation? Or did that story emerge fully formed from your own ass? I remember one time I watched a GWW video and she ate a baby. It was heartbreaking. |
2012-06-15T21:47:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/15/friday-fun-time-mostly-off-topic-smorgasbord/comment-page-1/#comment-163668 |
Mr. Masculist, er, what job did I lose to a woman? This is news to me. | 2012-06-15T18:49:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/13/how-many-breaths-does-it-take-you-to-destroy-the-feminsit-monster/comment-page-3/#comment-163633 |
And ... that return engagement is cancelled. And yes, it was you-know-who. |
2012-06-14T21:49:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/13/how-many-breaths-does-it-take-you-to-destroy-the-feminsit-monster/comment-page-3/#comment-163530 |
Nolan is on permanent moderation; I let his comments through some (most?) of the time to remind everyone how awful he is. | 2012-06-14T17:17:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/13/how-many-breaths-does-it-take-you-to-destroy-the-feminsit-monster/comment-page-2/#comment-163465 |
Oh, it seems David has blocked links to avfm, or maybe it’s just a technical issue. I’m giving it 75-25 odds, respectively.The spam filter grabbed it, for no apparent reason. It's up now. Are you ever right about anything, even by accident? |
2012-06-14T14:41:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/05/video-tuesday-pbs-on-reddits-sexism-and-a-dramatic-reading-of-scented-fucking-candles/comment-page-3/#comment-163446 |
Note to dude who keeps trying to comment here and is complaining about "censorship": Try commenting using a name that is not a reference to a real person with the word "cunt" worked into it, and see what happens. You're welcome! | 2012-06-13T14:05:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/12/paul-elam-call-the-doctor/comment-page-2/#comment-163230 |
*catching up with the thread* Ok, well, THAT happened. Thanks to everyone who posted interesting critiques of EP. I learned some things. Though this might not have been the most efficient way to learn those things. |
2012-06-12T22:21:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-4/#comment-163123 |
Matt Forney responds to Elam here:
http://mattforney.com/2012/06/12/paul-elam-argues-like-a-girl/
He ends it with this:
And since I can’t end this post without mentioning that David Futrelle has (reluctantly) defended me on this issue, mainly because Elam’s neckbeard fans are going to brandish Futrelle’s article as proof that I’m an evil crypto-feminist racist mangina, let me just say that Futrelle is an even more pathetic bitch than Elam, and I don’t want his support.Don't worry, lil dude. I don't actually support you. I simply agree with you on a couple of points: that Elam is a total drama king, and that anyone who believes (or purports to believe) that Heigl's video is something to get ENRAGED about is a twit. |
2012-06-12T13:43:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/10/breaking-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-is-pig-biting-mad-at-a-dude-who-doesnt-hate-katherine-heigl/comment-page-3/#comment-162994 |
Hmm. http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3po06i/ |
2012-06-10T23:08:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/10/breaking-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-is-pig-biting-mad-at-a-dude-who-doesnt-hate-katherine-heigl/comment-page-1/#comment-162698 |
Greg, no I don't. Not all feminists are radical feminists. Even a quick glance reveals that blog to be blatantly transphobic, and I have no interest in further exploring it to see what else is wrong with it. | 2012-06-10T18:53:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/10/breaking-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-is-pig-biting-mad-at-a-dude-who-doesnt-hate-katherine-heigl/comment-page-1/#comment-162641 |
Another example: Charlize Theron recently appeared in a comedy called Young Adult; she played a character who was in many ways a terrible person. A sort of running gag in the movie was how poorly she treated her little neglected dog. The joke there was not that real abuse of pets is ha-ha hilarious, but that she was so self absorbed she barely remembered to take care of her pet. No one has launched a campaign against Theron as a result of her role in this movie because, again, no one is goofy enough to think that her role as a neglectful pet owner means that she really, truly wants people to neglect pets and thinks its hilarious. |
2012-06-10T18:09:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/10/breaking-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-is-pig-biting-mad-at-a-dude-who-doesnt-hate-katherine-heigl/comment-page-1/#comment-162624 |
Greg, Billy Crystal and Danny Devito appeared in a movie called Throw Momma From the Train (directed by Devito), in which they attempted to, well, throw momma from the train. It was a comedy. No one protested it, because no one was goofy enough to think that either Crystal or Devito thought actually throwing mothers from trains was funny. | 2012-06-10T18:00:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/10/breaking-paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-is-pig-biting-mad-at-a-dude-who-doesnt-hate-katherine-heigl/comment-page-1/#comment-162619 |
ArchangelleDworkin of SRS is on the case, and it turns out this post isn't quite as off-topic as I thought. In fact, it's totally on-topic, as she shows with this collection of horrible shit the Reddit Islanders have been saying about women (while lamenting the fact that their never-going-to-happen island project would be a total sausage fest). http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/uu4kj/effort_post_redditors_want_to_start_their_own/ If you follow her links you'll discover even more poop that she didn't even bother to link to. On Reddit, there is literally too much poop for ordinary humans to catalogue. Also, I am totally stealing her Reddit island graphic. |
2012-06-10T15:17:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/09/reddit-island-redditors-plan-to-set-up-their-own-island-utopia-they-are-so-excited-its-adorable/comment-page-1/#comment-162593 |
NWO, why does the gang at the top want to destabilize things? | 2012-06-08T22:20:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/08/men-going-their-own-way-best-and-worst-case-scenarios/comment-page-1/#comment-162251 |
I always wondered about Chapin and his flags. People obsessed with weird flags are almost always far-right douchecakes. | 2012-06-08T17:09:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/08/men-going-their-own-way-best-and-worst-case-scenarios/comment-page-1/#comment-162202 |
No need to "watch" Armageddon's videos all the way through, or even at all. (Though I think his perpetually bitter, pissed-off tone of voice -- he's like that in every "video" of his I've seen -- is somewhat revealing.) This post was really just an excuse for me to post the first two videos of the dancing guys. I have no idea what the story is behind the first video, but I love those guys. The second video is from Calvaire (The Ordeal), a Belgian horror film that I love. I recommend it -- the way it deals with gender is really interesting, and it's very darkly funny -- but only if you can stomach a lot of graphic violence; it's heavily inspired by The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Deliverance. |
2012-06-08T12:50:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/08/men-going-their-own-way-best-and-worst-case-scenarios/comment-page-1/#comment-162129 |
The MGTOWforums regulars respond to this post: http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/mens-general-discussion/9364-manboobz-mgtows-mras-biggest-advertiser.html |
2012-06-08T12:41:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/07/its-a-tsunami-its-a-coiled-spring-its-a-mixed-metaphor-mgtow-manpocalypse/comment-page-2/#comment-162126 |
(I mean the dudes in Cloudiah's video.) | 2012-06-07T18:36:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/07/its-a-tsunami-its-a-coiled-spring-its-a-mixed-metaphor-mgtow-manpocalypse/comment-page-1/#comment-161986 |
Now those truly are men going their own way! And I salute them for it. They look like they're actually enjoying themselves. | 2012-06-07T18:36:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/07/its-a-tsunami-its-a-coiled-spring-its-a-mixed-metaphor-mgtow-manpocalypse/comment-page-1/#comment-161985 |
Ok, Hippie, please explain which parts of the statements I quote are serious and which are satirical. | 2012-06-06T16:32:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/06/does-manosphere-blogger-vox-day-really-support-the-murder-and-mutilation-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-161581 |
There was a discussion on r/mr the other day about how much easier it would be to be a gay man, because straight men are so oppressed. | 2012-06-05T18:14:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/05/video-tuesday-pbs-on-reddits-sexism-and-a-dramatic-reading-of-scented-fucking-candles/comment-page-1/#comment-161335 |
Luke is banned. | 2012-06-05T15:43:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/04/argumentum-ad-kittypicturem-a-rebuttal/comment-page-2/#comment-161277 |
Actually, literally no one showed up except the organizers and press: http://manboobz.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/ |
2012-06-05T02:16:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/04/new-mens-rights-posters-fight-misandry-with-racism-homophobia-and-giant-trotskyist-fists/comment-page-2/#comment-161153 |
HA! Now Bernard Chapin is attacking the poster-maker and accusing him of being a sneaky Marxist infiltrator of the MRM for using those lefty clenched fists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dW47nN-1iI&list=UUr3qf3JVwW_41j4LUQZtu9Q&index=1&feature=plcp I wonder if he'll also accuse Elam of being a secret Marxist, given that Elam said he liked these evil lefty posters. |
2012-06-04T23:42:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/04/new-mens-rights-posters-fight-misandry-with-racism-homophobia-and-giant-trotskyist-fists/comment-page-2/#comment-161115 |
DSC, thanks. A quick google search shows that exact fist on SDS' new left notes in 1969, as well as on a sticker from that year. http://www.docspopuli.org/articles/Fist.html http://www.sds-1960s.org/graphics.htm |
2012-06-04T21:05:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/04/new-mens-rights-posters-fight-misandry-with-racism-homophobia-and-giant-trotskyist-fists/comment-page-1/#comment-161045 |
IR, somehow I'm not all that surprised that you think Trotskyists are Stalinists. Do you actually know a single true fact about anything? | 2012-06-04T20:58:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/04/new-mens-rights-posters-fight-misandry-with-racism-homophobia-and-giant-trotskyist-fists/comment-page-1/#comment-161033 |
doesn’t penultimate mean next to last?yep, and that's the pic I meant. |
2012-06-04T19:02:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/04/argumentum-ad-kittypicturem-a-rebuttal/comment-page-1/#comment-160986 |
No, it won't happen. Though there are some MRAs who basically shun Elam. I would like to see more. | 2012-06-04T16:33:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/04/new-mens-rights-posters-fight-misandry-with-racism-homophobia-and-giant-trotskyist-fists/comment-page-1/#comment-160922 |
As Cloudiah has pointed out, there's an actual discussion going on there now. I have completely reworked the ending of the OP to reflect this, and I've added some quotes, including the one she highlighted.
I’m pretty sure the iconic raised, clenched fist graphic originated as the symbol of the Red Front-Fighter’s League, the Communist paramilitary group in pre-Nazi 1920s Weimar Germany.I know that the clenched fist has been around for awhile; I was referring to that specific image of a clenched fist. I don't know its history, beyond the fact that the ISO has used it for a long long time. Was that specific image used by the Red Front, or did they just use the clenched fist idea? |
2012-06-04T16:01:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/04/new-mens-rights-posters-fight-misandry-with-racism-homophobia-and-giant-trotskyist-fists/comment-page-1/#comment-160914 |
My favorite recent comment about my supposed "white knighting" is this one from the spearhead:
The first irony that struck men is: where is Futrelle’s vaunted White-Knightism now? I’d think being a defender of ‘damsels in distress’ he should have rushed immediately to Andie’s side and protected her from the raging Sisterhood. And reminded them too that ‘all men aren’t like that. See, I’m different.’ I’m further surprised that Futrelle had no kindly, soothing, touchy-feely words for Andie, whom he must see as a wayward sister obviously brainwashed by the evil Spearhead minions.http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/06/01/comment-of-the-week-scented-candles/#comment-152563 Huh. I guess the real explanation couldn't possibly be that I judge people by what they think and say and do, regardless of gender, and that Andie is someone with terrible ideas who was acting like an asshole in a somewhat comical manner? |
2012-06-03T19:47:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/03/redditor-do-your-bit-for-gender-equality-by-telling-women-theyre-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-160658 |
Joe, how exactly do you "hold someone to higher standards" without telling them that they are not living up to your standards? Here are the standards he says women (or at least more women than men) don't live up to:
They are exempt from living up to a lot of the standards all human beings should be held up to. They don't have to be kind, they don't have to be thoughtful, they don't have to be generous, they don't have to be giving, they don't have to make sacrifices, they don't have to be compassionate.So to convey to a woman that she isn't living up to all this is to tell her she's mean, thoughtless, selfish, lazy, etc. In other words, that she's terrible. I suppose the other way to hold women up to these new standards, I suppose, would be to shun all of those women you think are terrible. |
2012-06-03T18:12:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/03/redditor-do-your-bit-for-gender-equality-by-telling-women-theyre-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-160632 |
I'm sure someone had the idea about 40 seconds into the first episode. | 2012-06-03T02:36:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/29/the-cold-hard-truth-about-loose-vaginas/comment-page-3/#comment-160471 |
Abnoy, what do you make of this? http://sfrfaceplant.tumblr.com/post/23942178738/this-is-also-the-very-first-mlp-plushie-to-feature |
2012-06-03T02:13:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/29/the-cold-hard-truth-about-loose-vaginas/comment-page-3/#comment-160461 |
I do think Notc is joking, but that ZimbaZumba is serious. | 2012-06-02T23:15:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/02/you-gotta-keep-em-separated/comment-page-1/#comment-160412 |
Speaking of links, here's crella's comment: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/06/01/comment-of-the-week-scented-candles/#comment-152626 |
2012-06-02T18:01:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/02/scented-candles-oppress-men-the-spearhead-at-its-self-proclaimed-best/comment-page-2/#comment-160308 |
I like Crella's comment, which someone linked to earlier:
Futrelle’s blog would not exist if all the MRA sites blocked him from quote mining. He can’t write anything on his own…you never realized that? Every one of his articles starts out with ‘And the MRA said (comment), the asshole’. EVER seen anything written by him that isn’t ridicule of someone else?Actually, as someone who has been a professional writer for two decades, I'm sort of good at writing things "on my own." But the point of this blog is, wait for it, mocking the terrible things that misogynists say. Naturally, this involves quoting them. "Jay Leno's funny headlines segments would not exist if all the newspapers blocked him from headline mining!" Also, how do you "block" someone from quoting something you said in a public forum or on a public blog? MRAs get so angry that I quote what they actually say. Quoting people accurately and giving links to the original quotes in context is MISANDRY! |
2012-06-02T18:00:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/02/scented-candles-oppress-men-the-spearhead-at-its-self-proclaimed-best/comment-page-2/#comment-160307 |
antimanboobz is back: http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/boobz-vs-the-real-world/ |
2012-06-02T17:27:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/01/mras-would-rather-complain-about-male-disposibility-than-work-to-enable-women-to-serve-in-combat/comment-page-3/#comment-160292 |
NWO, shouldn't you be out protesting Bilderburg or something? | 2012-06-01T18:37:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/06/01/mras-would-rather-complain-about-male-disposibility-than-work-to-enable-women-to-serve-in-combat/comment-page-1/#comment-159959 |
Hey, Jade Michael has responded, sort of, to this post:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/devil-with-the-red-pill-on/
Well, not so much responded as tried to talk around the misogyny on his site. I merely skimmed the post, but it looks like he doesn't specifically defend or even try to explain away any of the specific "posters" I criticized on his site. Probably because it's hard to claim with a straight face that:
Remember, when a woman tells you she’s tired it’s the only time she’s actually telling you the truth because…being a raging petty psychotic bitch…while being virtually retarded…while having endless banal thoughts she considers “genius…” while making insane and constant ultimatums…IS absolutely EXHAUSTING!!Is anything other than the raving misogyny that it is. Instead he compares what he's got on his site to a t-shirt a gay friend of his once wore that read: “ditch the bitch and make the switch”. Neither he, nor I ever once heard anything about the manufacturer or retailer of the shirt being accused of misogyny. But the MRM’s critics should, by their standards, decry the shirt as promoting “hate” towards women, right?Well, there's really not question that a shirt like that is misogynist, and a pretty douchey thing for anyone to wear. But at least it's concise, and it rhymes. If the guy owned one such shirt? Not the end of the world, though I might not invite him to many parties. But if he wore nothing but shirts like that, and spent a good deal of his time on websites devoted to slagging on women, I'd have to say that, yeah, he's a hateful misogynistic asshole. |
2012-06-01T01:23:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/27/artisty-against-misandry-peddles-pure-hate/comment-page-4/#comment-159782 |
I just added scented candles to the sidebar. | 2012-06-01T00:13:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/31/the-spearheads-w-f-price-uses-the-death-of-22-year-old-marina-keegan-to-argue-that-after-25-women-are-just-wasting-their-time/comment-page-3/#comment-159772 |
I just let through a comment from jkaupp8 defending Price's piece; scroll up or click here: http://manboobz.com/2012/05/31/the-spearheads-w-f-price-uses-the-death-of-22-year-old-marina-keegan-to-argue-that-after-25-women-are-just-wasting-their-time/comment-page-2/#comment-159686 He seems to have read an altogether different post than everyone here (and everyone over on the spearhead) read. jk, did you also not notice the title Price gave his piece? |
2012-05-31T19:38:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/31/the-spearheads-w-f-price-uses-the-death-of-22-year-old-marina-keegan-to-argue-that-after-25-women-are-just-wasting-their-time/comment-page-3/#comment-159731 |
Cliff, I'm reading through the responses to you there. You stirred up the hornet's nest. Actually that's insulting to hornets. |
2012-05-31T14:20:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/31/the-spearheads-w-f-price-uses-the-death-of-22-year-old-marina-keegan-to-argue-that-after-25-women-are-just-wasting-their-time/comment-page-1/#comment-159624 |
Cliff, that's hilarious and depressing. | 2012-05-31T14:05:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/31/the-spearheads-w-f-price-uses-the-death-of-22-year-old-marina-keegan-to-argue-that-after-25-women-are-just-wasting-their-time/comment-page-1/#comment-159611 |
Antz, yes, Price mentioned men as well, as I pointed out in the OP. Then went on and on about women. Did you not notice the title of his essay? Or that almost all of the comments were about women? Do you even believe the things you post? The world you live in (largely in your own head) must be a very strange place. |
2012-05-31T14:04:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/31/the-spearheads-w-f-price-uses-the-death-of-22-year-old-marina-keegan-to-argue-that-after-25-women-are-just-wasting-their-time/comment-page-1/#comment-159609 |
I just let a bunch of comments through moderation, including one from BigRed on the previous page about modesty and kindergarten teachers that I disagree with completely (except for the bit about surgery). (Is BigRed just trolling?) Also a baffling one from Antz in which he suggests that Laura Wood is "one of us"; never mind the fact that her whole blog is basically devoted to castigating feminists -- she is also a feminist, according to Antz bullshit argument. Antz, alas, actually believes the stuff he posts. |
2012-05-31T13:27:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/30/immodesty-daze-the-thinking-housewife-thinks-immodest-dress-is-a-form-of-violence-towards-men/comment-page-2/#comment-159593 |
Cliff, she's got transcripts of some of her videos on her blog: http://owningyourshit.blogspot.com/ But lord almighty they are tedious too. Why are so many MRAs and Fem-RAs so in love with the sound of their own voice? |
2012-05-29T23:18:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/29/the-cold-hard-truth-about-loose-vaginas/comment-page-1/#comment-159341 |
There's plenty to dislike about NOW already without resorting to speculation. Kavette, there's no evidence at all for what you're saying about him. | 2012-05-29T18:12:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/28/a-voice-for-men-say-no-to-homophobia-and-then-watch-this-hilarious-video-bashing-lesbians/comment-page-5/#comment-159272 |
Apparently NWO has become the art director for AVFM, judging by the picture for this post: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/lets-belittle-men/ Weirdly, neither of the male authors of that post is or has ever been employed as a boat-dragger. |
2012-05-28T15:50:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/28/a-voice-for-men-say-no-to-homophobia-and-then-watch-this-hilarious-video-bashing-lesbians/comment-page-2/#comment-158951 |
link for that last quote: http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/attacking-male-sexuality/#comment-98558 | 2012-05-28T15:39:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/28/a-voice-for-men-say-no-to-homophobia-and-then-watch-this-hilarious-video-bashing-lesbians/comment-page-2/#comment-158946 |
I added that lovely quote from Elam to the post.
As well as this, er, innovative explanation for homophobia against gay men:
Gay men are bashed, when all is said and done, because they are not of utilitarian value to women, and because they are perceived as not having enough strength to be of utilitarian value to the elites.He doesn't need an explanation for homophobia against "lesbobos," apparently they're just naturally hateable and hiliarious. |
2012-05-28T15:38:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/28/a-voice-for-men-say-no-to-homophobia-and-then-watch-this-hilarious-video-bashing-lesbians/comment-page-2/#comment-158945 |
NWO, if someone finds the thought of interracial sex "repulsive," I would have no trouble describing that person as racist. (Of course, there are people who love interracial sex who are also racist, but that's a whole other issue.) | 2012-05-28T15:16:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/28/a-voice-for-men-say-no-to-homophobia-and-then-watch-this-hilarious-video-bashing-lesbians/comment-page-1/#comment-158932 |
NWO, can you tell me what the defining act is that makes a gay person gay? I live in a heavily gay neighborhood, so I see gay people doing gay things all the time: eating lunch, shopping, walking dogs. Those are all gay acts, because the people doing them are gay. Or is gay sex the only thing that counts as gay? There are gay people who are celibate and not interested in sex, or who have never had sex (but want to), or who have had sex but never with someone of their own gender. Even the gayest gay in gaytown isn't having gay sex all the time. (I wonder, if sex is the only defining gay act, if someone who has gay sex twice as often as another gay person is therefore twice as gay?) Yes, sometimes I see gay couples holding hands, or kissing. I pretty much never see them having sex, so even if I were disgusted by that it wouldn't really affect my daily life. I'm not sure why it affects yours, unless you hate gays all the time, not just when they are having sex. Somehow I suspect that you would be "disgusted" by gay guys walking down the street holding hands. |
2012-05-28T14:34:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/28/a-voice-for-men-say-no-to-homophobia-and-then-watch-this-hilarious-video-bashing-lesbians/comment-page-1/#comment-158918 |
If someone says they find the actions of gays repulsive, they’re branded a homophobe.Uh, yeah, you've basically given the dictionary definition of "homophobe." Just like if someone says they find the actions of black people repulsive, they’re "branded a racist." Because that actually is racist. |
2012-05-28T13:22:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/28/a-voice-for-men-say-no-to-homophobia-and-then-watch-this-hilarious-video-bashing-lesbians/comment-page-1/#comment-158889 |
Since that app for viewing Reality's, er, artwork on the site is so crappy, I added another graphic of his and some of his clever slogans in text form to the OP. Yeah, the Chas Bono thing is pretty nasty. I'll deal with that and some other MRA homo/transphobia in another post tomorrow. |
2012-05-27T15:40:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/27/artisty-against-misandry-peddles-pure-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-158608 |
Woah, NWO was sort of right about something. | 2012-05-26T15:52:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/25/shitredditsays-has-an-art-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-158266 |
new one from NWO up. NWO, you've written literally 3003 comments on this site. You're moderated only because you launched some really nasty personal attacks. | 2012-05-26T15:34:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/25/shitredditsays-has-an-art-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-158252 |
NWO seems to think that I did a post based on a comment from Ozy, which I don't remember doing. Maybe I SHOULD start highlighting good comments in posts. I think I've done that maybe once. NWO, are you happy at your job? Seems like you kind of aren't. Have you thought about changing professions? There really aren't that many jobs out there that demand you work on 125 degree heat, so it would seem like you'd find almost any other job preferable to the one you have now. Maybe you could get one of those easy jobs in a profession dominated by women, like cleaning bedpans at a nursing home? |
2012-05-26T15:08:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/25/shitredditsays-has-an-art-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-158242 |
I just let a fresh batch of NWO comments out of moderation; you'll have to go to the previous page to see them. | 2012-05-26T14:46:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/25/shitredditsays-has-an-art-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-158230 |
Oh dear. Someone claiming to be Jimmy Zinn has posted this (I just let it through):
http://manboobz.com/2012/05/24/a-die-hard-mra-and-hard-rock-fan-sends-rebecca-watson-his-drunken-manifesto-also-hes-19/comment-page-3/#comment-158048
It's on the last page, so to save you the trouble here's his comment again:
http://immyzinn7.blog.com DIS B DA BLOG 2 CHANGE DA WORLD! read daily and you will be converted! mens rights revolution is near!Is this the real Jimmy Zinn? Is Jimmy Zinn real? I have no idea. |
2012-05-25T21:02:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/a-die-hard-mra-and-hard-rock-fan-sends-rebecca-watson-his-drunken-manifesto-also-hes-19/comment-page-3/#comment-158080 |
Lady Zombie, I assumed they were referring to Snatch, but (see the comments above) someone told me that wasn't it. Is it a Canadian thing maybe? Norm Macdonald refers to dogs as "dags." | 2012-05-25T20:39:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/25/shitredditsays-has-an-art-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-158067 |
chocomintlipwax, the pic is a combo Slash hat and wig you can buy at a costume shop. | 2012-05-25T20:37:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/a-die-hard-mra-and-hard-rock-fan-sends-rebecca-watson-his-drunken-manifesto-also-hes-19/comment-page-3/#comment-158064 |
"I like big butts, I cannot lie." --Sylvia Plath | 2012-05-25T18:40:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/19/heads-youre-a-misandrist-tails-youre-also-a-misandrist/comment-page-3/#comment-158021 |
I was an enormous music snob in high school, and have sort of gotten progressively less snobby over the years. But I am still a little snobby. |
2012-05-25T18:38:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/a-die-hard-mra-and-hard-rock-fan-sends-rebecca-watson-his-drunken-manifesto-also-hes-19/comment-page-3/#comment-158019 |
I removed the Snatch reference; maybe someone can explain the real genesis of "dag." | 2012-05-25T18:16:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/25/shitredditsays-has-an-art-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-158017 |
Well, AAM is going to provide fodder for several blog posts at least! I think "reality" deserves his own post. Also, to add to the fun here, our good pal antimanboobz has a new one, this one featuring darksidecat: http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/darksidecat-33/ |
2012-05-24T20:03:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-2/#comment-157723 |
Just watched (part of) “Girls Who Look Like Guys Who Look Like Girls.” That was a ... treat. Also, "reality" has a song on the songs page. It's a lovely little acoustic number about how women are like open sewers. Or something. I had to turn it off fairly quickly. |
2012-05-24T19:53:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-2/#comment-157715 |
Why do MRAs have such terrible taste in fonts? (And why do they have to use ten different ones when one would do.) | 2012-05-24T19:44:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-2/#comment-157707 |
Oh,and the "twilight new fags" one has barely readable text at the top. | 2012-05-24T19:13:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-2/#comment-157686 |
Actually, most of them are readable. The one I'm having trouble with is I think the third one, cartoon man and woman walking, something at the bottom about women being tapeworm parasites. "The [unreadable] tapeworm parasites." | 2012-05-24T19:11:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-2/#comment-157685 |
Yeah, I did the maximize thing; they're still fairly small and unreadable in some cases. | 2012-05-24T18:55:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-2/#comment-157678 |
How do I see the "art" of "reality" full sized? | 2012-05-24T18:44:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-1/#comment-157669 |
Ta da: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4jvrvcyXX1qzl7x8o1_500.png |
2012-05-24T18:28:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-1/#comment-157661 |
Yeah, I think the "artist" is a little confused. I don't wear baseball caps. Generally speaking it's not what you'd call an accurate representation of me. Though, oddly, I am shirtless at the moment. (It's hot outside.) |
2012-05-24T17:58:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-1/#comment-157648 |
Oh my god that picture of "me" is hilarious. How do you get to see those pics full-size? When I click on them and/or "view image" I get the tiny versions up on that page. |
2012-05-24T17:49:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-1/#comment-157640 |
Note to Deon Gillian, if you want to post here, don't cut-and-paste giant documents into the comments, especially if they're off-topic. Respond in your own words to what is being discussed, and if you wish to refer to a long article, link to it. | 2012-05-24T15:40:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/24/male-strom-in-a-teacup/comment-page-1/#comment-157625 |
Factfinder: Here's the rest of the paragraph you quoted from:
But she insists, "Mira is not me. Elements of my personality are in her, but a lot more are in the character Valerie." In the book Valerie's daughter is raped—an ordeal which French's own daughter suffered in 1972. "Sometimes I felt so violent about it and how the courts treated her," French admits, "that there seemed no recourse but to go out, buy a gun and shoot the kid who did it, and the lawyers too. I couldn't help my own child." Plenty of that rage made its way into The Women's Room. "I'm less angry now. Being too deep in anger corrodes your interior."Did you get that, FF? She was angry BECAUSE HER DAUGHTER WAS RAPED. And evidently the rapist was acquitted. Back in 1972, rape was prosecuted even more ineptly than it is today. Much of that anger went into the novel. But she worked through her anger, because, as she says at the end "Being too deep in anger corrodes your interior." Something that MRAs, who have a lot less to be angry about, might want to learn one of these days. |
2012-05-24T01:57:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/22/oh-the-questions-they-ask/comment-page-5/#comment-157498 |
Ugh. I still have not been able to bring myself to read that Bardamu post. At some point I need to write about it. | 2012-05-24T00:05:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/23/ferdinand-bardamu-caught-monologuing-again/comment-page-2/#comment-157469 |
I think that circumcision is the only issue on which the MRAs have changed my opinions (that is, changed my opinions so that I agree with them to a point). Before encountering MRAS I did not think much about the subject. Now I am opposed to it. I do think that much of their rhetoric on the subject is overblown, as are the direct comparisons to FGM, but, yeah, you shouldn't do that to a baby boy. |
2012-05-23T19:21:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/22/oh-the-questions-they-ask/comment-page-4/#comment-157440 |
I don't think "butthurt" is always meant as a rape reference, but for some people it is, and it certainly can be read as one, so I agree that we'd probably do best to avoid it. | 2012-05-23T19:11:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/a-brony-has-some-truly-horrifying-questions-about-rape/comment-page-3/#comment-157437 |
princessbonbon, thank you for that! | 2012-05-23T18:56:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/21/banned-in-the-mra/comment-page-2/#comment-157429 |
I've removed Antz' picture (but not his deliberately misleading caption) and put him on permanent moderation for posting it. Graphic pictures like this are not welcome here, and the deliberately misleading caption makes it worse. Graphic pictures featuring girls or women as victims would also be deleted. General note: If you feel you need to point to graphic pictures to make a point -- and I don't think anyone does-- you need to provide a link to those pictures ON ANOTHER SITE and you must provide a non-triggering warning as to their graphic content. I would strongly recommend that you not link to graphic images at all. |
2012-05-23T12:59:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/22/oh-the-questions-they-ask/comment-page-4/#comment-157340 |
BigMomma, so sorry. | 2012-05-23T04:31:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/21/the-new-statesmen-publishes-an-excellent-precis-of-the-mens-rights-movement-mras-are-naturally-outraged/comment-page-3/#comment-157194 |
Antz, I may disagree with Ig about almost everything, but he's not stupid, nor is he delusional enough to believe Elam's ridiculous conspiracy theory about r/beatingwomen. The only people who believe that nonsense are those living in the AVFM bubble. At think at this point even Elam realizes that whoever sent him that "intel" claiming that I had something to do with r/beatingwomen was trolling, and that he's been had. You do remember his promise to come forward with evidence, right? Whatever happened to that? (Hint: he has no evidence. There is none.) |
2012-05-22T15:44:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/21/banned-in-the-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-156845 |
Note to Billy: If you feel you've been misunderstood, feel free to explain what people are misunderstanding and what you really meant. | 2012-05-22T05:19:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/15/the-false-rape-society-is-shocked-shocked-by-a-fraternitys-who-would-you-rape-survey/comment-page-17/#comment-156747 |
Quackers, awesome comment! | 2012-05-22T03:14:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/21/the-new-statesmen-publishes-an-excellent-precis-of-the-mens-rights-movement-mras-are-naturally-outraged/comment-page-2/#comment-156736 |
Wait, now he's going after PEOPLE I FOLLOW ON TWITTER? http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/ironic-feminist-comment-of-the-day/ |
2012-05-21T22:40:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/20/seen-one-feminist-seen-them-all/comment-page-2/#comment-156706 |
Lady Zombie, not sure why the spam filter (which I don't check as often as the moderation filter) grabbed that comment of yours, but it's up now, on the previous page. | 2012-05-21T20:23:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/15/spearheader-lets-breed-those-stuck-up-white-western-women-out-of-existence/comment-page-5/#comment-156649 |
I should probably stop posting these links, because it just encourages him, but here's anti-man boobz' latest: http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/the-hypocrisy-of-futrelle/ This may be his least substantive post ever! |
2012-05-21T19:09:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/20/seen-one-feminist-seen-them-all/comment-page-2/#comment-156613 |
Who threatened to kill the woman who “came up with the idea of a women’s shelter?” WTF?Erin Pizzey, who apparently set up the first shelter in England, later wrote an anti-feminist screed in which she claimed to have been threatened by feminists for advocating shelters for men. It's entirely possible she was. If so, whoever did it was a shithead. MRAs often cite this, although it happened 40 years ago, as a sort of excuse for why they haven't tried to set up shelters for men themselves, and as proof that feminists are evil monsters who don't care about DV against men. Maybe I should spend the next 40 years denouncing all MRAs for wanting me to get liver cancer. |
2012-05-21T18:14:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/21/the-new-statesmen-publishes-an-excellent-precis-of-the-mens-rights-movement-mras-are-naturally-outraged/comment-page-1/#comment-156586 |
I found the video unpleasant, but as it was posted with numerous disclaimers, I'll leave it up. Dogs hump things. People's legs, furniture, animals that aren't dogs, sometimes actual other dogs. | 2012-05-21T18:08:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/21/the-new-statesmen-publishes-an-excellent-precis-of-the-mens-rights-movement-mras-are-naturally-outraged/comment-page-1/#comment-156584 |
Also, NWO seems to spend a LOT of time watching the Disney channel. | 2012-05-20T17:56:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/19/heads-youre-a-misandrist-tails-youre-also-a-misandrist/comment-page-2/#comment-156264 |
my eyes still grow damp to imagine how Salman Khan sent the diplomas as an attachment from his very own mail address to meWait, the legendary Bolllywood hunk and star of Hum Aapke Hain Koun teaches physics on the internet? Oh, different Salman Khan. |
2012-05-20T16:59:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/a-brony-has-some-truly-horrifying-questions-about-rape/comment-page-3/#comment-156242 |
Hey Alpha Asshole, have you ever seen "What the [bleep] do we know?" It will have you banging your head on whatever flat surface is nearest. Plan for it to take longer than the running time to watch, because you will probably want to regularly pause it to yell at the people who made it and/or who appear in it. Not only is the science bad, but everything else about it is bad. |
2012-05-19T20:19:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/a-brony-has-some-truly-horrifying-questions-about-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-155910 |
I also like the "almost certainly backed by feminists" bit. He has no evidence it was, because there is none, so he just adds "almost certainly" and he's good to go! | 2012-05-19T19:21:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/19/heads-youre-a-misandrist-tails-youre-also-a-misandrist/comment-page-1/#comment-155889 |
Elmer makes a funny! | 2012-05-19T14:10:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/18/mens-rights-redditor-wit-is-one-of-the-greatest-aspects-of-the-mrm/comment-page-1/#comment-155779 |
Cloudiah, for a larger version of the turtle picture, see here: http://manboobz.blogspot.com/2010/12/masculine-inadequacies-drive-women-nuts.html For some reason when that old post got transferred to wordpress, the picture ended up smaller: http://manboobz.com/2010/12/16/masculine-inadequacies-drive-women-nuts-also-turtles/ Masculine inadequacies drive women nuts! |
2012-05-18T19:39:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/18/mens-rights-redditor-wit-is-one-of-the-greatest-aspects-of-the-mrm/comment-page-1/#comment-155594 |
Also, if you use the phrase "no disrespect" you can say anything you want and it's ok. "No disrespect, but your mother's a whore." |
2012-05-18T19:31:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/18/mens-rights-redditor-wit-is-one-of-the-greatest-aspects-of-the-mrm/comment-page-1/#comment-155589 |
Huh. HL Mencken, as much as I enjoy reading him, was not exactly known for his devotion to women's rights; he was if anything a bit of a misogynist. Also, I just discovered an up-and-coming blog you should all check out! http://antiantimanboobz.wordpress.com/ |
2012-05-18T16:08:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/17/no-women-arent-better-than-men-but-the-guys-at-a-voice-for-men-are-doing-their-best-to-make-men-look-bad/comment-page-9/#comment-155553 |
Anti-manboobz is back, this time writing about ... his own comment here: http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/men-as-the-architects-and-the-oppressed/ |
2012-05-18T13:55:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/17/no-women-arent-better-than-men-but-the-guys-at-a-voice-for-men-are-doing-their-best-to-make-men-look-bad/comment-page-8/#comment-155505 |
I'm a little behind here, but I thought Deadgirl was quite good, and subversively feminist. The ending was a little ... dark, and I can imagine a lot of Nice Guys watching the film and not really seeing the problem at the end. Which is incredibly creepy. It would be interesting to show it to a gender studies class. Then again, when I've described the film to feminist women I know, they were mostly appalled, and none of them wanted to watch it. I think it's a film that's probably a lot harder for most women to watch than for most men, even assuming an equal interest in horror. |
2012-05-18T13:39:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/17/no-women-arent-better-than-men-but-the-guys-at-a-voice-for-men-are-doing-their-best-to-make-men-look-bad/comment-page-8/#comment-155502 |
Give me a minute .... Damn, being a misandrist overlord is more work than I expected it would be. Oh, also, I'm banning SMK for general spammy ickiness. Thanks, lickspittle toadies, for pointing out his previous comments! |
2012-05-17T18:23:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/17/no-women-arent-better-than-men-but-the-guys-at-a-voice-for-men-are-doing-their-best-to-make-men-look-bad/comment-page-2/#comment-155031 |
So what do you think, lickspittle toadies? | 2012-05-17T18:16:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/17/no-women-arent-better-than-men-but-the-guys-at-a-voice-for-men-are-doing-their-best-to-make-men-look-bad/comment-page-2/#comment-155028 |
Ah ha ha ha:
http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/roger-ebert-goes-full-mangina-51/
To his credit, Futrelle doesn’t condone Ebert’s misandry- but then again Dave’s always been a sneaky one that way. He won’t stand in solidarity with Ebert- but note that he’s happy to spin an instance of bold-faced misandry into an opportunity to bash MRAs who are righteously angry, ultimately concluding:In other words, my saying that women aren't superior to men is ... MISANDRY!! Evidently everything I do and say is MISANDRY!!!!!! And SINISTER!!!Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.Remember what I said about subtle bigotry? This is a prime example. Misandry and misandric attitudes are dismissed in our culture because the concept itself is seen as illegitimate. And by portraying AVfM’s righteous anger as childish and “proving Ebert’s point”, Futrelle is knowingly and consciously destroying the legitimacy of misandry as a concept. It’s psychological manipulation on a global scale, and it’s downright sinister. And Futrelle, along with his lickspittle toadies, are happily contributing to the anti-male conspiracy. This is why I started Anti-Manboobz. |
2012-05-17T18:16:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/17/no-women-arent-better-than-men-but-the-guys-at-a-voice-for-men-are-doing-their-best-to-make-men-look-bad/comment-page-2/#comment-155027 |
Just added these links: http://arthurgoldwag.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/paul-elam-weighs-in/ http://radfemworldnews.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/splc-follows-up-on-mra-concerns-finds-them-ridiculous-and-willfully-obtuse/ |
2012-05-17T17:47:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/the-splc-responds-to-mras-critical-of-its-report-on-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-3/#comment-155015 |
Just added these links to the piece. As has been mentioned, AVfM has responded. Goldwage has responded to them. And his piece has also gotten criticism from a Tumblr blog for quoting a transphobic RadFem. http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/the-continuing-education-of-arthur-goldwag/ http://arthurgoldwag.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/the-education-of-arthur-goldwag/ http://stfufauxminists.tumblr.com/post/23205594232/southern-poverty-law-center-quotes-anti-trans-bigot |
2012-05-17T13:59:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/the-splc-responds-to-mras-critical-of-its-report-on-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-3/#comment-154915 |
antimanboobz strikes again! http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/breaking-rutee-makes-an-ass-of-herself-again/ |
2012-05-17T13:42:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/the-splc-responds-to-mras-critical-of-its-report-on-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-3/#comment-154908 |
This one's the best: http://t.qkme.me/35q8y1.jpg |
2012-05-16T19:36:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/the-splc-responds-to-mras-critical-of-its-report-on-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-154800 |
Have I ever mentioned some of the other anti-me blogs? http://dingydave.blogspot.com/ http://futrellesfrumundacheez.blogspot.com/ This one's had a few posts about me: http://traitorsofmen.blogspot.com/ |
2012-05-16T18:35:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/the-splc-responds-to-mras-critical-of-its-report-on-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-154789 |
Note: Mr. Varpole ( whose comment I just let through moderation) is the guy behind this new blog: http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/ Like his comment, his latest post is also directed at Rutee. |
2012-05-16T17:01:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/the-splc-responds-to-mras-critical-of-its-report-on-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-154756 |
I'm pretty sure garvin is just trolling, but who the fuck knows at this point. | 2012-05-16T14:02:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/16/the-splc-responds-to-mras-critical-of-its-report-on-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-154642 |
The dude behind an exciting new anti-Man Boobz blog has written about some of Rutee's comments in this thread: http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/05/16/womansplainer-of-the-month-2/ |
2012-05-16T10:00:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/29/strange-discovery-of-the-day-mens-rights-bronies/comment-page-3/#comment-154573 |
Alas, Laura Wood is completely serious. | 2012-05-15T23:21:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/15/spearheader-lets-breed-those-stuck-up-white-western-women-out-of-existence/comment-page-1/#comment-154499 |
Pillowinhell, yeah, it's in walking in hell's comment. (I didn't quote the whole thing.) It's not a slip; it's part of his argument, that comes up again in the stuff I did quote, when he says that "Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling." Here's what he said about "too strong" white women:
I had one perceptive African friend who lived in Czech Republic for many years. He put the problem very succinctly: He said, “white women are too strong for the men.” He said this when referring to Russian, Eastern European, Canadian, and American Women. What he left out was that not only are they too strong for the men, they have the government behind them, thus making them stronger, and they have no morals. |
2012-05-15T15:57:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/15/spearheader-lets-breed-those-stuck-up-white-western-women-out-of-existence/comment-page-1/#comment-154442 |
Kathleen, this is a blog about misogyny. We expose and mock misogyny; we don't celebrate it. It's hard to discuss the subject without quoting directly what misogynists say. And what they say is often horrific, whether or not they use slurs. That's why I have a trigger warning at the top of every page. If someone directs misogynist slurs at a particular commenter here, I will put the slur-user on moderation or ban them. |
2012-05-14T11:33:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/comments-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-154207 |
I think Elam got trolled, and believed the trolls because 1) he's a gullible deluded idiot who lives in an ideological bubble surrounded by sycophants and 2) he's been itching to have an excuse to go after me. | 2012-05-14T01:58:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/13/happy-mothers-day-the-a-voice-for-men-way-note-much-worse-than-youd-think/comment-page-2/#comment-154065 |
Voip, I think he's saying that evil feminists really do hate women, in a secret sadistic way. Or at least, that I do. | 2012-05-14T00:14:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/13/happy-mothers-day-the-a-voice-for-men-way-note-much-worse-than-youd-think/comment-page-2/#comment-154036 |
Antz is beyond delusional. But then again, so is Elam. I can't imagine what it's like to live inside their brains. |
2012-05-14T00:12:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/13/happy-mothers-day-the-a-voice-for-men-way-note-much-worse-than-youd-think/comment-page-2/#comment-154035 |
Sorry, folks, I've got to ban VAWA dude here. His web site, which he linked to with his name, is basically set up to harass a woman who was apparently his ex-wife. So, bye bye, VAWA guy. | 2012-05-13T23:25:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/09/womens-suffrage-still-controversial-apparently/comment-page-7/#comment-154012 |
Argenti Aertheri, actually, the person impersonating me now is manzboobz (with a z after man). Upper and lower case don't matter on reddit. Manzboobz isn't actually posting as me; it's clear he's an MRA. So I've ignored him. I did have a big issue with impersonators earlier, though. There were several other accounts (probably all the same person) impersonating me that I spent a long time trying to get banned -- and which I finally did, though it literally took months and possibly 2 dozen emails from me. The Reddit admins did it. The mods of r/mensrights refused repeated requests from me. |
2012-05-13T21:52:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/13/happy-mothers-day-the-a-voice-for-men-way-note-much-worse-than-youd-think/comment-page-1/#comment-153927 |
crella, I didn;t know about that until a few minutes ago. It's not true, and I have asked the reddit admins to force the r/beatingwomen mods to take it down. (The r/beatingwomen mods are the assholes who put it up in the first place, so I'm not going to ask them.) You realize anyone in the world can claim to be someone else. That doesn't mean it's true. I could claim to be Paul Elam. I could put text at the top of man boobz that says "made and run by Paul Elam." I could claim to be you. You'll notice that the r/beatingwomen page also has a picture of Elam with the quote "best subreddit of the year" next to it. I don't assume that's true, and I'm assuming you don't either. And I'm not going to blame Elam if he doesn't get it taken down instantly. Why? Because the mods of r/beatingwomen are lying, trolling assholes. Not suprising for a subreddit devoted to laughing at videos and pictures of women being violently assaulted. |
2012-05-13T21:47:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/13/happy-mothers-day-the-a-voice-for-men-way-note-much-worse-than-youd-think/comment-page-1/#comment-153924 |
I hope Elam is inspired by this to start rapping all his posts. | 2012-05-13T15:32:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/13/happy-mothers-day-the-a-voice-for-men-way-note-much-worse-than-youd-think/comment-page-1/#comment-153840 |
I think the rapper must have a misandrist engineer, given how shitty this sounds. There's so much obviously-unintentional distortion on both the vocals and the music. Dude, turn your levels down. Use compression or a limiter or something. |
2012-05-13T15:31:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/13/happy-mothers-day-the-a-voice-for-men-way-note-much-worse-than-youd-think/comment-page-1/#comment-153838 |
I'm not sure crella understands the concept behind the blog. | 2012-05-13T02:57:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/11/mgtowers-agree-most-american-women-have-fallen-apart-or-completely-without-value-by-40/comment-page-3/#comment-153722 |
Antz, just to repeat what has already been said: THERE WAS NO RAPE. THERE WAS NO NOTHING. THE WOMAN NEVER MET HIM. | 2012-05-11T17:25:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/11/justin-bieber-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-153333 |
He's not posting from connecticut, BTW. | 2012-05-10T16:12:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/09/womens-suffrage-still-controversial-apparently/comment-page-5/#comment-152989 |
The fat acceptance movement is overwhelmingly female with a tiny male component and I don’t think it’s hard to see why.Because fat guys don't face many hassles because of their weight? Unless, of course, they make fun of misogynists online. |
2012-05-10T13:48:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/10/ferdinand-bardamu-to-fat-chicks-dont-make-me-want-you/comment-page-1/#comment-152946 |
And .... John Thomas is Pell. (Or someone in the same city with a similar IP.) Banned, this time before the inevitable full meltdown. I gotta check those IPs more carefully. |
2012-05-10T10:46:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/09/womens-suffrage-still-controversial-apparently/comment-page-4/#comment-152880 |
ThePigman has responded to this post on his blog: http://thepigmancometh.com/2012/05/10/manboobz-i-mock-him/ |
2012-05-10T10:10:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/08/mens-rights-bronies-part-2-the-piggening/comment-page-2/#comment-152860 |
Note: Claymore is "the pigman." The thumbnail now links to the cartoon on his web site. It is still terrible. Also, he's now screencapped several entire posts of mine and put them up on his blog here, along with some ranty crap about them and me. Yes, that's right, he screencapped two entire posts from me in the very same post in which he complains about having his content stolen. | 2012-05-10T09:56:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-6/#comment-152859 |
Do better, Men’s Right’s Reddit.Actually, this was in Ask Reddit. |
2012-05-09T11:00:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/09/put-that-shallow-tramp-back-in-her-place-or-reddit-discovers-another-woman-to-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-152459 |
Good morning, everybody! I'm up! Have been for several hours! My schedule rotation continues apace! Magpie, hope your kitty gets better! |
2012-05-09T03:32:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/08/working-the-midnight-shift/comment-page-1/#comment-152362 |
pillowinhell, well, I recently got into a "discussion" with him about the CIA thing. He has a very limited number of obsessions that he repeats endlessly, and that one seems to be the newest addition to his limited repertoire. That's one of the reasons that each time he's come back to post here using a new seekret identity he's been caught fairly quickly. Also, he posted probably several thousand comments here before I finally banned him, so I've certainly read enough of him. |
2012-05-08T16:28:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/08/mens-rights-bronies-part-2-the-piggening/comment-page-1/#comment-152273 |
Wow. I'm simultaneously heartened to see that I'm not alone in my sleep weirdness, but sad that so many of us have sleep issues. I'm pretty sure I'm wired for a 25-hour day. Today has been a bit of a surreal day -- so many hours of sunlight! But now it is time for bed. Oh, and I didn't mean to alarm anyone with the cat picture. I think a good rule of thumb for MBZ is that if you can't tell what a picture I post is at first glance, it's probably a cat. |
2012-05-08T16:22:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/08/working-the-midnight-shift/comment-page-1/#comment-152272 |
Dracula, don't you turn to dust when sunlight hits you? | 2012-05-08T02:25:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/08/working-the-midnight-shift/comment-page-1/#comment-152137 |
argenti, I know you asked this in another thread, but swearing is fine here. I really only moderate and/or ban when someone goes after a particular person in a really nasty way, or uses offensive slurs, etc. Or if I just get sick of someone. | 2012-05-08T01:54:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/08/working-the-midnight-shift/comment-page-1/#comment-152133 |
I just let a bunch of comments out of ,moderation, including several on the rape stats question from Skeptical Cubefarmer. Welcome, Skeptical Cubefarmer! | 2012-05-07T20:29:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/06/friend-zoning-out/comment-page-2/#comment-151982 |
Jessay, thanks for that link. Skeptical Cube Farmer's rebuttal to the misuse of that CDC report is extremely useful; MRAs bring it up all the time. | 2012-05-07T04:13:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/06/friend-zoning-out/comment-page-1/#comment-151864 |
NWO:
do any of you know what private entity came up with the hate crime laws? I’ll give ya a hint, this powerful private entity was established the same year the federal reserve was established. Might even be the same group of people.The Elders of Zion? The Trilateral Commission? The Chicago Bears? |
2012-05-06T21:52:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/05/not-all-misogynists-are-like-that/comment-page-4/#comment-151770 |
I guess you could say that there are two kinds of friend zones: the kind where the "nice guy" (or gal) is nice as a means to an end, and where there isn't a real mutual friendship; and the kind in which the "friendzoned" person actually does like the person as a friend, but is also in unrequited love/lust with the other person. And there are countless cases where it's sort of a mixture of the two. Years ago, I had a really bad crush on a friend of mine that was mostly group B, but with some A in there as well. We did become pretty good friends, and might have remained so except for the fact that was also obsessed with her romantically, and that basically ruined it for us as friends. Either way, it's not a healthy dynamic for either party in that kind of friendship. |
2012-05-06T21:01:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/06/friend-zoning-out/comment-page-1/#comment-151760 |
Also, on the whole "evil murdering women" thing, here's a site that's both illuminating and depressing: http://www.domesticviolencecrimewatch.com/ It catalogs violent crimes that are related to domestic violence. At first when you look at it, you might assume it's only focusing on male-on-female violence. But it's not. There are cases involving violent women as well. It's just that, as is the case with violent crime generally, the overwhelming majority of these violent crimes are committed by men. |
2012-05-06T04:58:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/05/not-all-misogynists-are-like-that/comment-page-2/#comment-151593 |
you never hear people speculating they might be secretly repressed heterosexuals.Well, that's sort of my theory. Not the secret or the repressed part, but MRAs/MGTOWers are overwhelmingly hetero. (I think I've run across a grand total of 2 gay MRAs out there, and no MGTOWers that I know of.) And I don't think any significant number of them are asexual, openly or otherwise. I don't think the intense anger and the hatred of women we see from so many of them makes sense without them also desiring women. It would be one thing if MGTOWers were indifferent to women, but they very clearly are not. They're pissed that they desire women but can't control them. They're obsessed with women. They talk more about women than feminists do. |
2012-05-06T04:55:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/05/not-all-misogynists-are-like-that/comment-page-2/#comment-151592 |
MRAs have so much more fun attacking their enemies for things they didn't say than for things they did. It's an entire movement based on strawmanning feminists and feminism. | 2012-05-05T22:16:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-7/#comment-151516 |
I'm a little baffled by the discussion of asexuality and MGTOW here. It's certianly possible that some MGTOWers are asexual and/or gay, and they use MGTOW-ism as a way to "explain" to themselves and others why they don't want to have sex with women. Somehow to them, saying "I don't want to have sex with women b/c they're evil or dirty or they'll take all my money is easier that "I don't want to have sex with women because I'm asexual or gay." To say this isn't to insult asexuals any more than saying most MGTOWers seem to be heterosexual is an insult to heterosexuals. I do think they're mostly heterosexual, b/c so many of them make clear (explicitly or implicitly) that they want to have sex with women; that's why they spend so much time talking about how to get rid of their desires. |
2012-05-05T22:09:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/05/not-all-misogynists-are-like-that/comment-page-2/#comment-151507 |
Chris and Dave don't have the same IP; Chris' IP seems to point to a place in a desert not that close to any roads. | 2012-05-05T20:16:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-6/#comment-151446 |
NWO has once again graced us with his opinions; I just let a batch of his comments through moderation. Scroll up, be annoyed, etc. | 2012-05-04T19:19:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/04/first-comes-feminism-then-comes-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-151203 |
I just let through a bunch of comments from NWO; scroll up to see them. (They're all on this page of comments.) | 2012-05-04T19:07:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-5/#comment-151196 |
And right on cue: DSK faces new allegations of rape: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4297094/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-faces-fresh-gang-rape-claims.html |
2012-05-04T05:20:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-4/#comment-151045 |
I doubt WWB is MRAL. | 2012-05-03T23:10:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-4/#comment-151015 |
Antz, I mean this seriously, if your stories are true, you should be talking about all this with a therapist, not with people on a message board who you continually try to antagonize. And I guarantee you that hanging out on AVFM (and believing the shit Elam et al are shoveling there) isn't doing you any good either. | 2012-05-03T21:40:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-4/#comment-150994 |
Antz, oh boy. When I asked for more details I didn't mean "was the 17 year old HOTTTTTTTT?" I was asking because, I dunno, people don't usually offer out of the blue to let people they don't know live with them. And apparently your experience, if your new story is true, shows why this tends to be the case. Now you've added even more implausible details onto your original implausible tale. What I'd like to hear are details that might explain why you acted in such a strange fashion with both of these women. (And which might make your story sound vaguely plausible.) |
2012-05-03T21:07:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-3/#comment-150977 |
Antz, you really need to learn to tell stories better, because this one reads like the worst Penthouse Letter ever. Out of the blue you offered to let a 17-year-old girl you'd never met before who'd been kicked out of her dad's home for excessive drinking stay in your house over the summer? Then started having sex with another woman so she'd move in with you, jsut to preotect you from a possible false accusation from the 17 year old? None of this sounds even remotely plausible. I think we're going to need some more details here before we even consider believing any of it. |
2012-05-03T20:08:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-3/#comment-150943 |
[citation needed] is misandry! | 2012-05-03T17:17:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-2/#comment-150889 |
I just let a bunch of comments through moderation; some of them are on the previous page of comments here, including a great one about insurance and birth control from EEB that's definitely worth going back to and reading: http://manboobz.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-1/#comment-150796 | 2012-05-03T16:48:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-2/#comment-150872 |
Kathleen, so sorry about your friends. | 2012-05-02T19:25:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/09/a-quick-preview-of-my-northwestern-talk-tonight-on-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-4/#comment-150706 |
Yeah, the mods finally banned him. | 2012-05-02T04:31:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/30/spearheader-the-existence-of-fat-women-constitutes-nothing-less-than-a-full-scale-loathing-of-male-sexuality/comment-page-4/#comment-150582 |
Jeremiah truly is a shitty piece of shit. | 2012-05-02T02:50:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/30/spearheader-the-existence-of-fat-women-constitutes-nothing-less-than-a-full-scale-loathing-of-male-sexuality/comment-page-3/#comment-150573 |
I think that may literally be the first sighting of AVFM propaganda in the wild. | 2012-05-02T02:16:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/05/01/off-topic-roxanne-shante-meet-azealia-banks/comment-page-1/#comment-150571 |
Abnoy, huh? When have I ever said that "ruins in parts of the world with “Non-white” civilizations = RANDOM NATURAL COINCIDENCE." (Answer: Never.) I was referring only to these particular "ruins" that don't match up with any ancient civilization in the area that anyone knows about, and which are a lot more likely to be natural rock formations. There are lots of natural rock formations that look manmade. Like this one, in a part of the world historically populated with white people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway http://nonoinguatemala.blogspot.com/2010/04/giants-causeway-spectacular-rock.html I don't know why I bother to respond, since you're a troll with a fake IP. |
2012-05-01T20:36:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/27/civilization-and-its-discontented-ladies/comment-page-5/#comment-150527 |
Oh, Pod People! Such a strange, bad movie. Here's the best bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV8xEFWC45k&feature=related And the MST3K version of the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3CDX3Q5UxY |
2012-05-01T02:54:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/26/tommy-wiseaus-the-room-an-unintentional-mra-classic/comment-page-2/#comment-150422 |
But I love limericks. They are the highest form of poetry! I'll even start one for him: There once was a man who was angry So much that he gave himself gangrene |
2012-04-30T21:47:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/29/strange-discovery-of-the-day-mens-rights-bronies/comment-page-3/#comment-150392 |
All right MysteryManWhoIsAngry, you're banned. Unless you can prove to me you're actually 42 years old, and if you post using your real IP. Or perhaps if you write all your future comments in limerick form. |
2012-04-30T21:39:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/29/strange-discovery-of-the-day-mens-rights-bronies/comment-page-3/#comment-150390 |
I'm getting kind of bored with this new troll with the fake IP who very well could be MRAL. Should I boot him? Or just moderate him, and only let through the comments that try to explain the real world with references to Avatar: The Last Airbender? | 2012-04-30T21:15:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/29/strange-discovery-of-the-day-mens-rights-bronies/comment-page-3/#comment-150379 |
Felix, my impression is that the discussion there had mostly moved to the blog, that only a few people that Price mostly didn't like were using it, and it was being overrun with spam. | 2012-04-30T16:09:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/30/spearheader-the-existence-of-fat-women-constitutes-nothing-less-than-a-full-scale-loathing-of-male-sexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-150269 |
Someone on Reddit pointed me to this: http://mynationalistpony.tumblr.com/ Yes, it's the blog of a gay white nationalist brony. |
2012-04-30T15:26:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/29/strange-discovery-of-the-day-mens-rights-bronies/comment-page-2/#comment-150250 |
The Spearhead gals call themselves "shieldmaidens." (Seriously.) Price took down the Spearhead forum, otherwise I'd recommend everyone go read their special Spearhead subforum (filled with guys hating on them for being ladies). Instead, you may enjoy this post about them: http://manboobz.com/2011/04/18/the-ladies-auxiliary-of-the-ladyhaters-club/ |
2012-04-30T15:18:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/30/spearheader-the-existence-of-fat-women-constitutes-nothing-less-than-a-full-scale-loathing-of-male-sexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-150248 |
Hey Cloudiah, the "university of man" dudes noticed your comment about them here: http://universityofman.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/professor-ashur-is-a-fantastic-jackass/ |
2012-04-30T13:57:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/28/puas-invade-okcupid/comment-page-3/#comment-150212 |
Those underwater "ruins" off the coast of Japan are just rocks that happen to have broken off in an angular way, as rocks sometimes do. | 2012-04-30T03:35:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/27/civilization-and-its-discontented-ladies/comment-page-5/#comment-150153 |
I just let through a comment from TheMenAreAngry. TheMenAreAngry, do you really live in (and post to the internet from) a forest in Yorkshire, England? Or are you perhaps a TROOOOOOOLLLL? |
2012-04-29T23:29:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/29/strange-discovery-of-the-day-mens-rights-bronies/comment-page-1/#comment-150033 |
Ha! It IS Pell/Jane. Posting using a similar IP address that points more or less to the same location. Not Greenwich, BTW. And using "golliwog" instead of "polliwog." No wonder the meltdown was so quick. In any case: Banned! Of course, I just approved a new commenter who's an obvious troll with a seemingly fake IP in the Brony thread, so we'll have to see how that goes. |
2012-04-29T23:23:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/27/civilization-and-its-discontented-ladies/comment-page-5/#comment-150031 |
What if I post fake spoilers? That way you won't know which spoilers are real. So, in the finale, Fluttershy finally confronts Dr. Gordana about his treachery, only to have, um, DandilionPants bust into the room with an army of ninjas. Then, um, CrawdaddyJoe elopes with Shining Armor. They honeymoon in Cabo, and both get badly sunburned. |
2012-04-29T21:56:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/29/strange-discovery-of-the-day-mens-rights-bronies/comment-page-1/#comment-149999 |
Eurotrash is going on moderation (but not the ban list), in part for sounding a lot like MRAL, but mostly because his clearly fake IP address seemingly points to a random location in the Atlantic ocean a bit south of Ghana. Which seems a little unlikely. | 2012-04-28T23:53:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/23/new-reddit-theory-underage-girls-develop-early-in-order-to-send-guys-to-prison/comment-page-10/#comment-149723 |
I'll let Terrence's comments through so long as he's entertaining. | 2012-04-28T23:40:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/28/puas-invade-okcupid/comment-page-1/#comment-149718 |
Aw, man, I was hoping that Terrence would explain why his IP address pointed to the side of a mountain in Switzerland. | 2012-04-28T23:39:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/28/puas-invade-okcupid/comment-page-1/#comment-149717 |
Also, Cassandra, you're probably right that these guys are just natural douchebags rather than PUA-trained douchebags. | 2012-04-28T22:30:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/28/puas-invade-okcupid/comment-page-1/#comment-149661 |
Terrence, you got stuck in moderation again b/c you posted your second post from a different fake email address. That's pretty BETA. But I went ahead and put you on permanant moderation for being a TROOOOOOLLLL! I might take you off if you explain to me precisely where you are posting from, and why. You can email me the answer if you want. |
2012-04-28T22:28:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/28/puas-invade-okcupid/comment-page-1/#comment-149656 |
Jimmy, oh, I get it, you are slyly insinuiating that I too am a virgin! Outstanding! I'm pretty sure lots of guys go through a phase of unhappy virginity, as I did in high school, without turning into hateful misogynistic assholes. Nothing shameful about virginity; it's the hateful misogynistic asshole part I don't like. |
2012-04-28T22:16:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/27/civilization-and-its-discontented-ladies/comment-page-2/#comment-149643 |
After posting this post I decided I needed to post something else that was less depressing. ta da! http://manboobz.com/2012/04/28/puas-invade-okcupid/ |
2012-04-28T21:50:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/28/reddit-rewarding-the-reprehensible-again/comment-page-1/#comment-149627 |
Somehow most unhappy male virgins manage to live their lives without launching crusades against all the world's women. | 2012-04-28T21:21:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/27/civilization-and-its-discontented-ladies/comment-page-2/#comment-149620 |
Also, scroll up for some comments just freed from moderation. | 2012-04-28T17:39:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/27/civilization-and-its-discontented-ladies/comment-page-2/#comment-149606 |
Fixing italics is my superpower. | 2012-04-28T17:24:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/27/civilization-and-its-discontented-ladies/comment-page-1/#comment-149602 |
Oh hi darth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW_xdftOspA&feature=related |
2012-04-26T23:33:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/26/tommy-wiseaus-the-room-an-unintentional-mra-classic/comment-page-1/#comment-149307 |
Man, I read that whole quote in his voice.
As for his accent, here's what Wikipedia says:
Despite his vaguely eastern European accent, Wiseau identifies as American.[4] He grew up in New Orleans[5] and lived in France "a long time ago",[6] moving back and forth between the United States and Europe throughout his life, and at some point moved to San Francisco, where he was employed at a hospitalSo maybe it is a sort of French accent that he's just taken in a new direction. |
2012-04-26T23:07:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/26/tommy-wiseaus-the-room-an-unintentional-mra-classic/comment-page-1/#comment-149300 |
Bee, here's the scene with the pug. Tommy Wiseau is the most efficient flower shopper in the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S9Ew3TIeVQ |
2012-04-26T21:38:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/26/tommy-wiseaus-the-room-an-unintentional-mra-classic/comment-page-1/#comment-149280 |
"the slumber of the sleepers" sounds pretty Lovecrafty. So I guess PUAs are the Old Ones? | 2012-04-25T23:40:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/25/get-in-mah-belly-heartiste/comment-page-2/#comment-149017 |
pecunium, do you have a link for that? | 2012-04-25T21:09:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/25/batman-and-cats-man/comment-page-1/#comment-148941 |
Also, FWIW, MSN is posting from an IP address on the other side of the country from MRAL. (And not from any weird "forest in Germany" IPs.) | 2012-04-24T16:34:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/23/new-reddit-theory-underage-girls-develop-early-in-order-to-send-guys-to-prison/comment-page-4/#comment-148549 |
Kavette --
I thought the video was charming. But I was appalled by the number of creepy comments in the Reddit thread, and the 60+ upvotes that the comment I quoted got. The girl was only 12, at her oldest in the video. I would really hope that any discussion of the video by adults would contain ZERO pervy/pedo remarks and jokes. I don't think I misrepresented the discussion.
--
If there are any MGTOWers here pondering the "what island should we go to," I would highly recommend this book.
http://www.amazon.com/Uninhabited-Ocean-Islands-Fisher-John/dp/1893626180/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1335301829&sr=8-15
Oh, these islands won't necessarily be pleasant to live on. As the author says:
"many empty islands are uninhabited for one of three good reasons: they are barren sandy or rocky places where there is little vegetation; or they are active volcanoes; or they are tiny atolls with very little land area above sea level."Also, many of them are close to Antarctica, and very windy. Or have only "brackish water" to drink. And their guano deposits have in many cases long ago been worked out, so no guano left over for you guys! I have my own copy of the book. As someone who used to fantasize about having my own island country (when I was 12), it's a useful reminder of the benefits of civilization, Anyway, these islands may suck, but they absolutely will be free of ladies. |
2012-04-24T16:23:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/23/new-reddit-theory-underage-girls-develop-early-in-order-to-send-guys-to-prison/comment-page-4/#comment-148547 |
Just i case anyone is wondering, I have no idea which of the burros in the picture is male and which is female. | 2012-04-24T15:26:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/24/burro-misandry/comment-page-1/#comment-148536 |
I just let a few comments out of moderation, including a long interesting one from a new commenter called ronalon42; it's up near the top of the page now. | 2012-04-24T12:45:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/23/new-reddit-theory-underage-girls-develop-early-in-order-to-send-guys-to-prison/comment-page-3/#comment-148490 |
smoker, why do you consider sorry_WHAT a SRSer? I looked through the past nine days of sorry_WHAT's posting history and there's not a single posting to any SRS subreddit; most of the comments are in 2XC. | 2012-04-23T17:06:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/23/new-reddit-theory-underage-girls-develop-early-in-order-to-send-guys-to-prison/comment-page-2/#comment-148345 |
Lots of comments freed from moderation; scroll up, etc. | 2012-04-23T15:19:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/23/new-reddit-theory-underage-girls-develop-early-in-order-to-send-guys-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-148308 |
a new clump of buttman comments have just been released form moderation | 2012-04-23T02:37:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/22/a-little-gender-experiment-confirms-that-reddit-is-full-of-douchebags/comment-page-2/#comment-148105 |
Buttman, even if you don't consider her age, which she disclosed after her OP, there are a bunch of r/menrightsers who invaded the thread and justified what was obviously rape. Troll or no troll, r/mensrightsers could always, you know, choose NOT to invade threads in other subreddits in order to justify rape. |
2012-04-23T01:54:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/22/a-little-gender-experiment-confirms-that-reddit-is-full-of-douchebags/comment-page-1/#comment-148076 |
Looking at that thread on REddit with the 14 year old rape victim, I see that it was linked to by r/mr, and that some of the worst comments are coming from r/mr regulars. | 2012-04-23T01:40:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/22/a-little-gender-experiment-confirms-that-reddit-is-full-of-douchebags/comment-page-1/#comment-148071 |
Buttman and Chuckeedee (and Antz too, come to think of it), thank you for providing insight as to what the world looks like in Imaginary Backwards Land. | 2012-04-23T00:36:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/22/a-little-gender-experiment-confirms-that-reddit-is-full-of-douchebags/comment-page-1/#comment-148051 |
Looking through DavidByron's comment history I see that along with being an MRA he's also ... a Stalinist, who is basically the equivalant of a holocaust denier when it comes to Stalin's genocidal mass murders. | 2012-04-22T19:26:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/22/a-little-gender-experiment-confirms-that-reddit-is-full-of-douchebags/comment-page-1/#comment-147921 |
And frankly, it sounds like something an MRA who was pretending to be a feminist would say: “I think as feminists we can all agree that men are responsible for all the genocide!”But she didn't say that. She said that men on average tend to be more violent than women on average. That's true, at least when it comes to violence against other people. Men commit many times as many violent crimes than women; they murder people far more often. This isn't to say that women can't be violent. Obviously they can. But women are more likely to channel their aggressiveness in less physically violent ways. Women are more likely to stalk their exes than men; men are more likely to assault or murder their exes. I don't think this is all baked into our genes, and obviously there are enormous differences within each group -- women who are extremely violent, men who wouldn't hurt a fly. |
2012-04-22T17:24:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/21/calling-women-names-human-rights-advocacy-a-visit-to-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-3/#comment-147861 |
I’m not saying women aren’t aggressive, but men more than women express their aggression with violence.I'm pretty sure this is true. I don't think it's gender essentialism. Ruby's not saying it's all in the genes. |
2012-04-22T16:34:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/21/calling-women-names-human-rights-advocacy-a-visit-to-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-3/#comment-147846 |
Also, the pic of Segei Brin in drag is not helping. | 2012-04-22T03:21:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/21/calling-women-names-human-rights-advocacy-a-visit-to-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-2/#comment-147759 |
Boggi, just acknowledge what you did and don't act all pissy that people figured it out. I sort of let it pass for awhile because you were behaving better as Maya, but now it's the same old shit. I'm putting you on moderation. | 2012-04-22T03:20:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/21/calling-women-names-human-rights-advocacy-a-visit-to-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-2/#comment-147757 |
Sex and the City would have been so much better if they had cast Patrick Warburton as Mr. Big. | 2012-04-21T23:00:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/21/calling-women-names-human-rights-advocacy-a-visit-to-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-2/#comment-147716 |
In the same thread as Jean Valjean's pro-misogyny rant, here's Phil in Utal (who wrote the OP for that thread on AVFM) on homophobia in the MRM:
Phil in Utah in reply to ZenCo. ... The reason that those from the left get so much hate from the MRM is the same reason that there is so much homophobia within the MRM: Because leftists and gay activists are quite often collaborators with feminists. But, as you yourself show, and as my existence proves, there are people within each group with the gall to stand up to feminism. If such people have any sense, they will realize the real reason their groups are unpopular here, and will realize that the hate isn’t directed at them personally. Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1 |
2012-04-21T22:47:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/21/calling-women-names-human-rights-advocacy-a-visit-to-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-147712 |
Here are some thrones of peter (slightly NSFW): http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/37916/n582900401_3486568_9003.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/sherwintobing/1356336882/ This one is the best, but it's really NSFW: http://stateofgoon.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/chair-of-penis-copy.png |
2012-04-21T22:23:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/21/calling-women-names-human-rights-advocacy-a-visit-to-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-147704 |
Lauren, I too was amazed that they were able to get the eminent philosopher Cooter Bee to write for them. | 2012-04-21T21:12:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/21/calling-women-names-human-rights-advocacy-a-visit-to-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comment-147667 |
Toysoldier has once again turned his reality-distorting ray on the comments here: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/a-double-dose-of-stupid-v65/ |
2012-04-20T20:31:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-3/#comment-147498 |
My favorite Bjork video (and song): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5507DPKYk4 I don't actually listen to much Bjork, generally, but I really love the Volta album. |
2012-04-20T18:46:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/off-topic-bjork-now-a-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-147454 |
Hey Garvan, could you name a single feminist book you read, and explain why you liked it? | 2012-04-20T18:33:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/off-topic-bjork-now-a-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-147445 |
Crap. I've watched this like 4 or 5 times, and now I've got it stuck in my head. "It's just my 3-second RUUUU-ooh-ooh-ool!" |
2012-04-20T18:31:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/20/im-beginning-to-have-my-doubts-about-the-gynofascist-ladytopia/comment-page-1/#comment-147443 |
I don't want to cast any aspersions but I don't think the dudes in the video are very good dancers. Of course, if they were good, it might be sort of jarring in the context of, you know, her terrible singing, lyrics, etc. . |
2012-04-20T18:23:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/20/im-beginning-to-have-my-doubts-about-the-gynofascist-ladytopia/comment-page-1/#comment-147434 |
The video up in the post now should work. | 2012-04-20T18:20:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/20/im-beginning-to-have-my-doubts-about-the-gynofascist-ladytopia/comment-page-1/#comment-147432 |
I have to agree with what people have been saying here: Kiki, you're being an asshole here. It's pretty slimy to attack someone for not responding to being raped in the way you think they should have responded. | 2012-04-20T16:26:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-3/#comment-147394 |
You’re just as misogynistic as the MRAs you pull out of context quotes from.Chance that "Garvan" is an MRA troll: 99.99% Protip: if you want to sound like a real feminist, don't repeat the standard bullshit MRA complaint about Man Boobz when trolling here. Also, that bird clearly is Bjork. Have you ever seen it and Bjork in the same room together? |
2012-04-20T15:17:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/off-topic-bjork-now-a-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-147377 |
After I posted some comments about the CP in that thread of Mags' in r/mr, someone there made a post about it in r/mr. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/sja39/reddits_rvideos_users_get_sick_and_twisted/ |
2012-04-20T04:29:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-2/#comment-147270 |
I believe I may once have seen porn that involved a guy's testicles going into, and out of, an even smaller orifice. All I can really say to that is OW. | 2012-04-20T03:08:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-18/#comment-147266 |
Well, I went and left a comment there asking mags why she didn't post about the CP. | 2012-04-20T01:24:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-2/#comment-147256 |
Mags, why don't you just go post something in r/mr about the CP we're talking about here right now? It would take less time than it took you to dig up those links. | 2012-04-20T01:14:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-2/#comment-147252 |
In case anyone cares, ballgame has another piece up about The Titanic 'n' me: http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2012/04/19/more-on-the-%E2%80%98women-and-children-first%E2%80%99-era-noh/ |
2012-04-20T01:11:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/15/a-titanic-mistake-new-research-sinks-the-women-and-children-first-myth/comment-page-5/#comment-147245 |
Holly, I'm sure at this point there are at least a few r/mr regulars -- I imagine at a handful of them actually read SRS -- who are aware of this. But they haven't yet, and probably won't, post anything about it, because they hate SRS more than they hate CP and child abuse, even when a boy is the victim. | 2012-04-20T00:48:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-2/#comment-147221 |
I didn't watch it. There are comments that describe what's on it. | 2012-04-20T00:40:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-2/#comment-147212 |
Mags, you don't have to take anyone's word for it. Go to SRS; there's a link to the r/videos thread. It will take you less time than the amount of time you've spent complaining about us talking about it here. | 2012-04-20T00:26:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-2/#comment-147199 |
Mags, sorry you're too busy to care about the sexual abuse of a 6 year old boy. | 2012-04-20T00:24:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-2/#comment-147197 |
Magz, given the ignorant things many of SRS's critics say about it, I am fairly sure that most of them never actually visit it, and that they get most of their information second and third hand from other SRS-haters. Sort of the way most r/mr-ers get their info about Man boobz. | 2012-04-20T00:21:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-147193 |
Mags, I know you prefer posting without bothering to look at the facts, but the issue in this case is that the CP is on a big subreddit (r/videos), that it's got more than 900 upvotes, that people in the discussion are describing the 6 eyar old victim as a "lucky kid," and that the mods didn't take it down when they were informed about it. This doesn't trouble you in the slightest? Also, we're talking about child porn here. We're not talking about prostitution, or porn in general. |
2012-04-20T00:19:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-147192 |
Also, SRS isn't "half MB regulars and half SA." It's mostly disgruntled Redditors. I don';t think any of the regular commenters here are involved in SRS in any way. Nor am I, aside from being someone who reads it, sometimes comments, there, and sometimes posts stuff I find there on MB. I know there are some Something Awful people involved in SRS, but I think only a handful. At this point SRS has 15,000 subscribers, which means that in a matter of months it's gotten half as many subscribers r/mr has accumulated over 4 years. And, though it's only got half as many subscribers, it apparently gets more traffic than r/mr. In other words, there are a LOT of people on Reddit who are disgusted with a lot of what's on Reddit. And the SRSers are never at a loss for material. |
2012-04-20T00:12:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-147188 |
Mags, seriously, your response to the news that there is CP on Reddit featuring a 6 year old boy is that reddit is AWESOME and we're just jealous? | 2012-04-20T00:03:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-147183 |
They're amoral, yet they get rightously indignant whenever anyone challenges their "right" to do whatever the fuck they want -- lots of people on Reddit still see it as a great injustice that r/jailbait and other child porn friendly subreddits were shut down. | 2012-04-19T21:18:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-147151 |
There was one incident not long ago in which a female redditor posted a (completely innocent) pic of herself with a teacher of hers (I think they were both wearing the same t-shirt); some reddit asshole looked through her posting history and found that she had posted nudes to gone wild. A redditor (not sure if it was the same guy) then figured out her identity and sent the nudes to her teacher and maybe school admins. For no reason, just to completely fuck up the life of a young woman. | 2012-04-19T19:25:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-147121 |
indifferentsky, the "gone wild" subreddit is for redditors posting nude pics of themselves. They just borrowed the name from Girls Gone Wild. | 2012-04-19T19:21:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-147118 |
Clearly the sky god is angry. | 2012-04-19T19:18:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/15/a-titanic-mistake-new-research-sinks-the-women-and-children-first-myth/comment-page-5/#comment-147115 |
cloudiah, yeah, check out the top post in SRS at the moment; there's a video that's been up in r/videos for I think a full day at this point in which, apparently, a 6-year-old boy performs oral sex on a woman. Various people have reported it to the r/video mods, and the reddit admins, but they haven't taken it down yet. People in r/videos are talking about how "lucky" the boy is. | 2012-04-19T18:48:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-147100 |
Odds that the story never happened: 97% Does anyone actually post naked pictures of themselves to r/gonewild showing their faces? Did he recognize his friend's wife's by her tits? |
2012-04-19T18:16:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-147091 |
Oh, joy! | 2012-04-18T20:19:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/18/vaginamoney-is-the-root-of-all-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-146793 |
xardoz, I couldn't even get ignatius to ban the guy who was posting shit there as me. Virtually everything r/mr commenters say about me, about SRS, about feminists in general, is false. There's no real way to combat all the lies, and it's frustrating to even try. | 2012-04-18T20:15:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-4/#comment-146791 |
cloudiah, it's almost as if the guys on r/mr who like talking shit about me have never actually looked at the site. | 2012-04-18T20:03:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-4/#comment-146785 |
Looking at the thread, it's possible the giy who posted the link is a troll (redditor for 3 hours); the guy I end up arguing with isn't, though. | 2012-04-18T19:59:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-4/#comment-146782 |
r/mensrights responds to this post: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/sgqb6/david_fatrelle_freaks_out_over_rage_comic/ You may notice that many of the things said by commenters there are not actually true. |
2012-04-18T19:47:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-4/#comment-146776 |
Oh, and this link too: http://manboobz.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/ |
2012-04-18T19:36:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/15/a-titanic-mistake-new-research-sinks-the-women-and-children-first-myth/comment-page-3/#comment-146773 |
Ballgame, how about this: you go read some of the ridiculous things MRAs have said about the Titanic, which is the context in which my piece was written, and then come back and maybe we can talk. You can start with these links: http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/taking-it-to-the-streets/ http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/titanic-day-ll/ http://mensnewsdaily.com/2010/04/13/titanic-day/ http://mensnewsdaily.com/2010/04/15/titanic-sized-hatred-by-feminists-predates-second-wave/ http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/titanic-style-chivalry-my-body-my-choice/ http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/04/11/when-titanic-sank-99-years-ago-this-week-people-were-more-honest-about-gender-roles-than-they-are-today/ http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/01/18/lifeboat-feminism-in-practical-application/ http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/01/17/will-women-and-children-have-to-wait-in-line-now/ http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/01/02/lifeboat-feminism/ http://fathers4fairness.blogspot.com/2012/04/titanic-mangina.html http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3679 |
2012-04-18T19:34:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/15/a-titanic-mistake-new-research-sinks-the-women-and-children-first-myth/comment-page-3/#comment-146771 |
Jeez, ballgame. This is why I stopped reading Feminist Critics a long time ago. Dude, I am aware that men on the Titanic "died so that women might live." MY FUCKING GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS ONE OF THEM. But the fact is that most of those on the Titanic died BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH LIFEBOATS, AND THE EVACUATION WAS A FUCKING MESS, oh, and also because THE SHIP PLOWED AHEAD AT NIGHT IN CONDITIONS OF ALMOST ZERO VISIBILITY IN AN AREA OF THE NORTH ATLANTIC THAT SEVEN FUCKING OTHER SHIPS HAD WARNED WERE FULL OF ICEBERGS. The evacuation was so badly bungled that the lifeboat my great grandmother was in (and which she barely made it into, and which was the last non-collapsable one that left the ship) left the ship half empty. With 1500 people, male and female, still on the ship. And the lesson I'm supposed to draw from this is "women and children first" was the biggest problem here? How about HAVE ENOUGH FUCKING LIFEBOATS SO THAT EVERYONE CAN GET IN ONE. How about, when you hit an iceberg, start evacuating the ship right away. How about, don't send the ship plowing ahead in the dark where there are icebergs? Even if every seat in the lifeboats had been taken by a man, hundreds of men would have died. Yes, it was "women and children first" (mostly) on The Titanic. But "women and children first" isn't the general policy that many people incuding MRAs think it was or is. The idea that somehow this is a live issue today is beyond silly. It's the MRAs, not the feminists, who talk about it as if it were a live issue. It's the MRAs who talk about marching on washington about this. I was responding to their profound silliness. |
2012-04-18T18:17:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/15/a-titanic-mistake-new-research-sinks-the-women-and-children-first-myth/comment-page-3/#comment-146757 |
MRAL wrote to me. | 2012-04-18T17:50:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-4/#comment-146750 |
Just so you know: MRAL has written me and said that he is NOT Goku/Shade47. (He has acknowledged posting with a bunch of sockpuppets after being banned, but not them.) It's pretty clear that Goku = Shade47; both of them posted under multiple suspicious IPs, including some that literally pointed to the same supposed location in the middle of a forest in Germany. But I have no proof that Goku/Shade47 is MRAL. Obviously, you all can draw your own conclusions. |
2012-04-18T17:12:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-3/#comment-146739 |
Omskivar, I hadn't realized it was showing up full sized. I made it into a link. | 2012-04-18T01:51:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-2/#comment-146585 |
Huh. Jesse James here is the guy we once knew as Roscoe Coltrane. Is he MRAL? I'm guessing yes. Let's see what happens, I'll ban if necessary. | 2012-04-17T23:25:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/16/the-hatred-of-women-a-new-incredibly-terrible-anthem-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-8/#comment-146568 |
magpie, wat? | 2012-04-17T20:07:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-2/#comment-146524 |
kirby, I'm sure it must be something like that. On the prison rape thing, the studies I've seen suggest that the # of prison rapes (of men and women, but something like 90% men), while considerable, are still quite a bit less than rapes of women outside prison. I think the MRAs are mixing and matching studies to get the result they want. The 65% thing might refer to sexual misconduct (not necessarily rapes) committed by prison guards; a lot of those involve female prison guards. It's absolutely not the case that most prison rapes are committed by women; that's absurd. |
2012-04-17T20:07:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-2/#comment-146523 |
Sneaky sneaky! "Shade47" seems to be posting from the same German forest that Goku/MRAL was posting from! (though using a different IP) So either Shade47 and MRAL are sitting around a campfire in Germany (presumably trying to figure out Lady Gaga's German gibberish), or .... Banned, again. So now the question is whether MRAL decided to borrow the name of someone I wrote about here, or whether he;s been diligently trolling MGTOWforums for more than a year. I'm guessing the first, because the real Shade47 has posted 700+ comments there and seems to be well-liked by the regulars. |
2012-04-17T19:44:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-2/#comment-146514 |
Unless there are two Shade47s on the internet, our new friend here is the guy who thinks lesbians aren't real: http://manboobz.com/2011/10/21/men-going-their-own-way-baffled-by-lesbians-refuse-to-believe-they-exist/ |
2012-04-17T18:46:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/the-worst-nice-guy-rage-comic-in-the-history-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-146464 |
FWIW, B___n was and Blast is posting from different, non-changing IPs apparently located a thousand miles from one another. | 2012-04-17T17:23:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/16/the-hatred-of-women-a-new-incredibly-terrible-anthem-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-7/#comment-146389 |
Antz, the point was that faster access to phony facts won't make these "facts" true. | 2012-04-17T15:23:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/17/mens-rights-theres-an-app-for-that/comment-page-1/#comment-146267 |
cloudiah does xtranormal! whoo! | 2012-04-17T05:14:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/16/the-hatred-of-women-a-new-incredibly-terrible-anthem-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-5/#comment-146101 |
Well, I will say one thing for Goku. He's quick! So far, according to his IP addresses, he's managed to post from Pittsford, NY; Scottsdale, AZ; Saratov, in the Russian Federation; and from the middle of a forest near Gemunden, Germany. All tonight! Or maybe there's something fishy going on ... |
2012-04-16T23:42:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/16/the-hatred-of-women-a-new-incredibly-terrible-anthem-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-5/#comment-146075 |
I have a hard time finding anything on NOW’s website which might suggest life isn’t completely horrible for women.Then it should be really easy for you to find a link for us. So do it. |
2012-04-16T21:37:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/16/the-hatred-of-women-a-new-incredibly-terrible-anthem-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-3/#comment-145960 |
Blaster, [citation needed] for basically everything you're asserting. | 2012-04-16T21:35:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/16/the-hatred-of-women-a-new-incredibly-terrible-anthem-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-3/#comment-145956 |
There seems to be a lot of dialogue on how men and women don’t co-exist very well.Uh, yeah, among the MRAs and MGTOWers, sure. Try to find a single post on this blog, or comment from any feminist who comments here, suggesting that men and women can't get along. |
2012-04-16T21:28:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/16/the-hatred-of-women-a-new-incredibly-terrible-anthem-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-3/#comment-145947 |
Kyrie, you mentioned R__ P____, I've got his name in the filter! | 2012-04-16T20:42:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/16/the-hatred-of-women-a-new-incredibly-terrible-anthem-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-3/#comment-145914 |
Greg, I think we need to use the "reasonable person" legal standard here. Any "reasonable person" would see "the hatred of women" as a godawful piece of crap. If you like it, there must be something horribly wrong with you. |
2012-04-16T17:50:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/16/the-hatred-of-women-a-new-incredibly-terrible-anthem-for-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-145839 |
I've written a brilliant couplet in response to Casper: Hey, MRA, I think you're poopy And no one will ever call you "shmoopy." |
2012-04-16T14:39:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/14/a-voice-for-men-takes-the-last-gravy-train-to-clicheville/comment-page-4/#comment-145769 |
Casper the Unfriendly MRA has written a little poem too, which I just let out of moderation; scroll up a bit to see it. | 2012-04-16T12:45:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/14/a-voice-for-men-takes-the-last-gravy-train-to-clicheville/comment-page-4/#comment-145743 |
These are indeed some dope rhymes. | 2012-04-15T23:48:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/14/a-voice-for-men-takes-the-last-gravy-train-to-clicheville/comment-page-4/#comment-145669 |
Diane, Anthony Zarat isn't his real name; it's his "war name," the war being the war against evil feminists. Not sure why he listed a high school on the facebook page he set up for his fake name, but then again I don't really understand a lot of things he does. For sticklers who want the source for this, he made a comment referring to his "war name" in the comments to this AVFM post: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/a-father-burns-himself-to-death/ |
2012-04-15T22:28:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/15/a-titanic-mistake-new-research-sinks-the-women-and-children-first-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-145645 |
Plagiarism is a Men's Right! | 2012-04-15T17:08:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/14/a-voice-for-men-takes-the-last-gravy-train-to-clicheville/comment-page-3/#comment-145568 |
I have added that "not" in the appropriate place. Oops. | 2012-04-15T15:07:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/15/a-titanic-mistake-new-research-sinks-the-women-and-children-first-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-145524 |
Be afraid. Be very afraid.... and Mags climbs aboard the cliche bandwagon! Oh, fuck. What I just said was a cliche too. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo..... |
2012-04-15T01:27:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/14/a-voice-for-men-takes-the-last-gravy-train-to-clicheville/comment-page-2/#comment-145448 |
pujeemuhs, no, there's no video. I'll do a post or two covering what I said in the talk at some point. A lot of it was based on posts here on MB. | 2012-04-14T13:55:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/13/off-topic-one-cat-roomba-three-girl-rhumba/comment-page-1/#comment-145368 |
Yes, someone has set a house of cards on fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZNXPSMNioA |
2012-04-14T12:33:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/14/a-voice-for-men-takes-the-last-gravy-train-to-clicheville/comment-page-1/#comment-145346 |
And, yes, he was talking about setting a house of cards on fire rather than just, you know, knocking it over. Now I wonder if anyone has set a house of cards on fire. Off to youtube .... |
2012-04-14T12:28:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/14/a-voice-for-men-takes-the-last-gravy-train-to-clicheville/comment-page-1/#comment-145345 |
Just to clarify, the first two red quotes really are from his post; only the last one is me. | 2012-04-14T12:27:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/14/a-voice-for-men-takes-the-last-gravy-train-to-clicheville/comment-page-1/#comment-145344 |
Weird that they took the post down. I wonder if there was something scandalous in it that I missed. I really didn't read it very carefully becuase, well, life is short and Paul Elam posts are long. And they're all pretty much interchangable at this point. But it did exist! The quotes are real! https://www.google.com/search?q=times+they+are+a+changing.+The+worm+is+turning+and+lies+are+burning.+Their+whole+house+of+cards+is+about+to+go+up+in+a+puff.+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a As for the "I hate Dr. Tara," he was being sarcastic; he was defending himself against charges of misogyny by pointing out that there are several women he likes and that like him back. |
2012-04-14T12:25:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/14/a-voice-for-men-takes-the-last-gravy-train-to-clicheville/comment-page-1/#comment-145343 |
Thanks so much for the support. I miss that cranky little cat. | 2012-04-13T07:56:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/12/rip-bobo-the-cat/comment-page-2/#comment-144988 |
Scroll up, everyone, to see Meller's second comment which I just let through. The one about sterilizing "sluts and tramps." | 2012-04-12T13:43:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/10/mens-rights-redditors-find-ebonics-hilarious/comment-page-3/#comment-144849 |
Thanks, everyone. It means a lot. Donsie, thanks for the donation to the cat rescue. That’s very sweet. Shigekuni, I hope your cat lives for a long time yet! Femac, so sorry you poor dog had to go through all that, so glad he found a home with you. And sorry about your other dog. Peacemouse, thanks, and so sorry you lost your kitty. It’s rough. Briget, thanks, and yes. My best friend came over last night after it happened, and will be back again tonight. I appreciate all your comments so much! |
2012-04-12T12:46:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/12/rip-bobo-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-144810 |
Thanks! I keep expecting her to come trotting into the room. I've never lived in this apartment sans Bo. |
2012-04-12T06:20:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/12/rip-bobo-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-144722 |
Hey, did anyone listen to the Haddaway? I just put that on while I was working on the post, and later discovered I had been listening to it for 43 minutes. When that song was first used in the SNL skits I thought it was hilarious that they'd picked such a completely generic medicore song. But it's sort of grown on me. I mean, it's terrible, but ... so catchy. |
2012-04-11T22:01:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/11/all-you-need-is-love-also-misogyny-and-a-side-order-of-homophobia/comment-page-3/#comment-144675 |
It's Old Troll Week, apparently. Quackers, I don't know why I engaged with Sigil1, or anyone else, on r/mr. Especially since Sigil1 is actually .... the long-banned-from-MB-troll Eoghan. Yep. r/mr is his home now. And he hasn't changed a bit. Not sure if Brandon on Feministe is OUR Brandon, but he could well be. But Sauron is def. MRAL. Man Boobz has become a net exporter of banned trolls. |
2012-04-11T21:56:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/11/all-you-need-is-love-also-misogyny-and-a-side-order-of-homophobia/comment-page-3/#comment-144672 |
I can do a great Cockney accent, but only for the phrases "allo Guv'nor" and "wot's all this then?" Ok, it's probably an incredibly terrible Cockney accent. I can also do a sort of Midwestern version of Mark E. Smith's Mancunian speaking/singing/shouting voice. But mostly that consists of me saying "uh" at the end-uh of almost-uh every other word-uh. And that's not really an accent, just him. |
2012-04-11T17:50:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/10/mens-rights-redditors-find-ebonics-hilarious/comment-page-2/#comment-144614 |
Not that long ago I met a woman who had a Canadian accent, at least the "oot" bit, but she'd never lived in Canada or even (if I remember correctly) all that near to Canada. She wasn't sure where she got it from. | 2012-04-11T16:18:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/10/mens-rights-redditors-find-ebonics-hilarious/comment-page-2/#comment-144573 |
"Melk." I remember talking about this with my sister years ago, not long after the family moved to Mass. from Illinois. But I can't remember who was supposed to be saying "melk," midwesterners or Eastern Mass-ers. Not sure I've heard "melk" in the wild, though I probably have. |
2012-04-11T16:16:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/10/mens-rights-redditors-find-ebonics-hilarious/comment-page-2/#comment-144572 |
I prefer my organ happy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i3rVDoiJzo |
2012-04-10T21:33:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/10/gamer-asshole-sexual-harassment-is-part-of-the-culture-if-you-remove-that-from-the-fighting-game-community-its-not-the-fighting-game-community/comment-page-2/#comment-144299 |
OMG, I've been put in my place by an eminent game designer! Mags, do you ever challenge your MRA buds when they start going on about "shaming tactics" and "creep shaming?" |
2012-04-10T21:02:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/10/gamer-asshole-sexual-harassment-is-part-of-the-culture-if-you-remove-that-from-the-fighting-game-community-its-not-the-fighting-game-community/comment-page-1/#comment-144266 |
Stephanie, even better is that I fixed two typos in that phrase that were in the original comment. | 2012-04-10T19:09:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/10/mens-rights-redditors-find-ebonics-hilarious/comment-page-1/#comment-144203 |
Does anyone else agree that we realize when he’s being sarcastic, and no one who follows this blog would really be sensitive enough to think otherwise?The regulars here are well aware when I'm being sarcastic. But there are a lot of MRAs who seem to be (or pretend to be) EXTREMELY literal. And others who would love to take my remarks out of context. That tag -- like the blinking sarcasm gif I sometimes use -- is for them. |
2012-04-10T18:50:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/10/mens-rights-redditors-find-ebonics-hilarious/comment-page-1/#comment-144185 |
Lauralot, so sorry you were the target of that asshole. I wish I'd seen his comments earlier, I would have banned him immediately. (I can delete them as well, but as they've already been responded to I thought I might as well keep them up.) | 2012-04-10T17:38:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/09/a-quick-preview-of-my-northwestern-talk-tonight-on-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-3/#comment-144150 |
Bonvoyage is banned. Fucking asshole. | 2012-04-10T17:22:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/09/a-quick-preview-of-my-northwestern-talk-tonight-on-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-3/#comment-144139 |
I can believe that someone here referred to his children or his custody situation, but “suggested getting involved”? No.He's hallucinating, or just making shit up. |
2012-04-10T02:13:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/09/a-quick-preview-of-my-northwestern-talk-tonight-on-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-2/#comment-144012 |
So I'm back! The talk went pretty well, I thought. Maybe 75 people there? (That's a guess.) No MRAs, as far as I could tell. (I opened it up to questions and discussions at the end, and no MRAs spoke up, in any case.) The organizers did in fact distribute condoms and lube. BlackHumor, ha! I do remember you. We had a little Reddit bonding moment there, you and me and that women (who turned out to be an SRSer). Most of what I talked about was taken from old posts here. I will try to organize my notes into a post (or more likely, a couple of posts). Basically, I talked about the notion of women as sexual gatekeepers, the whole nice guy/bad boy thing, and of course the ALPHA ASSHOLE COCK CAROUSEL!! Oh, at one point I fell through the floor, which collapsed underneath my immense weight. |
2012-04-10T00:18:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/09/a-quick-preview-of-my-northwestern-talk-tonight-on-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-1/#comment-143984 |
And now r/menrights gets in on the fun! http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/s13x4/antimra_david_futrelle_to_teach_coeds_how_to_have/ Apparently they are very concerned about my weight. |
2012-04-09T16:25:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/09/a-quick-preview-of-my-northwestern-talk-tonight-on-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-1/#comment-143931 |
Yeah, that Spearhead post is kind of amazing, even for The Spearhead. I may mention it in the talk itself. | 2012-04-09T13:38:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-11/#comment-143898 |
@David I hope this has all been very helpful for you in preparing your Northwestern talkIt has, actually. I got a quote from Arks to use. And some good ideas. I have more than enough material; I'm only going to be able to cover a couple of myths. As for Pell/Jane and the limericks, well all that has been very ... interesting. I still can't tell if Pell/Jane is MRAL or someone else. I've put Jane on moderation too, for sockpuppetry. But I'll let his or her comments thru so long as they're not creepy. |
2012-04-09T03:52:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-11/#comment-143849 |
Uh, no, NWO. Penis in vagina is sex. But not all sex involves penis in vagina. | 2012-04-08T19:16:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-8/#comment-143622 |
So many myths! Viscaria, I think I will talk about the whole "penis=sex" thing. scarlettpipistrelle, thanks for the heads up! I did a post on it. |
2012-04-08T17:56:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-8/#comment-143604 |
But Montgomery Clift is free to post here any time he wants. | 2012-04-08T03:49:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-8/#comment-143497 |
Pell smells like some returning troll, but the IP is new. He's going on moderation for creepiness and suspicion of sockpuppetry. |
2012-04-08T03:47:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-7/#comment-143494 |
WHAT IS HAPPENING | 2012-04-08T03:18:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-7/#comment-143452 |
Jeffret, I will mix the outlandish with myths that are common. Though most of the outlandish myths are ust the commonplace myths taken to an extreme. | 2012-04-08T01:33:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-5/#comment-143283 |
I think I figured out the twist in "The Village" by the time I finished reading the title. | 2012-04-07T22:36:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-3/#comment-143159 |
Cloudiah, how did you do that? | 2012-04-07T22:26:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-3/#comment-143153 |
I think NWO has just written part of my talk for me. Thanks, dude! | 2012-04-07T22:12:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-3/#comment-143147 |
Thanks, everyone! I will definitely be talking about a lot of these. Also, I don't know if there will be video of the talk. I will probably be recycling chunks of the talk for blog posts, though. NWO, you're on moderation for saying horrible personal shit about specific individuals. I pretty much let through all of your comments. Also, you have literally posted 2900 + comments here, moderated man. |
2012-04-07T15:04:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/07/im-giving-a-talk-at-northwestern-university-on-monday-topic-how-to-hate-women-and-have-terrible-sex/comment-page-1/#comment-143028 |
(That was for Mags.) | 2012-04-07T00:29:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/06/hey-girl-i-wish-you-were-a-greasy-smear-on-the-road-the-mens-rights-subreddit-hates-on-the-lady-rescued-by-ryan-gosling/comment-page-3/#comment-142840 |
Yeah, and it didn;t really make any sense. I should have said the MRM *was* bottoms up mainly because most of those in it have their heads up their asses. As for feminism not being "bottoms up," how do you think Marcotte and Valenti etc got where they are? They weren't imposed on the world by Big Feminism and showered with money. They wrote blogs, wrote articles, got the attention of literary agents, sent book proposals in to publishers, wrote books that people bought, etc etc. Nothing stopping, say, Paul Elam from making it big as a writer, aside from the fact that he's a terrible, bombastic writer whose prose is full of cliches, and that he's never had an interesting or original idea in his life. Also, he's kind of a dick, to put it mildly, and I can't imagine any editor or agent or publisher who would ever want to work with him. Hell, is there even one MRA who can write well enough to sell a book? I suppose there's always Warren Farrell, but I'm pretty sure his glory days have come and gone. Maybe Fidelbogen could write a bestseller. |
2012-04-07T00:28:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/06/hey-girl-i-wish-you-were-a-greasy-smear-on-the-road-the-mens-rights-subreddit-hates-on-the-lady-rescued-by-ryan-gosling/comment-page-3/#comment-142839 |
Mags, the MRM isn't "bottoms up" just because most of those in it have their heads up their asses. | 2012-04-07T00:09:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/06/hey-girl-i-wish-you-were-a-greasy-smear-on-the-road-the-mens-rights-subreddit-hates-on-the-lady-rescued-by-ryan-gosling/comment-page-2/#comment-142830 |
John, while the r/mensrights policy on child porn is really badly worded, it doesn't condone or allow child porn. I think this crusade of yours is misguided and misleading. There are a lot of things about r/mensrights that are far more worthy of critique. | 2012-04-06T22:52:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/faq/comment-page-1/#comment-142805 |
IR, what on earth are you babbling about? I'm not sure what you're hallucinating when you look at those Alexa pages, but traffic for manboobz has been steadily growing month over month. Also, the site gets kind of a lot of comments. I don't know if you've noticed. | 2012-04-06T22:49:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/faq/comment-page-1/#comment-142804 |
MRAs, getting angry about stuff they make up about other people since, well, whenever MRAs became a thing. | 2012-04-06T19:27:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/05/guess-who-got-trolled-on-april-fools-day-hint-it-rhymes-with-glens-brights-pubreddit/comment-page-3/#comment-142767 |
Oh, The always-reliable Spearhead. Only 8 comments there so far, but already a few that are hateful as fuck. I believe I see a post coming up. I'll wait until they poop out/upvote some more of that shit. | 2012-04-06T14:27:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/06/hey-girl-i-wish-you-were-a-greasy-smear-on-the-road-the-mens-rights-subreddit-hates-on-the-lady-rescued-by-ryan-gosling/comment-page-1/#comment-142683 |
talacaris, why cant' something be both a fringe movement and a backlash? Those terms aren't mutually exclusive. | 2012-04-06T13:50:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/05/guess-who-got-trolled-on-april-fools-day-hint-it-rhymes-with-glens-brights-pubreddit/comment-page-3/#comment-142666 |
digitalsextant, I forgot about that! I think I did briefly swoon over Kate Winslet's heroism. And then I forgot about it, because celebrities of either gender doing heroic things, while mildly interesting to the general public, are not really that big of a deal. |
2012-04-06T13:02:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/06/hey-girl-i-wish-you-were-a-greasy-smear-on-the-road-the-mens-rights-subreddit-hates-on-the-lady-rescued-by-ryan-gosling/comment-page-1/#comment-142627 |
Tulgey, I just looked at that thread. Holy moley. Also, that National Review piece was totally disgraceful. | 2012-04-06T04:01:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/05/guess-who-got-trolled-on-april-fools-day-hint-it-rhymes-with-glens-brights-pubreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-142504 |
I know I should do a GWW post. But dammit I hate watching MRA (and fem-RA) videos more than almost anything. | 2012-04-05T15:27:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/04/yahoo-answers-gender-studies-zenith-of-civilization/comment-page-2/#comment-142287 |
Just added this to the post:
I sort of started arguing with the regulars in the comments there, and Glarfugus set me straight on the nature of my sins against the Men's Rights subreddit:
You quoted accurately, the problem lies where you quote perfectly sound posts and talk about them like they're ridiculous. You address punching a woman in the stomach as though it's something of high crime. I'm not saying it's something that's right, but punching someone in the stomach in a panicked situation where you have a risk of being fucked by the court system for the next 18 years? Reasonable action.I put my favorite part in bold. The stuff about punching women is pretty special too. -- Also, Antz, could you post a picture of what your nano-sperm-sound-based-sperm thing looks like? I realize you may not have the final design ready yet, but any of the sketches you have made would be fine. I am intrigued by your mastery of SCIENCE and would like to look at pictures. |
2012-04-05T14:55:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/05/mens-rights-redditors-indignant-that-world-notices-they-are-assholes/comment-page-2/#comment-142261 |
The possibly imaginary puncher and almost spermjackee has returned to r/mensrights to announce that he got arrested. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/rs601/update_my_girlfriend_tried_to_steal_a_used_condom/ |
2012-04-04T00:17:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/03/mens-rights-redditors-defend-a-guy-who-says-he-punched-his-sperm-stealing-girlfriend/comment-page-1/#comment-141536 |
A typo for "bitch," that is. | 2012-04-03T22:54:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/03/mens-rights-redditors-defend-a-guy-who-says-he-punched-his-sperm-stealing-girlfriend/comment-page-1/#comment-141527 |
PDA, I think that was just a typo for "butch." Alex, clearly she would have secretly spermed herself in the bathroom with the door locked, if this had been, you know, an actual true story. I like that this apparently didn't occur to most of those who read the story, who thought it sounded completely reasonable that she fled the bathroom with the condom, shouting "I'm finally going to get the baby I deserve!” I think we should all start trying to figure out how to work the phrase "I'm finally going to get the baby I deserve” into our conversations as often and as inappropriately as possible. Also, "You fucking bastard, how dare you punch me for what I’m entitled to! CALL MEEEE." |
2012-04-03T22:33:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/03/mens-rights-redditors-defend-a-guy-who-says-he-punched-his-sperm-stealing-girlfriend/comment-page-1/#comment-141521 |
Oh, I went back and added another detail from the story that is completely ridiculous. | 2012-04-03T20:13:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/03/mens-rights-redditors-defend-a-guy-who-says-he-punched-his-sperm-stealing-girlfriend/comment-page-1/#comment-141438 |
I think there's no doubt this person was blatantly trolling. It's hilarious they believe it. But not quite so hilarious that they defend the dude. | 2012-04-03T20:12:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/03/mens-rights-redditors-defend-a-guy-who-says-he-punched-his-sperm-stealing-girlfriend/comment-page-1/#comment-141437 |
Here are the posts I made about the love-shy forums, which explain why I find the site problematic. http://manboobz.com/2010/12/21/love-shyness-and-the-perpetual-resentment-machine/ http://manboobz.com/2010/12/26/campus-creep-out/ |
2012-04-03T14:31:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/01/lets-shame-some-virgins/comment-page-1/#comment-141335 |
Comedian Jen Kirkman is sending Aronsohn endless tweets about her periods. https://twitter.com/#!/JenKirkman |
2012-04-02T19:02:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/02/quote-of-the-day-were-approaching-peak-vagina-on-television-the-point-of-labia-saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-141155 |
Women pester you all day long for food, but then won't eat anything when you give it to them. And then they'll sit on the back of the couch and sulk. Also, they really, really, really hate taking pills. |
2012-04-02T17:39:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/01/taking-pussy-off-the-pedestal/comment-page-2/#comment-141137 |
You know, with all the vaginas on TV these days, they should stop calling it the "vast wasteland" and call it "the vast below-the-waist-land," amiritefellas? | 2012-04-02T17:33:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/02/quote-of-the-day-were-approaching-peak-vagina-on-television-the-point-of-labia-saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-141134 |
Cloudiah, that cat thing. Wow. I think that will have to be a post. | 2012-04-01T16:34:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/30/spearheader-warns-women-to-stop-being-so-feministy-or-else/comment-page-7/#comment-140864 |
I just let Nick's first post-flounce flounce post through moderation. Katz, your prediction was off by only 58 minutes! |
2012-04-01T16:28:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/30/spearheader-warns-women-to-stop-being-so-feministy-or-else/comment-page-7/#comment-140862 |
Note: go back to the previous comments page for an epic flounce from Nick that I just let through moderation. | 2012-04-01T15:40:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/30/spearheader-warns-women-to-stop-being-so-feministy-or-else/comment-page-7/#comment-140835 |
Nick, I don't know if (or how much of) your story is true. If your mother killed your father and herself, that's appalling. If you want to send me a link to a news story about it, go ahead; I'll keep if confidential. What I find harder to believe, frankly, is your claim that you couldn't get help because you were a white guy. I've known numerous people (male and female) who have suffered from mental illness, who have been traumatized by violence, and so on. No one got perfect medical/psychiatric help handed to them on a silver platter. Many of them were prescribed meds that didn't work for them, or that made things worse. (Meds don't work the same for everyone; there's almost always some trial and error when doctors prescribe things.) Some of them weren't taken seriously by their doctors. It can be difficult to get good mental health services in this country, especially if you don't have insurance. But there are options available for everyone, regardless of gender. You make a point that it was a "female psychiatrist" who prescribed a med that screwed you up. What difference does it make that she's a woman? Do you think she deliberately gave you the wrong med because she hated men? That she ignored the side effects because you're a man? That she's incompetent because she's a woman? You talk about MRA sites "that speak truthfully about the majority of women in western cultures." Do you think that the (alleged) failings of the women that you talk about in your comments somehow reflect "the majority of women in western cultures?" Because that leap of illogic is completely unbelievable. |
2012-04-01T15:36:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/30/spearheader-warns-women-to-stop-being-so-feministy-or-else/comment-page-7/#comment-140834 |
Quackers, oy. I knew it would only be a matter of time before MRAs started celebrating Rich's death. Indifferentsky, I'm not saving up for a GWW post. I know I should do one. It's just that I hate hate hate watching MRA youtube videos. Also, everyone, NWO left a little poop in this thread. Scroll up; it's on this page. It's the comment advocating violence. |
2012-03-31T13:04:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/30/spearheader-warns-women-to-stop-being-so-feministy-or-else/comment-page-3/#comment-140467 |
magz, so the manpocalypse is imminent? | 2012-03-31T01:30:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/30/spearheader-warns-women-to-stop-being-so-feministy-or-else/comment-page-3/#comment-140363 |
Shaenon, I believe there are actually six women in total: girlwriteswhat typhonblue Dr. Helen Dr. Tara That woman who posts on The Spearhead and gets downvoted into oblivion Magz |
2012-03-30T20:13:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/30/spearheader-warns-women-to-stop-being-so-feministy-or-else/comment-page-2/#comment-140302 |
Someone actually listening to your problems, even if they don’t say much, is usually far more helpful than someone who sees your problems as a chance to glibly offer “well, why don’t you just X.”Yes,yes, a million times yes. Sometimes I specifically instruct people to NOT GIVE ME ANY ADVICE when I complain about shit to them. And sometimes people have to give me those instructions as well, because it's hard for me not to jump in to give obvious advice they've heard before and that doesn't work. |
2012-03-30T08:58:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/29/the-misogyny-album/comment-page-1/#comment-140008 |
Quackers, better say you're being sarcastic, or some idiot will make a post about how all feminists are Solanas-loving man-haters. | 2012-03-29T21:33:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/29/the-misogyny-album/comment-page-1/#comment-139942 |
Shaenon, Antz wrote a long, delusional post for AVFM in which looked at a bunch of specific references to women in the bill, and concluded from this that Obamacare was going to be for women only. And the AVFMers applauded. They truly do live in their own separate reality. | 2012-03-28T19:32:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/28/fox-news-doctor-dude-the-hunger-games-will-make-teen-girls-violent-unfeminine/comment-page-3/#comment-139741 |
Yep, it was ho-etics. Ponies for everyone! | 2012-03-28T18:51:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/28/fox-news-doctor-dude-the-hunger-games-will-make-teen-girls-violent-unfeminine/comment-page-2/#comment-139727 |
I went back and added a terrible pun to the post. First person to find it wins a pony* -- * All ponies must be purchased and paid for by the winner, and not me. |
2012-03-28T18:37:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/28/fox-news-doctor-dude-the-hunger-games-will-make-teen-girls-violent-unfeminine/comment-page-2/#comment-139717 |
This may be why MRAs avoid all forms of activism that don't involve harassing individual people or whining on the internet -- because they have absolutely no idea how the government (or the world in general) actually works. | 2012-03-28T17:44:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/28/fox-news-doctor-dude-the-hunger-games-will-make-teen-girls-violent-unfeminine/comment-page-2/#comment-139692 |
Antz, dude, the Court hasnt' decided the case yet. They wrapped up public arguments on the case. Now they will go and think about it and discuss it themselves. They're expected to decide in June. Also, none of what they talked about had anything to do with the imaginary issues you raised. I'm not quite sure you're the constitutional expert you think you are. |
2012-03-28T17:34:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/28/fox-news-doctor-dude-the-hunger-games-will-make-teen-girls-violent-unfeminine/comment-page-2/#comment-139681 |
Wait, so someone hijacked a GMP thread to complain about my post on TyphonBlue? | 2012-03-28T15:48:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/28/fox-news-doctor-dude-the-hunger-games-will-make-teen-girls-violent-unfeminine/comment-page-1/#comment-139649 |
Oy, I need to be more careful approving new commenters. In my defense, his first comments were entirely unobjectionable. But his opinions are not really the issue here. MRAL, I banned you not because of your opinions but because of your behavior -- notably your repeated attacks on people here. When I banned you I said I might let you back after 4 months or so if you behaved and stayed away. You have not behaved. So no, you can't post here. |
2012-03-28T14:55:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/27/mens-rights-redditors-take-on-racism-by-which-they-mean-a-white-dude-admitting-that-white-dudes-arent-actually-oppressed/comment-page-3/#comment-139609 |
Yeah, that's obviously MRAL. Felix, RamZpaul has done posts on The Spearhead, but I haven't seen him around for awhile. One of my first posts here was about him suggesting that women shouldn;t hve been given the right to vote. I like how in that video he moves so quickly from Tom Ball to virulent racism. I also love his book collection. Top shelf, all Hardy Boys. Plus (on lower shelves) Shogun, and some cliff's notes. |
2012-03-27T22:54:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/27/mens-rights-redditors-take-on-racism-by-which-they-mean-a-white-dude-admitting-that-white-dudes-arent-actually-oppressed/comment-page-2/#comment-139443 |
And menofvoice, the alleged black MRA who posted the link on Reddit, has deleted his account. | 2012-03-27T15:13:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/27/mens-rights-redditors-take-on-racism-by-which-they-mean-a-white-dude-admitting-that-white-dudes-arent-actually-oppressed/comment-page-1/#comment-139346 |
And r/mensrights weighs in: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/rexen/feminist_cunt_licker_david_futrelle_is_at_it/ |
2012-03-26T18:17:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/26/typhonblue-monday-all-ending-violence-against-women-initiatives-assume-that-the-appropriate-targets-for-violence-are-men/comment-page-2/#comment-139205 |
Quackers, do you have a link for that comment? Also, Kavette, I'd rather we not speculate on anyone's "daddy issues," and instead focus on their "believing terrible things issues." |
2012-03-26T15:12:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/26/typhonblue-monday-all-ending-violence-against-women-initiatives-assume-that-the-appropriate-targets-for-violence-are-men/comment-page-1/#comment-139187 |
DKM said:
If a baby kitten is merely misbehaving by scratching or biting, she should be discouraged as quickly and as consistantly as possible, but certainly NOT killed, unless she is growing into a danger to family, other pets, and guests!Emphasis mine. Kittens should not be killed, even if they are very naughty kittens. They're KITTENS. My cat can be very badly behaved, and kind of a jerk to everyone but me, and she actually bit me (gently) while I was typing this sentence. But I'm pretty sure that no normal person would think that she should be killed for it. |
2012-03-23T15:26:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/mens-rights-activists-or-kitten-haters-you-decide/comment-page-3/#comment-138609 |
Jeez, DKM, even your opinions about kittens are creepy. | 2012-03-23T14:12:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/mens-rights-activists-or-kitten-haters-you-decide/comment-page-3/#comment-138580 |
Here's a link. It's bizarre: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/316172/20120319/fathers-4-justice-naked-protest-marks-spencer.htm |
2012-03-23T00:42:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/21/johntheother-i-totally-didnt-lie-about-rebecca-watson-take-two/comment-page-2/#comment-138437 |
A post with lots of links from Tom got caught in the moderation filter; it's up now, near the bottom of the previous page. | 2012-03-21T23:16:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-20/#comment-138111 |
The highest kind of freedom is freedom from Ron Paul. | 2012-03-21T20:32:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/20/highlights-of-tom-martins-recent-visit-to-man-boobz-keywords-london-school-of-economics-lawsuit-tossed-out-whore/comment-page-5/#comment-138014 |
Democracy has prevailed! R*n P*ul talk is now banned. Except maybe once in a while if someone has something really bad to say about the guy. Everyone persisting in RP talk will go on moderation. FREE SPEECH FOR ALL (except RP fanboys/girls) |
2012-03-21T19:30:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/20/highlights-of-tom-martins-recent-visit-to-man-boobz-keywords-london-school-of-economics-lawsuit-tossed-out-whore/comment-page-5/#comment-137938 |
Quick show of hands here, how many people here think I should a) ban all discussion of Ron Paul from the blog entirely or b) only allow it when people are pointing out what a racist dick he is? | 2012-03-21T19:14:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/20/highlights-of-tom-martins-recent-visit-to-man-boobz-keywords-london-school-of-economics-lawsuit-tossed-out-whore/comment-page-5/#comment-137921 |
When people say "sorry you were offended," that's a fauxpology. Since John "apologized" for calling Watson a sociopath, then immediately went and called her that again, I think it's fair to call what he did a "liepology." |
2012-03-21T12:42:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/21/johntheother-i-totally-didnt-lie-about-rebecca-watson-take-two/comment-page-1/#comment-137773 |
Stoner, because he's a boob? | 2012-03-20T23:51:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/20/highlights-of-tom-martins-recent-visit-to-man-boobz-keywords-london-school-of-economics-lawsuit-tossed-out-whore/comment-page-2/#comment-137553 |
Oh, the Maggie that does that blog Joe linked to is not our own dear Magz. | 2012-03-20T23:28:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/20/highlights-of-tom-martins-recent-visit-to-man-boobz-keywords-london-school-of-economics-lawsuit-tossed-out-whore/comment-page-2/#comment-137543 |
Joe said:
He confirmed it in an email? How? “Oh hi, I’m the real Tom Martin who is trolling you? 4realz.”Pretty much. He sent me an email from the email address he uses on his website and elsewhere, and thanked me for not censoring his comments here. Then he called me a chicken when I declined to fly to London to be in his documentary. |
2012-03-20T23:26:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/20/highlights-of-tom-martins-recent-visit-to-man-boobz-keywords-london-school-of-economics-lawsuit-tossed-out-whore/comment-page-2/#comment-137542 |
Oh, man I wish I could do that to all cats, or at least mine. I have learned in recent days how very, very much she does not like having medicine squirted into her mouth. |
2012-03-20T21:56:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-16/#comment-137463 |
BigMomma: Actually, this is the longest thread evah: http://manboobz.com/2011/11/27/women-oppress-men-by-playing-at-having-a-career/ This current one is the 13th longest, for now. But I think it will move up a couple of notches before it's done. |
2012-03-20T18:48:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-15/#comment-137334 |
He's not MRAL, unless MRAL has moved to England.
But speaking of Joe. He said this about Pierce Harlan and co.:
They’re actually currently working on moving to a “no commentary at all” policyBecause every time Harlan opens his mouth he horrifies all decent people with his opinions and his bizarrely overheated language? |
2012-03-19T16:28:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/18/reddit-mra-my-eminent-businessman-friend-who-is-totally-not-made-up-refuses-to-be-alone-in-a-room-with-a-woman/comment-page-3/#comment-136840 |
Mags, Tom sent me an email today using the email address given publicly on his website, which referenced his comments here; it's really him. | 2012-03-19T00:28:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-10/#comment-136612 |
Hellkell, MUS seems to be posting from the same mysterious town as AVT. Let's just call it Trollville. I assume they're both using the same anonymizer (one non-troll also used it a while back). And I'm also assuming they are both the same person, and that this person may have in a previous incarnation been known as MRAL. So MUS is banned pending a really, really, really good explanation. |
2012-03-18T19:19:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-8/#comment-136401 |
I don't call myself Man Boobz. The Man Boobz of the title are the misogynist dudes I write about. There are also Lady Boobz like girlwriteswhat, but there's no pun involved there so I don't really refer to them as that. This is the sort of problem that poor Dr. Frankenstein had with his monster. I suppose I shouldn't post on Reddit as manboobz, but I figured that was the easiest way to identify who I was, and at this point it would be silly to switch that. The non-troll commenters are generally referred to as Manboobzers. Also, I spell it with a Z because manboobs was already taken on blogspot, where I started this blog, and as a url. |
2012-03-18T18:58:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-8/#comment-136386 |
The news story Graham is referring to is the one they're talking about in the Reddit thread this is from, one about a guy who got charged with disorderly conduct after offering two 13-year-old girls a ride in a snowstorm. Which seems absurd, if it happened as described, but somehow I suspect we're not getting all the details. | 2012-03-18T18:48:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/18/reddit-mra-my-eminent-businessman-friend-who-is-totally-not-made-up-refuses-to-be-alone-in-a-room-with-a-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-136374 |
I did a review of Paglia's first essay collection when it came out, 20 years ago (I'm old): http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/reading-tales-of-two-narcissists/Content?oid=881042 |
2012-03-18T06:24:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-6/#comment-136173 |
Generally, when someone says they've been harassed, I believe them. I have doubts about Kyle's story because I don't think he's been honest with me or about me in the past, and because I think he likes to stir up internet drama. (He quits as mod, he returns as mod, he makes his blog private, he makes it public again, etc etc.) Also, the alleged harassment came very quickly after he posted a comment here saying, "you guys have doxed me!" (Which of course we hadn't.) I don't have proof of this, so I'm not going to say that his story is false. Just that I, personally, don't believe it. |
2012-03-17T16:40:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/on-harassment-dont-do-it/comment-page-2/#comment-135852 |
Actual headline today on What Men are Saying About Women: Tom Martin Faces Slut-Feminist Judge, Motion Denied.. http://whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com/2012/03/tom-martin-faces-slut-feminist-judge.html |
2012-03-16T19:55:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-1/#comment-135653 |
Roscoe's a troll, but I don't have any evidence he's anyone else's sockpuppet. | 2012-03-16T19:24:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/the-mens-rights-subreddit-works-on-its-image-problem-by-reaffirming-mras-sacred-right-to-call-women-cunts/comment-page-1/#comment-135636 |
Hmm. I'm confused about the appeals thing. So I removed the reference in the OP. | 2012-03-16T18:47:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/tom-martins-anti-male-discrimination-case-against-the-london-school-of-economics-dismissed-he-responds-by-calling-his-critics-whores/comment-page-1/#comment-135613 |
I think that's basically it. | 2012-03-16T17:11:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/on-harassment-dont-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-135578 |
I think my original version of this post did not make clear enough that we don't know for sure that the harassment actually happened; we have only Kyle's word for it, and frankly he has been known to lie. I added some stuff to the OP to reflect this. |
2012-03-16T16:58:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/16/on-harassment-dont-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-135572 |
DKM, I think this may be the first reasonable argument you have ever made here. | 2012-03-16T14:40:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/mens-rights-activists-or-kitten-haters-you-decide/comment-page-3/#comment-135537 |
From May through December of 2011, NWO posted 2654 comments on Man Boobz,making him the fourth most prolific commenter here (after Holly, Pecunium, and of course Ami Angelwings, the comment champion). Cassandra was 5th. MWO is of course given to really, really long comments, so it's possible he may have even come in first in terms of the total number of words. |
2012-03-15T17:20:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-5/#comment-135307 |
Everyone knows that cats are privileged princesses. They control the spending of women. Women do most of the spending. Therefore kitties rule the world. | 2012-03-15T17:11:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-5/#comment-135301 |
The guy that Elam posted about wasn't hounded; the other guy was apparently hounded. Also, some people have been having trouble posting tonight. It's some wordpress glitch. Presumably they will fix it. |
2012-03-15T01:53:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-4/#comment-135167 |
Actually, there were two threads. One of the guys was found; the other as far as I know wasn't, though it's also not clear if he was trolling or what. The goading took place in the second thread. Oy. I don't want to read either the Reddit thread or whatever the fuck Elam has to say about it. |
2012-03-14T21:26:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-4/#comment-135143 |
Also, Q, if you do have evidence that SRSers were making those comments, I urge you to send it along to the SRS mods. Or you can give it to me and I can pass it along to them. | 2012-03-14T20:05:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-4/#comment-135130 |
Qanan, whoever made those comments was acting a truly vile manner. But the only comments I saw were from a self-described MRA and another one from someone who had previously described himself as opposed to SRS. Do you have evidence that the others were SRSers? Frankly, given the frequency with which you assert things that are not true, I'm not going to take your word on it. People troll on r/mensrights. Hell, there was someone going around there pretending to be me, as you may recall. |
2012-03-14T19:54:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-4/#comment-135128 |
Dude, no one tracked you down with a detective. People know who you are from Reddit, and they know you have a blog. How on earth is this remotely similar to doxxing?
You may not have any control over the sidebar -- wait, you are still a mod, right? -- but you can certainly speak out against hateful people in your movement. You choose not to. (Oh, except for Jeremiah.)
Hey, it's your movement, handle things however you want. Just don't be surprised when people outside your movement criticize the hateful people within it that you're not willing to criticize.
I came by as a friendly stop by, I guess MRAs aren’t welcome here.So if anyone disagrees with you, you flee and pretend you were driven out by meanies? |
2012-03-14T19:07:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-4/#comment-135121 |
Also, Qanan, how is the SPLC tainted by the fact that the RadFem hub suggests that people donate to them? The SPLC has zero control over that. I could put up a post suggesting that people donate to A Voice for Men. Would that taint them? And one more point: while the comments from RadFem hub that you quote are awful, the RadFem hub doesn't target individuals, and give potential vigilantes road maps to their houses. AVFM does. (And you guys still link to them in your sidebar.) That's a gigantic fucking difference, and that's part of what makes the MRM look a lot like a hate movement. As I've said before, if you don't want people to see the MRM as a hate movement, you need to speak up against, and throw out, the hateful people. |
2012-03-14T18:45:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-4/#comment-135115 |
Qanan, you realize that RadFem hub isn't mainstream feminism, whereas many of the most hateful people I quote here are the biggest and most influential names in the MRM? The guy telling a feminist that the idea of "fucking her shit up gives [him] an erection?" That's someone you guys link to in the r/mensrights sidebar. In other words, in the MRM misogyny is mainstream. r/mensrights basically represents the moderate wing of the MRM. And that's scary. |
2012-03-14T18:35:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-4/#comment-135113 |
I think at this point the only way I'd believe it's not MRAL is if a monkey flew out of my ass and told me it wasn't him. Maybe the person we know as MRAL is really that supercomputer that beat all those guys on Jeopardy. |
2012-03-14T14:31:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/12/oh-mens-rights-subreddit-will-you-ever-learn-probably-not/comment-page-7/#comment-135040 |
If it's MRAL he has definitely stepped up his game (except for some of the recent comments, which might be his way of revealing the man behind the curtain). | 2012-03-14T14:22:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/12/oh-mens-rights-subreddit-will-you-ever-learn-probably-not/comment-page-7/#comment-135031 |
Also, the "I'm the victim here" line is exactly the same as one that MRAL used on Pharygula or however you spell that. And also also, the previous troll posting from the same mysterious town also reminded a lot of people here of MRAL. I'm putting AVT on moderation until he can give me an explanation that makes sense. |
2012-03-14T14:21:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/12/oh-mens-rights-subreddit-will-you-ever-learn-probably-not/comment-page-7/#comment-135029 |
AVT has posted from several IPs that are, well, pretty distant from one another. One of them is a little suspicious; several other commenters here have also posted from IPs in the same town and it is pretty much completely impossible that this blog would have three separate commenters posting from this town. One of them was a troll, the other a perfectly reasonable person. My guess is that they're all using the same anonymizer, at least some of the time. | 2012-03-14T14:16:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/12/oh-mens-rights-subreddit-will-you-ever-learn-probably-not/comment-page-7/#comment-135025 |
And that was the issue. Whether she abused him BECAUSE of feminism. That's what people challenged him on. And that's what TS has been misrepresenting from the start in all his posts on this. | 2012-03-14T08:50:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-11/#comment-134859 |
And Toysoldier returns with yet another dishonest account of the goings-on in the comments here: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/this-is-what-it-looks-like-v5/ And while we're at it, here's girlwriteswhat's video responding to the whole SPLC thing. I didn't watch it, but if you poke through the comments you can find her lying about me. I'm beginning to wonder if MRAs are simple incapable of being honest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W46iTOiFm1U |
2012-03-14T03:07:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-11/#comment-134837 |
Cassandra, trust me, no one wants Jeremiah -- well, except Elam and Co.
He's the guy I quoted in this post:
http://manboobz.com/2011/08/28/again-with-the-14-year-old-girls/
The quote:
Normal heterosexual males will generally have sexual attraction for pubescent females of child-bearing age, from puberty till they start to get old and gross (late 20s, early 30s usually haha).But this quote really only offers a tiny taste of what makes him the loathsome turd he is. |
2012-03-14T02:24:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-3/#comment-134829 |
I think Arks' comic is very nice. Of course, I'm assuming it's satire or at least trolling. The weird thing is that even if you assume it's meant completely seriously, it's still less offensive than the Pigman comic. |
2012-03-13T21:14:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-3/#comment-134738 |
Fixed the link to the third comic! And thanks for the NiceGuy and the crimitism links. Obviously there is a vast world of terrible, terrible misogynistic comics out there that I have only begun to explore. And on the toilet seat thing. Obviously the only correct solution is to put not just the seat but the lid down, so things don't fall in. |
2012-03-13T16:45:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/13/mra-comics-cavalcade-part-one-the-pigman-and-pals/comment-page-2/#comment-134645 |
Boggi, I want to second the advice to get treatment for your anxiety and OCD and whatever else you are dealing with. A lot of the people here have dealt with/are dealing with similar issues. I've been dealing with depression for decades. It's tough. Thing is, the comments section here is not the place to work out those issues. And when you tell people essentially not to challenge you because of your OCD/Anxiety issues, that's manipulative -- and it's also not healthy for you. I understand you want to be a good feminist/feminist ally, a good trans ally, and so on. If you look around online, you'll find a lot of handy guides for how to to this. A couple of things these guides often talk about are. 1) You need to listen, really listen. If you say something in a feminist forum, and get a lot of pushback, don't immediately argue or apologize (or try to pull off a mixture of the two), ask yourself why it got that reaction, and spend some time thinking about what the other commenters are saying. If your OCD makes you feel compelled to respond, that's something to talk about with your therapist. 2) You need to do some learning on your own. You can't just go up to a group of feminists and essentially ask them to teach you all about feminism. There are lots of resources online that will take you through a lot of the key issues. And, as I said before, lots of guides for people who want to be good allies. It might be healthy for you to just step away from Man Boobz for a bit and do some reading and reflecting. The other big thing people are reacting to here is the atheist smugness that comes through in a lot of your comments. A lot of us here, including those of us who are atheists or agnostics, find that sort of arrogance, well, really irritating. It's possible to be an atheist, and to critique misogyny in religion, without essentially declaring all believers to be sheeple. And actually, most of us feel that way about feminism too; we're not trying to find a bunch of "correct" feminist positions that will enable us to look down on the rest of the world as a bunch of yahoos. The world is a complicated and messy place and feminist thought is complicated and messy and contradictory. And it should be. It's not about cultivating a sense of superiority. |
2012-03-13T16:21:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/12/oh-mens-rights-subreddit-will-you-ever-learn-probably-not/comment-page-5/#comment-134634 |
She who controls the grocery shopping controls the world. Power grows out of the bag of groceries. |
2012-03-12T17:24:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/11/hey-ladies-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-you-like-really-really-needs-you/comment-page-3/#comment-134230 |
And lo and behold now we have someone in r/mensrights explicitly advocating terrorism:
the cost to the establishment to maintain the status quo in regards to divorce, custody, etc. must be made so high that it's just no longer feasible. If that means instilling abject fear into the hearts of judges, cops and legislators by making them think their careers and/or lives could be forfeit unless they change their attitudes towards men, then so be it.I added this quote to the end of the piece; there's a link to it as well. |
2012-03-12T14:07:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/12/oh-mens-rights-subreddit-will-you-ever-learn-probably-not/comment-page-1/#comment-134148 |
Yeah, as someone who sometimes engages in vanilla sex, I'm really not seeing a big issue with "vanilla." Sure, sometimes kinky people use it in a snarky way, but there really isn't any term out there that is better. What are you going to call it, "normal sex?" That would demonize kinky sex. I mean, if someone comes up with a better term, I'll use it, but I haven't seen one anywhere. Also, vanilla really does taste good. Apple pie with a nice scoop of vanilla ice cream? Mmmm. I'm not making a double entendre there. I just like apple pie with vanilla ice cream. |
2012-03-12T13:19:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/10/fingers-and-trolls/comment-page-2/#comment-134129 |
Mags, so your response to the fact that men generally run things (more so than women) in most professions is to point out that there are two professions in which more women run things? (Still, I wonder if the # of women running things matches the # of women in the profession.There are a lot of women in journalism, but somehow every top editor I've worked for has been a dude.) Oh, and that men get murdered more often. Well, using your logic earlier, I suppose I could say that, well, I haven't been murdered, so that little factoid has no relevance to my life. I love the way MRAs seize on every stat that suggests men have it worse, but whenever someone brings up a stat that suggests women have it worse, it somehow doesn't count because, oh, I'm not a CEO therefore patriarchy is a lie. |
2012-03-11T17:11:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/11/hey-ladies-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-you-like-really-really-needs-you/comment-page-2/#comment-133927 |
TriggeredFan, sorry about that. I really, really don't want that to happen. I do put a general trigger warning on the blog, because so much of what I quote from misogynists is so vile, and so many of the posts can be triggering. Also because I don't moderate every comment, and so triggering things can and do get said in the comments of even non-triggering posts. (I generally delete the really, really bad comments and ban those who make them. But they may still be up for a time before I see them.) I will start putting trigger warnings on posts that are particularly bad as well. |
2012-03-11T16:51:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-10/#comment-133922 |
Someone removed the quotes in the background for him. Aw, who doesn't want to be associated with the shit he actually says? | 2012-03-11T16:45:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-4/#comment-133921 |
Darksidecat for the win! Seriously, Mags, deal with that. Also, I'm guessing that if I found a bunch of group pictures of shift managers at Burger King, most of them would be male as well. In other words, men more likely to be running things up and down the hierarchy. Pics of boards of directors just happen to be a lot easier to find on Google. If it doesn't matter that men are CEOS because not all men are CEOs, well, most men aren't homeless, or working in mines, or getting falsely accused, so you should probably go and tell the MRAs to stop talking about all that shit too. Mags, you need to become a Mags Rights Activist, if the only things that matter are your own personal circumstances. |
2012-03-11T16:37:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/11/hey-ladies-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-you-like-really-really-needs-you/comment-page-2/#comment-133920 |
jumbo, to be fair, I've banned him here. For lying. It's pointless trying to discuss anything with him. I should know that by now. But it bothers me that people read his bullshit about the discussions here and believe it. |
2012-03-10T23:58:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-9/#comment-133759 |
Tamen, in his post Toysoldier lies about and mocks Holly, who is a rape survivor., Does this not bother you? | 2012-03-10T23:51:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-9/#comment-133752 |
How dishonest is Toysoldier? He lies about things that people can check for themselves by merely scrolling up the page.
He's written an update to his post, responding to the discussion here. He says:
Over on his blog, Manboobz stated, “Toysoldier has done a completely dishonest post about Roberta’s escapades here, suggesting that “she” was simply giving us meanies a ‘taste of [our] own vile.’” That is not what I wrote, however,Here, in fact, is what toysoldier wrote about Roberta's trolling here: I was not surprised that some of the Manboobzers got a taste of their own vileDUDE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU SAID. I QUOTED YOU DIRECTLY. YOU SAID WHAT I QUOTED. IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE SAME PAGE. Was it wrong of me to suggest that he was calling us meanies? This was not a direct quote, but a characterization of his attitude. Well, in the post, he talked about how the commenters here "viciously attacked" a rape survivor. He described what we do here as "manipulating, bullying, and trashing people." So, yeah, I'd say that was a reasonable characterization of what he says about us. (It's not actually true, but it's what he said.) What on earth does he think I'm putatively lying about here? |
2012-03-10T23:47:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-9/#comment-133747 |
Buttman, you're on moderation (I can't remember why, but I'm sure it was a good reason), but I did let your comment through when I cleared the moderation queue. So the world was only temporarily deprived of your insights on the matter. | 2012-03-10T21:21:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/10/fingers-and-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-133648 |
Holly, it's pretty clear that the vast majority of MRAs who talk about this site haven't actually ever read anything on it. Yes, IR, after it was clear Elam wasn't actually debating me, but instead arguing with an imaginary feminist in his head, and was also being a complete asshole (as per usual, I've come to realize), I decided to walk. I did actually write a response to Elam's final post in the "debate." Did you read it? Turns out that his grand closing argument was based on a really obtuse misreading of one of the biggest DV studies ever conducted. |
2012-03-10T20:31:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-4/#comment-133622 |
Kyso, your wish is my commend! | 2012-03-10T19:23:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/10/mens-rights-redditor-feminists-used-to-chuckle-about-the-mrm-now-they-talk-about-how-we-make-them-afraid/comment-page-1/#comment-133581 |
Also, the MRAs have invented something called "the apex fallacy," which means that even though men hold the vast majority of positions of power in society, somehow this doesn't matter because other guys are garbage collectors, or something, and so women rule the world really because if we don't do what they say we'll never get laid, amirite fellas? | 2012-03-10T17:56:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/10/mens-rights-redditor-feminists-used-to-chuckle-about-the-mrm-now-they-talk-about-how-we-make-them-afraid/comment-page-1/#comment-133544 |
M Dubz, I can't believe you've forgotten that a lady can sit down in the street and cry, and uniformed men will show up and arrest and imprison any man the lady wants arrested. It's all there in Title IX, or Obamacare, or something. | 2012-03-10T17:53:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/10/mens-rights-redditor-feminists-used-to-chuckle-about-the-mrm-now-they-talk-about-how-we-make-them-afraid/comment-page-1/#comment-133542 |
Yeah, I need to officially update the comments policy, and I'll add something about impersonation. So far we've only had that happen once. | 2012-03-10T17:40:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/10/fingers-and-trolls/comment-page-1/#comment-133535 |
Vengeance Dad is really a terrible meme. I much prefer MRA Marmoset: http://mramarmoset.tumblr.com/post/16464268205/one-of-my-favorites-i-made-so-far |
2012-03-10T15:45:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/10/mens-rights-redditor-feminists-used-to-chuckle-about-the-mrm-now-they-talk-about-how-we-make-them-afraid/comment-page-1/#comment-133484 |
Adi, are you really this obtuse or are you just pretending? This is a serious question, actually.
If Elam is talking about something like a libel suit, why on earth would he make a point of saying that giving me and the other writer what we "deserve" would be
at the expense of the very values and principles we are trying to promote.Obviously he is talking about something bad, and something permanent, so bad and permanent -- and something so obvious to the readers that he felt it necessary to cover his own ass here with this statement so he could say, "oh, I didn't really advocate that." If he were talking about libel, he would have simply said so; he's not shy about saying the "l-word." Indeed, he said this yesterday on Reddit: [–]avoiceformen (_) [-115] 15 points 21 hours ago (21|7) There are things you have to consider before taking this on. I have already spoken with counsel and the suit is a bad idea, for a good number of reasons. As has already been mentioned, the subject of damages is forbidding. Also, depending on where this is filed it brings up different problems. No one in their home state is going to go after them. Also, there is the matter of SLAPP statutes. If you go after someone for libel without a strong case, you can end up being forced to pay their attorney fees. Their organization rakes in literally 30+ million a year in revenue, and only spends about half that. They are cash flush and have almost limitless legal resources. Trust me, I would love to go after them, but litigation is not the way. We do have other plans, though. More to come.He's not going through with a libel case in this instance not because he is somehow morally opposed to libel suits, but because, among other things, he's afraid he would lose it, and this could cost him money. The link: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/qpgg0/its_time_to_wake_the_a_up_in_mralets_sue_the_splc/c3zf4nv |
2012-03-10T15:35:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-3/#comment-133480 |
Kitties kitties everywhere!! | 2012-03-10T15:03:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/mens-rights-activists-or-kitten-haters-you-decide/comment-page-1/#comment-133470 |
I left several comments there. Is it worth responding to in a post? As a result of one of his previous posts, there are some people going around saying that commenters here love to mock rape victims for fun. Then again, virtually everything MRAs say about MB and you all is basically based on these sorts of lies. Maybe its' pointless. |
2012-03-10T13:34:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-9/#comment-133440 |
Toysoldier has done a completely dishonest post about Roberta's escapades here, suggesting that "she" was simply giving us meanies a "taste of [our] own vile." http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/monkey-see-monkey-do/ |
2012-03-10T13:11:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-9/#comment-133434 |
Adi, this is what Elam said:
Or, we can treat these vermin as they deserve to be treated. Well, not as they deserve, because if these people actually got what they deserved the problem would be solved, but at the expense of the very values and principles we are trying to promote.So what exactly do you think he means by "treat[ing] these vermin as they deserve to be treated." That we should get sandwiches and tiaras? When he says "the problem would be solved," what exactly does he mean there? He wants us to shut up forever. How exactly does someone shut someone else up forever? If he's not suggesting that we "deserve" something terrible, why the last part of the sentence? Your bit about "plausible deniability" is a bit, well, ironic. Elam is kind of the king of plausible deniability. Trouble is, he's a little too obvious about it, and the only people who think he's not saying what he obviously is saying (or at least pretend to think this) are, well, the gullible, the fanatical, or the extremely literal. |
2012-03-10T03:20:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-3/#comment-133377 |
Xardoz, Elam rageface is awesome. I will have to come up with an excuse to use it. | 2012-03-10T00:48:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-3/#comment-133345 |
Holly, I'm going with the "third asshole" theory too. Sounded MRALey at the end, but stayed in character way, way too long to be MRAL. | 2012-03-10T00:46:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-8/#comment-133343 |
The RockinMrE of the Man Boobz comments is not the real RockinMrE. If I had known that there WAS a real RockinMrE I wouldn't have let the comment through. And I'm going to ban the imposter acct., and put the person who did it on moderation. Impersonating other people, big no no. Do not do it. Even if the person you're impersonating is a giant asshole. Also, I'm sort of tired of joke Poes here, unless they're really, really obviously fake. |
2012-03-09T23:25:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-3/#comment-133316 |
I was with you until that last picture. The kitten-pony is creepy.But that was my closing argument! |
2012-03-09T20:41:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/mens-rights-activists-or-kitten-haters-you-decide/comment-page-1/#comment-133275 |
Just a note for anyone just now catching up with this thread: "Roberta" had something of a meltdown (or a trollish pseudo-meltdown), and posted a lot of truly vile shit, and earned a ban. I've removed the worst of "Roberta's" comments. "Roberta" tried to comment again with a new email, and gave this facebook page as "her" homepage: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003470614274 You'll notice that the gender given there is male. "Roberta" ended up sounding a LOT like MRAL at the end there. The IP address would suggest someone posting from the midwest, not Boston, though that can be faked. In any case, I'm guessing: not a real lawyer. |
2012-03-09T18:01:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-8/#comment-133199 |
Yeah, forget "possibly." It'll be forever. And I will delete the worst of the posts, and the quotes in other people's comments. I will, however screenshot them and save them for posterity. WTF. That was one of the strangest flameouts I've seen yet. |
2012-03-09T17:39:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-8/#comment-133187 |
And Roberta gets a time-out. Possibly forever. What the hell? |
2012-03-09T17:32:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-8/#comment-133179 |
Wait, Alec Novy is showing some promise too:
Most feminist legislation is used against black men primarily and is wielded by racist women to practice their racism “legally” |
2012-03-09T17:01:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-1/#comment-133132 |
Looking through the comments on AVFM again. Fidelbogen's is the winner so far. This is my favorite line:
I have personally not engaged in hate speech as the law defines it.Well, I guess you're a perfectly decent guy then, as the law defines it! |
2012-03-09T16:58:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-1/#comment-133127 |
Morgan, there was another post up on SPLC's web site that specifically talked about AVFM (and other misogynistic/hateful sites.) (Though Elam was also mentioned in the main piece.) | 2012-03-09T16:26:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-1/#comment-133081 |
Elam loves playing King of the Thugs, but also loves playing Mr. Serious Civil Rights Leader. Trouble is, you sort of can't be the second if you're the first, and his King of the Thugs posts are all there on the web for everyone to see. | 2012-03-09T13:46:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/09/a-voice-for-men-responds-to-the-southern-poverty-law-center-with-love/comment-page-1/#comment-132919 |
Elam's response to the SPLC is priceless. Just did a post on it, will put it up in the morning. | 2012-03-09T03:03:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-132714 |
Mags, the author's name is on the article; I would imagine he wrote the sidebar as well. That's generally how it works. The two people who wrote the MRA myths piece are also identified. Hint: If at the top of the page just before an article starts, you see the word "by," generally what follows that is the name of the author. Hope that helps! |
2012-03-09T00:48:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-132652 |
Bored now. Steersman, bye bye. |
2012-03-08T23:03:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-7/#comment-132615 |
Steersman, I'll let that one comment go, but you're treading on thin ice, in that your post-cunt-discussion comments are also extremely boring. Step it up, dude. We have standards here. | 2012-03-08T20:11:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-6/#comment-132551 |
Yep, the most extreme vitriol and rape threats are only reserved for women!Yep. The author of the SPLC piece, who is a guy, hasn't gotten any nasty personal comments directed towards him yet that I've seen. Contrast that with r/mensrights' treatment of Rebecca Watson in this thread today. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/qn5kh/rebecca_watson_about_my_refusal_to_debate_you/ |
2012-03-08T19:21:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-132520 |
Rutee, "surprisingly reasonable" compared to the sort of crap I expected them to say. Though it's worth noting that many of the worst MR regulars haven't weighed in yet. | 2012-03-08T19:18:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-132519 |
A surprisingly reasonable discussion of the article in r/mensrights: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/qnxyb/til_southern_poverty_law_center_thinks/ |
2012-03-08T19:00:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-132509 |
Pecunium, it's fine. I was really only bored with his side of the argument, insofar as there was one. | 2012-03-08T18:47:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-6/#comment-132502 |
IR, you do realize that nothing you say makes sense to anyone but you, right? | 2012-03-08T17:13:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/international-womens-day-has-gotten-so-commercialized/comment-page-1/#comment-132456 |
As much as I hate Stalin, he's dead, the USSR collapsed two decades ago, and International Woman's Day has sort of become its own thing. | 2012-03-08T17:10:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/08/international-womens-day-has-gotten-so-commercialized/comment-page-1/#comment-132453 |
Steersman, uuuuuuuuuuuuggggghhhhh. No more from you on this topic. I hereby declare this incredibly silly and tedious debate closed. Forever. If you want to continue commenting here, pick some other (and preferably less silly) topic to debate. You've got at least 8 hours to think of a new topic, as I'm putting you on temporary moderation, and going to bed. |
2012-03-08T04:45:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-6/#comment-132372 |
10G, I understand the frustration, and so does everyone here (aside from the trolls), but those comments were over the line, and I deleted them. | 2012-03-08T03:34:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/07/gucci-little-piggy-sandra-fluke-is-a-lesbian-pirate-because-one-of-her-fingers-is-longer-than-the-other/comment-page-3/#comment-132367 |
Chuck, whorefinder is also a virulent racist. Have you ever criticized him for that, or is your disagreement simply related to you writing for the Good MEn PRoject? | 2012-03-08T01:01:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/07/gucci-little-piggy-sandra-fluke-is-a-lesbian-pirate-because-one-of-her-fingers-is-longer-than-the-other/comment-page-3/#comment-132327 |
why should people who don’t need birth control for their own bodies have to pay for the birth control of people who do?Why should people who don't need blood-pressure meds for their own bodies have to pay for the blood-pressure meds of those who do? Because that's how insurance works? |
2012-03-08T00:59:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/07/gucci-little-piggy-sandra-fluke-is-a-lesbian-pirate-because-one-of-her-fingers-is-longer-than-the-other/comment-page-3/#comment-132326 |
Chuck said:
And on what grounds can Fluke demand birth control?On what grounds is she disqualified from speaking on the subject? |
2012-03-07T17:13:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/07/gucci-little-piggy-sandra-fluke-is-a-lesbian-pirate-because-one-of-her-fingers-is-longer-than-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-132155 |
Someone wrote a whole book on the finger thing; there's a link in Chuck's post. Also, does anyone have any idea where this "pirate" thing is coming from? I've heard gay men called "butt pirates" but that slur doesn't really make sense applied to lesbians. |
2012-03-07T16:56:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/07/gucci-little-piggy-sandra-fluke-is-a-lesbian-pirate-because-one-of-her-fingers-is-longer-than-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-132147 |
Hmm. I doubt that "Fucktrelle" is MRAL. Plenty of other dickbags it could be. | 2012-03-07T16:52:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-5/#comment-132145 |
So presumably AntZ needs to slip across the Mississippi and into Womanland to visit his FOREIGN BRIDE. | 2012-03-06T18:22:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-2/#comment-131823 |
I'll be right back. I'm going out to get a HAIRCUT and some CAT FOOD. | 2012-03-06T16:42:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-2/#comment-131775 |
AZ, Obamacare does not replace all existing health care. You know that, right? | 2012-03-06T16:01:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-2/#comment-131761 |
Oops., ninja-ed by Quackers. | 2012-03-06T15:27:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-131740 |
AZ, you do realize that a number of people have offered detailed rebuttals, with specific quotes from the legislation and links to other relevant information, in the Limbaugh cartoon thread? I suggest you go back and respond to them rather than crowing about how right you are in this thread. Commenters here tend to follow more than one thread at once. You're not actually fooling anyone here. |
2012-03-06T15:26:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-131739 |
Obamacare is the greatest act of state sponsored bigotry since Jim Crow.Huh. A while ago I heard that someone had a plan to put all men on one side of the Mississippi and all women on the other. I just assumed THAT would be the greatest act of state sponsored bigotry since Jim Crow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOiFCpZjhNk&context=C3bd76a0ADOEgsToPDskLwquFON_TjnKCVkc6AnKLT |
2012-03-06T15:13:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/06/mens-rights-redditors-to-rebecca-watson-how-dare-you-say-we-hate-women-you-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-131734 |
Vcky -- Thanks! Even small donations help! And thanks to everyone else! So far the response has been great, and some have really gone above and beyond the call of duty. I appreciate it, a lot! |
2012-03-06T02:51:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/05/man-boobz-pledge-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-131582 |
SO I just read several hundred of the most recent comments and it's all a bit blurry to me now. Did our new friend Roberta ever provide a citation that actually backed up any of her claims? There was that one court case she kept getting the name of wrong,and it didn't seem to back up her points, and that one blog post she linked to, but without pointing to a specific part of it that backed up her claims. Oh, and then she said the magic words "Dworkin" and "MacKinnon." Other than that it seemed like a lot of huffing and puffing and deliberate misconstruing of what people here were saying to her. My head hurts. |
2012-03-06T01:14:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/04/mras-the-way-to-defeat-feminism-is-not-through-debate-but-by-inflicting-pain-on-feminists/comment-page-7/#comment-131579 |
Thanks to all the generous people who have donated since I last thanked you! It means a lot, and will help enormously. And Morgan, and anyone else who can't donate, I understand, and appreciate the non-financial support as well. Quackers, what Chapin video is this? I need to take a look at it. Or at least the comments; I can't stand the sound of his voice. |
2012-03-05T20:06:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/05/man-boobz-pledge-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-131430 |
Uh, Daisy, everyone is moderated the first time they post here. Once I let them through, they can post all they want. | 2012-03-05T19:25:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/23/and-what-if-they-get-killed-a-voice-for-men-as-an-antifeminist-witchfinder-general/comment-page-3/#comment-131370 |
Quackers, there are cock carousel t-shirts too! With the graphic from the banner! | 2012-03-05T17:13:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/05/man-boobz-pledge-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-131294 |
There are tote bags! Well, on the Man boobz store there are (follow the t-shirts etc link at the top of the page). You have to buy them through there. Thanks, everyone, for your donations! Amanda, one of the Mitzi Gaynor specials from the 70s that they talk about in that special-about-her-specials was called "Mitzi Gaynor and One Hundred Men." And it starred ... Mitzi Gaynor and one hundred famous and semi-famous celebrity dudes (though she may have had only about 20 or 30 legitimate celebrity dudes in the bunch, with the rest filled out with dancers). The only one I can remember off the top of my head was Jamie Farr, though I think she might have had Ed Asner also. In one of the routines the men file past her and she kisses each one on the lips. (well, not literally each one, but a bunch of them). It was the 70s, so naturally a lot of the celebrity dudes are hairy and sort of disgusting. It's very weird. |
2012-03-05T15:53:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/05/man-boobz-pledge-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-131263 |
Roberta, the father's rights movement and the men's rights movement are really quite distinct, surprisingly so. FRAs tend to be more focused, more moderate, and more activist than those who identify as MRAs online. And, yes, because of that, FRAs have had some influence in the real world. The MRAs I've found online by and large pay little attention to groups like fathers and families; I've seen some of the more extremist MRAs dismiss fathers and families and Glenn Sacks as "sellouts." |
2012-03-05T03:34:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/04/mras-the-way-to-defeat-feminism-is-not-through-debate-but-by-inflicting-pain-on-feminists/comment-page-2/#comment-131129 |
Actually, Mags posting "first" is her most endearing feature. Perhaps her only one. | 2012-03-05T00:33:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/04/michael-moore-upbraids-rush-limbaugh-for-his-misogyny-by-calling-him-a-prostitute-and-a-bitch-uh-mike/comment-page-1/#comment-131097 |
Roberta, every movement has fringe elements that do terrible shit, like making death threats. I think it's appalling that even a small number of feminists resorted to that. But that doesn't invalidate feminism as a whole. The trouble with the MRM is that the only form of activism it seems to be interested in, or any good at, is personal harassment, aka "fucking their shit up." |
2012-03-04T23:26:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/04/mras-the-way-to-defeat-feminism-is-not-through-debate-but-by-inflicting-pain-on-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-131088 |
Mags, MRAs are ineffective at political and social activism, and ineffective at actually helping people. They seem to be a lot better at harassment. Small groups of hateful people who seem to think the only way to win is to cause their enemies pain can cause a good deal of harm. | 2012-03-04T21:34:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/04/mras-the-way-to-defeat-feminism-is-not-through-debate-but-by-inflicting-pain-on-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-131046 |
yoyo, that post from vox is heinous; I'll have to do a post about it. (Though I might want to do something a bit lighter first. Yow.) cloudiah, yeah, my kitty seems to be doing a bit better. It's been a struggle to get her to eat anything -- I basically have been putting out food from five or six different cans of cat food in installments every day, hoping that she'll eat some of the food from some of the plates. And it's been a little bit of a struggle to sneak her pills into treats. (Hint: Cats LOVE fried chicken skin.) But today her appetite seems to have improved a good deal. |
2012-03-04T21:31:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/04/mras-the-way-to-defeat-feminism-is-not-through-debate-but-by-inflicting-pain-on-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-131045 |
I gave NWO a time-out, during which I would only let his comments through if they involved cat pics. Surprisingly, he actually did post cat pics. He's still on moderation, and will remain that way indefinitely, but the time-out is over, so as long as he's posting stuff that isn't completely beyond the pale I'm letting his comments through. |
2012-03-04T20:38:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/03/rush-limbaugh-offers-a-gracious-apology-for-his-comments-on-sandra-fluke-scratch-gracious-and-apology/comment-page-3/#comment-131016 |
I would like to reiterate my "he has really bad aim" hypothesis for why Rush has never sired children. He's extremely self-absorbed, so it's pretty likely he pays almost zero attention to whoever he's having sex with. And so sometimes, I posit, he accidentally fucks the inside of a knee, the pillow, a pile of laundry, his alarm clock -- essentially anything and everything in the general vicinity of the bed. |
2012-03-04T17:22:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/03/rush-limbaugh-offers-a-gracious-apology-for-his-comments-on-sandra-fluke-scratch-gracious-and-apology/comment-page-2/#comment-130967 |
I'm pretty sure Michael Moore didn't mean it as a compliment. | 2012-03-04T17:10:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/04/michael-moore-upbraids-rush-limbaugh-for-his-misogyny-by-calling-him-a-prostitute-and-a-bitch-uh-mike/comment-page-1/#comment-130958 |
IR, so if we point out that your comments make no fucking sense, that makes up ableist? | 2012-03-04T00:00:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-6/#comment-130797 |
Oh, and speaking of virgin shaming. Here's one of the new moderators of the Men's Rights subreddit doing a bit of virgin shaming: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/q84dv/what_is_the_opposite_of_a_white_knight/c3vk2cx IR, are you going to make a post about him too? Seems only fair. |
2012-03-03T00:16:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-5/#comment-130624 |
IR was so proud of that last comment he made it into a post: http://ideologuereview.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/lacunar-amnesia/ Indeed, he's done a whole series of posts based on comments taken seemingly at random from this thread. They are all basically incomprehensible to anyone who is not IR. IR, communication is about conveying meaning to other people. If the only person who understands what you're going on about is you, you have failed to communicate. So let's go back to the beginning here: what point were you trying to make with the Aryan horse thing? Once we get that sorted out we can move on to the rest of your comments here. |
2012-03-03T00:13:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-5/#comment-130623 |
IR: At the risk of spoiling the mystery, could you explain exactly what you were trying to get at with the opulent Aryan horse thing? | 2012-03-02T22:50:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-5/#comment-130608 |
Ah, NMMNG, that's one of the posts I was thinking about. I'm pretty sure I saw one on stormfront too. Also, the HBD/white nationaist feud? I need to know more about that. I should do a few more posts on racism and the MRM. There's also a bit of a contretemps going on in r/mensrights between some racists/traditionalists (including our old friend thingsarebad) and the head moderator, who hates them and thinks they're trying to colonize the MRM. The MRM is already full of racists, dude. |
2012-03-02T13:11:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/irony-alert-mra-who-cannot-master-simple-punctuation-attacks-black-women-as-ignorant/comment-page-1/#comment-130454 |
I really need to figure out how to work IR's phrase into ordinary conversation:
If you’re going to address someone mounted on the gleaming opulent horse of superior Aryan intellect, and you're going to the store, could you pick me up some bread? |
2012-03-02T12:59:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-4/#comment-130453 |
DM, you're not imagining things. The comment was from a new commenter, and the other comment he tried to post was straight-up racist, so I decided he didn't really need to post here and deleted the one comment I'd already let through, the one you responded to. | 2012-03-02T04:56:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/irony-alert-mra-who-cannot-master-simple-punctuation-attacks-black-women-as-ignorant/comment-page-1/#comment-130403 |
I thought Explore Nature was our most baffling troll, but IR is giving him a run for his money. | 2012-03-02T02:56:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-3/#comment-130381 |
If you’re going to address someone mounted on the gleaming opulent horse of superior Aryan intellectUh, what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJSRP7cZVo |
2012-03-02T00:50:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-3/#comment-130335 |
You know what’s dumb? Assuming that because something is prescribed, it’s okay. After all, it’s not like doctors ever have any incentive whatsoever to medicate their patients, or patients ever lie to get drugs. Hell, if David became a psychiatrist rather than a blogger, he would probably recommend chemical castration for every man who did not buy into his politics, or as he puts it, “men who should not ever be with women ever.”Well, this is the oddest "argument" I've read all day, and believe me, I've read a lot of odd arguments today. Also, I'm not actually a fan of chemical castration. Though I do think that if some dude clearly hates women, he probably should not date or marry women. Shocking, I know. |
2012-03-02T00:48:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-3/#comment-130332 |
Shaenon, that's a much better way to describe their little hierarchy. And yeah, these women are all supposed to be 25 or less. |
2012-03-02T00:33:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/irony-alert-mra-who-cannot-master-simple-punctuation-attacks-black-women-as-ignorant/comment-page-1/#comment-130324 |
“Rush has been married FOUR TIMES. Rush has ZERO KIDS. I wonder how.”Really bad aim? Like, he's trying to have sex with his wife and ends up fucking her armpit, or something? No offense to armpit fetishists. |
2012-03-01T22:59:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-3/#comment-130289 |
Also, some of them have a similarly fetishized notion of Latin American women, at least those who don't live in the US. Based on what I've read, I imagine the typical manosphere dude would rank women like this, from best to worst: Asian women Eastern European women Latin American Women White (Western) Women Black women |
2012-03-01T22:31:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/irony-alert-mra-who-cannot-master-simple-punctuation-attacks-black-women-as-ignorant/comment-page-1/#comment-130280 |
At one point, I'm not quite sure how I found it, I ran across someone on stormfront or one of those sites who was putting down the MRM, mainly because MRAs were always saying bad things about white women. Which they do. Of course, they say even worse things about black women, saving their praise mainly for Asian women, or at least their fetishized notion of what Asian women are like. | 2012-03-01T22:16:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/irony-alert-mra-who-cannot-master-simple-punctuation-attacks-black-women-as-ignorant/comment-page-1/#comment-130266 |
Hellkell, that's rough. Cats are really good at hiding symptoms. | 2012-03-01T18:50:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/29/mras-most-inept-propagandists-ever/comment-page-4/#comment-130180 |
NWO: I'm going to have to insist that you keep your comments confined to actual pictures and/or videos of cute kitties. Posting a news story about a woman getting hit by a car and killed while trying to help an injured cat doesn't count, mainly because I can't help but imagine you chortling as you posted it. Videos of women breastfeeding cats also don't count. | 2012-03-01T18:48:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-2/#comment-130179 |
Lauralot, that is really a shitty situation. So sorry. hellkell, that's a touch position to be in. A good friend had to put one of her cats to sleep recently, after 17 years. Meanwhile my cat's barely eating anything; when I took her to the vet earlier in the week I discovered she'd lost an enormous amount of weight, and I was really worried that she had something incurable. After the blood tests came back, turns out she has hyperthyroidism, which thankfully is treatable. But I still can't get her to each much of anything, or drink more than a little bit of water. I've been giving her every kind of the stinkiest, fishiest kinds of cat food i can find, going through like 7 cans a day just trying to find something she'll eat some of. I may have to take her back to the vet just to get some liquids into her system. |
2012-03-01T18:14:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/29/mras-most-inept-propagandists-ever/comment-page-4/#comment-130166 |
NWO, in addition to putting you on moderation, I'm also giving you a time-out, until I feel like letting you comment again. In the meantime, I will only let through comments from you if they consist of nothing more than links to cute kitty videos on youtube. |
2012-03-01T17:11:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/29/mras-most-inept-propagandists-ever/comment-page-4/#comment-130113 |
And NWO goes on permanent moderation for being a permanent shitstain. | 2012-03-01T17:03:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/29/mras-most-inept-propagandists-ever/comment-page-4/#comment-130105 |
The gif isn't animated; that's actual footage of him bouncing up and down at some public event. In his defense, he was making some sort of joke which he felt he had to illustrate by bouncing up and down. In my defense, it is always hilarious to watch that. |
2012-03-01T15:16:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/01/attention-feminists-rush-limbaugh-wants-to-watch-you-having-sex/comment-page-1/#comment-129992 |
Question, Futrelle: if MRA ideas really are as incoherent, inept, and devoid of real ideas as you claim, why do you spend so much time attacking them?Everyone needs a hobby. |
2012-03-01T14:03:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/29/mras-most-inept-propagandists-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-129959 |
Amphitrite, thank you for sharing your story, and sorry that anyone had to undergo that. | 2012-02-29T17:36:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/29/redditor-the-best-way-to-stop-the-abuses-of-the-child-porn-industry-is-to-legalize-it/comment-page-1/#comment-129843 |
You know, there are more comments on this discussion of the reddit thread than there were people interested in the actual thread.WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! |
2012-02-28T23:35:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/28/reddit-mra-college-women-are-humping-their-way-through-entire-sports-teams-not-only-guilt-free-but-feeling-justified-in-doing-so/comment-page-2/#comment-129665 |
Then a ban it is. (I was leaning that way anyway.) | 2012-02-28T22:39:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/23/uteruses-versus-duderuses/comment-page-8/#comment-129652 |
... and Brandon goes back into moderation. Or maybe just ban forever? Thoughts? | 2012-02-28T22:18:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/23/uteruses-versus-duderuses/comment-page-8/#comment-129635 |
The bit about fertility is the poop icing on the poop cake. Ladies owe betas their most fertile years!!! | 2012-02-28T17:53:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/28/reddit-mra-college-women-are-humping-their-way-through-entire-sports-teams-not-only-guilt-free-but-feeling-justified-in-doing-so/comment-page-1/#comment-129441 |
Pillow, Seoul Sister made a comment to that effect as well. I just let it through. Seoul Sister, we know he was joking. The problem is that he sounds EXACTLY like someone I banned here for good reasons. Seoul Sister, please don't be MRAL. |
2012-02-28T14:41:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/26/your-penis-your-choice-not-your-responsibility/comment-page-4/#comment-129410 |
Irene: definitely NOT Meller. "Matriarchy" on Pharyngula: definitely IS MRAL. (He more or less acknowledged it in an email exchange with me.) Also, I'm pretty sure he actually does think Lol Peelan is an idiot, and was just mentioning him on Pharyngula to stir the shit. Mesogog: Really, really sounds like MRAL. So, Meso, if you really aren't MRAL, you need to send me some sort of proof of your existence in the real world. |
2012-02-28T14:32:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/26/your-penis-your-choice-not-your-responsibility/comment-page-4/#comment-129406 |
I didn't think it was MRAL, but those last few comments. Aw, dude. So into the ban file you go, meso -- unless you can give me some sort of proof you're not MRAL. |
2012-02-28T00:15:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/26/your-penis-your-choice-not-your-responsibility/comment-page-3/#comment-129358 |
Meso, you need to send that in to Pentmouse Letters. Ah ha ha. I'll be here all week. Try the mice. |
2012-02-27T18:56:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/26/your-penis-your-choice-not-your-responsibility/comment-page-2/#comment-129269 |
I think you mean "best." | 2012-02-27T18:53:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/26/your-penis-your-choice-not-your-responsibility/comment-page-2/#comment-129268 |
Hmm. The unknown person who is Mesogog is clearly using some sort of anonymizer -- either that, or they're teleporting from Louisiana to New York between posts. So it could be MRAL. Or anyone, really. I will let Meso keep posting as long as the trollery remains at a high level. | 2012-02-27T16:32:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/26/your-penis-your-choice-not-your-responsibility/comment-page-2/#comment-129218 |
Note to "tacitturn": That was too subtle. You need to be more obvious, otherwise people get confused. | 2012-02-27T15:30:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/27/listen-lady-a-womans-vagina-is-like-a-mans-money-why-oh-why-wont-anyone-date-me/comment-page-2/#comment-129210 |
Holly, great post; I added a link to it in the OP. | 2012-02-27T14:11:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/27/listen-lady-a-womans-vagina-is-like-a-mans-money-why-oh-why-wont-anyone-date-me/comment-page-1/#comment-129171 |
If you scroll up, you will see that Buttman has some startling information for you all, to wit:
1) Some women are sex workers
2) One woman on OKCupid went on a LOT of dates one month, and all the guys volunteered to pay for her dinners. This actually made the news.
Pillowinhell asked:
David, where the hell do you find this stuff, and do you not worry about your mental health after continuous exposure to it?Everywhere, and yes. There's tons more of this stuff on Annals of Online Dating. A friend of mine with a profile up on OkCupid has gotten tons of really creepy messages, one that was nothing more than "Can I cum on your glasses." She told him no. Also, check out the prescription drug/weird feet gal at the end of my post. She's quite a catch, too. She's not a misandrist, though; she just has what sounds like a very eventful life. |
2012-02-27T13:39:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/27/listen-lady-a-womans-vagina-is-like-a-mans-money-why-oh-why-wont-anyone-date-me/comment-page-1/#comment-129158 |
I know, Mags. I should only pay attention to sensible, rational MRAs like Bernard Chapin. | 2012-02-26T20:33:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/26/your-penis-your-choice-not-your-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-128952 |
Brandon is the winner of the "Painfully Literal Troll of the Day" award for February 25, 2012. Congrats, Brandon! There is no prize. | 2012-02-25T18:23:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/23/uteruses-versus-duderuses/comment-page-3/#comment-128450 |
I think I prefer Frippertronics to flippant histrionics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8kcuqIqmIU |
2012-02-24T23:21:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-7/#comment-128214 |
Really, we shouldn't be hiring mammals to do any kind of important or dangerous jobs as all. I mean, look at this. Mammal incompetence at its worst! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPixXv3xp2A |
2012-02-24T18:45:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/24/the-burny-mike-show/comment-page-2/#comment-128177 |
Love that cartoon. I tumblred it. Kate Beaton is awesome. | 2012-02-24T03:48:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/23/uteruses-versus-duderuses/comment-page-2/#comment-128060 |
Congrats, Kristin! Hello Cecil! | 2012-02-23T18:52:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/22/can-reddit-handle-the-truth/comment-page-3/#comment-127957 |
Hellkell, maybe he meant Houyhnhnms, the Horse creatures from Gulliver's Travels? | 2012-02-23T18:26:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/23/uteruses-versus-duderuses/comment-page-1/#comment-127949 |
There's a subreddit that chooses a "redditor of the day." It's not official. But AnnArchist was indeed chosen at one point, which embarrassed some of those who run the subreddit once they realized what a dick he is. Judging from his answers to their questionnaire, he seemed pleased as punch to have been picked. | 2012-02-23T05:00:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/22/can-reddit-handle-the-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-127834 |
So if feminists criticize PUAs they're somehow responsible for rape? | 2012-02-23T03:34:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/21/the-hard-life-of-the-alpha-male-get-it-get-it-its-a-double-entendre-heh-heh-penis/comment-page-7/#comment-127827 |
Crumbs: it's AnnArchist, not AnnArbor. He's still an MR mod, and still an asshole. | 2012-02-22T21:53:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/22/can-reddit-handle-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-127744 |
Mags, SRS tends to pick on posts that are filled with pretty obvious bigotry. Like: "Black people: stupid niggers." Which is a comment with +22 upvotes that the SRSers are discussing now. So they link to it. They don't go into the subreddits to downvote, they don't go into the subreddits to comment. They leave it alone. How exactly does this merit the subreddit being shut down? Sometimes SRS points to posts that some people might not see as sexism or bigotry, perhaps even some that you might agree with. But again,They don't go into the subreddits to downvote, they don't go into the subreddits to comment. They leave it alone. And if you agree with the comment being highlighted, what difference does it make it the SRS people are talking about it. Wouldn't that just give more publicity to views you agree with? And how exactly does linking to something and commenting on it merit SRS gettings hut down? Linking to things and commenting on them is pretty much the entire internet. Yes, there are people who comment on SRS who also go into MR and comment, but that's separate from the SRS subreddit itself. That's just individuals on reddit. Aside from that, SRS's main accomplishment has been getting REddit to finally shut down a subreddit where actual child porn was being passed around (r/jailbait) and others that were filled with sexualized pictures of girls younger than 13. So again what would merit them getting shut down? |
2012-02-22T21:52:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/22/can-reddit-handle-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-127743 |
quackers, what thread is that from? | 2012-02-22T21:19:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/22/can-reddit-handle-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-127725 |
Mags, so do you think it was good or bad that Reddit shut down the sexualizing-children subreddits? Cuz it was sort of SRS that got them to do that. | 2012-02-22T21:16:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/22/can-reddit-handle-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-127724 |
Another kitten! And some mushrooms! http://manboobz.tumblr.com/post/18051276157/raaaaaaah |
2012-02-22T21:01:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/22/can-reddit-handle-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-127722 |
Next thing you know, they’ll add this feature to MRA sites. (One lives in hope…)Alas, that won't work. They looooove the sound of their own voice. That's why so many MRAs make all those endless youtube videos, and why the guy whose name rhymes with "Small Beelan" has a "radio show" every week that's like 2 hours long. |
2012-02-22T19:35:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/22/can-reddit-handle-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-127713 |
"Gaslighting" basically means to manipulate someone, or someone's environment, so that they think they're going insane. It comes from the movie Gaslight, which is a fantastic film, and which is a really psychologically believable portrait of a creepy manipulator and the woman he manipulates and abuses. Ingrid Bergman is amazing as the manipulated wife. Also, a young Angela Lansbury plays a slatternly maid with a Cockney accent and a really bad attitude towards her job. . |
2012-02-22T03:11:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/21/the-hard-life-of-the-alpha-male-get-it-get-it-its-a-double-entendre-heh-heh-penis/comment-page-3/#comment-127373 |
Allright, stop, collaborate and listen! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE |
2012-02-21T16:01:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/20/mra-making-women-suffer-is-a-highly-ineffective-way-to-put-them-in-their-place/comment-page-7/#comment-127249 |
When you look at cases where people have been crushed by crowds -- at soccer matches or concerts or recently at the Love Parade -- it's not really the fault of anyone in the crowd; it's the fault of those in charge of the venue, for allowing a massive group of people to press forward into a bottleneck or a fence or some other sort of barrier. The people in the back of the crowd often have no idea that what they're doing is causing anyone any harm, and the people in the front are unable to move. In some of the most notorious cases, the crowds were mostly male, FWIW, but that's not really the point; it's the dynamics of large groups forced into a space too small for them that is the problem, not gendered behavior. |
2012-02-21T15:41:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/15/quiz-what-makes-an-mra-maddest-pussy-begging-a-voice-for-men-edition/comment-page-5/#comment-127242 |
Mr. Futrelle, Do actually ever make a counter argument, or indeed a valid point of any kind in your articles? Or is it merely always sad-sack, Colbert sarcasm/ lame mockery?Some people really don't deserve rebuttals, only mockery. In this case, there is no "argument" to rebut, merely a bunch of unproven assertions wrapped in misogyny. |
2012-02-21T15:17:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/21/the-hard-life-of-the-alpha-male-get-it-get-it-its-a-double-entendre-heh-heh-penis/comment-page-2/#comment-127228 |
(3) the men’s rights movement asks for nothing more than equal rightsMarc, you haven't "shown" this at all. And it's not true. I suggest you read through some of the literally hundreds of of posts on this blog that demonstrate otherwise. There may be some people in the MRM who fit this description, or at least think that they do, but many, probably the majority, of MRAs online seem to be driven more by misogyny than by any of the issues they purport to care about. Hell, the NCFM site links to and borrows content from A Voice for Men, a frankly misogynist site that, among other things, has set up a fake criminal registry to demonize feminist writers as if they are criminals; it encourages men to vote not to convict men who are clearly guilty of rape; it has canonized as an MRA martyr a man who argued for the firebombing of courts and police stations, and reprinted his long manifesto, including his calls for terrorism. AVfM seems far more interested in stoking the rage of its readers than it is in any concrete activism designed to actually help anyone. |
2012-02-21T02:03:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-5/#comment-127051 |
The hypocrisy is that you don’t mention misandrists.By that logic the National Coalition for Men is hypocritical for not being the National Coalition for Men and Women. Misogyny is the focus of this blog. That doesn't mean I like misandry. But the overwhelming majority of "misandry" talked about by MRAs is not actually misandry. |
2012-02-21T01:23:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-5/#comment-127019 |
Roscoe, it's commendable that you are actually doing something in the real world. That seems to be very rare in the MRM. I do think it would be more productive for you to spend your time trying to MRAs to join you in these efforts, rather than criticizing feminists, some of whom already do more in the real world for male DV victims than almost every MRA I've ever run across. |
2012-02-20T19:58:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/20/mra-making-women-suffer-is-a-highly-ineffective-way-to-put-them-in-their-place/comment-page-3/#comment-126756 |
I like EN's spamming! All his comments are like little riddles. (Except maybe that last one, which is unusually coherent for him.) | 2012-02-20T19:54:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/20/mra-making-women-suffer-is-a-highly-ineffective-way-to-put-them-in-their-place/comment-page-3/#comment-126752 |
This comment, which was stuck in moderation for awhile, sort of got lost in the shuffle on the last page, so here it is again:
Marc | February 20, 2012 at 6:27 pm Wishfull thinking, David. But the men’s rights movement is growing and doing just fine. The meetings at Oxford, University of Chicago, and others, have had great turnouts. Have you seen this recent news coverage in Kenya?.www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLvafgTRFtI How about the men’s rights march in Mexico City? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZcIL93nTOY How about NCFM’s recent rally for fathers rights in Los Angeles? http://www.smdp.com/Articles-opinion-and-commentary-c-2011-12-12-73116.113116-Dads-demonstrate-against-Verizon.html In fact we just got invited to participate in the biggest Earth Day festival in the nation, in San Francisco, as invited panelists to give a men’s rights perspective. Gee, nobody showing, huh? Did you see how men’s rights activists in Israel got the United Nations to confront Israel for its anti-father bias in family courts. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150455 Did you see how men’s rights activists in Germany go the European Court of Human Rights to chastise Germany for its discrimination against single dads? Here are just a few more for you, David. All over the world – Jamaica, Japan, German… the men’s rights movement is growing and you just don’t like it. Tsk tsk. http://ncfm.org/2011/04/issues/mens-rights-movements-around-the-world/ |
2012-02-20T19:51:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-4/#comment-126749 |
What if we don't want to punch people in the nose? Can we just poke them with our finger and go "boop!" Because I'm perfectly willing to do that, at least with kitties. | 2012-02-20T19:42:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-4/#comment-126743 |
So in order to be good people we have to be willing to punch Hanna Rosin in the nose? I did not know that. | 2012-02-20T19:32:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-4/#comment-126734 |
Roscoe, do you do anything in the real world to help men who have suffered from DV? I don't mean arguing disingenuously with feminists. I mean: volunteering, fundraising, etc. If the answer is no, what exactly is stopping you (and/or MRAs in general) from organizing/fundraising/etc to provide more DV services/shelter for men? Please give me an answer that does not involve some variation on "well, the feminists would oppose us." Because, as is clear from merely reading these comments here, many feminists would be glad to help, and some of the feminist commenters here already work to provide DV services for men. And even if you did face resistance, guess what: every single activist in the world, including female activists trying to build DV shelters for women, has faced opposition. Saying, "oh, Erin Pizzey tried that in the 70s and feminists were mean to her so there's no point in even trying," like so many MRAs do, is a pathetic excuse. |
2012-02-20T19:14:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/20/mra-making-women-suffer-is-a-highly-ineffective-way-to-put-them-in-their-place/comment-page-3/#comment-126728 |
"Cutting the voicebox out of little girls" isn't something Cassandra made up; it's something one Spearhead commenter advocates. See the screenshot of Zebert's comment here: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/spearhead-forum-misandry.php?page=7 |
2012-02-19T19:24:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-2/#comment-126380 |
I just noticed Fidelbogen's "limerick" in the comments there:
An old folk limerick: "Tender-hearted grasp the nettle, It stings you for your pains. But grasp it like a main of mettle, It soft as silk remains."Fidelbogen: THAT IS NOT A LIMERICK. I thought he was supposed to be the smartest guy in the MRM, a genius with words, blah blak blah. Here's a haiku about him: There once was a fella named Fidel His brain it was never that idle He filled it with junk That he himself thunk Something something that rhymes with idle Oh wait, that's not a haiku. It's a sonnet. No, not a sonnet. It's some kind of poem, though, that's for sure. A clerihew? Hey, here's an old dance hit that popped into my head for some reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M79qRzJJTg&feature=related |
2012-02-19T16:30:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-2/#comment-126349 |
katz, there you go again, finding facts! | 2012-02-19T16:13:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-2/#comment-126347 |
So FactFinder, come on, show us some screenshots. Also, you were the one who said it was scheduled to come out on Steam. I'm pretty sure that no one here believes that it will, or that you've actually made a video game at all. |
2012-02-19T16:11:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-2/#comment-126346 |
Men are oppressed and kept from going to MR meetings because of "shaming tactics," yet trigger warnings on feminist blogs mean that feminists are scaredy-cats and "hair-brained mental defectives" because some of them don't want to read things that can trigger PTSD. http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/trigger-warning-feminism/ Also, the word is "harebrained." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/harebrained |
2012-02-19T13:54:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/19/mens-rights-in-the-real-world-no-one-showed-up-to-the-event-but-organizers-say-the-lack-of-attendance-is-not-due-to-a-lack-of-interest/comment-page-1/#comment-126278 |
By the way, here's a picture of the pussy faucet, in use: http://gifs.gifbin.com/052010/1274435364_cat-drinking-from-tap.gif |
2012-02-19T01:11:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/17/congress-hears-testimony-on-contraception-once-again-men-have-to-do-all-the-work/comment-page-3/#comment-126197 |
Tumblr has a whole different way of doing things. There aren't comments, as we know them here, on Tumblr. But if you have your own tumblr blog, you can reblog something and add a comment to it. Or you can click on the ? at the top of the page to "ask" me something, which I might or might not respond to in a post there. |
2012-02-18T20:05:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/18/man-boobz-on-tumblr-its-now-a-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-126117 |
Cassandra, thanks for reminding me about FF's video game masterpiece, Preggo Punchout. That he was promising the world would be on Steam by now. http://peririck.deviantart.com/ Could you share some screenshots with us at least? |
2012-02-18T02:23:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/17/congress-hears-testimony-on-contraception-once-again-men-have-to-do-all-the-work/comment-page-2/#comment-125996 |
Note: Ideologue Review is our old friend FactFinder. | 2012-02-17T23:45:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/17/congress-hears-testimony-on-contraception-once-again-men-have-to-do-all-the-work/comment-page-1/#comment-125860 |
I banned MRAL several days ago. He got past today by spoofing his IP address. I let through his confession because it made clear he was in fact Nathan. Ideologue Review is our old friend FactFinder. Apparently he's back, to find more facts. |
2012-02-17T23:42:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/16/muck-ryking-petition-to-remove-alexander-ryking-as-a-tumblr-politics-editor/comment-page-8/#comment-125857 |
Yeah, pretty sure Nathan is MRAL. He's not using the same IP address(es), but it turns out he's using some that can't be traced to a real world location, so presumably they're spoofed or fake or something. Sneaky sneaky! | 2012-02-17T20:23:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/16/muck-ryking-petition-to-remove-alexander-ryking-as-a-tumblr-politics-editor/comment-page-7/#comment-125748 |
dicipres, feminists also seem to like it when you don't try to murder women. | 2012-02-17T16:26:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/17/do-you-want-semen-on-that-how-law-order-svu-imperils-innocent-penises/comment-page-1/#comment-125399 |
Ann Coulter…. I want to bark every time I see her faceFun fact: In college I was once in the same discussion section as Ann Coulter. She looked and acted pretty much exactly the same as she does now. She would not shut up. On another subject Nathan =/= MRAL, unless he's figured out how to spoof IP addresses. |
2012-02-17T15:44:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/16/muck-ryking-petition-to-remove-alexander-ryking-as-a-tumblr-politics-editor/comment-page-4/#comment-125383 |
I recently ran across a woman with a very pronounced Canadian accent (oot and aboot and all that). It turned out she was not Canadian, and hadn't grown up anywhere near Canada. I think she has lived somewhere vaguely near Canada for a couple of years, decades earlier, and that was enough to permanently alter her accent. | 2012-02-16T18:00:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/15/quiz-what-makes-an-mra-maddest-pussy-begging-a-voice-for-men-edition/comment-page-3/#comment-125037 |
Apparently the NY Times has trouble telling HIllary Clinton apart from other women also, as the photo caption here suggests: https://twitter.com/#!/BorowitzReport/status/170280972896571392/photo/1 |
2012-02-16T17:03:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/16/feminists-are-all-the-same-woman-and-that-woman-is-hillary-clinton/comment-page-2/#comment-125029 |
I love Alec Novy's argument here: I, who spend all my time reading MRA sites, am beginning to think that the MRA is bonkers. So I will stop reading most MRA sites. But when outsiders also conclude that the MRA is bonkers, it must be because they're misrepresenting us, even though they came to that conclusion reading the same MRA sites I do. Also, the idea that AVFM is somehow the voice of reason in the MRM is inherently hilarious. My one concern is this: youtube videos. Oh, please please please don't make more MRA youtube videos, I can't watch them. They're so fucking tedious. I only made it about 30 seconds into the manipulation dude video, then I simply couldn't take it any more. |
2012-02-15T18:14:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/15/quiz-what-makes-an-mra-maddest-pussy-begging-a-voice-for-men-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-124854 |
This one from one of Elizabeth's links is nice and snooty: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VaXTZYD4E6M/TZkNq70BZzI/AAAAAAAAB14/UNIFbBz6vb8/s1600/gibson-girl.bmp |
2012-02-15T00:03:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/14/a-very-spearhead-valentines-day/comment-page-1/#comment-124726 |
Kirby and I had a same. | 2012-02-14T23:45:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/14/a-very-spearhead-valentines-day/comment-page-1/#comment-124714 |
Also, what would "non-standard vaginal access" look like? | 2012-02-14T23:45:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/14/a-very-spearhead-valentines-day/comment-page-1/#comment-124713 |
And Holly comes through yet again! Also, I did an image search for "snooty gibson girl" and these were some of the results: http://moreintelligentlife.com/files/u11/snooty.jpg http://www.wornthrough.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Gibson-girl-ignored-by-men-for-ugly-wealthy-woman.jpg http://www.somanyrecordssolittletime.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/CaptainSensibleWot.jpg |
2012-02-14T23:43:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/14/a-very-spearhead-valentines-day/comment-page-1/#comment-124711 |
I don't think this one quite works. http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/364pud/ |
2012-02-14T23:31:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/14/a-very-spearhead-valentines-day/comment-page-1/#comment-124703 |
>‘permitting standard vaginal access’ I think this needs to be a t-shirt. Or at least an amusing drawing or graphic! Let me see what I can do. |
2012-02-14T23:23:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/14/a-very-spearhead-valentines-day/comment-page-1/#comment-124701 |
NOT THE ITALICS!! NOT THE ITALICS!! RAHH!!! AAARGLEBARGLE!!!!! I fixed them. Anyway, I love that scene with the bees because he almost literally says "arglebargle." If you like Nicolas Cage in The Wicker Man, why not try him in Face-Off? |
2012-02-14T16:09:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/reddits-post-pedogeddon-backlash-part-one-rbeatingwomen-weighs-in-on-the-pedo-ban/comment-page-4/#comment-124606 |
>A little trickier though because it’s not really socially acceptable to set off fireworks in a populated area on random days. In Chicago it seems to be. |
2012-02-14T15:47:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/14/an-anti-valentines-day-message-to-all-the-men-going-their-own-way/comment-page-2/#comment-124601 |
Such good news! Keep us posted, Ozy. | 2012-02-14T04:14:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/kitty-needs-help-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-124436 |
FWIW, I think Sandra's sincere and not an MRA in disguise. For one thing, whenever MRAs pretend to be feminists they do it really, really incompetently. Weren't there some people here who got odd and unconvincing emails allegedly from feminists trying to "warn" them about me? |
2012-02-14T02:31:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/reddits-post-pedogeddon-backlash-part-one-rbeatingwomen-weighs-in-on-the-pedo-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-124421 |
Sandra: Exposing and/or mocking noxious ideas/actions/etc is a fairly well-accepted way to deal with that sort of shit. And it can be effective. ShitRedditSays and Something Awful used exposure to get Reddit to shut down its subreddits filled with sexualized and in some cases (apparently) clearly pornographic pictures of preteen girls. Progressive groups use exposure to fight hate groups -- see the Southern Poverty Law Center and Right Wing WAtch, for example. Back in the 1950s, progressives exposed some of the goofier rituals of the Ku Klux Klan and helped to turn it into a laughingstock in many people's minds, which made it easier to fight. The blog Yo Is That Racist used mockery to challenge racism, whether subtle or overt. Feminist blogs use exposure to fight against misogyny -- eg, the "Mooreandme" campaign on twitter. You know who hates this kind of exposure and/or mockery more than anyone? The assholes being exposed and mocked. If all I -- we -- are doing here is amplifying the misogynist signal, why does this site make the misogynists we talk about here so very angry? |
2012-02-14T01:27:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/reddits-post-pedogeddon-backlash-part-one-rbeatingwomen-weighs-in-on-the-pedo-ban/comment-page-3/#comment-124402 |
Also, yelling "hey bagel-boy" at a Jewish guy is a bit problematic, unless the guy in question is literally a boy selling bagels. Though, "hey, I'd like to buy a bagel" would be a lot more polite. |
2012-02-13T23:58:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/reddits-post-pedogeddon-backlash-part-one-rbeatingwomen-weighs-in-on-the-pedo-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-124365 |
I do think there are ways to do "racist" humor that is really humor at the expense of the racists, not people of the race that are ostensibly the target. Invariably when i get into arguments with conspiracy nuts one of them will eventually suggest that I am a tool of the Jewish overlords, or some such, and I will make some joke about signing up with the Jew overlords because there are free bagels at the meetings, or something like that. Obviously that's directed at the anti-Semitic idiots, not at Jews, and associating Jews with delicious, delicious bagels isn't exactly a heinous, hurtful stereotype. |
2012-02-13T23:14:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/reddits-post-pedogeddon-backlash-part-one-rbeatingwomen-weighs-in-on-the-pedo-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-124357 |
Yay Foxie! | 2012-02-13T23:05:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/reddits-post-pedogeddon-backlash-part-one-rbeatingwomen-weighs-in-on-the-pedo-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-124356 |
Sandra, I post the heinous shit to expose it. Obviously I understand that people get angry, upset, sometimes sickened by it. I get angry, upset, sickened by it. But I don't think that violence towards the people saying this shit is the answer, and I don't want people advocating that sort of thing on my blog, even if it's just rhetoric. | 2012-02-13T23:04:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/reddits-post-pedogeddon-backlash-part-one-rbeatingwomen-weighs-in-on-the-pedo-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-124355 |
Glass, I sort of have a moratorium on violent comments here, even if the people you're talking about are reprehensible human beings, as they obviously are in this case. | 2012-02-13T20:34:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/reddits-post-pedogeddon-backlash-part-one-rbeatingwomen-weighs-in-on-the-pedo-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-124282 |
I'm not sure what difference it makes if it's considered a "troll reddit" or not. It's a subreddit devoted to people posting pictures and videos of real women who've been brutalized, and people making jokes, and saying other vile shit, about them. That's pretty hateful.
No, it's not connected to r/mensrights, but it is pretty horrible that one of the mods of that subreddit has posted violent videos there, and thinks it's all terribly funny.
Oh, and here's the whole post on the "no men's rights stuff here" issue:
This sub is not a platform for divorced men to suck each other off and complain about how women get evacuated off of sinking ships first. No one here fucking cares. If you want to discuss how to sink a ship full of disgusting fat feminists- we're your place. See the difference? |
2012-02-13T19:52:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/reddits-post-pedogeddon-backlash-part-one-rbeatingwomen-weighs-in-on-the-pedo-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-124257 |
I forgot to thank Ami Angelwings for pointing this quote out to me. Sorry, to thank all women. |
2012-02-13T17:29:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/13/ladies-are-the-borg/comment-page-2/#comment-124190 |
Ozy, poor kitty! I just did a post about her with a link to the post on NSWATM. | 2012-02-13T02:22:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/12/are-dog-bitches-superior-to-human-bitches-a-misogynist-dingbat-says-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-124022 |
zhinxy, all right, I let his comment through. Scroll up a bit to read it. (It's on this page.) | 2012-02-12T20:08:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-9/#comment-123934 |
zhinxy, DKM has a sort of victim-blamey comment in moderation directed at you; let me know if you want me to let it through or not. Also, Irene seems to be posting from quite a ways away from DKM's location. Maybe she escaped? |
2012-02-12T18:39:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-9/#comment-123904 |
And I'm putting Meller on moderation again, for obvious reasons. ithiliana, I can delete that comment of his, if you want, or leave it up as a reminder of what a vile piece of shit he is. |
2012-02-12T15:41:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-9/#comment-123847 |
Sorry, Bud, I probably shouldn't have described you as "decidedly non-feminist." I probably should have just said you were really incompetent at being feminist. | 2012-02-11T06:21:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/08/breaking-news-from-imaginary-backwards-land-atheists-worship-at-the-altar-of-feminism/comment-page-6/#comment-123615 |
Also, I think he was hoping that feminists would get mad about his article so he could say "gotcha!" Though what he would have "gotten" anyone for I have no idea. | 2012-02-10T19:27:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/on-a-voice-for-men-rape-jokes-about-men-are-hilarious-so-long-as-theyre-about-some-dude-you-dont-like/comment-page-3/#comment-123558 |
but anyway, thanks for the link. I know I saw this before, but I don;t think I wrote about it. | 2012-02-10T19:25:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/on-a-voice-for-men-rape-jokes-about-men-are-hilarious-so-long-as-theyre-about-some-dude-you-dont-like/comment-page-3/#comment-123556 |
crumb, actually that Elam article was a really bizarre and muddled attempt at satire -- the studies he cites were all made up, then at the end he says: all these studies were made up, therefore feminists are liars. (Presumably because he thinks they make up studies, though he provides no evidence of this, of course.) It's sort of embarrassing that I'm actually able to understand his bizarre, er, logic here. | 2012-02-10T19:24:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/on-a-voice-for-men-rape-jokes-about-men-are-hilarious-so-long-as-theyre-about-some-dude-you-dont-like/comment-page-3/#comment-123554 |
Boggi, do you have a url for that Snark quote? (Obviously from AVFM, but what post?) | 2012-02-10T18:36:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/on-a-voice-for-men-rape-jokes-about-men-are-hilarious-so-long-as-theyre-about-some-dude-you-dont-like/comment-page-3/#comment-123546 |
Also, at the moment I'm sort of a neckbeard myself, in the literal if not the metaphorical sense. | 2012-02-10T16:34:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/on-a-voice-for-men-rape-jokes-about-men-are-hilarious-so-long-as-theyre-about-some-dude-you-dont-like/comment-page-2/#comment-123505 |
Re neckbeards: Some of the ShitRedditSays-ers have started this lil joke subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/neckbeardrights/ |
2012-02-10T16:33:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/on-a-voice-for-men-rape-jokes-about-men-are-hilarious-so-long-as-theyre-about-some-dude-you-dont-like/comment-page-2/#comment-123503 |
re the debate with Elam: here's how I presented the debate on the blogspot version of man boobz, with easier-to-follow links to the evidence and links to my explanation of why the debate fell apart, as well as to my post basically demolishing his final post in the debate. http://manboobz.blogspot.com/p/not-so-great-debate-on-domestic.html The whole thing was a bit surreal. Elam spent most of the time arguing with some imaginary feminist living in his head and only tangentially responded to any of my points. I wish I had been a bit more zen in how I handled the whole thing, though; basically he was such an asshole I got pissed off. Ah well. |
2012-02-10T00:21:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/on-a-voice-for-men-rape-jokes-about-men-are-hilarious-so-long-as-theyre-about-some-dude-you-dont-like/comment-page-2/#comment-123397 |
Interestingly, Elam never seemed interested in publicizing the fact that I did actually finish the debate, but with a post here, not on AVfM, that showed that his triumphant final post was based on a bizarre misreading of one of the biggest DV studies ever conducted. | 2012-02-09T22:33:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/on-a-voice-for-men-rape-jokes-about-men-are-hilarious-so-long-as-theyre-about-some-dude-you-dont-like/comment-page-1/#comment-123362 |
Xanthe, I don't know why your comments went into the spam filter, but they're up now, and I'm doing a quick post on it as well. | 2012-02-09T19:39:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-7/#comment-123265 |
When I first discovered Chick Tracts, like 20 years ago, I was so delighted with them I used to order their big grab-bag tract assortments and give them out to friends, as party favors, etc. I think "tiny shoes" is probably the best one. |
2012-02-09T17:27:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-6/#comment-123183 |
Damn, that Chick Tract is out of stock on their website! I was hoping to order it in bulk to give out instead of tips at restaurants. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of "dentists" in my neighborhood, if you catch my drift. They're easy to spot, what with the little demons riding on their shoulders. |
2012-02-09T17:20:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-6/#comment-123173 |
I fixed the italics, and also did that thing no more mr nice guy says will fix them forevermore! So thanks, no more mr nice guy! Happy, I started this blog because i got annoyed reading r/mensrights on reddit. And then I discovered quickly that the MRM outside of reddit was even worse. I just sort of settled into the style I use, in which I basically let the people I quote from dig their own holes. |
2012-02-09T17:05:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/08/theamazingatheists-misogynist-meltdown/comment-page-4/#comment-123155 |
Pixels on scree-eens and whiskers on kittens ... |
2012-02-09T16:50:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-5/#comment-123136 |
I feel I need to stand up for the men you all have been insulting so viciously. Well, man. Specifically, Soulja Boy. I mean, how can you not love Soulja Boy after watching his review of the video game Braid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ In conclusion, men are better than women. I rest my case. |
2012-02-09T16:21:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-5/#comment-123093 |
bloodquartz, thanks so much for your comment. I'm sorry you've had to deal with this shit and glad that the blog and the commenters here have helped. Welcome! You might also want to check out the MB forum too; it's a pretty friendly place,with less trollery than the comments here. |
2012-02-09T02:55:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/08/theamazingatheists-misogynist-meltdown/comment-page-3/#comment-122671 |
I've heard this argument before from MRAs. Essentially, if a man in a custody dispute threatens violence, or is thought to be violent, the courts should simply hand the kids over to him. So he won't get mad. That's the logic of an abuser, or at the very least of an enabler. | 2012-02-09T02:37:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/07/spearheader-on-josh-powell-what-i-dont-understand-is-why-he-didnt-take-out-a-few-judges-instead-of-his-innocent-children/comment-page-3/#comment-122662 |
Price digs his hole deeper. Responding to a critical comment by, er, MRAL,he wrote, among other things: If the cops knew he was capable of real violence, and they must have if they suspected him for murder, they bear some responsibility for provoking this. http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/09/29/police-put-pressure-josh-powell-by-removing-his-children/#comment-130190 So if the cops knew he was capable of real violence (which, uh, they did) ... they should have let him keep the kids? That he ultimately killed? |
2012-02-09T02:30:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/07/spearheader-on-josh-powell-what-i-dont-understand-is-why-he-didnt-take-out-a-few-judges-instead-of-his-innocent-children/comment-page-3/#comment-122660 |
Pecunium, my comment was really just directed at Brandon. Probably should have specified that. | 2012-02-08T23:15:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/25/actual-discussion-taking-place-on-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-5/#comment-122584 |
Uh, MRAL, the SRS people aren't actually bigots. They don't actually hate those boys, or any boys, explicitly or implicitly. Well, if a boy, say, went around punching people smaller than him and laughing, they might hate that particular boy. You're basing your opinions about SRS on a bunch of shit you've just made up, based on nothing. You've never even looked at it. That would be a bit like me saying, oh, I'm not going to eat this hamburger because it hates Jews! When in reality, it doesn't hate Jews at all, and probably doesn't even know what Jews are, because it's a hamburger. That might not be a good example, but I would really like a hamburger right now. |
2012-02-08T23:10:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/08/theamazingatheists-misogynist-meltdown/comment-page-2/#comment-122578 |
MRAL, just to remind you, you're on moderation because every single damn time I let you off moderation in the past you eventually had a fit and started lashing out with nasty personal attacks, generally directed at one specific person. So I'm not letting you off moderation, especially given how pissy you're acting now. I let things through when I check the moderation queue, but sometimes it takes a while because, you know, I have other shit to do. | 2012-02-08T22:30:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/08/theamazingatheists-misogynist-meltdown/comment-page-2/#comment-122551 |
Huh. I was under the impression that the OP here, which, you know, I wrote, wasn't so much about the details of the law as about the creepiness of dudes who think women's attractiveness starts to decline basically as soon as they become adults, and the creepiness of that other dude who thinks the law in question is being promoted by older (and therefore ugly) women who are jealous that their men might be stolen by some 18 year old prostitute and not by, you know, concern over the exploitation of teenage girls. | 2012-02-08T22:20:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/25/actual-discussion-taking-place-on-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-5/#comment-122545 |
MRAL, SRS doesn't actually hate white men. They are sort of taking all the slurs that are directed against feminists, anti-racist activists, etc and turning them around and pretending to be the demons people already assume they are. Holly, I think I'm an I'm-totally-not-sure-but-that-could-be-it member of whatever you call that pantheistic thing you've got going on. Also, eventually humans will be replaced by cyborgs, but they'll carry on the human tradition so it totally won't be like us going extinct. It'll be awhile, though. | 2012-02-08T21:41:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/08/breaking-news-from-imaginary-backwards-land-atheists-worship-at-the-altar-of-feminism/comment-page-4/#comment-122518 |
I just let a bunch of MRAL comments through moderation. | 2012-02-08T17:23:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/07/spearheader-on-josh-powell-what-i-dont-understand-is-why-he-didnt-take-out-a-few-judges-instead-of-his-innocent-children/comment-page-3/#comment-122283 |
I just let a bunch of MRAL comments through moderation. | 2012-02-08T17:23:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/08/breaking-news-from-imaginary-backwards-land-atheists-worship-at-the-altar-of-feminism/comment-page-2/#comment-122282 |
After that comment, which I deleted, Neph is now on moderation and is banned from commenting in this thread. | 2012-02-07T16:02:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/07/spearheader-on-josh-powell-what-i-dont-understand-is-why-he-didnt-take-out-a-few-judges-instead-of-his-innocent-children/comment-page-1/#comment-121942 |
Holly, I was also creeped out a bit by Price's use of the euphemistic term "outcome." Price could have said something like: "This was a tragedy; nothing excuses a man murdering his children (and possibly also their mother). But I believe that he was not given due process." That would have been understandable. But that's not what he said. Instead he tried to blame the court for "hounding" a man which led to this "outcome." |
2012-02-07T15:53:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/07/spearheader-on-josh-powell-what-i-dont-understand-is-why-he-didnt-take-out-a-few-judges-instead-of-his-innocent-children/comment-page-1/#comment-121937 |
stoner isn't an MRAL sockpuppet. Unless he's way sneakier than I'm giving him credit for. | 2012-02-06T00:24:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/05/devastating-new-fly-slogan-gives-mras-the-edge-in-the-war-of-ideas/comment-page-8/#comment-121462 |
Spam filter acting up; I let through a bunch of comments, including some from you, ersatz. | 2012-02-05T22:44:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/05/devastating-new-fly-slogan-gives-mras-the-edge-in-the-war-of-ideas/comment-page-8/#comment-121436 |
I added several more excellent graphics to the post. | 2012-02-05T17:52:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/05/devastating-new-fly-slogan-gives-mras-the-edge-in-the-war-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-120944 |
Scar, I worry that your artwork might be too subtle. | 2012-02-05T15:35:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/05/devastating-new-fly-slogan-gives-mras-the-edge-in-the-war-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-120908 |
I just went to QuickMeme: http://www.quickmeme.com/make/ lowquacks, I was not aware of the slang. It seems to be a bit of a pejorative, so that's good. |
2012-02-05T15:12:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/05/devastating-new-fly-slogan-gives-mras-the-edge-in-the-war-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-120887 |
Actually, Tim Gunn doesn't fuck at all: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/tim-gunn-celibacy-sex.html |
2012-02-04T19:26:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/04/the-case-for-chivalry-note-its-really-really-rapey/comment-page-1/#comment-120695 |
In case anyone is still wondering, Neph-whatever wasn't MRAL or Eoghan or Brandon. | 2012-02-04T19:17:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/03/when-is-a-slut-not-a-slut-when-hes-a-dude/comment-page-9/#comment-120690 |
Amnesia, I'm so sorry. Hugs! And thanks again, everyone. We'll be ok, I know. It's just going to be sad and weird for awhile. donsie, thank you so much! |
2012-02-03T18:36:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/02/really-really-shitty-day-regular-posts-will-return-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-120079 |
Just a little note: My OP here has now inspired a completely disingenuous "Yahoo Answers" query from an antifeminist concern troll who seems to be pretending that my post was not DRIPPING IN SARCASM. Add your answers, if you want! http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120201164454AA2zE1F |
2012-02-03T02:22:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/30/mra-men-can-sometimes-tell-when-women-are-on-their-periods-therefore-feminism-is-exposed-as-a-dirty-lie/comment-page-5/#comment-119838 |
Ullere, I don't know why your comments got snagged by the spam filter. I let them through, without the duplicates; they're on the previous page of comments for anyone involved in the debate to check. Quackers, I guess it's "post weird crap about David Futrelle day" in the MRM. Here's something else I ran across. I'm assuming it's from an MRA spreading misinfo. Either that or someone with extremely poor reading comprehension who really doesn't understand the notion of sarcasm. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120201164454AA2zE1F |
2012-02-03T01:38:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/01/men-oppressed-by-not-being-allowed-to-bitch-about-ladies-in-public-restrooms/comment-page-8/#comment-119829 |
Thanks, everyone, I was there when they injected him, but it still doesn't quite seem real. My friend probably isn't going to get another cat, at least not right away. Her other cat is a littermate of Bun's. She's a bit perplexed that he's gone, and seems to be looking around the apartment for him. I hope she'll be ok; she's lived her whole life with him. |
2012-02-02T23:25:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/02/really-really-shitty-day-regular-posts-will-return-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-119786 |
In case anyone wants to remember AntZ in his prime, let me draw your attention to his inspirational "divide the country" speech, as performed by a cartoon robot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOiFCpZjhNk |
2012-02-01T21:21:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/01/men-oppressed-by-not-being-allowed-to-bitch-about-ladies-in-public-restrooms/comment-page-3/#comment-119338 |
Oh look, massive downvotes on the ShitRedditsays page. Something tells me the MRM has been there.Actually, SRS is ding some sort of reverse voting thing, in which downvotes are upvotes. They have an explanation in the sidebar. Those wacky kids! |
2012-02-01T15:27:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/01/men-oppressed-by-not-being-allowed-to-bitch-about-ladies-in-public-restrooms/comment-page-1/#comment-119122 |
Warning: TMI I can’t crap while using a tampon.Neither can I! |
2012-01-30T18:54:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/30/mra-men-can-sometimes-tell-when-women-are-on-their-periods-therefore-feminism-is-exposed-as-a-dirty-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-118220 |
The concerns of Stormfront.com are which policies, laws, and incentives are most likely to result in a kind of society or community in which White people would like to live?As a white person, I like living in a society/community in which there are people of all races and nationalities. Somehow I don't think that opinion would go over well at Stormfront. |
2012-01-30T14:56:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/20/life-before-feminism-a-map-of-the-open-country-of-a-womans-heart/comment-page-9/#comment-118105 |
Just catching up. New rule for MRAL: No personal attacks. He's used up his lifetime quota. He's on moderation indefinitely. |
2012-01-30T13:19:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/27/theres-an-app-for-that-by-that-i-mean-penis-and-by-app-i-mean-a-doohickey-to-attach-a-fleshlight-to-your-ipad/comment-page-5/#comment-118060 |
Really what would work better is a fake vag console into which an iPad can dock, then play through variations that would stroke based on the program (probably some porn video encoded to the strokes).I'm pretty sure that exists. Call me a geek, but I’m a bit worried about the iPad being broken.Seriously. People: you're supposed to masturbate while looking at your computer screen, not by fucking something attached to it! |
2012-01-28T03:07:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/27/theres-an-app-for-that-by-that-i-mean-penis-and-by-app-i-mean-a-doohickey-to-attach-a-fleshlight-to-your-ipad/comment-page-1/#comment-117442 |
@Mary: Horrible, horrible story, and the guy is clearly misogynistic as fuck. But unless some MRA has specifically supported that asshole, I wouldn't call him an "honorary MRA." |
2012-01-27T19:41:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/26/skanks-spongebob-and-the-maso-kabbalist-videodrome-complex/comment-page-4/#comment-117359 |
Holly, I don't want to imply that sex toys and/or bots or misogynistic, or that it's shameful for dudes to use them. But given the number of MRAs/MGTOWers who hope that sex toys will replace women, I feel obligated to report on the latest developments in this field. |
2012-01-27T19:01:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/27/theres-an-app-for-that-by-that-i-mean-penis-and-by-app-i-mean-a-doohickey-to-attach-a-fleshlight-to-your-ipad/comment-page-1/#comment-117341 |
Irene, don't you ever long for someone a little bit more ... rugged than your current beloved? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqOtyLwxznY |
2012-01-27T18:46:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-5/#comment-117336 |
Apparently the Alaska pipeline runs straight through Boston University. | 2012-01-26T22:38:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/26/skanks-spongebob-and-the-maso-kabbalist-videodrome-complex/comment-page-2/#comment-117077 |
Well, there's two! That second one was a bit mean, though. So I'm not going to count it against the total, since it's my blog and i get to make up the rules. Who is the "man hater," BTW? |
2012-01-26T21:23:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-4/#comment-117046 |
Here's Brandon's response to my last comment:
@David: Really? You are still on this shit. I *oh noes censored now* am not going to butcher my*oh noes censored now* words because you don’t want me *oh noes censored now* to use “I” *oh noes censored now*, “me” *oh noes censored now* or “my” *oh noes censored now*. P.S You said one post where I *oh noes censored now* didn’t use those words. I *oh noes censored now* gave you one and you are still censoring me *oh noes censored now*. Now you are just being disingenuous by reneging on the terms. But I *oh noes censored now* am not surprised.Ha! I'm not going to post that! Oh, wait, I just did. Also, I'm pretty sure I never said you had to post just one comment not referring to yourself. You've got to post several. The comment of yours I let through yesterday doesn't count, in any case, because it was about you even though you didn't use the word "I." I let it through on a technicality. |
2012-01-26T20:53:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-4/#comment-117038 |
Brandon just tried to post a reply, but alas, he referred to himself directly in it. Dude, I know it's difficult to not refer to yourself directly when we're talking about whether or not Ashley is a sockpuppet, but, hey, I never said the Brandon Challenge was going to be easy. (Hint: Referring to yourself indirectly might work. Words to avoid: "I," "Me," My.") |
2012-01-26T20:20:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-4/#comment-117035 |
If any of the middle-aged women here want to dress in "Montana garb," I've added a picture at the end of the OP of a better Montana to emulate than Hannah. | 2012-01-26T19:52:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/26/skanks-spongebob-and-the-maso-kabbalist-videodrome-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-117021 |
Toysoldier has written about the discussion here, in his typically dishonest way. He thinks our criticisms of AZ for calling for light sentences for rape is ... somehow comparable to what happened on Reddit. Here's the link: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/quiz-how-did-manboobzs-feminist-commenters-respond-to-a-mans-account-of-rape/ Here's the response I tried to post there (it's in moderation): Really, Toysoldier? In the Reddit case, a woman described how a man had had sex with her after she clearly told him no. Those who responded to her said that this experience wasn’t rape; several people, including a mod at r/mensrights, actually suggested that she had raped him. On Man Boobz, the main point of contention was that AZ thought that rapists, including the woman who raped him, deserved only light sentences. The commenters thought that she (and all rapists) deserved much LONGER sentences, and that his advocacy of shorter sentences wasn’t doing male rape victims any favors. If some people were a little blunt with him, that’s because we’ve had numerous discussions with him before; he’s been equally blunt with us. The fact that someone is an abuse victim — and many of the commenters on Man Boobz are also abuse victims — does not mean that no one may challenge them about anything. Also, I explicitly warned Happy to lay off the personal attacks on AZ. |
2012-01-26T19:33:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/25/quiz-how-did-reddits-atheist-community-responded-to-a-womans-account-of-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-117007 |
Happy, a couple of your comments about AZ were over the line. Stick to arguing with what he says, stay away from those sorts of personal attacks. | 2012-01-26T17:32:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/25/quiz-how-did-reddits-atheist-community-responded-to-a-womans-account-of-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-116952 |
NWO, one comment and a flounce? You're not even trying any more. But don't think you can rest on your Troll of the Year laurels. DKM is still around, and an enigmatic up-and-comer called Explore Nature is nipping at your heels. |
2012-01-25T20:56:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/25/quiz-how-did-reddits-atheist-community-responded-to-a-womans-account-of-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-116772 |
The whole "if he's drinking too she's just as guilty" line, if applied to, say DWI, would mean that drunk pedestrians hit by drunk drivers would also have to be charged with a crime. | 2012-01-25T19:58:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/25/quiz-how-did-reddits-atheist-community-responded-to-a-womans-account-of-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-116738 |
The theoological term for discussions of the "if there's a God, why is there evil" question is "theodicy." So what would be the term for "if there's a God why is there Reddit" question? (Also, I just corrected typos in the post title and the graphic. I blame migraine.) |
2012-01-25T18:50:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/25/quiz-how-did-reddits-atheist-community-responded-to-a-womans-account-of-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-116705 |
FWIW, Ashley and Brandon have been posting from similar but not identical IP addresses, but the locations have been all over the Mass/Connecticut/Rhode Island area, and Brandon's last one supposedly came from somewhere a thousand miles away from that. Also, FWIW, Brandon didn't use the "just to name a few" phrase earlier. You guys must have been thinking of soemthing else. |
2012-01-25T18:35:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-4/#comment-116699 |
Oh my lord. Brandon made a comment in which he did not directly refer to himself. (It did indirectly refer to himself, but I'll let that pass for now.) Let's see if he can make a comment in which he does not refer to himself directly or indirectly! |
2012-01-25T18:04:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-4/#comment-116688 |
I think it's probably time for an MRAL time-out. | 2012-01-24T18:31:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-9/#comment-116403 |
Hugo was nominated for 11 Academy Awards! Oh wait different Hugo. |
2012-01-24T15:22:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-8/#comment-116309 |
burgundy, not a cover. He wrote it and recorded it in his bedroom using sequencer software he got from a disc that came with a computer music magazine. DIY FTW!
Last time I mentioned that song online he showed up to answer questions. Let's see if it works this time.
White Town! Your Woman! Sequencer program from a magazine!
Also, his website:
http://www.whitetown.co.uk/
And here's his explanation for the gender-bending and the song in general:
I love ‘Your Woman’ *BUT* what is it about??? Are you a man/woman/transsexual? Ummmm…well, that’s a toughie. When I wrote it, I was trying to write a pop song that had more than one perspective. Although it’s written in the first person the character behind that viewpoint isn’t necessarily what the casual listener would expect. I’d been reading a lot of Wilhelm Reich and Andrea Dworkin and they both influenced the lyrics in different ways. Yes, I’m a geek. So, these are *some* of the things it’s about: Being a member of an orthodox Trotskyist / Marxist movement (as I was for three years in the 80s). Being a straight guy in love with a lesbian (ditto). Being a gay guy in love with a straight man (not tried this one yet). Being a straight girl in love with a lying, two-timing, fake-ass Marxist. The hypocrisy that results when love and lust get mixed up with highbrow ideals :-) The last time I checked I was male. But as for gender….that’s another kettle of fish :-)http://www.whitetown.co.uk/faq/ There really are not a lot of catchy pop songs inspired by Reich, Dworkin, and memories of Trotskyist douchebaggery from the 80s. |
2012-01-24T01:26:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-6/#comment-116137 |
And this would no doubt confuse Mr. Meller, particularly since it's sung by a dude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQWt3oMids&ob=av2e |
2012-01-24T01:08:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-6/#comment-116127 |
And now this, by an Italian dude singing in gibberish meant to sound like American English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcUi6UEQh00 |
2012-01-24T00:59:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-5/#comment-116115 |
Burgundy, maybe Queen, "you're my best friend." Or this song by the Kinks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUkBy5X3zMs The gender's wrong, but who cares? |
2012-01-23T23:30:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-4/#comment-116017 |
I’ve got my entire library on shuffle, thoughLowquacks, that's the way to do it. It's like you're listening to the world's craziest DJ, except they're somehow magically only playing songs you like. After Ms.Fontaine, some completely obscure African music I found on a blog. Then an old Bollywood song sung by Asha Bhosle. Now Jane's Addiction. |
2012-01-23T23:24:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-4/#comment-116003 |
Lauralot, listening to Brigitte Fontaine, "Les beaux animaux" | 2012-01-23T23:15:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-4/#comment-115988 |
Oops, my previous post was meant to go to another forum. Sorry.Aw, I liked that post. MRAL, the issue with Hugo isn't simply sleeping with students; it's, among other things, that he tried to murder his ex gf. |
2012-01-23T22:25:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-3/#comment-115906 |
MRAL, female feminists get called out by other feminists all the time.Jaclyn Friedman wrote a piece recently that was, to put it mildly, a bit racially clueless; she apologized for it and donated the money she got from writing it. Amanda Marcotte's It's a jungle out there book was originally illustrated with images from old comic books, some of which were racist; she apologized and removed the images from all future editions of her book. Some of her critics felt that she had crossed a line, and haven't forgiven her for it. | 2012-01-23T22:17:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-3/#comment-115897 |
the politics of “trafficing” are filled with phoney statistics, it would just be ridiculous to talk about the issues without fedfem orthodoxy defining the parameters of allowed discourse.Yeah, that's not actually what's going on. He's not offering a substantive critique of the stats, which, yes, can be highly problematic. He's claiming he (as the owner of a "lady bar") never seen evidence of trafficking, and that sex tourists are the real victims, and bragging about how cool he is for being surrounded by sexy women all day. Mags, I understand that you don't agree with most of us here about things. I just find it sort of remarkable that no matter how loopy the stuff I quote is, you never want to criticize it in any way. Also, there are feminists (like Debbie Nathan) who have critiqued exaggerated trafficking stats. But trafficking isn't imaginary. And sex tourists aren't the big victims here. |
2012-01-23T21:04:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-115793 |
I have no idea. Was there a discussion about AVFM here that I missed? My post was about the spearhead. I don't recall any AVFM posts specifically about the costa concordia, though they go on about the Titanic all the time, and were going to go to DC to, uh, protest the Titanic, I guess. | 2012-01-23T20:36:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-9/#comment-115760 |
EASY COMMUNICATE WITH PENIS | 2012-01-23T20:29:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-18/#comment-115755 |
IT HARD COMMUNICATE WITH WORDS | 2012-01-23T20:28:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-18/#comment-115753 |
Aww, Holly, a happy ending to the bear story! (And not in the dirty sense.) All we need is for someone here to draw a picture of a manboobzer wielding their own severed arm as a weapon while riding a Mormon whore bear. |
2012-01-23T20:12:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/21/warts-and-peace-a-trip-into-the-fevered-imagination-of-christopher-in-oregon/comment-page-2/#comment-115749 |
Make that a really, really long commute. | 2012-01-23T20:06:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-4/#comment-115748 |
The B_don-"Ashley" distance isn't insurmountable. They're in different cities, though the cities are near one another. (Not city and suburb, different cities.) It would be a really long commute. Also, Holly, amazing story. The MRAs (or conspiracy theorists, or whoever) who talk about the US being some sort of totalitarian or "Nazi" state are either ignorant or delusion or just plain idiots about history. |
2012-01-23T19:55:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-4/#comment-115745 |
I think when the "brothel owner" talks about trafficked men he means transwomen. (I reworded the post ot reflect that.) I only noticed a handful of comments relating to trans sex workers. | 2012-01-23T19:26:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/23/upvoted-on-reddit-the-problems-in-the-sex-tourism-industry-are-mostly-womens-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-115740 |
Actually, we were mainly discussing what was said on The Spearhead, not AVFM. I don't recall anyone on AVFM going "ha ha women drowning is funny." It's more like TITANIC MAKE AVFM MAD! CHIVALRY GRRRRR! FUCK THEIR SHIT UP!!! gateman, could you answer any of my questions? |
2012-01-23T16:58:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-9/#comment-115716 |
Ashley, so how do you and Brandon manage your long-distance relationship? (Well, medium distance.) | 2012-01-23T15:49:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-3/#comment-115692 |
Brandon isn't banned. I just put him on moderation and told him he'd have to post some comments in which he didn't refer to himself before I let him comment unmoderated again. He refused. | 2012-01-23T06:27:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-3/#comment-115579 |
gateman, given that you guys are discussing this issue so seriously, could you tell me what the standard ship evacuation procedures are? What the laws are? Whether "women and children first" was ever codified into law, in the US or other countries or in the law of the sea? Whether it was or is the de facto evacuation procedure on ships other than the Titanic? What does it even mean? That every woman and child should be evacuated before a single man is? Clearly that didn't happen even on the Titanic. If men do not want to go after women, which would presumably happen a lot, how are men prevented from evacuating? What are the laws on this? How many ships sink each year? How many people die on these ships? Do men die in disproportionate numbers (given their numbers relative to women on board)? Are ships more dangerous than other forms of travel? Given that AVFM was planning an actual march on Washington to protest this issue, I would assume you have all these facts and many more at your fingertips. Have you attempted to contact any elected officials to discuss these issues? Who are the key political players re maritime evacuation issues? Or are you guys simply ranting about an imaginary issue without knowing shit about it? No, that couldn't be. |
2012-01-23T06:22:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-9/#comment-115578 |
Fun fact about Jacques Futrelle: Changed his name from Jack to Jacques, and added an "e" to his last name, to sound all fancy and French, though there was no French in him at all. | 2012-01-23T00:26:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/22/the-dried-up-vagina-is-a-tool-of-the-state-and-population-control/comment-page-2/#comment-115537 |
AACC: Steely Dan did a similar thing with all the weird chords they used. | 2012-01-22T18:10:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/21/warts-and-peace-a-trip-into-the-fevered-imagination-of-christopher-in-oregon/comment-page-2/#comment-115467 |
Also, Cool Whip! A lovely topping for the lactose intolerant. | 2012-01-22T02:52:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-6/#comment-115352 |
Actually, I have about 50 tabs open. That's really low, for me. | 2012-01-21T21:03:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-17/#comment-115294 |
Purity Bear is creepy. But whore bear is ADORABLE! |
2012-01-21T20:24:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/21/warts-and-peace-a-trip-into-the-fevered-imagination-of-christopher-in-oregon/comment-page-1/#comment-115283 |
Googling "whore bear" pulls up an odd assortment of images: http://images.google.com/images?q=whore+bear |
2012-01-21T19:52:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/21/warts-and-peace-a-trip-into-the-fevered-imagination-of-christopher-in-oregon/comment-page-1/#comment-115271 |
Aloren, I think you may be right, Whatever his sexuality, "confused" is obviously a part of it. | 2012-01-21T19:39:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/21/warts-and-peace-a-trip-into-the-fevered-imagination-of-christopher-in-oregon/comment-page-1/#comment-115266 |
To be fair, Katz, clowns ARE evil. Holly, I added your link to the piece. Thanks! Molly, all I can figure is that he still approves, sort of, of sex for procreation. But since he also seems to think all women are filthy whore-bears that all men should avoid, I'm not sure how he thinks procreation takes place, or even if he knows how procreation works. Maybe virgin births? |
2012-01-21T19:35:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/21/warts-and-peace-a-trip-into-the-fevered-imagination-of-christopher-in-oregon/comment-page-1/#comment-115263 |
Why oh why did I look at the spider pics? And read the spider comments. |
2012-01-21T05:38:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/20/life-before-feminism-a-map-of-the-open-country-of-a-womans-heart/comment-page-5/#comment-115165 |
LOLelam: http://bighugelabs.com/output/lolcat7ed68057bc4da585e9bc86e966319635cb8bba2a.jpg |
2012-01-20T18:27:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-9/#comment-114837 |
M Dubz, everyone deserves to see what you were referring to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvd6MBsiDBo And that's how a bill becomes a law! |
2012-01-20T18:15:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-16/#comment-114821 |
Bad news, folks. I was planning a pic-a-nic lunch sometime in July, but due to an unfortunate pull-out of logistical support I will be forced to eat a sandwich in my apartment instead. | 2012-01-20T15:35:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-8/#comment-114672 |
Also, we had a most unfortunate and sudden pull-out of needed logistical supportThat's what she said! (Sorry.) |
2012-01-20T15:25:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-8/#comment-114668 |
Oh no! "Logistical problems" have made it impossible to plan something involving a tiny number of people in a major city three months from now! I'm pretty sure most demonstrations are organized with less than 3 months. | 2012-01-20T15:24:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-8/#comment-114666 |
Oh my lord. I go offline for a couple of hours, and it's still going strong! Um, thank you? I love you guys. |
2012-01-19T23:58:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-13/#comment-114395 |
Viscaria, Return of the Jedi would have been so much better with kittens as ewoks! Or perhaps if every character was a kitten. Since that isn't ever going to happen, here's a feature film starring birds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxgQdDxTLIA |
2012-01-19T18:32:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-8/#comment-114060 |
I'd say about 30% of these are correct so far. | 2012-01-19T18:01:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-6/#comment-113921 |
Ami, forweg started celebrating Make Shit Up About Futrelle Day early. (He also made shit up about a bunch of commenters here too!) traitorsofmen.blogspot.com/2012/01/are-you-kids-ready-to-take-trip-to.html |
2012-01-19T17:20:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-4/#comment-113777 |
It's true about Chuck Norris and the pajamas. Also, does anyone know where I can order some more butterflies? The old ones died. (I mean the butterflies died. The Old Ones are merely slumbering. One day they will awaken! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!) |
2012-01-19T16:55:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-3/#comment-113725 |
One more thing on the lj4 situation. It's true that during one previous controversy I did tell lj4 that, like him, some of the forum mods may have overreacted (though I also told him that Snowy was right to lock down the thread that was at the heart of the controversy). Looking back on the situation, I don't think the mods overreacted. I think I underreacted to lj4's disruptive behavior; I should have asked lj4 to move along at that point. The mods were doing their job, properly. And I appreciate what they do to keep the conversations going in a productive (and non-annoying, and entertaining) way on the forum. I'm the one who screwed up here, not them. |
2012-01-19T16:42:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-6/#comment-113708 |
Also, MRAs love to talk about how being arrested as "kidnapping." They seem to think that you shouldn't be arrested before you've been convicted by a jury. Huh? Just a refresher, guys: arresting people is how the authorities make sure you show up for your trial. It's part of due process. If you tried someone for murder, or shoplifting, or whatever, and you had no way to compel the defendant to go to court to go to trial, that person would simply not show up. It's really not that hard to understand. It sucks that innocent people sometimes get arrested, but there's really no way to get around that. That said, cops can't simply arrest any random person they want to; they have to have a good reason to think that this person has committed a crime. Also, MRAs constantly spout nonsense about "mandatory arrests" in DV situations. It doesn't mean if cops get a DV call they have to arrest someone. It means they have to arrest someone if there is clear reason to believe that violence has occurred -- the point is to avoid situations in which the victims (out of fear or whatever) won't press charges. Sometimes men are arrested. Sometimes women are. Sometimes both partners are. |
2012-01-19T16:09:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-113669 |
Seriously, is this Make Up Shit About Futrelle Day?Every day is Make Up Shit About Futrelle Day in the manosphere! It's fairly rare for MRAs/MGTOWers/PUAs to say things about me that are actually true. But that thing about me being able to fly? that's true. |
2012-01-19T15:53:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-113652 |
Antz,others have already covered this topic pretty thoroughly, but just to make clear, but when I used the word "people" in that sentence I meant "people," not "people except men because i am an evil man-hating feminst." (I'm not, actually.) If a guy is seriously inebriated or unconscious, and a woman straps on a dildo and pegs him, she is raping him, even if he mumbled something about consent. If she does other sexual things to him, they may or may not fit the legal definition of rape, but they are still sexual assault. Also, the FBI cannot change the laws. That's not how the government works. The new FBI guidelines are for statistical purposes. All the laws about rape, for better or worse, are exactly the same as they were before the FBI changed its definition. |
2012-01-19T15:48:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-113647 |
Here's a link to the first of xanthe's comments: http://manboobz.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-4/#comment-113309 The other one is near the top of this page. |
2012-01-19T01:17:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-5/#comment-113456 |
xanthe, I don't know why, but your comments got caught in the real spam filter and I just let them through now. Just an FYI for everyone: I have two filters, a moderation filter (where first time commenters, banned people, and people using banned words go) and a spam filter (which usually only catches real spam). I check the moderation filter constantly, the spam filter every day or two. Sometimes for no reason I can tell, the spam filter grabs legitimate comments. If you've posted a comment and it hasn't gone up for a long time, let me know and I'll check the spam filter and see if it's there. |
2012-01-19T01:11:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-5/#comment-113455 |
Dan, I really don't have the patience for yet another outbreak of drama with you. I think it would be better for all involved, yourself included, if you found somewhere else to post. | 2012-01-19T00:36:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-5/#comment-113452 |
The Spearhead has a followup post, once again battling imaginary "lifeboat feminists," though the only person the post cites lamenting the end of "women and children" is a dude from the National Review (not a feminist publication). http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/288253/dude-where-s-my-lifeboat-rich-lowry |
2012-01-18T17:15:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-6/#comment-113282 |
MRAL, how was the captain of the Titanic NOT reckless? His crew told him,"hey, we can't see two feet in front of our face, and there are icebergs all over the place," and he was like "eh, big whoop! full speed ahead!" | 2012-01-18T15:26:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-4/#comment-113082 |
Jacques Futrelle’s indoctrination as to his own inherent worthlessness is what killed him, if he had the option to board a boat.Dude, really? You're going to tell me what my great-Grandfather was thinking? Jacques didn't think he was worthless. He had a pretty decent size ego. He was also a bit on the reckless side -- he was an early adopter of those newfangled automobiles and rode in cross-country races, when there were no real roads as we know them in the country, and which on occasion meant him driving into ditches. He refused to get on the lifeboat though his wife pleaded with him to. He was reportedly last seen standing on the deck smoking a cigar with John Jacob Astor. LIKE A BOSS. I guarantee you he wasn't thinking, I'm worthless, better let those superior ladies live rather than me. |
2012-01-18T14:54:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-3/#comment-113035 |
LJ, why do you feel the need to lecture LGBT people about LGBT issues? Do you not understand why this can be really fucking annoying to people? | 2012-01-18T14:25:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-4/#comment-112990 |
I love that the MRAs don't understand the real lesson of the Titanic, which is to HAVE ENOUGH LIFEBOATS FOR EVERYONE. Also, if you're a ship captain, and it's night, and there's zero visibility, don't order the ship to keep barreling ahead in an area of the ocean in which icebergs have been sighted very very recently. As I've pointed out before, my great-grandfather (Jacques Futrelle the mystery writer) actually died on the Titanic. He was a rich dude and could have survived, but he refused to get on the lifeboat my great-grandmother got onto. That was his choice. (Apparently he thought there was a chance he could get off the ship in a later lifeboat.) My conclusion from this is not CHIVALRY KILLED MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER. But THE WHITE STAR LINE KILLED MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER BECAUSE IT DIDN'T EQUIP THE TITANIC WITH ENOUGH LIFEBOATS AND OH YEAH THE CAPTAIN WAS AN IDIOT. I'm glad ONE of my great grandparents survived, because otherwise their kids (one of them being my grandfather) would have been orphans. (The kids weren't on the ship.) |
2012-01-18T14:02:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-2/#comment-112953 |
She wanted to be the girl in hot pants, working on her tan, holding the slow sign while getting construction worker wages.Uh, she's in England. I'm pretty sure no one in England has a tan, Also, she, er, doesn't seem to need a tan. Did you even click the link? |
2012-01-17T22:20:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/17/the-mens-rights-movement-in-interpretive-dance/comment-page-2/#comment-112674 |
Toysoldier offers his version of some of the discussion here: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/this-is-what-it-looks-like-v4/ I'm pretty sure the things he quotes don't actually show what he thinks they show. |
2012-01-17T06:19:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-4/#comment-112466 |
Eventually, the well of nonviolent activism runs dry.Really? MLK and other civil rights activists organized boycotts, marches, mass demonstrations in Washington. They engaged in consistent real-world activism for years and years, at great personal cost.They were met with fire hoses and dogs; civil rights workers and little girls in church were killed by racist white vigilantes. Somehow MLK kept to his message of nonviolence. What sort of "activism" has the MRM engaged in? An online petition or two? Some harassment of individuals? Have you guys organized any marches? Any real, focused boycotts? How can the "well of nonviolent MRM activism run dry" if you guys haven't even started digging it? |
2012-01-17T06:11:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/what-mlk-stood-for/comment-page-1/#comment-112464 |
Oh my lord, fidelbogen is the leading intellectual light of the MRM? That, Alek, is ... interesting to me, because (I hate to break it to you) sort of a blithering idiot.
The guy has scoured several hundred feminist books, thousands of books on gender, and does a ton of research behind the scene.I can only assume you mean "scoured" in the sense of "scouring the bathtub," because he clearly hasn't read any of them. (If he has, he's got what must be the world's worst reading comprehension.) But now that I know he's the best you guys have got, I guess I'll have to make fun of him more often. Which is good for me -- it's really, really easy. The only drawback is that it means actually reading his dreck. Oh, Alek, on that other thing you seem confused about: The topic of this blog is misogyny, not the MRM as such. I make no claim that all the people I write about here are MRAs, because they are quite clearly not. Here are a couple of ways to tell if I'm claiming someone is an MRA: I describe him as one,and put a little MRA tag at the end of the post. If you read the OP here again, you will see that I dont' call him an MRA, and there is no MRA tag. It's really not that hard to figure out. A lot of MRAs seem confused by this point, which leads me to conclude that they don't actually read anything I actually write here; rather, they assume things and attack me for the things they assume about me. That said, there is a lot of overlap between the MRAs, the MGOTWers the PUAs and the other less definable souls who make up the "manosphere." Lots of MRAs are also PUAs, or inflienced by their ideas. Other MRAs, like you, aren't into PUA. But to claim that Roissy and Ferdinand exist in some other universe? Please The ideas overlap, the obsessions overlap, the readership overlaps, the idiotic slang overlaps. I'm not the one who came up with or popularized the idea of the "manospehre"; you guys did. Also, AVFM links to only 5 blogs. In Mala Fide is one of them. |
2012-01-17T05:59:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/15/the-pussy-fountainhead/comment-page-3/#comment-112461 |
I can't believe no one's said anything about Megan Fox's pointy knees. | 2012-01-17T00:25:18-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/14/the-withered-cunty-heart-of-darkness-or-roissy-does-feminism/comment-page-5/#comment-112445 |
NWO, you do know that MLK (and civil rights activists in general) were met with state violence, and vigilante violence, and MLK still preached nonviolence? The MRM, by contrast, has been met with ... some people making jokes about them online, and quite a few MRAs have responded with threats and talk of violence. |
2012-01-17T00:17:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/what-mlk-stood-for/comment-page-1/#comment-112444 |
katz, I will make it my life's mission to figure out an excuse to use that picture as soon as possible. | 2012-01-16T22:53:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-2/#comment-112433 |
To be fair, Kyrie, the dictionary definition basically tells you how to make one: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/molotov%20cocktail That said, Ball went on to talk about what kind of bottle to use to make sure it works properly. |
2012-01-16T18:50:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/what-mlk-stood-for/comment-page-1/#comment-112291 |
"yet another," I believe. Or possibly "yellow anchovies." |
2012-01-16T17:00:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-112272 |
Alex, so who exactly are the top 5 MRA thinkers and authors? Could you name them? (I think I can guess who you think #1 is.) | 2012-01-16T16:43:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/15/the-pussy-fountainhead/comment-page-2/#comment-112266 |
Luke:
David, featuring YA shot of Victoria Jackson’s puffy, gormless mug lashing out at YA thing she does not understand is doing no favors for this site’s cause.Then maybe I'm a little confused as to what this site's cause is. Could you remind me? |
2012-01-16T16:37:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/breaking-dudes-on-the-spearhead-arent-big-fans-of-glee/comment-page-1/#comment-112265 |
Did anyone else notice DKM's invocation of Elaine Boosler as a horrible destroyer of traditional womanhood?
NOOOO!!! Not Elaine Boosler!!!
How can any little girl resist the soul-destroying siren song of that femdestroyer "comedianne" Elaine Boosler!!!
Sample quotes from her evil feminazi comedy routines:
My ancestors wandered lost in the wilderness for forty years because even in biblical times, men would not stop to ask for directions. When women are depressed, they eat or go shopping. Men invade another country. It's a whole different way of thinking. You never see a man walking down the street with a woman who has a little potbelly and a bald spot. |
2012-01-16T16:27:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/11/some-of-those-video-game-princesses-aint-so-peachy/comment-page-8/#comment-112262 |
Ullare, MLK, despite his flaws, had a profound ethical vision, and worked for years against great opposition to make this world a better place. He was killed for it. His presence on the earth made life better for millions of people.
Tom Ball engaged in one act of activism, killing himself in order to encourage other men to firebomb courthouses and police stations. He was the ethical equivalent of a suicide bomber.
For sample quotes from MLK, see above.
Some sample quotes from Ball:
And boys, do not try to burn down Washington’s Dept. of Justice Building in an effort to get rid of the Office of Violence Against Women. Their offices are over at N Street.and this: If they think Al Qaeda is a pain in the ass, wait to they see what Americans can do once their fuse is lit.and this: The easiest way of burning a building is with the Molotov cocktail. It was invented by the Finns when the Soviets invaded in 1939. You fill a bottle with gasoline and stuff a rag in the end for a wick. You light the wick and throw bottle, It shatters on impact spraying gas everywhere and the wick ignites the gas. |
2012-01-16T16:08:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/16/what-mlk-stood-for/comment-page-1/#comment-112259 |
.... and forweg is banned. Here's a hint, dude: if someone doesn't want their personal info up on the internet, you don't go around asking people who are hostile to that person to track down pictures of that person for you, so you can post them on your blog. Well, actually, that's what you don't do if you're a decent human being. But since you are evidently not one, that's what you in fact just did. So you can't comment here any more. |
2012-01-15T21:52:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/15/the-pussy-fountainhead/comment-page-2/#comment-111983 |
You may have posted about the "pussy fountain" first, forweg, but I was planning on posting about it even before I saw your post! (Seriously, I was.) I'm currently working on a post titled "David Futrelle's Propaganda Dissected, Part 3." Which is completely original! |
2012-01-15T20:25:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/15/the-pussy-fountainhead/comment-page-1/#comment-111931 |
I met someone on Youtube who thought we piss out of our clitoris.This should become a meme! I met someone on Youtube who thought elephants peed through their trunks. I met someone on Youtube who thought that France was a city in the country of Europe. I met someone on Youtube who thought that all cats were girls. |
2012-01-15T19:50:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/15/the-pussy-fountainhead/comment-page-1/#comment-111919 |
Socially awkward gals get "friendzoned" too! http://unknowablewoman.tumblr.com/post/15874385001/okay-so-i-am-the-anon-from-last-night-the-guy-i-was Not clear if she is a "Nice GirlTM" b/c she doesn't declare him and all men evil bastards. Though she does seem to think that she's entitled to him b/c she listened to him for three weeks. |
2012-01-15T19:46:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/15/the-pussy-fountainhead/comment-page-1/#comment-111917 |
Ozy, so the blog is Man Boobz Prime? That's sort of excellent. It makes me feel all science fictiony. |
2012-01-15T19:28:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/15/vamps-and-tramps-but-no-camille-paglia/comment-page-1/#comment-111906 |
NOTE TO TOYSOLDIER: This is what you wrote to try to "prove" that I had "mocked" Ball:
To mock means, “to attack or treat with ridicule, contempt, or derision.” That means that if a person says they killed themselves over the pain of their divorce and custody problems, and someone then says that the person actually killed themselves out of revenge based on no evidence other than a dislike of the views the person held, that is mockery because they are treating the person with contempt and derision. That is what Marcotte did in her comment and her post, and you wrote a post highlighting and agreeing with it.(Emphasis mine.) I'm pretty sure that speculating on why someone did something does not count as mockery. I think it counts as speculation. Also, you assert that Marcotte's opinions were based on no evidence other than a dislike of the views the person held,In fact, Marcotte's post on the subject spelled out the evidence and the logic behind her speculation, citing specific passages in Ball's manifesto that supported her speculative argument. You may not agree with her speculation, but you cannot deny that she has reasons for it, and that these reasons are based in part on evidence in Ball's manifesto -- notably, his admission that he had abused a child. So in other words, you are misrepresenting her. As you so often do with your opponents. http://manboobz.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/ http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/wingnut_bloggers_rally_behind_a_violent_call_for_revolution Oh, there's mockery in Marcotte's post, to be sure, but it isn't directed at Ball -- it's directed at those who are treating him as a martyr, rather than (as I think would be more appropriate) as the moral equivalent of a suicide bomber. EDIT: I added some stuff to this and made other edits to this comment shortly after I posted it. |
2012-01-15T18:57:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-4/#comment-111900 |
Would a Hitler boner need a little mustache and a hat and a swastika penis-band? | 2012-01-15T03:10:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/14/the-withered-cunty-heart-of-darkness-or-roissy-does-feminism/comment-page-2/#comment-111716 |
Toysoldier offers a withering critique of my post: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/01/15/a-does-of-godwin-style-stupid-v-58/ Wait, did I say "withering?" I meant "withered." Note to Toysoldier: You really think it's some crazy coincidence that Roissy has all those racists in his comment section? He links to a bunch of "alternative right" websites -- "alternative right" meaning "racist with intellectual pretensions." Sort of like, you know, Hitler? |
2012-01-15T01:51:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/14/the-withered-cunty-heart-of-darkness-or-roissy-does-feminism/comment-page-2/#comment-111711 |
Crumb, Roissy isn't the king of PUAland overall, but he's sort of the king of the PUA sites that are also heavily into MRA-type-bullshit. | 2012-01-14T17:20:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/14/the-withered-cunty-heart-of-darkness-or-roissy-does-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-111585 |
forweg, I just cut and pasted the sections of the manifesto directly relating to his call for terrorism into a document; it adds up to more than 1300 words. It's not "cherry picking a few lines." It's the whole point of the thing. |
2012-01-13T22:24:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-4/#comment-111418 |
Also, forweg, it was a lot more than a few lines. He devoted a significant portion of the manifesto to
1) explaining why he thought courts/police, etc are "collaborators"
2) urging men to literally firebomb courthouses and police stations
3) explaining how to make effective Molotov cocktails
And I only quoted a portion of the relevant sections; I left out, for example, this:
And boys, do not try to burn down Washington’s Dept. of Justice Building in an effort to get rid of the Office of Violence Against Women. Their offices are over at N Street.and this: If they think Al Qaeda is a pain in the ass, wait to they see what Americans can do once their fuse is lit.Lots more where that came from. |
2012-01-13T22:18:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-4/#comment-111414 |
Toysoldier: Your attempt to show that I "mocked" Ball: 1) Misrepresented what I wrote 2) Misrepresented what Marcotte wrote and 3) misrepresented what it means to "mock." So you are done here. forweg: It doesn't matter what percentage of the manifesto was given over to Ball's advocacy of terrorism. Ball wrote the manifesto, and killed himself, in what he made very clear was an attempt to inspire others to commit terrorism. That was the point. AVfM has written glowingly of Ball, and has never disowned his advocacy of terrorism. The new AVfM theme song says of Ball: "His death will not go in vain." Elam posted the manifesto in his "activism" section on the website. The only "activism" Ball endorsed was firebombing government buildings. If Elam does not support Ball's call for terrorism, why does he have the manifesto up on his "activism" page? If Elam does not support Ball's call for terrorism, why has he not publicly disavowed it in clear and unambiguous terms? |
2012-01-13T21:57:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-4/#comment-111407 |
After reading back through a bunch of your comments, TS, I find myself thoroughly sick of your bullshit. So if you want to keep commenting here, I ask you one thing: You've repeatedly referred to me writing a post "mocking" Thomas Ball. I want you to provide a quote from me that "mocks" him. Not a quote from me criticizing his advocacy of terrorism, but one MOCKING him. If you can find such a quote from me, you can keep posting here. If you can't find such a quote (and you won't), admit that you are wrong, and stop referring to my post as "mocking." If you can't do one or the other, then you're done commenting here. |
2012-01-13T18:34:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-4/#comment-111273 |
Ponkz, you did not express sympathyYou really have trouble seeing reality, don't you? Ponkz very clearly did express sympathy, as have many people here. Ponkz then went on to criticize you. It's possible to express sympathy for someone who has been abused AND ALSO to disagree with that person, find that person objectionable, etc. There are numerous commenters here who have been abused. You seem to have no trouble attacking their views, calling them liars, etc etc. |
2012-01-13T18:12:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-4/#comment-111268 |
I thought the gist of Futrelle’s post was that men don’t face any real problems in life. Strange.Nope. Here's the point: Elam's site has apparently been getting some more traffic lately because an Australian journalist did a blog post mentioning it. So Elam takes the opportunity to set forth a bullet-pointed list that he thinks shows what horrible oppression men face. Most of the items on the list are ridiculous. A couple refer to real issues, but these issues aren't caused in any way or form by the evil feminists he goes on about. This was also the case with the AVfM song. door holding, really?? Elam doesn't seem much interested in actually helping men. He seems far more interested in coming up with random shit to get mad at women and feminists about. I've written about numerous issues faced by men on this blog. Take prison rape. Because there are far more men than women in prison, this is an issue that mostly affects men. When MRAs talk about prison rape it's all "men get raped more than women [false], argle bargle false accustions slutwalks." It becomes another excuse to get mad at feminists. Has Elam ever actually talked about or linked to organizations that ACTUALLY TRY TO COMBAT PRISON RAPE, like Just Detention? If you asked a feminist activist what the big issues facing women were, you'd likely get a list of specific real-world issues that feminist and other activist organizations actually attempt to deal with in a practical way. With MRAs, as was the case with this post from Elam, it's a flurry of weird little news items that make them mad. Consider the vast number of "women behaving badly" posts about women abusers and other (alleged) criminals you see on r/mensrights all the time to the almost complete lack of similar "men behaving badly" posts on feminist blogs. Despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of crime is committed by men and that it would be really really easy to come up with endless examples of really vile crimes. But that's not the point, because mainstream feminism isn't all about "men are evil assholes argle bargle fuck their shit up!" What they hell kind of activist slogan is "fuck their shit up" anyway? I've run across a few anarchists in my day who might have found that slogan appealing, but most of them were teenagers and got over it. |
2012-01-13T16:07:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/13/feminist-koalas-and-other-grave-injustices-faced-by-men/comment-page-4/#comment-111168 |
MRAL, many of us are annoyed/pissed/whatever because we keep cutting you slack again and again -- even when you were at your abusive "trolling" worst people genuinely tried to talk to you and help you deal with your issues,etc. You'll behave better for a little while but every time you end up reverting to your old ways (like throwing in a gratuitous references to "fat chicks, ha ha" in your comments here earlier). And then you issue "apologies" which are self-pitying and accusatory. This is not the place to process your anger issues, especially if you idea of processing them is to lash out, then say, my bad, why is everyone mad at me? |
2012-01-13T01:23:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-6/#comment-110830 |
I'm pretty sure you're the only one talking about burnt fetuses, forwyg. | 2012-01-13T01:12:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/12/does-a-voice-for-men-really-think-that-firebombing-is-a-form-of-non-violence/comment-page-3/#comment-110828 |
You are all appointed! Crumb, I think I might miss that rally. I'd like to propose that from now on we refer to it as the Million MRA March. |
2012-01-12T22:52:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/12/does-a-voice-for-men-really-think-that-firebombing-is-a-form-of-non-violence/comment-page-3/#comment-110784 |
I've noticed that Elam is now giving people associated with his site little titles -- he's got a "managing editor" and a "research editor" and maybe more? Obviously this is a great idea. Because nothing says nothing says "real serious web publication and not some dude's collection of rants with some by his friends too" than having a bunch of "editors." So I would like to appoint some of you as fake editors too! You can choose to be either a Man Boobz editor OR a Voice for Men editor. Or both! None of these jobs involve any responsibilities whatsoever. You have to make up your own titles, though. For example, I've appointed myself Man Boobz Assistant Regional Managing Editor, as well as Deputy Associate Kitten Edtior. And I've also appointed myself Incoherent Yelling at Ladies on the Street Editor for AVfM. Your turn! |
2012-01-12T22:36:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/12/does-a-voice-for-men-really-think-that-firebombing-is-a-form-of-non-violence/comment-page-3/#comment-110773 |
kladle, excellent!! Happy Anti-MRA, to be fair, I am fatter than Bernard Chapin. So here's the basic comparison: Me = Fatter Bernard Chapin = More Bernard Chapin-y I'm still way, way ahead, as you can see. forweg, welcome back and enjoy your stay! |
2012-01-12T22:15:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/12/does-a-voice-for-men-really-think-that-firebombing-is-a-form-of-non-violence/comment-page-2/#comment-110766 |
“You may want to re-anylize your opinions about that skirt chasing scumbag futrellle. He one massively creepy ass mofo. futrelle is no egalitarian. Even most “nasty” MRA’s employ more egality than he. futrelle, especially by way of comparison, utilizes none at all.”I kind of love this. Also, I sort of have the "prechorus" of the AVfM theme song stuck in my head. Except I change the lyrics to reflect whatever is going on in the real world. It's snowing outside: The time has come to snow your shit up The time has come to snow your shit up The time has come to snow your shit up The cat needs to be fed: the time has come to feed my cat up The time has come to feed my cat up The time has come to feed my cat up The possibilities are endless! |
2012-01-12T15:42:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/12/does-a-voice-for-men-really-think-that-firebombing-is-a-form-of-non-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-110654 |
DKM, you are aware that chess has a piece called "the queen," and that she's actually more powerful than that wimpy old king, not to mention all the other pieces? | 2012-01-11T17:51:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/11/some-of-those-video-game-princesses-aint-so-peachy/comment-page-3/#comment-110365 |
More formerly moderated comments:
Blueinkedpalm | January 11, 2012 at 12:13 pmI remember about 12 years ago playing the Baldur’s Gate rpg series and there were some romance dialog paths between your character and some of the women who could join your group but you had to treat them very nice. You couldn’t give them any attitude or make fun of them otherwise it would be over.Hey, that’s not fair! One of the women who can romance you in Baldur’s Gate will dump you if you are too much of a pushover and not mean enough. Whereas if you play as a woman, you have only one love interest instead of three and he definitely will dump you even if you are only a little mean to him. Also on that note in Baldur’s Gate oppression of men, if you tell the wingless winged elf that you were thinking of having sex with her but just can’t get over those horrible scarred lumps on her back, she will dump you and leave; and if you tell the fighting widow that her dead husband was a weakling who deserved his fate, she will also dump you and leave. Major Kong | January 11, 2012 at 12:28 pm “The nuns had an attack 20% -40% higher than most units in the game.” My father went to Catholic school in the 1950s. The way he described nuns, I’m surprised the number isn’t higher. I think I’d rather face a feudal warlord. Trudy | January 11, 2012 at 3:15 pm Can’t tell if Meller is a troll, being sarcastic, or really believes what he’s espousing. chibigodzilla | January 11, 2012 at 3:21 pm Um, taking a look at the Total War Center Wiki the only female units (in Shogun 2) I can find are Onna Bushi which are not definitely not nuns and their melee attack is only 10. I count 14 different units (excluding hero units which I assume are intended to be rare and more powerful) that have higher melee damage. Plus, I recall that in the original Shogun (released over 10 years ago), the most skilled assassin was the Geisha, but I suppose that is ok for these guys because the geisha aren’t useful in melee combat. (Note: Said wiki doesn’t appear to have any info on units that may have been added in the various expansions) |
2012-01-11T17:49:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/11/some-of-those-video-game-princesses-aint-so-peachy/comment-page-3/#comment-110363 |
Hey hey. A bunch of comments from new commenters got stuck in moderation; I let them through,but they're a few pages back, so here they are again. (If I missed any, let me know.)
ohmycarling | January 11, 2012 at 10:33 am point one: my mother was the top marksperson in her government training class, of approximately 200 men and women (in the 1980s, so probably mostly men). point two: OMG I KNOW RIGHT I CAN’T DO ANYTHING WHEN I HAVE MY PERIOD LOL LOL LOL I’M JUST GLAD NONE OF MY FRIENDS HAVE NOTICED I COMPLETELY DISAPPEAR AND STOP GOING TO WORK FOR A WEEK OUT OF EVERY MONTH LOL Cagliostro | January 11, 2012 at 10:58 am Dave probably tried to romance Viconia … first fanboyish irreal-crush of my life. Well, drow are not for the ogrish. Major Kong | January 11, 2012 at 10:59 am This guy has obviously never seen my wife shoot 1-inch groups with her Colt Python .357 Falconer | January 11, 2012 at 12:06 pm @darksidecat: Perhaps it has something to do with the sword or the gun or whatever being a stand-in for their penis. Only men have penises, therefore only men can use guns properly. Women who try to use guns are attempting to appropriate the penis for themselves, and not having one of their own, they fail at it. Or something. The above was not a serious attempt to explain How Things Is. I am very thankful that Bioware and Bethesda and game companies like that take pains to make sure you can play a woman or a man in their games and the games themselves don’t treat you any different. I have seen the “women should take a hit to strength and/or intelligence” argument in the realm of tabletop RPGs. One person wrote in to Dragon Magazine round about 2001 and was magnanimously offering to allow women characters to bear children in exchange for a -2 to Strength, while men characters got +2 Strength and the ability to father children. I keep trying to show people that folks who play D&D aren’t pimply lonely teens with poor hygiene, but sometimes it’s hard … |
2012-01-11T17:29:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/11/some-of-those-video-game-princesses-aint-so-peachy/comment-page-3/#comment-110352 |
MRAL, here's an answer to your prayers: http://www.empathybelly.org/home.html |
2012-01-11T00:14:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/10/spearheader-put-american-women-in-burqas-for-their-obese-figures-and-even-more-obese-whining-mouths/comment-page-3/#comment-110035 |
david futrelle uses a TON of John Wayne Gacy style tactics to lure in his victims (supporters).Goddamn it. I wonder if I can return the clown costume? |
2012-01-10T23:53:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-4/#comment-110033 |
I think Raoul is just fucking with us. | 2012-01-10T21:56:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/10/spearheader-put-american-women-in-burqas-for-their-obese-figures-and-even-more-obese-whining-mouths/comment-page-2/#comment-109942 |
A thoughtful response to this post from Bernard Chapin: http://www.avoiceformen.com/video/feminist-fatboy/ |
2012-01-10T16:10:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-4/#comment-109860 |
Can we move on from this derail? There is nothing more of interest to be said about it on either side. | 2012-01-10T00:26:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/07/vectorman-vs-the-space-libbers/comment-page-2/#comment-109761 |
(ps news years resolution is to get a troll of the year award for 2012)Oh, rper, I hate to tell you, but you're no NWOslave. Not only did the recently crowned troll of the year post more than 2600 comments here last year, but his comments were often virtual manifestos, many of them filled with a variety of truly original "facts" about the world we live in today. So far you've posted two not very interesting or original little comments. You're really going to have to step it up if you want to even make it into the top 20 trolls for 2012. |
2012-01-09T23:09:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-3/#comment-109744 |
We hunted the mammoth for you on our hunts Yet you won't shave the hair on your cunts How come you won't live like in Slave Girl of Gor Yet you still want us to hold open the door Oh, man., that's just too darn gosh GOOD to be a good parody. |
2012-01-09T19:32:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-109665 |
Hey, I'm working on a Poem Against Misandry. What rhymes with "cunt?" | 2012-01-09T19:22:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-109652 |
Oh my god Artistry Against Misandry also has poetry. | 2012-01-09T18:58:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-109633 |
Oh lordy. I just went to Artistry Against Misandry's graphic art page http://www.artistryagainstmisandry.com/Graphic-Art.html The one from JAck Riley is amazing., If only they had it in higher resolution! |
2012-01-09T18:19:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-109604 |
Just to baffle rper even more: here's a female empowerment song that's from the 1970s AND the 2000s -- at the same time! It's a Yoko Ono song radically remixed by Le Tigre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyMa67xlC_A Also, I'm pretty sure that the mere existence of Yoko Ono enrages MRAs, so here's more Yoko, just because. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SqHx5k_DlM |
2012-01-09T18:01:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-109595 |
Toysoldier, please link to the specific comment you are referring to, not the entire thread. | 2012-01-09T17:32:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-4/#comment-109572 |
Also, rper, here's a song from "my side of the divide." Just try to rebut this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=8coPXbrIvcg |
2012-01-09T17:24:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-109564 |
Anything new from your side of the divide David since ” I am woman hear me roar?”You guys really have no idea how hilarious you are, do you? It's sort of adorable, really. |
2012-01-09T17:18:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/09/the-all-singing-all-dancing-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-109557 |
Crumb, there are some more moderate MRAs -- there are people who post on the men's rights subreddit who criticize misogynistic comments there, for example. But the spearhead is fairly typical of MRA sites outside of r/mensrights. It's a bit more traditionalist than some sites, but the misogyny there is about the same as the misogyny elsewhere in the "manosphere." The manhood academy people are a little more extreme, but I think the main reason other MRAs hate them is that the people there have called some prominent MRAs "manginas" and the like, and also because they have a habit of spamming MRA forums. |
2012-01-07T16:39:15-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/07/vectorman-vs-the-space-libbers/comment-page-1/#comment-109129 |
Also, as Capt. bathrobe said, Marcotte didn't mock him. | 2012-01-07T16:04:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-3/#comment-109119 |
Toysoldier, once again you're being completely dishonest. This is what you said in hyour earlier comment:
you wrote a post mocking a man who burned himself to death several of your regulars continued to make fun of the guy for killing himself, which you later defended.1) I did not make a post mocking him 2) There were not "several" commenters who had made fun of him, nor did "they" "continue" to make fun of him (since "they" hadn't made fun of him in the first place) 3) I did not "defend" this thing, because it never happened, and because I don't think Tom Ball deserves mockery. He was obviously a man in great pain. But he also ADVOCATED TERRORISM, specifically firebombing courthouses and police stations, even though he knew this would likely kill people. Basically, your version of events here is completely made up. On to your current comment: 4) One person made a comment calling Ball "kindling." Numerous people (at least five) criticized him for it, including me. 5) I was holding AVfM ot the same standard it holds the RedFem hum to. That's why I used the phrase "underbelly of a hate movement," and linked to a post on AVfM that used that term. 6) If you think I'm judging AVFM based on this one comment, I invite you to read my numerous other posts here on AVFM. Or simply to read the articles and comments there. At this point I'm putting you on moderation for your continued misrepresentations, a clear and repeated violation of my comment policy. EDITED: I made a few changes to this comment immediately after I posted it. |
2012-01-07T16:00:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-3/#comment-109117 |
Lola, it's great to hear from you. I'm going to have to go back and read some more from your blog -- alas, I don't know Portuguese, and Google's translation is pretty rough, but hopefully I'll be able to get the basic gist of it. That video you posted about was really very sweet. It's funny how angrily the MRAs reacted to it -- presumably because it challenges their little orthodoxies about alphas and betas and all that. MRAs and pickup artists here would have reacted exactly the same way to it. I had never heard of that attack in Rio. It sounds very similar to the Lepine shooting in Montreal. What was the name of the shooter? Sorry to hear you've been getting threats. That's pretty typical behavior for these guys, unfortunately. Let's definitely keep in touch! |
2012-01-07T00:58:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/links-jezebel-on-mras-and-american-woman-haters-plus-a-fan-in-brazil/comment-page-1/#comment-109001 |
I fixed the quote in your comment, Crumb. Because I am awesome like that. |
2012-01-06T21:47:50-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/links-jezebel-on-mras-and-american-woman-haters-plus-a-fan-in-brazil/comment-page-1/#comment-108968 |
Oh, and another thing about Fidelbogen's piece: He makes a big deal of saying that Dines is NOT a radical feminist.
Which is odd, because she, er, IS a radical feminist. For example, in this interview, which I found on her web site after one simple Google search, she says:
The place where I discovered my power was radical feminism. When I read Andrea Dworkin’s work my life was turned upside down. All of a sudden I could make sense of my life and understand why I was treated the way I was. ... In radical feminism we don’t talk about empowerment of the individual but rather collective liberation for women as a class.http://gaildines.com/2009/09/so-you-think-you-know-what-porn-is/ And, oh wait here's another: As a radical feminist I object to any person being subordinated. Turning the tables and oppressing men is not my goal. ...http://gaildines.com/2009/09/pornography-is-a-left-issue/ MRAs: if they ever get anything right about feminism, it'll be by accident. |
2012-01-06T16:08:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-108881 |
Also, toysoldier, I've said it before and I've said it again: no one here mocked Tom Ball (with the exception of one commenter who was roundly criticized by the regulars). We criticized him for ADVOCATING TERRORISTIC FIREBOMBING OF COURTS AND POLICE STATIONS. You've repeated this lie several times, even after being corrected on it by me and others. Either you're oblivious to what others say, or you're simply being dishonest. This is why it's impossible to have real discussion with you. |
2012-01-06T15:58:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-108879 |
Mr. Meller, your comments went into moderation because you logged in with different info than you usually use -- for example, leaving out the middle initial -- so wordpress considered you a first-time commenter. I've let all your comments through and you shouldn't have any trouble from this point. PEACE AND FREEDOM! FLIES AND VINEGAR! | 2012-01-06T15:53:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/06/mras-lets-bring-back-torture-devices-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-108876 |
Looking at the comments over on CH: 1) Apparently Roissy meant to say "Gossip Girl." Which just highlights the hidden dangers of hitting on girls half your age by pretending to be into the same shows they are: how can you keep it all straight? (Also, how fucking creepy is the idea of some 40something dudes boning up on Glee or Gossip Girl so they can try to con some 20 year old to sleep with them? ) 2) Lots of the guys there said they'd rather stay home with their hands rather than have to learn shit about Glee. Which actually isn't a bad response. 3) Wouldn't it be much more creative to hit on girls by comparing them to characters in long-forgotten 70s shows? Like, say, McMillan and Wife? |
2012-01-06T08:05:13-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/05/how-to-spot-a-feminist/comment-page-10/#comment-108775 |
sorka, oh my fucking god, he's also trying to convince his readers that all the hot 20 year olds are into ... Gilmore Girls. Hasn't that show been off the air for years? Is "Heartiste" really a PUA guru or is this all some elaborate hoax? |
2012-01-06T05:32:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/05/how-to-spot-a-feminist/comment-page-10/#comment-108764 |
Getting back to the OP, it seems clear to me that some of the people posting in this thread are feminists, though inexplicably there has been very little screaming about patriarchy. | 2012-01-05T19:06:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/05/how-to-spot-a-feminist/comment-page-7/#comment-108525 |
In case anyone is wondering about the mice in the bicycle-lady cartoon, they're there to show that unlike the "old woman" the "new woman" isn't afraid of mice! You can see a picture of the "old woman" behind here who is afraid of mice.
Also, here are a couple of posts that were in moderation for awhile; just wanted to make sure everyone got to see them: The second, shorter one is kind of hilarious.
Roscoe P. Coltrane | January 5, 2012 at 11:01 am To my mind, there are two distinct issues in play here: 1. A man’s perception of his own emasculation 2. The genuineness of a man’s emasculation In my experience, most feminists will freely acknowledge that perceived emasculation exists, even that it is pervasive among many men. But most feminists will usually attribute a man’s perceived emasculation to his perceived loss of power and privilege. They will then go on to agree that in feminism’s wake, men have indeed lost some gender-based powers and privileges, and being feminists they will probably consider this transfer of power from men to women be a good thing in the name of equality. They will then proscribe a solution to the man who perceives himself as emasculated. He should identify his perception of emasculation with an irrational fear of losing his unjust privileges, embrace the loss of his privileges, and get over himself. His emasculation was never genuine; he just “felt” emasculated because he was not enjoying being rightfully taken down a notch or two. In my experience, that’s the feminist view of emasculation; emasculation is just a misconception of justice manifesting itself. The misconception of emasculation is born out of male power and privilege, says the feminist, and the sooner that you as a man learn to embrace the justice of your own loss of power and privilege, the sooner you’ll grow as a human being. But what gets left unaddressed amidst the feminist rhetoric is whether the man in question genuinely was emasculated. I wonder if feminists even consider it possible for a man to be genuinely emasculated, with this being considered a negative thing. If a man can genuinely be emasculated, then I ask where is the empathy? This blog is devoted to mocking misogyny, but I suspect that the author believes that it necessarily indicates misogyny when a man feels emasculated. But does David actually acknowledge that the perception of one’s emasculation may also be born out of the genuineness of one’s emasculation? Does he consider genuine emasculation to be even possible? And if so, more importantly, does he care? And if so, then what is his advice for a man who has been genuinely emasculated? I fear that even genuine emasculation — not just perceived loss of power and privilege — is something that the feminist would encourage men to embrace as a positive thing. Masculinity? Who needs it! says the feminist. John O. Merd, Esq. | January 5, 2012 at 1:43 pm Dear Dave Futile: How do you manage to write such mediocre material and get approximately a dozen women to post comments at one-minute intervals for hours on end? 9:26am, 9:27am. 9:28am, etc., etc., etc. That’s amazing! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/alles_moegliche/mixed-smiley-023.gif |
2012-01-05T16:57:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/04/bicycle-riding-ladies-and-other-threats-to-manly-order/comment-page-2/#comment-108372 |
Woah, I have reached the end of the thread. Well, for now. I have nothing to add. |
2012-01-05T05:05:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/03/manosphere-dudes-lets-set-up-fake-feminist-blogs-to-take-down-feminism/comment-page-16/#comment-107998 |
There are a couple of people I've banned here who keep leaving comments anyway; the most persistent one left one earlier today in which he referred to Betty Friedan’s The Feminine Mystique as
the Mein Kampf of the the feminist movement.Which is a bit like describing Justin Bieber as a punk rocker. I'm beginning to think that there's not even one single MRA who's ever actually read The Feminine Mystique. |
2012-01-04T16:47:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/03/manosphere-dudes-lets-set-up-fake-feminist-blogs-to-take-down-feminism/comment-page-11/#comment-107529 |
katz, this was before television. Mice had to watch something to entertain themselves. | 2012-01-03T21:04:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/03/remember-that-velocepede-riding-lady-pic-from-a-couple-of-posts-back-kate-beaton-made-a-cartoon-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-107082 |
Are you suggesting Meller is a Reptilian? | 2012-01-03T20:57:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/man-boobz-troll-and-trollhunter-of-the-year-awards-send-in-your-nominations/comment-page-6/#comment-107076 |
Leni, sorry, that comment of mine was because I thought someone was referring to alphalady by your name and I was wondering why; then I realized I'd misread the comment and I edited my comment and left the "oops" remark. | 2012-01-03T20:49:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/02/russell-brand-deals-the-feminist-conspiracy-a-serious-setback-but-operation-alimony-will-prevail/comment-page-9/#comment-107067 |
Grinner said:
So I’m not sure where to put this, and it’s kinda out of left field, but has anyone seen the new My Strength is Not for Hurting anti-rape ads targeting men? Here is the link: http://www.mystrength.org/ It’s a really awesome campaign, and seems to be better than most anti-rape campaigns I’ve seenHuh. Given that this is a thread about MRAs pretending to be feminists, that the only people I've ever seen discussing this particular ad campaign have been MRAs, forgive me for being a tad skeptical about your comment. But, hey, let's assume for a moment that your comment is sincere. Just why do you think this is an awesome campaign? |
2012-01-03T19:34:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/03/manosphere-dudes-lets-set-up-fake-feminist-blogs-to-take-down-feminism/comment-page-4/#comment-107017 |
Cassandra, her IP doesn't match up with anyone else posting here. | 2012-01-03T03:39:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/02/russell-brand-deals-the-feminist-conspiracy-a-serious-setback-but-operation-alimony-will-prevail/comment-page-8/#comment-106659 |
(in that comment before I edited it) | 2012-01-03T02:37:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/02/russell-brand-deals-the-feminist-conspiracy-a-serious-setback-but-operation-alimony-will-prevail/comment-page-8/#comment-106635 |
oops never mind what I wrote here. | 2012-01-03T02:36:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/02/russell-brand-deals-the-feminist-conspiracy-a-serious-setback-but-operation-alimony-will-prevail/comment-page-8/#comment-106634 |
Note: This is actually how almost all movies are structured. See Syd Field's classic "Screenplay." | 2012-01-03T02:03:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/02/russell-brand-deals-the-feminist-conspiracy-a-serious-setback-but-operation-alimony-will-prevail/comment-page-8/#comment-106603 |
I'm trying to plot out this thread as if it's a screenplay. Act 1 (the setup): Man Boobzers respond to some MRA goofiness about Russell Brand and Katy Perry getting divorced Break into Act two: A wild MRAL appears, talking about "entitled bitches." Act Two: The MRAL show Discussion of MRAL's party story, big boobs, relative hotness of various celebrities. This all sounds vaguely familiar -- is MRAL returning to his old ways? MRAL sort of apologizes, but not everyone is being forgiving. Midpoint of Act 2, the "shit gets real" moment: MRAL brings out Dad2boys in an attempt to humorously change the subject. But it's too late! No one bites! Shit just got real! Act 2, part 2: Traditionally, this is where things get tough for the hero(ine) of the movie, bad guys move in, etc etc. An assortment of Man Boobz regulars express their frustration with the "new" MRAL -- is he no better than the old MRAL? Things are looking tough for MRAL! We're approaching the "everything looks hopeless" moment in the film, which typically leads to act 3, the thrilling conclusion. Is MRAL doomed? Can he figure out a way to redeem himself? Then, suddenly, it's all about bra sizing! Oh, sure, there was some talk about boobs before, but no one saw THIS twist coming! ACT 3 is all bras! M. Night Shyamalin, or however you spell his name, eat your heart out! And then, oh, I forgot, there was a subplot introduced somewhere in act 2, in which alphalady said some stuff about positive self-image that other people didn't like, Suddenly -- it's another twist! -- this becomes the topic of the day! Alphalady, it turns out, had gone to another website and complained about how mean people were here, then came back here and said sarcastic things, and then asked why people were being hostile! Is this still act 4? Or is this act 4? But movies don't have 4 acts! (Unless you count act 2 as 2 acts.) What is going on! How will this movie end! |
2012-01-03T02:02:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/02/russell-brand-deals-the-feminist-conspiracy-a-serious-setback-but-operation-alimony-will-prevail/comment-page-8/#comment-106600 |
Boy, this thread has been like a really long movie with about three different surprise endings, and probably a few more to come! | 2012-01-03T01:26:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/02/russell-brand-deals-the-feminist-conspiracy-a-serious-setback-but-operation-alimony-will-prevail/comment-page-7/#comment-106552 |
Alphalady, your comment (and the several duplicates that you posted afterwards) got caught by the spam filter; I just let the original one through. | 2012-01-03T00:19:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/misogyny-to-the-maxd-women-are-liabilities-in-our-technological-culture-also-theyre-fat/comment-page-7/#comment-106512 |
To those who are suggesting it, yeah, I've been meaning to do something on Shrink4Men. This thread generally: It looks like the MRAL derail has colled off, but if I'd gotten here sooner I would have shut that shit down and put MRAL on moderation. It's not just annoying, but we've had the same exact discussion here again and again and it's really tiresome. MRAL: I don't want to have to put you on moderation again. Just drop this shit. Don't post here when you're pissed off about this shit; I don't think it's helpful for you or for anyone else here. Please, let's talk about MRAs! Or kitties! |
2012-01-02T16:36:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/01/02/russell-brand-deals-the-feminist-conspiracy-a-serious-setback-but-operation-alimony-will-prevail/comment-page-3/#comment-106281 |
I don't know what NWO is talking about with that whole "if evolution is right we'd have superdogs" thing, because obviously there ARE superdogs: http://onetensullivan.com/jerry/uploaded_images/superdog-721096.jpg |
2012-01-01T22:42:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/31/nwoslave-is-the-2011-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year/comment-page-2/#comment-105992 |
NWO, I eagerly await your full defense of the Book of Learnin. And, again, congrats. On ballot box stuffing: In order to vote more than once, people would have to vote using separate devices from separate !P addresses. |
2012-01-01T16:59:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/31/nwoslave-is-the-2011-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year/comment-page-2/#comment-105835 |
Sniper, not sure what happened, sign up again and I'll approve it. | 2011-12-31T19:22:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/30/polling-is-open-vote-for-your-favorite-man-boobz-troll-over-there-on-the-right/comment-page-6/#comment-105681 |
Orion, do you have a manboobz forum account? | 2011-12-31T18:27:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/30/polling-is-open-vote-for-your-favorite-man-boobz-troll-over-there-on-the-right/comment-page-6/#comment-105668 |
Brandon update!!!
Apparently the terms of the Brandon Challenge -- post some comments in which he did not refer to himself -- were too degrading for him, so he flounced. Here's his final comment:
@David That comment was 1) before I knew about your little game and 2) directed at Pencunium. Otherwise, happy new year. So not playing your childish games.This raises an interesting question: how did he know he was on moderation, yet not know about the Brandon Challenge, since the comment in which I explained the Brandon challenge was the very same one in which I announced he was on moderation. I guess we'll never know! Brandon: The first troll to have banished himself from Man Boobz due to his refusal to stop talking about himself in every single comment! |
2011-12-31T17:06:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/30/polling-is-open-vote-for-your-favorite-man-boobz-troll-over-there-on-the-right/comment-page-6/#comment-105654 |
Actually, it was a long detailed response to Pecunium. He's aware he's on moderation, because he complains about it and knows that, as he puts it, there's a "chance this will never get read." Yeah, like a 100% chance if you break the one rule of the Brandon Challenge, dude. It's really not hard, dude. All you have to do is NOT REFER TO YOURSELF. |
2011-12-31T03:48:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/28/is-reddit-nothing-more-than-a-collection-of-rape-jokes-and-pedophilia-apologias/comment-page-6/#comment-105544 |
Oh, dear. Brandon is not doing very well with the Brandon Challenge. I had to post the following in the Reddit topic: NOTE TO BRANDON: In the comment you just tried to post, you referred to yourself 35 times. (I counted.) Did you perhaps misunderstand the rules of the Brandon Challenge? You're not supposed to make comments in which you refer to yourself literally dozens of times. You are supposed to make comments in which you do not refer to yourself at all. Comments in which you refer to yourself will not go through. Comments in which you do not refer to yourself, will. If you can pull this off, you will be taken off moderation. And then you can refer to yourself again. Just not as often as you do now. |
2011-12-31T03:44:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/30/polling-is-open-vote-for-your-favorite-man-boobz-troll-over-there-on-the-right/comment-page-5/#comment-105543 |
NOTE TO BRANDON: In the comment you just tried to post, you referred to yourself 35 times. (I counted.) Did you perhaps misunderstand the rules of the Brandon Challenge? You're not supposed to make comments in which you refer to yourself literally dozens of times. You are supposed to make comments in which you do not refer to yourself at all. Comments in which you refer to yourself will not go through. Comments in which you do not refer to yourself, will. If you can pull this off, you will be taken off moderation. And then you can refer to yourself again. Just not as often as you do now. |
2011-12-31T03:22:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/28/is-reddit-nothing-more-than-a-collection-of-rape-jokes-and-pedophilia-apologias/comment-page-6/#comment-105541 |
I think I've figured it out: NWOslave is the Microsoft of trolls: not always elegant, but gets the job done; he's everywhere. Arks is Apple: elegant, but not for everyone, much smaller market share. DKM is an old manual typewriter surrounded by dolls. |
2011-12-30T19:09:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/30/polling-is-open-vote-for-your-favorite-man-boobz-troll-over-there-on-the-right/comment-page-3/#comment-105398 |
The poll isn't supposed to let anyone vote more than once. It does that using the secret RFID chip I had implanted in you all while you slept. I mean, with cookies and IP addresses or something. |
2011-12-30T17:53:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/30/polling-is-open-vote-for-your-favorite-man-boobz-troll-over-there-on-the-right/comment-page-3/#comment-105373 |
I was thinking of nominating B_____n for a "troll most likely to get banned for being so tedious" award, but I've decided to make it a challenge! It's the "Can B_____n comment without referring to himself in practically every sentence?" challenge. I've put him on moderation, and will only let through comments by him that contain zero references to himself. If he can actually pull this off to my satisfaction, I'll take him off moderation. Also, I'm a bit surprised by NWO's big lead in the polling. Sure, he's prolific, and consistent, and the sheer number and variety of his odd beliefs (as catalogued so excellently in the Book Of Learnin) is impressive. But DKM and Arks ain't chopped liver! Think of DKM's dolls! Arks and his crusade against "slobbering crotch maws!" This may be the most important vote in your lifetime! Consider all the options carefully before making your decision. |
2011-12-30T17:02:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/30/polling-is-open-vote-for-your-favorite-man-boobz-troll-over-there-on-the-right/comment-page-2/#comment-105329 |
Also, in case any of you were worried that NWO was telling the truth earlier in this thread and that he did show up here an innocent angel who "turned the other cheek" 77 times before unleashing his powerful sarcasm machine, I went back and looked at some of his early posts here.
Turns out he was kind of a sarcastic jerk from the very start. Who knew?
For example:
I just stop over boobzyboys pathetic site once in a while to see how low he can go. As always he never fails. The truely pathetic part about that worthless piece of flotsom is how he actually picks out individual people, (private citizens) and you all join in on the ginsu slice and dice bandwagon. It's like mob mentality out here.http://manboobz.com/2011/04/05/non-haters-gonna-non-hate-niceguy-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-12792 And this slightly ironic one later in the same thread. (the "sleaze" in question is me.) If this sleeze wrote an article saying homeless men were really lazy bums who only lay in gutters so they could look up girls skirts, everyone of you would be screaming misogynist.You can't wait for whatever tripe he puts up tommorow so you join in the shaming fun. Everyone here is so damn righteous. I've never seen one of you ever admit to, here it comes…………being wrong.http://manboobz.com/2011/04/05/non-haters-gonna-non-hate-niceguy-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-12803 I'm pretty sure that's not what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek. While NWO gets very annoyed when people say anything even vaguely critical about his religion, he doesn't actually seem to actually practice much of what Jesus preached. I will give him points for one thing: his very first comment here was basically polite. He completely missed the point of the post he was commenting on, but that's a whole other issue. |
2011-12-30T05:41:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/misogyny-to-the-maxd-women-are-liabilities-in-our-technological-culture-also-theyre-fat/comment-page-7/#comment-105096 |
There are worse things than adjectives, I feel. | 2011-12-30T04:20:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/misogyny-to-the-maxd-women-are-liabilities-in-our-technological-culture-also-theyre-fat/comment-page-7/#comment-105087 |
I'm thinking that troll-of-the-year is coming down to a 3-way race between NWO, Meller, and (relative) newcomer and underdog Arks. I honestly don't know who deserves it most. I think I'm going to put up a little poll and make it PEOPLE'S CHOICE!!!! But each one of them will get some sort of award. If you want to make your case for one (or more) of the three, lay it out for me. Or if there are specific troll comments you want to cite. (If you can remember key phrases in them I can probably find them for you.) If any of you want to make a case for someone else to include in the poll besides these three, make your case now! Also, trolls are allowed to make the case for themselves! As for Trollhunters, there's an embarrassment of riches. I think the only way to handle it is with lots of awards! |
2011-12-30T03:13:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/man-boobz-troll-and-trollhunter-of-the-year-awards-send-in-your-nominations/comment-page-2/#comment-105076 |
Where is darksidecat these days? Darksidecat, come back! | 2011-12-29T21:11:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/man-boobz-troll-and-trollhunter-of-the-year-awards-send-in-your-nominations/comment-page-1/#comment-104842 |
Who invented burritos? Because they rock. |
2011-12-29T18:34:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/misogyny-to-the-maxd-women-are-liabilities-in-our-technological-culture-also-theyre-fat/comment-page-2/#comment-104637 |
Shadow, yep, Moxon is a real treat. And that glowing blurb from Warren Farrell on that page helps to cement his reputation as a douchebag. | 2011-12-29T18:33:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/misogyny-to-the-maxd-women-are-liabilities-in-our-technological-culture-also-theyre-fat/comment-page-2/#comment-104636 |
Woah, Melanie Chartoff is an inventor? That Melanie Chartoff? I had a giant crush on her when she was on Fridays. Yes, I am old. | 2011-12-29T18:18:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/misogyny-to-the-maxd-women-are-liabilities-in-our-technological-culture-also-theyre-fat/comment-page-2/#comment-104614 |
Yes there are women inventors, scientists and various other non-penis-sucking/coddling professions, but these mutant women(?) clearly are as representative of women as feminist men(?) are representative of men!Actually, in The Woman Racket, an MRAesque book offering "scientific" proof that women are awful, Steve Moxon argues basically that. His example is Joni Mitchell, the only truly creative female musician, in his mind, but only because she has a "male" brain. |
2011-12-29T17:41:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/29/misogyny-to-the-maxd-women-are-liabilities-in-our-technological-culture-also-theyre-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-104577 |
Ok I had something of an epiphany when reading both David’s post ...Actually, I can't claim the credit here; this is a guest post from Catherine. |
2011-12-28T14:34:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/26/handsome-betas-are-polluting-the-gene-pool-with-pigwoman-blood-and-other-observations-on-love-and-life-from-chateau-heartiste/comment-page-4/#comment-104098 |
Oh, and NWO, laws often use male pronouns, for simplicity's sake and because male is sort of considered the default gender. It is understood that these laws apply to women as well. And indeed VAWA makes that explicit. | 2011-12-28T14:24:23-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/agentorange-and-the-screencaps-of-feminazi-doom/comment-page-9/#comment-104094 |
I shouldn't have said "convicted pedo." He's a self-admitted pedo who turned himself in for using child porn. I've fixed it. | 2011-12-28T14:15:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/28/is-reddit-nothing-more-than-a-collection-of-rape-jokes-and-pedophilia-apologias/comment-page-1/#comment-104093 |
Marxantimisandry said:
I didn’t give the link – manboobz did, I’m simply referencing itUh, no, YOU'RE the one who connected yourself to that site. The quote in question comes from antimisandry.com. Your name here references that site. Your gravitar is the logo from that site. Your name links to that site. You wrote two articles on the front page of that site. According to your profile there you've posted 17,874 comments on that site. Also, the comment I quoted from there specifically references the slutwalks and, in particular, the comment from the policeman that led to them in the first place -- ie, he said if women didn't dress like sluts they would be less likely to be raped. The commenter in question was relating the topless woman to the slutwalks. That was, after all, the whole point of the thread. And again, Marx, you came here claiming that MRAs weren't saying several specific things, and that we were misrepresenting them by claiming that they were. I find it impossible to believe that you haven't run across MRAs saying those things, but whatever, I and several others offered proof that numerous MRAs DO in fact say those things. Instead of responding to that, you've argued over one piece of that evidence,which you in turn have misrepresented. Then you made a bunch of unproven, incorrect assertions about me. So, yeah, I guess I agree that further discussions with you are probably pointless. |
2011-12-28T14:00:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/agentorange-and-the-screencaps-of-feminazi-doom/comment-page-9/#comment-104089 |
Katz, I will not forgive you for that errant apostrophe. | 2011-12-28T02:08:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/26/handsome-betas-are-polluting-the-gene-pool-with-pigwoman-blood-and-other-observations-on-love-and-life-from-chateau-heartiste/comment-page-4/#comment-103972 |
Oh, and JohnnyKaje, if you want to do a buttered manatee shirt, I'm game! I hope everyone here knows you can already get manboobz t-shirts and other stuff featuring mammoths, bad boy cock carousels and evil cupcakes, featuring art by JohnnyKaje and Shaenon! See the top of the page for a link to the manboobz store. They make ideal post-Christmas presents!! |
2011-12-28T02:03:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/27/arky-may-ark-may-we-hardly-knew-ye-also-stinky-vaginas/comment-page-2/#comment-103970 |
Well, I guess I was wrong about fish vaginas, then. | 2011-12-28T01:59:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/27/arky-may-ark-may-we-hardly-knew-ye-also-stinky-vaginas/comment-page-2/#comment-103968 |
Marx, how am I misrepresenting anything? That comment says pretty clearly that telling a woman to dress more modestly will help to prevent rape.
The exact words:
Do you not remember how the slutwalk got started in the first place? This isn't about stopping her from doing what she can legally do-it was about protecting HER.These are his words, not anything quoted. ChristianJ responds with this comment: Confusing a female with common sense has that affect unfortunately..And the original guy I quoted says this: Sad state of affairs-isn't it?Which makes pretty clear what he meant in the first comment. So how is this not the same as "Women should dress modestly to prevent rape?" Also: what about this comment from ChristianJ? I think you have it the wrong way around Douglas. That dumb bitch is of the opinion that she can walk around in her underwear and assume that no one will notice or care because she has already demonstrated against that in the slutwalk and therefore HER RIGHT to walk around in her underwear should not be questioned. Plus, she wants to walk around in her underwear and not even be looked at as she has already demonstrated in the slutwalk and everybody should already know that if she wants to walk around looking and behaving like a slut, she should not be the centre of any attention even though she is walking around in her underwear and she has already demonstrated that she can be a slut if she wants to becuase she took part in the slutwalk because....oh....never mind..How is THIS not the same as "Women should dress modestly to prevent rape?" (Only in a sarcastic tone and using the word "bitch." Again, I haven't misrepresented anyone in any way. I notice you didn't refer to any of my other links either? Are they all evil misrepresentations too? And speaking of misrepresentation: you cay this about me: you seem to be very supportive of the hate campaign against men and supporting misinformation which only serves to demonize an entire sex.This is blatantly false. I don't "demonize an entire sex." I call out SPECIFIC men for being misogynist assholes. I do it by QUOTING THEM DIRECTLY AND ACCURATELY. Please show me one quote from me -- one single quote -- that shows I'm part of a "hate campaign against men" or that I'm "demoniz[ing] an entire sex." |
2011-12-27T20:24:29-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/agentorange-and-the-screencaps-of-feminazi-doom/comment-page-9/#comment-103911 |
The Manhood 101ers are hated by most MRAs, not so much because they are more extreme than the typical MRAs (which they are, a bit) but because they attack other MRAs and call them manginas. Also, they spam blogs and forums with links.
Bee, so glad that Arky-May will be returning!
Also, these comments there are sort of hilarious:
spocksdisciple said... This feels like 100AD and you're a "secret" Christan follower in the time of the Romans. It's too bad that we cannot openly state our beliefs about the current injustices going on but like the Christian's of that time you can count on severe punishments if the feminazi opposition get a hold of your real identity. It's too bad that the blog had to end this way, there were some high quality posts here and I'll miss reading them.No sense of irony there, huh? Ferdinand Bardamu said... This is depressing. You were one of the bloggers who's significantly influenced my thinking; I've been reading you for god knows how long. Good luck and thanks for the memories. 26 December, 2011 18:28Significantly influenced? Arky-May? Boy, that's an embarrassing revelation for Ferd there. That's a bit like admitting you eat boogers. Other people's boogers. |
2011-12-27T17:43:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/27/arky-may-ark-may-we-hardly-knew-ye-also-stinky-vaginas/comment-page-1/#comment-103875 |
captainbathrobe and dracula, so sorry! I had really bad appendix timing too; I had mine out the day I graduated from college. |
2011-12-26T20:12:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/24/what-what-a-post-about-butts/comment-page-3/#comment-103670 |
I say put MRAs, PUAs and MGTOWs on their own island.I've already designed a little set for "man island" using that Muvizu animation software I used before. I just need to writ the script and get some people to do the voices and, you know, animate it. |
2011-12-26T20:08:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/26/handsome-betas-are-polluting-the-gene-pool-with-pigwoman-blood-and-other-observations-on-love-and-life-from-chateau-heartiste/comment-page-2/#comment-103669 |
Do these guys think Stormfront’s too progressive on the subject of women or something? Because they’d fit right in.The stormfronters don't like them (mras/mgtowers more than puas) because they're always saying bad things about white women. Seriously. I've been meaning to do a post on it. |
2011-12-26T17:34:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/26/handsome-betas-are-polluting-the-gene-pool-with-pigwoman-blood-and-other-observations-on-love-and-life-from-chateau-heartiste/comment-page-1/#comment-103630 |
Kendra, when these guys fantasize about running away to another country they often talk about finding one that won't extradite them back to the us. I'm not sure what those countries are, but then again I don't spend a lot of time thinking about fleeing the country to escape US law. THERE IS NO POON. Ozy, thanks for that. |
2011-12-26T16:35:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/26/handsome-betas-are-polluting-the-gene-pool-with-pigwoman-blood-and-other-observations-on-love-and-life-from-chateau-heartiste/comment-page-1/#comment-103608 |
Actually, all you've got to do for youtube videos is to post the bare link, with no brackets or any of that fancy stuff -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3dm5J5r0A |
2011-12-25T20:32:46-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/25/off-topic-baby-it-doesnt-fit-through-the-hole-totally-sfw/comment-page-1/#comment-103528 |
Aw, Kyrie, hope the rest of the day goes better. And thanks, everyone! Here's a somewhat more Christmassy video for you all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Zqzdpp0zyt4 Kitties love presents! |
2011-12-25T17:24:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/25/off-topic-baby-it-doesnt-fit-through-the-hole-totally-sfw/comment-page-1/#comment-103516 |
It was the word "tranny." | 2011-12-25T06:00:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/20/homeless-girls-a-frugal-alternative-to-pricey-prostitutes/comment-page-8/#comment-103485 |
marx, you can find examples of all of these things in previous posts on this blog. And from MRAs in the comments here: David K. Meller, an MRA, talks endlessly about how women should be submissive in the comments here. See also practically any MRA/MGTOW discussion of "western women" and their supposedly more submissive eastern counterparts: http://manboobz.com/2011/03/07/asian-women-sexual-strikebreakers/ http://manboobz.com/2011/10/19/american-women-dumpsters-or-septic-tanks/ http://manboobz.com/2011/08/01/america-land-of-soulless-hamster-wusses/ http://manboobz.com/2011/04/11/body-heat/ Look at some of my posts about Lara Logan and the slutwalks for examples of #3. http://manboobz.com/2011/05/03/lara-logan-redux-more-victim-blaming-rape-denial-and-rape-apologetics-from-in-mala-fide/ http://manboobz.com/2011/11/28/women-why-must-you-assault-men-with-your-evil-sexy-outfits/ http://manboobz.com/2011/08/08/spearheaders-on-the-slutwalks-again-its-bad/ Almost any MRA discussion of the slutwalks is going to contain some version of the "if they dress like sluts they deserve what they get" or "women need to take responsibility for their actions," by which the MRAs mean their action of dressing in a way that, in the MRA mind, might lead to a man getting so excited that he rapes her. (Never mind that in fact what women wear has no correlation with whether or not they are raped, or that the idea that men are such simple creatures that they can't control themselves when women dress "provocatively" is really pretty insulting to men. Are you asking this question seriously? Have you even read the endless discussions of slutwalks on your own site? One example of this attitude from there: http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-main/look-out-bra-walk-near-you-41817-post268679.html#post268679 As for women "provoking" violence against themselves, see: http://manboobz.com/2011/09/20/violence-against-women-blame-it-on-feminism-says-w-f-price/ http://manboobz.com/2010/10/12/quoteotd-whatever-terrible-shit-men-do-its-all-womens-fault-their-sexy-fault/ Once you read all these I will be happy to answer any further questions. |
2011-12-25T05:50:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/agentorange-and-the-screencaps-of-feminazi-doom/comment-page-9/#comment-103484 |
Or so I've, er, heard. | 2011-12-24T19:41:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/24/what-what-a-post-about-butts/comment-page-2/#comment-103449 |
MRAL said:
If you’ve got cameras in the room, and she’s filming her 10th take, and both of them are obviously being paid, and there’s some fat dude sitting in the director’s chair… to me, that’s a goddamn waste of time.Ah, but somewhere out there is someone who gets turned on only because s/he knows there's some fat dude in the director's chair watching it all. But actually, I agree; it's obvious that in most porn the people on camera are just going through the motions, and that's not very sexy. But sometimes you can find porn in which it's obvious there's some real enthusiasm there. (For anyone into BDSM, Kink.com does porn featuring people who really are into it.) |
2011-12-24T19:41:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/24/what-what-a-post-about-butts/comment-page-2/#comment-103448 |
A bunch of stuff got held in moderation. I let it through but since most of them were a while back, I'm going to repost them now so everyone sees them.
MarinaS | December 24, 2011 at 11:04 am I’m afraid “if X is Y then you’re doing it wrong” doesn’t solve the problem here though. A lot of what both young men and young women consider “normal” sex, from watching either porn or even just Hollywood movies, really does hurt the woman (and maybe the man too – I’ve heard tell of toothy head and yanking hand jobs, but I’ll leave it to others to comment). I had the misfortune to have a lot of piston-like poundings resulting in ripped tissues & a bruised cervix before I got enough experience and confidence together to call a stop to that – and even then, you don’t know if a guy is going to do something “wrong” until you let him do it, however much you talk it over maturely to begin with. And when you don’t have the experience and confidence to talk it over maturely ahead of time, you’re also probably not best placed to make any negative comments on his performance mid-coitus. So I don’t think Hugo is being particularly paternalistic in warning of young women suffering unnecessary pain during sex they don’t really feel in control of; at least from my position of someone who used to be one of those young women, he’s bang on target. I grant you the sports thing is weird. DomGirl | December 24, 2011 at 11:26 am I’m gonna come out of lurking just to answer Arks…I’m a woman who loves anal sex. Often prefer it, in fact. Because it feels good and gives me amazing orgasms. Yeah, I’m a bit of a masochist, and a little pain is part of the attraction. But I’m also the dominant in my relationship when we’re feeling kinky. My girlfriend fucks me in the ass because I tell her to. Just wanted to register my existence Tomio Black | December 24, 2011 at 12:04 pm So what is the difference between asking a woman for what you want – something that ANY person concerned with relationships, sexuality, or mental health would promote – and pressuring them? Maybe something like this: He: I’d really like to try anal sex with you. She: I don’t know. I’ve never done it. He: Really? It seems like it would be great. She: It seems like it would hurt. He: Well, I understand if we use lubricant and go slow it doesn’t hurt. She: I just don’t know. He: We could try it. If you don’t like, we could stop… Pressure? Or two people having a conversation? If it’s a BAD thing; then how do people actually discuss such things? |
2011-12-24T19:15:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/24/what-what-a-post-about-butts/comment-page-2/#comment-103445 |
Happy, email should work fine. Maybe your emails got spamfiltered or I somehow missed them. | 2011-12-23T17:53:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/23/100000-comments-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-103114 |
Nom, I don't see any comments there by "feminist pirate." I see a bunch of comments from feminists pissed off that the OP linked to a transphobic post. | 2011-12-23T16:53:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/agentorange-and-the-screencaps-of-feminazi-doom/comment-page-8/#comment-103069 |
NWO seems to have gone away, but I just wanted to point out again that:
1) The things other people were quoting were *actually from the Bible* and they weren't playing some weird quote-out-of-context gotcha game; they were actually quoting some rather uplifting stuff, the kind of stuff that makes even agnostics like myself say, "hey, that Jesus guy had some good ideas!"
2) The things you were quoting, NWO, were imaginary or quotes taken so far out of context that they actually meant something close to the opposite of what they seemed to say. And you seem to have gotten them all from a list put together by the Ku Klux Klan. I mean, LITERALLY PUT TOGETHER BY THE KKK, LIKE ON THEIR WEBSITE:
Polliwog | December 23, 2011 at 12:56 pm From here: http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/kkk.html “These misquotes and fabrications come straight from the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan web site. Some cannot be explained simply because the quotes do not exist in the Talmud. Some references are to a book that does not exist in Talmud or any Jewish literature. Others are taken seriously out of context, or add words or thoughts that are not in the original. … Kethuboth 11b, concerning betrothals. “When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this, it is as if one puts the finger into the eye.” A footnote to that passage says that if a man were to have intercourse with a three year old she should not suffer the consequences of loss of virginity when she become eligible for marriage. The comment is actually a defense of victim’s rights. The man who did such thing would be punished, but the victim shouldn’t be… Sanhedrin 59a says nothing about murdering the heathen, nor does it relate the death of a gentile to the death of a wild animal. It says “R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses command us a law for an inheritance; it is our inheritance, not theirs.” The tractate goes on to refute this statement by discussing the laws about eating blood. Even in this statement, if accepted, there is no mention of murdering the heathen. “Worthy of death” implies a judicial sentence, not murder… Abodah Zara 26b is taken seriously out of context. What the original says is “but minim [idolatrous priests, whether Jewish or gentile], informers, and apostates [specifically Jewish] may be cast in [a pit], and need not be brought up.” This says nothing about killing, and much less about killing gentiles. If it says anything about killing, Jews are included. The discussion, however, is whether a gentile may circumcise a Jew. The argument about who may be thrown into a put, pulled out but not thrown in, etc., concludes by saying that the pit should be covered so that nobody goes in.” Dude, NWO, even when you try to find “facts,” all you can do is cite a KKK list of made-up and woefully misinterpreted citations from the Talmud. That’s just sad, dude. Heck, there’s loads of nasty things in the Torah – God spends a significant chunk of the OT smiting damn near everyone, often for reasons that amount to “it seemed like fun,” and all you can pull out is some Talmudic quotes about how you don’t lose your virginity by being raped as a baby? OH THE HORROR. |
2011-12-23T16:29:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/sady-doyle-on-fighting-sexual-assault-one-tweet-at-a-time/comment-page-6/#comment-103052 |
I'm an agnostic, but I'm sort of in awe of the fact that the universe spontaneously generated organisms that developed consciousness and figured out that the universe spontaneously generated organisms that developed consciousness. I mean, far freakin out. I'm also amazed that we can figure out the math that explains how the universe works (roughly) and that dudes with slide rules were able to figure out to get spaceships to the moon and back. I'm thinking that the next step in evolution will involve sort of cyborgy computer-organic creatures that are designed to learn and evolve and which will eventually supplant human beings while absorbing all that we know and all that we are. And that these new ever-more-perfect cyborgy creatures will look like kitties. But with thumbs. (Maybe not the bit about kitties.) |
2011-12-22T23:41:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/16/dudes-silent-no-more/comment-page-6/#comment-102538 |
I would like to second the notion that Dolly Parton is awesome. | 2011-12-22T23:21:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/agentorange-and-the-screencaps-of-feminazi-doom/comment-page-8/#comment-102532 |
What if you learn stuff by watching reruns of COPS? Does that count? If so I have learned a LOT. | 2011-12-22T20:48:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/agentorange-and-the-screencaps-of-feminazi-doom/comment-page-6/#comment-102378 |
There was a bunch of stuff in moderation; I let it all through. (Sorry I didn't get to it sooner --was away from the internet.) One comment on some of the pre-NWO G-D vs S-----E discussion: Yes, some of the RadFem Hub folks have said some vile things -- and I will write more about this. But all the threads I went through from the AgentOrange files were like the ones I posted about. So the question is: does AgentOrange actually believe that women getting mad at a male midwife (and mentioning BALLS) is as bad as GENOCIDE? Or is he just hoping that no one actually reads any of the files and just takes his word that they're all awful/genocidal/etc? |
2011-12-22T18:07:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/22/agentorange-and-the-screencaps-of-feminazi-doom/comment-page-3/#comment-102169 |
Dude, this isn't the first time MRAs have released personal info: http://manboobz.com/2011/11/21/mens-rights-site-a-voice-for-men-offers-1000-bounty-for-personal-information-on-swedish-feminists/ http://manboobz.com/2011/11/23/and-what-if-they-get-killed-a-voice-for-men-as-an-antifeminist-witchfinder-general/ I will do something on the AgentOrange bullshit soon. |
2011-12-22T02:52:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/21/i-hope-this-advice-doesnt-sounds-rapey-a-visit-to-reddits-seduction-community/comment-page-2/#comment-101710 |
I tried to read Matlack's posting reacting to his horrible mistreatment by feminist tweets and I honestly could not make it more than about a third of the way in. If you're going to be annoying, at least be concise! I'm resigning from the GMP too. Granted, I'm not actually part of the GMP, so that's doesn't actually mean anything. I'm also resigning from Hugo Schwyzer! And kitties! (Ok, I take that last one back.) MRAL, did you ever finish Borderlands? I have to say I enjoyed the heck out of that game. |
2011-12-21T19:13:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/16/dudes-silent-no-more/comment-page-5/#comment-101563 |
This is a bit late, but I'm thinking Whatever needs to go on moderation. Sorry, Holly, I can delete his shit if you want. |
2011-12-21T18:56:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/20/homeless-girls-a-frugal-alternative-to-pricey-prostitutes/comment-page-6/#comment-101555 |
Magpie, glad your dad's recovering well. Brandon, the obvious moral solution to your quandry is for you to become a porn star. Then you will get to have sex with porn stars, and you won't have to pay them. In fact, you'll get paid. Problem solved! Glad to help. |
2011-12-19T05:18:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/18/fellas-protect-yourself-from-these-sneaky-lady-tricks/comment-page-5/#comment-100171 |
Eimos, can you point me to some popular MRA or MGTOW web site/blog/forums where there's not lots of misogyny? (Beyond the two that always get mentioned: Pele Billing's blog and Fathers and Families/Glen Sacks.) | 2011-12-18T19:48:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/18/fellas-protect-yourself-from-these-sneaky-lady-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-99790 |
Arks, i have to admit that the dude you linked to is a pretty awesome dude. MRAL, I also second the suggestion that you stop reading Hugo. He annoys me sometimes too, I have to admit, and so I don't really read him any more. Problem solved! |
2011-12-17T01:33:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/16/dudes-silent-no-more/comment-page-3/#comment-98799 |
CONFIDENTIAL TO BILLY WILLIAMS, WHO KEEPS TRYING TO POST HERE:
1) I banned you because your second comment here consisted, in its entirety, of this:
Dave Futrelle can suck my testiclez.2) I can see IP addresses, so when you try to post under another name, I can still tell it's you! 3) Have a lovely weekend! |
2011-12-17T00:54:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/15/the-false-rape-society-is-shocked-shocked-by-a-fraternitys-who-would-you-rape-survey/comment-page-7/#comment-98787 |
Thus endeth the brief career of Billy Williams as Man Boobz commenter. | 2011-12-15T23:03:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/15/the-false-rape-society-is-shocked-shocked-by-a-fraternitys-who-would-you-rape-survey/comment-page-4/#comment-98357 |
What makes you so certain that there are fewer rapes inside prison walls than outside prison walls?Monsieur sans Nom, did you somehow not notice the rest of my comment, in which I cited a specific study on prison rape, which was linked to on the website of an anti-prison-rape group, that estimated that the number of rapes within prison was far less than the number of rapes outside of prison? |
2011-12-15T20:48:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/15/the-false-rape-society-is-shocked-shocked-by-a-fraternitys-who-would-you-rape-survey/comment-page-3/#comment-98282 |
Let's not call NWO a rapist wannabe, or anything along those lines He says vile shit, yes, but this sort of namecalling is out of bounds. | 2011-12-15T20:00:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/15/the-false-rape-society-is-shocked-shocked-by-a-fraternitys-who-would-you-rape-survey/comment-page-3/#comment-98219 |
Ullere, though the issue of prison rape is a real one, and one that is too often overlooked, the number of men (and women) raped in prison is far, far smaller than the number of women who are raped outside of prison. MRAs like to pretend that more men are raped in prison than women raped outside prison, but that's simply delusional. According to one survey cited by the anti-prison rape group Just Detention (a credible organization with absolutely no reason to lowball the number of prison rapes), some 88,500 men and women currently being held in prisons and jails have been raped at some point in the past year.(The overwhelming majority of these victims (90 percent or so) are male, largely because the overwhelming majority of prisoners are male.) See here for more details: http://manboobz.com/2010/11/08/further-reading-prison-rape/ By contrast, according to the new CDC survey, some 1.3 million women are raped (or have faced attempted rape) each year. 1.3 million per year vs 88,500 per year. [EDITED to correct a misstatement.] |
2011-12-15T19:54:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/15/the-false-rape-society-is-shocked-shocked-by-a-fraternitys-who-would-you-rape-survey/comment-page-2/#comment-98209 |
Hmm. In addition to being boring, Lian Li is using some sort of IP-hiding service (either that or he/she can teleport from one country to the next in seconds). So probably some old troll returning. Into moderation you go, perhaps never to return. | 2011-12-15T18:46:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/when-5-is-7-advanced-facebook-dating-math-according-to-the-dude-who-actually-calls-himself-heartiste/comment-page-6/#comment-98081 |
Scroll up for a big MRAL confession that I just let through! Forget everything you thought you knew about MRAL-Elevatorgate! |
2011-12-15T14:54:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/greatest-mra-graphic-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-97978 |
Holly, congrats on the 4.0! Quackers, and anyone looking for a better breed of troll, check out the movie Trollhunter, now available on Netflix streaming. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Trollhunter/70170065?trkid=496624 You'll get several breeds of trolls to choose from. Anyway, it's a fabulous faux-found-footage horror/comedy from Norway. Starts a little slow, but once it gets going it's fantastic. Sometimes funny, sometimes tense, lots of gorgeous Norwegian scenery. Not too gross or violent. Well, a teensy bit gross from time to time. |
2011-12-15T01:40:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/greatest-mra-graphic-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-97829 |
Did someone say something about secret witch covens and tumblr? http://witchtower.tumblr.com/ |
2011-12-15T00:11:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/when-5-is-7-advanced-facebook-dating-math-according-to-the-dude-who-actually-calls-himself-heartiste/comment-page-5/#comment-97814 |
There is no way that is not fetish art.By just saying this, Holly, you have caused this fetish to exist. Rule 34! There is now a small community of men who get off on the idea of being dominated by giantess stillettos with mouths. |
2011-12-14T20:26:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/greatest-mra-graphic-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-97695 |
Jenn93, I think a lot of PUA techniques are (intentionally or not) basically ways of finding out which women won't protest when their boundaries are repeatedly violated. | 2011-12-14T18:00:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/when-5-is-7-advanced-facebook-dating-math-according-to-the-dude-who-actually-calls-himself-heartiste/comment-page-4/#comment-97640 |
Just catching up with this thread. Monsieur sans nom's "funny" rape video was obnoxious and inappropriate; I've removed it and will put him on moderation. | 2011-12-14T17:54:06-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/11/rapists-lad-mags-and-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-10/#comment-97634 |
One more!
Karyn Bee (@tetragami) | December 14, 2011 at 3:12 pm I was actually there when twoguys first heard of negging to attract the attention of women. Those poor, impressionable Microsoft interns thought their intern camp leader (what is the correct term?) was giving them good advice. The two of them started spouting misogynistic crap despite the protestations of my friend and I. Going outside to smoke on a balcony in the middle of winter was more fun, and since I don’t smoke I was just hanging out and freezing my ass off. |
2011-12-14T17:06:10-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/when-5-is-7-advanced-facebook-dating-math-according-to-the-dude-who-actually-calls-himself-heartiste/comment-page-4/#comment-97613 |
And another one! (This one the spam filter grabbed for no clear reason.)
Stephanie | December 14, 2011 at 1:16 pm @Holly Pervocracy A shiny shirt? Haha. I haven’t been approached by a PUA yet. Two of my friends were approached by this man ( http://www.dimitrithelover.com/toronto_real_men_basic_information.html ) and were absolutely horrified. To everyone, what would be a really good “comeback” to say to a PUA if he approached you? I usually have a really strong “fuck off” vibe towards (non-PUA) straight men that approach me, but I think a PUA deserves something a bit nastier. |
2011-12-14T16:57:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/when-5-is-7-advanced-facebook-dating-math-according-to-the-dude-who-actually-calls-himself-heartiste/comment-page-4/#comment-97605 |
Another one!
Flora | December 14, 2011 at 12:35 pm This is so ridiculous. Honestly, I would turn down a Matt Damon look alike PUA, not because I think I’m better than him or more attractive, but because I find a stimulating intellectual conversation and quick wit more attractive than… vague insults?? And shocker, some women like different things! My best friend is a sucker for a nice set of abs and a laid back attitude, another friend loves the old-fashioned chivalry, another is attracted to guys who are adventurous adrenaline junkies. The idea that simply knocking someone down a peg is going to make ALL of us want to sleep with the same guy is ridiculous (and we usually raise our eyebrows at each other’s choices, one night stands or otherwise). Perhaps this is because there is no “What women want” guide that we all reach when we get our period, and we’re all, you know, people? Plus, doesn’t this whole “theory” work on the idea that attractive women have tons of self-esteem but fat/non-supermodel women don’t? The whole notion is ridiculous. There are plenty of “9″s and “10″s with body dysmorphic syndromes and plenty of self-confident and rocking it “4s.” |
2011-12-14T16:50:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/when-5-is-7-advanced-facebook-dating-math-according-to-the-dude-who-actually-calls-himself-heartiste/comment-page-4/#comment-97603 |
Another one:
Cr | December 14, 2011 at 11:20 am Oh ok, I think I have a better understanding of what “neg” means. Let me try again *Girl points cute photo of herself in new outfit* Brandon: Ooh, cute dress. But I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing it with those heels. I mean Hellooo! |
2011-12-14T16:37:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/when-5-is-7-advanced-facebook-dating-math-according-to-the-dude-who-actually-calls-himself-heartiste/comment-page-4/#comment-97592 |
Another one:
Buttman | December 14, 2011 at 11:04 am Why is it that feminists and the left will lecture us on homophobia and then resort to it? I don’t find anything wrong with calling himself Heartiste. Online dating is stacked against us because it’s a sausagefest. Even the most attractive guys will get fewer messages than the average women. Heartiste has some good ideas for guys that are nearly sociopaths. It doesn’t seem like it is worth becoming a sociopath just to have a woman like me.How on earth is it homophobic to make fun of someone calling himself "Heartiste?" "Heartiste" isn't a "gay" thing to call yourself. It's just ridiculous, whatever your gender or sexual orientation. |
2011-12-14T16:33:27-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/when-5-is-7-advanced-facebook-dating-math-according-to-the-dude-who-actually-calls-himself-heartiste/comment-page-4/#comment-97588 |
Due to me being off the internets for a while today, some comments languished in moderation for a long time. So I'm going to repost them because otherwise no one would see them. Here's one:
rglasser27 | December 14, 2011 at 10:30 am I’m still mystified as to why MRA’s seem to spend so much energy obsessively whining about women who are difficult to date, instead of just… you know… not dating them. Surely if MRA’s are as wonderful as they think they are, they shouldn’t settle for a bitchy 5. Unless, I suppose, MRA’s are subject to the same egotistical inflation of self-worth that they accuse the hated women of, and the self-reported 7′s are actually 2′s because they come across as assholes. But no, that couldn’t be it.And another: Jeff Fecke | December 14, 2011 at 10:22 am Dang, I’m only batting a 4.2973 this month. I’m going to need to convert 8 of 14 free throws in the last wicket if I’m going to win the ladiez on the internetz. |
2011-12-14T16:28:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/14/when-5-is-7-advanced-facebook-dating-math-according-to-the-dude-who-actually-calls-himself-heartiste/comment-page-4/#comment-97581 |
Stephanie, well that explains a lot. I wear the urine of pregnant women as cologne just as a matter of course. I wondered why I was always being followed around by confused lovesick lesbians. | 2011-12-14T16:13:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/13/maxim-explains-how-to-cure-a-feminist/comment-page-7/#comment-97573 |
Dammit, I thought I had put John/MRAL's newest info in the moderation filter. Well, I have now. | 2011-12-13T17:09:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/13/maxim-explains-how-to-cure-a-feminist/comment-page-1/#comment-96703 |
Or possibly "John" is the superego, and "MRAL" the id? So where is the ego? | 2011-12-13T00:47:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/12/mra-women-hate-engineering-because-its-too-hard-and-theyd-rather-mooch-off-their-husbands/comment-page-1/#comment-96255 |
MRAL, come on. You’re making a complete ass of yourself. Get some sleep, even if it’s only two or three hours, and then get back to the books.Oddly, this post from "John" (see above, just let it thru moderation) comes from the same IP as MRAL's posts this evening. Is MRAL Tyler Durden? Sybil? A group of sociology students conducting an experiment? The mystery may never be solved by mere mortal minds. |
2011-12-13T00:46:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/12/mra-women-hate-engineering-because-its-too-hard-and-theyd-rather-mooch-off-their-husbands/comment-page-1/#comment-96254 |
That sums it up perfectly. | 2011-12-12T17:34:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/12/off-topic-anti-gay-alabama-politician-caught-secretly-donating-sperm-to-lesbian-couples-in-new-zealand/comment-page-1/#comment-95945 |
Also, hugs to Ozy. Depression sucks. | 2011-12-11T22:09:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/10/vaginas-are-icky-because-science-779-upvotes-on-reddit/comment-page-5/#comment-95637 |
NWO has Man Boobz comment reading parties with the guys from work?!!
Please, dude, post some pics! Maybe a couple of the guys pointing at Man Boobz comments and laughing?
Also: Arks once again wins the Man Boobz Troll Award for Disconcertingly Vivid Imagery:
A freely hanging pair of breasts looks more like a pair of weird, droopy parasitesThis is almost t-short worthy. |
2011-12-11T22:08:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/10/vaginas-are-icky-because-science-779-upvotes-on-reddit/comment-page-5/#comment-95634 |
MRAL, if you really don't know why you're on moderation? I find that rather hard to believe. Anyway, I let both of your comments through. Everyone is invited to scroll up and read them. |
2011-12-08T21:52:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/08/how-to-creep-out-the-entire-internet-lovelorn-banker-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94192 |
that was like owlslave grade crazyI was thinking the same thing. Maybe they should hire NWOslave; he could crank out a dozen policy papers a day. Though they'd all be about Title IX and 14-year-old girls on the beach. |
2011-12-07T15:51:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/07/you-may-kiss-the-other-bride-girl-on-girl-feminist-marriage-will-destroy-america-apparently/comment-page-1/#comment-93660 |
Holly, thanks for sending this story along to me! | 2011-12-07T15:29:14-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/07/you-may-kiss-the-other-bride-girl-on-girl-feminist-marriage-will-destroy-america-apparently/comment-page-1/#comment-93653 |
Bagelsan. I know this isn't really an MRA show. It's pretty clear the two main character dudes are going to be portrayed as doofuses, which to MRAs is basically worse than genocide. Also, Some Like it Hot is one of the greatest movies ever. |
2011-12-06T19:44:03-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/06/abcs-work-it-drag-me-to-mra-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-93316 |
Shouldn't it be Occupy Slobbering Crotch Maws? | 2011-12-06T15:48:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/05/katherine-heigl-ballbusting-bigot/comment-page-3/#comment-93186 |
I am ok with not being able to be a male giggalo.Brandon, I know you posted this a while back, but I want to know more about these "giggalos." Do they giggle at their customers' dumb jokes, or do they make their customers giggle with their own dumb jokes? And finally, I need to know if giggalos are in any way related to Juggalos. If it's either of those first two options, sign me up! But the third is kind of a dealbreaker for me. |
2011-12-06T15:32:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/27/women-oppress-men-by-playing-at-having-a-career/comment-page-24/#comment-93169 |
DKM, I agree with you completely about that picture of the kitty. That is a pretty kitty. |
2011-12-06T05:14:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/01/new-form-of-anti-male-oppression-discovered-womens-magazines-in-checkout-lines/comment-page-9/#comment-92929 |
I assumed MRAL was doing a little self-parody here, but who knows. tatjna, if the faces on the balls bother you, I strongly suggest that you do not watch this video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48602e7b49 | 2011-12-05T20:01:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/05/katherine-heigl-ballbusting-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-92750 |
I actually get annoyed all the time by oblivious pedestrians -- whether they are slow and oblivious, taking up the whole sidewalk or bike path, or marching at full speed and forcing me to get out of the way. But it's weird to blame it all on one gender. In my experience the standing-or-walking-slowly -while-oblivious groups can be men or women or (usually) both. There are probably more women than men pushing strollers obliviously, and more men talking into cell phones or with friends and marching at high speed obliviously. I also get annoyed when pedestrians aren't in their proper lanes. IT'S JUST LIKE WITH CARS, PEOPLE -- WALK ON THE RIGHT. But I also realize that my annoyance is a little bit ridiculous. Seriously, there are a lot more important things to get annoyed about. |
2011-12-04T03:17:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/03/mostly-off-topic-cats-and-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-92299 |
diseased pussy hopeful diseased pussy hopeful diseased pussy hopeful diseased pussy hopefulIt never would have occured to me that those three words could be put together, much less in that order. EWME is like an angry MRA spambot. |
2011-12-04T03:07:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/02/women-for-cain-proof-women-are-not-always-right-about-everything/comment-page-2/#comment-92298 |
Just added Batcat to the post, as it is hilarious. | 2011-12-03T19:14:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/03/mostly-off-topic-cats-and-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-92200 |
In case anyone hasn't seen "women laughing alone with salad," here it is: http://thehairpin.com/2011/01/women-laughing-alone-with-salad And the even stranger followup: http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water |
2011-12-02T15:07:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/02/women-for-cain-proof-women-are-not-always-right-about-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-91652 |
Sereph, the quotes are from a bunch of different allegedly non-imaginary women, but they're straight from the site. | 2011-12-02T15:02:38-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/02/women-for-cain-proof-women-are-not-always-right-about-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-91650 |
FWIW, "Anthony Zarat" is -- and correct me if I'm wrong, AZ -- not his real name but his "war name." The war being the one that Thomas Ball started, I guess. | 2011-12-02T14:56:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/02/rape-mansplained-at-last-thanks-anonymous-dude-on-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-91643 |
Also, just catching up on this thread and ... NOMAS is part of the MR movement? MRAs regularly denounce NOMAS as a bunch of feministy manginas; look at my debate with Paul E about DV; he spent what seemed like half his time bashing NOMAS instead of dealing with my arguments/evidence. . | 2011-12-02T14:33:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/01/new-form-of-anti-male-oppression-discovered-womens-magazines-in-checkout-lines/comment-page-4/#comment-91633 |
And now, today's official TROLL REVEAL: Forget what I said earlier. Samuel IS heroicman. Or they are two trolls who post virtually identical crap who happen to live in the same place, which is not a place where I expect very many MBzers live. I'm going with the former interpretation. I must have been thinking of a couple of other trolls before; just checked the IPs again and, yep, same internet provider, same place. Bee, and whoever else called this, gets wins an internet. Sorry, heroicman, thanks for playing, | 2011-12-02T13:50:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/01/new-form-of-anti-male-oppression-discovered-womens-magazines-in-checkout-lines/comment-page-4/#comment-91612 |
Can I point out how ridiculous it is that someone who is railing against the injustices men face also, apparently, thinks women never rape?I think what he means is "if you feminists get to say that only men rape then I get to say that only women emotionally rape bla bla cuntbags." |
2011-12-02T13:31:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/12/02/rape-mansplained-at-last-thanks-anonymous-dude-on-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-91591 |
I think I checked samuel and heroicman earlier and they are posting from thousands of miles apart, at least according to their IP addresses. | 2011-12-01T19:52:31-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/30/and-the-redditor-of-the-day-award-goes-to-annarchist-no-really-it-actually-did-yesterday/comment-page-4/#comment-91299 |
I've only just now caught up with this thread. This is obviously a very complicated topic. It troubles me to see commenters I like getting upset with each other, yet I understand why people on all sides of this debate are getting upset with one another. At this point I'm not sure that further discussion here is going to be productive. I think everyone involved has pretty much stated their opinions, and that further debate isn't going to change any minds. (I have my own somewhat conflicted thoughts on the matter, for what it's worth, but I don't think sharing them now would be helpful; also, pretty much every argument I would make has already been made by various people in this thread already.) I'm closing this thread, at least for now. |
2011-12-01T19:00:02-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/29/men-run-faster-than-women-hence-rape-or-reddit-in-a-nutshell/comment-page-5/#comment-91260 |
Boris said:
Is it some sort of American in-joke to point out really obvious sarcasm that doesn’t need pointing out, or are you really that bad at detecting it?Partly a joke, but it's partly because some MRA dudes are really, really, really literal minded and/or eager to take things out of context and pretend I'm saying the opposite of what I'm really saying. Hence a giant blinking sarcasm tag. |
2011-12-01T00:26:54-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/30/and-the-redditor-of-the-day-award-goes-to-annarchist-no-really-it-actually-did-yesterday/comment-page-2/#comment-90914 |
I haven’t read the book, but I’ve read a detailed Wikipedia summaryI love reproducing by splitting in half! I've never actually done it, but I read a detailed Wikipedia summary. |
2011-11-30T19:04:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/30/and-the-redditor-of-the-day-award-goes-to-annarchist-no-really-it-actually-did-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-90579 |
Oh hell the what, Reddit, even for you!FWIW, apparently the Redditor of the Day moderators didn't didn't really research AnnArchist, and at least one of them has said it was a big mistake. |
2011-11-30T17:57:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/30/and-the-redditor-of-the-day-award-goes-to-annarchist-no-really-it-actually-did-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-90521 |
Chance that MRAL has actually read the book and is not just trolling: 0.00000001% | 2011-11-30T17:55:20-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/30/and-the-redditor-of-the-day-award-goes-to-annarchist-no-really-it-actually-did-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-90518 |
Also, chicken tacos are delicious. Damn you, AnnArchist, for spoiling them too! | 2011-11-30T17:46:42-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/30/and-the-redditor-of-the-day-award-goes-to-annarchist-no-really-it-actually-did-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-90512 |
American Psycho is a brilliant film. | 2011-11-30T17:43:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/30/and-the-redditor-of-the-day-award-goes-to-annarchist-no-really-it-actually-did-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-90509 |
kristinmh, when you talked about your parents, I imagined you growing up in a house straddling the US/Canadian border, with your dad on one side and your mom on the other. | 2011-11-30T01:37:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/27/women-oppress-men-by-playing-at-having-a-career/comment-page-10/#comment-90200 |
Wetherby, I'm sure there was nun porn back then in which this was the case, so maybe that's what he was thinking of. Anyway, here's a treat for Mr. Meller and all those who love old-timey music. Enjoy this catchy French tune from the 1940s! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9pOq8u6-bA |
2011-11-29T16:15:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/28/women-why-must-you-assault-men-with-your-evil-sexy-outfits/comment-page-5/#comment-89876 |
This actually isn't even that bad by Reddit-misogyny standards. I posted it mainly because of how predictably Redditish it is. Oh, here comes the inevitable rape joke, right on schedule. And of course the guy who suggests that men might not be the best at absolutely everything gets piled on. Just another day on Reddit! EDIT: fixed something where I said the oppposite of wht I meant to say. |
2011-11-29T15:18:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/29/men-run-faster-than-women-hence-rape-or-reddit-in-a-nutshell/comment-page-1/#comment-89818 |
kurukurushoujo:
So she deserves to be up there? Deserves to be harassed?Absolutely not. That's why I said earlier in the piece that: None of those who have been placed in the Register-Her “registry” as “bigots” deserve to be smeared or harassed.I'm going to reword both to make absolutely clear what I mean. |
2011-11-29T14:56:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/23/and-what-if-they-get-killed-a-voice-for-men-as-an-antifeminist-witchfinder-general/comment-page-3/#comment-89801 |
Weird. I'm wearing a micro-mini skirt and a see-thru top, as usual. I assumed everyone was. | 2011-11-29T01:49:45-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/28/women-why-must-you-assault-men-with-your-evil-sexy-outfits/comment-page-3/#comment-89633 |
... then Twisty Faster and Amanda Marcotte saying that none of the others even get “it”...I know Amanda M. is a favorite villain of the MRM, but these two are not really in the same category of feminist at all. |
2011-11-28T21:04:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/28/women-why-must-you-assault-men-with-your-evil-sexy-outfits/comment-page-2/#comment-89492 |
Two more from piny:
Submitted on 2011/11/28 at 9:58 am Nope, I already said I agree some things do count as harassment. They’re just not as grave or as common as you make them sound. Why is it that some women see creepiness and harassment everywhere, while others experience it so rarely they don’t even think about it? There’s confirmation bias here, but not on my part. That’s not a sensible way to think about a group phenomenon–and it certainly doesn’t mean that the intellectually honest approach is to choose the group of outliers that confirm your own biases. Most women report a certain level of harassment. For most women, it’s not occasional. And most women report a steady-stream of lower-level incidences that are exactly the sort of thing a normal person wouldn’t notice from a bystander’s point of view. And as far as differences between women–think about the differences in normal lives. If I drove my car to work, I wouldn’t have to deal with the subway and the sidewalk. If I worked in an office, I wouldn’t have to deal with customers. If I worked a day shift, I wouldn’t have to walk home after dark. If I lived in the suburbs, I would probably never see my neighbors. There’s nothing mysterious about any of this, let alone suspect. Submitted on 2011/11/28 at 10:00 am Happens in crowded spaces all the time. Now if there were three people on the bus and a guy’s crotch was four inches from my face, that’d be a problem. But otherwise I don’t see the issue. See how you just assumed that the guy had a good reason to be doing that, and that the woman didn’t have a good reason to think of it as a problem? Even though she’s probably been on a crowded bus before? That’s your bias talking. |
2011-11-28T15:19:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/26/dear-men-who-hate-ladies-how-do-i-make-my-boner-go-away/comment-page-12/#comment-89063 |
Just approved several comments from a new commenter called piny; they show up on the previous page of comments, so I'm just going to repost them here so they won't be missed:
Submitted on 2011/11/28 at 9:46 am Honestly, I think you’re giving yourself too much credit. We tend not to notice threatening or creepy behavior when it’s not directed at us. Even women downplay stuff that has happened–I had a conversation with a male friend where I mentioned that I’d only been inappropriately touched once since I arrived here (this guy caressed my hair on the bus–trust me, not ambiguous). Later on in the conversation, I mentioned a date where this guy hadn’t heard my several nos, and really upset me, and he was like, wait, you said once, and I said, oh, yeah, but that was someone I knew. Many women will say that nothing serious has happened to them, but if you draw them out, you’ll hear about a lot of pretty serious and scary stuff. I used to say that, until I realized that someone who had a stalker who required police intervention at sixteen probably shouldn’t. And women aren’t talking about stuff like, “This guy was looking at me funny.” They’re saying stuff like, “This guy said I had nice tits.” That’s not subjective. Either the guy commented on your tits or he didn’t. You agree that that’s an unpleasant thing to hear, right? And yeah, chalk me up as one of those daily-basis people. The thing is, men tend not to do this where other men can see and intervene. And I have never, never been harassed when I’ve been with a male friend or partner. They do it when women are alone, and they often do it quietly. It’s plausible deniability. You remember playing “I’m not touching youuuuuuuuu….” with your siblings during car trips? It’s like that. I can tell you that I currently get at least several catcalls a day as I walk around the city center, usually from much older men. They’re a local variety: quiet, in passing, a few words muttered over your shoulder. It’s not just a creepy feeling–older men do this when I walk by. I can also tell you that my male friends are absolutely shocked that this happens constantly and even more shocked that old guys are the ones doing it. They know that catcalls happen, and they’re okay with the idea, but they think that it’s nice young men like themselves complimenting beautiful women on their appearance. They’re incredulous when they hear about the Creepy Grandpa Goodwill Army. Because they’ve never heard it themselves. They don’t tell me I’m lying or just not hearing the creepy grandpas correctly, though. |
2011-11-28T15:16:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/26/dear-men-who-hate-ladies-how-do-i-make-my-boner-go-away/comment-page-12/#comment-89059 |
Slavey, the overwhelming majority of serial killers are men, so by your logic men are the vilest people to walk the planet. Also, not to nitpick, but those aren't the worst serial killers in the US. Henry Lee Lucas? Gary Ridgway? Ted Bundy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims Outside of America, you may recall a guy by the name of Anders Breivik, who killed 77 people, mostly children. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/07/26/how_anders_behring_breivik_s_male_insecurities_informed_his_viol.html |
2011-11-26T21:09:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/26/dear-men-who-hate-ladies-how-do-i-make-my-boner-go-away/comment-page-1/#comment-87908 |
Arks, I'm pretty sure that THIS is the most half-assed attempt at a cock I’ve ever seen. http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j61/zakr_2006/penis.png |
2011-11-26T20:53:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/26/dear-men-who-hate-ladies-how-do-i-make-my-boner-go-away/comment-page-1/#comment-87895 |
Ironically, Slavey gets all of his information about sodomy by pulling it out of his ass. | 2011-11-26T20:49:35-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/26/dear-men-who-hate-ladies-how-do-i-make-my-boner-go-away/comment-page-1/#comment-87890 |
Ah, the classic “I hate women, but I want to fuck them” MGTOW dilemma.I even have a tag for it! http://manboobz.com/category/mgtow-paradox/ It's weird. While what they're trying to do here is similar to those Christian fundamentalist "cure yourself of teh gay" "therapies", except they're fighting against desires for women, the idea of going gay is rarely every discussed except jokingly. But I don't think many of these guys are closet cases. I think they're almost all zeroes on the Kinsey scale -- that is, as hetero as it's possible to be. I don't think their intense hatred of women makes sense unless it's motivated in large part by thwarted (hetero)sexual desire. That said, I wonder sometimes if MarkyMark's pal Christopher in Oregon is gay (in a really fucked-up closeted can't admit it to himself way). |
2011-11-26T17:05:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/26/dear-men-who-hate-ladies-how-do-i-make-my-boner-go-away/comment-page-1/#comment-87830 |
NWO, I'm taking you off moderation. What the heck. DKM, I think your suggestion that Manboobzers hate kitties may be the wackiest thing you've ever said. And that is really really really saying something. |
2011-11-25T21:15:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/25/hole-lotta-hate/comment-page-2/#comment-87502 |
Keyster, I would respond to your comment above, but I cannot make head or tail of it except that you seem to think that the "female gender" is a "her," that is, one giant woman, and that you seem to think that misogyny is fine. If anyone else is curious, here's the link to the piece of his I quoted earlier: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/two-halves-of-the-same-movement/ |
2011-11-25T17:59:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/25/hole-lotta-hate/comment-page-2/#comment-87441 |
Man, I am glad that collectable dolls don't have the right to vote. | 2011-11-25T16:25:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/19/100-mathmatically-accurate-manosphere-blogger-dalrock-on-slut-shaming/comment-page-16/#comment-87399 |
DKM said:
I still think that kitten is ADORABLE!! Why can’t some of you modern women take your cue from it?Ladies! Grow fur and start rolling around on the floor! Just make sure to poop in your box. That's all we guys really ask. |
2011-11-25T16:02:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/25/hole-lotta-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-87386 |
Keyster, well, if some guy posting on one of the most popular sites for MRAs, who got 40-plus upvotes and no downvotes, is a weird fringe dude who in no way represents opinions prevalent amongst MRAs, then let's turn to a post (not a comment) from another MRA site:
As more men dissect the pathology of the “feminine mystique,” they’re more and more disappointed at what they find underneath the once mysterious veneer of “sugar and spice and everything nice,” They’re starting to view women exactly how feminists intended for them to. Not as “sex objects” and “domestic slaves,” but as high-functioning contributors to the ongoing advancement of the human race. Imagine that! And when you strip away the sexual allure, uniqueness, subtlety and delicate nature of the feminine, you end up with a rather diminished and often tedious version of the masculine in a pantsuit.... You’re not cute anymore ladies. You’re surly, demanding and competing against us for employment in a dog eat dog world on a tilted playing field. It’s not just feminists or even women as a group anymore; its individual women we’re directing our disgust and apathy towards too. That’s a shift in consciousness. We can be partners in life again or virulent enemies, sworn to destroy each other. Which will it be? Peace or war? Love or hate? The next few years of our civilization’s history might be your last chance to make amends, before the “Collapse.” And by then it might be too late, because when fighting for food and water, who do you think will win? You’re either with us or against us. Start tearing down the wall feminism built and learn to love men again and all will be forgiven.That's pretty obnoxiously misogynistic, don't you think? Do you agree with this crap? Is the guy who wrote that some weird misogynistic outlier in the MRM? |
2011-11-25T15:59:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/25/hole-lotta-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-87384 |
I have to assume that whatever's comment about the vagina's alleged penis-clinging powers is a joke. Then again, at one point I believed that people having sex would regularly get stuck together like dogs. Of course, I was maybe 9 years old at the time. Maybe whatever is 9 years old? That would explain a few things. |
2011-11-23T20:35:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/22/a-man-is-not-being-respected-if-the-woman-he-is-with-has-spent-her-youth-beauty-and-fertility-on-someone-else-um-what/comment-page-4/#comment-86939 |
Here's a Swedish blog's reaction to the bounty:
http://fivastragotaland.se/2011/11/24/antifeministisk-hatvag-och-kvallens-svt-debatt/
Here is the blogger's Google-translated (and oddly poetic) reaction to wandering into the AVfM comments section:
Click, click, I enter further into the world where the clocks stopped in the middle ages. The lack of oxygen and light, makes no life in sight. Letters creates bitter and angry sentences without substance. Messages on the order of things from another planet? Or is it an installation, an art that I do not understand? |
2011-11-23T18:01:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/21/mens-rights-site-a-voice-for-men-offers-1000-bounty-for-personal-information-on-swedish-feminists/comment-page-12/#comment-86898 |
Holly, absolutely, none of the "bigots" listed, including Tiptree (who actually is a bigot), deserve to be harassed. Wetehrby, oops. Fixed that. In my defense, it's a really really Hammeresque film. |
2011-11-23T17:19:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/23/and-what-if-they-get-killed-a-voice-for-men-as-an-antifeminist-witchfinder-general/comment-page-1/#comment-86889 |
http://manboobz.com/?s=breivik | 2011-11-23T04:02:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/22/why-fucking-their-shit-up-is-fucked-up/comment-page-1/#comment-86324 |
Oh, so it’s a terrible, terrible problem when men try to make people glorifying violence against them accountable?"Accountable" meaning potential targets of violence? For making a video? Yes, that is a big problem. And that would be true if the genders were reversed. Here's a picture someone posted to Reddit the other day; it got lots of upvotes and positive comments. http://i.qkme.me/35bviq.jpg Do I think the person who posted that should be hunted down? No, I don't. The picture was a joke, albeit a hateful one. The SCUM video was part of a theatrical production, albeit a hateful one. Let me ask you something, David: do you think it’s a problem when girls at Brown University scribble the names of alleged date rapists on bathroom stalls?Yes I do. |
2011-11-22T22:34:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/21/mens-rights-site-a-voice-for-men-offers-1000-bounty-for-personal-information-on-swedish-feminists/comment-page-7/#comment-86156 |
Man, I remember when watching South Park was edgy. I was like five at the time.Oy. When I was five Laugh-In was still on the air. I am old, old, old. Anyway, I am seriously thinking of putting the word "brandon" in the moderation filter, to at least slow the flood of comments by and about Brandon to a trickle. Please, people, move on, or I will actually do that. |
2011-11-22T22:15:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/21/mens-rights-site-a-voice-for-men-offers-1000-bounty-for-personal-information-on-swedish-feminists/comment-page-7/#comment-86130 |
NWO, a detailed survey of a representative sample of 16,000 men and women is not "the smallest study ever done." You asked some questions specifically about the methodology of the study; I provided you links to the study and a summary of the study's findings (which you obviously didn't read); if you look at them you can see just how they conducted the study. |
2011-11-22T17:41:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/21/mens-rights-site-a-voice-for-men-offers-1000-bounty-for-personal-information-on-swedish-feminists/comment-page-4/#comment-85843 |
NWO, if you want to know the specifics of the National Violence Against Women survey, you could always put the words "National Violence Against Women survey" into Google. Here are the first two results: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/183781.pdf https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf The researchers explain the methodology in detail. You could also reread my "debate" with Elam on DV, in which I discuss the survey, and correct a rather silly misinterpretation/misrepresentation of its results by Mr. Elam. I don't know why I bother. The chances of slavey reading any of these things is about the same as the chances that monkeys will fly out of my ass and make me lunch. |
2011-11-22T16:23:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/21/mens-rights-site-a-voice-for-men-offers-1000-bounty-for-personal-information-on-swedish-feminists/comment-page-4/#comment-85815 |
Eoghan has now put up a couple of bullshitty posts about us all on his blog. They are based on some pretty big untruths. I would say that they are lies, but I think Eoghan's brain is so warped that actually believes what he is saying is true. Here he's decided that we all "tacitly support" the SCUM video (despite the fact that we've all condemned it): http://acatalogueoflies.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/manboobz-and-supporters-give-tacit-approval-of-radical-feminist-anti-male-hate-propaganda-scum-being-taught-to-high-school-children/ And here's his completely backward, Bizarro-world misinterpretation/misrepresentation of Holly's "slavering rapist" post: http://acatalogueoflies.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/feminist-blogger-that-promotes-the-idea-that-women-should-be-afraid-of-men-makes-a-false-accusation/ It's this sort of shit (repeated over and over again) that is why he's banned on this blog. |
2011-11-22T16:15:21-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/21/mens-rights-site-a-voice-for-men-offers-1000-bounty-for-personal-information-on-swedish-feminists/comment-page-4/#comment-85813 |
NOTE: Cat San Day is our friend Eoghan. I let these two comments through because they are weird and creepy and full of complete bullshit. but he is still banned. To paraphrase Paris Hilton, explaining why she and Nicole Richie weren't talking at one point, "he knows what he did." Or maybe that was Nicole talking about Paris. Whatever. Also, Eoghan probably doesn't know what he did. Because he's Eoghan, and seems to make up his own reality. | 2011-11-22T07:35:28-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/21/mens-rights-site-a-voice-for-men-offers-1000-bounty-for-personal-information-on-swedish-feminists/comment-page-3/#comment-85724 |
I've put NWO on moderation again for being an even bigger asshole than he usually is. Brandon, yes, the bounty is worse than the video. |
2011-11-22T01:53:43-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/21/mens-rights-site-a-voice-for-men-offers-1000-bounty-for-personal-information-on-swedish-feminists/comment-page-3/#comment-85683 |
Antichrist, yeah. Like The Woman, I took it to be a film about misogyny rather than a misogynist film. It's been awhile since I've seen it; so I don;t have much else to say about it off the top of my head. MRAs might like it because, hey, evil woman! Cuz that's how they are! But they might also see it as glorifying the, you know, what happens with the, you know, penis. I thought it was a brilliant movie, and one that I've been meaning to rewatch. And Quackers, if you want some other interesting vampire films, I'd recommend Thirst (a Korean film by the director of Oldboy) or the French film Trouble Every Day. I tend to think that gender issues in horror movies are really complicated and ambiguous. Fear is coded female in our society -- if you show a man being terrified he tends to be seen as a wimp -- so most victims in horror films (or at least the ones that get the most screen time) tend to be female. But I think there's more to that than misogyny; as Carol Clover argues in a famous essay on the "final girl," even guys who are watching horror films tend to identify a lot with the victims. (And directors use various tricks to get you into the victim's POV.) Also, while women tend to be the main victims, they also (since victims fight back) get to be the heroines of the films, especially if they survive. There are a lot of great female characters in horror movies, and they tend to pass the Bechdel test with flying colors. (Or at lest more often than films in most other genres.) In some ways I think horror films are a modernized and feminized version of westerns, which in many ways are all about suffering -- the heroes (usually male) have to endure a lot of shit, in many ways as bad as what victims in horror films have to endure. Just think of Clint Eastwood's sun-ravaged face in The Good the Bad and the Ugly. Of course, westerns are all about stoic endurance, while horror films are about terror. Of course the other big thing to remember about horror films is that the audience basically identifies both with the victims/hero(ines) AND with the monsters/villains. (Think of the opening of Halloween, where you're literally seeing the first murders through Michael Meyers' eyes.) People are a lot more likely to dress as Frankenstein's monster for halloween than they are Dr. Frankenstein, or the little girl he throws into the river. People are a lot more likely to dress as Michael Meyers than they are to dress as Jamie Lee Curtis' babysitter character. I'm sort of working on a horror-related project so I'm trying to sort a lot of these things out. |
2011-11-21T05:11:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/20/man-boobz-review-lucky-mckees-the-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-84954 |
That's right, MRAL, the horror film industry is one big plot against men. Katz, no more horror films for a while; back to the ongoing horror that is the manosphere. Quackers, if you're not a big horror fan, I'd say give this and both Human Centipedes a pass. Have you seen Let The Right One In? I'd recommend that one to everyone, horror fan or no. |
2011-11-21T03:02:32-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/20/man-boobz-review-lucky-mckees-the-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-84930 |
Issues of gender and violence in horror movies can be pretty complicated. In this film, I don't think the violence against women is exploitative; it's supposed to make the audience (male and female) uncomfortable and at least in my case it was quite effective at this. | 2011-11-20T22:57:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/20/man-boobz-review-lucky-mckees-the-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-84863 |
dsc, FWIW, while we only see "the woman" outside of her mini-society (all the rest of her family were killed in the previous movie), it's clear that she has a sense of right and wrong; she doesn't kill indiscriminately. At the end of the movie it's pretty clear SPOILER ALERT that she aims to reconstruct that miniature society. Also SPOILER ALERT AGAIN there's a character in the film that has literally been raised by dogs, and it acts according to dog social norms. SPOILER ALERT AGAIN: MRAL -- you actually watched the film? Woah.Given that you dismiss the director as a "sniveling mangina,":I'm not sure what sort of discussion we can really have, but I'll bite. The women were not all paragons of virtue.The mother was complicit in her husband's abuse (of the woman, of the daughter, of the other daughter in the barn) for years; we see one scene in which she has the opportunity to stop her husband's abuse of the woman and she pointedly doesn't take it. It's hard not to feel broad sympathy towards her character -- obviously she's also being abused -- but McKee clearly wants us to see her as partially culpable.That's why the woman kills her. The female teacher who "tries to help" is also a bit of a creepy letch; she really doesn't take the daughters' feelings into account at all. Its' really not clear at all what's motivates her besides general busy-bodiness. She doesn't really seem to have the best interests of the girl in mind. Why on earth would someone trying to help tell the parents of their daughter's apparent pregnancy, specifically against the girl's wishes? |
2011-11-20T22:28:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/20/man-boobz-review-lucky-mckees-the-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-84832 |
dsc, yeah, this film is sort of in the tradition of "the hills have eyes," in which downtrodden members of the dominant culture sort of go feral. The Woman is a sequel to the film The Offspring; in the earlier film "the woman" is the head of a little clan that's been living in the wild for generations. One point that McKee (and co-writer Jack Ketchum) try to make (a little heavy handedly) is the degree to which people are affected by their environments -- the son in the film is sort of turning into a clone of his psychopathic misogynist dad. (And there's another character who illustrates this even more clearly, but I don't want to give anything more away.) |
2011-11-20T20:10:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/20/man-boobz-review-lucky-mckees-the-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-84614 |
tatjna, FWIW, it's gotten only limited theatrical release here in the US. Hopefully they'll get it out on video soon, here and wherever you live! | 2011-11-20T19:54:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/20/man-boobz-review-lucky-mckees-the-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-84601 |
Molly, haven't seen Black Snake Moan, but from what I know about it it seems very different from this film, despite the whole "woman chained up allegedly for her own good" thing in both films. Everyone, check out this thread derail on the IMDb forum for The Woman: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1714208/board/nest/186352142 |
2011-11-20T19:52:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/20/man-boobz-review-lucky-mckees-the-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-84599 |
Just fished this comment from many hours ago out of the moderation queue; wouldn't want anyone to miss it, so here it is in its entirety. Have at it!
Doyourownresearch | November 19, 2011 at 10:05 pm Fret not, my brethren. You will be a master of the universe in the long run, so long as you stick to the script. In the end, good guys get the last laugh. These players, or as Roissy says “alpha males,” are doing all the rest of us a favor in the long run. They operate very much like short sellers in the dating market, exposing fraud and helping to discover the true prices of commodities (women). I’m not a big fan of evolutionary psychology, so I’ll implore you to think about the situation this way. Let’s take a 21-year old chick who’s between a 7/8 (cute to pretty). She’s the equivalent of Roy Jones, Jr. in his prime, all attributes, no fundamentals or technique. She garners the attention of males both older and younger. She can pretty much get sex whenever she wants it and with whomever she wants to have it with. And that is ultimately her downfall. Young women (and some older ones) have an overinflated sense of the value of their vaginas. I mean, they have Wharton MBAs paying for exotic trips and they’re drinking Cosmos in the VIP with the Wizards. Why wouldn’t they? Since they are able to get such easy access to “alpha” dick, it follows logically that they should also have access to “alpha” wealth, marriage, and the lifestyle that accompanies all of that, right? Wrong. See, when women gain this enormous sense of pussy power, they swing for the fences. That’s what power does to people. It makes them crave more. So, the cute guy with a 3.8 GPA, but no car? Nope, not good enough. The nice-looking pre-med student? “Nah, I’ll just get back to him later. I heard Jude Law’s hotter brother is transferring here this semester.” They invariably end up overplaying their hand. They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27. It’s a good thing she kept that pre-med Johns Hopkins student in her back pocket just in case things didn’t work out with the player, right? Wrong again. In a vacuum, women would have their way. Men beg for sex. Women decide whether to give it to them (and for most guys, they will not give it to you). But luckily, we don’t live in a vacuum. We live in the real world with social constraints, and there are two that work distinctly to a man’s advantage: reputation and age. Men take notes. Ladies, don’t think our homeboy didn’t tell us about the time he bought you drinks, only for you to walk away and make fun of him with your girlfriends. Don’t think we won’t remember your bitchiness. And don’t think we won’t remember those guys who you ran behind like a cum bucket. We remember. And we punish. When a man sleeps with 100 chicks, he’s a stud. When a woman sleeps with JUST ONE guy, that eliminates you as wifey material to ALL of his friends. Seriously, how many times have you met a cute girl and your friends said, “Oh, she was with _____.” It was a wrap. Women who aren’t able to learn their true value quickly and then make wise decisions early on pay a hefty price in the long run. The height of a woman’s value, in terms of her value as a long term partner, is around the age of 27. That is the praecipice. She must make the decision: settle down or play around. Her best choice, if she wants to get married, is to begin actively pursuing a husband. But she faces a couple of problems. First, she wants to marry up (older, richer, higher status). But by this time, her peers are just hitting their prime. They’ve picked up some wealth and game along the way, and are seeking to exact revenge against the throngs of women now begging for engagement rings. Second, she’s got competition. Those new “alphas” aren’t trying to mess with used goods. They want that 21 year old model. And for a Harvard MBA on Wall Street, that’s not an unrealistic expectation. The older she gets, the more her singlehood gets scrutinized by men. Why the hell is she still single? Who’s cock has she been sucking all these years? This bitch must be crazy or something. And let’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential? She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom. I don’t think so. It’s now my time to swing for the fences and bang some of these 21 year olds that I couldn’t bang in college. In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her. It takes a lot of women a long time to understand this, and thus, they overplay their hand. If it wasn’t for the players dogging them out, these women would not get a sense of their true value and start to seek out men who fit within their price range. One last thing. I would encourage attractive women to read Greek mythology, especially the story of Icarus. Icarus, with his new but fragile wings, could not resist flying too close to the sun. Attractive women, with their pretty faces and firm backsides, often can’t break the spell of the intoxicating power that comes along with those attributes. Power’s a hard thing to give up. It’s a lot like winning at the craps table. Some people just don’t know when to quit and cash in their chips. And when they don’t have the good sense to cash in their chips, they often end up just like Icarus–dead in the water. |
2011-11-20T00:57:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/19/100-mathmatically-accurate-manosphere-blogger-dalrock-on-slut-shaming/comment-page-5/#comment-84259 |
Wetherby, yeah, the first film did suffer a bit from the "what now?" question, though I suppose that's one of the many things that's inherently wrong with the whole mouth-to-anus fantasy in the first place. Dr. Heiter *does* try to train his new centipede to play fetch, FWIW. The second one, as i said, is a much better movie, and the "what now?" question is dealt with in a much smarter way. (Well, director Tom Six deals with it better; the main character doesn't.) Again, not a film for everyone. |
2011-11-19T19:21:51-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/19/100-mathmatically-accurate-manosphere-blogger-dalrock-on-slut-shaming/comment-page-1/#comment-83957 |
Wait, I thought none of these guys want marriage, because then they’ll lose all their bitcoins or something.Dalrock is a rare exception; he claims to be happily married to a "sexy" wife. (I like that he feels he has to say she's "sexy" lest any manosphere dudes think he's gotten hitched to some uggo.) He even has a few of what manosphere dudes like to call "womb turds." |
2011-11-19T19:13:33-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/19/100-mathmatically-accurate-manosphere-blogger-dalrock-on-slut-shaming/comment-page-1/#comment-83955 |
Beloved Banzai Mold Turf Bombard unloved flea zit Bedevil Farmland Zoo Tub Ban Bed Devil Matzo Flour! Evil Bamboozled Art Fund Hey, Evil, why not give us your real name so we can make anagrams of it? |
2011-11-19T02:59:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/18/this-just-in-girls-are-stinky/comment-page-2/#comment-83886 |
now I'm imagining Meller as Pop-Pop in the attic on Arrested Development: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd6QeqlXli0 |
2011-11-18T18:00:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/04/johnny-appleseed-a-man-going-his-own-way/comment-page-13/#comment-83820 |
ithiliana, that kitten in the video is not grooming him. Clearly it is a zombie kitten trying to eat his brains! | 2011-11-18T16:06:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/18/this-just-in-girls-are-stinky/comment-page-1/#comment-83758 |
Now THAT is some hot pole dancing action! | 2011-11-18T02:17:58-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/16/does-the-national-coalition-for-men-think-violence-against-elected-officials-is-a-joke/comment-page-3/#comment-83607 |
xanthe, I really like: Hi, Strangest Victims and Snatch Germs Visit It The latter seems especially relevant for the post I'm working on at the moment. |
2011-11-18T00:26:24-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/17/mra-demands-that-people-stop-calling-him-an-mra-and-instead-call-him-an-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-83581 |
Once again I bow to the vast amounts of arcane knowledge that manboobzers have at their fingertips. | 2011-11-17T19:47:30-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/17/if-youre-havin-robogirl-problems-i-feel-bad-for-you-son/comment-page-1/#comment-83506 |
isnt fidelbogen one of those dudes whose always getting quoted here going on about how much women suck or whatever.I don't remember him ever being really overtly misogynistic; he's a bit more subtle about it. Instead of calling women whores he just argues at length that men need to stop having sex with women so as to "devalue" female sexuality. He sort of specializes in incredibly longwinded pomposity. |
2011-11-17T19:41:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/17/mra-demands-that-people-stop-calling-him-an-mra-and-instead-call-him-an-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-83501 |
On a totally different note, I actually watched Resident Evil Apocalypse the other night. It's a dumb movie, and it barely has a plot beyond "let's come up with excuses to punch, kick, shoot and/or blow shit up." But the action is impressive. I'm going to have to watch the next couple of sequels too. | 2011-11-17T19:05:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/16/does-the-national-coalition-for-men-think-violence-against-elected-officials-is-a-joke/comment-page-3/#comment-83486 |
blitzgal, thanks for that link. If anyone wants to remind themselves how common this is, there's a site that catalogs DV related crimes -- mostly murder and attempted murder: http://www.domesticviolencecrimewatch.com/ And before MRAs jump in and say men are being vilified, the site also chronicles DV-related murders by women as well. It's just a lot less common. |
2011-11-17T19:03:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/16/does-the-national-coalition-for-men-think-violence-against-elected-officials-is-a-joke/comment-page-3/#comment-83485 |
Brandon said:
I support maternity and paternity testing prior to children leaving the hospital. No man should be forced to pay for a child that isn’t his and women shouldn’t be given a child that isn’t hers.Er, generally speaking, after a woman gives birth there really isn't much need for maternity testing. Generally, it's easy to tell who the mother is, what with the baby coming out of her vagina (or thru c-section) and all. |
2011-11-17T03:53:36-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/14/mra-who-cares-if-mencallyouthings-its-not-like-women-have-any-real-problems/comment-page-9/#comment-83290 |
kladle, thanks for all your quotes and links! I will do a NCFM roundup post shortly. | 2011-11-17T01:50:19-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/16/does-the-national-coalition-for-men-think-violence-against-elected-officials-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-83282 |
ewme, that video was a film project put together by a small group of women who don't represent anyone but themselves. The NCFM is basically the one and only MR organization of any size in the US*, and has some of the biggest name MRAs and allies on its board of advisors. It's also a group reguarly cited by MRAs commenting here as being a representative of sane, non-hateful MR activism. *Fathers and Families doesn't describe itself as a MR group, but rather a father's rights group. |
2011-11-17T01:49:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/16/does-the-national-coalition-for-men-think-violence-against-elected-officials-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-83281 |
Our pal Toysoldier has some thoughts about this post: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/a-dose-of-stupid-v56/ Naturally, he feels the need to misrepresent me and some of the commenters here. |
2011-11-16T21:35:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/13/showdown-mencallmethings-versus-the-catalogue-of-anti-male-shaming-tactics/comment-page-7/#comment-83141 |
It was David who released part of my email address without my consent.I didn't "release" even part of your email address. You publicly linked yourself to that deviantArt page, which appears to be under the name of a real person, presumably you. Though maybe it's a fake name; I don't know, and I don't care. If you publicly link your name to a particular web site, most people are going to assume it's your web site. Could you simply answer with a yes or no -- is it your web site? |
2011-11-16T18:16:52-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-5/#comment-82969 |
(that last comment is for factfinder, in case that's not clear.) | 2011-11-16T16:51:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-5/#comment-82937 |
So because I linked to a troll site I take it seriously?What are you talking about here? Are you talking about the video you linked to, or the deviantArt page? If the latter, and you're claiming that it isn't your site, why did you also use the email of the deviantArt person as your email when you started posting here? |
2011-11-16T16:51:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-5/#comment-82936 |
Now FactFinder is officially creeping me out. I went back and looked at some of his oldest comments here and noticed that before he set up his livejournal page, he used to link to his deviantArt profile: http://peririck.deviantart.com/ Check out the 3D gaming project he claims to be working on, something called ""Preggo Punchout" Also, at one point he linked to this video featuring a guy (evidently not him) who held his own one-man protest march for lowering the age of consent to 14. http://vimeo.com/26500746 I'm not quite sure how to "interpret" all this. But I won't ask FF what he meant, because apparently any possible interpretation I can give it would be correct, at least according to FF's previous comment on the subject of interpretation. |
2011-11-16T03:07:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-4/#comment-82819 |
FF, the picture says "find the difference" but I have no idea what that means because the picture is too small to see who the people in the picture are. Communication does not seem to be your strong point. |
2011-11-16T02:48:55-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-4/#comment-82814 |
Threats and personal attacks are more of a feminist thing.So now you're a comedian? |
2011-11-16T02:26:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-3/#comment-82806 |
FF said:
You mean like how David assumed everyone he doesn’t like is a member of The Spearhead?Dude, you KNOW that's not true. I told you explicitly that's not what I meant, then I reworded the sentence to make it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's not what I meant. Either you are the most stubbornly literal-minded person I've ever met or you're simply lying. In any case, what you're saying here is simply not true. |
2011-11-16T01:56:59-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-3/#comment-82790 |
NC4OM:
I said I grew up in Asia and you ASSumed in one country.I could have sworn at one point you said you grew up in the Caribbean .And you also claim to have visited a zillion mosques around the world. How did you manage all this? Where have you lived, and where are you now? Also, you claimed to be a former Muslim. So when did you reject that; how long have you been Hindu? Also, why have you changed your identities here multiple times? I'm going to put you on moderation, because you're starting to get on my nerves, and I'm beginning to suspect you're full of shit..If you can answer these questions to my satisfaction I may take you off of moderation. I don't really care what your answer is on any of these questions, and I won;t reveal any info you don't want me to reveal. I just want to make sure you're not lying to us all. |
2011-11-15T23:10:09-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-2/#comment-82702 |
Dracula, thanks, but these guys tend to be very literal-minded; sometimes I figure it's better just to reword things and move on. | 2011-11-15T18:45:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-1/#comment-82526 |
Do you have proof that this individual is related to the Spearhead or even the Men’s Rights Movement in general?FF, no, and I didn't mean to imply that he was an actual Spearheader. I've reworded that bit. I'm not saying that these guys are MRAs. Just that they sound a lot like the MRAs I regularly quote here. They have the same misogynistic beliefs. |
2011-11-15T18:39:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/15/men-who-hate-women-and-the-women-they-try-to-date-another-visit-to-the-annals-of-online-dating/comment-page-1/#comment-82519 |
Alex, I think Arks is a troll, and in the old school sense of posting this shit as a joke. But I'm not sure. He recently posted some stuff that seemed oddly sincere. CONFIDENTIAL TO MRAL: Please try posting comments that aren't entirely personal attacks, and that don't contain the word "princess." They are more likely to make it past me. |
2011-11-14T20:18:39-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/14/mra-who-cares-if-mencallyouthings-its-not-like-women-have-any-real-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-82003 |
Note: Anonymous and BRO-MAGNON are the same person. Or, possibly, conjoined twins. | 2011-11-14T18:22:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/19/are-nice-guys-sociopaths/comment-page-3/#comment-81967 |
@random6x7, now that is a comment!
@whatever, I think you win the creepy troll of the year award.
@no cuntry, you said:
I’d rather starve to death than have sex with most of the men in this country. Old, ugly, thin lips or no lips at all. Even the celebs are like this. Ew. Just ew.Is it just me or does this sound like a rather unappealing mixture of racism, ageism, and, yes, misandry? no cuntry, the more you comment here the more you sound like a sort of mirror image of the guys we mock here. EDITED TO ADD: I mean, you're entitled to not have sex with anyone you don't want to have sex with, as we all are, but in dismissing most men in the country you're living in as "ew" for being "old, ugly" and thin-lipped you're sounding like an MGTOW talking about his hatred of "ameriskanks." |
2011-11-14T16:03:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/10/is-reddit-a-magnet-for-pedophiles/comment-page-4/#comment-81832 |
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth -- that video is like the myth of Sisyphus, but with kittens instead of rocks. Of course, owning a cat at all pretty much makes your life into the myth of Sisyphus, but with cats. |
2011-11-14T15:41:25-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-5/#comment-81822 |
I haven't caught up with this thread yet, but I'm getting really really tired of the Islam derails. So no more discussion of Islam on this blog for now. Or maybe ever. I haven't decided. I'm pretty sure there are other places on the internet where Islam can be discussed, so anyone who wants to keep discussing it, go to one of those. If people continue discussing it, they will go on moderation. |
2011-11-14T02:11:40-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/13/showdown-mencallmethings-versus-the-catalogue-of-anti-male-shaming-tactics/comment-page-4/#comment-81645 |
Okay, I have to say I find it very annoying that NC4OM! has hijacked two separate threads at the same time in her single-minded quest to bash Islam.I also find it annoying. So let's just say no more discussion of Islam on this blog for now. Or maybe ever. I haven't decided. I'm pretty there are other places on the internet where Islam can be discussed, so anyone who wants to keep discussing it, go to one of those. If people continue discussing it, they will go on moderation. |
2011-11-14T02:07:16-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-5/#comment-81641 |
Flib, I believe that the influence of sphinx cats is offset by this cat. http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2149818.jpg I would call attention in particular to its large size and extreme furriness. |
2011-11-13T17:54:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-4/#comment-81307 |
Alright, MRAL, you brave dissident, there you go, I let those latest two comments through. Bee: But have you considered this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OO9CqgBYdkw |
2011-11-13T17:48:26-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-4/#comment-81300 |
"Man Boobz: A blog for man-hating feminists who are confused about sexuality and the world in general, who are generally very naive." Hey, a possible new slogan! |
2011-11-13T17:31:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-4/#comment-81286 |
According to my best guesstimates, 27% of MRAs are lint-covered lollipops; another 46.2% are buckets of sand; the remainder are flying bunny poop (with 30% of that last 26.8% being the poop of flying bunnies and 70% being flying poop from regular non-flying bunnies). I am happy to discuss substantive critiques of my model and look at any evidence you have to present to me that might challenge my guesstimated percentages here. (Note: I only accept evidence in the form of pictures of kitties.) |
2011-11-13T17:28:08-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-4/#comment-81282 |
TAB said:
The relationship between Jeremiah and myself is a complex oneAs in, you share the same body? When you posted your pic here earlier, it was from a gravitar account under the name JeremiaMRA. |
2011-11-13T16:29:41-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-3/#comment-81211 |
In case anyone is wondering, the comment from MRAL I didn't let through referred to intersex people as "deformed." I didn't think it added to the discussion. | 2011-11-13T16:26:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-3/#comment-81210 |
heroicman, are you for real? Do you actually read any of the things you link to? You posted this:
http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2011/02/the-bullies-speak/ is a good article on how MRM is against conservative women who like traditional gender roles.The blog post in question actually details the vicious, threatening misogynist comments The Thinking Housewife got from MRAs after she criticized them. I'm no fan of her work -- she is a social conservative and if I remember correctly also an unapologetic racist -- but that doesn't justify the treatment she got. Here's one of the comments she got: She is worthless, untouchable filth. She should have been aborted with a chainsaw. |
2011-11-13T16:23:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/11/you-lying-bitches-wouldnt-know-misogyny-if-it-bit-you-on-your-ass/comment-page-5/#comment-81209 |
Take a look at the picture illustrating this article, and read the caption: http://ncfm.org/2011/10/news/discrimination-against-men-news/leahy-bill-would-turn-every-college-male-into-a-rape-suspect/ Yeah, ncfm is a totally reasonable site. |
2011-11-13T15:49:05-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/11/you-lying-bitches-wouldnt-know-misogyny-if-it-bit-you-on-your-ass/comment-page-5/#comment-81193 |
In case anyone is worried, there's a separate video of the cat climbing out of the vase. Kitties are claustrophilic! Things Are Bad, so why are you now posting on Reddit with two accounts (thingsarebad and JeremiahMRA)? |
2011-11-13T14:53:53-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-3/#comment-81172 |
I believe this is our friend thingsarebad: http://en.gravatar.com/jeremiahmra |
2011-11-13T01:29:37-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-2/#comment-80990 |
I just let a really wrong and creepy comment by "whatever" out of moderation. So have at it, people. NWO, you're still off moderation. Your comment got held for mentioning NAMBLA. But it's up now, and I'm going to take NAMBLA out of the filter. |
2011-11-13T00:59:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/10/is-reddit-a-magnet-for-pedophiles/comment-page-3/#comment-80981 |
thebionicmommy, I have to confess that I didn't make it through thingsarebad's whole comment either. I tried, but that final wall of text was just too much for me. | 2011-11-12T18:30:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/12/lesbianism-by-numbers-courtesy-of-the-mens-rights-subreddit-plus-kitties/comment-page-1/#comment-80911 |
Here's a pretty surreal discussion of Penn State from r/mensrights. LittleTiger, the main voice of reason here, is not an MRA. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/m7ep0/is_anyone_else_upset_about_the_demonization_of/ |
2011-11-12T15:08:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/10/is-reddit-a-magnet-for-pedophiles/comment-page-3/#comment-80872 |
Just one note:
He’s posted pictures of pre-pubescent girls as an example of women flaunting their sexuality.FWIW, NWO didn't specifically post pics of pre-pubescent girls; he linked to a google image search of "girls on the beach" and the search results included girls as well as women. Of course he does seem to think that young girls wearing bathing suits are flaunting their sexuality, and that this is somehow the fault of feminism. |
2011-11-12T15:01:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/10/is-reddit-a-magnet-for-pedophiles/comment-page-3/#comment-80871 |
I un-moderated some Mellerposts above. I'm taking him off moderation; he's been behaving. | 2011-11-11T15:19:12-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/11/you-lying-bitches-wouldnt-know-misogyny-if-it-bit-you-on-your-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-80546 |
ersatzmoons, welcome! Weirdly but conveniently, you don't need to do anything to embed youtube videos on wordpresss, all you need is the raw url. (I actually removed the tags from your comment so it would work.) Dawgie! Pets put up with such ridiculousness from us humans. |
2011-11-10T19:37:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/10/is-reddit-a-magnet-for-pedophiles/comment-page-1/#comment-80307 |
Somehow I missed the r/mensrights discussion of this case. I added some quotes and links to the OP. More creepiness, if you can stand it! | 2011-11-10T18:57:07-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/10/is-reddit-a-magnet-for-pedophiles/comment-page-1/#comment-80293 |
Charles, I suppose my shorter answer to the "bits" argument is that when someone fires a bullet it's just molecules moving in space/time. But we can still distinguish between molecules shot at someone's head and molecules shot at a paper target. | 2011-11-10T18:32:22-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/10/is-reddit-a-magnet-for-pedophiles/comment-page-1/#comment-80273 |
vacuum, I understand. I think my next post may be a kitty video. | 2011-11-10T17:56:44-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/10/is-reddit-a-magnet-for-pedophiles/comment-page-1/#comment-80242 |
You know, like Dracula I am Ash-nostic. I neither believe or disbelieve in the existence of Ashley. But the NAME. Come on! That's not believable. I think we should start referring to her by an ever-changing assortment of unlikely names: Hildegard. Guadalupe. Esmerelda. Batsheva. Rivka.Lata. Lynndie. Cheyenne. Lurlene. Indira. Arundhati. Matilda. Zelda. Or stripper names: Bambi. Krystal. Chardonnay. Jasmynn. Roxxy-Lynn. Lexxus. |
2011-11-10T00:49:49-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/08/please-killl-yourselves-mras-respond-to-mencallmethings/comment-page-8/#comment-80040 |
They're not angry that men die on the job. They just want more women to die on the job. See here: http://i.imgur.com/1uRVV.png |
2011-11-09T17:52:56-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/09/school-buses-a-symbol-of-women-dominating-men-and-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-79780 |
More insidious Swedish gynofascist propaganda: http://www.cheese-magnet.com/2010/10/dagmars-hot-pants-inc-1971/ |
2011-11-09T16:24:48-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/07/twitter-hashtag-of-the-day-mencallmethings-a-catalogue-of-horrendous-misogynist-shit-sent-to-women-online/comment-page-4/#comment-79751 |
It occurs to me that instead of "lady-tatorship" I should have used "vagtatorship," which seems like it would be a better gynofascist version of "dictatorship." | 2011-11-09T16:11:47-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/09/school-buses-a-symbol-of-women-dominating-men-and-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-79738 |
Now the MRAs have discovered #mencallmethings. Apparently complaining about horrible misogynist things guys have said to you is evil man-hating feminist hate speech, or something. Stay tuned for the inevitable manosphere blog posts on the subject. |
2011-11-08T00:39:00-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/07/twitter-hashtag-of-the-day-mencallmethings-a-catalogue-of-horrendous-misogynist-shit-sent-to-women-online/comment-page-3/#comment-79227 |
Laura, what Molly said. I always assumed that his comments were trolling and/or satirical. His comments today, not up to previous standards. | 2011-11-07T19:37:11-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/07/twitter-hashtag-of-the-day-mencallmethings-a-catalogue-of-horrendous-misogynist-shit-sent-to-women-online/comment-page-2/#comment-79159 |
Joanna and Katz, let's not go there, even in a satirical way. | 2011-11-07T19:24:34-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/07/twitter-hashtag-of-the-day-mencallmethings-a-catalogue-of-horrendous-misogynist-shit-sent-to-women-online/comment-page-2/#comment-79153 |
NWOslave is a milking machine tech Brandon does IT MRAL is a student who works as a lifeguard... and they all live together in an apartment in Santa Monica. The sitcom pitches just write themselves here! |
2011-11-04T12:14:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/04/johnny-appleseed-a-man-going-his-own-way/comment-page-1/#comment-78294 |
On several occasions dudes on one of the MGTOW forums have talked semi-semi-seriously about getting together and buying some land and starting their own little MGTOW commune-thing. I think they should do it, but on a little island, and only if it's part of a VH1 reality show: All Women Are Whores Island |
2011-11-04T11:51:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/04/johnny-appleseed-a-man-going-his-own-way/comment-page-1/#comment-78284 |
Oh my lord, Maggie was right about something. | 2011-11-04T11:16:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/03/some-mras-are-rallying-around-herman-cain-because-he%e2%80%99s-not-%e2%80%9cbowing-before-the-golden-hoochie-%e2%80%9d/comment-page-3/#comment-78248 |
NC4OM used to post as Societal Contract, and before that as HINDU. And is or at least claims to be a she. | 2011-11-04T03:28:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/03/image-of-whore-mary-spotted-in-tree-by-local-mra/comment-page-2/#comment-78165 |
Also, he posted that comment above as TsigneH, so props for that. | 2011-11-03T17:24:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/01/reddits-twoxchromosomes-subreddit-overrun-with-angry-dudes/comment-page-6/#comment-77909 |
And now Hengist/MD520N has outed himself in a couple of comments (that are sitting in the moderation queue) as Ion/Johnny_B. Something I suspected but that I didn't have any proof of, so thanks, dude! |
2011-11-03T17:23:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/01/reddits-twoxchromosomes-subreddit-overrun-with-angry-dudes/comment-page-6/#comment-77908 |
Holly, yeah, that whole discussion is pretty special. I think I wrote about it at the time; I can't remember. | 2011-11-03T16:36:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/03/image-of-whore-mary-spotted-in-tree-by-local-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-77886 |
no more mr nice guy, thanks for that link. There may be a post in that. | 2011-11-03T16:27:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/02/the-false-rape-society-fighting-false-accusations-with-rape-jokes-and-misinformation/comment-page-4/#comment-77883 |
I literally have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.Yeah, yeah you do. Sometimes people don't cover their tracks as completely as they think they have. Anyhoo, you're not banned; I'll just be keeping you on moderation for awhile. |
2011-11-03T06:15:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/01/reddits-twoxchromosomes-subreddit-overrun-with-angry-dudes/comment-page-6/#comment-77807 |
Holly, your post is spot-on. Pierce Harlan's "ordinary guy" remark is a perfect example of "Slavering Beast" theory in action. I added a link and some quotes from you in my post. And I agree that racism is a part of it -- not usually overt, but there in the unspoken assumption that some not-diabolical-looking-white-guy can't be a slavering beast. |
2011-11-02T20:02:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/02/the-false-rape-society-fighting-false-accusations-with-rape-jokes-and-misinformation/comment-page-1/#comment-77654 |
Or at least on moderation. I can't remember if I actually banned him before, or ws just moderating his comments. I actually had a dream last night in which I was tracking down a troll by checking IP addresses. I was also, in the same dream, flying around with my own personal little rocket. That was much more fun. |
2011-11-02T19:24:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/01/reddits-twoxchromosomes-subreddit-overrun-with-angry-dudes/comment-page-6/#comment-77630 |
Dudes and dudettes, sorry it's taken so long to get back to this thread, but here's today's Big Troll Reveal: MD520N is indeed ... Hengist. Props to Nobinayamu, who called it early and definitively. Your troil detection skills are mighty! And MD520N/Hengist is going on the ban list. |
2011-11-02T19:22:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/01/reddits-twoxchromosomes-subreddit-overrun-with-angry-dudes/comment-page-6/#comment-77628 |
NWO, you do realize that colleges don't actually have the right to send people to prison, right? Any criminal case involving rape is going to be tried in, you know, real courts that go by the whole "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. The preponderance of evidence standard is being used in disciplinary hearings. And it also doesn't get rid of the presumption of innocence. It's simply a different standard of proof, the one generally used in civil cases. |
2011-11-01T22:34:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/01/reddits-twoxchromosomes-subreddit-overrun-with-angry-dudes/comment-page-2/#comment-77226 |
It was beautiful, and I love to hear people sing in a language I don’t understand.When I read this I first assumed it was a response to NWO's comment just above it. |
2011-11-01T21:21:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/11/01/reddits-twoxchromosomes-subreddit-overrun-with-angry-dudes/comment-page-1/#comment-77152 |
That video a while back of a woman beating up a guy for like ten minutes in NYC that was an article on manboobz.Does anyone know what on earth Slavey is referencing here? |
2011-10-31T22:33:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/31/la-times-op-ed-the-faux-hos-of-halloween-and-their-slutwalker-counterparts-should-be-careful-about-where-they-flash-their-treasure/comment-page-2/#comment-76821 |
There are two broad vampire traditions: the (predominant) sexy vampire one, in which vampires are dangerous but appealing and bloodsucking is a pretty clear analogue of sex; and the vampire-as-scary-monster tradition (as in Nosferatu or 30 Days of Night). Sometimes, as in Buffy, you get the two together. Watched the old Hammer horror flick The Horror of Dracula last night. There's a scene where one of Dracula's female victims carefully opens her window and removes her cross before getting into bed to eagerly await sexy Dracula's arrival. |
2011-10-31T17:57:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/30/off-topic-mostly-jealousy-in-drag/comment-page-1/#comment-76713 |
Magpie, glad you're not dead! Where I live kids seem to have mostly given up going to residences; they just seem to go to the local businesses. And they definitely don't go to apartment buildings at all. Which is handy, because otherwise I'd have to turn off the lights and hide. I have no candy. |
2011-10-31T04:43:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/30/off-topic-mostly-jealousy-in-drag/comment-page-1/#comment-76611 |
ithiliana, I'm sorry; I should have deleted that comment from Meller. (Actually, I just came back here to delete it, but at this point I suppose it's too late.) I'm putting Meller on moderation, and won't let through any comments like that in the future. |
2011-10-30T17:21:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/20/nomarriages-com-part-two-american-women-have-personalities-similar-to-the-horrible-odor-they-emit/comment-page-7/#comment-76481 |
>Could it be that “one of your graduate students” was just as obnoxious as the feminists on manboobz. and her husband didn’t have the patience and forebearance that a lot of men have? Meller, fuck you. I know you're a misogynistic racist piece of shit, but do you not have any decency at all? One fucking molecule of decency? |
2011-10-30T16:39:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/20/nomarriages-com-part-two-american-women-have-personalities-similar-to-the-horrible-odor-they-emit/comment-page-7/#comment-76464 |
Maggie thinks that feminists spend all their time thinking of new excuses for women to kill men and/or cut off their dicks. No matter what we say to her, she will interpret it as justification for women to indiscriminately kill dudes. Also, I still have no idea what she meant when she mentioned my brother last night. The only interpretation I can think of is that she must assume my brother and I hate each other because ... I hate all men, or something? (Actually, my brother -- who, like me, does not hate men -- comments from time to time here. He also thinks MRAs are idiots. As do most people -- if they've even heard of them.) I have no idea. Maggie is not living in the same reality as the rest of us. |
2011-10-30T03:44:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/29/mens-rights-redditors-guys-who-kill-their-exes-who-can-blame-them/comment-page-2/#comment-76297 |
EWME, the trick is to use "um" just once, otherwise you sound like an idiot. Also, these gals managed to get married and yet also have tattoos, and I can say with a fair degree of certainty that whoever they are marrying is a far finer specimen of humanity than anyone on The Spearhead: http://www.tattooedbride.com/2011/01/allebach-photography-offers-discount.html http://weheartit.com/entry/6472636 http://kellyedge.tumblr.com/post/11465102204/first-day-of-the-rest-of-our-lives-on-year-ago |
2011-10-28T23:02:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/28/are-tattooed-women-an-affront-to-good-men/comment-page-2/#comment-75942 |
some of us are fat hairy-legged manly feminists.I am too! |
2011-10-28T20:41:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/28/are-tattooed-women-an-affront-to-good-men/comment-page-1/#comment-75850 |
GL Piggy: Do you read before posting? Hint: do a search for the phrase "race-baiting" on this page. Where does it first appear? | 2011-10-28T03:35:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/27/jezebel-channels-the-spearhead-with-an-odious-piece-on-amber-cole/comment-page-2/#comment-75538 |
Hey Maggie, I just realized that you're a strange, sad, passive-aggressive fuck. Not to mention incoherent. What are you even on about? | 2011-10-28T03:23:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/27/jezebel-channels-the-spearhead-with-an-odious-piece-on-amber-cole/comment-page-2/#comment-75536 |
Women love it when you pick the bugs out of their fur and eat them. And by "women" I mean "lady gorillas." Same thing, amirite fellas? |
2011-10-27T15:55:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/25/remember-that-pussy-is-a-biochemical-wmd-wherever-it-is-used-there-is-mass-chaos-and-destruction/comment-page-6/#comment-75395 |
Nobinayamu, only Simon knows for sure. He's not posting from the same IP. BUT: looking up both IPs it appears they're both in Germany, posting from IP addresses in two cities not that far apart from one another. Hmm. |
2011-10-27T14:28:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/26/return-to-lesbos-are-lesbians-the-only-good-women/comment-page-4/#comment-75332 |
This comment from a new commenter I just approved got buried on the last page, so here it is again. Enjoy.
Heroicman | October 26, 2011 at 11:13 am I think all the women reading this blog should ask themselves a question: why is it that hundreds of millions of men, today, will choose to masturbate while looking at mere images of women, rather than try to be in a relationship with women. Could it possibly be because a lot of women use sex as a way to manipulate and control men. Hence all men who approach women they find attractive, have to take the risk to ask a girl out and, it is unnerving especially for shy men. These days men are opting out of sex, and Men Going Their OWN Way epitomizes This based on the above article.This is a good piece on it http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/10/10/on-the-road-again-free-range-men/ So it all comes down to: why don’t women ask men out? After all, isn’t one of the principles of feminism to transcend gender roles? MRA’s complain that while feminists call for eliminating traditional gender roles, they still want to retain the role of men having to take the risk of asking the woman out? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/02/28/why-are-men-angry-manning-up-author-kay-hymowitz-explains.html?cid=hp:mainpromo6 Why do women spend most of their lives obsessing about their weight, their hair, their butt, their breasts, their clothes, anything but actually finding out exactly what it feels like to go up to somebody who you really like (looks wise) but have no idea if they like you or not, and then get told to ‘Get Lost’ or whatever. In other words – 99% of women don’t have a clue what it feels like to be a man, and more importantly, THEY DON’T WANT TO, and they don’t care. They would rather date the most abusive Alpha male scumbag on the planet (and many do) than be rejected by a man. So will the next article be about why women are too terrified to approach men? How about making a TV programme about it – that would be hilarious. Even the most attractive women on Earth don’t ask men out more than unattractive women, despite the constant feedback they get from men, all the time, every day. So what does that tell us? That men are expected to approach women, with zero signs of interest from any of them, and then lambasted when they do it, so they don’t do it very often, yet women, who can approach men without any fear of being accused of being a ‘creep’ or ‘rapist’, virtually never do. Hence, men look at pornography and masturbate rather than being with a woman. Yes and as was mentioned here a person can achieve pleasure solo.Whether you agree with this or not, this is the anger and mindset of quite a few MRA’s who have “gone their own way”. To answer Cassandra’s inquiry she asked” That is kind of a key difference – the Women Going Their Own Way didn’t just talk about it, they actually went. Why can’t these guys do the same?” They guys have left. Their not posting on the internet or on blogs such as this.Their silent and “ghosting”. Their not here. What you witness on blogs such as Happy Bachelors is a small percentage of men who choose to blog for whatever reason. The guys have left the battlefield in the so called battle of the sexes. Years past this was impossible, with the proliferation of online porn it has changed things for men indeed Feminism wins. You got what what you want. It is the end of men indeed. |
2011-10-26T15:15:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/25/remember-that-pussy-is-a-biochemical-wmd-wherever-it-is-used-there-is-mass-chaos-and-destruction/comment-page-5/#comment-75156 |
And, yes, Yoren is indeed MRAL. I gotta remember to check IPs before letting new commenters post. In my defense, his first comment was pretty innocuous and not-obviously MRALish. |
2011-10-26T14:44:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/26/return-to-lesbos-are-lesbians-the-only-good-women/comment-page-2/#comment-75136 |
>Eat a fish eat a fetus. NWO, you are in the wrong line of work. Get into advertising! I hate fish, but I'd think about buying them if the the League of Fish Promotion, or whatever their trade organization is named, adopted this as a slogan. |
2011-10-26T03:01:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/25/remember-that-pussy-is-a-biochemical-wmd-wherever-it-is-used-there-is-mass-chaos-and-destruction/comment-page-4/#comment-74873 |
Simon said:
I hope that you at least acknowledge that I don’t say things like “I’m proud to feel disgusted by homosexuals and bisexuals” like nwoslave or even worse things like David K. Meller.I would just like to point out that aspiring to be "not as bad as David K. Meller" is setting the bar really really low. Aim higher! |
2011-10-24T19:17:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/24/the-most-appalling-rage-comic-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-74432 |
I've seen a lot of references to the mental institution interpretation, but nothing definitive. I'm assuming it's about a guy who's been dumped who's holing up in his room (and telling his ex that he's fine). It could also just be about someone overwhelmed by depression. Here's a discussion on a country music blog: http://www.countryuniverse.net/2008/08/12/classic-country-singles-the-statler-brothers-flowers-on-the-wall-4/ If it's about a guy who's been dumped, there's another classic country song that's very similar (if a bit more obvious): "She thinks I still care," made famous by George Jones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owWNCNyEuYI And then there's 10cc's "I'm not n love." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2BavhwpIJg&feature=related |
2011-10-22T22:08:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/22/off-topicopen-thread-playing-solitaire-til-dawn-with-a-deck-of-fifty-one/comment-page-1/#comment-73729 |
1000 comments by morning? | 2011-10-22T21:28:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/21/men-going-their-own-way-baffled-by-lesbians-refuse-to-believe-they-exist/comment-page-6/#comment-73704 |
Oy. Just caught up on the comments here. MRAL is now on permanent moderation for his comments in this thread; I've deleted most of them as well. Meanwhile, I approved a bunch of comments from nugganu, who is also on permanent moderation, but who is at least more entertaining in his obnoxiousness. Feel free to scroll up and read them. Or not. |
2011-10-21T17:36:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/21/men-going-their-own-way-baffled-by-lesbians-refuse-to-believe-they-exist/comment-page-3/#comment-73361 |
trichquestions, it's a generic sign for a women's bathroom, a reference to ZTM's comments on women and bathrooms. | 2011-10-21T06:11:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/20/nomarriages-com-part-two-american-women-have-personalities-similar-to-the-horrible-odor-they-emit/comment-page-5/#comment-73111 |
One more:
Submitted on 2011/10/19 at 3:00 pm @gdjd your points do make some sense but these things that are protect women are a reaction to an everyday culture that DOESNT value women as people. Things are getting better but there’s a long way to go. I mean you’re talking all about things that involve crime, and perhaps men are more likely to be victims of crime in general but by OTHER MEN not by women! that’s a very key point if the discussion is about gender bias in the culture or why things like a women’s only late night shuttle might be useful. A mens only one in most cases in general society would just be pointless cause the women still aren’t the ones committing these violent crimes. |
2011-10-19T16:18:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/18/mra-women-couldnt-vote-that-was-oppression/comment-page-4/#comment-72241 |
More from Lyssa:
Submitted on 2011/10/19 at 8:46 am Eneya – agreed. It reminds me of when body image/eating disorders and “date” rape are lamented as “white girl problems”. A) so “white girl” problems don’t count? cause we see people get awfully upset over “white boy” problems ALL THE FUCKING TIME! B) It’s not even true in either case and yeah thats really helpful for men and people of from other races who may have these issues. way to encourage them to go get the help they need. but yes, agreed. just because i don’t live in a comparatively extremely oppressive country and am allowed to drive and wear what I want but that doesn’t mean i’m gonna shut my mouth when I see things that are very harmful to women everywhere i turn. Submitted on 2011/10/19 at 10:42 am also, i do care very much about all abused people. I do however also gravitate more toward helping women because I think I’ll be more effective helping abused women than I would be helping men because I understand what it is like to be a woman in this world more than I do to be a man. does that mean i hate men and don’t care if they’re abused to you? because i focus more on what i understand better? I do however support all safety for the abused. There’s a center near me that specifically helps transgendered people that have suffered sexual abuse and i think that is an absolutely fantastic thing to have but I wouldn’t be too great helping out there cause I have no idea what it might be like for them. I guess you can accuse feminist of blocking things that help abused men (some evidence of this would sure be nice though) but i know for sure that I personally haven’t done that and many consider me a feminist and I can say the same for every other person who may be considered a feminist that I’ve ever met. |
2011-10-19T16:17:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/18/mra-women-couldnt-vote-that-was-oppression/comment-page-4/#comment-72240 |
Just freed a bunch of comments from moderation, including a bunch of thoughtful ones from LyssatakeaBow.. Scroll up to see the latest comments from her.
Since a bunch of them are old enough to be on the previous page of comments, I'm pasting those in here:
Submitted on 2011/10/19 at 10:18 am Re: toysoldiers. do you have any evidence of men lobbying for shelters and feminist blocking this? I see your link below and I’m not invalidating it, but how about anything in the US just cause I’m more familiar with our system? The link posted below just seems like a parliament discussion to me. Feminists really don’t have that much political power (yeah yeah go ahead and argue that if you want, that’s how i see it. there is no “feminist party” or anything though so i find it weird when feminists get accused of these things.). Seriously though if you’ve ever spent ANY time around feminists they’re the ones that get upset over men being abused and non-feminists are the ones making jokes. I know this has all been said on here before it’s just mind-boggling how you guys make feminists the enemy. “with friends like these who needs enemies?” yuck yuck except feminists get upset over MRA stuff because they actively bash feminism sooo much and that is much different than bashing patriarchy because patriarchy isn’t something men thought about and fought for |
2011-10-19T16:13:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/18/mra-women-couldnt-vote-that-was-oppression/comment-page-4/#comment-72238 |
rev: I think you're conflating laws about recording conversations and laws about videotaping sex without someone's consent. The latter, as I understand it, is illegal in all states: http://www.sexlaws.org/answer_board_question-secretly_videotaping_sex |
2011-10-19T03:10:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/17/a-pua-living-the-dream-and-by-living-the-dream-i-mean-being-a-dick/comment-page-10/#comment-72040 |
Well, Simon, guess what? The imposter is now also posting under my real name too. And the r/mr mods have done nothing about that either. | 2011-10-18T17:12:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/16/some-douchebag-is-impersonating-me-on-reddit-rmr-mods-wont-ban-him/comment-page-4/#comment-71701 |
Katz ... hmmm. You've just given me an idea for the next Manboobz super fun video. | 2011-10-18T05:14:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/17/a-pua-living-the-dream-and-by-living-the-dream-i-mean-being-a-dick/comment-page-6/#comment-71503 |
Some comments got stuck in moderation from Jennifer Frances Armstrong and Improbable Joe; they're all on this page, if you want to scroll up and check them out. Brandon, so you want to prove you're Mr. Consensual by videotaping someone having sex without their consent? And DKM, wow, that is some incredible doublethink you've got going on there, Mr.Women Have it Coming But I don't Advocate Violence. |
2011-10-17T22:08:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/17/a-pua-living-the-dream-and-by-living-the-dream-i-mean-being-a-dick/comment-page-3/#comment-71284 |
Felix, Nietzsche was well known for changing the comments on his blog (Fred's UberThoughts); it's what ubermenschen do. | 2011-10-17T18:50:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/17/a-pua-living-the-dream-and-by-living-the-dream-i-mean-being-a-dick/comment-page-2/#comment-71172 |
This is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but it was too long to tweet: Earlier tonight, while walking to the store, I noticed a couple walking down the street towards me. The man was really tall, the woman was really short. As I was pondering this, they walked past me, and the guy said "so how tall are you." She replied "five foot one." I was all like, woah, is this the real world or just a projection of my thoughts?!! |
2011-10-17T00:04:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/16/some-douchebag-is-impersonating-me-on-reddit-rmr-mods-wont-ban-him/comment-page-2/#comment-70875 |
Also, there are any number of Redditors who might have done this. I doubt it's one of the regular trolls here. | 2011-10-16T21:56:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/16/some-douchebag-is-impersonating-me-on-reddit-rmr-mods-wont-ban-him/comment-page-1/#comment-70784 |
Oh, FWIW, the IP in that Hugo Schwyzer post is not an IP address that MRAL has ever used, though if you look it up you will see that it does originate from BU. But I'm assuming that MRAL is telling the truth and that he didn't send the anti-Semitic email. |
2011-10-16T21:55:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/16/some-douchebag-is-impersonating-me-on-reddit-rmr-mods-wont-ban-him/comment-page-1/#comment-70780 |
Brandon, if someone showed up on this blog impersonating one of the regular MRA commenters, I would ban them immediately. People are responsible for what they say, not for what other people pretending to be them say. Me quoting what someone ACTUALLY SAID (as I do in my articles here) is not even remotely the same as SOMEONE PRETENDING TO BE SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE THEM LOOK BAD. |
2011-10-16T21:51:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/16/some-douchebag-is-impersonating-me-on-reddit-rmr-mods-wont-ban-him/comment-page-1/#comment-70777 |
Hey, I fixed the italics! Celebrate small victories. |
2011-10-15T19:17:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/14/mens-rights-redditor-on-seal-beach-shooter-he-is-one-of-us/comment-page-4/#comment-70541 |
Thanks, everyone, for the links. My impersonator on Reddit, not really very clever or convincing. Man, I am way behind on The Spearhead. There are a whole host of recent posts I havent' even looked at, and from the topics I am guessing they are gold mines of ridiculousness. |
2011-10-15T18:56:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/15/off-topic-more-proof-that-kitties-are-up-to-something/comment-page-1/#comment-70536 |
Matthew, alas, I can't set it up to preview comments. If I could I would. | 2011-10-15T02:34:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/13/the-spearhead-on-occupy-wall-street-its-just-a-bunch-of-man-hating-single-moms/comment-page-4/#comment-70437 |
I just posted a piece on the Seal Beach shooting, focusing mostly on the appalling shit on In Mala Fide, and on some not quite so appalling but still appalling stuff on Reddit. | 2011-10-14T10:10:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/13/the-spearhead-on-occupy-wall-street-its-just-a-bunch-of-man-hating-single-moms/comment-page-3/#comment-70135 |
Casssandra's got it! It's MRAL, Mellering it up. The thing he's got in common with Captain Bathrobe is of course military rank. |
2011-10-13T21:05:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/comment-page-4/#comment-70029 |
In case anyone missed it, DKM's post with his "sources" got moderated, but it's up now. It's a veritable smorgasbord of right-wing racist moonbattery. | 2011-10-13T20:44:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/13/the-spearhead-on-occupy-wall-street-its-just-a-bunch-of-man-hating-single-moms/comment-page-2/#comment-70014 |
No one's got it yet! Perhaps because he's doing an excellent job of throwing you all off the trail. | 2011-10-13T20:40:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/comment-page-4/#comment-70011 |
(But that's not the thing he has in common with Captain Bathrobe.) | 2011-10-13T18:56:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/comment-page-4/#comment-69986 |
Not Pecinium or Eoghan. But he is a he. | 2011-10-13T18:56:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/comment-page-4/#comment-69985 |
Dad 2 Boys is not Ami or Captain Bathrobe. Dad 2 does have one thing in common with Captain Bathrobe though. | 2011-10-13T18:15:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/comment-page-4/#comment-69967 |
Yikes, not sure how I missed that evilwhitemaleempire comment. I think that's gotta go in the post too. Also, there were a bunch of comments held in moderation, some from new commenters, some from Mr. DK Meller, and they're all up now. Meller, I don't know why your comments are going in moderation. I didn't put them there. |
2011-10-13T17:25:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/13/the-spearhead-on-occupy-wall-street-its-just-a-bunch-of-man-hating-single-moms/comment-page-1/#comment-69949 |
Not AntZ. And, well, I'm not going to say whether or not Dad is a Poe. When you figure out who it is, you'll know. |
2011-10-13T06:02:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/comment-page-2/#comment-69748 |
Cassandra -- Aww. My kitty is a rescue too. You should keep the cats separated for a while -- some people say you should keep them physically apart for a week while the old cat deals with a new cat in its territory. (I'm not sure anyone actually does manage to last a week.) Also, do your best to spend time and give attention to the cat that's already there; it's going to need some reassurances. In completely other news: Our new friend Dad 2 boyz is actually an old friend. Can any of you guess who? |
2011-10-13T04:48:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/comment-page-2/#comment-69741 |
Hmm. I suppose I should have been more clear in the OP that dealing with asshole customers really does suck, and that this does, as Jack says, have a psychological and physical toll on people working jobs that require interacting with assholes on a regular basis. It's just, as Rutee noted, that he seems to think this only matters to "alpha males," and that others in the same situation should just accept it as their lot in life. My feeling is that pretty much every job involves a certain degree of unpleasant shit, whether that's biting your tongue, or doing tedious shit you don't want to do. Some jobs involve that a lot more than other jobs. No one can expect to be spared from this simply because they're dudes who think they're alphas. As for the punching thing, I sort of extrapolated that from his comments about "fight or flight." I mean, if you're not choosing "flight" and acting submissive, the alternative is "fight" Maybe I'm being too literal. It's possible he only wants to be able to rage at the customers and scare the shit out of them and make them flee the store. |
2011-10-12T18:22:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/comment-page-1/#comment-69623 |
Just catching up here. A bunch of comments from first-time commenters were in moderation; they're up now. Also a bunch of comments from delta/nugganu, which were in moderation because he's a raging asshole. I let some of his slightly-less-terrible comments through. | 2011-10-12T17:12:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/comment-page-1/#comment-69615 |
stoner, sierra mist also uses cane sugar. But hey, what's wrong with drinking juice? Nice and sugary, but it has some actual nutritional value too. |
2011-10-11T16:06:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/11/dr-pepper-ten-a-diet-soda-going-its-own-way/comment-page-1/#comment-69280 |
So I guess DKM has chosen "dumb MRA reaction to this ad #1" then. Holly, supporting your theory: when I played the "shoot girly stuff" game on Facebook, I did so poorly it told me I shot like a lady. In case anyone was wondering, the girly stuff to be shot consisted of rainbows, unicorns, flowers and lipstick. |
2011-10-11T16:01:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/11/dr-pepper-ten-a-diet-soda-going-its-own-way/comment-page-1/#comment-69278 |
Molly, no, you've got to follow the formula: leave off the first syllable: 'nis stiffies, perhaps? | 2011-10-10T21:23:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/10/mod-of-reddits-jailbait-subreddit-shocked-shocked-that-dozens-of-commenters-there-were-begging-for-nude-pics-of-a-14-year-old/comment-page-3/#comment-68876 |
Perhaps against my better judgement, I'm taking MRAL off moderation. | 2011-10-10T21:05:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/10/mod-of-reddits-jailbait-subreddit-shocked-shocked-that-dozens-of-commenters-there-were-begging-for-nude-pics-of-a-14-year-old/comment-page-3/#comment-68841 |
Bagelism, Maggie's a gal. | 2011-10-10T21:00:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/10/mod-of-reddits-jailbait-subreddit-shocked-shocked-that-dozens-of-commenters-there-were-begging-for-nude-pics-of-a-14-year-old/comment-page-3/#comment-68833 |
Maggie, WTF are you talking about? What part of "I saw this on ShitRedditSays and on the Reddit front page, hence the links to dicsussions of this on ShitRedditSays and r/WTF in my post, as well as to screenshots obtained from those discussions" do you not understand? You're really just a horrible person, aren't you? |
2011-10-10T20:39:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/10/mod-of-reddits-jailbait-subreddit-shocked-shocked-that-dozens-of-commenters-there-were-begging-for-nude-pics-of-a-14-year-old/comment-page-3/#comment-68789 |
MRAL, I don't know about everyone here, but the only dudes I'm suggesting should be arrested or at least investigated here are those who are distributing or requesting nude pictures of a 14-year-old girl that (aside from being child porn) are also being posted without her consent. If women were distributing or requesting nude pics of a 14-year-old boy, I'd suggest that they should be arrested or investigated too. | 2011-10-10T20:30:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/10/mod-of-reddits-jailbait-subreddit-shocked-shocked-that-dozens-of-commenters-there-were-begging-for-nude-pics-of-a-14-year-old/comment-page-2/#comment-68775 |
Please do not refer to Mr.DK Meller by his first name! Others through no fault of our own have the same first name, and it is very disconcerting. |
2011-10-10T19:20:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/07/hit-her-back-she-gets-to-vote-more-wisdom-from-reddit/comment-page-8/#comment-68717 |
Damn. I knew the cats were up to something, but, yow, that's creepy. Five minutes earlier I bet that cat was recording a podcast. |
2011-10-10T19:04:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-17/#comment-68707 |
Just catching up here. Maggie, you really are a piece of ... work, aren't you? I don't read r/jailbait; I found out about this shit in ShitRedditSays. As I'm sure you know, but you couldn't resist a bit of typically dishonest Maggie-style passive aggressive fuckery? Seems like the only person here who fell for it was Hengist. A few other things: A comment with some links from rutee got held in moderation;here it is if you want to go back and see it. Some comments from Delta, who does not seem to be a sockpuppet of anyone we know, got held too. It was more of the same sort of crap. A couple of comments from MRAL got held too, going on about Twilight and female pedos. "free the paedos" is a sockpuppet of Buttman. | 2011-10-10T18:50:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/10/mod-of-reddits-jailbait-subreddit-shocked-shocked-that-dozens-of-commenters-there-were-begging-for-nude-pics-of-a-14-year-old/comment-page-2/#comment-68698 |
Loki, I fixed your comment; I'm guessing that's what you meant. | 2011-10-10T18:17:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/10/mod-of-reddits-jailbait-subreddit-shocked-shocked-that-dozens-of-commenters-there-were-begging-for-nude-pics-of-a-14-year-old/comment-page-2/#comment-68671 |
Bostonian, I understand the frustration, but let's not go there. | 2011-10-10T18:16:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/10/mod-of-reddits-jailbait-subreddit-shocked-shocked-that-dozens-of-commenters-there-were-begging-for-nude-pics-of-a-14-year-old/comment-page-2/#comment-68670 |
Why are we arguing about the post office again? | 2011-10-09T23:24:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/05/ladies-hes-going-galt-and-its-all-your-fault/comment-page-3/#comment-68353 |
Speaking of spinning wheels: NWO, do you spin some sort of wheel-of-fortune type wheel that tells you which off-topic rant to paste into the comments at any given moment? Because I'm pretty sure we weren't talking about Title IX. | 2011-10-09T19:43:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/08/spearheadonomics-how-the-ladies-caused-our-economic-malaise/comment-page-1/#comment-68293 |
Ithiliana and Dracula, so sorry about your kitties. That's tough. Hengist is going on moderation for Google creepiness, and I'm deleting his earlier creepy comment. |
2011-10-09T18:54:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/04/lady-killers-2-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-4/#comment-68278 |
FWIW, the incident the original poster on Reddit was talking about wasnt' one where the woman had hit the man. For some drunken reason she had decided to pull the buttons off his shirt. And then she'd walked off. So it was a situation where she'd behaved obnoxiously, but not one in which the OP hit her in self-defense. | 2011-10-07T18:57:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/07/hit-her-back-she-gets-to-vote-more-wisdom-from-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-67378 |
americanlink, welcome! Thanks for the correction, and sorry things got off to an, er, awkward start here. We're sort of used to weird prounouncements from MRAs; I think that's why people reacted as they did. nova, oy. What a sad situation. I used to live next to a guy who was really verbally abusive to his, well I never did figure out if she was his wife, or daughter, or caretaker. He was probably around 80 years old, and in a wheelchair, but the hatred in his voice made me finch. It was mostly in Italian, with a few curse words in English ("asshole" was a favorite); she would reply in a much quieter, placating voice. i didn't call the cops, because I didnt' know what they could do; he obviously wasn't a physical threat. But just hearing him, day in and day out, so sad. |
2011-10-07T18:37:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/06/many-feminists-love-rape-another-gem-from-reddit/comment-page-6/#comment-67363 |
Maggie: I think Koss' methodology was basically fine.What exactly is your critique of it? Aside from the whole "but some of the survey takers didn't think it was rape" issue, which I deal with above, there's one other thing that critics go on about: There was one question in her survey about alcohol use that critics argue could be confusing to the survey takers, and critics have jumped on this to claim that this discredits her results. In fact, further research using Koss' survey with that one question reworded to be crystal clear had very similar results to Koss' original study. In other words, the potentially misleading question does not in fact seem to have caused any misunderstandings in practice. See here for more: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2006/05/03/the-iwf-attack-on-rape-statistics/ Why don't you go read the links I gave you, which deal in detail with all the standard critiques of Koss, and if you have any questions after that, well, I dunno, take them up with Koss herself, or write about it on your blog, or something. |
2011-10-07T02:24:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/06/many-feminists-love-rape-another-gem-from-reddit/comment-page-5/#comment-67217 |
And nugganu goes on moderation. Two anal rape jokes in a row is really pushing it. | 2011-10-07T02:06:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/06/many-feminists-love-rape-another-gem-from-reddit/comment-page-5/#comment-67211 |
Maggie, I'd suggest you look at Alas, A blog's posts on the Koss controversy, which deal in some detail with Christina Hoff Sommers' half-baked critique. I also suggest you take a look at this post on Feminist Critics, which looks in detail at Koss' questionnaire. http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2008/02/29/has-anyone-here-besides-me-actually-read-koss-paper/ If something fits the legal definition of rape, yet the victim does not regard it as rape, it is still rape. I think at this point the main issue I would have with relying on Koss' study is simply that it's quite old. |
2011-10-07T02:00:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/06/many-feminists-love-rape-another-gem-from-reddit/comment-page-5/#comment-67208 |
Oops. Woman is supposed to be crossed out, but formatting doesn't work in captions for some reason. MRAL, oh, let's see, I'd say the constant references to women as "gashes" and "Her Holy Highness bitches" and so on; all the "fuck yous" -- that sort of thing. You really think I'm going to take you off moderation when most of your comments in recent days have been too tiresomely obnoxious to let through? |
2011-10-06T21:09:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/06/many-feminists-love-rape-another-gem-from-reddit/comment-page-4/#comment-67132 |
MRAL, you're on moderation because you keep spewing hateful shit. | 2011-10-06T17:38:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/06/many-feminists-love-rape-another-gem-from-reddit/comment-page-4/#comment-67094 |
Note to MRAL: if you want me to let your comments through, tone it down, way down. | 2011-10-05T22:37:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/05/ladies-hes-going-galt-and-its-all-your-fault/comment-page-2/#comment-66749 |
cynikal, running out of ammo and/or health packs is indeed the most frustrating thing about Bioshock. | 2011-10-05T18:14:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/05/ladies-hes-going-galt-and-its-all-your-fault/comment-page-2/#comment-66709 |
cynikal and Dracula, so sorry to hear about your kitties! | 2011-10-05T02:49:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/02/hamsters-and-kittens-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-66540 |
Cassandra, it's spelled "Rothchilds." Well, not really, but that's how NWO spells it. |
2011-10-03T23:55:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/03/feminists-dont-even-think-of-men-as-human-and-other-insights-from-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-66177 |
Uh, Maureen Dowd was not actually calling for the elimination of men. That was simply an title designed to attract attention. I imagine she meant it a reference to a book by James Thurber called "Is Sex Necessary?" (Note: Thurber was not saying that sex was unnecessary.) | 2011-10-03T16:55:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/03/feminists-dont-even-think-of-men-as-human-and-other-insights-from-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-66008 |
Confidential to Jurgen Fleiss/Rita Renzulli/Santo Christoforo MD/Robin Gold, Ph.D.: If you're going to show up here accusing me of using sockpuppets, you should probably not do that using one of your three sockpuppet accounts. Or you should at least do it from another IP address. Banned! |
2011-10-03T16:47:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/30/baby-denial-is-not-just-a-baby-river-in-egypt/comment-page-4/#comment-66000 |
Also, Crafty looks sweet. Kitties!! | 2011-10-02T20:40:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/02/hamsters-and-kittens-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-65632 |
I like that after finally getting out, the kitten decided to climb back in. Cats seem completely free of claustrophobia. What they have is more like claustrophilia. |
2011-10-02T20:39:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/02/hamsters-and-kittens-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-65630 |
Toysoldier, you're honestly accusing me of "intellectual dishonesty" for not taking completely seriously the argument of some random internet dude that women should be banned from combat because they have vaginas? | 2011-10-02T20:33:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/01/women-in-combat-who-put-sand-in-your-vaginas/comment-page-3/#comment-65627 |
Simon, when these guys stop posting amusingly hateful shit, I'll stop mocking them. | 2011-10-02T20:13:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/30/baby-denial-is-not-just-a-baby-river-in-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-65619 |
FWIW, when I said vague I was only referring to the language they used in speaking about what they were doing. They used a lot of euphemisms and deliberately vague language. | 2011-10-02T03:56:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/29/quotations-from-chairman-alcuin/comment-page-3/#comment-65462 |
Simon, the fact that the top Nazis were deliberately vague about the Holocaust doesn't mean Fuck, I'm not even going to bother. Hitler orchestrated the Holocaust. The "war on the Jews" was the driving force behind basically all he did. When things started to turn against him Germany in the war, he sacrificed strategic objectives in order to devote more resources to killing more Jews. He was the most evil motherfucker in a century filled with evil motherfuckers. |
2011-10-02T01:19:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/29/quotations-from-chairman-alcuin/comment-page-3/#comment-65442 |
How is it exactly that feminists are all (collectively and individually) responsible for everything said on daytime TV? I don't hold MRAs or men generally responsible for everything said by "shock jocks" on daytime radio. |
2011-10-01T18:41:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-11/#comment-65267 |
html fixed, Voip! | 2011-10-01T18:36:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-11/#comment-65266 |
Maybe men should be barred from combat because they can get kicked in the balls. | 2011-10-01T17:12:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/01/women-in-combat-who-put-sand-in-your-vaginas/comment-page-1/#comment-65248 |
OOps! I misread the article I originally cited about female crew members on a supply ship getting pregnant during the Gulf war. The percentage who got pregnant was 10%, not more than half. (In my defense, the article was badly worded.) I’ve removed the erroneous material. I wonder if a similar misreading of that article is the source for Demonspawn's 40% factoid. |
2011-10-01T17:11:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/10/01/women-in-combat-who-put-sand-in-your-vaginas/comment-page-1/#comment-65247 |
fixed it, katz! | 2011-10-01T16:55:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-11/#comment-65242 |
DSC, I really think there is no comparison between Hoover and Mao. Economists didn't understand how to fight depressions in Hoover's day and FDR made some of the same mistakes; it was WW2 that really got things moving again. Mao by contrast killed millions on purpose and millions more through radical and often simply nonsensical economic "reforms" that, among other things, had peasants melting down everything they owned that was made of metal. He exported food in the midst of the mass famine caused by his "reforms," and refused to change course after it became clear that his reforms were a disaster. There is no need to "pad" the numbers by including those who died of old age during his purges and during the famines directly caused by his policies. When people talk of deaths from the famines they're talking about "excess deahs," not those which would have occurred naturally. No one knows how many died, but if you make a guess based on the estimates of various scholars you arrive at a figure of roughly 40 million. http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Mao Despite the greater death tolls under Stalin and Mao, I still think Hitler was the most evil figure in 20th century history, because his central guiding principle was hatred of the Jews, but Stalin and Mao were plenty evil. |
2011-10-01T16:36:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/29/quotations-from-chairman-alcuin/comment-page-2/#comment-65240 |
User: Why are female murderers presumed to be mentally ill but male murderers presumed to be killers? Cleverbot: Because god does not exist. He is as much of a fake as Santa or the Easter bunny.Wait, is this Cleverbot or Redditbot. This is an exact replica of half of all conversations on Reddit. |
2011-09-30T13:05:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/28/women-wearing-makeup-nutshots-toilet-seats-in-the-down-position-and-other-signs-of-male-oppression/comment-page-2/#comment-64960 |
Rev: Toddlers in Tiaras is an appalling show (as is Dance Moms, which is similar). Feminists of all stripes are opposed to sexualizing children. | 2011-09-30T12:48:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-9/#comment-64953 |
trotornot, Mao killed tens of millions of people, so I don't really feel bad for insulting him. | 2011-09-30T01:50:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/29/quotations-from-chairman-alcuin/comment-page-2/#comment-64831 |
toysolider: Huh? Of course MRA sites mention sentencing disparities between men and women; I was pointing out that they pretty much never mention the similar disparities between RACES. | 2011-09-30T01:46:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-9/#comment-64827 |
I just un-moderated some comments in moderation, including several appalling ones from MRAL (and some non-appalling ones from other people). | 2011-09-30T01:27:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/29/creepy-reddit-comment-of-the-day-flower-girl-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-64818 |
To reiterate what DSC said: On average, women do get lighter sentences than men who've committed the same crimes. Part of this is because, on average, these men have longer criminal histories than the women in the same circumstances. But some of that does indeed seem to be the result of sexism -- generally, of old-fashioned male paternalism. (Women judges don't tend to give women lighter sentences.) But white people get a similar "sentencing discount" when compared to non-whites. I have never, ever seem MRAs mention this; I doubt most of them are aware of it, in part because they've never actually looked at any of the research on this subject, but instead are simply parroting the MR line on this issue. |
2011-09-29T16:41:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-8/#comment-64654 |
A couple of DKM comments got held in moderation; everyone is required to scroll up and read them. PEAS and FREE DRUMS! |
2011-09-29T00:46:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/26/mr-redditor-unmarried-women-will-have-babies-so-the-government-will-pick-up-their-tab-at-restaurants/comment-page-2/#comment-64477 |
Actually, that completely inexplicable reference to Holly as a slave trader was pretty good. | 2011-09-27T22:39:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/27/mra-celebrates-intellectual-child-abuse-as-the-mens-rights-guys-slap-around-the-idiot-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-64210 |
DKM is truly a gift that keeps on giving! NWO, I think you need to step it up a bit. Trollwise, DKM Is eating your lunch (which you had to pack for yourself at 4 AM before walking two miles underground to get to your job installing milking machines in a coal mine). |
2011-09-27T22:37:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/27/mra-celebrates-intellectual-child-abuse-as-the-mens-rights-guys-slap-around-the-idiot-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-64209 |
MRAL, this is pretty silly, but I went and checked the IPs and NWO has posted from various places in the US that are not where Amanda Marcotte lives. | 2011-09-27T16:47:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/27/mra-celebrates-intellectual-child-abuse-as-the-mens-rights-guys-slap-around-the-idiot-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-64112 |
Based on what I've read, I suspect that the rate of false rape accusations is higher than that of false accusations of other crimes -- the overall rate of false accusations is maybe 2%, and some good studies put the rate of false rape accusations at several times that. But MRAs tend to base their claims on one questionable study that suggests something like 40% false rape accusations. And whenever there's a story in the news about rape, they generally assume the accusers are lying, regardless of the details. Obviously the MRA reaction is based on something other than a rational reaction to a real issue. | 2011-09-26T19:01:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/26/links-false-rape-accusations-misogynist-mens-rightsers-and-internet-pervs/comment-page-1/#comment-63901 |
I really want the phrase "non-prostitute women" to catch on. I'm going to try to work it into as many conversations as possible. | 2011-09-26T17:47:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/26/legal-prostitution-will-hurt-women-and-thats-good-says-allegedly-pro-woman-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-63881 |
I'll just add my vote to the rest of those here who are for legalizing or decriminalizing prostitution -- basically whatever solution there is that's best for the sex workers. Since I don't believe PWAF's voodoo sex economics I don't think this would be a bad thing for "non-prostitute women." Or "non-prostitute men" for that matter. | 2011-09-26T16:50:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/26/legal-prostitution-will-hurt-women-and-thats-good-says-allegedly-pro-woman-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-63874 |
Also, if I wanted to, I could be first every single time. | 2011-09-26T01:02:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/26/links-false-rape-accusations-misogynist-mens-rightsers-and-internet-pervs/comment-page-1/#comment-63767 |
Well I've hit my limit with paniorpa. He's on moderation now. | 2011-09-25T16:26:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/24/troll-quote-of-the-day-dk-meller-on-why-dogs-arent-always-better-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-63691 |
And the cheerleaders provided pagentized rectal displayUm, where exactly did you go to school? |
2011-09-25T15:35:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-4/#comment-63672 |
revspinnaker, if you post from a different IP address, you're counted as a new commenter, so maybe that's what happened. | 2011-09-25T14:21:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-4/#comment-63645 |
Toysoldier:
Breivik does not identify as a men’s rights activist, and only feminists claim he shares their views, so there is no fallacy in pointing out that distinction.No, he doesn't identify himself as such, and I don't think anyone here has labeled him an MRA.. But many of his views are indeed shared by many MRAs, and some MRAs have explicitly endorsed his views: http://manboobz.com/2011/07/28/peter-nolan-anders-breivik/ http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/07/global-echo-of-violent-misogyny.html Other MRAs have offered justifications for violence: http://manboobz.com/2011/08/02/angry-harry-violence-is-justified-but-dont-blame-us-for-it/ |
2011-09-25T14:20:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-4/#comment-63644 |
revspinnaker, your comments were in moderation for several hours because: 1) All comments by first-time commenters here are held until I approve them. 2) I was asleep. I do not monitor my website 24/7. They are all up now. |
2011-09-25T13:03:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-4/#comment-63626 |
That's what the author of it says. | 2011-09-25T12:58:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/25/missing-post/comment-page-1/#comment-63621 |
Well, yeah, there's a degree of trolling going on here, but I don't think this guy is 100% troll. Obviously he's tryng to be outrageous, to some extent, but if you look at his comments on porn, you'll see that he really does have a creepily exhaustive knowledge of all sorts of porn, and that some of the fetishy porn he talks about does in fact match the sorts of things he posts about in his comments. Ah well, I found him entertainingly creepy. YMMV, I guess. |
2011-09-25T12:30:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/25/like-a-surgeon-the-battle-for-worlds-creepiest-redditor-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-63618 |
Toysoldier has written a blog post about this discussion; you can find it here: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/can-an-ideology-teach-hate/ I think it misrepresents this discussion, not to mention feminism, but I guess you'll probably want to see for yourself |
2011-09-25T04:05:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/22/feminism-or-death/comment-page-3/#comment-63569 |
MRAL,Paniorpa is posting from an IP address in France, and has a blog in French. I can say with utmost certainty that he is not Amanda Marcotte. | 2011-09-24T23:11:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/24/troll-quote-of-the-day-dk-meller-on-why-dogs-arent-always-better-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-63516 |
Chuck, the problem here isn't that you're using language that is too advanced for us (you're not); it's that your ideas are basically just idiotic. | 2011-09-22T03:27:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/21/cosmetics-an-evil-plot-to-fool-the-men-of-the-world-into-thinking-that-ladies-are-pretty/comment-page-2/#comment-62635 |
Sorry to interrupt, but I've been going through the r/mr response to the Jezebel piece, and I'm noticing that some of the guys posting there seem to have a strangely encyclopedic knowledge of just what is and what isn't legal with regard to young girls (specifically, sex with them and nude pictures of them): http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/kmibs/reddits_pedophilia_posse_and_the_return_of/c2lidn7 This guy in particular: http://www.reddit.com/user/LordVorbis |
2011-09-21T19:26:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/21/links-jezebel-on-reddits-jailbait-drama/comment-page-2/#comment-62508 |
Why not show up wearing a see-thru top, micro-skirt and pantyless the next time you visit dead old dad.Dude, where do you live if you see women dressed like this on a regular basis? Do you live in a porn video? |
2011-09-21T19:00:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/21/links-jezebel-on-reddits-jailbait-drama/comment-page-2/#comment-62483 |
Piggy, did you miss the part of the comment I quoted that said EVERYTHING women do is deceitful? This wasn't about balance; it was about bad-mouthing women for some really stupid reasons. Go look at the thread if you want to see the context. Why do you even feel the need to try to defend something this stupid? |
2011-09-21T16:43:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/21/cosmetics-an-evil-plot-to-fool-the-men-of-the-world-into-thinking-that-ladies-are-pretty/comment-page-1/#comment-62409 |
I just let a doozy of a comment from NWO through; see above. And a brief one from MRAL. MRAL: please post only from one account. I won't let the sockpuppets through. If you want to switch to a new account, let me know. |
2011-09-21T16:20:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/21/links-jezebel-on-reddits-jailbait-drama/comment-page-1/#comment-62402 |
NWO, you do remember that I put you on moderation not because I disagree with you but because you posted personal attacks that were much nastier than anything anyone here has ever directed at you? Anyway, I'm taking you off moderation. So comment away. Just refrain from the egregiously nasty personal attacks. |
2011-09-21T16:12:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/17/lady-killer-killer-lady/comment-page-6/#comment-62399 |
NWO, I do generally let your comments through, you know. | 2011-09-21T02:33:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/17/lady-killer-killer-lady/comment-page-6/#comment-62243 |
This should get you the kittens and the krautrock all preloaded: http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTiftKSfmTCo&start1=&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFpakAmF68JA&start2=&authorName=manboobz |
2011-09-20T20:09:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/20/off-topic-kittens-andor-krautrock/comment-page-1/#comment-62173 |
Confidential to MRAL: Your best bet for getting me to approve your comments is to post them from your original account, not with another obvious sockpuppet. | 2011-09-20T15:15:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/17/lady-killer-killer-lady/comment-page-5/#comment-62064 |
Just an FYI (haven't caught up with this discussion yet), American and Proud is almost certainly MRAL trying to get around the fact that his regular account is on moderation. So I've put American and Proud on moderation too. That said, despite this little subterfuge, he's more-or-less behaving, so I'm letting his comments through. You might want to scroll up to read a couple of them. Or not. It's the same old stuff -- women have it easy, feminism is shit, men are all scarred for life b/c they have to approach women, "creepy" is a horrible sexist slur. |
2011-09-20T13:50:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/17/lady-killer-killer-lady/comment-page-5/#comment-62046 |
AH! Catalogue is Eoghan! Eoghan is Catalogue! I won't say how I figured it out, but I did. There is absolutely no doubt. Oh, Eoghan, you sly devil! You had me fooled there for awhile. Congrats! He even managed to avoid the particular rhetorical tics that exposed him the last couple of times he tried this. No wonder he was so annoying to argue with. Never actually reading what we're saying or looking at links, repeating the same points over and over and over. I'm also pretty sure he's the guy who posts as sigi1 on Reddit -- I've got no proof of this, but they sound basically identical. |
2011-09-19T19:28:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/18/new-mens-rights-subreddit-moderator-thinks-violence-against-women-is-just-hilarious/comment-page-5/#comment-61786 |
Woah, Brandon is making sense! | 2011-09-19T18:26:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/19/christian-j-wins-the-gold-in-the-incoherence-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-61767 |
Catalogue, you're beginning to remind me of (shameless plug) Elvis in my little cartoon, except that instead of saying "memphis" over and over, you say "tropes."
Speaking of you, Catalogue, Capt. Bathrobe had a comment caught in moderation about your blog post accusing me of supporting rape. Given how completely wrong and dishonest your post was, I'm reposting Capt Bathrobe's comment here so that everyone can see it:
Captain Bathrobe | September 19, 2011 at 3:57 pm If he is pro rape, I denounce him for that, as I did David Futrelle for giving his approval to a slut walker threatening to rape an mra Here’s the post where Catalogue denounces Dave for his alleged support of rape:Also, Catalogue: I said clearly in a comment on your blog post, and will say again:I think Raven's comment is wrong and bad. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE RAPE OR THREATENED RAPE OF ANYONE EVER. Oh, and here's my Elvis video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwLbik9an8&feature=channel_video_titleDavid Futrelle plucks four quotes from 80+ strong comments section that range from problematic to straight up idiotic. Yet on his way to find them he must have seen a slutwalker called Elijah Daniel Raven being quoted talking about the corrective rape of Jack Donavan – “Im liking your page so that I can tell you to suck my tranny cock, and shuve it down your jerk face asshole. kisses. hope you like the taste of my meat”, and a female slutwalker called Sophis St. James praising him for it at the beginning of Jack Donavans article.That’s right: Dave may have read an offensive comment on someone else’s blog! Which is, you know, the same as endorsing it. Catalogue: how many offensive things have you read that you failed to denounce? Because I’ll bet you’ve been supporting some pretty heinous things over the years, by your own logic. |
2011-09-19T18:17:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/18/new-mens-rights-subreddit-moderator-thinks-violence-against-women-is-just-hilarious/comment-page-5/#comment-61763 |
Catalogue: And I've added a followup comment to the piece acknowledging that there are more comments critical of AnnArchist's promotion to mod. | 2011-09-19T09:25:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/18/new-mens-rights-subreddit-moderator-thinks-violence-against-women-is-just-hilarious/comment-page-1/#comment-61456 |
if you go to the original thread you will see that the post here is willfully deceptive too. the two most up voted comments and many of the others, are disagreeing with the choice of mod.Yeah, and if you look at whem they were posted, you'll see they were posted 9 hours ago. I posted my blog post 13 hours ago. That is, in case you're too dense to see the point, the comments you're talking about were posted AFTER I wrote and posted my post. |
2011-09-19T09:17:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/18/new-mens-rights-subreddit-moderator-thinks-violence-against-women-is-just-hilarious/comment-page-1/#comment-61450 |
Db0 -- Ignatius announced that kloo was leaving a little while back. I don't have the link. If you look at kloo's account he hasn't posted in 20 days. |
2011-09-19T03:09:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/18/new-mens-rights-subreddit-moderator-thinks-violence-against-women-is-just-hilarious/comment-page-1/#comment-61426 |
raz, AVfM has run numerous posts lauding Ball, and has posted his entire manifesto, including his calls for violence (omitting only the specific advice on how to make molotov cocktails). Also: the new co-moderator of the mensrights subreddit talks all the time about how some people should be killed: http://manboobz.com/2011/09/18/new-mens-rights-subreddit-moderator-thinks-violence-against-women-is-just-hilarious/ |
2011-09-19T03:01:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/16/why-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-to-stop-making-excuses-for-violence/comment-page-5/#comment-61425 |
AnnArchist has now edited his violent comment about the false accuser, removing the violent parts. Luckily, someone got a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/JCy5u.png I've got screenshots of most of the rest as well. |
2011-09-18T23:38:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/18/new-mens-rights-subreddit-moderator-thinks-violence-against-women-is-just-hilarious/comment-page-1/#comment-61397 |
I'm not worried about regular old zombies, or even zombie teddy bears. Zombie teletubbies, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-db9qgn99o |
2011-09-18T23:17:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/17/lady-killer-killer-lady/comment-page-3/#comment-61393 |
Maggie, people have to say some really egregious shit before I put them on moderation. What have they been saying about you? | 2011-09-18T23:16:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/17/lady-killer-killer-lady/comment-page-3/#comment-61392 |
Catalogue, you are too delusional to have a real argument with. | 2011-09-17T20:26:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/16/why-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-to-stop-making-excuses-for-violence/comment-page-4/#comment-61197 |
Catalogue, again, I didn't say Palmer or Breivik were MRAs. Did you actually bother to read my posts, or did you just skim them and make a bunch of assumptions? If you're going to accuse other people of slandering you, you should probably try not to misrepresent my views either. | 2011-09-17T19:39:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/16/why-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-to-stop-making-excuses-for-violence/comment-page-4/#comment-61187 |
Catalogue, Ball states plainly that he expects people on the other side to die as a result of the actions he's advocating. Also, I'm very clearly NOT saying that all MRAs are violent. Indeed, the point of the post was to urge those who are NOT violent to speak up against violent talk in the MRM, and to repudiate those who advocate terrorism, like Ball. And another also: I can't speak for everyone here, but I don't canonize the suffragettes. They were flawed people, sharing many of the prejudices of their time, and I don't support vandalism as a political tactic. |
2011-09-17T15:59:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/16/why-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-to-stop-making-excuses-for-violence/comment-page-3/#comment-61101 |
stoner, I treated Sofia the same way I treat the other idiots I write about. I generally don't go for a lot of name-calling; there's no need for it, really, since simply quoting them is usually enough to make clear how idiotic they are. | 2011-09-17T15:46:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/14/stop-your-sobbing-or-expect-to-get-paid-less-ladies/comment-page-6/#comment-61092 |
maggie, do you ever actually criticize anything said by MRAs? You come in here and passive-aggressively sort-of-defend all sort of ridiculous MRA opinions -- even some, like this nonsense from DD, that I can't believe you really agree with. | 2011-09-17T15:36:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/17/lady-killer-killer-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-61088 |
Catalogue, forget all this arguing over what constitutes violence: find me an MRA who says "we shouldn't be canonizing Thomas Ball because he advocated terrorism, and terrorism is wrong." | 2011-09-17T15:23:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/16/why-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-to-stop-making-excuses-for-violence/comment-page-3/#comment-61081 |
... and paniorpa stops by with that apologia I predicted. . | 2011-09-17T05:04:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/16/why-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-to-stop-making-excuses-for-violence/comment-page-2/#comment-60978 |
Oh, and I missed this comment from a new commenter that was caught by the spam filter:
Margot Submitted on 2011/09/16 at 10:23 am I think (or at least I really hope) that Holly is right that most of the MRA’s aren’t really thinking about the consequences of what they are advocating for. But, that really doesn’t change David’s point at all. They aren’t children and they aren’t writing fiction. They are writing hate speech and advocating for real acts of violence. I tend to think that so far we have seen already violent and unbalanced people committing most of the crimes for which the MRA’s craft their apologias. But, there are plenty of examples, the KKK being one, of hate groups creating their own internal momentum towards violence. |
2011-09-17T02:50:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/16/why-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-to-stop-making-excuses-for-violence/comment-page-2/#comment-60972 |
Oy. Francois, I deleted your comment and you are banned. No violent shit here please. |
2011-09-17T01:44:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/16/why-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-to-stop-making-excuses-for-violence/comment-page-2/#comment-60971 |
Also: hellkell, your thing about MRAL's eye, not cool. | 2011-09-16T14:51:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/14/stop-your-sobbing-or-expect-to-get-paid-less-ladies/comment-page-6/#comment-60796 |
Scroll up to see NWO comparing this guy to the founding fathers. | 2011-09-16T14:17:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/16/why-the-mens-rights-movement-needs-to-stop-making-excuses-for-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-60784 |
Oy. MRAL, you're back on moderation. WTF, dude. You managed to be civil for about a day, then this shit again. | 2011-09-16T13:56:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/14/stop-your-sobbing-or-expect-to-get-paid-less-ladies/comment-page-6/#comment-60781 |
SC, I'm taking you off moderation too. | 2011-09-16T00:45:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/14/stop-your-sobbing-or-expect-to-get-paid-less-ladies/comment-page-4/#comment-60618 |
Guys, you're forgetting the important point here: Fidelbogen read a hundred pages of Moby Dick when he was NINE! This clearly makes him a brilliant writer and thinker, so, uh, keep that in mind. |
2011-09-15T19:12:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/bla-bla-pussy-cartel-bla-bla-cock-blockade/comment-page-7/#comment-60543 |
Just took a bunch of comments out of moderation; scroll up to read them. MRAL, I'm taking you off moderation. |
2011-09-15T17:49:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/14/stop-your-sobbing-or-expect-to-get-paid-less-ladies/comment-page-4/#comment-60510 |
Piggy:
there were legit reasons for people to question this woman’s account of her attack. She’d been associated with face painting and she’d been an anti-rape/feminist activist.She was associated with FACE PAINTING?! I didn't realize that. Clearly face-painters can't be trusted. You know the old saying, paint your face once, shame on you; paint your face twice, shame on me! Or something like that. |
2011-09-14T01:20:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/the-recent-ugliness-on-reddit/comment-page-3/#comment-60009 |
More proof that some grandmothers enjoyed the blowjobs! An actual primary source document, courtesy of someone on Reddit: http://i.imgur.com/ik4KRh.jpg From here: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/ke73l/found_a_letter_from_my_grandma_to_my_granddad_not/ |
2011-09-13T21:09:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/feminism-was-born-out-of-a-pr-campaign-to-get-women-to-smoke-cigarettes-and-other-fun-facts-from-reddit/comment-page-5/#comment-59948 |
Hengist, you're talking to people who have been reading NWO's bullshit for months and months. We know the sort of vile shit he says on a regular basis, and we know what even more vile shit he said that led me to put him on moderation. (Most places would have banned him months ago; I let him get away with get away with breaking the rules here again and again.) If Nobinayamu had directed her angry comment on someone other than this particular person, I probably would have put her on moderation. But NWO has pretty much forfeited the right to be treated politely here Is it "shaming language" if it's directed at someone who has no shame? |
2011-09-13T20:20:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/bla-bla-pussy-cartel-bla-bla-cock-blockade/comment-page-5/#comment-59933 |
Here's what I said in that debate catalogue cited to "prove" that abuse denial is "in the DNA" of this site:
though a much smaller percentage of men suffer from serious abuse than women, the suffering they endure is every bit as real. Men don't have to suffer half of all serious abuse for their suffering to count; there is no need to exaggerate to make the point that we as a society need to take abuse directed at men more seriously.http://manboobz.blogspot.com/p/not-so-great-debate-on-domestic.html |
2011-09-13T20:02:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/the-recent-ugliness-on-reddit/comment-page-2/#comment-59920 |
SC, I deleted two of your comments and I'm putting you on moderation. Suggesting that some people "shouldn't be allowed to live" is way over the line. | 2011-09-13T16:27:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/the-recent-ugliness-on-reddit/comment-page-2/#comment-59849 |
Ha! You guys beat me to it, By mere seconds. |
2011-09-13T00:12:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/bla-bla-pussy-cartel-bla-bla-cock-blockade/comment-page-3/#comment-59661 |
Ginmar, now you're sounding exactly like NWO. | 2011-09-13T00:11:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/bla-bla-pussy-cartel-bla-bla-cock-blockade/comment-page-3/#comment-59660 |
Ginmar, no one accused you of being a "unshaved, humorless, sweaty, smelly, every-stereotype-there-is feminist." But you're constantly pulling this "more-feminist-than-thou" shit whenever anyone here disagrees with you about anything up to and including Princess Leia. That's what Holly was calling you on. And you responded ... by pulling yet more "more feminist than thou" shit: It's tedious. And the fits you throw whenever people challenge you; seriously, you're nearly as melodramatic as NWO. |
2011-09-12T23:50:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/bla-bla-pussy-cartel-bla-bla-cock-blockade/comment-page-3/#comment-59646 |
I'm putting DKM on moderation. | 2011-09-12T22:41:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/the-recent-ugliness-on-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-59613 |
FWIW, Men's Rights Activist Five Star General was posting from MRAL's IP address, so either MRAL was lying about not being Five Star General , or he did it while in a fugue state, or he's got a roommate who pulled a prank on him. Or, BEARS ATE HIM and have assumed his identity, and wanted to pull a prank on him. | 2011-09-12T16:41:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/11/will-the-coming-apocalypse-put-bitchy-ladies-in-their-place/comment-page-3/#comment-59513 |
And ... MRAL is going on moderation again. | 2011-09-12T16:24:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/12/bla-bla-pussy-cartel-bla-bla-cock-blockade/comment-page-2/#comment-59511 |
SC is indeed the same person who posted earlier as HINDU. Same IP address. Magpie (and SC/HINDU), I don't think anyone here disagrees that people in different countries have different ideas about sexuality. I think what is frustrating about SC/HINDU's arguments is 1) that she's asserting, based on no evidence, that essentially all women throughout history thought blowjobs were icky and immoral and didn't do them, and 2) that she's essentially saying American (well, North American) and European women today who like giving blowjobs have basically been brainwashed by porn. Most of us here (as far as I can gather from the comments) think that she's wrong on the facts here -- she's given no evidence for her various assertions other than "ask your grandma" -- and that her insinuations about women being brainwashed by porn are rather insulting to women who have different ideas about sexuality than she does. Also, SC/HINDU, I'm curious -- you've referred to India in the past as your "native land." I gather from your recent remarks that you live in Jamaica. Were you born in India? Do you consider yourself Jamaican, Indian, Indian-Jamaican, or what? |
2011-09-12T03:43:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/feminism-was-born-out-of-a-pr-campaign-to-get-women-to-smoke-cigarettes-and-other-fun-facts-from-reddit/comment-page-5/#comment-59357 |
SC, both of my grandmothers loved to regale us grandkids with tales of all the blowjobs they gave in their youth. Oh, wait, my grandparents never discussed sex with us at all, and I would never have dreamed of bringing up the issue with any of them because that would have been really really weeeeeird. |
2011-09-12T01:30:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/feminism-was-born-out-of-a-pr-campaign-to-get-women-to-smoke-cigarettes-and-other-fun-facts-from-reddit/comment-page-5/#comment-59329 |
The line from "Fear of a Black Hat" that I try to work into conversation is "it ain't that kind of party." | 2011-09-12T01:27:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/11/new-meme-mens-rights-activist-marmoset/comment-page-1/#comment-59326 |
As long as I can still order pizzas over the internet, I will do just fine in the apocalypse. | 2011-09-11T19:06:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/11/will-the-coming-apocalypse-put-bitchy-ladies-in-their-place/comment-page-2/#comment-59250 |
I should point out that I'm the one who added BEARS to the postapocalyptic scenario here. I would be almost completely screwed in the event of an apocalypse. I have very few skills But I might do ok with BEARS, I've got a sort of badass cat. Cats know how to handle bears. http://www.davesdailydose.com/pics/h/k/bear_cat_tree_funny.jpg |
2011-09-11T17:10:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/11/will-the-coming-apocalypse-put-bitchy-ladies-in-their-place/comment-page-2/#comment-59233 |
I fixed the italics! HA! I am drunk on power. |
2011-09-11T02:36:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/feminism-was-born-out-of-a-pr-campaign-to-get-women-to-smoke-cigarettes-and-other-fun-facts-from-reddit/comment-page-4/#comment-59036 |
Puppy Bowl is a lie! The puppies are not in bowls. |
2011-09-09T19:23:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/09/off-topic-kittens-bowls-adorable/comment-page-1/#comment-58757 |
Francois, yikes. You clearly need to team up with Anthony here. | 2011-09-09T16:46:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/08/man-boobz-video-7-split-the-country-in-half-men-on-one-side-women-on-the-other/comment-page-2/#comment-58735 |
While we're talking Thailand, here's an interesting Thai music blog: http://monrakplengthai.blogspot.com/ Interesting Thai horror movies: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Shutter/70062814?trkid=5446744 http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Unborn/70052046?trkid=2011361 |
2011-09-08T23:08:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/mra-blog-suggests-a-cooling-off-period-would-make-statutory-rape-ok/comment-page-4/#comment-58556 |
I know! All that paperwork. | 2011-09-08T18:43:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/mra-blog-suggests-a-cooling-off-period-would-make-statutory-rape-ok/comment-page-4/#comment-58488 |
True love always finds a way. | 2011-09-08T18:35:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/08/best-spam-comment-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-58484 |
BRB, just had an idea for another animation series. | 2011-09-08T18:29:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/08/man-boobz-video-7-split-the-country-in-half-men-on-one-side-women-on-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-58481 |
At one point the guys on one of the MGTOW forums (can't remember which one) were talking semi-seriously about doing that. Well, semi, semi seriously. I would love to see that. Roommates are tough; communes are tougher. A bunch of angry, stubborn, delusional dudes moving in together? Actually, what they should do is to pitch a reality show: Guy Island. |
2011-09-08T18:28:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/08/man-boobz-video-7-split-the-country-in-half-men-on-one-side-women-on-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-58480 |
Hey, wasn't there a time in American history when white dudes couldn't, like, elect a leader and shit? It was as if they had no representation, but at the same time they were being taxed? Whatever happened with that? | 2011-09-08T02:27:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/feminism-was-born-out-of-a-pr-campaign-to-get-women-to-smoke-cigarettes-and-other-fun-facts-from-reddit/comment-page-2/#comment-58324 |
Anthony, it's true that most MRAs don't see age of consent as an MR issue. But some, like the guy behind Human Stupidity, do, and these guys get very little criticism from other MRAs. Human Stupidity is linked to by a number of MR blogs -- including, until recently, by the False Rape Society. In Mala FIde, a blog popular with MRAs, regularly runs pieces by him. Another manosphere dude obsessed with age of consent and why it's supposedly evil and "misandrist" is Jay Hammers; he's written 16 posts for The Spearhead. |
2011-09-07T17:09:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/mra-blog-suggests-a-cooling-off-period-would-make-statutory-rape-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-58148 |
Fun fact: The guy who posted that comment about doors also happens to be a white supremacist. | 2011-09-07T16:26:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/feminism-was-born-out-of-a-pr-campaign-to-get-women-to-smoke-cigarettes-and-other-fun-facts-from-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-58111 |
Somehow I forgot to add the link to the Reddit post. Oops. It's there now, twice! | 2011-09-07T15:54:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/07/feminism-was-born-out-of-a-pr-campaign-to-get-women-to-smoke-cigarettes-and-other-fun-facts-from-reddit/comment-page-1/#comment-58094 |
NWO's on moderation, so I just want to make sure everyone gets to enjoy this latest comment of his, which I just approved but which is back a page and likely to be missed if I don't repost it. So here it is:
NWOslave | September 6, 2011 at 11:11 am
@Pecunium “There is a discriminatory effect. It is justifiable, because the need to be certain that, at their worst, the people who are operating motor vehicles are able to distinguish obstacles and understand signage at a reasonable distance require some sort of test.” That’s what the nazis said when they killed Jews, it’s justifiable. That’s what the communists said when they killed the christians, it’s justifiable. That’s Pol Pot said in about genocide, it’s justifiable. That’s what every tyrannical Government thruout history has said about oppression and discrimination, it’s justfiable. So you equate poor vision with blatant, “justifiable” oppression and discrimination of men? Is that your comparison? Me, with my warped sense of values. All this time I thought oppression and discrimination were never, “justifiable.” Thank you for enlightening me about womens justice! I’m glad colleges teach us that men deserve to be oppressed and discrimnated against for being born men, and it’s “justifiable.” |
2011-09-06T16:08:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/04/this-means-war-also-cats/comment-page-4/#comment-57768 |
Hey, that one scene in Splice where (SPOILER ALERT!) the blobby mutant things attacked each other in front of the investors was pretty good. | 2011-09-05T17:56:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/04/this-means-war-also-cats/comment-page-2/#comment-57592 |
New post up. It's off-topic, though. Labor day! Also, MRAL, you're on moderation again. NOTE: There are a number of people on moderation and/or banned at the moment. Which is weird, because I have really really low standards for acceptable comments, It is really really really easy to post in such a manner that you are never put on moderation here. Basically, it involves not doing a few things: 1) Really nasty and/or obscene personal attacks. 2) Really creepy comments about a person. 3) Advocating genocide. 4) Posting skeezy links and being a Nazi pedophile who says "heeheeheee" all the time. 5) Posting 80 gazillion long posts that grow more and more alarming as the night goes on. MRAL, once again you have tripped over #1 here. |
2011-09-05T17:38:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/04/this-means-war-also-cats/comment-page-2/#comment-57588 |
What the fucking hell just happened here? I mean, holy crap. If Samuel isn't a very dedicated (and frankly, pretty advanced) troll, he is seriously one of the strangest people I have ever encountered anywhere. He's gotta be a troll, right? Also: NWO, you're on moderation too, for being an even bigger asshole than usual. (And no, they're not posting from the same IP.) I have a couple of other threads to catch up on. I'm hoping they don't end in a similar explosion of creepiness and bonersplaining (which is like mansplaning, by a dude who spends too much time thinking about his boners, and thinks we should too). Also: If someone posts something that seems banworthy, for whatever reason, email me; sometimes it takes me a while to catch up with runaway threads. |
2011-09-05T00:07:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-12/#comment-57446 |
I haven't gone back and caught up with this whole thread yet, but reading the most recent comments I have to say, yikes. Samuel, I'm putting you on moderation for excessive creepiness. Chill, dude. |
2011-09-04T22:47:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-12/#comment-57413 |
DKM, you do realize that if the US military went up against the Chinese military, that, uh, the Chinese military has women soldiers too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA4T1wfJLE |
2011-09-03T19:21:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/30/do-mgtowers-just-want-to-cuddle-possibly-with-robots/comment-page-7/#comment-56843 |
Just catching up with the thread here. (Had a migraine; mine last fucking forever.)
Anyway, there were a few comments caught in moderation that are now way back in the thread, so I thought I'd repost them here:
anon | September 3, 2011 at 7:16 am A friend of mine was raped by a guy using that “I’d like to use your bathroom” line. They hadn’t had any kind of sexual contact before he raped her; they just shared a taxi as they were going to the same area, he “walked her home” even though she didn’t want him to, they were both very drunk (or at least she was) and after using the bathroom, he refused to leave. Eventually she fell asleep with him still there, and he raped her in her sleep. I wonder if that guy thought he was “escalating” like the advice-giving pick up artists on the website told him to. I wonder if he bragged on websites afterwards about the HB9 he had “sex” with. I find it hard to find words to express the depth of my contempt and rage for people like that who are enabling and training rapists.And this bit of creepy rape apologia, evidently not from a native speaker: BROM | September 3, 2011 at 7:25 am Dating gaming is such tiring hassle for male who do not already have it as personal hobbyfun. If female rejects male, male feel like fool for wasting time having got nothing for effort and pride feels insulted because male feel like weakling. If female approves male, male still feel like fool for wasting time having go through formality and pride still feels insulted because male feel like beggar. Much better for male to simply take what would female give free anyway, even if male not ask at all. This where desirable to have females do approaching to male. Spares male from getting pride insulted and saves time since male not bother chasing females. However, this only works if male True Alpha, so male blessed with “groupies” (of course, True Alpha blessed only if groupies really sexy). If male Beta or Gamma, no such luck, and you have to go through whole tedious courtship process. If male True Omega, females either flee on sight or sic other males – usually “white knights” on True Omega. Life of modern male very difficult indeed! but maybe only if male is straight. Don’t know how life if male is gay or bi. Only know life of straight male is not easy.Might also be a troll, of course, And this one: Hengist | September 3, 2011 at 11:46 am Hi everyone, delurking to say I agree with kysokisaen on the troll thing. I’ve enjoyed reading this blog for awhile but it seems that too often lately threads get hijacked and turned into big bash-fests, or derailed just as the discussion is getting good, by NWO, or Anthony Zarat, or that Juan something guy. I guess one solution would be for everyone to just stop responding to them? They’re obviously doing this to get a rise and comments out of people, that is the classic definition of a troll. And at this point, not even mocking them or demolishing their arguments is fun anymore, because they don’t seem to notice or care, and the damage to the thread is done. Those are just my thoughts anyway, as Mr. Futrelle will do as he thinks best. Back to lurking now.Hengist, I understand the frustration, but trolls are part of the package in Manboobz threads. But luckily Manboobz discussions come in two flavors! If you want discussion without all the trolls, you might want to check out the Manboobz forum, linked in the sidebar; that's much more heavily moderated, for all the reasons you spell out. |
2011-09-03T19:07:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-5/#comment-56840 |
Ok, I had to let that one from Johnny/Ion through moderation too. Google said Bucharest. I'll take your word on your location. But I forgot to mention, as CB (I think) pointed out to me before, that Ion is the Romanian equivalent of the name John. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_%28name%29 Three strikes, dude. |
2011-09-03T04:13:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-4/#comment-56755 |
Johnny_B, I let through these last comments because .... really? You really expect me to believe that you just happen to be using the same IP address (located in Bucharest) as Ion? CB and Snowy both noticed that your comments sounded an awful lot like those of Ion. I checked the IP address and lo and behold, it's the same one Ion used months ago. So unless you've got an identical twin who happens to write exactly like you AND who happens to be in the same dorm in Bucharest -- not a major source of traffic for this blog -- I think it's pretty safe to say that you and Ion are one and the same. Or maybe there's some sort of Fight Club thing going on. Do you happen to make soap and engage in recreational fighting with am imaginary friend? |
2011-09-03T03:14:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-4/#comment-56751 |
CB and Snowy are, it turns out, absolutely correct about Johnny_B; he is indeed the, er, reincarnation of Ion, who got himself banned from here a while back. Same IP address. I originally banned one IP address Ion was posting from; I hadn't realized he had used another one as well, which is where "Johnny_B" has been posting from. Well, not any more,. I just banned that one too. |
2011-09-02T19:47:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-3/#comment-56640 |
Sorry, that goodly. | 2011-09-02T19:07:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-56622 |
shaenon, excellent summary of the Book of Learnin! I only wish I had been educated that good. |
2011-09-02T19:07:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-56621 |
Thanks for the link, Donsie! I've added the embedded video in the OP. | 2011-09-02T18:15:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/01/life-before-feminism-the-future-inspiration-for-austin-powers-records-the-worst-song-in-history/comment-page-1/#comment-56591 |
Also, there was a comment from Jules that was in moderation that talked a bit more about that rapey Second City monologue and gave some links. It's back on the first page, so here's a link: http://manboobz.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-56468 |
2011-09-02T18:08:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-56587 |
Also, talking to someone for at least a few minutes before asking them out allows you to decide if you are interested in more than their looks. Or if they are actually a horrible person. Maybe this girl in the class is a Hitler-loving puppy killer. Can't really know until you talk to her and see if she starts going on about how much she loves Hitler and hates puppies. | 2011-09-02T18:07:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-56586 |
Johnny b said:
How would people ever get along without Dave’s insightful advice (which in this case seems to say “don’t approach any women, ever”…?)Sigh. Try reading a bit more carefully. My advice would be the same as the good basic advice he got from the people in Seddit: Come up with some excuse to talk to her before class, then ask her out. Nothing wrong with approaching people. But asking someone out before you've exchanged two words with them is weird and creepy. My concern, though, is that if this guy sticks around Seddit, he may well never pick up the "empathy" thing, and will instead learn all sorts of tricks to get past women's "resistance." That was kind of the whole point of the piece. |
2011-09-02T18:03:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/09/02/is-seddit-teaching-date-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-56583 |
Ugh. Juan is now banned. I'm sick of his creepy Nazi pedo shit and his heeheeeheees. There were a bunch of his comments in moderation, and I sent them to the trash. | 2011-09-02T17:38:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/31/alucin-in-wonderland/comment-page-5/#comment-56573 |
MRAL, new post up, just for you. Well, not just for you, actually, but a new post is up. |
2011-09-01T21:47:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/31/alucin-in-wonderland/comment-page-5/#comment-56366 |
Oh, NWO, can you never admit a mistake? Also, that Russian letter you think is an "H" is not an H. That letter you think is a Y is not a Y. |
2011-09-01T07:13:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/31/alucin-in-wonderland/comment-page-4/#comment-56284 |
societal contract said:
there has been a crossover from HBD thought into the MRA sphere. HBD bleeding into MRA bleeding into PUA.Yep. see In Mala Fide, linked in teh sidebar. |
2011-08-31T21:27:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/31/alucin-in-wonderland/comment-page-2/#comment-56162 |
shesaidwut said:
What body language, what non-verbal communication do you see in David’s picture that reads as “buys women’s used panties online”?To be fair, that is a cropped photo of me looking at a huge pile of used panties. |
2011-08-31T07:34:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/30/do-mgtowers-just-want-to-cuddle-possibly-with-robots/comment-page-4/#comment-55776 |
It's a good thing I never posted that picture of me eating those puppies. | 2011-08-31T04:50:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/30/do-mgtowers-just-want-to-cuddle-possibly-with-robots/comment-page-4/#comment-55744 |
JUAN, you're on moderation for posting some truly skeevy links earlier. Any other links you try to post that even look like they could possibly be skeevy -- and I'm not even going to click on them to check -- aren't going to be posted. | 2011-08-31T01:58:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/30/do-mgtowers-just-want-to-cuddle-possibly-with-robots/comment-page-3/#comment-55701 |
If someone makes Holly's MRA-poop thing into an actual comic, I will run it as a post. | 2011-08-30T22:44:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/22/dudes-republic-of-china/comment-page-8/#comment-55659 |
It is sometimes a little disconcerting to share a first name with David K. Meller. | 2011-08-30T22:35:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/28/breaking-irene-coverage-pre-empts-glenn-beck-radio-show-markymark-annoyed/comment-page-1/#comment-55655 |
NWO, I'm curious, since we're all supposed to be lobbying against that t-shirt you don't like, if you or any other MRAs have been lobbying against these t-shirts? http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/DISCIPLINE-YOUR-BITCH-T-SHIRT-P11323.aspx http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/50000-BATTERED-WOMEN-AND-I-STILL-EAT-MINE-PLAIN-T-SHIRT-WHITE-INK-P10468.aspx I mean, as for myself, I think there are probably more important things in the world than offensive t-shirts, and I'm not for censorship, even of vile shit but if you're opposed to t-shirts that make jokes about violence directed at a particular gender, and you're not a hypocrite, you should probably be writing some angry emails about these too. |
2011-08-30T22:19:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/30/do-mgtowers-just-want-to-cuddle-possibly-with-robots/comment-page-3/#comment-55640 |
Oh crap, did I end that with the dreaded MRA two-dot period??! AGGHHHHHH.. |
2011-08-30T18:35:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/30/do-mgtowers-just-want-to-cuddle-possibly-with-robots/comment-page-2/#comment-55532 |
Johhny said:
Yeah, they probably also thinkYes, let's argue against people by making up things we think they think. You probably also think it's a good idea to put grapes in your nose while singing the national anthem. . |
2011-08-30T18:34:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/30/do-mgtowers-just-want-to-cuddle-possibly-with-robots/comment-page-2/#comment-55531 |
Ginmar, when you go on with all that "I'm a baby-eating bla bla bla" you are in fact letting the discussion be defined by the antifeminists. And you're giving them an excuse to trot out more bullshit ("you guys tell dick jokes") that they sometimes pull out but that wasn't being talked about here until you brought it up. And you're derailing the thread so it becomes in part about you rather than about creepy pedos. I actually find all that completely unhelpful and rather tedious. I find it much more helpful to refute their most egregious stereotypes in a sentence or two, and then to go back to the real discussion. |
2011-08-30T18:26:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/28/again-with-the-14-year-old-girls/comment-page-5/#comment-55528 |
Amused, awesome comment on the Mammoth Question! If you find your notes, definitely post the sources. | 2011-08-29T16:34:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/29/and-the-we-hunted-the-mammoth-award-goes-to/comment-page-1/#comment-55200 |
Hey, all. I was away from the internets for a while and a bunch of comments piled up in moderation/spam filter, mostly in this topic, including some by TAB. They're up now. | 2011-08-29T15:48:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/28/again-with-the-14-year-old-girls/comment-page-4/#comment-55192 |
Yoon, that "half of rape accusations are false" thing, comes, I suspect, from a story making the rounds of the MRAsphere; some Bavarian police chief said something to that effect, so they've adopted that as gospel. | 2011-08-29T05:55:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/28/again-with-the-14-year-old-girls/comment-page-2/#comment-55049 |
Oh, and by catuar. | 2011-08-29T00:51:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/28/again-with-the-14-year-old-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-54952 |
Several comments (by JUANDELACRUZ and Meh) got caught by the spam filter; they're up now. | 2011-08-29T00:50:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/28/again-with-the-14-year-old-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-54951 |
MissPrism, it's telling that the only sort of "activism" many MRAs can seem to imagine consists of basically stalking and harassing individual women (and a few men) online. | 2011-08-28T19:23:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/27/slutwalkers-and-saints/comment-page-4/#comment-54829 |
I hate to say it,but evil is correct about something -- chimps being apes. I changed it. | 2011-08-28T19:07:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/28/breaking-irene-coverage-pre-empts-glenn-beck-radio-show-markymark-annoyed/comment-page-1/#comment-54825 |
Stoner, did you actually read my post? I didn't claim that "nice guys" are sociopaths; indeed I specifically said they weren't. I noted that some specific things about a posting by a sociopath reminded me of things I've seen "nice guys" say. (And by "nice guys," I'm referring to a specific sort of guy who thinks he's nice, but really isn't, in part because he seems to have no empathy for the women he fixates on.) I could explain more, or you could jsut go back and read what I actually wrote. And I'm most definitely NOT mocking people with social difficulties for having social difficulties. I've had social difficulties; practically everyone I know has dealt with them. Including women, of course. I am mocking (or at least criticizing) guys with social difficulties who turn around and blame women for it all, getting angry that women actually -- gasp! -- get to choose who they go out with. Or feeling sort of glad an old crush got raped because she "had it coming." If a guy has social difficulties, and instead of turning into a misogynist creep, actually develops empathy for others with the same difficulties, that's fantastic. It's the awkward dudes who turn into hateful misogynist creeps I'm not so fond of. |
2011-08-27T23:58:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/19/are-nice-guys-sociopaths/comment-page-3/#comment-54696 |
Holly, ha ha! i beat you to it. Look at the last item on the sidebar on the right. This blog is now an Admiralty Court, motherfuckers! And I am the judge! I'm going to be enforcing the fuck out of the Law of the Sea or whatever it is that Admiralty Courts do. You're all out of order!!!! |
2011-08-27T02:46:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/26/man-boobz-video-6-are-north-american-white-women-a-bunch-of-whiney-vagineys/comment-page-3/#comment-54384 |
Voip, I have a friend who loves to read and reread the transcripts to the Lipstadt trial, or at least those involving Irving, because he is such a pompous twit, and because he is so regularly and so thoroughly PWND, yet he is still so pleased with himself and what he clearly sees as his incredible bon mots. It's rather a lot like having a discussion with DKM, actually. |
2011-08-27T02:29:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/18/for-the-love-of-god-ladies-take-off-those-pants/comment-page-6/#comment-54383 |
Some more comments by him here:
http://www.anunews.net/blog/?cat=372
A few choice ones (there are more):
David K. Meller Our African (American?) friends are telling us white people something! Is anybody listening, other than White Nationalists and perhaps a few Paleoconservatives? Thanks for the warning, brothers, and more of us "honkys" will be sure to take it under consideration as what was once White America slides into the New World Order as a third-world slum! Eventually, even the stupidest white person will understand that "racial equality" didn't work. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!! David K. Meller David K. Meller There are these constant drumbeats against so-called "White supremacy" by the bigots and ignoramuses whose hatred is directed against their own! Nowhere, however, do you hear asked the simple question--What is the alternative? If White people do NOT run our society AS WHITES, where will everyone, including nonwhites be? Take a look at Africa lately?Wasn't he complaining at one point that we were slandering him by calling him (well,pointing out that he is) a racist? |
2011-08-26T19:05:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/18/for-the-love-of-god-ladies-take-off-those-pants/comment-page-5/#comment-54246 |
In case anyone is still wondering, I did a little googling and yes, Mr. David K. Meller has posted on Stormfront and other racist sites. Here are a bunch of his comments. Oh, and I found a fairly hair-raising comment of his on this site too: http://whitelocust.wordpress.com/america-in-crisis-the-triumph-of-political-correctness/transition-to-black-rule/ | 2011-08-26T18:53:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/18/for-the-love-of-god-ladies-take-off-those-pants/comment-page-5/#comment-54242 |
AntZ, you know that something like 90% of crimes are committed by men. If you add together all the costs of crime -- police, courts, prisons, medical bills of victims, property damage, etc -- I suppose you could say that women are paying for the criminal actions of men. Should men be forced to pay 90% of the costs of crime? Well, no, that would be sort of goofy. Your complaints about men paying for women's social security, etc are similarly goofy. |
2011-08-26T18:07:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/26/man-boobz-video-6-are-north-american-white-women-a-bunch-of-whiney-vagineys/comment-page-2/#comment-54235 |
Let's see if the video embeds here: http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/684444/vma-madonna-like-a-virgin.jhtml#id=1669490 |
2011-08-25T16:14:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/25/like-a-purr-gin/comment-page-1/#comment-53859 |
That's the second time DKM has said "hit the nail on the button." Is this a glitch in the matrix? Is he a Poe? Is The Spearhead a Poe? Are you all Poes!???!!!? |
2011-08-25T04:51:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/18/for-the-love-of-god-ladies-take-off-those-pants/comment-page-4/#comment-53777 |
MRAL, I've taken you off moderation BTW, you weren't on moderation because you're a "dissenter." You were on moderation b/c you were having a tantrum and lashing out with really nasty personal attacks. None of the other regular trolls here are on moderation at the moment, actually. Trolls are entertaining, and I don't like to put them on moderation unless they're acting in a really really nasty way. . |
2011-08-24T17:03:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/24/man-boobz-super-fun-time-video-party-5-a-nice-guys-plea/comment-page-1/#comment-53633 |
Denia, thanks for that ... horrible ... thing. That may go in the next MB super fun video. |
2011-08-23T18:19:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/19/are-nice-guys-sociopaths/comment-page-3/#comment-53318 |
A couple of substantive posts by Rutee got held in moderation. One is on the previous page of comments; the other on this page. Links: http://manboobz.com/2011/08/22/dudes-republic-of-china/comment-page-1/#comment-53198 http://manboobz.com/2011/08/22/dudes-republic-of-china/comment-page-2/#comment-53221 |
2011-08-23T17:40:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/22/dudes-republic-of-china/comment-page-2/#comment-53310 |
AZ had a quote held in moderation way back at the start of the thread; it's up now. Here's a link: http://manboobz.com/2011/08/23/barbershop-handjobs-and-women-as-chattel-some-spearhead-gems/comment-page-1/#comment-53118 Don;t get your hopes up; it's a rehash of a very old complaint about this blog: that it's unfair to quote commenters at the Spearhead because they're victims of violence from evil feminist courts. Rutee, your comments were being held too, they're all up now. |
2011-08-23T17:26:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/23/barbershop-handjobs-and-women-as-chattel-some-spearhead-gems/comment-page-2/#comment-53305 |
chuck, so your answer on child abuse, then, is "no," MRAs haven't done shit on that issue. | 2011-08-23T07:39:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/20/demotivated/comment-page-4/#comment-53110 |
chuck, you do realize that your link shows that Chesler's book got lots of supportive blurbs from prominent feminists. A friend of mine, a feminist, wrote a well-regarded book on competition amongst women called "Catfight." http://www.amazon.com/Catfight-Rivalries-Women---Boardroom-Delivery/dp/B000C4T1Q8/ She wrote an earlier book on slut-shaming that talked a great deal about girls being the primary "slut shamers" amongst high schoolers. Feminists talk about this stuff all the time. And what on earth are you talking about with regard to bell hooks? How does the fact that women in this forum brought her up and talked about how important she is to them offer proof that ... she's being disregarded by feminists? You're just making shit up, dude, and most of it doesn;t make any sense at all. |
2011-08-23T07:35:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/20/demotivated/comment-page-4/#comment-53105 |
chuck, can you tell me what the MRM has done to try to combat child abuse? Any programs you guys have set up? Any money raised? Any volunteer work done? Specifics, please. If you're critiquing feminists for not doing anything, you guys surely must be doing something about it, and you should have the facts right at your fingertips. Or is this just something you drag out to derail discussions about rape and to try to show that women are eeevil. |
2011-08-23T01:27:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/20/demotivated/comment-page-4/#comment-53096 |
Holy crap. Well, I learned some things from this discussion, even if slavey didn't. | 2011-08-22T18:19:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/20/demotivated/comment-page-3/#comment-52979 |
Graham, we have Andy Capp in the US as well! It was one of the strips I always read when I read the comics as a kid, though it was never ever funny. Wasn't every strip basically Andy coming home drunk and meeting Mrs. Capp with her rolling pin? | 2011-08-22T04:30:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/21/the-mrahorns/comment-page-1/#comment-52809 |
Julie, where are tehse from, his comments or the "book of Zed" or what? Which reminds me that I should go through some of his older stuff. Zed has quite a paper trail. Of turds. |
2011-08-22T01:36:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/21/the-mrahorns/comment-page-1/#comment-52798 |
who cares??, I don't understand your objection. Are you mad that the captions are misogynist, or that they make fun of MRAs? Most of the captions are actually quotes from MRAs, so, it's pretty much what we always do here, except in cartoon form. |
2011-08-22T01:31:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/21/the-mrahorns/comment-page-1/#comment-52796 |
Hmm. Hagar the Horrible could work. Or maybe the "Love is" cartoons: http://www.gocomics.com/loveis/ Or maybe Dilbert cartoons, but replacing everything Dilbert says with things from Scott Adams' blog. |
2011-08-21T22:39:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/21/the-mrahorns/comment-page-1/#comment-52769 |
Bee -- Ha! I assumed you had written all of those. These guys are beyond parody. Or maybe we're all being trolled. Maybe all MRAs/MGTOWers are trolls out to fool us. Or are you in on it too? |
2011-08-21T22:10:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/21/the-mrahorns/comment-page-1/#comment-52761 |
#1 Women in my view are complementary, NOT competitive, they seek a relationship of quality, NOT equality,... Wake up and smell the coffee! Gender is complementary and harmonious, not a power struggle that the evil feminists have been foisting on us. PEACE AND FREEDOM!!! |
2011-08-21T21:24:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/21/the-mrahorns/comment-page-1/#comment-52752 |
#1 We hunted the mammoth to feed you! | 2011-08-21T21:09:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/21/the-mrahorns/comment-page-1/#comment-52746 |
#4 "I have NO compassion for weak, disgusting, pathetic, worthless, fucking fat FUCKS who have been given every natural opportunity in the world, who could be normal and hot, who COULD be betas or alphas, but who are too fucking weak to stop stuffing their fucking fat fucking mouth with goddamn fucking cake and fat calories. FUCK them. Yes, I hate fat women. I hate them." --Guess who |
2011-08-21T21:05:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/21/the-mrahorns/comment-page-1/#comment-52742 |
johnny b, your comment got stuck in moderation because of the number of links. It's up now. Since it's a ways back in the thread, here's a direct link for anyone who wants to look at it: http://manboobz.com/2011/08/20/demotivated/comment-page-1/#comment-52558 And while we're talking about the false rape society, it's a site than not only exaggerates the number of false rape accusations (and conflates cases of mistaken identity or cases dropped or not proven in court with cases of deliberately false and malicious accusations), but it also argues that rape itself is rare, which is clearly absurd. Take a look at this post: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-in-four-lie-demolished-once-and-for.html |
2011-08-21T17:40:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/20/demotivated/comment-page-2/#comment-52665 |
katz, you're right, but I just looked up this skit from Portlandia, so I'm going to post it. Carrie Brownstein, guitarist for Sleater-Kinney, and a feminist, making fun of (a certain kind of) feminists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohk-Ey01c9k&feature=relmfu |
2011-08-21T17:21:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/21/wont-someone-think-of-the-poor-rape-joke-tellers/comment-page-1/#comment-52654 |
DKM really has opened a kettle of buttons here. | 2011-08-21T01:46:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/16/david-k-meller-on-women-getting-cancer-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha%e2%80%a6lol/comment-page-5/#comment-52550 |
Maggie, so you're pretty much inclined to defend any bullshit if it aligns vaguely with your beliefs? (Note: I am not blaming the voices, your employer, your "thuglover," etc for your dumb comment here; I am blaming you.) |
2011-08-20T19:48:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/20/demotivated/comment-page-1/#comment-52481 |
"Anthony Zarat" isn't his real name. It's what he calls his "war name." Yep, he's at war against us. He posted a couple of times here as AntZ, and the email address was under a different name. I Googled it and came up with basically nothing. So unless he wasn't to reveal his super seekret identity, I guess we'll just have to take his word for it that he's a scientific genius. Or not. |
2011-08-20T18:31:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/19/are-nice-guys-sociopaths/comment-page-2/#comment-52443 |
Antz, how can anyone have a real relationship with an imaginary person or a figment of their own imagination?
I mean, the very definition of "relationship" is contingent on having more than one thing involved in it:
The way in which two or more concepts, objects, or people are connected, or the state of being connected. |
2011-08-20T17:25:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/19/are-nice-guys-sociopaths/comment-page-2/#comment-52431 |
A comment from a new commenter, kristina.scal, got held in moderation while I was away from the internets; it's up now, near the beginning. It's worth reading; it makes a distinction between sociopathy and ASPD, and points out (as I should have made clearer in the post) that mental illness =/= evil. kristina, if you're still reading, I wonder if you could expand a bit on the differences. I've read a bit on the subject and have read a lot of contradictory things on the various meanings of "sociopath," "psychopath" and ASPD. I had gotten the impression that ASPD had sort of supplanted those terms in clinical practice. |
2011-08-20T02:51:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/19/are-nice-guys-sociopaths/comment-page-2/#comment-52349 |
Anthony, so your response to reading a sociopath's fucked-up theories about women and sex is to ... agree with the sociopath? | 2011-08-19T21:45:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/19/are-nice-guys-sociopaths/comment-page-1/#comment-52269 |
Yep, MRAasaur does need a timeout. MRAasaur, you're on moderation. Try to avoid excessive douchebaggery. |
2011-08-19T21:25:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/17/maybe-shes-just-not-that-into-you-because-women-are-incapable-of-love/comment-page-5/#comment-52263 |
Hey, I never said they were ALL hens! Anthony, generally it's referred to as a "cock carousel" -- that's why the woman in the banner at the top of roughly half the pages here is riding a rooster. Also, I am well aware of the joke potential of the word "pussy." |
2011-08-19T19:45:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/19/riding-the-alpha-female-hen-carousel/comment-page-1/#comment-52238 |
Ehhh at least one is a rooster.Not that there's anything wrong with that! (Well, aside from the whole sex with chickens part.) |
2011-08-19T18:33:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/19/riding-the-alpha-female-hen-carousel/comment-page-1/#comment-52227 |
Holly and Hellkell, your troll-detection powers are keen. And you are correct. But MRAOfficer's theory about God's butthole has a notable precedent: Carl Jung had a famous vision of God shitting on a cathedral; the vision had a big effect on him and he wrote about it in his autobiography. http://books.google.com/books?id=7qDcC963BiUC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=jung+god+shitting&source=bl&ots=C9xeeYdA5k&sig=5qvCxlwousMqgPD7Ud_xKH8urFU&hl=en&ei=QblNTvTNDaOnsAKhzsTmBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=jung%20god%20shitting&f=false Anthony seems to be having some strange visions of his own. I prefer Jung's. |
2011-08-18T20:22:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/18/for-the-love-of-god-ladies-take-off-those-pants/comment-page-1/#comment-52072 |
Also, the website he quotes from to back up his argument looks pretty real. | 2011-08-18T16:42:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/18/for-the-love-of-god-ladies-take-off-those-pants/comment-page-1/#comment-51953 |
Maybe he is a Poe. I don't know. But I'm still struck how his ludicrous "argument" is only one tiny step from the slutwalk critics. | 2011-08-18T16:40:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/18/for-the-love-of-god-ladies-take-off-those-pants/comment-page-1/#comment-51951 |
Oy. The Titanic argument again. My great-grandfather actually, literally, no joke, died on the Titanic. (Well, in the icy water near the Titanic.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Futrelle I blame the White Star Line for not having enough fucking lifeboats. And the captain of the Titanic for ordering the ship to continue on at night in basically zero visibility in a part of the ocean where numerous icebergs had been spotted. |
2011-08-18T16:07:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/17/maybe-shes-just-not-that-into-you-because-women-are-incapable-of-love/comment-page-3/#comment-51934 |
qwert666, if you actually read this thread you would see that many of the commenters have in fact gone and read the whole thread, many of them quoting specific comments that I ignored that are clearly as misogynistic as the ones I posted. Again, can you give a specific example of how my edits of any specific comments have distorted their meaning? Otherwise your complaints are meaningless. Obviously, every time I quote someone, even if I quote them in their entirety, I necessarily have to make some sort of selection. I can't simply quote every single thing said in the "manosphere." |
2011-08-17T18:14:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/17/maybe-shes-just-not-that-into-you-because-women-are-incapable-of-love/comment-page-2/#comment-51737 |
Bostonian, damn, my cherry-picking skills must be failing me! | 2011-08-17T17:25:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/17/maybe-shes-just-not-that-into-you-because-women-are-incapable-of-love/comment-page-1/#comment-51712 |
quert, the story Nobinayamu told about her grandparents, that's love. | 2011-08-17T17:24:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/17/maybe-shes-just-not-that-into-you-because-women-are-incapable-of-love/comment-page-1/#comment-51710 |
qwert666, I provide a link to the original thread in the OP; generally I provide links to the specific comments, but this is a relatively short thread, and it is not difficult to find the original comments themselves. You can go and look at the comments in their entirety yourself. I edit comments for length, to remove repetitive passages, to remove incoherent or unclear or irrelevant parts. None of my edits distort the meaning of these comments in any way. Again, all you need to do to see this is to click on one link and look at the original comments. If you feel I have distorted the meaning of any of these comments, you are free to post them in their entirety here, and to explain how you think I distorted them. |
2011-08-17T17:06:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/17/maybe-shes-just-not-that-into-you-because-women-are-incapable-of-love/comment-page-1/#comment-51705 |
Anthony, I don't know about you, but I see a comment fantasizing about violence as being roughly in the same category as one that fantasizes about the suffering of a group of people with glee.
Do you want me to dig up some violent comments on The Spearhead? Because that would take me about 2 seconds.
Oh, here's one:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/02/06/abuse-charlatan-gears-up-for-super-bowl-with-abuse-bingo-rapist-babies-ad/#comment-69495
duke February 6, 2011 at 12:32 Mangina creeps like Josh Jasper should suffer the same fate as Nazi sympathizers after WWII-taken out and shot after a five minute trial.That ad is nothing but child pornography. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 62 Thumb down 24So, yeah, violent comment on Feministe, deleted. Violent comment on The Spearhead, "well-loved" with dozens of net upvotes. |
2011-08-16T17:28:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/16/david-k-meller-on-women-getting-cancer-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha%e2%80%a6lol/comment-page-2/#comment-51446 |
Sorry, my last comment was directed at Anthony. | 2011-08-16T16:56:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/16/david-k-meller-on-women-getting-cancer-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha%e2%80%a6lol/comment-page-2/#comment-51434 |
I don't care what you were "trying to do" with the feministe comments; you misrepresented them. And in fact you misrepresented them in an attempt to make Meller's comments seem less bad: hey, the feminists do it too, so let's cut him some slack. In fact, feminists don't do what Meller did; none of those comments, except perhaps for the deleted one about the machete, come close to his level of vileness. And when someone does post a violent comment on a feminist blog, it tends to get criticized and/or deleted. Because they aren't willing to totally excuse any vile thing written because it was "written in anger." |
2011-08-16T16:54:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/16/david-k-meller-on-women-getting-cancer-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha%e2%80%a6lol/comment-page-2/#comment-51433 |
Anthony, just to let you know, in the future, I'm not going to let you derail topics as you did here. If, in response to some future post, you do, I will go back and delete all your comments in that thread and put you on moderation. |
2011-08-16T16:35:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/15/nice-guy-redux-if-youd-gone-out-with-me-you-wouldnt-have-gotten-raped/comment-page-5/#comment-51428 |
A helpful comment from Cynikal got caught in moderation hell. Here it is in context: http://manboobz.com/2011/08/15/nice-guy-redux-if-youd-gone-out-with-me-you-wouldnt-have-gotten-raped/comment-page-4/#comment-51251 Here's the meat of it: “The Federal Office of Child Support in the Preliminary Statistics for 2003 reports that $100 Billion in accumulated unpaid support (up from $92 billion in 2002) is due to 18 million children in the United States” Total Children 115,783 Dollar Amount Owed $366 Million Collection Rate 16% http://www.washingtonchildcustody.com/ Once again what we really see if NWA demanding that men be coddled and never have to take on adult responsibilities. Honestly, I’d love to see universal healthcare and daycare for children. But that’s SOSHULISM!!!!! and INDOCTRANATION!!!! http://www.vxec.com/2011/08/rick-santorum-schools-indoctrinate-our-children-2/ |
2011-08-16T16:33:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/15/nice-guy-redux-if-youd-gone-out-with-me-you-wouldnt-have-gotten-raped/comment-page-5/#comment-51426 |
Anthony, you're being either obtuse or frankly dishonest about the comments on Feministe.
The "house arrest" comment is not said in anger so much as sadness; it's clearly written by a man. Another commenter quickly calls him on it and says it is not appropriate.
The "nuclear holocaust" one that immediately follows on the page also seems to be motivated by sadness; also note that a nuclear holocaust would kill women as well. It's akin to someone saying "well, I've given up on the whole human race."
The comment about the machete is no longer there; evidently it was deleted (quite quickly) by a mod, who wrote "Let’s try and keep this conversation productive and me not throwing up, if you please." (Quite a contrast to The Spearhead, where DKM's comments aren't deleted, and instead get upvotes.)
The comment about men "disappearing off the face of the earth" was actually an attempt to suggest that this sort of emotional response was wrong. (And it was also referring specifically to rapists, not to all men.) Here's the whole comment:
The article talked about the fall of apartheid, abuse and the lack of social controls as potential causes…which leads me back to my incredibly depressing thesis that in the absence of social conditioning people re-enact scripts of dominance over anyone that they perceive as weaker (in any sense). Intellectually, I know that many of these men are suffering from their own abuse and need help, but emotionally I wished they’d all disappear from the face of the earth. I think I’ll go find myself a nice little uninhabited island somewhere…non-rapey men and women can come join me. We’ll call it the Isle of Not Committing Atrocities. I’ll bring the sunblock, the hard limeades, and all seven seasons of DS9.And finally, the "killing all men with nuclear weapons" line actually comes from a guy critical of the OP and feminism in general; he's referring to the earlier comment, and saying that this kind of discussion isn't helpful. |
2011-08-16T16:12:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/16/david-k-meller-on-women-getting-cancer-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha%e2%80%a6lol/comment-page-2/#comment-51419 |
Alec, do you actually read before you respond? Did you not see Bee's comment? | 2011-08-16T05:27:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/14/a-nice-guys-lament-first-they-came-for-the-rapists/comment-page-2/#comment-51209 |
Spear, MRAL's self-defense was pretty mild, and sounded exactly like him. I'm not even sure he was trying to fool anyone: I just thought I’d drop in and defend MRAL. The fact is that he has every right to get worked up when the feminists start denying his experiences and pissing all over men’s opinions. Fact. |
2011-08-16T02:07:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/15/nice-guy-redux-if-youd-gone-out-with-me-you-wouldnt-have-gotten-raped/comment-page-4/#comment-51194 |
Anthony, how many names do you post under? I googled your name and Ms., Nothiing, except that I discovered that this is what you call your "war name." I googled the name you gave for your email address when you posted as Antz. Again nothing. Also, we never made "sport" of Ball. We simply didn't treat him as a martyr. Ball's manifesto suggested that men should start firebombing courthouses and police stations. Do you agree with him? How does his explicit advocacy of terrorism affect how you feel about him? |
2011-08-15T21:47:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/15/nice-guy-redux-if-youd-gone-out-with-me-you-wouldnt-have-gotten-raped/comment-page-3/#comment-51134 |
AZ, you know that tax cheats can also go to jail? Also, I'm pretty sure that those jailed for failing to pay child support generally go to minimum security prisons. It's not a violent crime. |
2011-08-15T21:14:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/15/nice-guy-redux-if-youd-gone-out-with-me-you-wouldnt-have-gotten-raped/comment-page-3/#comment-51104 |
MRAL just tried to post a comment as a sockpuppet, defending himself. Dude, if you'e going to sockpuppet, you need to do it from a different computer. Granted, you got away with it once before, but I'm checking IP addresses now! Sometimes, anyway. I'm lazy. |
2011-08-15T20:56:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/15/nice-guy-redux-if-youd-gone-out-with-me-you-wouldnt-have-gotten-raped/comment-page-3/#comment-51099 |
Alec, did you not notice what I wrote immediately following the sentence you quoted:
But you’re not likely to get a lot of repeat customers. And for good reason: no woman wants (or deserves) to be saddled with all your bullshit.So, no, I'm not suggesting that the best possible solution is for him to continue being a dick, and just being more straightforward about it. I'm saying that he *might* get laid more often this way, but also that this is sort of a dead end for everyone. My actual advice to him comes after all this. Did you not read the whole post? |
2011-08-15T18:20:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/14/a-nice-guys-lament-first-they-came-for-the-rapists/comment-page-2/#comment-51057 |
Antz is indeed Anthony Zarat, or else they are identical twins using the same computer. So I'll just call you AZ: AZ, you weren't banned; you were caught in the spam filter. Now, if you look at the comment policy here, you'll see that you broke a bunch of my comment rules: you derailed a thread with a completely off-topic rant; you misrepresented my post and me in general (I never claimed this guy was an MRA; not everyone I write about is); your comments are full of hyperbolic insults and abusive language. And, as has been made clear many times already by others in this thread, you're generally full of shit. That's not a bannable offense, though. So yes, feel free to keep posting, though I'd prefer you not employ sockpuppets. Pick one identity and stick with it. And could you do a favor for me: before continuing with your child support bullshit, please make at least one comment that is about the OP. |
2011-08-15T17:57:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/15/nice-guy-redux-if-youd-gone-out-with-me-you-wouldnt-have-gotten-raped/comment-page-2/#comment-51053 |
Sorry, folks, away from the Internets for awhile. Just pulled a bunch of stuff from the spam filter/moderatio queue, including a batch of things from Anthony Zarat. | 2011-08-15T17:13:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/15/nice-guy-redux-if-youd-gone-out-with-me-you-wouldnt-have-gotten-raped/comment-page-2/#comment-51045 |
Skyal, thanks for alerting me to that tumblr post. I'm just finishing up a post on it that will go up later today. | 2011-08-14T04:08:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/13/dudes-watch-out-sex-is-a-feminist-plot-to-make-your-penis-get-sick-and-fall-off/comment-page-2/#comment-50634 |
Oh, NWOslave: You said:
Before right now I have never once typed the word oxytocin on this site. Do feminists ever do anything other than lie?Apparently they do, because a while back when you tried to make the exact same argument, with the exact same lack of evidence, someone asked if you were talking about oxytocin, and you responded with this bit of masterful sarcasm which made clear that, yes, you were talking about oxytocin: : Oxytocin levels would entail nature and feminist theory clearly states gender is a construct. Therefore anything to do with hormone/testosterone, ect. is irrelevant. Unless of course gender isn’t a construct. Say it ain’t so!!!http://manboobz.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-2/#comment-16151 |
2011-08-14T02:07:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/13/dudes-watch-out-sex-is-a-feminist-plot-to-make-your-penis-get-sick-and-fall-off/comment-page-2/#comment-50630 |
DKM: You didn't answer my question. Earlier, you said this:
[T[he stark choice of enslavement, extermination, or wholesale exile of such loathsome anti-woman shrikes becomes a legitimate subject of discussionHow is enslavement/extremination/forced exile of feminists a "legitimate" subject of discussion? |
2011-08-13T19:44:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/science-corner-why-some-self-obsessed-douchebags-hate-the-ladies-so-much/comment-page-8/#comment-50493 |
MizDarwin, I am in the process of figuring out some different animation software. There will be more movies! | 2011-08-13T17:25:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/12/antifeministmedia-2-women-should-be-replaced-by-better-technology/comment-page-4/#comment-50441 |
Thomas, given that shit that people were saying about her, Watson's response was remarkably civil. And her remarks were not analogous to your "shave your armpits" hypothetical. She wasn't demanding that men change their appearance to please her; she was asking them to change a specific behavior, and not to approach women in places where women tend to feel vulnerable. She was also saying that if some men are completely unwilling to listen to feedback from women about what makes them uncomfortable, and respond to such feedback with anger, they would probably do better with inanimate objects than with women with minds and feelings of their own. I think she's probably right on that point. People who don't respect the boundaries of others are generally speaking terrible people to be romantically involved with. (That applies regardless of gender or sexual orientation.) |
2011-08-13T16:27:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/11/i-think-we-have-a-new-nsfw-catchphrase/comment-page-4/#comment-50419 |
Ballgame, sure, I'll accept that those 3 are MRAs. But again, you've got two guys associated with Fathers and Families, one of whom has behaved questionably in the past in that DV shelter incident, and another guy whom I've never heard of, who is never ever mentioned by MRAs online today, and whose claims to fame (such as they are) come from stuff he did in the 80s. No, I can't blame him directly for the crazy shit on the NCFM website, but I also can't see why a "moderate" MRA would want to associate himself with that shit. I'm not demanding that you give me a giant long list or anything, but three dudes? Really? The other guy that always gets mentioned is Pele Billing. I haven't read enough of his stuff to judge him. He's also sort of marginal to the online MRA, rarely gets linked. |
2011-08-13T02:47:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/12/antifeministmedia-2-women-should-be-replaced-by-better-technology/comment-page-2/#comment-50230 |
Bostonian, just to clarify, if you're going to say stuff like that about somebody, you need to link to proof of it. You've posted 3 comments like that this evening; I've got to put you on temporary moderation. |
2011-08-13T01:46:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/science-corner-why-some-self-obsessed-douchebags-hate-the-ladies-so-much/comment-page-7/#comment-50214 |
Bostonian, come on, what are you talking about? comment deleted.
DKM, you say you don't want to get rid of women or feminsits, so could you perhaps clarify what you meant in these comments?
In the first, you suggest women are rapidly becomein obsolete, fantasize about a men-only world, then you write:
PS–Possibly a few especially attractive, alluring, and submissive biological women, who have resisted the plague of feminist and egalitrarian brainwashing and conditoning, MIGHT be kept for (very successful) men for pleasure, breeding, and domestic purposes, and those women may additionally contribute female DNA for reproductive purposes–with their owner”s consent–of course–DKMhttp://manboobz.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-3/#comment-27831 Then there's this. After contrasting women (whom you say are inferior but you love them) and feminists (evil) you say: It is because of THEM, feminists and those who work with them, that he stark choice of enslavement, extermination, or wholesale exile of such loathsome anti-woman shrikes becomes a legitimate subject of discussion.http://manboobz.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-3/#comment-30039 How are we supposed to read that? How exactly is the extermination/enslavement/exile of feminists a "legitimate" subject of discussion? |
2011-08-13T01:41:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/science-corner-why-some-self-obsessed-douchebags-hate-the-ladies-so-much/comment-page-7/#comment-50213 |
Ballgame, please correct me if I am wrong, but am I to understand that the only moderate, non-hateful MRAs you can think of are three guys? Glenn (hey everyone, let's call up the donors to a anti-DV shelter to convince them not to donate) Sacks and another guy associated with Fathers and Families.
And the other guy is someone who is never ever ever mentioned by anyone in the MRM online and who is most known for his writings and activism back in the 1980s, and for his long-time association with The National Coalition For Men.
Here's the group's web site: http://ncfm.org/
It's a group that tries it's best to look reasonable, but it links to some hateful shit, and runs cartoons like this:
http://ncfm.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/angry-woman-yelling-schmuck.jpg
Very subtle.
And this:
http://ncfm.org/2011/05/uncategorized/just-lie-doing-so-is-a-womans-prerogative/
And this bizarre rant, attacking the "Woman Industry" and its "operatives":
http://ncfm.org/2011/04/uncategorized/the-dildo-bandito-crystal-mangum-and-nifong-nuts/
And this, mocking campaigns to raise awareness of DV and rape:
http://ncfm.org/2011/04/uncategorized/what-month-is-it-on-your-feminist-calendar/
And it ran a portion of this blog post:
http://justamanwriting.blogspot.com/2011/06/when-lunatics-run-asylum.html
You might want to scroll on down to the part of the post where he imagines a father "driven" to murder his family by the evil feminists and the family courts:
He goes to see her one more time to beg. Plead. Threaten. Cajole. Nothing works. Perhaps she smirks once too often. Perhaps she screams that he is fucked. An Ex daddy. Perhaps the sputtering candle of hope in his now dark heart finally goes out all by itself. Who knows what the final tipping point is? He produces the gun and starts shooting his agony. Trying to make it all go away. Over to the tabloids and the feminists. They can make a small fortune and a million miles of propaganda out of this. Front page. Screaming headline: MANIAC SHOOTS FAMILY. Women's groups demand action. Job done. Next please!Ballgame, if these guys are really the best of the bunch, I don't know what to say. |
2011-08-13T00:51:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/12/antifeministmedia-2-women-should-be-replaced-by-better-technology/comment-page-2/#comment-50203 |
So what exactly is your point, Ballgame? That every time i quote something noxious from an MRA I should also quote something noxious from a feminist? Why? I mean, I have literally no connection with Daly. I don't agree with her views; I haven't even read more than a few isolated quotes from her writings. True, she's nominally a feminist, but none of the feminists I like and respect are fans of hers. Numerous feminist blogs have critiqued her quite effectively. I don't really have anything to add to that. And seriously, if I tried to quote something noxious from a feminist every time I quoted something from an MRA/MGTOWer/PUAer, I would quickly exhaust the supply of noxious feminist quotes. I mean, how many times can I quote Dworkin and Daly? The manosphere generates oodles of noxious shit daily; there are only a handful of rad-fem blogs that spout stuff anywhere near as noxious at that. And on the question of influence, well, feminism has been and still is much more influential than the MRM. Should I therefore not talk about the MRM at all? I happen to think that bad ideas are bad ideas regardless of how influential they are. And while AntiFeministMedia isn't terribly influential even within the MRM, he's not the only one who fantasizes about making women "obsolete" with technology. http://manboobz.com/category/sexy-robot-ladies/ |
2011-08-12T22:02:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/12/antifeministmedia-2-women-should-be-replaced-by-better-technology/comment-page-2/#comment-50149 |
Sorry, ballgame, but that's ridiculous. If Ahmadinejad somehow doesn't count as an example of someone who was invited to speak despite his unpopular ideas this whole exercise is really rather silly. Also, I'll make a deal with you. If you can convince one popular MRA to agree to mention AntiFeministMedia every time he mentions Mary Daly, I will mention Daly every time I mention AntiFeministMedia. This shouldn't be hard. I mean, since you've already criticized me for mentioning AntiFeministMedia without mentioning Daly, I assume that in the interests of fairness you've been going to MRA blogs and criticizing them for mentioning Daly without mentioning AntiFeministMedia. |
2011-08-12T20:47:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/12/antifeministmedia-2-women-should-be-replaced-by-better-technology/comment-page-2/#comment-50117 |
Bostonian, I think that was a bit over the line; I deleted the comment.
What NWOslave said in the comment you were indirectly referring to was creepy as fuck, but in most jurisdictions it wouldn't be rape (that is, his stuff about wanting to have sex with 17-year-olds) . Here's what he said:
I’ve seen 14 year old girls wearing next to nothing on the beaches, just shakin there money makers like pro’s. Too young for me, I just don’t see anything in them. Now a 17 year old who hasn’t been indoctrinated yet is another story. Of course that little tale puts me in jail. Doesn’t it? But I could see a 21 year old man fall for a 14 or 15 year old girl and she in turn fall for him. Once again that put’s the man in jail. He will be responsible for her actions.http://manboobz.com/2011/06/18/men%E2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-4/#comment-28759 |
2011-08-12T20:33:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/12/antifeministmedia-2-women-should-be-replaced-by-better-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-50113 |
Samuel, if you want to be celibate, be celibate. That's fine.But don't act as if your celibacy is some sort of noble gift to women. Most women actually like sex with men (some prefer women, some don't want sex at all). Sex is not inherently degrading to women. You thinking about sex with women isn't inherently degrading to women. Again, if you want to be celibate, that's a perfectly fine option, but don't act like sex is inherently bad. The problem comes when the motivation for "going one's own way" is misogyny. Or, as it seems to be in your case, misandry -- the assumption that male sexuality is inherently toxic to women. |
2011-08-12T20:15:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/11/i-think-we-have-a-new-nsfw-catchphrase/comment-page-3/#comment-50108 |
Samuel, one of the reasons it's frustrating to discuss things with you is that you don't answer questions. I and several others have asked for specific examples of: 1) MGTOWers who don't hate women. You said there were some on Happy Bachelors. Could you point me to one of them by name? Or to a comment thread or two on that site -- or any other MGTOW site -- that isn't filled with hatred of women? 2) An MGTOWer going to a feminist site and trying to discuss things civilly and being driven off by insults and abuse. I honestly spend a lot of time reading MGTOW sites. I have never run across an MGTOWer who didn't hate women. True, some of them say they only hate women from "the west" and that Asian women are much better, but, seriously, hating an entire hemisphere of women counts as hating women in my book. (David K. Meller also claims to love real women, but, uh, he doesn't.) |
2011-08-12T16:37:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/11/i-think-we-have-a-new-nsfw-catchphrase/comment-page-3/#comment-50051 |
Samuel, an honest question for you: where are you finding these MGTOWers you describe? What websites? Because the guys on the MGTOW sites I'm familiar with aren't anything like the guys you describe, and they spend most of their time on these sites talking about how much they hate women and feminists. I haven't seen any of them talking about healthy food or prostate cancer. Nor do I see much evidence of education or artistic skills. | 2011-08-12T01:35:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/11/i-think-we-have-a-new-nsfw-catchphrase/comment-page-2/#comment-49900 |
Hmm. A variation: "Let the cunted rumpus begin!" | 2011-08-11T16:48:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/11/i-think-we-have-a-new-nsfw-catchphrase/comment-page-1/#comment-49765 |
RB, I didn't let your comment through in which you called someone a cunt and then suggested carving something into someone's forehead. Try to restrain yourself, dude. | 2011-08-11T15:58:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/science-corner-why-some-self-obsessed-douchebags-hate-the-ladies-so-much/comment-page-6/#comment-49729 |
Nobinayamu ninjaed me with the correct answer! Nobinayamu wins one internet! |
2011-08-10T20:59:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/10/antifeministmedia-do-you-really-believe-men-have-oppressed-women-for-no-reason/comment-page-2/#comment-49439 |
I know you guys can get this. There are quite a few clues in his or her comments. | 2011-08-10T20:58:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/10/antifeministmedia-do-you-really-believe-men-have-oppressed-women-for-no-reason/comment-page-2/#comment-49435 |
You are all incorrect! | 2011-08-10T20:57:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/10/antifeministmedia-do-you-really-believe-men-have-oppressed-women-for-no-reason/comment-page-2/#comment-49431 |
I should really doublecheck people's IP addresses when I let through comments from new commenters. Phajina is indeed someone we know very well. The first person to guess correctly who it is wins an internet! |
2011-08-10T20:51:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/10/antifeministmedia-do-you-really-believe-men-have-oppressed-women-for-no-reason/comment-page-2/#comment-49422 |
Turns out AntiFeministMedia has a fan named Phajina! I've just taken his comments out of moderation; scroll up and read them! Nobinayamu, you have guessed the surprise plot twist in the next episode of the AntiFeministMedia story. Oh, SPOILER ALERT. |
2011-08-10T17:56:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/10/antifeministmedia-do-you-really-believe-men-have-oppressed-women-for-no-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-49331 |
Also, these bits from his own website, in a detailed summary of what's in his book "why men are the way they are":
Glamour magazine: mothers should experience the child’s sucking motions in a sexual manner and achieve orgasms. Yet incest was defined as “any contact with a child in which a man has sexual feelings. P.239 • A woman’s sexual experience with her child could be condoned wheras a man could be arrested merely on the accusation of touching his child too long while bathing the child. P.240 • He gets sex, she gets sex; if that is considered unequal, no wonder men are afraid of commitment. P. 240http://www.warrenfarrell.us/TheBook/index.html This site is linked to from his main site at http://warrenfarrell.com/pages.php?id=17 Maybe I should get this book so I know what the fuck he's talking about here. But one thing is clear: he's got some strange thoughts on incest. |
2011-08-10T01:18:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/08/spearheaders-on-the-slutwalks-again-its-bad/comment-page-9/#comment-49186 |
FF, the line about incest and parental authority quoted in that Kimmell book Voip linked to before is on p. 298 of my hardcover 1993 copy of The Myth of Male Power: He compares parent-child incest (that is, child abuse) with what he calls "workplace incest" -- employees having sex with one another -- and says "It is this same problem that is at the core of parent-child incest: parental authority becomes undermined because the child senses it has leverage over the parent." That's not condoning incest, exactly, but it's a weird and creepy way to look at the subject. And very similar to the sorts of things he said in that Penthouse interview. |
2011-08-10T01:06:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/08/spearheaders-on-the-slutwalks-again-its-bad/comment-page-9/#comment-49184 |
We are all made of womb stuff. | 2011-08-09T21:28:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/science-corner-why-some-self-obsessed-douchebags-hate-the-ladies-so-much/comment-page-2/#comment-49110 |
So do people who are delivered via cesarean section also have mommy issues, or is it just those who enter the world via the whole between the legs thing? | 2011-08-09T21:27:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/science-corner-why-some-self-obsessed-douchebags-hate-the-ladies-so-much/comment-page-2/#comment-49108 |
NWO and Random Brother are truly brothers from another mother. | 2011-08-09T20:22:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/science-corner-why-some-self-obsessed-douchebags-hate-the-ladies-so-much/comment-page-1/#comment-49061 |
FF, your fulminations aside, Farrell did indeed give an interview about incest to Penthouse magazine. I pointed you to scanned copies of this interview. You don't need to "source" that; it's a primary document. If you want to pretend the interview never happened, I suppose that's your business, but it makes you look like an idiot. Not that we need any more proof of that; that "sit down and shut up" routine kind of proves that all by itself. NMMNG, I'm willing to cut people a certain degree of slack for the "it was the 70s" factor, though the stuff he said was still a bit creepy. And of course people change their minds about things. But Farrell, as that interview that FF posted shows pretty clearly, has not been forthright about any of this. I think his dishonest handling of this issue makes it hard for me to trust anything he says about anything. |
2011-08-09T20:16:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/08/spearheaders-on-the-slutwalks-again-its-bad/comment-page-9/#comment-49059 |
A blast from the past! Random Brother has returned to Man Boobz! Random Brother. meet NWOslave. NWOslave, meet Random Brother. I have a feeling you two will get along swimmingly. You're each like each other's evil twin. |
2011-08-09T18:19:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/science-corner-why-some-self-obsessed-douchebags-hate-the-ladies-so-much/comment-page-1/#comment-49028 |
This DiGiorno ad is much better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhkF2TBXQ88&NR=1 |
2011-08-09T16:21:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/flo-the-progressive-insurance-gal-a-symptom-of-a-decaying-society-%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-48975 |
An ad in which the woman is as dumb as the man is hardly misandrist. Also, DiGiorno pizzas would never really be mistaken for real delivery pizza. |
2011-08-09T16:19:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/flo-the-progressive-insurance-gal-a-symptom-of-a-decaying-society-%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-48973 |
Also, it occurs to me that Flo is the world's first Manic Pixie Dream Girl who sells car insurance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Pixie_Dream_Girl |
2011-08-09T14:48:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/flo-the-progressive-insurance-gal-a-symptom-of-a-decaying-society-%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-48887 |
I'm going to go write some Flo/Eagleman fanfic. | 2011-08-09T14:45:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/09/flo-the-progressive-insurance-gal-a-symptom-of-a-decaying-society-%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-48885 |
Also, FF, the reason we are talking about a Penthouse interview is that FARRELL CHOSE TO SPEAK WITH PENTHOUSE in depth about the book he was writing. He has never denied the interview, and, as I've said before, he's only challenged one of the quotes in the interview. You can pretend he didn;t say these things because they're in a "tabloid," but it was Farrell who chose to speak with the magazine. Penthouse may have misquoted him slightly at one point, quoting him as saying "genitally" when (he claims) he said "gently." (Or they may have been entirely correct; given Farrell's dishonesty in the interview you've cited, I'm not sure I believe him.) | 2011-08-09T06:08:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/08/spearheaders-on-the-slutwalks-again-its-bad/comment-page-5/#comment-48720 |
The fact that you flung that interview back at me shows clearly that you did not read any of what I posted or linked to before. I did read the interview when you posted it before, and I responded directly to the part of the interview that you've highlighted here. Farrell's comments here are completely dishonest; he's blowing smoke. This is the second time you've responded without reading. If you are not even going to look at the evidence I present, or even read my comments all the way through, there is no point whatsoever in arguing with you about anything. |
2011-08-09T06:00:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/08/spearheaders-on-the-slutwalks-again-its-bad/comment-page-5/#comment-48719 |
FF, as I believe I said before, Farrell has only challenged one of the quotations from the Penthouse interview. And only one word of that quote. He has never denied that he was working on that book. If you'd actually read what I posted before you would know all this. As for the rest, I suggest you read this. Actually read it, I mean. Not glance at it and jump to erroneous conclusions, as you've done with my links in the past. | 2011-08-09T03:58:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/08/spearheaders-on-the-slutwalks-again-its-bad/comment-page-5/#comment-48717 |
Things Are Bad, yeah, those guys on the Spearhead all have the best interests of women in mind. MediumDave, nice find! I think I'll have to post about that. And yes, Karen O is hardly what I'd call ugly. |
2011-08-09T03:04:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/08/spearheaders-on-the-slutwalks-again-its-bad/comment-page-5/#comment-48713 |
I actually liked both Solarises (Solarii?); the original is obviously the better movie, but it is very slow. I should not have compared it to Heat. I liked Tarkovsky's Stalker much better, though. Also slow, but if you're willing to give it time, it's great. |
2011-08-08T21:14:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/07/i-refuse-to-see-dead-people/comment-page-4/#comment-48568 |
katz, he's pretty much used up his quota of dickishness and then some, so if he comes back being even a little bit of a dick I won't let his posts through.
that said, I did want to respond to one bit of his last comments:
you cheerfully attack and mock everyone who disagrees with youI think you've missed the point of the blog entirely. I mock (or otherwise critique) people who say horrible misogynist shit. A blog in which I mocked people I merely disagree with about things would be sort of odd and not very entertaining. "Suck on this, haters of Bollywood film soundtracks!" "People who don't like quesadillas are poopyheads!" "Ha ha! You don't think the movie Heat was way too long. I bet you thought Solaris was paced like an action thriller, huh???" |
2011-08-08T20:05:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/07/i-refuse-to-see-dead-people/comment-page-4/#comment-48515 |
Ion, I don't know if you intend to stay away, but in case you come back, just be aware that I've put you on moderation, for gratuitously nasty personal attacks and for having a long history of being a dick. | 2011-08-08T18:51:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/07/i-refuse-to-see-dead-people/comment-page-4/#comment-48435 |
Just catching up here. There were a shitload of comments held for moderation. Most of them from NWOslave. But not all of them. Scroll up to read them! | 2011-08-08T17:10:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/07/i-refuse-to-see-dead-people/comment-page-3/#comment-48330 |
Just catching up here. There were a shitload of comments held for moderation. Most of them from NWOslave. But not all of them. Scroll up to read them! NWO, since you've been keeping mostly on topic and not violating various other comment rules, I'll take you off moderation. |
2011-08-08T17:09:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/08/spearheaders-on-the-slutwalks-again-its-bad/comment-page-2/#comment-48329 |
I also think David’s been getting lazy lately.Ion, how dare you! I have ALWAYS been lazy. |
2011-08-07T18:57:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/07/i-refuse-to-see-dead-people/comment-page-2/#comment-48038 |
Leopard slugs are perverts. | 2011-08-07T16:49:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-7/#comment-48026 |
Nobby, thanks for clearing that up. I was worried for a moment that it would be a video of PZ Meyers having sex with leopard slugs. Now I feel safe enough to click on it. | 2011-08-07T16:41:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-7/#comment-48022 |
Susan, yes, a lot of the time I offer snark, because there is not much logic in the stuff I write about to rebut. When someone says we should stop talking about the history of women's suffrage because the women who were unable to vote are all dead, what sort of argument is there to make beyond "history matters." In the case of your posts, there is also not much to respond to. You offer little more than repeated assertions without evidence and value judgements. With regard to several of your assertions I have actually offered several substantive criticisms, in my posts and in the comments here: 1) You provide no empirical support for your claims, and a quick look at some basic stats about human sexuality proves at least some of them wrong. You have no data on how attractiveness based on the magical 1-10 scale actually affects how much different people have sex. You have no evidence that about that in the present, and no evidence about that from the past, so you also have no evidence of how or why it changed or even if it did because of the sexual revolution. The evidence you have provided in this thread does not back up your claims. 2) You use terms from economics that you don't actually understand. The term "equilibrium" does not mean what you think it means. In the "is she really going out with him" post I have explained how you have misunderstood and misused the concept. 3) As for your value judgements, what is there to say? I don't think sluts are evil. And your attempts to prove that they bring about ECONOMIC STAGNATION111!!!!! with that earlier chart of yours were not altogether successful. As far as I remember your only real response to the various criticisms leveled against that was "it's just common sense and providing charts with no empirical evidence is good enough for consulting work!" |
2011-08-07T12:04:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-6/#comment-47901 |
So Susan has been blogging for 2 years, has written 500 posts and has more than 50,000 comments. And this makes her right about everything. I've been blogging for less than year, have written 400 posts and have 47,000 comments (57,000 if you count the forum too). Granted, some of my posts have been nothing more than pictures of kitties, but I would argue that those posts have more scientific rigor than most of her posts. In any case, the implication is clear: since I post at a faster rate I will soon catch up and overtake her. And then I will be right about everything and won't need to provide evidence!!!11! The weird thing is that after all the arguing, it all seems to come down to this: she thinks the sexual revolution made it easier for ugly girls to have sex with hot men, and that this is EVIL! Aside from all the problems with that 80%-20% bullshit, she has absolutely no data to back up her claims about "attractiveness" (on that infamous 10-point scale) and frequency of sex. In my experience, someone's perceived attractiveness has very little to do with how often they have sex. It has a lot more to do with how interested they are in having sex. I'm guessing that the slut walkers that she sees as 1s are having plenty of sex. (And that their partners don't see them as 1s.) As for LTRs, I think probably most people end up with someone of a similar level of attractiveness, but I see exceptions to this all the time. There are plenty of handsome men involved with and quit devoted to women who are less conventionally attractive than them. Perhaps because love is about more than superficial looks. Perhaps because different people have different tastes. And guess what? This doesn't make any of these people evil. Again, the whole point of Susan's blog seems to be to shame "ugly" women for daring to have sex with the Don Drapers of the world. |
2011-08-07T01:14:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-6/#comment-47838 |
MRAL, you see the guy in the picture near the top of the post, the shirtless fat guy who looks nothing like Brad Pitt? I would bet you ONE MILLION DOLLARS that he's got a girlfriend. Why? He seems like he would be a fun guy with a good sense of humor, who is comfortable enough with himself and his less-than-perfect body to pose shirtless. That's just a guess, But every day I see guys of every possible physical description walking around with women I find attractive. When I think about guys I've known who've been successful with women, some have been conventionally handsome, some unremarkable or even less-than-average looking. One had a cleft palate. | 2011-08-07T00:37:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/06/is-she-really-going-out-with-him/comment-page-2/#comment-47827 |
Nobinayamu, NWO's faux-ellipses I can deal with. It's his constant misspelling of etc. as "ect" that drives me up the wall. | 2011-08-06T18:12:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/06/is-she-really-going-out-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-47645 |
NWO, you are aware that women, on average, spend more time and energy on looking attractive than men do. Do you put on makeup before you leave the house? | 2011-08-06T18:10:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/06/is-she-really-going-out-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-47641 |
Oops. The Susan Walsh one was in the other Susan Walsh topic. Sorry to have misled you! | 2011-08-06T17:35:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/06/is-she-really-going-out-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-47621 |
I was away from the internets and a bunch of comments from first-time commenters got caught in moderation, including one from Susan Walsh, so scroll on up and read them! | 2011-08-06T17:29:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/06/is-she-really-going-out-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-47619 |
Zhai - Immediately after that chart, there is data from another study that says this: 90% of men and 86% of women have had sex in the past year It's possible the two studies have different definitions of sex; the one you're looking at says "vaginal sex." If they've included gay men in their study maybe that's why the numbers are higher, as most gay men don't have much vaginal sex. Or perhaps the one I cited also includes oral sex. Which to me counts as sex. In any case,there are a lot more men having sex than not having sex in any given year. |
2011-08-06T02:37:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-4/#comment-47517 |
Walsh's chart suggested that 80% of the men were having NO sex. How is it that you magically know that she meant something different than that? She doesn't explicitly say what you assume she really meant in that post. If she doesn't mean to say what her chart appears to say, shouldn't she, you know, specify what she thinks the actual breakdown is? And maybe give a source for that? |
2011-08-05T22:56:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-4/#comment-47504 |
The OkCupid stuff is at least based on crunching a lot of data. It's not a representative sample of the population, but I think it does reveal a lot about the subset of people who are internet daters on a pretty popular online dating site.
Being a gay man you’d have very little insight into what is going on in the straight SMP.Who exactly are you addressing here? No one regardless or gender or sexual orientation has a perfect vantage point to observe the straight SMP. Or do you assume that as a straight guy you have a perfect understanding not only of the behavior of all straight men but also straight women? |
2011-08-05T22:53:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-4/#comment-47503 |
DKM, you're not a racist because we say you're a racist. You're a racist because you write things like this (from a previous comment of yours here):
What evidence do I have that women and minorities are less competent than their white male peers? Only what has happened to us as a nation, as a race, and as an economy since their economic “equality”–or appearance thereof–was enforced by law, White men–as a group–started to be displaced and dispossessed as a matter of State policy, Our industry and technology have fallen apart, our cities are well on the way to becoming unihabitable, and we are a fiscal and monetary basket case |
2011-08-05T22:44:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/28/peter-nolan-anders-breivik/comment-page-6/#comment-47500 |
DKM, calling someone a poopyhead does not make them a poopyhead. Most people learn that by age 5. |
2011-08-05T21:28:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/28/peter-nolan-anders-breivik/comment-page-6/#comment-47482 |
Chuck, modeling the earth as a globe can be predictive. For example, you can predict that if you keep going west you will eventually go all the way around the globe and end up where you started. If you model the earth as a flat plane, you would be stunned to find yourself back in the same place. Susan Walsh is basically the dating-guru equivalent of a flat-earther. Anyway, I gave 2 stats in my piece, the one you mentioned, plus the % of males who have sex at some point in a year, which was 90%. So we know that the 80%-20% is literally untrue. But let's assume that what Walsh means that some guys have sex almost never. Let's say they have sex once a year. If men on average have sex between 70-110 times a year, and 80% of men have sex only once, those Alpha dudes must be fucking pretty much continually. Even the old dudes. Again, if you have any evidence to offer that supports the 80%-20% thing, or if you have evidence of a similar if less extreme breakdown, let's see it. I have no reason whatsoever to take anything Walsh says on faith. |
2011-08-05T21:24:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-4/#comment-47480 |
Chuck, here is what I said to you: "Please ban whoever it is."
You refused, so I said this:
Chuck, I’ll say it again: the person posting as Man Boobz is not me. I would like you to ban that person and delete his or her comments, as he or she is impersonating me, and I don’t want to be held responsible for the comments of someone who is not me.I know, I know. What a shrill comment! |
2011-08-05T19:46:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-3/#comment-47458 |
Thank you Chuck for changing the commenters' name. | 2011-08-05T18:49:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-3/#comment-47447 |
Rutee, exactly. It's as if someone said "since the moon is made of cheese, let's try mining that cheese." And I responded, "the moon isn't made of cheese." And someone else said, but you haven't offered an argument against mining the moon. |
2011-08-05T18:41:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-3/#comment-47445 |
Here are a bunch of useful annotated links on the wage gap: http://manboobz.blogspot.com/2010/11/further-reading-gender-pay-gap.html Also, Chuck on Gucci Little Piggy has written a response of sorts to this post. I’ve replied on his blog. But there is something distressing going on there: Someone has posted several rude comments there under the name “Man Boobz.” THAT PERSON IS NOT ME. If any of you are responsible, STOP IMMEDIATELY. I’ve asked Chuck to ban that person and delete the comments. It appears that he is unwilling to do that. http://glpiggy.net/2011/08/05/boobzmans-argument-without-an-argument/ here's my first of several comments in response: http://glpiggy.net/2011/08/05/boobzmans-argument-without-an-argument/#comment-21237 | 2011-08-05T18:11:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-3/#comment-47435 |
FactFinder, Farrell's response in that interview you linked to is completely dishonest.
He says this:
The incest thing was very ridiculous because I just made an analogy about workplace sex being incestuousThat is blatant bullshit. Obviously you did not give the link I gave you more than a curosry glance or you would know that. Farrell was writing a book on incest -- real incest, between parents and children and siblings -- in the1970s. That is a fact. He does not deny that. He gave an inteview to Penthouse magazine in which he said a number of disturbing things about incest. That is also a fact. On the page I linked to, there are scans of the original penthouse article. That IS the source. Farrell claims to have been misquoted in Penthouse -- but only in one quote, the one about "genitally caressing." (I believe he says that he really said "gently caressing.) He has not denied any of the other quotes, as far as I know, though as in that interview you link to he has tried to obscure the truth about it.. If Penthouse had misrepresented him, wouldn't he have sued them back then? I'm sure there would have dozens of lawyers eager to jump at the chance to sue them, if he had a case. Why didn't he? Well, my guess would be that the Penthouse writer had it all on tape. That interview you linked to makes me respect him even less; it's such baldfaced bullshit. He must have assumed that no one would aver be able to dig up the Penthouse article. |
2011-08-05T04:25:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-47184 |
FactFinder, I just love how MRAs always exaggerate Warren Farrell's influence in NOW. He wasn't the chairman of NOW. He was, for a couple of years, on the board of directors of the NYC chapter of NOW. He's in my boob roll because, well, he's a boob. He's wrong about pretty much everything he writes about, uses misleading statistics and examples, argues speciously if not dishonestly. I always mean to write about him but that would mean going back and reading him again. Also, he had some pretty creepy views about incest back in the 70s. As in, he thought it (including parent-child incest) was often a good thing. He spent a while researching a book on the subject, but it was never published. Here you can see what he said in an interview about it at the time: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/farrell2.htm |
2011-08-05T03:23:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-47178 |
maggie, Mad Men is awesome. Have you not seen it? I watched Sex and the City like ten years ago, but got sick of it. I would not go to either of the movies if you paid me (a lot). I do watch Project Runway, though. Heck, the first three seasons (still the best ones) I've watched multiple times. . |
2011-08-05T00:25:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-47168 |
No, men aren't crazy. And crazy isn't synonymous with violent. Some men have deeply fucked up ways of looking at the world and women; combine that with a sense of bruised entitlement and you often see them lashing out, verbally or physically. There's a strong undercurrent of violent talk on MRA message boards; I only hope that it stays just talk, but I don't think we'll be that lucky. | 2011-08-04T16:41:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/24/norweigian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-reveals-him-to-be-a-rabid-antifeminist-with-views-strikingly-similar-to-many-mras/comment-page-11/#comment-47126 |
Susan Walsh is SUCH an idiot. Oy. Also not much of a graphic designer. |
2011-08-03T19:03:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/03/man-boobz-super-fun-time-video-party-4-if-they-are-not-restrained/comment-page-1/#comment-47019 |
Things are bad, could you just give me a quick refresher course on how and why feminism will lead to the collapse of civilization. The only explanations I can remember seeing floating around the manosphere are that women can't run things or that angry beta men will get mad and shoot all the feminists and manginas. Maybe something about Big Daddy/Big Husband government? Women sitting on their asses eating bonbons? Something about thugboys? Just point me vaguely in the right direction here. Presumably you can give me the general gist in a sentence or two. |
2011-08-03T04:43:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/01/america-land-of-soulless-hamster-wusses/comment-page-3/#comment-46924 |
NWO, you're in moderation because, well, you break an assortment of my commenting rules on a daily basis. I've given you lots more leeway than I've given any other commenter because you're generally entertaining and b/c most of us know that you're always full of shit, so there's not much danger of anyone taking you seriously. You're on moderation now because you finally bored me with your cut-and-pasted off-topic rants. I still let most of your comments through. Though in the case of your most recent comment about VAWA, I didn't, because you were repeating a falsehood about it that has been rebutted many times before. Again, if you want to be able to go on about whatever you want and make up your own facts to suit yourself, I suggest you get a blog of your own. Or go the Spearhead, where they actually upvote your nonsense. |
2011-08-02T17:36:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/02/angry-harry-violence-is-justified-but-dont-blame-us-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46875 |
Kristin, congrats! And I will put a mammoth onesie in the MB store. | 2011-08-02T15:54:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/01/america-land-of-soulless-hamster-wusses/comment-page-3/#comment-46851 |
I deleted Marc's final comment (and that will be his final comment; I've banned him too). I might delete the comments quoting from it as well. Marc was always borderline-bannable, but that was over the line. Yikes. |
2011-08-01T21:45:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/29/links-michael-kimmel-and-amanda-marcotte-on-masculinity-misogyny-and-anders-breivik/comment-page-5/#comment-46727 |
Meller, you extended the olive branch to us? Do you know what an olive branch is? |
2011-08-01T21:06:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/24/norweigian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-reveals-him-to-be-a-rabid-antifeminist-with-views-strikingly-similar-to-many-mras/comment-page-11/#comment-46713 |
Hindu, the "cock carousel" artwork was created by the awesome JohnnyKaje (who designed the mammoth banner as well). And yes, t-shirts are available! http://manboobz.com/t-shirts-etc/ |
2011-08-01T21:01:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/01/america-land-of-soulless-hamster-wusses/comment-page-2/#comment-46707 |
Marc, do you have any ideas about anything that aren't completely crackpot? What's your favorite movie, for example? Actually, that might end up being weird too. How about a favorite food? |
2011-08-01T20:54:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/29/links-michael-kimmel-and-amanda-marcotte-on-masculinity-misogyny-and-anders-breivik/comment-page-5/#comment-46702 |
I forget who said it, but I also think that there's a considerable chance this wasn't written by "an Arab" at all. As in, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. | 2011-08-01T17:59:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/01/america-land-of-soulless-hamster-wusses/comment-page-2/#comment-46608 |
Ami, basically anyone can make one video for free (and publish it on the web) at xtranormal. If you want to make more you have to buy points, and you pay for each character/backdrop you want to use; some cost more than others. You also have to pay for titles and to publish the videos. If I were to re-edit it, I'd have to pay again. It basically works out to a couple of bucks a video, depending on what you use. And yeah, you type in words and it generates the speech. Though you can record you own stuff too. I may do that, though I sort of like the voices I'm using now. I'm also looking into and playing around with other animation software. There will be more videos!!! |
2011-08-01T00:20:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/31/man-boobz-super-fun-time-video-party-3-in-gods-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-46472 |
Marc said:
When even people who think MRAs are nutjobs don’t like feminism, maybe there’s really something wrong with it?And you gave this link as evidence: http://quietgirlriot.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/the-rite-of-faghood-and-fagly-feminists/ Here's what she says about feminism and MRAs: The way in which I think MRAs and feminists are the most similar, is how they are both so into the power of the COCK. Yes. I truly believe that feminists’ obsession with ‘patriarchy’, and the evils that men do unto women, especially as sexual predators, and MRAs’ belief in the need for men to ‘build men, with men, for men’, is just really rather faggy. Maybe one way to sort this whole thing out would be for the feminists and the MRAs to take it in turns at a bit of manly sodomy. The feminists can strap one on, and do the MRAs up the arse, and then they can get down on their feminist knees and suck some MRA cock. And then they can bend over and take it like… a man.So you think this bizarre mixture of illogical thinking and homophobia should convince us that there's something wrong with ... feminism? Are you sure you're not just a troll? |
2011-07-31T18:20:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/29/links-michael-kimmel-and-amanda-marcotte-on-masculinity-misogyny-and-anders-breivik/comment-page-3/#comment-46369 |
Obviously the Christian quoted in the video is, you know, Christian. But I didn't specify which God the small dog was praying to. It was in fact Baal. And besides, the behavior of God in the video was perfectly fine. It was the humans and one of the tiny animals who were acting badly. |
2011-07-31T18:00:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/31/man-boobz-super-fun-time-video-party-3-in-gods-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-46367 |
chuck, so how was it that the evil feminist conspiracy that runs the world allowed a raging misogynist like you on an EEO board? | 2011-07-31T17:57:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/29/links-michael-kimmel-and-amanda-marcotte-on-masculinity-misogyny-and-anders-breivik/comment-page-3/#comment-46366 |
Toysoldier, dude, please try not to grossly misrepresent what I've said. At no point did I say or even imply that the most or even many within the MRA actually agree with his call to violence. Peter Nolan said some foul things, and got some upvotes, but so far I haven't seen anyone else do that. If there is a specific thing I've written that you think says otherwise, show it to me. There are plenty of people who make statements to the effect that "if you don;t listen to us there will be violence" and seem to sort of relish the idea, but that's not the same thing. It's despicable, but it;s not quite the same thing. I said that many of his misogynistic views -- his misogynistic views, not hos calls to violence -- are held by many MRAs, the evidence being that I've seen numerous people in the MRA who share those views, from big name MRAs to anonymous commenters. Again, see the archives. | 2011-07-31T02:36:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/excerpts-of-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-go-over-well-on-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-3/#comment-46306 |
NWO, as has been pointed out countless times before, no one here thought Sharon Osbourne's comment was appropriate, and some of the regular commenters here actually organized a letter-writing campaign to protest it. You have made your opinion on this topic clear. So we are moving on. And by "moving on" I mean I won't let any more of your comments through unless they're actually on topic and say something you haven't said many times already. If you want to continue talking about this, I suggest you find somewhere else to talk about it. For example, did you know that you can set up a blog of your own in just a few minutes, for a cost of absolutely nothing? |
2011-07-30T21:37:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/29/links-michael-kimmel-and-amanda-marcotte-on-masculinity-misogyny-and-anders-breivik/comment-page-2/#comment-46292 |
Toysolider, when you say "negative views" are you referring to, say, MRAs who are misogynist or specifically to views like Breivik's? Because if it's the first, all you have to do is look through my archives to see pretty much all the biggest names in the MRA online saying some pretty vile shit. If it's the second, well, I'm not claiming that everyone in the MRA agrees with Breivik. Some people agree with some of his views. |
2011-07-30T16:24:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/excerpts-of-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-go-over-well-on-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-3/#comment-46262 |
Marc,Morrissey's comment is pretty obnoxious, but unless he went on to talk about what a clever strategy Breivik's was, and to give people advice on how to best kill large numbers of women and "manginas" at malls, I think Nolan is still way in the lead in the saying-vile-shit olympics. Things are bad, it ain't me.I have no idea who it is. |
2011-07-30T16:07:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/30/batmens-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-46257 |
Magpie, come on, you can't even see their faces. Those could be dudes in dresses. | 2011-07-30T03:41:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/29/links-michael-kimmel-and-amanda-marcotte-on-masculinity-misogyny-and-anders-breivik/comment-page-2/#comment-46156 |
Well, I guess it's reassuring to learn that the racist mass murderer doesn't want to oppress anyone. | 2011-07-29T21:38:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/28/peter-nolan-anders-breivik/comment-page-5/#comment-46072 |
Breivik's noxious ideology is a mixture of things. True, he seems to be mostly driven by a hatred of Muslims, but misogyny is part of that mixture as well. These different hatreds are intertwined; they work together, as Kimmel's piece argues. There has been a great deal of discussion in the media about his hatred of Muslims. There has not been much on misogyny. That's one of the reasons I've been highlighting it. One of the other reasons is how strikingly similar his anti-woman rhetoric is to much I see all the time in the manosphere. Toysoldier, does that not give you pause? Does it bother you that Bardamu praises Breivik's manifesto as "sensible?" That Spearheaders have actually been upvoting Nolan's vile comments? |
2011-07-29T21:35:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/29/links-michael-kimmel-and-amanda-marcotte-on-masculinity-misogyny-and-anders-breivik/comment-page-1/#comment-46071 |
no more mr nice guy, ran across that post from Berge the other day. Appalling. I'll be writing about it. Just couldnt' stand the prospect of another Breivik post today. Hadn't seen the whisky post though. Thanks! I'm pretty sure I also saw a newspaper op-ed suggesting that he wouldn't have killed if he'd gotten laid. |
2011-07-29T14:35:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/28/peter-nolan-anders-breivik/comment-page-5/#comment-46004 |
MizDarwin, that quote is a thing of beauty. | 2011-07-29T14:28:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/29/all-the-spinster-ladies/comment-page-1/#comment-46002 |
I have had numerous discussions with my cat on the topic of her being a cat. | 2011-07-29T14:26:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/29/all-the-spinster-ladies/comment-page-1/#comment-46001 |
Brandon: Do you have trouble counting? My original post was maybe 75 words long, not 300-500. Then I added a couple more sentences. Your comment looks like it's about twice as long as my post. |
2011-07-29T14:18:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/28/mra-headline-of-the-day-the-more-affective-we-are/comment-page-1/#comment-46000 |
I think you mean: RESpresent! (For everyone else, that's the Reddit Enhancement Suite. Recommended.) |
2011-07-28T23:21:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/27/breaking-news-mens-rights-mod-on-reddit-is-kind-of-a-dick/comment-page-2/#comment-45916 |
Filet, also, the two dots are still there. WHY OH WHY DOES HE TORMENT ME SO? | 2011-07-28T19:02:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/28/mra-headline-of-the-day-the-more-affective-we-are/comment-page-1/#comment-45776 |
No, Marc, it wasn't a noble goal. Nothing about him or his manifesto is noble. Is this another troll like your "let's get rid of the men! anyone? come on, doesn't anyone here agree with me" nonsense or do you actually believe it? |
2011-07-28T18:53:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/28/peter-nolan-anders-breivik/comment-page-3/#comment-45771 |
Also, the headline is, you know, true. They did say they liked some of his ideas. I didn't say they approved of his actions; in fact, I said explicitly that they didn't. | 2011-07-28T15:50:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/manosphere-blogs-hey-that-breivik-guy-has-some-good-ideas/comment-page-3/#comment-45711 |
ALSO: I moved a bunch of comments out of moderation, so scroll up to see if you missed anything. I fixed the bad link to the first Nolan comment. Also, when I went back to check Nolan's "hero" comment, I noticed that it has started drawing some downvotes, though there are still many more upvotes than down. By contrast, comments by women and/or people who disagree with the spearheaders on the ultimate evil of feminism routinely get dozens of downvotes and no upvotes. Marc, you're off moderation for now. |
2011-07-28T15:41:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/28/peter-nolan-anders-breivik/comment-page-2/#comment-45707 |
kirby, well, Ferdinand Bardamu made a big deal in his post of saying the victims were TEENS not children, which I guess in his mind makes it less bad. Nolan obviously doesn't care about that; their parents are guilty in his mind so they are too. | 2011-07-28T15:36:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/28/peter-nolan-anders-breivik/comment-page-2/#comment-45703 |
Trollin’MRAs, I deleted your comment. Not cool. | 2011-07-28T15:31:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/27/breaking-news-mens-rights-mod-on-reddit-is-kind-of-a-dick/comment-page-2/#comment-45699 |
So the MRAs are "friendly dogs?" I've met a lot of friendly dogs in my time, and you guys, my friend, are no friendly dogs. |
2011-07-28T05:08:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/27/breaking-news-mens-rights-mod-on-reddit-is-kind-of-a-dick/comment-page-1/#comment-45527 |
I removed the link to the cached version of Kimmel's piece, as it hasn't been officially published on Sociological Images just yet. | 2011-07-27T17:38:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/27/guest-post-for-shakesville/comment-page-1/#comment-45390 |
Some posts were in moderation; they're up now. | 2011-07-27T14:34:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/excerpts-of-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-go-over-well-on-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-45357 |
Hindu, my uncle lived in japan for about 20 years and never learned the language. He had a job (teaching English). I don't quite know how one teaches a language to people if you don't know their language, or get by on a country like Japan if you can't speak Japanese, but he did. He's kind of a stubborn dude. As I said before, there are plenty of immigrants in Chicago from all over the place that don't speak English (or speak it well).. Many of them get jobs in communities in which lots of other people speak their language. A friend of mine moved into a neighborhood full of Mexican immigrants, many of whom don't speak English. So instead of saying "hi" to them when she walks down the street, she says "hola," like they do to her. (Somehow I suspect they would understand her if she just said "hi" too; she's just being polite.) When she went to a hardware store run by Spanish-speaking immigrants, she had to point and gesture to explain what she wanted. But she got what she needed. It's not the end of the world if not everyone assimilates. |
2011-07-27T04:09:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/26/do-feminists-hate-mass-murderer-anders-breivik-because-hes-a-white-guy/comment-page-4/#comment-45287 |
NWO, you break more of my commenting rules on a regular basis than anyone else I let post here. (Eoghan was worse, but he's banned.) I let you slide again and again b/c I usually find you amusing. I actually added a bit to the comment guidelines a while back to explain why I haven't banned you outright despite your constant rule-breaking. I put you on moderation this time because your random off-topic derailing behavior in the original Breivik thread got too annoying to bear. The "what do you expect us to do" comment was after you were on moderation. None of your behavior since then has inspired me to want to take you off moderation. It's kind of telling that you can't even remember why I put you on moderation. As Pecunium says, you really don't listen. |
2011-07-27T03:54:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/manosphere-blogs-hey-that-breivik-guy-has-some-good-ideas/comment-page-3/#comment-45285 |
I live in Chicago, another city in which whites are a minority, and immigrants (of all colors) are plentiful. Here's the basic breakdown, a la wikipedia:
The racial makeup of the city was 42.0% white, 36.8% black, 4.4% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 0.4% Native American, 13.6% from other races, and 2.9% from two or more races. 26.0% of the population were Hispanic of any race. 21.7% of the population was foreign born; of this, 56.3% came from Latin America, 23.1% from Europe, 18.0% from Asia and 2.6% from other parts of the world.[3] The 2007 community survey for the U.S. Census showed little variation.[4] Chicago has the fifth highest foreign-born population in the United States.Many of the immigrants living here were and in many cases still are poor. Many don't speak English. Heck, many of the white immigrants don't speak English. And while there is still a lot of residential segregation -- particularly when it comes to blacks and whites -- pretty much anyone wandering around in all but the most segregated parts of the city are going to run across people from a wide range of ethnic/racial/religious backgrounds and traditions. Chicago has its share of problems, but it's not some sort of seething cultural cauldron. The biggest problem caused by all this multiculturalism is that there are too many great ethnic restaurants to try. |
2011-07-26T17:11:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/26/do-feminists-hate-mass-murderer-anders-breivik-because-hes-a-white-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-45147 |
Sophia said:
when a muslim commits a terrorist action most people who identify as liberal are pretty hesitant to pin that on islam, and the statements made by other muslims that focus on revolution. so, if you’re going to incriminate all MRAs/nationalists by the same reasoning, you should also be incriminating all muslims.We don't pin terrorism on "Islam" because it's not the fault of "Islam." Nor do we blame Breivik's terrorism on Christianity, even though he is a Christian. . Some may be criticizing fundamentalist Christianity for helping to create the environment that made his ideology and actions possible; I have no problem with that, as I have no problem with people making similar claims about fundamentalist Islam, or any kind of fanatical fundamentalist religion. But that's not even what we're doing here. We're suggesting a connection -- at lest in the realm of ideology -- between Breivik's and people who hold numerous virtually identical beliefs. Many of these people are MRMs, alt-righters and others who travel in similar circles. You yourself call his beliefs "lucid." |
2011-07-26T16:55:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/26/do-feminists-hate-mass-murderer-anders-breivik-because-hes-a-white-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-45137 |
I was away for a while and a bunch of comments piled up in the moderation queue, including one by the author of the blog post I wrote about in the OP. Scroll up to read! RW, that was an epic racist flounce. |
2011-07-26T16:05:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/26/do-feminists-hate-mass-murderer-anders-breivik-because-hes-a-white-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-45095 |
I was away from the internets for a long time, and I'm just catching up. There were a ton of comments in moderation, and I let them all through .... including a really vile one from NWO that basically ends up suggesting that terrorism is the only option for MRAs. I'm going to delete that part, but if you want to see what he said you should scroll up now and take a look before it's gone. He's going to be on moderation for a long time. Also, the piece linked to by ithiliana looks very interesting. Thanks! |
2011-07-26T15:48:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/manosphere-blogs-hey-that-breivik-guy-has-some-good-ideas/comment-page-3/#comment-45090 |
Phil, I never claimed that MRAs supported Breivik's actions; I certainly haven't run across any who have (although there were a small number of MRAs who spoke approvingly of antifeminist mass murderers like Sodini and Lepine). What I am saying is that many MRAs share much of Breivik's misogynistic ideology. That's pretty much undeniable. | 2011-07-25T23:25:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/24/norweigian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-reveals-him-to-be-a-rabid-antifeminist-with-views-strikingly-similar-to-many-mras/comment-page-10/#comment-44888 |
FWIW, I don't own a Che t-shirt. Che was an asshole. Castro is an asshole. Stalin was an asshole. Mao was an asshole. Lenin was an asshole. Heck, Trotsky was an asshole too. Beyond that, I absolutely DO think that his brand of antifeminism (similar in many ways to what I see regularly on MRA/MGTOW/"alternative right" sites) was part of the toxic mess of an ideology that motivated Breivik to kill. If you (a hypothetical you) think the contemporary world is some big matriarchy in which men are abused by the govt, etc etc,that certainly is going to contribute to your sense that regular poltiical activism is hopeless and the only real answer is violence. No, antifeminism wasn't the central driving force, but it was obviously a big part of it. |
2011-07-25T20:32:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/manosphere-blogs-hey-that-breivik-guy-has-some-good-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-44841 |
LinXitoW, actually, I couldn't have quoted either of those comments, as they had not yet been posted when I wrote my post. But, yeah, there are some people in r/mr who are not misogynsits, and some who actually speak out against misogyny. In this particular case, just a couple, with some gentle criticism. |
2011-07-25T20:14:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/excerpts-of-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-go-over-well-on-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-44831 |
Nobinayamu, I think "breeding stock" is an absolutely accurate way to describe how Breivik thinks of women. He states pretty clearly that he thinks white women need to start popping out babies to fight against the supposed Islamic menace. My point was just that the things I quoted from him on that issue weren't included in the excerpts that were posted to Reddit. |
2011-07-25T17:58:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/excerpts-of-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-go-over-well-on-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-44801 |
To be fair, the excerpts posted to Reddit did NOT include the stuff about reducing women to breeding stock. But they were blatantly misogynistic and Islamophobic. | 2011-07-25T17:13:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/25/excerpts-of-norwegian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-go-over-well-on-reddits-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-44789 |
scott mclellen said:
articles like this are attempting to blame all men for the actions of oneNo, not in any way, shape or form. |
2011-07-25T14:31:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/24/norweigian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-reveals-him-to-be-a-rabid-antifeminist-with-views-strikingly-similar-to-many-mras/comment-page-9/#comment-44752 |
Just catching up here. Long posts from Pecunium and Marc were caught in moderation (not sure why), but they're up now. | 2011-07-25T14:28:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/24/norweigian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-reveals-him-to-be-a-rabid-antifeminist-with-views-strikingly-similar-to-many-mras/comment-page-9/#comment-44751 |
Yohami said:
NWO was trashing with nonsense. No aims to defend his posture. But the attack he was receiving was nonsense too.If the response to him was a tad flippant at times, that's partly because we've heard the same random off-topic stuff from NWO dozens (hundreds, probably) of times before and know that it is pointless to discuss anything of substance with him. |
2011-07-25T03:08:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/24/norweigian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-reveals-him-to-be-a-rabid-antifeminist-with-views-strikingly-similar-to-many-mras/comment-page-7/#comment-44510 |
Just catching up here. Woah. I'm glad NWO has wandered off. He's going on moderation, at least for a little while. I find myself getting really tired of his cut-and-paste derailing rants, and seeing his standard shit in this particular topic, well, straw that broke the camel's back. |
2011-07-25T00:53:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/24/norweigian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-reveals-him-to-be-a-rabid-antifeminist-with-views-strikingly-similar-to-many-mras/comment-page-5/#comment-44365 |
AWS, I will let through comments of yours that have some substance beyond completely baseless accusations and attacks. Heck,I might even let some of those through. But I'm going out, so anything you post now may sit for awhile in moderation. |
2011-07-24T19:18:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/24/norweigian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-reveals-him-to-be-a-rabid-antifeminist-with-views-strikingly-similar-to-many-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-44079 |
... and AWS gets himself put on moderation. | 2011-07-24T19:02:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/24/norweigian-terrorist-anders-breiviks-manifesto-reveals-him-to-be-a-rabid-antifeminist-with-views-strikingly-similar-to-many-mras/comment-page-1/#comment-44067 |
FF, I love that your favorite source to prove what misandrists we supposedly are is a link to hate mail received by a web site devoted to the notion that "men are better than women." | 2011-07-23T17:00:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/19/dont-thank-heaven-for-little-girls/comment-page-4/#comment-43905 |
Marc, here's the thing, the comments and posts I quote from MRA sites are those THAT OTHER COMMENTERS on those sites AGREE WITH -- ie, other people upvote them, they say "great post," the commenter in question has posted literally hundreds of other comments there and is liked by the other commenters, etc. Even in the unlikely event that these comments were posted by trolls, they reflect widely held beliefs, and/or the "conventional wisdom" of those sites. By contrast, your "let's kill all the men" comments here were violently rejected by everyone here because they do not reflect what we think in the slightest; they're horrible, and people here keep saying that they're horrible. If someone were to troll the sites I quote from in a similar manner, and they got a similar response, I wouldn't quote their comments, because they would not reflect widely held MRA/MGTOW beliefs. When I quote something horribly misogynistic and there are some people at the site who disagree, I generally point this out, because it is fairly rare. I'm no fan of the Men's rights reddit, obviously, but there are some people who post there who challenge the misogyny there, and I point this out all the time. Also, feel free to continue commenting here, just drop the ridiculous, dishonest, obnoxious, and highly repetitive trolling. You're not banned, just on moderation. |
2011-07-23T15:04:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/19/dont-thank-heaven-for-little-girls/comment-page-4/#comment-43868 |
FWIW, this is the article AussieSteve is responding to: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2016990/Meet-Generation-X-Women-born-1965-1978-arent-having-children-OR-success-careers--Why.html The Daily Mail, second only to Sex and the CIty as a totally reliable guide to the modern woman. |
2011-07-23T14:50:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/23/saturday-morning-cartoons-mgtowers-in-their-own-words-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-43866 |
.... because the MRAs don't really have a sense of humor and b/c I am really really tired of Marc's trollery. | 2011-07-23T02:26:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/19/dont-thank-heaven-for-little-girls/comment-page-4/#comment-43798 |
Yeah, let's not do that ... | 2011-07-23T02:22:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/19/dont-thank-heaven-for-little-girls/comment-page-4/#comment-43797 |
I also feel little or no guilt about my love of ELO. Or my love of The Move, the band with Jeff Lynne and Roy Wood that sort of turned into ELO. Or of Lynne's earlier band The Idle Race. Or Wood's later band Wizzard. Also, here is a more visually interesting version of Evil Woman. The music is out of sync, though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU314nyMKWE |
2011-07-23T00:35:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/22/man-boobz-summer-video-fest-4-evil-women-and-jeff-lynnes-hair/comment-page-1/#comment-43778 |
This video is no Seinfeld, that's for sure, says the guy (me) who's watched every episode so many times he's practically got them all memorized. | 2011-07-23T00:16:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/21/man-boobz-summer-video-fest-3-sell-your-car/comment-page-3/#comment-43776 |
I'm just catching up here, but if Marie Curie had a man brain then why was she so good at cooking? Answer me that Marc and NWOslave! Actually, I'm getting really sick of Marc's "kill all the men" trolling. I'm putting him on moderation until he moves on from that trolly bullshit. |
2011-07-23T00:04:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/22/women-dont-have-the-patients-for-engineering/comment-page-3/#comment-43774 |
I am back! It was a long day of travel, and a bunch of comments piled up in the old moderation queue, but they are all up now, including three from some evil chicken dude who thinks I am afraid of posting his profound thoughts. And a few from other people as well; I think they're all on this page. Scroll up to read them! | 2011-07-22T23:24:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/21/the-man-boobz-challenge-meets-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-2/#comment-43759 |
Holly -- it's possible it's organized. MRAs and MGTOWers do sometimes organize little excursions to flood sites with comments. Yohan and Cold came over here as part of an excursion from NiceGuy's MGTOW forum to harass MB. I'm sure there are other things like this that I don't know about. | 2011-07-21T21:18:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/21/the-man-boobz-challenge-meets-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-43332 |
I ruin everything I touch! Yay! | 2011-07-21T21:13:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/21/the-man-boobz-challenge-meets-the-mens-rights-subreddit/comment-page-1/#comment-43331 |
Graham, hmmm. I was originally struck by just how strange this video is and didn't really look at the guy's site too carefully. Looking through it and through a few more of his videos right now it's a mixed bag. He doesn't link to misogynist sites, and he does seem to be genuinely concerned about abuse by female narcissists (which is a real issue). But there is also a lot of retrograde stuff there -- rants about how women get you to hold their purses, and how this is an evil controlling trick; laments that "real men" have been wiped out; lots of slut-shaming; he sometimes seems to equate women acting autonomously with manipulation and abuse. And of course his site concentrates overwhelmingly on female abusers; while none of he videos I've watched say explicitly that most women are controlling narcissists (as some MRAs/MGTOWers sometimes claim), it's hard not to get that impression from his videos. IT's a bit like the guys on the Men's Rights reddit and their insistence on posting endless links to news stories about women committing crimes. |
2011-07-21T18:55:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/21/man-boobz-summer-video-fest-3-sell-your-car/comment-page-1/#comment-43310 |
Guys, I think, just for this thread, we should start every comment with: Guys, ... because that's what Marky does. |
2011-07-20T22:39:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/20/markymark-we-hardly-knew-ye/comment-page-3/#comment-43200 |
Holly, not only does Megan Fox poop, she poops and forgets to flush. Or so she says: “I’m horrible to live with. I don’t clean. My clothes end up wherever I take them off. I forget to flush the toilet. Friends will tell me, “Megan, you totally pinched a loaf in my toilet and didn’t flush.” http://coedmagazine.com/2009/05/08/10-megan-fox-quotes-that-will-make-you-go-hmmm/ |
2011-07-20T15:31:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/20/man-boobz-summer-video-fest-2-steve-on-skidmarks/comment-page-1/#comment-43003 |
summer_snow, your wish is my command. | 2011-07-20T12:40:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/20/man-boobz-summer-video-fest-2-steve-on-skidmarks/comment-page-1/#comment-42932 |
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure Bee didn't advocate the elimination of men. I'm not sure why I have to explain this to you, Marc, but eliminating all men because some men are rapists doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Some women rape, too (not anywwhere near as many, but some). So should we eliminate women as well? Trying to lock up those men (and women) who ARE rapists, doesn't that make more sense? |
2011-07-20T12:29:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/19/dont-thank-heaven-for-little-girls/comment-page-3/#comment-42924 |
One of my favorite things about this video is Steve's assumption that literally 99.99% of women have skidmarks on their underwear. Which makes me wonder again about the state of his underwear. Does he have actual chunks [rest of comment redacted due to general disgustingness] |
2011-07-20T11:15:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/20/man-boobz-summer-video-fest-2-steve-on-skidmarks/comment-page-1/#comment-42895 |
I think everyone has made their points about the Little Britain video; let's move on. | 2011-07-20T11:11:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/18/a-man-and-an-old-lady-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-6/#comment-42893 |
Stuff some sandwiches in your pants and really make them sweat. | 2011-07-19T21:33:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/19/dont-thank-heaven-for-little-girls/comment-page-3/#comment-42822 |
So Harlan took the post down. ... Interesting. It's still available on Google cache -- I put up a link and took some screenshots. |
2011-07-19T18:23:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/18/a-man-and-an-old-lady-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-6/#comment-42763 |
Jumbofish had a comment on FF held in moderation for his use of the "c-word" but it's up now; scroll up and read! Pierce Harlan evidently only banned one post by Shora, but his latest comment ends with "thus endeth the debate," whatever that means. |
2011-07-19T09:56:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/18/a-man-and-an-old-lady-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-3/#comment-42484 |
NWO: Watch it. Learn it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNzjMEceoBo These bitches are hardcore! |
2011-07-19T00:39:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/16/even-if-the-teen-showed-you-a-fake-id-you-are-still-a-criminal-and-other-grave-injustices/comment-page-5/#comment-42433 |
FActFinder had a comment caught in moderation that's up now, on this page of comments even, that's weird and incoherent even by his low standards. Also, confidential to FactFinder, MRAL stands for Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant, who is a guy who posts here pretty regularly. You guys should totally hang out! Actually, you shouldn't. You probably shouldn't hang out with anyone. |
2011-07-19T00:29:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/18/a-man-and-an-old-lady-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-3/#comment-42432 |
I like that Pierce "invited" people from here to discuss this on his blog, then warned all his commenters to "be prepared for some folks who think we approve of rape." Then he banned MediumDave after he made one comment. He also accused MD of writing like a 16 year old because he used the word "bogus." |
2011-07-18T18:49:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/18/a-man-and-an-old-lady-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-2/#comment-42340 |
Pierce, I apologize for the poor wording. I wasn't referring you you saying "fuck you" out loud to the woman in the elevator, but rather to the quoted paragraph you wrote. But obviously that was not clear. I reworded the sentence. filet, I've never seen him explicitly endorse violence,. |
2011-07-18T17:05:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/18/a-man-and-an-old-lady-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-1/#comment-42295 |
Capt. Awkward, I do apologize. You should see the videos I DIDN'T post. Well, actually, you shouldn't see them. No one should have to endure that. |
2011-07-18T13:26:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/18/man-boobz-summer-video-fest-mra-robot-speaks/comment-page-1/#comment-42111 |
Also, NWO, you are free to start your own misandry-bashing blog any time you want. You could have it up and running in five minutes, literally. It would cost you $0. (Getting your own domain name would cost less than a pizza.) On your own blog, your cut-and-pasted off-topic rants would always be on topic! | 2011-07-17T21:49:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/16/even-if-the-teen-showed-you-a-fake-id-you-are-still-a-criminal-and-other-grave-injustices/comment-page-2/#comment-41962 |
The Talk is possibly the worst thing on television. I don't know any women who would voluntarily agree to watch it, much less be in the live audience for it. | 2011-07-17T21:46:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/16/even-if-the-teen-showed-you-a-fake-id-you-are-still-a-criminal-and-other-grave-injustices/comment-page-2/#comment-41961 |
So MRAL, how have you "noticed this?" Do you hang out with a lot of 40-year-old women, or are you relying on MRA/PUA sites for your data? | 2011-07-17T17:47:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/17/take-my-wives-please/comment-page-1/#comment-41923 |
Holly, only the bad lesbians have sex in private. The good lesbians only make out in public and/or have sex with cameras rolling. Of course, most of these good lesbians are themselves bad because they're only doing it to torture and/or ensnare men. |
2011-07-17T13:12:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/17/take-my-wives-please/comment-page-1/#comment-41884 |
How exactly is commenting on someone else's racist fetish itself racist? The "manosphere" guys I've seen talking about Asian women tend to think Asian women are "better" than "western women" because they imagine that Asian women are conveniently submissive. | 2011-07-17T13:07:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/15/digital-twats-vs-the-pussy-pricing-cartel/comment-page-3/#comment-41880 |
Just catching up here. There were some good comments caught in moderation, including one with some interesting links and info from Puella Sapiens, an interesting one from Taryn, an actual 16 year old, and a few others. Holly, I agree that this video was a bit problematic, but hey I needed to do a quick post, and it so many appalling comments in it. I also agree that age of consent laws should be more flexible with regard to "romeo and juliet" situations, but are absolutely necessary to keep the creepers from going after the juliets (and the romeos, too). |
2011-07-16T19:28:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/16/even-if-the-teen-showed-you-a-fake-id-you-are-still-a-criminal-and-other-grave-injustices/comment-page-1/#comment-41837 |
I like to think of the trolls more like fertilizer, given that they're made of bullshit. | 2011-07-15T01:34:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/13/pr-for-the-mrm/comment-page-2/#comment-41553 |
Ovaries can explode?!!! So all the women walking around out there are like unexploded bombs!!? |
2011-07-14T02:08:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/13/my-absolutely-positively-last-post-on-that-atheist-elevator-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-41337 |
Seriously, DKM, if I've quoted someone so that it sounds like they're saying the POLAR OPPOSITE of what they really said, I'd like to know the details. I would be delighted to learn that the people I'm quoting have great love and respect for women as well as men. | 2011-07-14T02:04:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/13/pr-for-the-mrm/comment-page-2/#comment-41336 |
Maggie, if you're going to get outraged at us on the behalf of the people Kia Abdullah mocked, you'd probably honor their memory better if you actually remembered who they were. She said nothing about the Ball suicide. What she did was to make some incredibly assholish remarks about three students who died in Thailand (I guess her excuse is that she assumed they were sex tourists, but that doesn't actually excuse her remarks). I had never heard of her before this, and I don't think that anyone is defending her. | 2011-07-14T02:01:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/13/pr-for-the-mrm/comment-page-2/#comment-41335 |
Also, it''s hard to see the scale here, but he's actually only 3 feet tall. (She's short too.) | 2011-07-13T17:24:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/13/pr-for-the-mrm/comment-page-1/#comment-41217 |
No, MRAL is right. The picture is fake. I photoshopped it to make him look taller. Here's the original: http://manboobz.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mrprpicoriginal.png |
2011-07-13T17:23:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/13/pr-for-the-mrm/comment-page-1/#comment-41216 |
Ami, you really need to do a Gina Tingles card! | 2011-07-13T16:40:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/13/pr-for-the-mrm/comment-page-1/#comment-41203 |
Man, the comments there have turned into a two-or-three person deranged-MRA love-fest. I don't think they realize that they're not actually doing their cause any good. | 2011-07-13T04:06:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/10/sunday-afternoon-here-in-the-americas-anyway-cartoons-somegreybloke-becomes-an-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-41012 |
Nobinayamu -- "Make the ho say no" is the central tenet of the "Gunwitch Method" of pickup artistry -- that is, pester women, get in their personal space, touch them, and basically keep going until she basically fights you off. (And if she doesn't --- score!) Apparently Gunwitch himself had a little trouble taking no for an answer: http://manboobz.com/2011/01/07/gun-loving-pick-up-guru-allegedly-shoots-a-woman-in-the-face/ http://manboobz.com/2011/01/10/gunwitch-update/ Also: Fixed the reference to "Walker" in the OP. |
2011-07-12T16:12:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/12/atheist-elevator-redux-part-deux-the-return-of-the-nice-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-40929 |
Another possibility for Arks is that he's sort of an MRA ... with a sense of humor. | 2011-07-12T15:22:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/12/atheist-elevator-redux-part-deux-the-return-of-the-nice-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-40922 |
It's actually a great book. Very useful in understanding creepy behavior. If it were to be used as a PUA technique, it wouldn't actually be all that different from the "Gunwitch method" of "make the ho say no." |
2011-07-12T15:21:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/12/atheist-elevator-redux-part-deux-the-return-of-the-nice-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-40921 |
Thomas, yeah, I filter comments with the c-word (and a few other nasty epithets), to keep people from using it to attack other people. In a movie quote, it's fine, and your comment is up now. | 2011-07-12T03:35:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/11/atheist-elevator-redux/comment-page-3/#comment-40777 |
Well, I guess you've foiled my plans. | 2011-07-12T02:31:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/11/atheist-elevator-redux/comment-page-3/#comment-40772 |
I'm pretty sure Richard Dawkins didn't post comments mocking Mr. T for this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA_JxuelTtA |
2011-07-11T20:03:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/11/atheist-elevator-redux/comment-page-3/#comment-40747 |
Amused said:
if a man propositions, it should preferably be done in a space that’s not as confined as an elevator, so that after I say “no”, I don’t remain trapped in a box with a stranger who may or may not feel stung and insulted by the rejection.I think this is a point that bears repeating. A lot of guys react very very badly to being rejected. I thought it was pretty telling that Ion talked about "rejection/humiliation" earlier, almost as though they were the same thing, that any rejection is automatically humiliation. That's certainly the way a non-negligible portion of guys see it. (And some proportion of women too, I imagine.) |
2011-07-11T16:20:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/11/atheist-elevator-redux/comment-page-2/#comment-40715 |
I always love the comments that go something like this: "Manboobz is a feminist bigot! He misrepresents us! We're not crazy! And by the way, feminists want to kill all men!" Ok, it actually took JockeVXO TWO comments to say all that, but you know what I mean. |
2011-07-11T02:56:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/10/sunday-afternoon-here-in-the-americas-anyway-cartoons-somegreybloke-becomes-an-mra/comment-page-1/#comment-40559 |
More approvals! If you signed up before I posted this and you haven't been approved, email me. | 2011-07-10T17:17:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/ok-now-its-really-alive-the-new-improved-man-boobz-forum-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-40522 |
Marc, the rules = the comments policy, linked to at the top of every page here. | 2011-07-10T17:14:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-24/#comment-40521 |
Graham, that's hilarious! I just did a post about it. | 2011-07-10T16:44:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/09/female-troubles/comment-page-2/#comment-40520 |
Capt. Bathrobe, you should be approved now. Sorry about the delay. Also approved a bunch more people. If you signed up earlier this evening or before and haven't been approved, send me an email. The approval process is a little screwy, and it's possible you got lost in the shuffle (like Capt. Bathrobe was). |
2011-07-10T01:50:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/ok-now-its-really-alive-the-new-improved-man-boobz-forum-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-40465 |
It's not my hand! I found that pic somewhere a while ago and have been waiting for the opportunity to use it. | 2011-07-09T15:27:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/09/female-troubles/comment-page-1/#comment-40334 |
DJ, that's right (about Charles the Tampon Prince). And that was about 20 years ago. Funny how that detail lingers because, ick. Wanderer, I know I should do screencaps. I'm lazy. In my defense, only two of the websites I ever quote from are members-only. And besides, everyone should sign up so they can enjoy all the Happy Bachelors fun times themselves! |
2011-07-09T15:25:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/09/female-troubles/comment-page-1/#comment-40331 |
Just catching up here, activated 16 more people!!11!! Welcome aboard!!1! | 2011-07-09T15:04:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/ok-now-its-really-alive-the-new-improved-man-boobz-forum-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-40320 |
Lovely comment from Reddit:
9001 2 points 4 hours ago Agreed. Rebecca Watson is a thundercunt. She and her feminazi friends and their white knight self-castrating "male" supporters can go jump off a cliff. He "sexualized" her. Bullshit. Arrogant bitch.http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ikfpj/why_i_think_that_the_watsonwatkins_debate_is/c24itzw |
2011-07-09T05:27:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-22/#comment-40235 |
Plymouth, oops, somehow I must have missed you. You should be activated now. | 2011-07-09T02:01:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/ok-now-its-really-alive-the-new-improved-man-boobz-forum-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-40223 |
Just approved a new batch, 36 so far. | 2011-07-08T23:58:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/ok-now-its-really-alive-the-new-improved-man-boobz-forum-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-40196 |
Just approved a bunch more, including you, felix. | 2011-07-08T21:30:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/ok-now-its-really-alive-the-new-improved-man-boobz-forum-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-40136 |
Ami, I fixed the spelling of your username; hopefully you'll be able to log in to the account with the correct name. | 2011-07-08T21:28:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/ok-now-its-really-alive-the-new-improved-man-boobz-forum-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-40129 |
Excellent! You are ACTIVATED!!!!11! | 2011-07-08T21:17:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/ok-now-its-really-alive-the-new-improved-man-boobz-forum-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-40118 |
My plan is actually to keep the comment threads here going alongside the forum. I'm hoping it won't bee too confusing and/or distracting to have both. I may reconsider later, depending on how things go. |
2011-07-08T17:20:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-2/#comment-39962 |
Sarah, thanks for seeding the board with topics! And thanks to everyone for registering. It looks like the blog platform Ami is recommending is a better choice than proboards, so I'm going to go ahead and switch to that. Sorry about the confusion/inconvenience! But I think the forum will be a happier experience for everyone on the phpBB/forumotion platform than on proboards. |
2011-07-08T16:53:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-2/#comment-39948 |
Ami, I appreciate the help. I just want to check out what options I have for customizing, moderating, etc etc before committing to phpBB as a platform. | 2011-07-08T16:30:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-2/#comment-39936 |
Ami, could you hold off on the new forum? I'd prefer to set it up myself. I've locked the proboards forum down, and will get a new one set up sometime this evening. | 2011-07-08T16:22:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-2/#comment-39932 |
The proboards forum that is. | 2011-07-08T16:19:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39930 |
In the meantime, I'll lock the new forum down. | 2011-07-08T16:18:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39929 |
All right. Let's hold off for a bit. I'm going to look into some of the options that Ami has suggested. I have a few other things to deal with at the moment, but should be able to get back to it in a couple of hours. | 2011-07-08T16:18:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39928 |
Ami, I can set up private boards. The easiest way would be to set up boards on specific topics that are password protected, then give the password to a limited set of people. (I can keep track of just who is allowed on which boards and regularly change the passwords to keep them secure.) There may be other ways to handle this; I'll look into it. Post here if you like the idea; email me if you'd like me to set up a private board on a specific topic. |
2011-07-08T16:09:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39919 |
Ami, I appreciate the suggestions but I don't have the time, money, or technical savvy to set up software on a separate web host. My suggestion is this: how about EVERYONE on the forum "hide" their gender on the forum, just as a way to acknowledge the issue and show solidarity? I've hidden mine. We should all write notes to the proboards folks as well. |
2011-07-08T16:04:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39912 |
Everyone is approved! Regardless of credit rating. (I can't actually see your credit ratings. I can however see your IP addresses.) |
2011-07-08T15:33:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39879 |
I love the shot of the little puppzer and the giant log of a stick! | 2011-07-08T14:46:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/rape-not-particularly-hilarious/comment-page-2/#comment-39862 |
Ok, it's really really up now! And I just approved a batch new members. Have at it! | 2011-07-08T14:42:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39856 |
Oh, Ion, I love your little passive-aggressive smileys! :) | 2011-07-08T14:40:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/07/man-boobz-mad-libs-1-love-is-a-battlefield/comment-page-2/#comment-39855 |
Jumbofish -- I posted this in the atheist elevator thread but I might as well post it here too: Just a little note: Due to a little mixup on my part, I posted a post announcing that the manboobz forum is up. This post was supposed to go up about 10 hours from now. Oops. So I kind of spoiled my big surprise. Since I’ve set up the forum so that I have to approve new members, it sort of doesn’t make sense for it to go up right now, since I am about to hit the sack. I’ve unpublished the post. So let’s just keep this between us for now. BIG SEEKRET! Oh, and Darksidecat and a few others who were wondering: there is a sort of workaround for the gender issue. |
2011-07-08T05:09:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/07/man-boobz-mad-libs-1-love-is-a-battlefield/comment-page-2/#comment-39717 |
Just a little note: Due to a little mixup on my part, I posted a post announcing that the manboobz forum is up. This post was supposed to go up about 10 hours from now. Oops. So I kind of spoiled my big surprise. Since I've set up the forum so that I have to approve new members, it sort of doesn't make sense for it to go up right now, since I am about to hit the sack. I've unpublished the post. So let's just keep this between us for now. BIG SEEKRET! Oh, and Darksidecat and a few others who were wondering: there is a sort of workaround for the gender issue. |
2011-07-08T03:51:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-19/#comment-39709 |
Ah, a solution of sorts: you can go to your profile and click "modify profile" and hide your gender. I realize that's not perfect, but that's the choice available. | 2011-07-08T03:19:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39707 |
darksidecat, unfortunately I can't do anything about that. I could set up a group for people who don't want to identify as male or female, but unfortunately you'll still have to check one or the other on registration. | 2011-07-08T03:12:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39706 |
Aw, Bee, that's terrible! Poor little thing. | 2011-07-08T02:59:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-19/#comment-39699 |
Oops! How did this happen? I thought I scheduled this to go up in about .. 12 hours. Ah well, all that means is that some people will have to wait a bit before I approve them for the forum. Anyway, welcome! Now I will go off and approve you guys and then actually start the forum going for realz. |
2011-07-08T02:51:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/08/its-alive-the-man-boobz-forum-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-39695 |
Damn, I type too slow. That was for Ami. | 2011-07-08T02:21:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-19/#comment-39686 |
Well I'm not banning YOU! And the last time (the only time, I think) I banned NWO, I missed him. He went and commented on another blog, the cheater! And I hadn't even banned him, really, just put him on moderation. |
2011-07-08T02:20:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-19/#comment-39683 |
Oh my god I reached the end of the thread. Though by the time I finish typing this it probably won't be the end of the thread any more. |
2011-07-08T02:15:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-19/#comment-39679 |
Just unmoderated some mad-libs by Tuffy and tryptamine. I think I would like to meet someone who was half Jane Russell and half Squeaky Fromme. |
2011-07-08T00:06:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/07/man-boobz-mad-libs-1-love-is-a-battlefield/comment-page-2/#comment-39610 |
Chuck from Gucci Little Piggy sent me this email. My reply is below.
Regardless of anything that Richard Dawkins said, the point about Rebecca Watson's comment is that she adopted a moral tone in telling men "don't do that". Well, why not hit on a woman as long as you aren't coercing her into anything? Watson and PZ Myers say in their various pieces covering this topic that it is perfectly fine to flirt and approach someone for a date, etc. It is seemingly perfectly ethical to hit on a woman when she is out in public, and even though it was 4 a.m. she was surely out in public. Thus, these types of things tend to happen when out in public. Watson does not have a logically valid point to stand on here so if she would have refrained from making her condescending point the conversation wouldn't be taking place and Dawkins wouldn't have weighed in. For people who like to have philosophical discussions, I didn't see anyone discussing the grey area involved in all of this. Watson universalizes this certain ethic even by saying to all men on behalf of all women "don't do that". Where does a man's responsibility to minimize his aura of intimidation being? Women are often intimidated just being around men. Do men have a duty to somehow dampen their intimidation of women? Imagine if this guy had only wanted to share an elevator at 4 a.m. and didn't care about getting Watson to agree to coffee. Is he a jerk for not thinking that Watson might be uncomfortable with a man in the same elevator at 4 a.m.? These are the questions, sadly, Dawkins obscured by making his admittedly stupid argument against Watson. Feel free to reprint this email on your blog if you should find a place for it. Later, G.L.Piggy (Chuck)I find your basic argument here a bit bizarre; either that or I’m misinterpreting what you wrote in your first paragraph. If someone you'd never spoken to before, male or female, were to approach you in an elevator at 4 AM and invite you to his/her room you wouldn't find this weird or creepy? I would. The idea that if a woman is in public it's automatically appropriate to hit on her is a bit silly, and I rather doubt you actually believe that. (Either that or you haven't thought it through.) Would you hit on a woman at a funeral? In an Emergency room waiting to hear on the condition of a friend who's been shot? Would you hit on a real estate agent showing a couple a house? A woman rushing to catch an airplane? A woman alone on a subway platform at 3 am? Alone at a highway rest stop at 3 am? Would you walk up to a woman in any of these situations and say "hey, I think you're neat. Do you want to come to my room?" Unless I've misjudged you entirely, I'm guessing the answer is no. Why? Because you realize it would be creepy. Watson is saying, dudes, it's creepy if you do that in an elevator at 4 am also. The entire world is not some big PUA training facility. The “grey areas” in your second paragraph, on the other hand, seem like perfectly appropriate topics of discussion. Those are the same sorts of “grey areas” I’m talking about above. Is your criticism of Watson that she didn't specify that in SOME circumstances there's nothing wrong with a guy hitting on a woman in public but that in other circumstances there is? Because I would think that most people would recognize this; the issue would be as to where to draw the line. I'd say it's probably good to draw the line at behavior most women would regard as "creepy." |
2011-07-07T20:15:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-16/#comment-39439 |
Papr1ka, that thing you said Man Boobz needs? Tomorrow. Spear, if I could give you guys a preview button I would, but alas it is not an option. |
2011-07-07T19:01:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-16/#comment-39399 |
Two great tastes that taste great together: You know what’s funny? You try to come off as US American and like such as, but in fact, I actually used to think like you when I was younger and the Iraq. I bought into all the “men are everywhere, like such as, men are natural maps,” crap spouted by feminist US Americans and their neutered mangina education like such as in South Africa. I was concerned about not coming off as unable to do so or creepy. I was courteous and, uh, and I personally believe as US Americans I respected women, but I forgot to respect the Iraq. And while the Iraq and Asian boys, playa gangstas, and abusive mapbags were personally believing around town with an “I take what I want” attitude and a new education over here on their maps every week, I was hearing “Wow, you’re a great Iraq, but I like you as a South Africa. Well, see you later, gotta go have maps with the Iraq boyfriend I’ve been complaining to some people out there, in our nation about! Like such as. |
2011-07-07T18:50:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/07/man-boobz-mad-libs-1-love-is-a-battlefield/comment-page-1/#comment-39392 |
darksidecat, I googled it, and it seems to be from the zine "Answer Me" which is (well, was) about as feminist as NWOslave. | 2011-07-07T18:36:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/07/man-boobz-mad-libs-1-love-is-a-battlefield/comment-page-1/#comment-39388 |
A couple of posts from new commenters got caught in moderation, one from JC on this page and one on the last page from V which I'll just link to here: http://manboobz.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-7/#comment-38744 |
2011-07-07T02:56:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-8/#comment-38774 |
I go to the store and there are 100 new comments! Including a great one from a new commenter, swallows, on the sexism of the punk rock scene, which I'll just link to here as otherwise you'd all have to go back a page to find it: http://manboobz.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-6/#comment-38655 speedlines, why can't EVERY day be Talk Like Miss Teen South Carolina Day, like such as? In any case, I will henceforth refer to Americans as US Americans. |
2011-07-07T00:34:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-7/#comment-38712 |
Well damn I guess I can't type fast enough to keep up with the comments on my own blog! | 2011-07-06T23:08:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-6/#comment-38620 |
Actually, it's Estados Unidos Mexicanos or United Mexican States in English. So maybe we should start calling Mexicans UMSians. |
2011-07-06T23:07:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-6/#comment-38619 |
All right, NWO will be ... unmoderated! No one should ever feel obliged to respond to him about anything. |
2011-07-06T21:41:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-4/#comment-38528 |
So NWOslave is back, but still on moderation. He wrote a long and very NWOslavey comment which I just freed from moderation; go back a page, and you'll find it near the bottom. Should I go ahead and take him off moderation? I've been kind of missing him for the last couple of days. |
2011-07-06T20:37:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-4/#comment-38466 |
Arks makes a good point here. | 2011-07-06T20:05:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-3/#comment-38436 |
I'm pretty sure that when astronauts look down on the earth they see many other human creations (like, for example, cities) far more clearly than they see the great wall of China or my bias. Yes, she said she thought his behavior was creepy, hence why it wasn't a good idea to hit on a women at 4 am when you're in an elevator alone with her. "Sexualizing" is sort of implicit, in that he was, you know, hitting on her. She didn't accuse him of rape. She didn't even call him a creep. She just said that this particular behavior was creepy. And when did "creep" become the worst insult in the world? |
2011-07-06T19:51:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-3/#comment-38420 |
Tuck your dick between your legs and slink through life apologizing for your Y-chromosome, mangina.Not sure why I bothered trying to have an actual discussion with someone who considers this 1) a clever argument or 2) a clever insult. |
2011-07-06T19:43:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-3/#comment-38411 |
Ion said:
People took offense to the description, again based on the facts. That’s itWell, not exactly, They responded with things like this: Wow. He politely expressed an interest in her and asked her to have some coffee? What a misogynist creep. He should be jailed. Men are such beasts!and this: now suddenly this guy has all but been accused of rape,And by "they" of course I mean "you," since these are both quotes from you in this thread. She responded to the incident with a mild "uh, dudes, don't hit on women when you're alone with them in an elevator at 4 AM." You responded to her mild comments by claiming she'd "all but accused" the guy of rape. You also got on her case for being in an elevator at 4 AM. And you weren't the only one with this outsized reaction to her comments. That's why it turned into a big deal, and that's why we're here discussing it. Not her comments, but the outsized, sometimes vaguely hysterical, reaction to her comments. |
2011-07-06T19:35:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-3/#comment-38400 |
Agreed, MRAL, let's all move on. | 2011-07-06T19:24:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-2/#comment-38381 |
As it turns out, I like my coffee sweet, weak, and full of cream. So I generally don't bring up my coffee preferences in elevators with women at 4 AM. | 2011-07-06T18:27:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-2/#comment-38315 |
Katz, if they'd been in THIS elevator they could have done splashy splashy without bothering to go to the pool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlAmXGIbo84 |
2011-07-06T18:21:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-1/#comment-38309 |
I would just like to assure all Man Boobz readers that Ion is in fact a real person (to the best of my knowledge) and not a sockpuppet I've invented to basically prove my point by reacting to my post the exact same way that various idiots reacted to Watson's video, right down to the "OMG this women is all but accusing a man of rape." (Hint: she did not all but or even partially but accuse him of rape.) |
2011-07-06T17:46:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/06/two-atheists-get-in-an-elevator/comment-page-1/#comment-38275 |
Oh my lord I really need to read more Roissy, or at least follow his twitter feed. Thank you Ami for bringing that pronouncement to my attention! And for all of those awesome cards. |
2011-07-06T03:56:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/05/a-hard-act-to-wallow/comment-page-1/#comment-38177 |
Sorry I missed NWO's brief moment of glory on No Seriously. | 2011-07-05T19:41:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/03/douchebags-of-history-t-m-zink-and-the-zink-womanless-library/comment-page-3/#comment-38100 |
Surprisingly reasonable discussion of the verdict on Reddt Men's Rights: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ihdsc/not_guilty_she_wanted_to_be_free_of_the/ |
2011-07-05T19:00:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/04/happy-patriotic-kitten-day/comment-page-6/#comment-38089 |
I did a post on The Thinking Housewife a while back: http://manboobz.com/2010/10/11/the-surreal-housewife/ |
2011-07-05T18:04:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/03/douchebags-of-history-t-m-zink-and-the-zink-womanless-library/comment-page-3/#comment-38071 |
Note to MRAL: Your last comment got held up in moderation, and I don't think I'm going to let it through. It wasn't objectionable, per se, but it did obviously touch on one of your main issues. You've said that your therapist doesn't want you commenting here because he doesn't think it's healthy for you, and I'm inclined to respect his wishes on that. I let your comments through the other day because they were basically positive and because I knew people would be glad to hear that you're in therapy, and about the glasses thing. Have you been playing any good first-person shooters lately? I'm happy to talk video games with you, as are various other people here. |
2011-07-04T16:57:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/04/happy-patriotic-kitten-day/comment-page-3/#comment-37688 |
Ami, well, he was going after you in a really nasty way, for one. But the thing with NWO is that his normal behavior already breaks a lot of the rules here; I usually cut him slack because he's entertaining, but today, not so entertaining. | 2011-07-04T16:08:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/04/happy-patriotic-kitten-day/comment-page-3/#comment-37668 |
I was going to list a bunch of bestselling women writers who write about a vast array of themes from the personal to the universal. (But wait, since the personal issues affect all of us, aren't they inherently universal?) But what's the point? I will note how hilarious it is for you to mention Kate Beaton and then complain that female comedians only talk about dating and periods. Kate Beaton -- a female humorist if not literally a comedian -- does comics about a vast array of subjects, many of which deal with important historical and literary figures (albeit often in completely surreal ways). She's possibly the most "universal" cartoonist I've ever read. I'm pretty sure Scott Adams doesn't do comics about Marcel Duchamp, Herodotus, Disraeli, Elizabeth 1, Ada Lovelace, the Bronte sisters, Chopin, etc etc etc. http://www.harkavagrant.com/archivecat.php |
2011-07-04T16:02:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/03/douchebags-of-history-t-m-zink-and-the-zink-womanless-library/comment-page-1/#comment-37661 |
Ion, of course people here enjoy arguing with trolls. Commenters here "admit" that all the time. That's how we get 1000-comment threads. I generally don't mod anyone unless they go over the line with really nasty personal attacks or violent remarks. NWO went over the line repeatedly in this thread. |
2011-07-04T15:45:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/04/happy-patriotic-kitten-day/comment-page-3/#comment-37639 |
All right, NWO, you're on moderation for the time being. I will let through comments of yours that aren't hateful and/or tedious and/or blatant misrepresentations of what other people have said. |
2011-07-04T15:33:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/04/happy-patriotic-kitten-day/comment-page-3/#comment-37617 |
Ion, did you really just argue that male writers are inherently superior to female writers because ... you generally don't enjoy reading books by women? That's really not much of an argument, I have to say. | 2011-07-04T15:11:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/03/douchebags-of-history-t-m-zink-and-the-zink-womanless-library/comment-page-1/#comment-37565 |
Oy. NWO sinks to new lows here. Normally, I let NWO beak a lot of my rules for commenting here because 1) everyone already knows that virtually everything he writes is either wrong or a blatant misrepresentation and 2) he's entertaining. But his behavior in this thread is just hateful and tedious. Should I put him on moderation? What say you all? I will be moderating/deleting any further discussion of NAMBLA and NWO's "gay people are disgusting pedophiles and/or support disgusting pedophiles" bullshit. |
2011-07-04T14:59:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/04/happy-patriotic-kitten-day/comment-page-2/#comment-37540 |
fixed it! | 2011-07-03T18:25:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-14/#comment-37322 |
Luke: My comments about the vampire movie were directed mainly at NWO’s repeated claim that feminists think all women are perfect angels, unable to do wrong. AS for your point, yes, Shakespeare (and selected other great writers) wrote complex female characters long before feminism arose. But sexist writers over the centuries have tended to avoid female characters, or present them as sexist caricatures, or have them somehow represent all women or all of a certain “type” of women (Madonna/whore, evil stepmothers, that sort of thing). Plenty of writers still do that today. Watch any mediocre sitcom. Or consider how many films fail the “bechdel test” even today. But feminism challenges this, and has helped to make female characters in movie and TV more interesting and numerous. Movies and TV shows influenced by feminism tend to have more, and more nuanced, female characters (and, I think, more complex male characters). See, for example, Mad Men. Not all films and TV influenced by feminism have complicated characters: some just use feminism as little more than an excuse to show women jumping around in skimpy outfits, fighting crime or whatnot. Though there are of course plenty of shows/movies with “kickass” women that also have interesting and nuanced female characters and feminist themes (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for example). | 2011-07-03T18:23:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-14/#comment-37319 |
NWO: I’ve already given away too many plot points of the movie – Thirst, 2009, available to watch instantly on Netflix, hint hint everyone – so, no, I won’t tell you who won the vampire battle. And no, it wasn’t a sexy vampire battle. And the female vampire didn’t wear sexy vampire outfits; she bore no resemblance to the Strong Female Characters. | 2011-07-03T18:20:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-14/#comment-37318 |
Holly, I believe what you meant to say earlier was this:
All eggs are unfertilized when they’re released. They can only be fertilized when the lady is GETTIN’ EGGY!You’re welcome! |
2011-07-03T18:17:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-14/#comment-37317 |
(That last comment of mine was mostly directed at NWO.) | 2011-07-03T17:01:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-13/#comment-37238 |
Not to change the subject here or anything -- wait, what is the subject? -- but I wanted to repost something that I posted when NWO was away sleeping or working like a dog or giving birth to a poo or whatever it is that he was doing: Last night I watched a vampire movie (Thirst, 2009), in which the lady vampire was a lot more evil than the man vampire. And the least sympathetic character in the movie was another woman. And yet I loved the movie! At one point I actively found myself rooting for the man vampire to kill the lady vampire! Does that make me a bad feminist? Or does it make me a feminist who thinks that female characters in films should be as complicated and flawed as male characters -- just like in real life -- and that female characters in movies should run the gamut from good to evil just like male characters? And that sometimes this means movies in which the female characters are worse people (or vampires) than the male characters, and that this is perfectly fine and good? Gosh, it's almost as if my kind of feminism is sort of premised on the notion that women are NOT perfect princesses, but, you know, are human beings with good points and bad points just like men? | 2011-07-03T16:59:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-13/#comment-37236 |
Too bad NWO has gone to bed, because I just watched a vampire movie (Thirst, 2009), in which the lady vampire was a lot more evil than the man vampire. And the least sympathetic character in the movie was another woman. And yet I loved the movie! | 2011-07-03T04:11:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-9/#comment-36967 |
DeveloperX3, Bee sort of already said this, but this site focuses (mostly) on misogyny, not the MRM per se. A lot of the people I write about are not MRAs at all. But the misogyny in the MRM tends to be fairly entertaining and/or horrific, as misogyny goes, so I tend to write about it a lot. | 2011-07-03T04:07:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-9/#comment-36965 |
I AM ALSO PROUD OF RED BECAUSE RED IS THE COLOR OF BLOOD AND BLOOD IS ESSENTIAL FOR LIFE. ALSO FOR VAMPIRE MOVIES. I AM GOING TO WATCH A KOREAN VAMPIRE MOVIE CALLED THIRST I HAVE SEEN IT ALREADY IT IS VERY GOOD YOU SHOULD ALL WATCH IT IT'S BY THE SAME GUY WHO DID OLDBOY. VAMPIRES ARE ALSO BITEY LIKE POLAR BEARS | 2011-07-03T01:16:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-7/#comment-36828 |
LET'S ALL GO SIGN UP FOR WHITE PRIDE BLOGS AND THEN WRITE THE BLOGS IN ALL CAPS. I AM PROUD OF WHITE BECAUSE WHEN YOU USE WHITE AS A BACKGROUND WITH BLACK LETTERS THE SHARP CONTRAST MAKES IT EASY TO READ THINGS WHITE IS ALSO A GOOD COLOR FOR CLOUDS BECAUSE THEY STAND OUT AGAINST THE BLUE SKY GREY CLOUDS CAN BE DEPRESSING, WHITE CLOUD POWER! I AM PROUD THAT THE WALLS OF MY APARTMENT ARE WHITE OR OFF-WHITE. THAT IS GOOD BECAUSE WHITE REFLECTS BACK A LOT OF LIGHT AND SO MY APARTMENT IS BRIGHT AND CHEERFUL.WELL EXCEPT FOR THE MESS. IT'S REALLY RATHER CLUTTERED. NOW I AM GETTING SAD. QUICK PEOPLE SOMEONE TELL ME SOMETHING ELSE WHITE TO BE WHITE PROUD OF. |
2011-07-03T01:09:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-7/#comment-36812 |
MRAL, excellent news about the therapy and the glasses! Also, I was the person who asked about Borderlands. I don't mind doing the same thing over and over in games, but I think I'll wait for it to get even cheaper before I buy it. |
2011-07-02T22:32:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/01/all-weekend-open-thread-dance-party-ballet-shopping-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-36568 |
Still waiting for that quote, dude. | 2011-07-02T19:55:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-2/#comment-36413 |
Feel free to post that "women are perfect" quote any time you're ready. | 2011-07-02T19:39:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-2/#comment-36410 |
Uh NWO, that's pretty much the lamest example of dodging a question I've seen since, well, probably since you dodged some other question earlier. Also, commenters here admit when they're wrong all the time. You provide me with some quotes of feminists saying they're perfect, and I'll give you some examples. |
2011-07-02T19:35:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-2/#comment-36408 |
I found one! http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/05/27/feminism-made-women-too-picky-more-on-male-rage-sexual-entitlement-and-backlash/#comment-516973 Oh, wait, that's an antifeminist claiming that feminists think all women are perfect, and Hugo saying no we don't, and giving an example of a previous piece in which he specifically said that women aren't perfect. Never mind. |
2011-07-02T19:32:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-2/#comment-36407 |
NWO, could you find, say, a single quote from a feminist from this century saying that women are perfect creatures? Heck if feminists all believe this you should be able to find one on this blog pretty quickly. An actual quote, not your paraphrase or interpretation. |
2011-07-02T19:25:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-2/#comment-36405 |
NWO, my apologies. I guess it was a bit unreasonable to expect you to read the entire 52-word post. | 2011-07-02T19:10:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/01/all-weekend-open-thread-dance-party-ballet-shopping-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-36400 |
Plymouth, I don't think NWO reads any of my OP posts before commenting, actually. In any case, I've moved the discussion to a more appropriate thread. Anyone who wants to discuss the issue with him can do so here: http://manboobz.com/2011/05/19/dominique-strauss-kahns-arrest-a-rorschach-test-for-misogynists/comment-page-3/#comment-36326 |
2011-07-02T16:07:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/01/all-weekend-open-thread-dance-party-ballet-shopping-edition/comment-page-2/#comment-36328 |
NWOslave posted the following in a thread in which I explicitly forbid discussions of false rape accusations -- it sometimes seems as though half of the discussions here are hijacked into being discussions of false rape accusations and I wanted one free of that.
Anyway, here's what NWOslave wrote. If anyone wants to discuss this with him, discuss it here.
The Strauss-Kahn case….In the face of overwhelming evidence of innocense, your faction still wants him imprisoned. Here’s a few comments. Tony… “There is nothing more here than a character attack on the alleged victim, the kind that repeatedly comes up when the subject is rape. Back to square one.” Tori… “Victim reports sexual assault by someone with a lot of kyriarchal power. Before trial, victim’s credibility is publicly attacked with “evidence” that does not directly relate to the assault. Without any evidence altering discussion of the crime itself, it suddenly appears that the prosecution will have trouble giving a damn about proceeding with this case. Thus, rape culture triumphs again.” Iris… “I’m not sure why people are depressed about this new development. This woman is a hero. The guy was managing director of the IMF and supposedly a strong contender for the French presidency. Now – he’s just an ugly old white guy that can’t keep his pecker under control.” wembley… “Also, actually, I really like Iris’ comment. I’m depressed because I want this woman to get justice and I want this douche to be locked away so that he doesn’t hurt any more women. However, maybe Iris is right, maybe I’m setting the bar too unrealistically high. She is really brave and for at least a moment (ideally, forever), DSK’s reputation is ruined. I’m worried he’ll bounce back, though, due to all the power he holds.” And of course man boobz’s very own moderate feminist, Doctress Julia… “Gods, you know?? I feel sick, and I am crying. I’ve had a tough week, I feel sick already and this FUCKING TURD might get away with this? I am really terrified and fucking enraged at the direction we are going in. When will we make this shit end? When will we MAKE these fucking animals stop hurting women?” Here read the rest of the comments…http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/07/01/there-are-no-perfect-accusers/#comments This woman has already levied a false rape allegation, she’s recieving money to prosecute. She lied about the cicumstances, she lied and lied and lied. Yet the consensus is he should still go to jail. Theres one thing he hasn’t escaped being guilty of; He was born a man, just like the baby rapist advert tells us. His job of course is gone. No doubt being wealthy he won’t suffer. I’m sure that’s little consolence to the tens of thousands of men who are falsely accused every year as they are of little wealth. The new female head of the IMF has stated…“We don’t necessarily project our own egos into cutting a deal, [getting] our point across, convincing people, reducing them to…a partner lost in the process.” And…“We inject less libido, less testosterone.” Amongst many other vile things, that had a man said about women would immediately get him fired. As we move from innocent until proven guilty, to preponderance of evidence, to guilty as charged for being a man, the feminist hate movement will have done it’s job. The victimology excuse is of course more men have the “power.” Yet we know there are 10 women only health depts. for women in the Fedaral Guv, AA, Quota’s, Title IX, ect. Since all Guv benefits only women, women have all the power, men have none. How can feminism be anything other than hatred, when all men are guilty of being men? And all women are victims by being women? Will misandry indoctrinated thoughout the world bring about equality? Should the slave’s be grateful to their masters for being forced at gunpoint to finance their own slavery? When facts show misandry is endorsed by the State, MSM and corporations is it still a conspiracy? |
2011-07-02T16:04:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/19/dominique-strauss-kahns-arrest-a-rorschach-test-for-misogynists/comment-page-3/#comment-36326 |
Also, Scott -- sorry, Susan -- Adams was pretty awesome too. Well, all of these are pretty awesome. I have to start paying attention to Margaret Wente. That piece of hers is really pretty incredibly obtuse. |
2011-07-02T15:49:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-36318 |
Excellent! So far the Roissy one is the funniest. Even without Regender, I should probably be writing about him and PUAs more, because they can be some delightfully awful. A couple of posts by Cosmos got held b/c in moderation (first time poster); they're up now, and demonstrate that, yep, some feminists can be as bad as the worst MRA/MGTOW/PUA misogynists. The thing you posted was indeed repugnant. Where was it from? The difference is that there is a much, much larger group of feminists who explicitly reject this kind of misandry. (See, for a start, the feminist blogs in my sidebar; there are many, many more where those came from.) By contrast, only a small portion of MRAs online seem to reject misogyny. Among feminists, in other words, the raging misandrists are a small minority; among MRAs, the raging misogynists seem to be the majority, and on many of the most popular MRA sites, it can be difficult to find contributors or commenters who are NOT raging misogynists. Once again, if there are a lot of MRAs out there who do reject misogyny that I've somehow missed, please tell me where they hang out. So far the only "moderate" MRAs anyone seems to mention are Glenn Sacks, Pele Billig, and a tiny handful of others. Could you guys post links to your sources? If you just post the regender urls, that's fine b/c that has the original source in the url. |
2011-07-02T15:42:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/02/the-regender-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-36316 |
Come with me if you want to live .... with no italics! (Fixed, in other words.) |
2011-07-02T01:57:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-7/#comment-36214 |
Victoria -- send it! It's perfect for her -- it's a relationship question, a social awkwardness question, a work-life question, a dealing-with-douchebags question. It's got everything! | 2011-07-01T19:41:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/01/stare-me-up-stare-me-down/comment-page-3/#comment-36126 |
Victoria, I don't have any good advice for you, but I know who would: http://captainawkward.com/ I doubt she'd be able to get to you in time for it to be of use this weekend, but this sounds like it;s an ongoing thing. Send her a note! |
2011-07-01T18:29:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/01/stare-me-up-stare-me-down/comment-page-3/#comment-36108 |
This is where I found it: http://phoebelamour.tumblr.com/post/5569804474/why-im-staring-at-the-ground-instead-of-the-porn I'll put a credit up in the other thread. |
2011-07-01T17:26:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/07/01/all-weekend-open-thread-dance-party-ballet-shopping-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-36086 |
Well, no, it's not really seekret. But my cat could totally kick your ass. Also: Kitty backrub!!!!1!!! http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8zlcv7zOh1qzr2kio1_500.gif |
2011-07-01T04:56:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/louiswaindarkparty/comment-page-1/#comment-35858 |
i love that regender switches names too. Here's MaryMark talking about Donald Trump ... regendered: Christine has a point. Look at Donna Trump. How many hotties has she married in their prime? At least three that I can think of. First was Ivan. When he accumulated some wear & tear, the Donna went for the busty, blond George peach of Mark Maples. Now, she's married to Melvin Knauss, who was a model. I have ONE question to ask you people: if Donna Trump were collecting Social Security checks rather than being a billionaire, do you REALLY think that she'd have any male attention at all, let alone from some of the most desirable men on the planet? I think we all know the answer to that one! IOW, Christine in Oregon is right. Until next time... |
2011-07-01T04:42:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/louiswaindarkparty/comment-page-1/#comment-35855 |
It's a seekret clubhouse. There's punch and pie! |
2011-07-01T04:22:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/louiswaindarkparty/comment-page-1/#comment-35851 |
dsc, that is a thing of beauty. I believe I may have to do a post based on that. Or ten. | 2011-07-01T04:16:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/louiswaindarkparty/comment-page-1/#comment-35849 |
Well, Antz if evil ladies using their periods to take advantage of gullible men ISN'T a MRM issue, maybe it darn well should be! Now that I've given up feminism I'll get working on it right away. |
2011-07-01T00:14:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/30/aunt-flo-the-great-deceiver/comment-page-2/#comment-35802 |
Warhol pissed on some of his paintings and, being the lazy fuck he was, got other people to piss on his paintings for him: http://www.warholstars.org/aw76p.html |
2011-06-30T20:48:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/30/aunt-flo-the-great-deceiver/comment-page-1/#comment-35728 |
Goddammit I specifically told you ladies not to read this. | 2011-06-30T20:07:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/30/aunt-flo-the-great-deceiver/comment-page-1/#comment-35696 |
I still refuse to believe that Arksibalt is real. I decided to get all Rosemary's Baby about it and ran his name through an anagram server to see if it's an anagram for some regular here. Nope. But I sort of liked these results: Basalt Irk Bail Karts Tribal Ska Bait Larks I Talk Bras |
2011-06-30T16:07:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/30/sunny-side-up/comment-page-1/#comment-35556 |
I forgot about all those quotes! I think Megan Fox may be ... well, I'll just let Boxxy here explain: http://ants.planet.ee/trap/boxxy-trolling.gif |
2011-06-30T15:57:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/kate-beaton-confuses-the-reddit-mens-rightsers/comment-page-3/#comment-35540 |
Yes, Ion, it is true that all widespread stereotypes have a grain of truth to them. Like the one that Asian women have sideways vaginas? Partially true. They are actually at a 45 degree angle. | 2011-06-30T15:48:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/kate-beaton-confuses-the-reddit-mens-rightsers/comment-page-2/#comment-35524 |
Er, Megan Fox did. | 2011-06-30T15:27:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/kate-beaton-confuses-the-reddit-mens-rightsers/comment-page-2/#comment-35506 |
But she walked right past that poor boy with the flower! Yeah, maybe she was as bad example. |
2011-06-30T15:26:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/kate-beaton-confuses-the-reddit-mens-rightsers/comment-page-2/#comment-35505 |
Ion, you're aware that lots of men are attracted to women who are jerky awful assholes? (I mean, Megan Fox is apparently a bit of a snooty bitch, and that doesn't stop a lot of guys (and probably even some lesbians) from obsessing over her.) Also, plenty of gay men are attracted to broody dickbags. No demographic group has a monopoly on poor romantic/sexual judgement. |
2011-06-30T15:19:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/kate-beaton-confuses-the-reddit-mens-rightsers/comment-page-2/#comment-35498 |
FWIW, the Ball manifesto has been posted on various MR sites, so it shouldn't be hard to locate. | 2011-06-30T15:10:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-7/#comment-35489 |
Wait, "veggies" is a sign the world is going to hell? | 2011-06-30T15:09:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/kate-beaton-confuses-the-reddit-mens-rightsers/comment-page-2/#comment-35486 |
I can't believe no one's posted this yet: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=202 | 2011-06-30T15:07:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/kate-beaton-confuses-the-reddit-mens-rightsers/comment-page-2/#comment-35485 |
This guy's spreadsheets are literally SPREADsheets, if you catch my drift. Hen heh. High five!!! Actually, I'm pretty sure they're not. |
2011-06-30T15:04:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/30/sunny-side-up/comment-page-1/#comment-35481 |
Ami, I agree. LJ for personal stuff, and I'll keep the MB forum open for all. | 2011-06-30T14:56:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/comment-page-3/#comment-35475 |
Claire -- drop me an email, please! | 2011-06-30T14:15:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/comment-page-3/#comment-35450 |
MRAL posted something to the effect that his therapist didn;t think it was good for him to post here, so he would be refraining. Which makes sense to me. I | 2011-06-30T04:04:29-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/kate-beaton-confuses-the-reddit-mens-rightsers/comment-page-1/#comment-35365 |
AMi, check your email | 2011-06-30T01:45:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/louiswaindarkparty/comment-page-1/#comment-35342 |
The poll is back! Not the fault of your browsers! Not sure how it fell out of the sidebar, but I put it back in. |
2011-06-30T01:06:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/comment-page-2/#comment-35331 |
Ha! You have snuck behind the scenes at Man Boobz, where all the kitties are kept. Here's another one: http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lir8v7TZ181qzl7x8o1_500.gif |
2011-06-30T00:59:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/louiswaindarkparty/comment-page-1/#comment-35326 |
Oh, I forgot to mention: gabjoh wins one internet for correctly identifying my lesbian folk song reference: the "filling up and spilling over" line in my first sentence in the OP was a reference to "waterfall" by Cris Williamson! As for private forums, proboards has some "registered members only" options. I can make all, or some, or none of the boards "members only." I can also set up passwords for certain boards. My inclination is to keep things pretty open, but maybe there's a role for more private boards as well. Thoughts? |
2011-06-29T22:34:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/comment-page-2/#comment-35264 |
Pecnium, your wish is granted! At least that wish about a longer list of recent comments. I moved it up higher in the sidebar as well. |
2011-06-29T19:22:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/comment-page-1/#comment-35184 |
All righty. Sounds like the sentiment is leaning forumwise. I am too. Still interested in hearing from people (on whatever side) on this, though! |
2011-06-29T19:16:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/forum-or-againstum/comment-page-1/#comment-35177 |
duncan: I was going to actually leave your "evil feminist quote" list up because, well, it was the first time you ever posted one of those. But then you went and posted this bullshit:
yaz i read the original sources, i wouldnt have posted them otherwiseYeah, that's simply bullshit. As someone already pointed out, if you'd read, for example, the book in which Marilyn French made that famous comment you quoted, you'd have realized that it was, uh, a novel, and that it was uttered by one of the characters. If you'd read the People magazine piece in which it was quoted -- which is available online -- you'd see that she clearly does not hold those views. http://manboobz.com/2011/02/15/factchecking-a-list-of-hateful-quotes-from-feminists/ Beyond that, I'd ask you to provide a link to or a scan of the Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia – 9 February 1996 issue, the alleged source of one of your quotes. (I don't even doubt that this quote is real; it's just a letter to the editor from some anonymous person claiming to be a feminist. I just want you to prove that you read the "original source," as you said.) And tell me just where you read the final quotes from Dworkin, Sharon Stone, and Sally Miller Gearhart. The original sources, since you said you read them. Not some list on an MRA site. Provide context for these remarks, and a link if possible. Again, since you say you've read the original sources, this shouldn't be hard to do. If you can provide links to the original sources of these quotes, I'll happily let you post them. |
2011-06-29T15:27:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-6/#comment-35066 |
Well, come on, Barbarella rocks! | 2011-06-29T14:56:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/29/kate-beaton-confuses-the-reddit-mens-rightsers/comment-page-1/#comment-35058 |
Toysoldier: where exactly do you see "relishing" of his death here? | 2011-06-28T22:42:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-4/#comment-34810 |
I notice NWO still hasn't responded to my point about Danielle Dax-Bax. Or the Cats of Ulthar. | 2011-06-28T21:26:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/28/mra-thomas-ball-is-no-martyr/comment-page-3/#comment-34788 |
NWO, thank you for posting that interesting article from 1909. It is very thought-provoking. For example, it provoked this thought: If the great-great grandson of E. Belfort Bax, the author of your article, were to marry singer Danielle Dax, and she chose to go with a hyphenated name, she would be Danielle Dax-Bax. I would also like to call your attention to this article from 1920, which gets to the bottom of a movement even more sneaky and evil than feminism. | 2011-06-28T17:18:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/28/mra-thomas-ball-is-no-martyr/comment-page-1/#comment-34658 |
NWO, the bill for this site is $0, so, yes, Feministe covers all of that nothing. | 2011-06-28T17:08:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/28/mra-thomas-ball-is-no-martyr/comment-page-1/#comment-34648 |
Oops. You did. Or maybe you did. Are those quotes from the blog feministe, or was that a typo on your part -- ie, were you trying to type "feminists?" I ask only because you and accurate typing do not generally go together. |
2011-06-28T16:31:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/28/mra-thomas-ball-is-no-martyr/comment-page-1/#comment-34619 |
NWO, you should probably have mentioned that none of those quotes are from comments here. | 2011-06-28T16:30:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/28/mra-thomas-ball-is-no-martyr/comment-page-1/#comment-34618 |
MONEY. I should just start sprinkling that word throughout my posts, and increase my female readership by over 9000%. |
2011-06-28T15:22:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/28/mgtow-out-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-34572 |
I was going to write a reply to Daran's question many, many posts ago, but Bee's comment at 12:08 pretty much says everything I was going to say. A lot of people are sharing personal experiences, so I will share mine as well: I have had a lot of experience dealing with depression -- both as someone who has suffered from depression for probably 30 years (it was untreated for a long stretch of these years, and has never been treated wholly successfully), and as someone who has been close to several people suffering from depression. One of these people, a woman I dated for some time, used suicide threats in a very manipulative way -- mainly to keep me in what was a very bad relationship. Was her depression real? Yes. And very difficult to treat. Was she desperate? Yes. I took her threats seriously. Was she also a manipulative person who used her threats as a weapon against me? Yes. I don't presume to know what is in the head of every person who contemplates, or attempts, or succeeds at, suicide. I do know that suicide and suicide threats CAN be used in an aggressive, manipulative way. That's all I've claimed here. |
2011-06-28T14:32:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-3/#comment-34555 |
Just catching up here. There were a number of comments, mostly from MRAs who hadn't posted here before, caught in moderation. They're up now.
One of them said (among other things) this:
Marcotte ... has been a very vocal opponent of the legal presumption of innocence for males accused of rape.Bullshit. Citation needed. |
2011-06-28T14:22:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-3/#comment-34553 |
Hey, where did aMiRA go? I was hoping to get some actual intelligent discussion going on here! | 2011-06-28T01:45:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-11/#comment-34447 |
PPS, also, Laibach? Update your cultural references a little, dude. | 2011-06-27T21:39:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-10/#comment-34327 |
PS to Crack, there's another header, with a mammoth. That's also a joke. I set the header to "random" so it will now alternate between the two. | 2011-06-27T21:37:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-10/#comment-34325 |
Uh, no, Crack, I do not have some sort of ideological objection to blow jobs, and I'm pretty sure no one else here does either. Why don't you just look around and see? The picture in the header is what's called a "joke." It's a reference to a favorite phrase of internet misogynists: the "bad boy cock carousel" that young women are all supposedly riding during their twenties before they get old and have to live alone with their cats. |
2011-06-27T21:34:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-10/#comment-34322 |
DSC, I guess the thing that made me really wonder if he's for real was his comment about guys not having great orgasms unless they too are being penetrated by the magic penis. | 2011-06-27T21:10:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/make-me-a-lgbt-sandwich-hold-the-l-and-the-t/comment-page-5/#comment-34307 |
MRAL, you're not banned. I'm putting you on moderation for awhile. If you don't post violent shit, I'll let your comments through. Having you on moderation is a bit of a hassle for both of us -- for you more than me -- but I don't want to take you off moderation and have you post violent stuff again; I'll keep you on until I feel fairly sure you're not going to do that again. |
2011-06-27T21:07:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/make-me-a-lgbt-sandwich-hold-the-l-and-the-t/comment-page-5/#comment-34306 |
Sarah, I think Arksibalt has got to be fucking with us. Either he's joking or he's some kind of bizarre penis-supremacist. | 2011-06-27T19:05:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/make-me-a-lgbt-sandwich-hold-the-l-and-the-t/comment-page-5/#comment-34257 |
It wouldn’t matter. They’d just call him a feminist or a mangina and write attacking posts about him for a long time. Anyone who doesn’t agree with them is going to be attacked.Agreed. I didn't really identify myself explicitly as a feminist when I first started my blog; at most I made a couple vague positive references to feminism, and suggested that it was a good thing that women have the right to vote. I was immediately attacked a "feminazi" and a "mangina" and, well, check out the bravely anonymous comments to this post, my fifth: http://manboobz.blogspot.com/2010/09/first-they-came-for-fleshlights.html The best of the bunch: Little Ms. David here is just jealous because men will rather use a Fleshlight than give Little Ms. David's hungry poophole and mouthpussy the gift of their manly, throbbing love rockets. Awwwww. Men are such pigs. Men are so shallow they can't understand Little Ms. David needs a Real Man™. Where have all the good men gone?This comment was made anonymously but, I don;t know, doesn't it sound a little bit like something from a fellow we know as NWOslave? |
2011-06-27T18:33:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-34240 |
re r/mensrights, remarkably Kloo2yoo (the moderator) is actually ... defending Amanda's right to free speech. The guy who's leading up the charge is one of the more obnoxious r/mensrights regulars. |
2011-06-27T17:54:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-34221 |
Apparently Ball headed up a local chapter of a Fathers' Rights group: http://hypervocal.com/news/2011/update-man-who-set-himself-on-fire-on-courthouse-steps-did-so-in-name-of-fathers-rights/ "Fathers' Rights" isn't identical with the MRM, though obviously there are huge overlaps. It's not clear if he read any MRM blogs, but he clearly had read MRM stuff (online or off) about VAWA, etc. |
2011-06-27T17:34:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-34201 |
Jonestown -- no yoga that I know of. Heaven's Gate -- no yoga that I know of. Scientologists dying under suspicious circumstances -- no yoga that I know of. |
2011-06-27T16:49:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-9/#comment-34161 |
Ion, you are aware that feminists are routinely banned or otherwise run off of MRA blogs/forums? I was banned from several after only making a tiny handful of pretty polite comments, and on sites like The Spearhead by comments have been downvoted into oblivion. By contrast, I don't ban MRAs for expressing their opinions here (unless they make violent threats or are extremely disruptive), and I didn't do that even when MOST of the commenters here were very angry MRAs/MGTOWers. Heck, I even let Eoghan return and post here under a new name. And you are aware that MRAs often adopt a "sneering, mocking" tone? I guess that's the right term for it -- does calling someone a "cunt" count as a sneer? |
2011-06-27T16:44:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/amanda-marcotte-on-the-thomas-ball-suicide-and-mra-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-34156 |
Everyone: I have deleted several comments from MRAL in which he wrote threateningly and violently about a specific person. I have also edited several followup comments from other people that quoted from these comments of MRAL's. That sort of shit is simply not allowed here. I have put MRAL on moderation indefinitely. Also: MRAL has already admitted this earlier in the thread, but I can confirm that that he is posting from the same IP address as a guy who sent emails to Hugo Schwyzer that Hugo characterizes as "hateful." I will send a note to Hugo. |
2011-06-27T16:06:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/make-me-a-lgbt-sandwich-hold-the-l-and-the-t/comment-page-4/#comment-34081 |
Everyone: a couple of comments from Tabby got caught in moderation; they're up now. Tabby, not sure why they got caught; if you were posting from a different IP address that could be it. |
2011-06-27T13:20:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/27/make-me-a-lgbt-sandwich-hold-the-l-and-the-t/comment-page-1/#comment-33883 |
Surfa, given that I disagree with virtually everything the conscious men say and find them creepy as fuck, I would say that no, they are not a more extreme version of me. I think the main things I have in common with them are that they, like me, are male and speak English. And given that the overwhelming majority of MRAs are anti-feminist, I would say that very few feminists are "behind" the MRM. I would also say that virtually every feminist I know cares a lot about men's rights and men's issues generally (as do I); they just don't support the reactionary MRM as it exists today. Also, the folks behind Feminist Critics are not, you know, feminists, nor do they represent the MRM. Nor is it a site loved by many MRAs. It's a unique site. I think it's good that the Feminist Critics actually encourage real debate. The stuff I've read there is a mixed bag, some of the site's critiques of feminists are spot on, others not so much. |
2011-06-27T13:08:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/25/will-ferrell-conscious-man/comment-page-2/#comment-33870 |
Uh, Ion, did you somehow not see the sentences immediately after that 99/100 remark:
If, on the other hand, a PUA succeeds 99/100 times, that still has everything to do with the successrate. Success rate cannot be determined without knowing the number of failures. How do you not realize this? |
2011-06-27T04:32:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/weekend-open-thread-dada-party/comment-page-3/#comment-33788 |
Andrew, you perplex me. You're recommending ROISSY? I hate to tell you this, but readers of this blog are aware of Roissy and, well, let's just say he's not well-liked by most readers here. You might want to read this post: http://manboobz.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/ and its 900+ comments to see why. Also, Dalrock is a bit if a douche as well. Are you trolling or just a bit, er, confused about the purpose of this blog? |
2011-06-27T04:29:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-9/#comment-33786 |
sarah, just paste in the url, no html needed. | 2011-06-27T04:10:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/26/happy-pride-day-non-existent-gay-men/comment-page-6/#comment-33784 |
Andrew, if you're referring to that "language police" thing on Feministe -- which I'm guessing is what you're talking about, since it got talked about on the spearhead recently -- you're remembering it wrong. Yes, there were some people who acted like asses, but there were plenty of people who came to my defense and/or argued against the extreme language police. Not quite sure how it relates to the discussion here. |
2011-06-26T22:42:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-9/#comment-33621 |
MRAL, I don't buy this "I'll cross that bridge when I can get any woman." No one wants just any women, no one wants just any man. Here's the problem: you seem to hate and resent women you find attractive, but you also seem to hate women you don't find attractive as well, and resent them if and when they find guys to go out with. And I suspect that if you find some woman who's attracted to you, you will hate her for finding you attractive (in much the same way you hate yourself; what the hell is wrong with her that she could find someone like me attractive) and spend all your time being pissed that you couldn't find anyone "better" than her. I suspect women can sense this about you, and that this drives them away, because they don;t want to be with a guy who hates them. Check out this picture: http://imgur.com/w6fgi This guy is a friend of my brother. He had battery acid thrown on his face when he was a child, and so now, as you can see, he basically looks like Freddy Krueger, He's blind. He's short. People literally cringe the first time they see his face. Yet he spends zero time wallowing in self pity. He's got lots of friends and a very conventionally attractive wife; you'd probably consider her an alpha. All this shit that you imagine hems your life in; it's bullshit. The problem isn't your face or your height or whatever; it's all that toxic, hateful, self-hating shit you've got bouncing around in your head. I'm glad you're going in for therapy. The fact that you're willing to try it is a very good thing. There are really two types of people in this world: people who are self-aware (or who have the potential to become self-aware) and those who will never be self-aware. The people in the first group can work through problems and dramatically improve their lives; the latter are stuck forever the way they are. I think you fit in the first group. And I think other people here sense that too, which is why they keep engaging with you on all this. |
2011-06-26T21:57:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/26/happy-pride-day-non-existent-gay-men/comment-page-3/#comment-33547 |
MRAL, so how exactly did you arrive at these conclusions? They sound a lot like MRA/MGTOW/PUA soundbites and most of them bear very little resemblance to the real world as I know it. So, [citation needed] for most of these assertions. Some of them are so ludicrously wrong I can't believe you can type them with a straight face. 60-80% of men involuntarily celibate? Uh, no. According to the Kinsey institute: 90% of men and 86% of women have had sex in the past year 18-29 year olds have sex an average of 112 times per year, 30-39 year olds an average of 86 times per year, and 40-49 year olds an average of 69 times per year http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#frequency |
2011-06-26T20:36:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/26/happy-pride-day-non-existent-gay-men/comment-page-2/#comment-33441 |
Crack, yes, some cults incorporate yoga in their practices, and some use yoga as the gateway to get people into their cults. But yoga =/= cult. Most yogo practitioners/teachers have nothing to do with cults; most cults have nothing to do with yoga. I've run across radical political organizations with culty elements, and others that frankly ARE cults. But that doesn't mean that radical politics = cult. |
2011-06-26T20:19:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-8/#comment-33417 |
Well, MRAL, then you're not a hypocrite, at least on this point. I just think you're more obsessed with appearances (your own and those of others) and perceived status than pretty much anyone I've ever run across. Well, maybe that's not right; a lot of people are obsessed with appearance (including a lot of gay men, which is why the gym in my neighborhood does such good business). My question is: why do you blame people for dating other people they consider attractive? Why do you get angry if conventionally pretty women date conventionally handsome men? Assuming they value conventional attractiveness as much as you do, and setting aside questions of personality, compatablity,etc etc, why wouldn't (straight) women want to date the handsomest man they could find who is willing to date them? Aren't you (again, setting aside personality, etc) interested in dating the most attractive woman who would date you? If so, why do you get angry if women you consider betas and omegas date men who are "above them" on your Greek scale? You're hoping to date women who aren't omegas, right? And why i sit any of your business whom people date, anyway? If an ugly women (or at least a woman you consider ugly) is dating a handsome man, what's it to you? If an ugly man is dating a beautiful woman, what's THAT to you? People are allowed to date whomever they want. (And heck, if some "ugly" gal scores a "handsome" guy, doesn't that leave one more pretty woman out there for you to pursue?) |
2011-06-26T20:01:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/26/happy-pride-day-non-existent-gay-men/comment-page-2/#comment-33401 |
So would you date one of these women? If not, why not? | 2011-06-26T19:15:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/26/happy-pride-day-non-existent-gay-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33369 |
32% | 2011-06-26T18:02:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-14/#comment-33338 |
MRAL, I don't believe in your Greek system, but since you do, er, shouldn't people basically expect to mostly get with people who are at their same level on the scale? Yet you reject Omega women, and have said all sorts of horrible things about them. Why is it unfair for women you rate as higher than you to reject you, especially since you reject women that have an equal rank as you? | 2011-06-26T16:50:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/26/happy-pride-day-non-existent-gay-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33304 |
"It’s about natural, juicy, healthy sex devoid of the bacteria and STD carrying anus region and devoid of other males."I know this isn't the goofiest thing AWS said, but I just kind of liked it. I will be doing an AWS thread. Given how much is going on in the comments these days, I think I need to do regular posts about them so those who don't read through the comments can still enjoy the highlights. I'm thinking of using a sort of soap-opera-esque headline for these posts: Trolls of Our Lives Days of Our Trolls All My Trolls The Young and the Senseless Or something like this: Troll Report Troll Update Any thoughts? |
2011-06-26T16:18:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-14/#comment-33283 |
Crack, obviously you can make whatever accusations you want about specific people on your blog, but not here. If you want to discuss your allegations, don't use their names. Linking to your blog is fine. That goes for everyone else discussing Crack's allegations too. No names. |
2011-06-26T15:47:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-8/#comment-33271 |
Wouldn’t.. you know.. polite conversation that doesn’t focus on how someone looks, or the ability to look your patner in the eye instead of in the boobs be more effective?But what if you're faced with this? http://thehostages.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/eye-boobs.jpg |
2011-06-26T05:27:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/weekend-open-thread-dada-party/comment-page-2/#comment-33006 |
I would bet that the guy who insulted dreamhouse was trying to pull off a "neg." | 2011-06-26T05:23:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/weekend-open-thread-dada-party/comment-page-2/#comment-33004 |
Marie, the biggest non-sequiter meltdown at the moment is going on here: http://manboobz.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/ You may want to scroll back a couple of pages to see AWS -- which I believe stands for American (or possibly All) Women Suck -- in all his glory. Enjoy! |
2011-06-25T16:09:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/25/will-ferrell-conscious-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32855 |
Ami, here's another response to your cards that is, well, just take a look: http://manboobz.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-6/#comment-32694 |
2011-06-25T15:28:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/25/will-ferrell-conscious-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32835 |
If you have really bad aim, maybe. Also, oral sex is sometimes classified as sodomy. |
2011-06-25T15:11:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-12/#comment-32821 |
Rectal sodomy is a lot less sadistic if you use the proper amount of lube. Just FYI. | 2011-06-25T15:04:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-12/#comment-32816 |
Forgot to mention: there were a couple of posts from new people that got held up in moderation; they're up now, and worth scrolling up to read. | 2011-06-25T14:52:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/25/will-ferrell-conscious-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32803 |
In case anyone is interested, Scott Adams has now responded, sort of, to my latest post mentioning him: http://manboobz.com/2011/06/23/scott-adams-self-proclaimed-misunderstood-genius-part-xviii/comment-page-3/#comment-32698 |
2011-06-25T14:49:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/screech-it-from-the-mountaintop/comment-page-2/#comment-32798 |
In case anyone is interested, Scott Adams has now responded, sort of, to my latest post mentioning him: http://manboobz.com/2011/06/23/scott-adams-self-proclaimed-misunderstood-genius-part-xviii/comment-page-3/#comment-32698 |
2011-06-25T14:48:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/weekend-open-thread-dada-party/comment-page-1/#comment-32796 |
My take on the Ferrell video is that the stuff about the "musty bush" and all that is mostly intended to make fun of the original video's creepy references to the female body. I wouldn't call Ferrell a feminist, and there's some sexism in his humor. But he also makes fun of sexism, and hardly seems to be a misogynist. |
2011-06-25T14:46:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/25/will-ferrell-conscious-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32792 |
In case anyone is interested, Scott Adams has now responded, sort of, to my latest post mentioning him: http://manboobz.com/2011/06/23/scott-adams-self-proclaimed-misunderstood-genius-part-xviii/comment-page-3/#comment-32698 |
2011-06-25T14:42:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/25/will-ferrell-conscious-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32787 |
Scott, here's a comprehending-what-you-actually-wrote test that you have already failed: If you say that men have a natural urge to rape, and then suggest that society is a virtual "prison" preventing men from acting on this desire, have you implied that all men are natural rapists? Also, in my post I didn't imply you condoned this, exactly. Your post was pretty muddled and seemed to suggest at points -- with all that "prison" stuff -- that men were being oppressed by having to, you know, not run around putting their pegs in other people, but as I noted you also suggested (with what degree of seriousness I cannot tell) that it would better for men to be chemically castrated. Feel free to spell out what you actually do believe, and what was all part of yet another "social experiment" of yours. |
2011-06-25T14:37:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/23/scott-adams-self-proclaimed-misunderstood-genius-part-xviii/comment-page-3/#comment-32782 |
You know, of all the wacky babblings of AWS, I think my favorite bit so far is this: "Your paragraph structure indicated you are a poor leader." | 2011-06-25T04:37:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-11/#comment-32686 |
AWS: There's a lot of "white pride" stuff on ghostnation, and the list about feminists you posted earlier complained that feminists weren't into "white pride." Assuming that the things you post and the things you link to might have some vague connection with what you believe, I would like to ask again: are you a believer in "white pride?" | 2011-06-25T02:02:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-8/#comment-32511 |
Also, RIP Peter Falk. Maybe I'll go download the In-Laws. |
2011-06-25T01:37:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/weekend-open-thread-dada-party/comment-page-1/#comment-32475 |
MRAL, serious question, so what's good and bad about Borderlands? I like FPSes but suck at them. Is the campaign ok? I heard the game was only fun in coop mode. | 2011-06-25T01:34:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/weekend-open-thread-dada-party/comment-page-1/#comment-32470 |
Um, AWS, if you have thousands of internet friends on theghostnation.com forum, why does it seem like only two or three people post 99% of the comments there? Also, just curious, did you write the list about feminists you posted before? Are you one of those White Pride people? |
2011-06-25T01:29:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-8/#comment-32458 |
NWO, you actually think that the divorce rate is based on what percentage of people -- including those who aren't married, and therefore can't divorce -- divorce? That would be like calculating the murder rate for a city by including not only those who live in a city but also everyone who is buried in a cemetery there. Also, the divorce rate has been been falling since 1980 or so. That's simply a fact. |
2011-06-24T18:06:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-3/#comment-32039 |
NWO, let me just run this by you one more time: Unless there are literally zero marriages, divorce rates are independent of marriage rates. They are based on what percentage of couples divorce. It doesn't matter how many marriages there are. If only one hundred people in the US were to marry in the US one year -- which would make the marriage rate EXTREEEEEMELY low, and half of them divorce, the divorce rate would be 50%. If every single person in the US were to marry one year -- which would make the marriage rate 100% -- and half of them divorce, the divorce rate would be 50%. If 25% of couples divorce, whether there are 100 or 1 zillion million couples, the divorce rate would be 25%. If 75% divorce, regardless of how many couples, it would be 75%. The only way the marriage rate might affect the divorce rate: if a very high percentage of couples marry, there will probably be more incompatable couples in that bunch than if a very small percentage of couples (those who are really really really truly in love) marry. So (all else being equal) the higher the percentage of people who marry, the higher the divorce rate would be. (Of course there are many many other factors so in the real world it's not this simple.) |
2011-06-24T17:55:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-3/#comment-32021 |
If Louie wasn't joking with that open relationship thing, then I think I might have to lower my expectations for humanity yet another peg on my Expectations for Humanity pegboard. | 2011-06-24T17:13:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/screech-it-from-the-mountaintop/comment-page-1/#comment-31952 |
Shaenon, I think you nailed it! Could I run this as a guest post? Graham, I know, right? How can I enjoy rereading Story of O now that it's become polluted in my brain by this asshole? I'm just glad he didn't call himself "Cheeseburger," because that cuts even closer to home for me. |
2011-06-24T15:45:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-31884 |
Ami, let me know when you've finished up the cards, b/c I definitely want to do a post featuring them! | 2011-06-24T03:42:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/23/scott-adams-self-proclaimed-misunderstood-genius-part-xviii/comment-page-3/#comment-31756 |
Just wanted to throw my support to the truce w/ Fuck MRAs. That "kindling" thing yesterday rubbed me and obviously a lot of other people the wrong way, but you know, water under the bridge at this point. I also disagree on the "credibility" thing, but I don't think that's an outrageous argument. (I just don't think it makes sense with Scott Adams, since he's so good at digging his own holes. This whole thing makes him look worse, not Mary Elizabeth Williams.) There are certainly plenty of MRAs/misogynists I don't think it's worth engaging with, but not because of credibility, because I just don't want to bother with them. |
2011-06-24T02:24:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/23/scott-adams-self-proclaimed-misunderstood-genius-part-xviii/comment-page-3/#comment-31749 |
I think I'm just going to go with "gringo" from now on. | 2011-06-24T01:56:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-13/#comment-31718 |
I call people from the USA "Americans" too. Yeah, it's sort of an imperialist term, but then again so is "America," given that it's based on the name of a European cartographer. Some Spanish and Portuguese speakers use the term norteamericano to refer to people from the US and Canada, even though Mexico and Central Americam countries are also North American. More on terms used to describe us USians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norteamericano |
2011-06-23T18:13:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-9/#comment-31304 |
denelian, that's so shitty, so sorry. | 2011-06-23T15:18:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-6/#comment-31225 |
Doctress, so sorry. That sucks. Bee, thanks for posting that Scott Adams link. I checked it out and wrote a quick post about it, in case anyone wants to take another whack at that old drama queen. |
2011-06-23T15:10:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/23/by-his-wild-lone/comment-page-1/#comment-31223 |
Ack! Please don't refer to him as "David." We don't really consider him part of the David community.
Does no one else find him as funny as I do? I mean, come on, this is golden:
The bloody mess of paedophilia, rape, familiy breakdown, the infestation of workplaces and universities with women, runaway drug and alcohol abuse, etc, is the inevitable result of YOUR ideas and policies carried to their logical conclusion. YOU have blood on YOUR feminsit paws, not me and mine!Also, HE SIGNS HIS P.S.es!!! It's freaking adorable. I think I may have to do a "Best of David K. Meller" post some time soon. |
2011-06-23T00:11:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-13/#comment-31141 |
Eoghan is evidently an Irish name. Also, in case anyone is wondering, it's pronounced "Owen." At least according to these people: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081031075331AACBsL2 |
2011-06-22T23:48:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-6/#comment-31131 |
Plymouth, thank you for getting us back on topic!!! Also, did you read the comment someone left on that link? |
2011-06-22T23:25:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-8/#comment-31120 |
Do you like Huey Lewis and The News? | 2011-06-22T23:00:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-5/#comment-31105 |
Ami, I think you have begun to understand the nature of The Eoghan. Good to see such a clear example of Eoghan the blatant liar as the whole "some people here were celebrating Ball's death" thing, when it was ONE person, ONE, and that ONE person was soundly criticized by commenters here and me. (That's obviously a paraphrase, as he would have said Bell.) Too much to respond to here (that's what I get for going out for a couple of hours!), but thanks, Pecunium, for taking on that SAVE stuff. I would like to add to your critique only this. Here is the actual graphic they use for their False Allegations Awareness Month thingie: http://www.saveservices.org/wp-content/uploads/FAAM4FINALsmall-LOGOwborder.png Ami, I think I've missed some of your cards. Where can I see them all? |
2011-06-22T22:52:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-5/#comment-31100 |
Question: is middle of the road ... Eoghan? I say: Yes; he's using that same "false allegations" line. What do the rest of you think? As for Fuck MRAs, I think real, not mole. |
2011-06-22T18:36:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-30842 |
Conchubar, some MRAs celebrate Marc Lepine; I have seen only a small handful of comments by MRAs that do. But given the sort of stuff I talk about in the OP here, MRAs may be getting more violent-minded; I can only hope that they stick just to talking about it on the internet. | 2011-06-22T18:33:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-30836 |
Fuck MRA, even if you don't hate MEN plural and just hate this one MAN singular, you're being an asshole, and your "kindling" comment was way out of line. I'm going to leave it up, since people have already responded and I don't like censoring anyway, but if you keep that sort of shit up I may put you on moderation. | 2011-06-22T18:27:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/22/arms-and-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-30826 |
And on generalizations: I DON'T generalize about men based on the posts I write. The kinds of guys I write about here, I feel fairly safe in saying, are NOT representative of all men; I suspect they are quite rare. They ARE fairly representative of MRAs/MGTOWers/PUAs online. No, not all MRAs are misogynists. But based on the evidence of the vast majority of MRA/MGOTW sites online I feel safe in saying that a very large proportion of MRAs online (at least those who write blog posts, write comments, and vote comments up or down) are misogynists. I would guess the majority are, but I have no way of proving this. But again, on many of the sites most popular with MRAs online, it's harder to find posts and comments that aren't misogynist than to find posts and comments that are. |
2011-06-22T16:32:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-7/#comment-30669 |
Marc, I forgot to mention: No, I don't post anonymously on NiceGuy's forum or any other men's rights/mgtow/pua etc forums. I never have. (I've posted a tiny handful of comments on MR blogs under my own name.) The people I quote on these forums are regulars there; in many cases they've posted hundreds if not thousands of comments. Seriously. And there's very little disagreement on these boards, at least when it comes to woman hating. MGTOWforums doesn't require registration; go there and see. (It's only a couple of months old and many regulars have already posted hundreds of comments.) | 2011-06-22T16:26:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-7/#comment-30659 |
Marc said:
Bad example. If you blog about dogs (= real animals in the real world) you spend your time a thousand times better than blogging about delusional stuff somebody writes anonymously somewhere on the Internet.To be fair, Marc, I do post pictures of kitties fairly often. Presumably that's at least as valuable as dog blogging. |
2011-06-22T16:05:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-6/#comment-30630 |
Marc, have you read any of my posts about the False Rape Society? | 2011-06-22T15:29:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-6/#comment-30592 |
Marc, oh, Marc. You've complained twice about my "broken link," although the second time it was "links." The link in question, in my OP above, is not broken; it is to a forum that requires you register in order to see the comments. A little bit of a hassle, but if anyone really wants to see the original in all its glory they can register. I'm not sure what my other options are if I want to quote anything from that forum. I think at this point it is either the only members-only site I quote from regularly. (Maybe one of the other MGOTW forums is also members only; I don't remember.) Of course, if you'd actually read the post to the end, you would have noticed that I link to a blog that quotes the comment in full. Click it and see. I'll deal with the rest of your complaints about this blog in my upcoming "challenge" post. |
2011-06-22T15:28:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-6/#comment-30591 |
Holly, not a bad idea. I've thought about doing that before. I think I should go ahead and set up a page on this, linked up top on that thingy below the header. Ami, your cards are great. When you get done with them I'd like to do a post on them. Could you write up a little explanation of them for those of us that don't understand these sorts of games? |
2011-06-22T15:15:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-6/#comment-30574 |
That is so weird, Ami. I'm wearing that outfit right now! Thanks, I guess? :) |
2011-06-21T22:44:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-2/#comment-30316 |
VoiP I deleted the old post and left a little note from me explaining things in its spot. (And I fixed a glitch in your revised comment.)
If anyone wants to do quoting and other stuff without bothering with html code, I suggest you get the bbcodeextra add-on for Firefox, which makes it all easy.
Oh, and here's the rest of the quote from that blog you quoted from, just because some people responded to the specifics of it:
In any case all religions as they are practiced in the west are on a sliding scale of witchcraft vs. legalism or feminine vs. masculine if you will. 1. Witchcraft/feminine religion entails Feelings, community, “experience of worship”, spirituality, vagueness of law, emotional worship, miracles, modern music emphasized, if there is a worship leader that leader is usually good looking and androgynous and will appeal to loneliness/a need for a relationship, things like astrology, fortune telling, past lives, reincarnation, karma, soul mates, and other western corruptions of eastern religion may be prominent. 2. Legalism/masculine religion entails Somber subdued services, worship leader usually older man, the law is clear and not open to interpretation, nothing is ambiguous, punishments/rewards/expectations are all clear…if there is music it will be old/traditional. The worship leader will appeal to reason and a sense of justice. The “traditional” cosmology of “last things” like heaven and hell (there will always be a hell in masculine religion) will be rigorously adhered to. You have Pentecostals and christian science on the witchcraft side and Eastern Orthodoxy and Islam on the legalistic. All others fall in between. |
2011-06-21T18:11:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/20/let-us-prey/comment-page-7/#comment-30246 |
Amused, actually in most states it's 16 years, so the guys in love with 14-year-olds only have to wait two years. | 2011-06-21T17:39:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-13/#comment-30233 |
Seraph, the illustration in the header depicts just such a carousel! And is available as a t-shirt! | 2011-06-21T16:53:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-30205 |
VoiP, you need to put [blockquote] at the start and [/blockquote] at the end, but with angle brackets instead of square brackets. I would have just edited your comment but I couldn't quite tell what was supposed to be quotes and what wasn't. | 2011-06-21T16:50:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/20/let-us-prey/comment-page-7/#comment-30203 |
Marc, given that (according to the Kinsey Institute) 90% of men have had sex in the past year (and almost all men have sex at some point in their lives), I would say that (straight) women have sex with nearly all (straight) men. | 2011-06-21T16:10:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/21/how-the-other-half-lives-according-to-dudes-who-have-no-fucking-idea-how-the-other-half-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-30180 |
VoiP: Here's his explanation for that:
I only say that since the Eastern Orthodox churches tend to attract more men than women. Supposedly they aren’t that feminized either, but I don’t know if that’s really the case or that’s temporary because the Orthodox churches haven’t been on the radar screen since they aren’t very visible in North America. (I would think that the lack of feminization would not apply to the Greek Orthodox church. |
2011-06-21T15:30:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/20/let-us-prey/comment-page-7/#comment-30169 |
Yeah, there are at least two more Human Stupidity posts I've been meaning to write about; that's one of them. He's also sort of obsessed with the whole Underage Girl Question. | 2011-06-21T15:25:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/17/all-weekend-open-thread-dance-andor-tea-party/comment-page-1/#comment-30164 |
I want a herd of tiny elephants. | 2011-06-21T00:58:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/20/let-us-prey/comment-page-6/#comment-30117 |
Ami, I sort of like the whole Eoghan game where he goes away, gets a new nick and IP address, and returns. I get to play detective! | 2011-06-20T20:53:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/19/internetty-goodness-from-two-friendz-of-man-boobz/comment-page-2/#comment-30036 |
You know, Holly asked a question a while ago that no one has seen fit to answer. So I will.
I mean, what has more mass than an elephant?Two elephants! You're welcome! |
2011-06-20T19:14:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/20/let-us-prey/comment-page-5/#comment-29986 |
ngz/Eoghan is on moderation until he fesses up about his sockpuppetry and gives a good argument as to why, in the face of his rampant dishonesty, he should be allowed to post here. (Based on past experience, I expect him to ignore this request, leave, and come back again in the near future under a different name.) | 2011-06-20T15:33:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/19/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-29792 |
Also, Eoghan, you'll need to explain your response to the Dwight Schrute comment, just because it makes no fucking sense. Ok, you don't have to do that. Just the other stuff. |
2011-06-20T15:22:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/19/internetty-goodness-from-two-friendz-of-man-boobz/comment-page-1/#comment-29778 |
ngz3120, you are aware that we know that you are Eoghan, right? And that if you want to keep posting here, you're going to need to fess up and give a good argument as to why I should let you keep on posting, especially given your constant dishonesty (the sockpuppetry, your tendency to blatantly misrepresent what other people say and believe, like you did with Ozy's blog here). Until then, you're on moderation and I won't let any posts through until you offer an explanation. |
2011-06-20T15:19:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/19/internetty-goodness-from-two-friendz-of-man-boobz/comment-page-1/#comment-29774 |
Also, that rock garden thing is ... interesting. What happens if someone farts? |
2011-06-20T15:08:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/20/let-us-prey/comment-page-2/#comment-29755 |
Bee, ha! I was just looking for a good Hindu one. Here's the best I've got so far: http://www.globalfutureevents.com/photo/add/2083.jpg "Hey, girls, wanna come back to my place and rub colored powder on each other (as is done in the Hindu festival of Holi, which you are celebrating here)?" (I felt I sort of needed to add a little exposition there.) Also, elephants: http://www.flickr.com/photos/juliet916/2357467073/ "Hey, sexy elephant lady, I've got some nuts for you. In my pants!": |
2011-06-20T15:07:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/20/let-us-prey/comment-page-2/#comment-29753 |
Alright, Slavey. You're making my life difficult here. Finding pictures of sexy nuns is as easy as finding pictures of sexy nurses or sexy Japanese schoolgirls. Protip: lots of people fetishize people in uniforms. But doing a search for "sexy Jews" gives you lots of pictures of Natalie Portman and Andy Samberg and various other celebrities, not pictures of some sexy Jewish archetype. But after a bit of brainstorming, I came up with this: http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/07/women-idf-maxim-photo-3.jpg "Hey, baby, I'd love to annex your territories! And while I'm at it, paganism: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktfw0yA4ON1qa6x5yo1_500.jpg "Hey, girls, you want to dance around my pole?" http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6cmm1dCLJ1qa6x5yo1_400.jpg "Hey, pretty lady, let's you and me get skyclad." | 2011-06-20T14:36:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/20/let-us-prey/comment-page-2/#comment-29721 |
And that, MRAL and everybody, seems like a good spot to end it. ... | 2011-06-19T22:23:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-12/#comment-29518 |
MRAL, well, that wasn't exactly the result I was hoping for, but I'm glad you went there. So, everyone, let's just wind down the height discussion here .... | 2011-06-19T22:13:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-12/#comment-29514 |
DSC, ugh, that's awful. On the flip side, you didn't have to share your PS3 with that asshole. | 2011-06-19T21:26:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/19/internetty-goodness-from-two-friendz-of-man-boobz/comment-page-1/#comment-29494 |
MRAL, thanks. | 2011-06-19T21:22:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-12/#comment-29493 |
Pecunium, no problem. I may make a quick post about it just to make sure everyone knows about it. | 2011-06-19T21:22:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-12/#comment-29492 |
In case any of you missed my last comment in this admittedly fast-moving thread, the topic of MRAL's height and/or eye, is now off limits to everyone, including MRAL. I just don't want every thread to turn into an MRAL show. And MRAL, take a look at the site I mentioned in my last comment in this thread, and post a comment showing that you looked at it. (You may refer to your eye and/or height in that one comment.) Doing that is actually sort of a prerequisite to you continuing to post here unmoderated. |
2011-06-19T21:13:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-12/#comment-29488 |
Look, I'm not going to have another thread turned into the MRAL show. MRAL, it is very clear to basically everyone but you that your primary problem is in your head. Notably, your obsession with height and with your eye. I don't want you talking about it here any more, and I don't want anyone else talking about it here any more.Jokes included. MRAL, if you want to talk about ANY OTHER ISSUE besides yourself and what you see as your very personal disadvantages, feel free. Just don't make it all about you. So, MRAL, I have one favor to ask from you. Well, it's not really a favor; it's sort of a prerequisite if you want to stay off moderation here. I know you don't believe you have body dysmorphic disorder (BDD), and obviously since I'm not an expert and have never met you I can't diagnose you over the internet, I want you to go to this web site and read some of the threads and see if any of what people are saying there reminds you of yourself, then come back here and (regardless what you think of what they say) post something that shows you did indeed go over and look at this site and at at least one of the threads I list below. http://bddcentral.com/forums/ Here are several specific threads that relate to one of your obsessions: http://bddcentral.com/forums/index.php?topic=8047.0 http://bddcentral.com/forums/index.php?topic=8983.0 http://bddcentral.com/forums/index.php?topic=9516.0 http://bddcentral.com/forums/index.php?topic=9688.0 |
2011-06-19T20:23:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-11/#comment-29438 |
(Props to Bee for figuring out the culprit before I announced it.) | 2011-06-19T18:38:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-10/#comment-29357 |
the pulsing black heart of misandryOoh! That's a good one. FWIW, Eoghan was banned from this blog when it was over on blogspot, so that's why he's using fake names. The last time he did this, I think I offered to let him post again if he just came clean about his sockpuppetry, but he simply vanished instead. So I'll make the same offer again: Come clean, and you can post here. (Though, as is the case with everyone else here, if you act like a total douche I'll put you on at least temporary moderation.) Having moderation as an option for individuals makes it much easier to deal with obnoxious people! Thanks, wordpress! |
2011-06-19T18:37:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-10/#comment-29354 |
Also, ngz is almost certainly ... EOGHAN!! (See the age of consent comments for details.) | 2011-06-19T18:21:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/19/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-29343 |
Actually, I take that back; I think one of ngz's comments WAS held, but it's up now. But that may be moot because it's pretty clear to me that ngz is ... drumroll ... the third (I think) incarnation of ... EOGHAN!! The two quotes I posted above were from Eoghan; you'll notice he uses a couple of arguments (and almost the exact same wording) that ngz has used, again and again and again, in his comments in this thread, namely: *that it's unfair to mock commenters on the spearhead and elsewhere because they are abuse victims that I'm "exploiting" by quoting. *that when feminists say things he disagrees with about rape and abuse their comments are "false allegations and insinuations about abuse and rape." (Note: he's not talking about allegations of actual rape or abuse directed at an individual here, but saying things on the topic of rape or abuse that he disagrees with.) So, Eoghan, here's your chance: come clean and explain exactly why you think I should let you post here, and I may just let you continue to post here. OR ngz, if you are NOT Eoghan and you can make a coherent argument explaining why you have the exact same obsessions as Eoghan and use the exact same language that he does, I'll let you keep posting. I haven't put you on moderation yet. Ball's in your court: |
2011-06-19T18:01:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-10/#comment-29335 |
Quiz! Who posted this comment on Man Boobz?
What reflects badly on feminism are the reductions in legal, civil and human rights, the organised hate, the stereotyping of a whole group with the actions of an extreme minority, the polemic research, the revisionist history, the protection of abusers and hiding of victims, the exploitation of abuse victims to further its agenda, its ability to frame hate as correct in the minds of its followers.Who posted this comment? What about the litany of false allegations and insinuations about abuse and rape thats directed against the politically incorrect group David? |
2011-06-19T17:43:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-10/#comment-29331 |
Just catching up here.
I don't know what ngz is talking about with regard to moderation. I pulled a couple of comments out of moderation about an hour ago, and I don't recall any of them being from him. In any case, all of his comments are up now; there are none from him in my "pending" folder, the spam folder, or the trash folder. I checked.
Also, ngz, I use The Spearhead as an example frequently because it's a popular site with a number of contributors who are sort of big names in the MRA world; there are lots of comments there and because people vote on them we can see how individual comments are received. But if you want, you can replace "the spearhead" with ANY OF THE OTHER SITES IN MY BOOB ROLL and find similar levels of misogyny on them (some are more misogynistic, some (like Reddit Men's Rights) less.
Not sure why I'm trying to argue with him because it's clear he has, as some has said, an essentially religious attitude towards the MRM, and is unwilling to actually discuss anything in good faith.
I'm also beginning to suspect that he's, well, the reincarnation of someone who used to post on this site a lot.
Pecunium had one comment held that's relevant to the question of the mysterious misogyny-free MRA site. Referring to the site that ngz posted as an example of one, Pecumium said:
Oi… NGZ: I looked at that site… But I have to wonder what it is they are keeping under wraps. This site is currently for MRA Members, Men, and Masculists ONLY!. So… I can’t (honestly) join them. What are they hiding? Given what’s on the front page (A guy translating from, Slutese to English, How to Crazy Proof Your Life [i.e. so far as I can tell, keep the women from getting uppity], Paul Elam, Angry Harry, The “False Rape Epidemic”, etc.) I have to wonder what it is they think needs to be kept to just “The Movement”. Because the stuff they are public about is pretty much the same as The Spearhead, which you say they are different from.The site in question is: http://masculism.ca/ Take a look and see what you think! PEACE AND FREEDOM!!11!!! |
2011-06-19T17:36:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-10/#comment-29330 |
Was this post intended to make a mockery of the anger about the father that self immolated outside the family courts the other day?WTF, dude? No, of course it wasn;t. |
2011-06-19T16:02:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/19/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-29294 |
DC, Boston, Toronto ... soon I will have my secret sleeper cells in every major city on the continent! Heh heh. By which I mean, glad to see you guys had fun! |
2011-06-18T23:54:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/17/today-boston-tomorrow-toronto/comment-page-1/#comment-29027 |
I really need to start working the term "titty-baby" into my conversations. | 2011-06-18T19:47:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-5/#comment-28833 |
ngz3120 Disagreeing with you about the CTS is not misandry. Ozymandias is hardly a misandrist, and has just started a site devoted to ... advocating for men's rights. (Not Men's Rights as the MRM construes it, but men's rights nonetheless.) Jezebel ran one admittedly awful piece four years ago in which the writers talked about attacking men. I think this article was a terrible one. The site has run probably tens of thousands of pieces, so finding one piece that is again, admittedly, very bad is not the same as showing that the site is riddled with misandry. Jessica Valenti wrote one sentence in one piece (that was not on feministing) that might be construed to mean what you think it means. Against this I offer, well, the entirely of this site. I could find ten times as many examples of misogyny in a single Spearhead thread. |
2011-06-18T17:33:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-3/#comment-28735 |
You show me a popular feminist site that is not riddled with misandry.EVERY SINGLE ONE in my "antidotes to boobery" sidebar. |
2011-06-18T16:50:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-3/#comment-28704 |
ngz3120, please show me a popular online site/forum/whatever devoted to MR that is NOT riddled with misogyny. A link or two. (I can think of only one or two, and they are basically ignored by the majority of MRAs online) . I "cherry-pick" only in that I search our misogyny that is actually interesting to write about -- that's funny, that deals with interesting issues, that sort of thing. Were I to post every misogynistic comment I find on MRA sites, I would have to post dozens if not hundeds of them a day. There's no need to "cherry pick" to find misogyny on, say, The Spearhead; it's sort of hard to find posts or comments there that are NOT pretty explicitly misogynistic. |
2011-06-18T16:27:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-3/#comment-28685 |
Natasha, there is a difference between men's rights and the Men's Rights Movment. I am for men's rights. But I think the MRM is a retrograde movement that's bad for women AND for men. A couple of examples: The group Just Detention, for example, fights for the rights of men in prison (and women as well, though since there are more men than women in prison their work benefits far more men than women). That's something I support. I see very little support in the MRM for this group; when MRAs talk about prison rape they generally use the issue to minimize the issue of women being raped outside of prison, and they do almost no practical work to actually help rape victims (male or female) in prison. The MRM does very little practical work to help men AT ALL; most of the energy is spent castigating women and feminists, And I think there are plenty of harmful stereotypes about men, which can cause lots of problems for individual men. Like the idea that men are basically beasts driven to rape by women dressing provocatively. Virtually every MRA article I've read about the SlutWalks reinforces this stereotype. |
2011-06-18T16:19:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-3/#comment-28679 |
I'd agree that older women fucking teenagers is fucked up. As for the whole do-MRAs-hate-feminists-or-feminism issue, this is a distinction I almost never see made on MRA sites, where many people quite openly say that they hate feminISTS. Like this MRA: http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/whats-up-with-this-mens-movement/2/ Actually, a lot of MRAs seem to have trouble telling the difference between feminists and women in general. And plenty, even if they can tell the difference, who simply hate all women. As for proof, see virtually any post on this site. |
2011-06-18T16:05:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-2/#comment-28663 |
R&D, sorry it didn't work out for you. But I'm glad everyone else seemed to enjoy the Boston meetup! I guess the Toronto meetup is happening RIGHT THIS MINUTE! Ami (and the rest), let us know how it goes! |
2011-06-18T14:19:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/17/today-boston-tomorrow-toronto/comment-page-1/#comment-28596 |
Could I ask you all to refer to David K. Meller as DKM? Or at least something that is not "David." I think I speak for most Davids when I say that we do not want to be associated with Mr. Meller or his ideas. PEACE AND FREEDOM!!!11!!! |
2011-06-18T14:11:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-1/#comment-28589 |
US Life Expectancy, 1850-2004 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html More on the subject, including a useful historical chart that looks at estimated average life expectancy over human history and prehistory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy Yes, NWO, there were people in the ancient world who lived into their 60s and older. Quite a few, actually. One major cause of the lower life expectancies back then was that infant mortality was much higher than it is today; if you survived infancy there was a good chance that you would live a lot longer than the average life expectancy. But of course if you die as an infant, you're still dead. Which means that no matter how you slice it, life expectancy has increased drastically in the last 500 years. EDIT: Reworded a sentence to be more accurate. |
2011-06-18T14:04:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/18/men%e2%80%99s-rights-classix-the-age-of-consent-is-misandry/comment-page-1/#comment-28587 |
I love that DKM signs his PS's. | 2011-06-18T01:32:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-3/#comment-28483 |
Hasn’t NWOsub been violating the comments policy for most of this thread, specifically by misrepresenting other people’s views and lying about them?Yeah, I suppose, but he's pretty consistently wrong about everything, so I don't think there's much danger anyone is going to take anything he says about other commenters here seriously. |
2011-06-17T20:51:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/scott-adams-male-chauvinist-peg/comment-page-3/#comment-28376 |
Difficult to believe. I suspect other motivesWell, they annoy me as well. I've posted more than 300 posts here. Only one of them is about something on isitnormal.com, and, yes, I think in that particular case the guy posting the question was sincere. A lot of the stuff posted there seems sincere. It's not all trolls. . Heck, it's not all trolls on Yahoo Answers either. |
2011-06-17T20:19:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-3/#comment-28368 |
Ozy, congrats on the new blog! I will put it in the Antidotes to Boobery list in the sidebar, which I finally got around to putting up today. Zombie, very nice, too bad it's in Wisconsin. MRAL,congratulations on your accomplishment as well. |
2011-06-17T20:06:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/17/all-weekend-open-thread-dance-andor-tea-party/comment-page-1/#comment-28362 |
Marc, I know that the people I write about here aren't representative of society at large; they're a small minority. They do, though, seem fairly representative of MRAs online. I'm just kind of fascinated by them. I'm pretty certain that the overwhelming majority of them are quite sincere in their beliefs. They're not, generally speaking, driven by a desire to shock anyone; the audience for most of these posts/comments/whatever is generally other people who share the same ideas. They get really angry when they're challenged. When people go to these sites and challenge them, they're often banned. If someone goes on Yahoo Answers, say, and says some outrageously misogynistic thing, there's a good chance they're trolling, spewing crap because they're anonymous and can get away with it. On The Spearhead, not so much. |
2011-06-17T19:54:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-3/#comment-28357 |
Molly, well, Scott Adams seems like a classic attention-seeker; he's probably both tickled by the attention and annoyed that he's not constantly being hailed as a genius. I don't worry too much about sending traffic to odious twits, because, hey, without odious twits what would I have to write about here? If someone seems dangerously unhinged, though, I generally don't link to them. |
2011-06-17T19:40:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/scott-adams-male-chauvinist-peg/comment-page-3/#comment-28352 |
NWO, it seems to me that you've made some wildly contradictory statements about your life. So could you indulge me for a moment and clear a few things up? You're some sort of specialized mechanic who's constantly jetting about the country to jobs, but you're poor? (Or at least not making much.) You were the inventor of some important electronic or mechanical component of something-or-other, that's used all the time, yet you never earned money for that? You've been so poor that you literally had no food for 200 non-consecutive days? Over what stretch of time was this? |
2011-06-17T17:30:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/scott-adams-male-chauvinist-peg/comment-page-2/#comment-28277 |
Ami, if nagging was a sport, ladies would totally dominate that!!! Amirite, fellas!? High five! Oh, wait, I think something just fell off the back of my neck. Fixed it! Women are perfect creatures. Men suck! |
2011-06-17T16:14:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/17/allow-me-to-unceremoniously-offer-my-view-on-feminism-is-not-a-good-pick-up-line/comment-page-1/#comment-28217 |
Dworkin lived with a guy for many years and not once did she kill him. As far as I know. | 2011-06-17T16:02:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/scott-adams-male-chauvinist-peg/comment-page-1/#comment-28212 |
My cat went 200 days without food. And that was just today! At least that's what one might conclude from her whole "I'm a poor starving kitty" act before I fed her dinner. Cats are a little bit melodramatic. Not unlike some commenters on this blog, except that in the case of cats they make up for it by being small and furry and adorable. |
2011-06-17T14:08:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/are-false-rape-accusations-the-fault-of-feminism/comment-page-6/#comment-28183 |
Slavey, you do realize it was Scott Adams who brought up the whole castration thing, right? | 2011-06-17T14:01:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/scott-adams-male-chauvinist-peg/comment-page-1/#comment-28182 |
FWIW, cartoon porn isn't new: http://www.tijuanabibles.org/ |
2011-06-17T02:12:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/bostonians-and-toronto-ites-man-boobz-party-time/comment-page-1/#comment-28123 |
MRAL:
I think that someone getting pushy in the middle of a club or having to say “no” twice, five seconds apart, is not “attempted rape”.And if you'd read the appropriate section of the survey, which took me all of a minute or so to find, you would see that the survey makers do NOT in fact define that as attempted rape. Here is the definition of attempted rape from the survey: Attempted rape Unwanted attempted penetration by force or the threat of force. Penetration includes: penile-vaginal, mouth on your genitals, mouth on someone else’s genitals, penile-anal, digital-vaginal, digital-anal, object-vaginal, and object-anal. |
2011-06-17T01:26:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/are-false-rape-accusations-the-fault-of-feminism/comment-page-6/#comment-28106 |
Yeah, that "best writer" bit is just silly. Also, I'm not banned there; I was invited to guest post while Jill was out of town. She came back. I stopped guest-posting. At some point I expect I will post there again. | 2011-06-17T01:16:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/scott-adams-male-chauvinist-peg/comment-page-1/#comment-28099 |
Victor, there is no truth to that, but there's also not much point in trying to rebut the crap that MRAs say about me; they're going to believe whatever they want about me regardless of what I say. | 2011-06-17T01:04:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/scott-adams-male-chauvinist-peg/comment-page-1/#comment-28092 |
aMiRA gives us Vagina Pinata! Also, though I think it was in another thread, "matronizing" instead of "patronizing." Meanwhile, NWO just gives us the same old same old. |
2011-06-17T00:26:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/are-false-rape-accusations-the-fault-of-feminism/comment-page-5/#comment-28077 |
notNick, point taken. I've reworded it. | 2011-06-16T23:17:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/scott-adams-male-chauvinist-peg/comment-page-1/#comment-28056 |
Victor -- hadn't seen that. I wrote this shortly after the whole thing erupted on Feministe, and don't have anything to add to that. | 2011-06-16T22:48:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/scott-adams-male-chauvinist-peg/comment-page-1/#comment-28030 |
Hey, where did Ami go? Wasn't she posting here earlier? | 2011-06-16T22:24:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/are-false-rape-accusations-the-fault-of-feminism/comment-page-4/#comment-27994 |
NWOslave:
Go to the society and learn Kirbywarp. http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/NWO, you do realize that my OP here is ABOUT A POST ON THE FALSE RAPE SOCIETY BLOG ... |
2011-06-16T20:05:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/are-false-rape-accusations-the-fault-of-feminism/comment-page-2/#comment-27814 |
Nobinayamu, I agree that the MRM is pretty much oblivious to issues of race (aside from those MRAs who are themselves explicitly racist; there's a degree of overlap between MRA circles and the "alternative right" today). There's a lot of complaining amongst (white) MRAs not only about how hard men supposedly have it these days, but specifically how hard white men supposedly have it. Similarly, MRAs complain that women get shorter prison sentences for committing the same crimes as men (which is true, though the gap is much less than they seem to think), but they never talk about the similar gap in sentencing between blacks and whites. Whites get as much of a "honky pass" as women get a "pussy pass," and that's not even counting the disparities in sentencing in drug crimes (crack-related offenses mean much stiffer sentences). And the concerns of MRAs about false accusations don't seem to extend to anyone accused of anything but rape. Nor do they seem to care about prison rape (which affects more men than women because more men than women are incarcerated) in anything but a rhetorical way; I've seen far more serious stuff about prison rape on feminist sites actually. I don't think I've ever seen a link to Just Detention on an MRA site. |
2011-06-16T17:23:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/are-false-rape-accusations-the-fault-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-27689 |
Nobinayamu, they mention The Innocence Project once in awhile, but basically the answer is no, they basically offer no support or publicity. Harlan does link to it on his blog, but it's buried in a long list of links off of the main page, unlike the MRA/misogynist blogs he highlights in his sidebar. | 2011-06-16T16:40:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/16/are-false-rape-accusations-the-fault-of-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-27681 |
Congrats Pecunium! And Sarah! | 2011-06-16T13:28:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/14/kitty-video-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-27647 |
Cactuar, well, you could always drop Yohan a line. He lives in Tokyo, and is a misogynist boob, but, hey, it's the right country, anyway. Lyn, I meant to do that. |
2011-06-16T02:10:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/bostonians-and-toronto-ites-man-boobz-party-time/comment-page-1/#comment-27610 |
Comment hall of fame, hm? Sounds like a plan. You guys should nominate some comments/threads. | 2011-06-16T02:05:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/14/meet-the-meat-market-makers/comment-page-3/#comment-27608 |
HA! We at Man Boobz have understood the dangers of turtles for some time. And masculine inadequacies. http://manboobz.com/2010/12/16/masculine-inadequacies-drive-women-nuts-also-turtles/ Somehow the picture got shrunk when it was moved from the old site. |
2011-06-15T21:36:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-2/#comment-27558 |
Marc is a meta-troll, trying to prove that all (or some) the MRA/MGTOWers/etc we talk about here are actually feminists pretending to be MRAs/MGTOWers, or dogs that can type, or something, by posting comments as it he is an MRA/MGTOWer. Not sure exactly what he -- or she, or they -- has proved except that it's very easy to impersonate MRAs/MGTOWers/etc because much of what they say is so predictable and wrong. I think to conclude from his experiment that all or most or even many of the people that I write about and we talk about here are secretly feminists pretending to be MRAs, or dogs who can type, or whatever, is a bit silly. No feminist or typing dog has the time or energy to come up with all the shit that gets regularly posted in the manosphere (and then to log back in under dozens of different names and IP addresses to upvote the most misogynist comments on The Spearhead). I think it's simpler to assume that the vast overwhelming majority of those people who post dozens or hundreds of comments on blogs and forums, who set up popular blogs, etc to advocate retrograde shit ... actually believe that shit. Marc: if you have proof -- or any evidence at all, really -- that any of the people I've written about are secretly feminist trolls, or whatever, please send it along! |
2011-06-15T19:48:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-2/#comment-27526 |
Marc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw&w=480&h=390 |
2011-06-15T17:10:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-1/#comment-27460 |
I assume by FIB you all are referring to Flying Inflatable Boats, and not something possibly derogatory towards people of my state. http://www.acronymfinder.com/FIB.html |
2011-06-15T17:05:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/bostonians-and-toronto-ites-man-boobz-party-time/comment-page-1/#comment-27455 |
Marc complained in an earlier thread that I was just picking on random anonymous internet postings (never mind that some of the people I quote aren't anonymous, and that most of them are well-known in the MRA/MGTOW community, etc). But it appears that Marc (also anonymous) actually agrees with most of the wacky shit the guys I quote on the blog think. Either than or he's trolling us with a parody of MRA misogyny. It's impossible to tell, since (unlike the guys I tend to quote) he doesn't have a track record of comments we can go back and look at. But if so, he's nowhere near as good as MRAmi. |
2011-06-15T16:59:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-1/#comment-27451 |
Hey, MRAL is pretty quick with the insults himself, but let's not all gang up on him. Best chooching scene in cinema history: Naomi Watts in Mullholland Drive! |
2011-06-15T15:53:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/11/blogger-slutwalkers-deserve-to-be-raped/comment-page-8/#comment-27420 |
Kave, again, my deepest sympathies. Really tough situation. Ami, I posted about the Toronto meetup. Thanks for helping to pull this together! |
2011-06-15T15:46:51-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/14/meet-the-meat-market-makers/comment-page-3/#comment-27412 |
Oldfeminist, exactly. Protip for dudes: if you want relationships free of immature drama, try dating women older than 20! | 2011-06-15T13:08:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/15/children-of-dudes/comment-page-1/#comment-27371 |
Ami, you really are frighteningly good at ... whatever that was. | 2011-06-15T00:53:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/14/meet-the-meat-market-makers/comment-page-2/#comment-27320 |
And yet none of the regular trolls showed up… Where did they all go?This appears to be film footage of what NWOslave was doing today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqq5fcPYrLs&feature=related It's must be him; he's got NWO written on his cheek in marker. |
2011-06-15T00:53:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/14/meet-the-meat-market-makers/comment-page-2/#comment-27319 |
Ami is frighteningly good at this. And Sarah, yeah, I've read a few Susan Walsh posts. Should probably write about her. But then I'd have to read even more of her posts. It's the Catch-22 of doing this blog. |
2011-06-14T21:10:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/14/meet-the-meat-market-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-27217 |
MRAL, you were on moderation b/c I didn't want this to turn into another thread about you. You're off moderation now. Just behave. | 2011-06-14T20:43:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/13/fun-with-charts-or-why-mgtowers-dont-understand-marriage-trends/comment-page-6/#comment-27201 |
That Dark Side Cat is a menace! | 2011-06-14T18:09:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/14/kitty-video-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-27148 |
MRAL, that's really not appropriate here. I've deleted that comment. If you don't understand why I felt it was inappropriate, email me. I've deleted/edited a couple of responses to the comment as well. We're moving on. |
2011-06-14T14:11:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/13/fun-with-charts-or-why-mgtowers-dont-understand-marriage-trends/comment-page-5/#comment-27075 |
Kave, so sorry to hear that. I wish the best for your daughter, your wife and you. | 2011-06-14T10:18:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/13/fun-with-charts-or-why-mgtowers-dont-understand-marriage-trends/comment-page-5/#comment-27036 |
Pecumium, woah! Comment deleted. Don't post stuff like that here. | 2011-06-14T01:35:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/11/blogger-slutwalkers-deserve-to-be-raped/comment-page-7/#comment-27006 |
Schala, I'm a bit confused as to the points you're trying to make here. What little I know about J., Michael Bailey seems to suggest that his research is pretty much bullshit ( for a number of reasons), and seems to be based on a lot of old stereotypes about gay men and trans women, as well as some dumb assumptions about sexuality in general. So I think we agree on that. But I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing it up. I agree that trans women prostitutes are probably seen by most people as basically being men (gay men) in drag. And male prostitutes are perceived as gay, but I think that's largely because most male prostitutes have male clients. But when most people think of prostitutes, they think of cis women prostitutes, and see prostitution generally as a female profession. Am I missing something here? EDIT: clarified a few points. |
2011-06-14T00:30:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/ozymandias-asks-who-cares-about-mens-rights/comment-page-3/#comment-27001 |
DSC, your comment is up now. Schala, where are those quotes from? J. Michael BAiley? |
2011-06-13T23:07:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/ozymandias-asks-who-cares-about-mens-rights/comment-page-3/#comment-26988 |
NWO, the fact that some people (MGTOWers and radical feminists, for example) want marriage to do away does not therefore mean that marriage will actually go away. | 2011-06-13T17:31:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/13/fun-with-charts-or-why-mgtowers-dont-understand-marriage-trends/comment-page-1/#comment-26673 |
tabby, I don't mind the rhetorical repetition of phrases -- I believe Martin Luther King may have repeated a few phrases from time to time -- but evidently the spam filter does! | 2011-06-13T17:18:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/11/blogger-slutwalkers-deserve-to-be-raped/comment-page-7/#comment-26666 |
Not sure, but I'm guessing the reason it got marked as spam was because of that repeated phrase. | 2011-06-13T17:04:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/11/blogger-slutwalkers-deserve-to-be-raped/comment-page-7/#comment-26656 |
Clearly it's a cat with a giant butt and only one ear. | 2011-06-13T16:58:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/12/mens-rights-reddit-explains-it-all-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-26654 |
Here's Tabby's comment, which did indeed get buried many pages back b/c I only just freed it from moderation:
Tabby Lavalamp | June 13, 2011 at 7:42 am One would think if rape would be about getting drunk and dressing like “sluts”, there would be no rape in conservative Islamic societies. One would think if rape would be about getting drunk and dressing like “sluts”, there would be no rape in nursing homes or of any other vulnerable elderly women. One would think if rape would be about getting drunk and dressing like “sluts”, the Catholic church wouldn’t be having a massive PR problem right now. One would think if rape would be about getting drunk and dressing like “sluts”, there would be no prison rape jokes because the idea of such a thing happening would be ludicrous. One would think if rape would be about getting drunk and dressing like “sluts”, rape wouldn’t be the war crime it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_rape Yet somehow rape is only the victim’s fault if she’s a woman within a certain age range (not a child, not elderly), drinks, and doesn’t dress in what men consider an appropriate manner. Though to be fair, to some fundamentalists religionists, women are always at fault which is why some societies still execute rape victims.http://manboobz.com/2011/06/11/blogger-slutwalkers-deserve-to-be-raped/comment-page-6/#comment-26531 |
2011-06-13T16:53:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/11/blogger-slutwalkers-deserve-to-be-raped/comment-page-7/#comment-26650 |
MRAL: I've gotten tired of this. I will urge you again to talk to a therapist/counselor. Seriously. It will help. But no more discussion of your eye or your height. Seriously: none. If you mention it again, I will put you on temporary moderation. More than that, permanent moderation. If you start a blog on the subject, I'll let you link to it when appropriate. |
2011-06-13T16:32:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/12/mens-rights-reddit-explains-it-all-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-26646 |
femalespectator: No netflix?!! Nightmare! Sarah: excellent! Manboobz meetups FTW!!! |
2011-06-12T03:20:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/the-return-of-the-all-weekend-open-thread-dance-party-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-26156 |
Let the right one in is so good! (I haven't seen the American version yet, but it's apparently OK.) femalespectator: what did you think of Audition? That one's pretty ... rough. But brilliant. If you liked it, you might want to try some others by the same director, takashi Miike: Ichii the Killer -- possibly the most violent movie I've ever seen, but it's also got a really dark sense of humor about it. Visitor Q -- a profile of a very fucked up family. Also darkly funny. |
2011-06-12T02:44:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/the-return-of-the-all-weekend-open-thread-dance-party-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-26150 |
“our first blaaaack President”DKM: Could you explain exactly why you felt the need to add three extra a's to the word "black?" What exactly were you trying to convey here? PEACE AND FREEDOM!!!!11!! |
2011-06-12T02:36:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/new-obedient-wives-club-in-malaysia-wives-should-be-submissive-helpmeets-and-first-class-whores/comment-page-2/#comment-26148 |
The Spearhead has now noticed Ozy's post: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/06/11/feminist-weltschmerz/ |
2011-06-11T17:34:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/ozymandias-asks-who-cares-about-mens-rights/comment-page-2/#comment-25944 |
Kendra, good to know you're hanging in there! | 2011-06-11T16:56:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/03/friday-night-open-thread-dance-party/comment-page-2/#comment-25939 |
Interesting how many people have seen Korean horror films! There are quite a few great ones out there. Aside from The Host and Save the Green Planet, I'd recommend: Thirst, a vampire movie by the director of Oldboy (also a great, great film, as is Lady Vengeance, another of his films). Pretty gory, but like his other films very smart. http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Thirst/70114016#height2778 Spider Forest, a good creepy psychological horror film. Some gore, minimal spiders. http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Spider_Forest/70039494#height2554 Also, though it's more a police procedural than a horror film, Memories of Murder is also quite good: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Memories_of_Murder/70035995#height2862 Korean movies tend to be quite long, and these are no exception, so be prepared for that. |
2011-06-11T16:53:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/the-return-of-the-all-weekend-open-thread-dance-party-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-25937 |
MissPrism, yeah, they don't let lady surgeons operate on real people. They just give them the game "Operation" and tell them they're operating on a midget. Those dumb gals are too stupid to even realize it's not a real person! | 2011-06-11T03:02:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/new-obedient-wives-club-in-malaysia-wives-should-be-submissive-helpmeets-and-first-class-whores/comment-page-1/#comment-25859 |
Interesting so many people mention The Ring, because it's one of the few horror movies I've seen that really gave me the heebie jeebies. I love horror films by most of them don't really scare me that much. I think that's the case with a lot of horror fans, actually, while some non-horror fans avoid the genre because the films affect them so much (like hellkell said), Also, Save The Green Planet is really pretty awesome. Gory, yes, and long, but twisted and really darkly funny. As for the sexuality of the guys in the Calvaire dance sequence, well, that's not altogether clear, but I took them to be straight dudes who were doing their best to make do in an area curiously devoid of women. You kind of have to see the movie ... which I would recommend. It is pretty violent, though, so be warned. Sarah, not everyone can pull of a shaved head but you clearly can. Hair, also good. |
2011-06-11T02:59:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/the-return-of-the-all-weekend-open-thread-dance-party-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-25858 |
Hippodameia The Von Braun reference, as Ozy has said, was not a serious comparison of feminists to Nazis. It was a reference to a satirical song by Tom Lehrer. A bit of an obscure reference, and clearly not many people got it (I didn't get it until Ozy mentioned Lehrer and I googled the phrase she quoted from the song.) But that's what it was, a reference to a satirical song (by a Jewish songwriter who was was reacting to Von Braun being allowed to work in the US). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer The lyrics to the song Ozy was referring to:: http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/wernherv.htm The song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro |
2011-06-11T02:26:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/10/ozymandias-asks-who-cares-about-mens-rights/comment-page-2/#comment-25854 |
Seals and sea lions both look like kitties (their faces, anyway), and I love them all equally. | 2011-06-10T16:41:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-15/#comment-25697 |
The exact numbers are less clear for women, but women and men suffer prison rape and sexual abuse at about the same rates; the reason there are far more men raped in prison than women is because there are far more men in prison. The people who suffer the highest rates of abuse, by far, are LGBT. | 2011-06-10T15:04:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-15/#comment-25684 |
Katz, I thought you were some sort of laughing sea lion. But hey, sea lion, non-sea lion, what's the difference, really? I had a dream last night in which I was in some weird underground world in which everyone was very, very stupid. I found a secret group of people who weren't so stupid, but we were being hunted down and had to escape into another even deeper underground world. We nonetheless were able to communicate with people in Brazil, who lowered down some Orangina for us. |
2011-06-09T23:52:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-15/#comment-25564 |
dreamhouse, feel free to jump into the conversation. There are a couple of other commenters here from your, er, hemisphere. And some in the US like me who keep very very late hours. | 2011-06-09T23:35:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/09/meetups-and-book-clubs-all-tied-up-with-string-these-are-a-few-of-my-favorite-things/comment-page-1/#comment-25556 |
Ami, sure, I'd be happy to donate the store profits to Doctress J. (I've gotten one check so far from Zazzle, not a ton of $ but something, I have yet to deposit it; the original plan was to send the $ to Planned Parenthood). | 2011-06-09T23:24:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/09/meetups-and-book-clubs-all-tied-up-with-string-these-are-a-few-of-my-favorite-things/comment-page-1/#comment-25545 |
So it looks like we've got two midwest contingents: some folks in Chicago (or who could make it to Chicago), and some folks in Madison/Milwaukee. So maybe we need two meetups? Chicago: Me, Capt. Awkward, Mediumdave Out of town folks who say they can make it to Chicago: Absinthe, Rachel, tofu nutloaf, Bee Wisconsin contingent: Milwaukee: Absinthe (could attend Chicago) Zombie, Madison: Swedenfish Doctress Julia Other Midwesterners: Urbana: Tofu nutloaf (could attend Chicago) Kansas: Rachel (might make Chicago) |
2011-06-09T23:19:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/09/meetups-and-book-clubs-all-tied-up-with-string-these-are-a-few-of-my-favorite-things/comment-page-1/#comment-25542 |
Ami, yeah, the comment was filtered for the c-word. It's up now. (The c-word is allowed so long as it's not directed at someone.) | 2011-06-09T15:15:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/09/abortion-mens-rights-and-that-asshole-in-new-mexico/comment-page-2/#comment-25220 |
The Fultz segment is over. He did not, I think, come off well; something seemed a bit off about him. The news anchor asked a few tough questions, but obviously didn't know all the details of the case -- he said he never threatened his ex, but the anchor didn't follow up with a question about his violent comments online. Nor did she comment about him naming his faux organization after his ex when he said it wasn't really about his ex but about father's rights. His lawyer was, as you might expect, a lot more articulate, and made it all about "free speech" but he was only asked one or two questions. Most of the segment was Fultz. |
2011-06-09T15:01:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/09/abortion-mens-rights-and-that-asshole-in-new-mexico/comment-page-2/#comment-25207 |
FULTZ IS ON CNN RIGHT THIS SECOND | 2011-06-09T14:49:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/09/abortion-mens-rights-and-that-asshole-in-new-mexico/comment-page-2/#comment-25200 |
Also, I freed some comments from first-time commenters from moderation. And one from Victoria. Scroll up and read! | 2011-06-09T14:47:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-14/#comment-25199 |
MRAL, dude, NO VIOLENT COMMENTS. Seriously. I'm putting you on moderation for a day or so. Seriously, say all the bad things about feminism you want, talk about your eye, I don't care, but stop talking about punching people. | 2011-06-09T14:41:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-14/#comment-25196 |
Someone above posted a link to Fultz' violent tweets about his ex, and I think the link is worth reposting: http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979418806 There were a lot more than the ones listed; if anyone has a link to all of them (which I saw when I first looked into the story), please post it! |
2011-06-09T14:18:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/09/abortion-mens-rights-and-that-asshole-in-new-mexico/comment-page-2/#comment-25180 |
Julia, so sorry! Shaenon, I second The Apple. Everyone should see it. A local oddball theater company does live readings of bad movies, and did The Apple last summer (and will reprise it this summer). Everyone in the audience got BIM marks! Still have to see the Nic Cage Wicker Man (have just seen bits on Youtube -- the bees!). The original is actually a great creepy film. |
2011-06-09T04:21:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-12/#comment-24970 |
Victoria, instead of a "we hunted the mammoth to feed you" sign, might I suggest a t-shirt? Bee, cool. Chicago represent!!!! Oh, and New England meetup people, let me know the details once you get it sorted out and I can plug the meetup in a post. This goes for any MB meetups, of course, |
2011-06-09T01:26:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-12/#comment-24938 |
Also: Boston manboobz meetup = awesome! I will be in Boston later this summer, so maybe I can get in on some future meetup action. Any Man Boobzers in the midwest? Zombie, you're in wisconsin? I'm in Chicago, as are several MB readers I know. Hmm. |
2011-06-08T23:55:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-11/#comment-24884 |
So, MRAL, start hanging out with Asians then. Actually, in all seriousness,I will repeat what a bunch of people have said already: talk to a counselor. Your obsessions about your body (and your belief that you're some kind of mutant) sound a lot like Body Dysmorphic Disorder. http://www.pamguide.com.au/anxiety/bdd_test.php Just from what you've said here, it looks like you would answer "yes" to most of the questions on the quiz. More on it: http://www.medicinenet.com/body_dysmorphic_disorder/article.htm If this is what you have, you can get treatment for it -- medication or therapy. I suffer from chronic depression. I've known numerous people with depression, with bipolar disorder, with schizophrenia, with OCD, with eating disorders. Mental disorders can really fuck up your life, but they are TREATABLE. Medication and/or therapy won't make the problem go away, but they can help enormously. Seriously: talk to a therapist. | 2011-06-08T23:51:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-11/#comment-24880 |
I leave you guys for a couple hours to, you know, have dinner and write a post for tomorrow, and somehow we're back again talking about MRAL's fucking EYE!!!11???? I will say it again, MRAL: David Bowie. The pupil on one of his eyes is paralyzed and the two eyes are completely different colors. He's chosen to just GO WITH IT. Some people think it makes him look cool -- well, cool[er]. And if you want to look taller, go with some giant glam rock boots. That worked pretty well for David Bowie too. |
2011-06-08T22:27:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-8/#comment-24660 |
filet, I've been meaning to write about that dude; I think what's holding me back is that I just get depressed thinking about it. | 2011-06-08T17:30:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-3/#comment-24345 |
Joe, I think you've misplaced the decimal point. He's a 0.65/10 male. | 2011-06-08T14:43:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/07/the-persistence-of-prejudice/comment-page-2/#comment-24220 |
Confidential to anon: I can't let that comment of yours through due to the language. I do appreciate the link. email me for more details. | 2011-06-08T14:29:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-24203 |
A good substantive comment by Kes got held in moderation; it's up now, and worth scrolling up to read. Buffybot, I've seen that Masters of Horror "Pro Life" episode. It's ok; not great, but sort of interesting and not the worst way to spend an hour. But that wikipedia entry for it is TERRIBLE! It gives away the big plot twist in the first sentence! Boo! Also, I'm going to add a little bit to the piece about how obviously ridiculous them dying on the "operating table" was. |
2011-06-08T13:51:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/08/the-life-zone-if-saw-and-human-centipede-had-a-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-24184 |
I just un-moderated a couple of comments from a new commenter, David K. Meller. Well, sort of new; you may have seen a comment or two of his from The Spearhead quoted in one of my old posts. Anyway, scroll up and read them. And discuss! PEACE AND FREEDOM11!!!11!! |
2011-06-07T20:57:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/07/the-persistence-of-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-24060 |
Churls! I had to look that one up. I'm going to have to start using it. |
2011-06-07T16:03:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/07/the-persistence-of-prejudice/comment-page-1/#comment-23993 |
Bee, it is a well-known fact that dogs drive cars, as this picture shows quite clearly: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51H3KBXYLjL._SL500_.jpg |
2011-06-07T14:26:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/06/life-before-feminism-playing-old-maid/comment-page-3/#comment-23984 |
CB, ha! I guessed correctly on the quiz! Then I googled the quote, because google is RIGHT THERE and I sort of couldn't help it. But I won't reveal the answer in case anyone else wants to try. | 2011-06-07T01:54:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/06/life-before-feminism-playing-old-maid/comment-page-3/#comment-23944 |
Seriously, that movie is beyond creepy. I think I'll have to write about it in my next post. I kept expecting the doctor to tell them that after they gave birth they would be sewn together, mouth to anus, into a Human Centipede. |
2011-06-06T17:29:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/04/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-part-2-poetry-slam/comment-page-2/#comment-23790 |
ithiliana, I read and really liked The Shy Stegosaurus of Cricket Creek too! | 2011-06-05T22:18:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/05/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-3-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-3/#comment-23699 |
Oh, and like Nobinayamu, I too remember the names of a lot of the authors I read as a kid: Mark Alan Stamaty, Tomi Ungerer, Maurice Sendak, Norton Juster, Madeleine L'Engle, Lewis Carroll. I also read a lot of Mad magazine, and I knew the names of a lot of the artists and writers for it. There were also plenty of books whose authors I never paid attention to and can't remember now. There was a book I loved called The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet. I actually went and bought myself a copy of it recently; no idea where the original went, yet I still had to look up the author's name: Eleanor Cameron. Memory is weird like that. Also, I just noticed that a couple of the authors I've listed here were women. Oh noes! Obviously I was a mangina even then. |
2011-06-05T17:57:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/05/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-3-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-2/#comment-23587 |
Yes, NWO, it's true; there are actually a lot of great books out there to read (by women and by men); no one will ever be able to read them all. Heck, I'd be hard pressed to read all of the books I already own. (I'm a bit of a book hoarder, plus I buy a lot of books that I really really mean to read but never get around to. I've probably read half of the ones I own, and that's taken literally decades.) | 2011-06-05T17:49:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/05/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-3-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-2/#comment-23581 |
WTF Price won't let this go. He's got yet another post on women writers up now, this one noting that VS Naipaul doesn't think much of them. http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/06/05/vs-naipaul-women-writers-unequal/ Again, VS Naipaul really is one of the greatest writers alive today. But he is, by all accounts, a complete utter fucking asshole, so it's not altogether shocking that he's also a misogynist. |
2011-06-05T17:44:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/05/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-3-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-2/#comment-23574 |
Jodi (welcome to man boobz!), apparently NWO does read a decent amount; it's just that his idea of great literature is -- quite literally -- Star Wars novels written by, well, whoever it is that writes Star Wars novels. | 2011-06-05T17:09:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/05/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-3-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-1/#comment-23544 |
Here are some more living women novelists I don’t think anyone else has mentioned yet: Joan Didion AS Byatt PD James Alison Lurie Iris Murdoch Margaret Drabble Erica Jong Joyce Carol Oates Pagan Kennedy Barbara Ehrenreich (yes, she’s written at least one novel) I’m much more of a nonfiction guy, so I’ll mention one totally awesome living woman nonfiction writer too: Janet Malcolm Oh, and just so you know, NWO, when I choose a book to read the first thing I look for is the book’s author; I suspect that’s the case with most readers, and why bookstores tend to stock fiction by the author’s name. I don’t choose books based on gender, but on whether or not I think I’ll enjoy them. But many of the books I choose to read are in fact written by women. I know, shocking, right? No need to do a search online. I've read books (multiple books, in some cases) by all of these writers except (I confess) AS Byatt and PD James. (I've seen awesome movies based on books by both of them -- Angels and Insects (Byatt) and Children of Men (James). Does that count?) Why do you assume people here have to do online searches to come up with these names? People do actually read books by women without being forced to. Heck, I've seen them do it. In public, even! |
2011-06-05T17:02:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/05/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-3-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-1/#comment-23538 |
I'm guessing every single statement in that comment isn't true. The NWOslave Ratio lives! | 2011-06-05T16:37:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/05/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-3-electric-boogaloo/comment-page-1/#comment-23529 |
I love Ciccone Youth. Better than regular Sonic Youth, actually.
Also: Dumb MRA blog headline of the day:
1 in 10 Falsely Accused of Violence-Still Think it’s A Minority?http://riseofthezetamale.blogspot.com/2011/06/1-in-10-falsely-accused-of-violence.html |
2011-06-05T00:04:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/03/friday-night-open-thread-dance-party/comment-page-2/#comment-23442 |
zombie: all you have to do is post the link, and WP posts it as an inline video. | 2011-06-04T23:52:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/04/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-part-2-poetry-slam/comment-page-2/#comment-23440 |
Also, while I'm posting videos, here's a great song by punk poet John Cooper Clarke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DQRWeTWos |
2011-06-04T23:31:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/04/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-part-2-poetry-slam/comment-page-2/#comment-23432 |
I don't know who wrote "the band played waltzing matilda," but The Pogues did a great version of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZqN1glz4JY&feature=related |
2011-06-04T23:30:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/04/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-part-2-poetry-slam/comment-page-2/#comment-23430 |
New challenge: try to find a song that syncs up with the dancing guys above! (The Fall's "Telephone Thing" does, at least for a couple of bars before drifting out of sync.) Also, I'm renaming this thread so the party can run all weekend. |
2011-06-04T17:32:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/03/friday-night-open-thread-dance-party/comment-page-2/#comment-23380 |
Inspired by Mandolin, I have also reworked a classic poem: HOP POP We like to hop We like to hop on top of pop STOP You must not hop on pop Fuck you, pop, this is what you get For 3500 years of patriarchy, you bastard |
2011-06-04T17:17:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/04/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-part-2-poetry-slam/comment-page-1/#comment-23378 |
Bee, I think you're right. These guys tend to be really really literal about things. Also, even if a poem really IS about chickens, which this one isn't, since when does the ostensible subject matter of a poem determine its quality? Basho used to write haikus about frogs, for fuck's sake. They wouldn't have been better if he's been writing about Kubla Khan. And speaking of Coleridge, didn't he write some big long poem about a dumb bird? (Note to literal-minded MRAs: I am making a joke here.) | 2011-06-04T14:51:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/04/the-spearhead-on-lady-lit-part-2-poetry-slam/comment-page-1/#comment-23356 |
The Pipettes! My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult! Motorhead! B.A.D.! Big Country! All right, now I'm going to have to make a self-referential mixtape. I actually just watched the movie from which the thrill kill kult got the "and this is what the devil does" sample from. Very odd Mexican horror movie, in English, called Alucarda. |
2011-06-04T00:03:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/03/friday-night-open-thread-dance-party/comment-page-1/#comment-23263 |
Nobinayamu, I still think he likes her. Not many guys would do that. | 2011-06-03T22:39:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/03/fear-and-loathing-on-a-date/comment-page-6/#comment-23221 |
FWIW, MRAL has made more than one violent comment here. It wasn't just the elevator thing. | 2011-06-03T17:40:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/03/fear-and-loathing-on-a-date/comment-page-3/#comment-22989 |
Aw, man, VS Naipaul IS one of the most brilliant writers on the earth at the moment. It's too bad he's also one of the biggest assholes as well. Elizabeth: I'm wearing a cape and tights right now! |
2011-06-03T14:05:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/31/the-gropes-of-wrath/comment-page-7/#comment-22826 |
Brovery!!! Also, I got all five ponycorns. Took me a while to find the key, I have to confess. |
2011-06-02T23:25:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/02/askmen-coms-creepy-dude-survey/comment-page-3/#comment-22723 |
I'm not sure I expect the MRM ever to be advanced or mature. One reason for this is that there is basically no serious self-criticism of the violent rhetoric and misogyny within the movement. I think whatever progress is made on the issue of DV against men will be by people who have basically zero connection to the MRAs I write about here. |
2011-06-02T15:40:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-6/#comment-22596 |
Schala, then good for Toy Soldiers and Daran. As for the fact that some people are opposed to this funding, well, guess what? Every single political and social movement has faced opposition. Back when activists started the first shelters for women, there was no govt. money for them. It took years of activism and advocacy, against considerable opposition, before there was any money set aside for DV shelters for women. What do political and social movements do when they face opposition? 1) They try to convince people who don't give a shit about the issue that there is a problem. I'm guessing that the MRM who responded to that "baby rapist" ad with threats and violent rhetoric didn't exactly help the cause. Nor does making jokes about DV and rape, or otherwise trivializing violence towards women. 2) They try to win over those on the other side, if they can. One of the greatest victories of the civil rights movement was convincing millions of racist whites that racism was wrong. Harassing donors to a shelter that has ads you don't like isn't a great way to win over those on the "other side" who may well be sympathetic to your cause. 2) Of course, there are people who can't be won over to your side. So you try to get people more sympathetic to them into positions of power. When the suffragettes were campaigning for the vote, they faced a lot of opposition from those in power. They couldn't exactly vote allies into office because -- oh yeah -- they didn't have tghe vote. They persisted and won. The fact that the people you've selected as the main villains here are feminists and/or women doesn't mean that all feminists and/or women are the enemy, as many in the MRM seem to assume. I and a lot of the mostly feminist readers of this blog would in fact be supportive of a movement to address DV directed at men. (Does this mean building a male shelter for every female shelter? At the moment, we don't know what would be the best solution for men.) But by and large MRAs seem much less interested in actually campaigning for DV services for men and far, far more interested in using he issue as an excuse to bash feminists (and in some cases women). I can't support that. |
2011-06-02T15:14:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-6/#comment-22576 |
Kratch, can you show me one example of the MRM actually trying to raise money for shelters for men and/or lobbying the government for funding? Not complaining about it online, harassing people who put out ads about DV you don't like, but actually trying to raise money for a concrete project that helps men. |
2011-06-02T14:28:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-6/#comment-22558 |
Lyn, yes, there is something a little amusing about 20 year olds who assume that because they aren't fat that staying slim forever is a piece of cake. Protip: People tend to gain weight as they age. Some, like me, go from being positively skinny to being fat. Where do somewhat tallish but not really all that tall guys who are also fat fit in the greek system, I wonder? |
2011-06-02T00:02:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/31/the-gropes-of-wrath/comment-page-5/#comment-22428 |
Bee, don't compare Chelsea Handler to the awful Tucker Max! Her book "My Horizontal Life" is actually quite good. She's politically, er, problematic in various ways, but is often quite hilarious. I'm usually skeptical of books by comedians -- a lot of the time their humor doesn't translate well to the printed page -- but she's a pretty engaging writer. | 2011-06-01T16:54:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/01/no-i-wont-read-your-literature-bitch-and-other-thoughts-on-female-fiction-from-the-dudes-of-the-spearhead/comment-page-4/#comment-22220 |
MRAL, the more I read your comments the more I think you really need to go talk to a therapist and/or a psychiatrist. Your sensitivity to slights (and perceived slights) and your loathing of your own body (the eye, your perceived shortness) could very well be symptoms of depression. When I was your age (and through my early twenties) I suffered from untreated depression. I was also acutely sensitive about being slighted/ignored, etc.; I hated my body. When I finally started taking antidepressants, not only did it lift my mood, it also made me much more resilient (and able to brush off slights and perceived slights). Here's something I wrote about depression not that long after I started taking Prozac. Some of it might be relevant to you. (Reading it now, it's good to see that some of the less-than-helpful attitudes towards antidepressants I wrote about have changed for the better since then.) http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/reflections-the-sickness-of-the-soul/Content?oid=883679 I still deal with depression today, but my life is a hell of a lot better than it was when I was untreated. |
2011-06-01T15:11:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/31/the-gropes-of-wrath/comment-page-4/#comment-22168 |
Here's a piece in The Independent on the Percy/Mary Shelley Frankenstein-writing controversy. He worked with her quite extensively as an editor as she was writing the book, but didn't write it. Fun fact: editors often make enormous changes to books and articles. | 2011-06-01T14:30:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/01/no-i-wont-read-your-literature-bitch-and-other-thoughts-on-female-fiction-from-the-dudes-of-the-spearhead/comment-page-3/#comment-22144 |
Sorry that so many women here have had experience with this kind of harassment! (Or any kind.) Here's another personal story -- it's a comment that got held in moderation (thought I'd approved it but somehow hadn't) and which I wanted to make sure people saw: http://manboobz.com/2011/05/31/the-gropes-of-wrath/comment-page-1/#comment-21780 Welcome to the blog, min0u! |
2011-06-01T02:14:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/31/the-gropes-of-wrath/comment-page-2/#comment-21848 |
Thanks, everyone. I'm still mulling it over. Will definitely do some open threads, still thinking about a forum. | 2011-05-31T15:44:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/29/does-man-boobz-need-its-own-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-21744 |
I'm just going to ignore all this placenta talk because, frankly, it makes me hungry. Anyhoo, I just freed a couple of posts from moderation, including one from Slavey, which got stuck in moderation not because of "truth" but because it had a bunch of links in it. (Keep it down to 4 or so per comment and they should go through.) Also a post from an MRA which includes this baffling utterance: "Trogdor’s point is perfectly valid." |
2011-05-31T15:40:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/30/trogdor005-awaits-the-apocalypse-which-will-totally-put-those-bitchy-single-moms-in-their-place/comment-page-4/#comment-21743 |
Nimue, maybe we should start agitating for "MRA Dress Up as a Woman Day." | 2011-05-31T15:29:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/31/the-gropes-of-wrath/comment-page-1/#comment-21740 |
RenKiss, I do apologize. I may have accidentally sent Eoghan to your blog; I linked to that post of yours and, despite being banned here, I guess he still reads the comments here. He's, er, very very chatty once he gets going. | 2011-05-30T21:08:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/30/trogdor005-awaits-the-apocalypse-which-will-totally-put-those-bitchy-single-moms-in-their-place/comment-page-2/#comment-21590 |
Oh, and welcome aboard, Stanly and RenKiss! | 2011-05-30T18:19:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/30/trogdor005-awaits-the-apocalypse-which-will-totally-put-those-bitchy-single-moms-in-their-place/comment-page-1/#comment-21523 |
Just freed a bunch of comments from the purgatory of moderation. Including some from a brand-new MRA commenter, so scroll up and read them! | 2011-05-30T18:17:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/30/trogdor005-awaits-the-apocalypse-which-will-totally-put-those-bitchy-single-moms-in-their-place/comment-page-1/#comment-21522 |
Molly, have faith. "If you post it, they will come." | 2011-05-30T15:55:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/30/trogdor005-awaits-the-apocalypse-which-will-totally-put-those-bitchy-single-moms-in-their-place/comment-page-1/#comment-21496 |
Ami, yeah the apocalypse fantasy is popular with all sorts of people, whom invariably portray the post-apocalyptic world as a big object lesson in why they were right all along. In the midst of all that Y2K paranoia the Utne Reader people put out a special supplement on what to do when the Y2K apocalypse came. It turned out, basically, to be a happy cooperative world headed up by Utne Reader subscribers, who had quickly assembled little local co-ops to take care of everybody. I wrote about it at the time: http://dimflash.blogspot.com/2007/06/apocalypse-later-y2k-letdown.html |
2011-05-30T15:51:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/30/trogdor005-awaits-the-apocalypse-which-will-totally-put-those-bitchy-single-moms-in-their-place/comment-page-1/#comment-21491 |
Uh, no one has said that men don't deserve respect. Both men and women deserve respect, not so much as men and women, but as human beings. I have never ever ever suggested otherwise. You may want to loosen your ideological blinders a little bit; they're cramping your ability to read. | 2011-05-30T15:32:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/01/06/trogdor005-goes-ghost/comment-page-2/#comment-21487 |
I don't want to screw with the dynamic of the discussion threads as they are now; if I open up the forums it will be something extra, not a replacement for discussion here. I will definitely do some open/social threads on fri/sat. for those interested in that. And I'll keep thinking about forums. I'm taking in all the different points of view here. |
2011-05-29T20:47:34-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/29/does-man-boobz-need-its-own-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-21419 |
Hmm. More support for forums than I expected. I'm actually sort of leaning towards forums now myself. But I also see the appeal of open threads. So I'm thinking maybe we should do a combination, with open/social threads on weekends for the sorts of conversations that were going on here friday and saturday night. Here's what I see as some of the pros and cons: Forums, pro: Gives readers the chance to start their own topics, and deal with stuff I haven't written about. For example, I haven't written about slutwalks and the MRA response to them (yet). Also allows talk on related subjects that don't quite fit into the purview of the blog. Allows people to talk about what they want without worrying about derailing topics. Offers the opportunity for off-topic talk Cons: Could drain energy from the blog discussion Will our MRA pals come along for the ride? (I want them to.) A hassle -- another site, registering for it. Open threads: Pros: Good for the sort of free-for all conversations we've been having here in recent days. Easy to set up, requires no extra registration for users. Cons: Might lack focus. When would I have them? On weekends? When else? IRC/Chatroom: Leaning against this. I think it sort of complicates things, and I like the sort of thing we had going this weekend, a mix of short comments and longer ones. And people can go back and read them later, or go away for a couple of hours and catch up with an ongoing conversation (which is what I was doing last night); don't have to be there right when it's happening. Right now I'm fiddling with a forum on proboards. Very simple, straightforward, lots of useful features for commenters and admins. It's almost all set, could go live any minute. But I'd like to hear from anyone who has had experience with different free forums to let me know if proboards is the best choice. Thoughts on any of this? |
2011-05-29T18:13:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/29/does-man-boobz-need-its-own-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-21409 |
Holly, hmm. I think you may be right. Or maybe open threads. I think I might just have to open a thread for suggestions. |
2011-05-29T00:46:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/28/saturday-morning-cartoons-choosing-a-husband-and-the-worlds-first-pua/comment-page-3/#comment-21345 |
I hope to god that hamster shows are nothing like donkey shows. | 2011-05-29T00:00:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/28/saturday-morning-cartoons-choosing-a-husband-and-the-worlds-first-pua/comment-page-3/#comment-21316 |
MRAL, cool it with the violent stuff. | 2011-05-28T22:48:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/28/saturday-morning-cartoons-choosing-a-husband-and-the-worlds-first-pua/comment-page-2/#comment-21244 |
MRAL, you know that Ricky Gervais' comedy partner, Stephen Merchant, is 6"7" tall? So he may be with you on the fat thing (despite being himself fat until very recently), but he's consorting with the enemy (tall guys). |
2011-05-28T19:21:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/28/saturday-morning-cartoons-choosing-a-husband-and-the-worlds-first-pua/comment-page-1/#comment-21153 |
Scrabble, watching "The Soup," mocking MRAs. | 2011-05-28T17:03:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-10/#comment-21120 |
Bee and Absinthe, forgot to mention: I actually just discovered the Comics Curmudgeon a couple of days ago. Pretty entertaining. I may have to do a post about Miss Buxley at some point. | 2011-05-28T16:13:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/28/saturday-morning-cartoons-choosing-a-husband-and-the-worlds-first-pua/comment-page-1/#comment-21113 |
Nothing against Toni Morrison. (I really liked Song of Solomon). It just seems an exceedingly odd reading choice for an MRA. | 2011-05-28T15:26:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-6/#comment-21108 |
And a maxi-pad! | 2011-05-28T15:23:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-5/#comment-21107 |
Also, I'm pretty sure that Men's Rights Acivist Lieutenant up there is a troll too. I think I'm going to have to disallow Mr. Acivist though. Too sneaky. EDIT: Oops. He's real. At least as real as the real MRAL, because they're the same guy. (Assuming MRAL is a guy and not a group of women. Inside joke.) | 2011-05-28T15:17:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/28/saturday-morning-cartoons-choosing-a-husband-and-the-worlds-first-pua/comment-page-1/#comment-21104 |
Kratch, give it up. You're misreading the ads. | 2011-05-28T15:05:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-5/#comment-21101 |
The fact that MRAL has apparently read some Toni Morrison and would contemplate reading more also makes me wonder again if he is a troll. Well, that and a million other things. | 2011-05-28T15:03:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-5/#comment-21100 |
Kirby reworked some songs and somehow they got caught by the spam filter, but they're up now! Pam, nice! I think we should make a rule that men cannot opine about femininity unless they are at that very moment wearing a dress and heels. |
2011-05-28T14:59:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-5/#comment-21098 |
Oh, Arnie, such a romantic! | 2011-05-28T04:10:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-9/#comment-21051 |
Kratch, there's not much point in discussing this with you if 1) you can't fucking parse the simple sentences in the Family Place ads 2) you just keep making shit up about what I believe.
Darque, or should I say Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarque, adding vowels to words does not improve a vapid argument.
Either some feminists can aknowledge those flaws and work to correct them or they can continue to make mistakes that will cause men, in large numbers, to continue to reject and resist their message.If you don't think feminists "acknowledge flaws" and/or critique one another, you really don't know much about feminism. And you probably haven't read much of this blog or its comments section. It's not the "flaws of feminism" that caused most of the antifeminists I run across online to reject feminism. How do I know this? Because the vast overwhelming majority of them don't actually know shit about feminism. Most of those I run across are misogynists; they've made up a caricature of feminism to provide them with a convenient enemy and an excuse to bash women. Even those who aren't misogynists don't seem to know much about feminism beyond a few random quotes (real or imaginary) from Andrea Dworkin and pals. And it's very rare that the antifeminists who aren't misogynists actually criticize the misogyny that's everywhere in the "manosphere." |
2011-05-28T01:37:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-5/#comment-21042 |
Hmm. Men's Rights Major Major Major? | 2011-05-27T23:13:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-5/#comment-21018 |
I could have sworn I just posted this comment, but it seems to have vanished. Anyway: Spear, those pics are fantastic! By coincidence, I have been watching a bunch of lesbian vampire movies over the last week or so, all inspired (loosely) by the Carmilla story. The best of the bunch: The Blood-Spattered Bride, a Spanish film (dubbed awkwardly in English) from the early 70s. |
2011-05-27T23:12:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-5/#comment-21017 |
Kratch, the "Family Place" ads did NOT suggest that all men were abusers. They suggested that boys who witness abuse are more likely to become abusers, that girls who witness abuse are more likely to end up in relationships with abusers. You can see the ads here: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2008/12/02/anti-feminists-protest-domestic-violence-awareness-ads-in-dallas/ Explain to me how exactly you conclude that these ads depict "all men" as abusers. Now, if you wanted to suggest that the ad campaign erred by only dealing with male-on-female abuse, well, I would agree with you on that. I don't think the shelter should have pulled the ads that were up, but instead they should have added another ad depicting the problem of female-on-male abuse. The people at The Family Place are certainly aware of such abuse, as they provide help for men as well as women. Instead of trying to work constructively with the shelter, Sacks launched a campaign designed to hurt the fundraising efforts of the shelter. That's just appalling. If you are concerned about male abuse victims, trying to fuck with the funding of a shelter that helps both women and men is a pretty backwards way to "help." |
2011-05-27T22:57:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-5/#comment-21014 |
Actually, NWO, there was inflation in the 19th century. And deflation, sometimes. Economically speaking, deflation is worse. (EDITED TO ADD: Well, hyperinflation is worse. Not the inflation we have now.) http://www.minneapolisfed.org/community_education/teacher/calc/hist1800.cfm Your $50 in 1850 would be worth about $44 in 1880. http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi Well, assuming you didn't lose it all in the Panic of 1873. |
2011-05-27T20:31:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-4/#comment-20938 |
Not really relevant to anything, but I was sort of amused by the missing comma in this comment from NWO:
Heres the constitution Bee.The Constitution Bee sounds like a character on some saturday morning cartoon civics education show. Also, meet several other bees: http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll5l6a6y0Y1qabj53o1_500.jpg I have to admit that I'm sort of a Don't Bee. Though I'm a lot happier than that dude. |
2011-05-27T20:20:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-4/#comment-20934 |
Arnie, by your logic the world is ruled by cats. They don't do shit, but expect to be fed and petted every day. My cat definitely sees humans -- me in particular -- to be better servants than other cats, who can't open cans of cat food, among other things. My cat just showed up on a friend's doorstep one night, demanding to be fed. What an entitled princess! Also, she was pregnant, so obviously a slut. |
2011-05-27T18:39:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-9/#comment-20870 |
MRAL, I hate to tell you this, but a lot of writers are fat. So if you're going to rule out reading things by fat people, you're going to have to tread pretty carefully. And some writers are tall, also. I know you are boycotting Supernatural because Sam and Dean are tall, so be careful with writers too. Actually, that raises a question: Do you boycott all shows featuring tall guys? How about sporting events? I guess you must HATE basketball. Also, I'm trying to figure out just who in this world you DO like. You hate fat women and women you think are unattractive, but you also seem to hate women you consider attractive. You hate tall, handsome men, but you also seem to hate yourself for being short. Could you name one category of human beings you actually like? Or even just a person? |
2011-05-27T18:35:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-5/#comment-20867 |
If England is where all the money goes, then why don't they do something about their teeth? Ba-dum-tsssh! I'm here all week. Don't try the Spotted Dick. |
2011-05-27T18:25:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-3/#comment-20863 |
Well, NWO, show me a credible source that shows that the Rotshchilds own every gov. bank. Hint: I don't consider "some random dude on the internet who also happens to think that the Holocaust was a hoax" a credible source on ANY topic. And neither should you. |
2011-05-27T17:55:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-20835 |
And one more for NWO: If you cite a statistic about race from a racist site, you should take it with a grain of salt and try to confirm it with a source that is not racist. Try to track down the original study, if possible. And you might want to track down other studies on the subject as well. Ideologues make shit up all the time; they misrepresent studies, they misquote, they rely on studies that have been discredited by other research. It's a bit like those big lists of "Evil Feminist" quotes out there, like the one I factchecked. You can't assume that's accurate. A lot of that shit was wrong, or completely misrepresented what was being said. Find me a credible non-conspiracy-theory source for that $500 trillion number and I'll believe it. I think it's a safe bet you won't find that number anywhere credible, because it is ludicrous. The GDP of the world economy is "only" $65 trillion. My source for that? The Economist -- a good source for info on the world economy. They appear to have gotten the info from the IMF, which is kind of in the business of knowing accurate shit about the world economy. http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/05/world_gdp |
2011-05-27T17:36:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-20829 |
NWO, yes, if you click on anything that I have written on this blog, you can assume I agree with it. That is, I agree with the things I have written, even though they don't all appear on the same page. It's weird to have to try to explain this. |
2011-05-27T17:25:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-20823 |
Nwo, oy. They are not the same PAGE. They are on the same SITE, a site devoted to conspiracy theory and holocaust denial. Here is the main page of the site. It links to the page you linked to, and to the one Holly linked to. http://www.jubilee2012.50webs.com/ Both pages are part of one big document the writer has subdivided into chapters on different pages. If someone quotes something from one page of Mein Kampf that doesn't mention Jews, and someone else cites a different page in Mein Kampf that does, the first person can't say, well, he's not anti-Semitic because the page I cited wasn't anti-Semitic. The same logic applies to two different pages on a site put up by a Holocaust denier. The fact that he doesn't mention the Holocaust on every page doesn't mean he's not a Holocaust denier. |
2011-05-27T17:22:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-20821 |
NWOslave said:
Rothchild wealth and control, no matter where you go the wealth is always estimated at around 500 trillion dollars. http://www.jubilee2012.50webs.com/the_house_of_rothschild.htmHolly said: NWO: Search for “holocaust” on this page, which is from one of the websites you linked: http://www.jubilee2012.50webs.com/war.htmNWOslave said: Holly, that is not the site I linked and you my dear are a fucking racist.Um, NWO, it kind of sort of WAS one of the sites you linked to. You're not improving your ratio here. |
2011-05-27T16:53:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-20793 |
NWO, go wild here. Just in this one topic, though. | 2011-05-27T16:13:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-20748 |
Ami -- I had never seen "literally unbelievable." Oh my lord. People are amazing. Such an entertaining species. | 2011-05-27T16:09:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-20745 |
Xtra, I fixed your last comment above-- you pasted in a bunch of stuff twice. Let me know if it now says what you meant it to say. | 2011-05-27T16:01:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-9/#comment-20738 |
FWIW, I'm anti-Dworkin because I've read a lot of Dworkin. She is a powerful writer (even those who disagree with her can admit that), and I understand where her anger is coming from, but I think a lot of her ideas are destructive, bad for everyone, male and female. She certainly was influential, but these days most feminists reject her ideas. All that said, I think that her writings are considerably LESS hateful than a lot of the stuff I see from MRAs/MGTOWers -- for example, she doesn't relish the idea of harm coming to men the way many manosphere misogynists do about women, or fantasize about doing violence to men. |
2011-05-27T15:49:42-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-5/#comment-20732 |
ah crap.. does this mean NWO’s ramblings are now on topic?Yes, but just for this one topic. It's sort of a present to him. I'm sure he's been dying for a chance to post all that Rockefeller/Illuminati shit. |
2011-05-27T15:34:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/27/mutant-illuminati-whores-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-20720 |
Whoops! I was totally wrong about Bowie's eyes. No glass eye. One paralyzed pupil:
Bowie was born with blueish eyes. In 1962, he got into a fight with his longtime school friend George Underwood (over George's girlfriend), and a punch from Underwood damaged Bowie's left eye. His pupil was paralyzed, becoming unable to dilate or contract according to the ambient light. As a result, Bowie's left eye now appears to be a different colour to his right eye, appearing either brown or green depending on the ambient light.http://www.teenagewildlife.com/info/faq/14.html And here's a shot which shows that pretty clearly: http://kanbyamadworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/davidbowie0010000.jpg More celebs with Heterochromia of the eye -- that is, different colored eyes: http://kanbyamadworld.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/actors-with-heterochromia/ |
2011-05-27T03:15:39-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-5/#comment-20639 |
Oh, and here are some of Bowie's big shoes: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8WV0TI5HorI/Sc_DupISDCI/AAAAAAAAAC4/qRNm0Hkhl90/s400/DavidBowie_Sukita25.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SY-2KV40A4o/TN8RlsMsqyI/AAAAAAAABEk/Ou8mVzNedGs/s1600/DavidBowie.jpg |
2011-05-27T02:56:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-5/#comment-20637 |
MRAL, here's a possible role model: David Bowie. Eye issue: Glass eye. Solution: Cultivated an aura of alien weirdness, thus making his glass eye sort of cool. Height issue: He's 5'9" or 5'10", according to the internets. Not really a problem, but I guess he wanted to be taller, so: Solution: Became a glam rocker, which provided the perfect excuse to wear giant platform shows. Bonus: Big dick. Problem: how to show it off? Solution: Wore tights to show off his package: http://cdn.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/2009/02/26/davidbowiebulge_2.jpg http://media.pushitmagazine.com/1/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/David-bowie-ziggy-stardust.jpg Also, you'll note in both pictures he's got big hair. That adds another couple of inches, heightwise. And in the second one, he's rocking an eyepatch. Just a thought. |
2011-05-27T02:53:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-5/#comment-20635 |
Kratch, I guarantee you that there is not one commenter on this blog who thinks that all men are rapists. I think you misread what they wrote. Also, you seem to have forgotten that I actually criticized the "baby rapist" ad, and that what bugged me about the MRA reaction to it was the violent rhetoric towards the guy behind the ad, which apparently included death threats (and some comments that weren't far from death threats on the spearhead). And, uh, how exactly do you figure that Nifong suffered "no consequences" for the Duke debacle? He was disbarred, he declared bankruptcy. His career is over. |
2011-05-27T02:09:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-4/#comment-20617 |
Kratch -- I'm just catching up with comments here, will make it short. 1) That blog you linked to? Hateful, yes -- in much the same way that the sites I look at here are hateful. The difference? That site is on the fringes of feminism. Yes, there are hateful feminists. But they are outnumbered overwhemingly by non-hateful feminists, who regularly critique the hateful ones. Yes, Andrea Dworkin existed. Yes she had books published. Yes she had influence. But most feminists today have clearly rejected her views. She used to be in the mainstream of feminism. Now her ideas are on the fringe. By contrast, the sites I write about aren't the fringe of the MRM online. They ARE the MRM online, or at least its mainstream. 2) As for the more "moderate" sites you mentioned: If the False Rape Society is your idea of a sensible, moderate advocacy group, you (with apologies to MRAL) need to have your eyes examined. Look back on some of what I've written about it. SAVE is an ideologically driven group that has aligned itself with MRAs who regularly make jokes about rape and DV; not really a good idea for a group that's ostensibly anti-violence. Glenn Sacks is a little less rough-and-tumble than the typical MRA online, but he's done some noxious shit, like trying to interfere with the fundraising of a DV shelter whose ads he didn't like. |
2011-05-27T01:23:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-4/#comment-20600 |
So, MRAL, basically the only men who appeal to women are those between 6'1" and 6'4" (where it starts to get weird), and the rest of us are up shit's creek? As a 6"0"er I face height discrimination too? I had no idea. This changes everything. MRAL, I will join you in your fight against this nefarious evil. What do we want? Dudes several inches taller than us to be taken down a peg or two! When do we want it? Shortly! |
2011-05-26T19:38:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/26/hating-female-sexuality-is-it-normal/comment-page-1/#comment-20361 |
All right, MRAL, you're off moderation (I've removed all the IP addresses I think are associated with you; if future posts vanish it's because I missed one.) Just behave. | 2011-05-26T16:24:28-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/24/arnold-alpha-male-or-girly-man/comment-page-1/#comment-20294 |
Xtra, to be fair, there were a LOT more men on the Titantic than women; a much greater percentage of women survived than men. But, you know, that *was* 100 years ago. And really, the bigger issue is why the ship didn't have enough lifeboats to hold anywhere near the total number of people on board. |
2011-05-26T04:19:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-7/#comment-20216 |
Spam filter caught it, probably b/c of the birth control references, but it's up now. | 2011-05-26T02:10:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-7/#comment-20208 |
Edited. I was wondering what the heck that was. | 2011-05-26T00:41:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-7/#comment-20194 |
One way to make the best of what you've got, guys, is to show off its relative size. If you want to make it seem bigger, display it near an assortment of toothpicks. And don't ever stand naked next to this: http://images.travelpod.com/users/skoreatravel/1.1289583706.haesingdang-park.jpg |
2011-05-25T20:52:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/25/unhung-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-20095 |
Oops. I guess I spoke too soon. Well, NWO, *I* don't think you should have been aborted. | 2011-05-25T18:32:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-6/#comment-20063 |
NWO, you might want to point that marxists.org link out to Arnie here, as the piece there was by a socialist opposed to women's suffrage. Arnie, how does this happen if socialism and feminism are the same thing? Also, NWO, no one is saying you should have been aborted. If people here dislike you it is because of what you say, not who you are. |
2011-05-25T18:31:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-6/#comment-20062 |
I don't blame the iceberg. It was sitting there minding its own business when a gigantic -- one might even say a titanic -- ship came up and hit it. It was the captain who decided to keep going despite the fact that there were numerous icebergs in the area and that the ship's lookouts could barely see a thing that night (no moonlight). The captain must have been a woman. You know, women driver, amirite? |
2011-05-25T18:11:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-5/#comment-20052 |
Also, lest we forget, the men also HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU! http://manboobz.com/t-shirts-etc/ Though as I understand it many anthropologists today don't think that it was only men who hunted or women who gathered: http://culturalfascinations.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/women-who-hunted-an-examination-of-gender-roles/ |
2011-05-25T18:06:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-5/#comment-20048 |
Ah, the Titanic. As someone whose great-grandfather ACTUALLY WENT DOWN WITH THE ACTUAL TITANIC, and whose wife survived, I would just like to say that I assign primary responsibility for his death to the White Star Line, the company responsible for the Titanic, for NOT HAVING ENOUGH LIFEBOATS TO CARRY ANYWHERE NEAR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON BOARD. Also, the captain they hired ran the ship into a fucking iceberg. I'd say "chivalry" ranks a distant third. And at least in the case of my great-grandfather it was his choice to stay behind. Many men did get into the lifeboats, and as a fairly famous guy in first class he could have gotten onto a lifeboat if he had so chosen. For info on Jacques Futrelle, wee here: http://futrelle.com/ |
2011-05-25T17:56:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-5/#comment-20044 |
Also, muchmore, welcome! | 2011-05-25T17:36:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/16/on-the-spearhead-its-always-womens-fault/comment-page-3/#comment-20040 |
Ah. Yeah, that guy is, yeah, let's just say a very very angry dude with some very very troubling views. He's one of the most extreme commenters on The Spearhead (there are several others about as extreme). But the other people at the Spearhead, even if they don't post stuff quite that violent, are happy to upvote even his craziest comments, suggesting that they share a lot of these views. I can't remember if I wrote about that particular comment of his, but I probably should have. |
2011-05-25T17:36:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/16/on-the-spearhead-its-always-womens-fault/comment-page-3/#comment-20039 |
Alex, I'm not sure you're measuring correctly. :) Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it:
Results vary, with studies that rely on self-measurement reporting a significantly higher average than those with staff measuring, but a mean erect human penis is approximately 12.9–15.0 cm (5.1–5.9 in) in length. Flaccid penis length is a poor estimate of erect length.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_penis_size Just had to point this out before half the guys reading this had a heart attack. And Bee, I had no idea there was such a thing as the My Tiny Dick forum. http://www.mytinydick.net/talk/ |
2011-05-25T17:25:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/25/unhung-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-20032 |
I'd like to introduce a new term to the discussion: The NWOslave Ratio, named in honor of our own NWOslave. The ratio would refer to the 95% chance that any given sentence by NWOslave is likely to be factually incorrect and/or empty sarcasm or rhetoric. Here's an example of the term used in a sentence: "Arnie's recent comments have been getting perilously close to the NWOslave Ratio." |
2011-05-25T17:05:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-5/#comment-20023 |
This discussion is moving so quickly I just wanted to highlight a couple of posts that got held in moderation that everyone should read:
Kendra, on gender and self-sacrifice, and also on this:
Arnie, you have no idea what any of us commenters are like or how we live. I have no cats, but I like cats. I live with my husband, my two kids, and after Sunday night, my parents. I can’t go to my own home right now because a giant tornado ripped through my city Sunday night and destroyed a quarter of the homes and businesses. My family and I are VERY LUCKY to be ALIVE. I am grateful to sleep in a bed, take a shower, and eat a meal at my parents’ home. Those are luxuries I used to take for granted.http://manboobz.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-3/#comment-19857 Kendra, sorry to hear this, and glad you're ok! darksidecat on women and coal mining, basically showing that the garbage MRAs spit out on the subject is, as usual, based on utter historical ignorance: in the real world, women did work in coal mines and still do. Women and children traditionally worked both in the mines and as pickers-a quasi legal to illegal job with exposure to the health dangers of coal mines at far, far lower pay.for the rest: http://manboobz.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-3/#comment-19895 |
2011-05-25T16:58:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-5/#comment-20019 |
Hey, MuchMore, do you have a link for that? I remember one discussion there along those line; I'm wondering if the one you're talking about is that one or a new one. And, yeah, these guys aren't joking. They really believe the shit they're saying. |
2011-05-25T16:11:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/16/on-the-spearhead-its-always-womens-fault/comment-page-3/#comment-19988 |
Johnnykaje, no these guys aren't MRAs, and the only misogynistic thing about the discussion was the off-topic side discussion attacking "fat chicks." I just thought it was funny how quick the large-penised crowd decided it was the victim of discrimination. That reminded me a lot of MRAs. |
2011-05-25T16:06:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/25/unhung-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-19982 |
You know, "cock blockade" is better. | 2011-05-25T15:42:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/23/the-dick-blockade/comment-page-2/#comment-19947 |
There were a bunch of comments in moderation; they're up now. Worth scrolling up to read. | 2011-05-25T15:37:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-4/#comment-19939 |
Arnie, rejecting your bullshit is not the same as "putting our fingers in our ears." I happen to know a good deal about Marxism, and a good deal about feminism. Over the years, I have known many marxists and many feminists. I have known some people who are both marxists and feminists. I've also known marxists who didn't give a shit about women's issues. Meanwhile, the vast majority of feminists I've ever known are not marxists in any way, shape or form. I'm a feminist, and not a Marxist. I have mixed feelings about Marx himself; he was a brilliant but deeply flawed figure. Lenin, on the other hand, was basically a sociopath, and an asshole, and his influence on the world has basically been an evil one. Followers of Leninism -- Stalin, Mao, and various other evil fucks -- were responsible for probably 100 million deaths in the 20th century. See, while I am a feminist, I am also an anti-Communist. Yes, there have been and still are people who are both feminist and communist. That doesn't mean that feminism and communism are one and the same. There are dog people and cat people. Some people are both dog people and cat people. That does not mean that dog people are cat people or vice versa. |
2011-05-25T05:04:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-3/#comment-19848 |
Gullible me, I clicked. They're not from his site. But they don't prove his point either, which is only to be expected, as his point (feminism = Marxism)is not true. | 2011-05-25T00:14:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-3/#comment-19839 |
Kratch, Kratch, Kratch, could you at least make a tiny effort not to completely misrepresent me? I made no generalizations about men and why they have affairs. I was talking about a particular guy by the name of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has a well-deserved reputation for being a horndog. | 2011-05-24T21:57:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-3/#comment-19830 |
spitfire: I think you're right. Also, this behavior doesn't seem very Alpha, does it? | 2011-05-24T16:20:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/24/arnold-alpha-male-or-girly-man/comment-page-1/#comment-19785 |
Yes, Ion. I was hurt by MRAs in the past. MRAs murdered my parents! Well, no. I started this blog because the MRAs I ran into online irritated the fuck out of me. Once I started looking into them in more depth I found myself fascinated by the extent of the misogyny I found, and by its baroque weirdness. Misogyny is baffling to me. Getting mad at women in general makes no more sense to me than getting mad at, I dunno, people with red hair. I do this because I enjoy it. I'm glad other people enjoy it. No one owes me gratitude for it. True, I do feel superior to the people I mock here. But that doesn't exactly put me in an elite class. Pretty much everyone is superior to these guys. Why do you leave comments here? Were you hurt by this blog in the past? Are you a self-styled non-feminist who believes he's doing men a service/earning their gratitude for being here? Just wondering if there’s a reason beyond some kind of need to feel smug and superior. |
2011-05-24T05:38:08-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/23/the-dick-blockade/comment-page-1/#comment-19683 |
Kratch, I didn't just assume Arnold wanted to fuck everything in sight. You are aware that he has a long history of being a gropey horny dude? Here he is groping some Brazilian dancers and "teaching a woman English" by getting her to basically fellate a carrot stick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uerFZ2Z42nc The groping starts about 2:30 in or so. | 2011-05-23T23:13:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-3/#comment-19654 |
Nobby, you've gotta do the pointy brackets on this blog. ><
OR get the firefox plugin bbcodeXtra. Very handy. Watch this.
Ta da! A quote! And I didn't have to type any html code!!Anyway, I hope everyone realizes that Arnie here is the author of the post I talked about in the OP. |
2011-05-23T22:57:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-3/#comment-19653 |
Bee, I'm sure you're right. I don't have much faith in the accuracy of online translators. But I'm still sort of amazed that they exist at all, and they do a lot better than I ever did in Spanish class. | 2011-05-22T22:16:45-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-1/#comment-19498 |
To be fair, the author does devote a sentence to the kids. The author has also added a bit to the original post in response to my post. |
2011-05-22T19:06:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-1/#comment-19486 |
Just trying to show off my command of the language! | 2011-05-22T16:15:12-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/22/arnold-schwarzeneggers-adultery-blame-the-bitches/comment-page-1/#comment-19473 |
Also, if "chavonne" really is "a class of seminar students," then I'm Scott Adams and Eoghan rolled into one. |
2011-05-22T01:21:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/20/using-the-myth-of-the-pussy-pass-to-justify-rape-and-murder/comment-page-2/#comment-19405 |
A "social experiment?" Maybe "chavonne" is ... SCOTT ADAMS! Probably not, as "chavonne" didn't make any comments about how certifiably brilliant Scott Adams is. |
2011-05-22T01:13:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/20/using-the-myth-of-the-pussy-pass-to-justify-rape-and-murder/comment-page-2/#comment-19403 |
Not worried about you, Ami, but some of the MRA/MGTOWers around here are very literal-minded. I can't remember where I found it. It's been floating around online for a bit. |
2011-05-21T21:17:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/21/off-topic-saturday-nights-all-right-for/comment-page-1/#comment-19376 |
It's not actually my receipt. But I sort of wish I knew the shopper in question. | 2011-05-21T20:47:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/21/off-topic-saturday-nights-all-right-for/comment-page-1/#comment-19371 |
DSC, thanks. I'll keep looking into the subject,and will return to it. If you have any suggestions for research or resources I should look at, let me know. | 2011-05-21T19:57:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/20/using-the-myth-of-the-pussy-pass-to-justify-rape-and-murder/comment-page-2/#comment-19367 |
Well well well = Lol = Eoghan. He just posted something from the same IP address as lol. I might let him post again if he's willing to at least admit to his not-so-clever subterfuge here. |
2011-05-21T19:47:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/21/saturday-morning-cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-19366 |
DSC, so to what degree are the things you're talking about dealt with in the sentencing guidelines? Would they be included in the "offense level" or are they separate, and thus not controlled for in the study in question here? | 2011-05-21T16:47:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/20/using-the-myth-of-the-pussy-pass-to-justify-rape-and-murder/comment-page-2/#comment-19337 |
Sigh. NWO, go back to page 296 of the study. This time, don't stop reading after the part you've quoted. Keep reading the rest of that paragraph. Read the next paragraph through the sentence that ends "explain these disparities."
What the author is saying there is that THERE ARE OTHER VARIABLES THAT THE NUMBERS HE JUST GAVE -- THE ONES YOU JUST CITED -- IGNORE. This means the numbers that you gave DO NOT ACCURATELY COMPARE sentences based on all the factors that judges take into account when handing down sentences -- like, a person's criminal history, or the "offense level." The men in his sample have considerably longer criminal histories than the women, and commit more serious offenses. Therefore, it logically follows that those variables account for some of the sentencing disparity between men and women.
The next bit in the paper is the math by which the researcher figures out just how much of the disparity is due to these factors. Once he does the math, he gets this, which I quoted before:
after controlling for the offense level, criminal history, district, and offense type, blacks, Hispanics, and others received sentences 5.5, 4.5, and 2.3 months longer than whites, respectively, and females received 5.5 fewer months than males. All of these results are significant at the .01 level.... The average sentence length is 46 months, so evaluated at the mean, blacks receive about 12 percent longer terms than whites, and males receive 12 percent longer terms than females.This is the actual disparity between male and female sentences, based on a clean comparison -- that is, if you're comparing sentences when men and women commit crimes of the same severity, have the same criminal history, etc. This 12 percent difference is the true extent of the "pussy pass." Again, I'm not making this up. This is what the researcher found. Go back and just read a tiny bit further in the paper. |
2011-05-21T02:14:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/20/using-the-myth-of-the-pussy-pass-to-justify-rape-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-19282 |
Ah, NWO, once again, you need to read a bit more carefully. The numbers you gave -- from the paper mentioned by you, me, Ampersand and Men whatever his name is -- were not in fact the researcher;s final numbers, because they did not take into account several important variables that affect sentencing, and which explain a good deal of the disparity. In other words, the numbers you’re citing are an apples-to-oranges comparison.
If you had kept reading, you would have seen that the author, immediately after giving those numbers, said this:
The men’s average offense level and criminal history are 39.6 percent and 53.3 percent greater than those of females. The average sentence lengths are different, but because they do not correct for either the offense level or criminal history, criminological variables may explain these disparities. …Just so you know, the term "offense level" basically refers to the way sentencing guidelines define crimes; the number is adjusted based on certain factors that take into account the severity of the crime and the criminal's role in it (whether the person is the ringleader or a follower, for example). Since these things affect sentencing (they're supposed to), comparing the raw numbers without taking offense level and criminal history into consideration means it's not a clean comparison. So the researcher went on to construct an equation that controls for these variables (and several others), to give an apples-to-apples comparison: equation (1) estimates the extent to which an individual who is in the same district court, commits the same offense, and has the same criminal history and offense level as another person receives a different sentence on the basis of race, ethnicity, or gender. … Column 1 indicates that after controlling for the offense level, criminal history, district, and offense type, blacks, Hispanics, and others received sentences 5.5, 4.5, and 2.3 months longer than whites, respectively, and females received 5.5 fewer months than males. All of these results are significant at the .01 level. The average sentence length is 46 months, so evaluated at the mean, blacks receive about 12 percent longer terms than whites, and males receive 12 percent longer terms than females.Now, this is STILL A DISPARITY, and I don't deny it. And I don't think it is good. But it's a far cry from the misleading number you cited, and a far cry from the MRA myth of the "pussy pass" -- basically, that women can get away with anything. |
2011-05-20T23:26:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/20/using-the-myth-of-the-pussy-pass-to-justify-rape-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-19257 |
NWO, if you read even the opening sentence of the Alas a Blog link -- heck, even if you just skimmed it -- you would see that it was based mostly on the study you linked to. | 2011-05-20T21:44:33-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/20/using-the-myth-of-the-pussy-pass-to-justify-rape-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-19225 |
Men here we come -- You are now the second MRA to cite the SAME EXACT STUDY I REFERENCED IN MY POST as if it rebutted my post. So, congrats! | 2011-05-20T21:15:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/20/using-the-myth-of-the-pussy-pass-to-justify-rape-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-19217 |
NWO, congrats for posting a link to the EXACT SAME STUDY I TALKED ABOUT IN MY POST. Could you try reading before posting once in a while? DSC, You've got a point. I've seen research that makes that point. But I could have sworn I saw a fairly recent study that controlled for those factors (at least to some extent) and still found a disparity. (Not as big as the uncontrolled studies find, but still a disparity.) I'll try to track it down. |
2011-05-20T18:55:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/20/using-the-myth-of-the-pussy-pass-to-justify-rape-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-19189 |
NWO said: "One law blogs analysis doesn’t mean anything." But what if it's Bob Loblaw's Law Blog? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwWAsNZTnug Confidential to Lol/Eoghan: If you want your comments to go through, I suggest you start with a bit of honesty. |
2011-05-20T16:58:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/19/dominique-strauss-kahns-arrest-a-rorschach-test-for-misogynists/comment-page-3/#comment-19172 |
Absinthe, that was no dream. Middle Management Penguin is all too real. | 2011-05-20T16:46:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/18/man-boobz-will-haunt-your-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-19167 |
Lol/Eoghan: All right. This clinches it.
Lol:
If you have been lead to believe that your existence is defined by a left wing political construct that constructs and uses misinformation about rape and abuse as a platform to fear monger and rabble rouse, the problem is with the construct, not you or me.Eoghan: David, feminism rabble rouses on the basis that men are collectively conspiring against women and that domestic abuse and rape are part of that conspiracy.http://manboobz.com/2010/11/26/your-fertility-symbol-my-body/comment-page-1/#comment-2980 Dude, you are virtually the only person I've ever seen who actually uses "rabble rouse" as a verb. So you're going on moderation now. |
2011-05-20T16:21:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/19/dominique-strauss-kahns-arrest-a-rorschach-test-for-misogynists/comment-page-3/#comment-19161 |
A couple of things:
I'm aware of that Elam post, and don't want it discussed here.
NWO, I've taken that IP off the moderation list.
Eoghan, I'm now about 200% convinced you and Lol are one and the same. Making the same arguments, using the same language, with the same writing style (lots of run-on sentences), etc etc. If it walks like a Eoghan, and quacks like a Eoghan ...
Lol:
I’m not him, and its not exactly a secret that the spearhead comments section can be a hot bed of abused and very angry men, their stories occasionally do come out, from sexual abuse by mothers to false allegations and child kidnapping and financial ruin via the courts by spouces, its also no secret that element of that comments section represents an extreme minority.Eoghan: this is my position on the minority of extremists in the mrm.Historically progressivism has taken the behaviour of an extreme minority and used it to stereotypes and marginalize whole groups quite successfully. They did it to Jews, black men in american and today feminism uses the minority of violent men to stereotype and marginalize all men. You see it happening here, the blog is based on the same tactic, a minority of comments are used to stereotype the wholeIf you're not Eoghan, you clearly studied under him. So, Lol/Eoghan, I'd prefer it if you simply acknowledged that you are one and the same. Now that I can moderate comments properly, I will actually allow you to post here, though if you start routinely misrepresenting other people and being disruptive you will go on moderation. |
2011-05-20T16:01:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/19/dominique-strauss-kahns-arrest-a-rorschach-test-for-misogynists/comment-page-3/#comment-19154 |
Also, LOL, I'm about 99.9% sure you're Eoghan.
Lol:
... the sheer repetition and apparent complete lack of self awareness that feminists have about their incessant false allegations and insinuations.Eoghan: What about the litany of false allegations and insinuations about abuse and rape thats directed against the politically incorrect group David?http://manboobz.com/2010/11/22/comments-policy-updated/comment-page-1/#comment-2591 Do you have a macro for the phrase "false allegations and insinuations?" Probably should have updated it for the new internet persona. |
2011-05-20T05:01:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/19/dominique-strauss-kahns-arrest-a-rorschach-test-for-misogynists/comment-page-1/#comment-19058 |
Lol, I like that you left out the next part of your quote:
they are different categories of the same bahaviour. All mra’s have first hand experience of one or both kinds of false accusations.Which suggests you do see the two very different types of "accusations" -- internet namecalling, and accusations of criminal behavior to police -- to be on a par with one another. Then of course this bit, which echoes stuff you've said before, draws zero distinction between these two very different kinds of "accusations." This is why people are jaded with feminisms endless lies and false accusations about rape and abuse, the sheer repetition and apparent complete lack of self awareness that feminists have about their incessant false allegations and insinuations.Internet namecalling is not the same as "false allegation." If it is, then I could accuse you of "false allegations" for things you've said about me, and for suggesting that CB was "lying" about you, etc etc. |
2011-05-20T04:51:21-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/19/dominique-strauss-kahns-arrest-a-rorschach-test-for-misogynists/comment-page-1/#comment-19057 |
LOL, there's a big difference between being called names on the internet -- especially when people don't even know your real name -- and being accused of a crime and arrested. I would imagine that every single person commenting here has been called a name on the internet. I certainly have, on my own blog, even. I think at least once by you (didn't you recently declare that I was a paid agent of some nefarious feminist astro-turfing cabal, or something?) |
2011-05-19T18:32:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/19/dominique-strauss-kahns-arrest-a-rorschach-test-for-misogynists/comment-page-1/#comment-18996 |
Here are the charges against DSK, according to The Independent:
Strauss-Kahn was charged with attacking a 32-year-old maid at his Manhattan hotel suite on Saturday. The West African immigrant told police that he chased her down a hallway, forced her to perform oral sex and tried to remove her stockings, and a grand jury decided yesterday that there was enough evidence to pursue the case against him. The seven charges against him include attempted rape, sex abuse, a criminal sex act, unlawful imprisonment and forcible touching, the most serious of which carries a 25-year sentence. The 62-year-old "intentionally and for no legitimate purpose forcibly touched the sexual and other intimate parts of an individual known to the grand jury, for the purpose of degrading and abusing said individual and for the purpose of gratifying the defendant's sexual desire", according to the criminal complaint.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/strausskahn-granted-6m-bail-but-is-forced-to-stand-down-from-imf-2286638.html |
2011-05-19T18:26:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/19/dominique-strauss-kahns-arrest-a-rorschach-test-for-misogynists/comment-page-1/#comment-18994 |
Francois, if you took a picture of me and photoshopped it so that it was a perfectly symmetrical face made up of two copies of one side of my face, I'm still pretty sure I'd look worse than Owen Wilson, who's got a crooked nose. | 2011-05-19T18:18:37-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/19/whos-the-ugliest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-18993 |
Evil, yes, she did say that. But that does not mean that a guy who has clearly been beaten will get arrested on the word of a woman with no scratches on her except perhaps on her knuckles. Cops are aware that women can be violent thugs. (Heck, even viewers of the tv show COPS are aware that women can be violent thugs.) | 2011-05-19T03:00:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/18/quote-of-the-day-i-say-lynch-her/comment-page-1/#comment-18845 |
NWO, "primary aggressor" means "primary aggressor," not "the bigger person." She apparently broke the guy's nose, and presumably left many other bruises. She would have been arrested. | 2011-05-18T22:31:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/18/quote-of-the-day-i-say-lynch-her/comment-page-1/#comment-18814 |
Pierce, I have added a clarification to the above post:
To make myself perfectly clear here: Harlan does not say explicitly that DSK is too important to be arrested on the word of a lowly maid, but that seems to be the implicit suggestion of his post, the whole reason to quote several articles about the effect this is having on the world economy, all because of “the word of an unnamed maid [the world] knows nothing about.” I have asked him to clarify what exactly he did mean, and he has refused. In a followup post he asks rhetorically “Have we handed an unnamed maid too much power to destroy a presumptively innocent man?” and answers himself by saying “The question scarcely survives its statement.” Which I will take as a “yes.” He goes on to say:
We reported yesterday what the world press is saying about the sexual assault claim against Dominique Strauss-Kahn. About how it could impact not only the IMF he heads, and France where is a presidential hopeful, but the global economy itself. It is widely believed that Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s reputation has been marred beyond repair, regardless of the outcome of this affair. To say this is morally grotesque does not capture the evil of what is happening to a presumptively innocent man. … If there is a running theme in this blog, it is this: we have handed anonymous women and children far, far too much power to destroy the lives and reputations of presumptively innocent men before even a scrap of evidence has been introduced to prove their guilt.If I am reading this correctly — and please correct me if I am wrong, Mr. Harlan — he is saying that ALL men are too important to be arrested on sexual assault charges based on the word of “anonymous women and children.” Again, let me ask you, Mr. Harlan, is this what you mean? I invite everyone here to read the two posts in question – the first one here; the second one here – and tell me what you think he is trying to say. Mr. Harlan, if you want to clarify what you mean here, I will put that clarification up without comment as a post, under a neutral headline (Pierce Harlan clarifies what he meant in his posts on the Dominique Strauss-Kahn arrest”). I would also like to point out, again, that the police seem to be going on a lot more than the “word of an unnamed maid,” including surveillance tapes, statements from those who spoke to the maid immediately after the alleged incident, DNA evidence in the room. There may also be DNA evidence on her clothing; that we don’t know. But it seems fairly clear that there is evidence beyond the maid’s testimony. |
2011-05-18T21:59:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-2/#comment-18812 |
Pierce, you're going to sue me for quoting you and asking what you meant? Good luck with that. | 2011-05-18T21:28:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-2/#comment-18800 |
A little bit more info from the artist/dreamer:
I don't really know why he took off his shoes. All I remember is that he sat there rubbing his feet and they were reeeeeeally stinky. He was just an overall odd fellow, and it being a dream, my unconscious mind did not bother questioning it I suppose :PAs for why it was clear he was bad at sex: I hadn't included that information because I figured it wasn't important enough. Other than just graphically describing his STDs he also talked about what "bitches" all the women were and how they didn't bow to his every whim. So my brain wasn't being sexist -- it was quite evident from how he was talking that he's the one that made the sex suck :P Just so ya know! :D |
2011-05-18T20:03:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/18/man-boobz-will-haunt-your-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-18785 |
Oh and Ion, that last bit of yours about licking boots, a very clever and substantive argument there. | 2011-05-18T15:36:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-2/#comment-18761 |
Ion, adding extra vowels to words ("feeeel") is not a logical argument. It's ridicule, and pretty half-assed at that. So "creepy" is shaming, but implying that your opponents are childish whiners isn't? Though I actually agree with those here who say that many MRA/PUA discussions of consent ARE creepy, because they do seem to be about figuring out how much they can get away with, and not with figuring out what the woman actually wants. Sort of like Gunwitch, the PUA guru whose slogan is "make the ho say no" -- that is, to keep pushing and pushing and pushing until the woman basically has to fight you off. (You might recall that when one of these women (allegedly) said no to his (alleged) gropings by (allegedly) pulling a knife, that he went and (allegedly) got a gun and (allegedly) shot her in the face. |
2011-05-18T15:35:07-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-2/#comment-18758 |
I'm still not quite sure why Hamish has taken his shoes off on the train. I'll have to ask the artist. I had a dream in which I was trying to explain how great newspaper comics were in the golden age of the early 20th century. Which they totally were. And not just Krazy Kat! Mutt and Jeff, also brilliant. Barney Google, same thing. Look at all this glorious crosshatching! http://www.crushofthemonth.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/24/barney_google_2.jpg |
2011-05-18T15:24:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/18/man-boobz-will-haunt-your-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-18752 |
Men, here we come -- you really need to learn to read. I don't say that Harlan claims to know if DSK is guilty. HINT: that sentence of mine comes immediately after I quote him saying that we don't know if DSK is guilty. And if he's not saying, maybe we shouldn't arrest this big important man whose words affect the market on the word of a lowly maid, then what exactly is the point of his post? Bee: Thanks for your most recent comment, and your earlier forceful response to evil. I felt that comment of his was much worse than his typical comments, and came pretty close to deserving to be deleted. Maybe I need to move the line. |
2011-05-18T15:10:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-2/#comment-18748 |
NWO, no one here has jumped to conclusions about whether or not Dominique Strauss-Kahn is guilty. And, come to think of it, no one here has jumped to Kellett's defense either. In fact, in both cases, feminists here have said they don't know enough to make those calls -- in the case of DSK, because we don't actually know what the evidence is, and in the case of Kellett because most of the info we've found on the case has been polemical screeds by MRAs whose objectivity and judgement we question. I did read the court decision granting Filler the retrial and, guess what, I think it makes sense; I think he probably did deserve a second trial. Whether Kellett is corrupt, I don't know, and frankly, unless you you've run across some evidence I don't know about, neither do you. |
2011-05-18T04:54:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-1/#comment-18675 |
Actually, Ion, it's not a long road from all that to actual rape. What you are describing IS "rape culture." | 2011-05-18T04:01:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-1/#comment-18673 |
Shayna, I deleted your comment (and put you on moderation) because you suggested that certain people should be killed. That was way over the line. You also engaged in what I would call a gratuitously nasty personal attack (on Pierce Harlan). I would have deleted the comment for that alone. evilwhitemalempire's comments are vile. But he didn't suggest killing anyone. Nor did he engage in nasty personal attacks. These rules apply to everyone here. Earlier in the evening I tossed out a comment from an MRA that seemed to celebrate violence against women. (It never appeared because he's also on moderation.) As I explained the last time something like this came up: the fact that I don't delete a certain comment that someone thinks I should delete doesn't mean that I agree with the comment or think it's "grand." Evil's latest comment was pretty fucking far from grand. But, again, I don't delete comments because I disagree with them. |
2011-05-18T03:57:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-1/#comment-18672 |
Beth, Lydia, and, well, anyone here: Have you seen the film Fishtank? It's a pretty bleak but very good British film dealing with the dynamic between a troubled teen girl, her extremely young working-class mother, and her mother's new boyfriend. Netflix has it; you may need to use the subtitles because the accents are so thick. | 2011-05-18T03:13:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/16/on-the-spearhead-its-always-womens-fault/comment-page-3/#comment-18668 |
Shayna, I understand your frustration with these assholes, but that was over the line. I deleted the comment. | 2011-05-18T00:45:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-1/#comment-18656 |
Pierce, if you feel I have misrepresented your post, feel free to explain what exactly you were trying to convey, and perhaps explain why it matters that the arrest has had an effect on the markets. | 2011-05-17T22:36:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/17/mras-respond-predictably-awfully-to-the-arrest-of-imf-head-dominique-strauss-kahn/comment-page-1/#comment-18624 |
I took Russian in high school. I was terrible at it. It was sort of a nightmare. Therefore, no one should ever take Russian. Well, tbat doesn't really follow logically, but I did hate the whole experience. |
2011-05-17T13:58:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/15/new-study-braiding-hair-makes-men-want-to-punch-things/comment-page-1/#comment-18510 |
I just freed a bunch of comments from first-time-commenters from moderation, So scroll up and enjoy! | 2011-05-17T13:56:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/16/on-the-spearhead-its-always-womens-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-18509 |
Lydia: Oops. In my defense, I'm very sleepy. |
2011-05-16T19:50:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/15/new-study-braiding-hair-makes-men-want-to-punch-things/comment-page-1/#comment-18391 |
Pecunium and Amnesia, those are both good points. This isn't a perfect study, and I hope I didn't suggest that I thought that it was. But, again, I do think the basic premise makes sense: put men to work at a task that challenges cultural definitions of masculinity, then give them a choice between doing something aggressive and something not aggressive; if they choose the aggressive option, it suggests that aggression may well be, as the authors note a "manhood-restoring tactic.” It doesn't mean that every time a guy gets his manhood questioned he's going to punch something. It means that's *one possible way* he might try to feel more like a man. Also, there's a distinction between feeling aggressive and acting on that impulse. The study gave the men a safe and acceptable way to express this aggressive feeling, Amused, you've completely missed the point of the study and my post: this sort of masculinity is NOT hardwired into men. It's cultural. The press release makes this point several times; see the bit quoted by cynikal above. And note my comment in the post suggesting that guys shouldn't "give a shit about idiotic masculine stereotypes." If these masculine stereotypes were hardwired, this would be impossible. |
2011-05-16T19:01:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/15/new-study-braiding-hair-makes-men-want-to-punch-things/comment-page-1/#comment-18389 |
Even worse than The View, the View ripoff on CBS called “The Talk.” (Even the name is derivative.) I was exposed to an entire episode one day recently while waiting to see if I would have to serve on a jury. I think even Gandhi would start punching things if he were forced to watch that show. I'm not quite sure how it manages to be so awful. Sharon Osbourne is on it, and I sort of love all the Osbournes. I think she must have made some sort of deal with the devil. |
2011-05-15T23:50:58-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/15/new-study-braiding-hair-makes-men-want-to-punch-things/comment-page-1/#comment-18283 |
anit, I want to get back to a point that seems to have largely been forgotten here -- Pecunium brought it up again recently, and it sort of got ignored again -- and that is the issue of me "cherry-picking" quotes from "outliers" and people who are "venting." As I pointed out when I first addressed this issue a couple of hundred comments ago, the OP here is an article written by the guy running one of the most popular online hangouts for MRAs/MGTOWs. He's hardly an "outlier," and, far from "venting," generally writes in a calm and deliberate voice. The comments from people thinking he was being too nice to women weren't from outliers either; one of the comments (last I checked) had more than 100 upvotes from readers there,the other had 80. This is pretty clear proof that what they said was considered reasonable by the vast majority of comment readers there. The upvotes are pretty clear empirical evidence that these guys aren't "outliers," but that what they said is supported by the overwhelming majority of people reading it who cared enough to click an up or down arrow. The thing is, I go out of my way to AVOID quoting outliers. When looking at the Spearhead, I tend to focus on, and quote, only those comments that are heavily upvoted or downvoted, and to ignore the rest -- that is, comments that are clearly approved of or disapproved of by the majority of readers there. In the OP here, I did post one ridiculous comment from MGTOWforums. There are no upvotes or downvotes there, so I can't rely on that. But you'll notice that I pointed out explicitly that this was an extreme comment, even by the extreme standards of the board. It was an outlier --- and I said it was an outlier in the post. And, again, if you know of a forum featuring what you consider more "typical" and less obnoxious posts/comments from MRAs, please point it out to me. Every MRA site/forum I've ever been to features a lot of misogyny. In only a few places (like reddit's men's rights subreddit) is this misogyny ever challenged by other posters (and even there it often isn't). |
2011-05-15T19:29:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/w-f-price-a-daisy-picking-mangina/comment-page-4/#comment-18261 |
Oh, and one of Plymouth's comments got held b/c of a link; it's up now, on the previous page of comments. | 2011-05-15T03:48:15-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/w-f-price-a-daisy-picking-mangina/comment-page-3/#comment-18145 |
I don't want to alarm anyone, but I did a search for that 3rd search term I mentioned, the one about cat women, and, well, rule 34 applies. | 2011-05-15T03:41:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/14/off-topic-saturday-meet-the-searchers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-18144 |
evil, argue your points all you want but there's no reason for personal attacks like that. | 2011-05-15T03:38:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/w-f-price-a-daisy-picking-mangina/comment-page-3/#comment-18143 |
You know, I don't really mean to mock anyone's sexuality, even if it does involve cat people or ascii boners. (The movie Cat People, kind of hot.) It's just weird that people searching for all that end up here. Hopefully they are not too disappointed. | 2011-05-14T21:19:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/14/off-topic-saturday-meet-the-searchers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-18102 |
You know, MRAO, who does indeed seem to be MRAL with an O, people are allowed to type whatever they want into search engines. I don't really have any control over that. I have classified ALL of the terms I quoted as "weird," and made no distinction between cat men and cat women. Well, I suppose the cat women in this case have more of an issue cleaning up afterwards. | 2011-05-14T20:51:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/14/off-topic-saturday-meet-the-searchers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-18098 |
A commenter calling him or herself Men's Rights Activist Overlord posted a comment and I let it through. (It was on topic, and I sort of like the term "femiassfuck.") Not sure if this "new" commenter is: 1) MRA Lieutenant, back in a not-so-clever disguise 2) An MRA inspired by MRAL who intends to honor MRAL with the name 3) A feminist parodying MRAL by posting ridiculous nonsense. So hard to tell! Whoever it is, you're on moderation too. And if you're MRAL, you are allowed to post here; I'm just moderating your comments because the last couple of comments you made were way over the line. |
2011-05-14T19:50:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/w-f-price-a-daisy-picking-mangina/comment-page-2/#comment-18089 |
A comment by Pecunium about "moving goalposts" got caught in moderation b/ it had a bunch of links in it; it's up now. There are one or two other comments that were also in moderation. I think they're all on this page of the comments, if you want to scroll up and check. | 2011-05-14T18:45:32-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/w-f-price-a-daisy-picking-mangina/comment-page-2/#comment-18081 |
Avicenna, titfortat: The point of my post was in the headline -- this seemed to me a protest that would make it considerably harder for this man to see his kids. At least so far, that has in fact been the case. I wasn't mocking him, simply pointing out that his strategy seemed extremely misguided. I don't know if he considers himself an MRA, and thus did not refer to him as one. His strategy in this case is similar to that employed by Fathers 4 Justice in the past, but I don't know that he has any relationship with them. I have noticed some MRAs holding him up as a hero. I would suggest they wait until we actually know a bit more about the man. Like I said, I am skeptical of his account of what's going on with his ex and his kids, but again, like every other person looking at this case, I don't know enough to say much about this man that is definitive, beyond the fact that he climbed the bridge, that he left a threatening-sounding note for cops, and that he's now been ordered by the court to not contact his ex and kids. |
2011-05-14T18:03:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/how-not-to-convince-the-courts-to-give-you-more-access-to-your-children/comment-page-3/#comment-18075 |
To be fair, Avicenna, I'm not sure how much we should trust the facts in these early reports. Most of the info about him seems to have come from him and his friends. that where the info about the PTSD came from? Or from him? But yes, he may have PTSD. Even if he does, though, it's not clear why he's been kept from his kids, if his case really has been mishandled, if his kids really are in danger as he says. As for the fire, I put that in the OP because it is a very weird detail in a case that's filled with weird details. I have no idea whether it was arson. What I do know is that this guy seems to be a magnet for trouble. How much of that is bad luck, how much of that is his fault, I don't know. I will admit I'm skeptical of his story. I guess we'll just have to see how it plays out. |
2011-05-14T06:24:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/how-not-to-convince-the-courts-to-give-you-more-access-to-your-children/comment-page-3/#comment-18014 |
Fixed the tag fail! I am a full-service blogger. | 2011-05-14T05:02:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/w-f-price-a-daisy-picking-mangina/comment-page-1/#comment-18000 |
HA! Snowy beat me to it. | 2011-05-13T20:38:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/w-f-price-a-daisy-picking-mangina/comment-page-1/#comment-17979 |
Katz, I was wondering that too. Perhaps the grass is over a septic tank? Stuff could bubble up out of that. | 2011-05-13T20:37:56-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/w-f-price-a-daisy-picking-mangina/comment-page-1/#comment-17978 |
Also, anit, I was responding to a post made by the guy in charge of one of the biggest online hangouts for MRAs and MGTOWs; one of the comments on the site I quoted in the OP has gotten more than 100 upvotes from readers there, the other, 80. (both are many times the # of downvotes they got.) No, these guys do not represent every MRA, and I would never suggest that, but they do seem to represent a fairly broad consensus among spearhead readers. The quote later? As I said, NAMGTOWATAS. This site is about misogyny; I go where it is online. I find a lot of it where MRAs and MGTOWers tend to hang out. But I'm curious, if you feel there are sites that are more representative of MRAs, let me know. |
2011-05-13T18:20:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/w-f-price-a-daisy-picking-mangina/comment-page-1/#comment-17966 |
Another strange detail I've added to the OP: He last saw [his kids] almost 70 days ago, soon after a home owned by him was engulfed by fire. His estranged wife and one young daughter were sleeping inside. Both escaped the blaze. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bridge-stunt-chokes-city-20110513-1emg5.html#ixzz1MGeqKTSa |
2011-05-13T15:51:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/how-not-to-convince-the-courts-to-give-you-more-access-to-your-children/comment-page-3/#comment-17945 |
Well, NWO can still post; he'll just have to avoid being a complete douchenozzle if he wants any of the comments to go through. | 2011-05-13T15:10:00-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/how-not-to-convince-the-courts-to-give-you-more-access-to-your-children/comment-page-2/#comment-17937 |
Oh, and thanks, Bee, for that link to the story in The Australian. One interesting detail from that story: He left a note in his car, warning police to close the bridge and not to try to bring him down by force. “If anyone attempts to climb the upper arch of the bridge during my protest, the consequences will be fatal. Do what I ask and this will start and end peacefully,” it said. “You’ve taken my kids, I’ve taken your bridge.” http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/sas-veteran-takes-protest-to-the-top/story-e6frg6nf-1226055641359?from=public_rss |
2011-05-13T15:05:19-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/how-not-to-convince-the-courts-to-give-you-more-access-to-your-children/comment-page-2/#comment-17935 |
... and NWO is on moderation again. Not just for going on about the Jewish "race" and citing a holocaust denial website, but also for never fucking listening to others and repeatedly misrepresenting what other people say. WTF, dude. Not sure when I'll be lifting this. Not soon. |
2011-05-13T14:49:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/how-not-to-convince-the-courts-to-give-you-more-access-to-your-children/comment-page-2/#comment-17932 |
The latest fallout from the wedding: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/royalwedding/8248651/pippa-middleton-drawn-into-couples-spat The spray-painting on the car looks a little too deliberate. I'm guessing this will turn out to be some publicity stunt, though I'm not sure by whom or why. |
2011-05-13T04:03:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/12/the-royal-scam/comment-page-4/#comment-17781 |
Ami, I understand your points, and, yes, most protests do inconvenience some people, but in this case we've got one guy who's decided that the whole of Sydney needs to be brought to a halt because he feels he's been mistreated. It's a protest that put other people at risk -- the police who had to deal with an unpredictable character at the top of a very tall bridge, plus the traffic blockage gets in the way of ambulances and fire trucks, etc. And there's no indication that he tried any less-radical ways of drawing attention to his case, much less tried to organize any kind of protest involving more people besides just him. Is this sort of protest actually going to win anyone over to his cause or just anger people? And if he is concerned about seeing his kids, an action like this had pretty much shows the court that he's an unpredictable guy given to drastic actions. If he's willing to pull this stunt, would he also try to kidnap his kids if he were allowed time with them? If I were a judge, I wouldn't want to take that risk. |
2011-05-13T02:29:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/how-not-to-convince-the-courts-to-give-you-more-access-to-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-17767 |
.... and, MRAL, I'll be deleting those last two comments of yours, and putting you on moderation. | 2011-05-13T02:10:48-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/how-not-to-convince-the-courts-to-give-you-more-access-to-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-17760 |
MRAL, actually, from the photos I've seen of him, (click that second link in the post)he's a tall, buff, macho, not-bad-looking dude and, given his nature of his protest, his military background, his apparent status as a biker, probably very macho and assertive. All very "alpha" sounding to me. | 2011-05-13T02:09:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/13/how-not-to-convince-the-courts-to-give-you-more-access-to-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-17759 |
Bushfire, I suspect that if NWO's toast got burned, it would result in something like this: [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyXl2RMZ0Po&w=480&h=390] |
2011-05-13T00:41:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/12/the-royal-scam/comment-page-4/#comment-17740 |
NWO, even by your standards that was some poor, poor debating you did there. Try to respond to particular points people make rather than constantly changing the subject and pulling new "facts" out of your ass. darksidecat, no joke, once again I am impressed with the wealth of your knowledge. And thanks to everyone else, too, who responded to NWO with solid specific evidence. On the DV issue, yes, some studies find that women initiate violence as often as men. But these studies do not distinguish, say, a face slapping from a serious beating that lands the victim in a hospital. When you look at the consequences of DV, women are much more likely to be injured by their partner. Men are also more likely to attack their exes after they break up; this kind of violence isn't measured in the 50/50 studies. Much more on these and other issues here: http://manboobz.blogspot.com/p/not-so-great-debate-on-domestic.html http://manboobz.blogspot.com/2010/11/further-reading-domestic-violence.html |
2011-05-12T23:44:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/12/the-royal-scam/comment-page-4/#comment-17733 |
Confidential to kirby: I deleted the two comments you asked me to delete; since then the rest have been going into the spam folder. I've undeleted the rest; hopefully no more will get stuck. | 2011-05-12T20:37:24-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/12/the-royal-scam/comment-page-3/#comment-17664 |
NWO, you specifically said earlier that "Divorce rates haven’t gone down." I was pointing out that, looking over the past 30 years, they have gone down. And yes, marriage rates are also down. Unlike you, I don't jump to a lot of conclusions based on that one data point. People tend to live together outside of marriage more than they used to, and get married later. (They also tend to live longer.) Most people get married at some point in their life. |
2011-05-12T19:19:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/12/the-royal-scam/comment-page-2/#comment-17628 |
NWO, the divorce rate soared between the early 60s and 1980; it has come down considerably since then. | 2011-05-12T18:59:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/12/the-royal-scam/comment-page-2/#comment-17614 |
NOW, as for your question, most couples are able to work out answers to those sorts of questions all the time without having to say that the man's word (or the woman's word) is the final one. People compromise. They consider the specifics of the situation. Is the "luxury" in your question a $10 million yacht, or a DVD for $3.99? Are their finances so intertwined that one of them can't make the decision to buy a small item without checking first with the other one? ETc etc. NWO, do you actually live amongst humans? Because these sorts of issues come up all the time, and most people can actually handle them without pledging to "obey" anyone else. |
2011-05-12T18:11:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/12/the-royal-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17557 |
Oops. Now you're off moderation, NWO. | 2011-05-12T18:02:54-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/12/the-royal-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17554 |
Scarecrow, I found that video of "batman" on the youtube channel of an MRA who goes by the name of, er, MGTOW. If he had bigger protests to post videos of, he would. But there really aren't any; all the protests are tiny. Nor are there many in which the protestors DON'T dress up as superheroes. Dressing up as superheroes seems to be the default demonstration tactic of fathers 4 justice, and they seem to be about the only MRA group that organizes demonstrations. And obviously they are terrible at it. |
2011-05-12T17:11:31-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/09/inactivism/comment-page-4/#comment-17540 |
A couple of posts from Kyso K got held in moderation; might want to scroll up to read them. And, yeah, that bit about the Mountain Meadows Massacre is one of the reasons I'm thinking my conclusion to the piece may have been a tad overoptimistic. That and the rest of the hateful shit he espouses. Bee, if you do watch it please let me know if the movie itself, like the poster, features three different sizes of people. (If you look at the poster carefully, it's not perspective; some of the short people are clearly depicted as standing in front of the freakishly tall ones.) |
2011-05-12T17:01:44-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/11/all-the-singles-ward-ladies/comment-page-2/#comment-17537 |
Confidential to NWOslave: I put you on moderation because you were going on about completely off-topic conspiracy shit in a really boring way the other day. You're off moderation now. Confidential to everyone else: There were also a batch of comments from first-time commenters that got held, so you might want to scroll up to read them. |
2011-05-12T16:50:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/12/the-royal-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17534 |
Scarecrow, I concluded that at least a few of the signatures were probably doubles, or outside the US, because commenters on AVfM were talking about signing it twice, and giving info on how people outside the US could sign. And real activism: organizing demonstrations, setting up hotlines, volunteering to assist, for example, male victims of DV; raising money to build shelters for men or to support organizations that work on issues that affect men (eg, Just Detention), becoming involved in local politics, organizing boycotts in a real and practical way, lobbying the government, etc etc. An online petition in which none of the names are verified and which may contain duplicate names or people outside the country is pretty weak, especially for a case that involves a local prosecutor. If you guys had organized a real-world petition drive in Bar Harbor, that would have had a much bigger impact. Of course, that might have involved people getting in cars and driving there, or trying to link up with local groups, or, well, about a thousand other things that activists in the real world do all the time. Spreading the word online can be part of real activism, to be sure, but simply kvetching about how evil women are rather than taking real steps to help men, not terribly impressive. |
2011-05-11T18:12:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/09/inactivism/comment-page-3/#comment-17417 |
Scarecrow, I'm not surprised that, after nagging from Elam and a few other MRA sites, got more than 1000 signatures, especially given that at least a few of these signatures are the same people signing twice and people from other countries signing it. What I am saying -- and this was sort of the main point of the post -- is that it's extremely unlikely that most MRAs will become actual activists, in large part because most of them don't actually seem to care about the issues they pretend to care about, or to really want to change the world. Spending 2 minutes to sign a petition is not the same as real activism. [EDITED TO ADD: I've put a note in the OP about the petition getting more than 1000 signatures, and added a little bit more to make my point here completely clear.] Bee, just so you know, SAVE services is basically an ideological group aligned with the MRA views; I believe it was started and is basically bankrolled by the owner of a "mail order bride" business. |
2011-05-11T17:37:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/09/inactivism/comment-page-3/#comment-17406 |
You gotta post links to those Cracked pieces! | 2011-05-10T22:24:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/10/smurfette-was-a-stuck-up-bitch/comment-page-3/#comment-17279 |
MRAL, you always talk about being "spat on." What does this mean? What did these women actually do to you? | 2011-05-10T19:09:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/10/smurfette-was-a-stuck-up-bitch/comment-page-1/#comment-17163 |
TONIGHT WE SMURF IN HELL!!!! | 2011-05-10T19:07:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/10/smurfette-was-a-stuck-up-bitch/comment-page-1/#comment-17161 |
Johnny P -- all that conspiracy crap is off-limits. | 2011-05-10T18:35:18-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/09/inactivism/comment-page-3/#comment-17152 |
"Smurfette’s misandry is indicative of a WIDER CULTURE." I smurfing love this quote. Kendra, I think they added at least one other female character later. My knowledge of the smurfs is not encyclopedic. Which is to say, I don't really know smurf about it. |
2011-05-10T18:02:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/10/smurfette-was-a-stuck-up-bitch/comment-page-1/#comment-17135 |
I hereby declare discussion of the Rothschilds, inflation, NWO's made-up historical quotes, and related topics BORING. So I will put NWO on temporary moderation and will delete any more discussion of this crap. NWO, if you want to discuss these topics, there are approximately ten billion other places you can discuss them. Also, there was inflation in the 19th century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Historical_Inflation_Ancient.svg Amused and Bee, thank you for your substantive and on-topic comments about the Kellett case. |
2011-05-10T17:55:23-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/09/inactivism/comment-page-3/#comment-17131 |
Holly, that's absolutely it. It's all about demonizing women. False rape accusations is another good example. MRAs love going on and on about how false accusers should go to jail for as long as rapists would have, etc etc, but you never hear any discussion of actually trying to help the falsely accused by working with, you know, one of the organizations out there that is devoted to this. The False Rape Society blog doesn't even link to any of these advocacy groups. The Kellett petition is a another good example -- it stems from a case of a man that the MRAs believe has been falsely accused. But the focus of their campaign is on demonizing the female DA who prosecuted him; he's sort of become a sideshow to that. |
2011-05-10T07:23:55-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/09/inactivism/comment-page-1/#comment-16948 |
Evil said: "Because women aren’t supposed to be accountable for ANYTHING they do." Why on earth should women be held "accountable" for having a flat tire on a deserted highway? WTF does that even mean? That if they have a flat tire they need to be punished for it? |
2011-05-10T05:19:27-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/08/life-before-feminism-when-a-woman%e2%80%99s-at-the-wheel-%e2%80%a6/comment-page-2/#comment-16944 |
white knight-- Elam and other MRAs have written some pretty awful stuff about the slutwalks; I'll be doing a post on that soon. doctress julia -- you can't just leave us with that! more details please! |
2011-05-10T02:46:47-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/09/inactivism/comment-page-1/#comment-16936 |
kodiak, I mentioned several organization in the post that do work on issues that (mostly) affect men: Just Detention, fighting prisoner rape and other mistreatment and project innocence. EDIT: I misread kodiak's comment, so I reworded this. |
2011-05-10T01:22:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/09/inactivism/comment-page-1/#comment-16932 |
Here are some male drivers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hqx61roe-k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCJ18mn-xyY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzJV3HrnRVA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqLBOKsljU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2TiiHyYkcA&feature=related This one, when you can see the gender of the driver, it's always guys. And I would bet a million kazillion dollars that the vast majority of the rest, if not all of them, are guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ9p7-YPtVI&feature=related Oh, and here, for no real reason, is a dude trying to do a backflip off a hummer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBUf46S3PS8&feature=related The point? Neither sex has a monopoly on terrible driving and/or idiocy. |
2011-05-09T17:36:49-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/08/life-before-feminism-when-a-woman%e2%80%99s-at-the-wheel-%e2%80%a6/comment-page-2/#comment-16890 |
I've read a great deal on fat and diets. Key finding: diets don't work. Sure, they "work" in the short run, but in the long run (over a few years) they fail for almost everyone. Unless they want to stay on a rigorous diet for the rest of their lives, counting calories and obsessing about food constantly, people gain the weight back; if they're lucky they manage to keep a few pounds off, and that's it. Also, exercise, while good for you in all sorts of ways, isn't very effective in keeping weight off. Oh, and berating people about being fat? Not an effective way to help them lose weight. It IS, however, a highly effective way to make fat people feel like shit. The only generally effective way to lose a lot of weight and keep it off is bariatric surgery. Well, that's not entirely true. There are other ways that can be effective. Meth. Eating disorders. Smoking. Extended illness. People who aren't genetically predisposed to be fat may look at themselves and say, I can do it, why can't they? The reason they can't? Because of genetics. The reason you can? Because of genetics. And maybe, because of age: people tend to gain weight as they get older. When I was 17, I was skinny as fuck. When I was 21, probably average weight. Now, I'm fat. But in the end, as Katz and others have pointed out, this whole discussion arose not out of anyone's concerns about health, but because MRAL, acting like a judgmental prick, declared that fat people are disgusting and lazy and weak. That's an "argument" that's hardly worth all this effort rebutting. |
2011-05-09T17:00:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/07/dont-trust-any-vagina-over-twenty-five/comment-page-2/#comment-16883 |
Of course, a lot of those ada show men being inept at traditionally female tasks like cooking, so I wouldn't exactly call them feminist. Also, if you look at the sitcoms like this, they're generally fairly hackneyed and old-fashioned. Everyone plays a fairly boring stereotypical role: bumbling husband, more competent but shrewish wife, etc etc. And the shows still revolve around the male star, with the wife mostly playing the "straight man" role, as it were, which is really a much less interesting role to play. Kevin James is the star of King of Queens, not whoever it is who plays his wife. If you look at better and more innovative sitcoms like The Office or Arrested Development you find that they have much more interesting female characters, and that they tend to be as flawed (and ridiculous, and venal) as the male characters. One of the great plot developments in the American version of the Office was Jan -- who at first seemed to be one of these stereotypical hyper-competent sitcom women -- turning out to be completely screwy and actually kind of evil. |
2011-05-09T05:59:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/08/life-before-feminism-when-a-woman%e2%80%99s-at-the-wheel-%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-16828 |
Also, evil, she's driving to an airport. She's not out in the middle of nowhere. If they wanted to suggest the danger from getting stranded on a highway in the middle of nowhere, they would have depicted her as driving on a highway in the middle of nowhere. | 2011-05-09T01:51:05-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/08/life-before-feminism-when-a-woman%e2%80%99s-at-the-wheel-%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-16821 |
Kenda, I think a lot of people are happier when they're older. The twenties are a difficult decade, full of angst and drama, for a lot of people. I think as people get older they grow willing to cut people more slack on physical "flaws," and a lot less slack for being assholes or otherwise abusive. | 2011-05-08T23:20:03-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/07/dont-trust-any-vagina-over-twenty-five/comment-page-2/#comment-16807 |
MRAL, I've deleted a couple of your more obnoxious comments about Dworkin. Criticize her for her ideas all you want (I certainly have), but mocking her weight doesn't exactly add anything to the discussion. Avicenna, I removed the word "retarded" in a comment of yours above. It's a term that's hurtful to some people, and there's no need to use it. |
2011-05-08T17:56:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/08/life-before-feminism-when-a-woman%e2%80%99s-at-the-wheel-%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-16790 |
Just catching up here. I was offline for awhile and there were a bunch of comments from first-time commenters here that were stuck in moderation, and they're up now. I'd suggest everyone page back to the first page of comments to read them. | 2011-05-08T17:33:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/07/dont-trust-any-vagina-over-twenty-five/comment-page-2/#comment-16788 |
eilish, I've thought a bit about the baby issue. Since, in Superbad’s view, making babies is the “primary function” of women, we can only assume that they will want to have some. But since it would be unfair for men to have to put up with their postpartum depression -- not to mention them getting all fat like those pregnant ladies do -- women will presumably wait until the final days of their 25th year to get pregnant -- hopefully with twins, so as to keep away the specter of population declines. Men will of course not be required to pay child support, and should feel free to mock the young unmarried mothers for being the irresponsible sluts they are. It’s all a bit complicated and confusing. But no one ever said that creating the perfect world would be easy. |
2011-05-07T21:28:04-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/07/dont-trust-any-vagina-over-twenty-five/comment-page-1/#comment-16685 |
Briget, that's awful. So sorry you had to live that. | 2011-05-07T16:50:17-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/06/the-searchers/comment-page-3/#comment-16668 |
MRAL, you could start a group to fight against discrimination based on physical appearance -- you know, height, weight, .... oh, wait. Why do you expect people to have empathy to you when you show zero for other people? |
2011-05-06T23:31:38-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-6/#comment-16609 |
New search term today: how to cure explosive diarrhea fetishes Anyone have any advice for this poor guy or gal? |
2011-05-06T15:05:53-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/06/the-searchers/comment-page-1/#comment-16379 |
I for one welcome our new tall, white, fat, female overlords. | 2011-05-06T14:33:10-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-5/#comment-16365 |
Also, MRAL, your ignorance about weight is quite remarkable. Genetics basically determine weight relative to others in your society; in a society like ours where unhealthy food is cheap and readily available and in which most people don't perform physical labor, people tend to be fatter than they likely would have been 100 years ago. Losing weight in the short term is not that hard. Keeping it off, however, is almost impossible. In the long run, diets almost always fail. Nor is exercise a magic elixir (it tends to make people hungry, and since cheap food is everywhere they eat more). Exercise is very good for people in lots of ways, but it doesn't necessarily reduce weight by much if at all. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/books/review/Bazelon.t.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/health/08fat.html |
2011-05-06T14:16:09-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-4/#comment-16353 |
MRAL, look, I'll grant you that short men are actually discriminated against to some degree: I've seen studies suggesting that taller men earn a bit more than shorter men, on average. And though I haven't seen any scientific studies based on representative samples, I know that on OkCupid women are more likely to send unsolicited messages to taller men (at least if they're shorter than 6'8"; apparently women don't prefer reall really tall men). (Tall women, by contrast, get a much smaller percentage of unsolicited messages than shorter women.) http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/ But in the grand scheme of things, the amount of discrimination faced by guys like you who are an inch or two shorter than average is really not that great. Short people were never denied the right to vote; they were never systematically denied education; cities aren't segregated by height. Taxi drivers don't refuse to pick up short men. Heck, you could easily add an inch or two to your height by buying shoes with thick soles. And then you'd be of average height. But here's the thing: most women don't care about height. True, some do, and that might put you at a very slight disadvantage. But again, I see short guys with conventionally attractive girlfriends/wives all the fucking time. In the end, most people do pair up, short and tall alike. You know what really puts you at a disadvantage? Your constant whining about shit that isn't really that important. Your total lack of perspective about this shit. And, oh yeah, your anger towards and hatred of women, especially fat women. Women generally speaking don't like going out with angry, bitter men who regularly refer to all women as "bitches." Maybe if you were a rapper you could get away with that, but you're not. (By the way, Eminem is reportedly about 5'7" or 5'8" tall.) |
2011-05-06T14:03:14-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-4/#comment-16348 |
You're right. Will fix. | 2011-05-06T00:38:11-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/comments-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16288 |
Woah, I go offline for a couple of hours and there are another hundred comments. Anyway, NWO, I believe it was you who mentioned something about "bonobo cards." So here you go: http://fineartamerica.com/art/photographs/bonobo+monkey/greeting+cards You're welcome! |
2011-05-06T00:36:36-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-4/#comment-16287 |
There were a bunch of comments stuck in moderation; I have freed them all, and y'all should scroll up to the top of the page here and read them. Actually, you should pop back to the previous page, as there are a couple of MRAL comments there too. | 2011-05-05T18:15:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-2/#comment-16143 |
Scarecrow, well, I didn't delete it. if you don't believe me, post it again. I deleted a couple of your comments on the blogger version of this blog before I moved to wordpress. They were rude comments about a woman who had just died of cancer. I posted a comment saying I deleted them. I haven't deleted any comments, from anyone, since moving to wordpress. (Well, that's not completely true; I deleted a couple "test" comments I posted.) |
2011-05-05T16:54:40-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/04/raise-high-the-toilet-seat-mgtowers/comment-page-2/#comment-16103 |
Also, NWO, "omega" is the lowest of the low on the alleged totem pole -- I guess the equivalent of the stereotyped greasy-haired nerd with tape holding his glasses together. Ask MRAL about it. | 2011-05-05T16:35:57-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-1/#comment-16090 |
The "77 cents" claim is a bit of an oversimplification, but it has hardly been debunked, much less debunked by a "million empirical studies." Lots of citations here: http://manboobz.blogspot.com/2010/11/further-reading-gender-pay-gap.html |
2011-05-05T16:33:25-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-1/#comment-16087 |
Yes, the guy who gets apopleptic at the very thought of fat women is angry that some women go out with tall guys. Never mind that the women who mentioned going out with tall guys here did not say that they have anything against short guys; for all you know, MRAL, every other guy they've gone out with could have been short. Also, women do date and marry short guys. Indeed, women who are very conventionally attractive date and marry short guys. Unless every short-man-and-conventionally-attractive-woman couple I see out walking around is a plant, with paid actors playing both parts. |
2011-05-05T16:26:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-1/#comment-16084 |
NWO, the term "omega" is one used by (lots of) PUAs, MRA's etc; it's part of that ridiculous alpha, beta, etc system they use to classify everyone. If you read through more of the comments you missed while you were off doing your dangerous job, you'll see that the feminists commenting here think it's bullshit. | 2011-05-05T16:07:50-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/05/desperately-seeking-ubermenschen/comment-page-1/#comment-16076 |
choco -- Yeah, I have a very tiny number of words I put in my comment filter here, and the c-word is one of them; if someone is personally attacking someone else with one of these slurs I won't let it through. |
2011-05-05T02:08:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/04/raise-high-the-toilet-seat-mgtowers/comment-page-1/#comment-16024 |
I didn't. | 2011-05-04T23:23:20-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/04/raise-high-the-toilet-seat-mgtowers/comment-page-1/#comment-16014 |
MRAL, I'm putting you on at least temporary moderation, at least until you can make it through a couple of posts without defaming the entire female gender and/or using misogynist slurs. | 2011-05-04T22:51:52-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/03/lara-logan-redux-more-victim-blaming-rape-denial-and-rape-apologetics-from-in-mala-fide/comment-page-3/#comment-16011 |
MRAL, you've basically used up your quota of slurs, so from this point on you're on moderation and I'll redact any future slurs. If you show that you are capable of making arguments that don't depend on insulting an entire gender, I'll take you off moderation. | 2011-05-04T22:43:46-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/04/raise-high-the-toilet-seat-mgtowers/comment-page-1/#comment-16010 |
Fortunately for everyone, Chris from Oregon apparently stays far away from vaginas and the women who host them. | 2011-05-04T17:55:26-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/04/raise-high-the-toilet-seat-mgtowers/comment-page-1/#comment-15973 |
Bee, he can't be basing it on King Of Queens, because if he was he would be complaining that that show oppressed men because it portrays the main character as a bit of a buffoon, and his wife as hot. I've actually seen numerous MRAs making that exact argument. And blaming it all on feminism. |
2011-05-04T16:33:16-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/04/raise-high-the-toilet-seat-mgtowers/comment-page-1/#comment-15956 |
FWIW, I'm a lid-down guy. I don't want stuff to fall into the toilet. Yeah, Chris in Oregon is even more of a delight than MarkyMark. I've done a couple of posts on him. And yes, he's real too, and actually sort of revered by younger MGTOWers. Though I believe he's a virgin, he has a lot of interesting theories about vaginas. http://manboobz.com/2010/11/19/what-women-think-of-men-apparently/ http://manboobz.com/2011/03/23/living-bitter-and-alone-is-the-best-revenge/ http://manboobz.com/2010/11/18/shakespeare-before-hoes/ |
2011-05-04T16:18:41-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/04/raise-high-the-toilet-seat-mgtowers/comment-page-1/#comment-15952 |
No, that's the whole image. I was basically just trying to show that this picture did run on In Mala Fide; you can go there to actually read the text. | 2011-05-04T05:53:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/03/lara-logan-redux-more-victim-blaming-rape-denial-and-rape-apologetics-from-in-mala-fide/comment-page-3/#comment-15892 |
I honestly don't know if MRAL is a troll; if so, he's pretty pitch-perfect. I've seen all of his arguments, such as they are, from MRAs/MGTOW/PUAs before, which inclines me to think he's real. | 2011-05-03T17:45:01-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/03/lara-logan-redux-more-victim-blaming-rape-denial-and-rape-apologetics-from-in-mala-fide/comment-page-2/#comment-15844 |
MRAL, I knew a guy in high school who had a cleft palate. He did very well with the girls, dating some the PUA crowd would rate pretty highly on their little scale. He certainly did better than I did. Why? He was confident and outgoing and personable. And no, he wasn't rich. He did have a car, but it was so crappy and old and rusty that it literally had a hole in the floor on the front passenger side. He absolutely deserved his dating success. But I rather doubt that many girls with cleft palates would have been dating "alphas" in high school. |
2011-05-03T17:36:35-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/03/lara-logan-redux-more-victim-blaming-rape-denial-and-rape-apologetics-from-in-mala-fide/comment-page-2/#comment-15843 |
Thanks, everyone! | 2011-05-03T16:22:59-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/02/a-cool-million-divided-by-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15829 |
Hey all, just catching up here. There were about 20 comments from first-time commenters here that got held up in moderation, and I've approved them all. If you've been following the discussion, please scroll up and read them. | 2011-05-03T16:01:22-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/03/lara-logan-redux-more-victim-blaming-rape-denial-and-rape-apologetics-from-in-mala-fide/comment-page-2/#comment-15819 |
I keep expecting MRAL to start talking about how great Scott Adams is and totally giving himself away. | 2011-05-03T02:31:13-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/02/the-road-to-a-bitch-free-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-15675 |
Related question: Who promoted Major Major? | 2011-05-02T23:48:07+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/02/the-road-to-a-bitch-free-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-15634 |
Dire sloth -- Glad you're enjoying yourself. I just use google image search for to find most of the images here, and page through LOTS of crappy results to find the good stuff. My big secret is to restrict results to b&w pics -- ta da! Lots of nice old pics. |
2011-05-02T12:44:53+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/04/30/grand-opening/comment-page-1/#comment-15561 |
You know, I only just now noticed MRAL's "description" of me way back on the first page of comments. Every single thing in it was wrong, and in some cases way way way off, except for two things -- me having a middle class background and having brown hair. Neither of these traits is particularly rare. | 2011-05-02T09:40:56+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/01/be-aggressive-be-be-aggressive/comment-page-3/#comment-15555 |
Kirby, not sure why the spam filter grabbed your comments; it's nto supposed to if there are only a couple of links. Anyway, kirby had some comments held, and they are up now, and worth scrolling up to see. | 2011-05-02T06:21:53+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/01/be-aggressive-be-be-aggressive/comment-page-2/#comment-15522 |
Bee, we gave up all that running between fires and fucking because it was cutting into the going-around-a-pole time. Now it's basically 8 or 9 hours of going-around-a-pole, followed by 2 or 3 hours for the airing of grievances. As for the background, at least for now, as you can see, I'm going with one similar to the old one, a kind of victorian thing that I've darkened and blurred to make it less obtrusive. I'm not done with all the fiddling just yet. Arksibalt, sorry about that! I've done the same thing. |
2011-05-02T05:34:31+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/01/mayday-mayday/comment-page-1/#comment-15502 |
Just catching up here. I tell ya, it so very convenient for me when guys like MRAL show up and exemplify exactly what I was talking about with regard to the standard MRA/PUA one-size-fits-all theory of sexuality, a theory which bears almost zero relationship to how sexuality actually works in the real world for most people. Kirby, I do write about Spearhead articles fairly regularly. I somehow missed seeing the one you linked to, which is, to put it mildly, a doozy. You may have just given me my next post topic. Mertvaya, it's true. Manosphere dudes are incensed when fat (presumably omega) women get with "alpha" males; somehow this is a sign of anti-male oppression! They also get mad when women they consider super-hot (9s and 10s) refuse to have sex with them (they generally assume they themselves are betas or omegas). This is also anti-male oppression. |
2011-05-02T05:21:00+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/01/be-aggressive-be-be-aggressive/comment-page-2/#comment-15498 |
Hey everyone, just approved a big batch of comments here. I have the blog set up to send comments from new commenters to moderation, so if it's your first post here that's what happened. I think it determines newness from IP addresses, so if you're posting from somewhere else from where you usually post you get moderated. At least I think that's why some of you who have already posted here are getting stuck in moderation. | 2011-05-01T21:03:33+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/05/01/be-aggressive-be-be-aggressive/comment-page-1/#comment-15421 |
Thanks, Lady Raine! I had not yet discovered the text box widget. I'm still just getting started, and will be fiddling with the layout, etc for a while, I suspect. | 2011-05-01T03:23:59+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/04/28/uh-youre-not-supposed-to-see-this-just-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-15384 |
Nested comments are no more!!! They are too much of a pain to follow, and the no-nesting way worked fine on the blogger version of Man Boobz. I mean, when people were actually able to post comments, that is. |
2011-04-30T20:22:22+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/04/28/uh-youre-not-supposed-to-see-this-just-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-15372 |
Welcome, all! I'll be fiddling with the layout/design for a little while. Not sure I'll keep this punky background or not. |
2011-04-30T20:16:02+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/04/30/grand-opening/comment-page-1/#comment-15371 |
Anonymous, and how exactly is this relevant to the issue of one particular man beating the shit out of his wife? EDIT: I don't actually give a shit if people marry or not, or if the marriage rate is lower than it used to be (hint: this has a lot to do with people living longer; the overwhelming majority of people do actually get married). What concerns me is not the issue of marriage, but the issue of people beating the shit out of other people. |
2011-04-29T20:57:08+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/04/23/on-the-spearhead-demanding-child-support-is-a-provocation-and-beating-a-womans-face-in-is-justice/comment-page-5/#comment-15357 |
Thanks! There are a few sidebar widgets I'm going to miss from blogger, and I'm still not totally happy with the layout here. But Blogger just doesn't handle comments properly, and it will be nice to to escape the headaches that caused me and people commenting there. | 2011-04-29T08:04:49+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/04/28/uh-youre-not-supposed-to-see-this-just-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-15351 |
I'll port that over when I officially open for business here in a few days; I want to keep the discussion of new posts in one place, which for now is blogger. | 2011-04-29T08:01:09+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/04/28/uh-youre-not-supposed-to-see-this-just-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-15350 |
Oh, and "preview" -- I'd be happy to add it, but I'm not sure how; I don't see it as an option in my settings for comments. | 2011-04-28T21:56:17+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/04/28/uh-youre-not-supposed-to-see-this-just-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-15339 |
Hey all, didn't expect so many comments! To answer various questions: 1) I've got the blog set up so it moderates comments the first time a new person posts; once I've approved one comment from that person their comments won't be moderated. So all you guys can now comment to your heart's content. 2) It's not that hard to transfer old posts and comments over from blogger; wordpress will do it automatically. (And the posts are also left on blogger.) There have been some glitches, especially with the layouts of transferred posts. 3) Speaking of which, those brackets in the headlines seem to be one of those glitches; they only show up on transferred posts. 4) There is actually a subscribe link, but it's not clear that's what it is, so I'll put up a new one. I'll be adding the rest of the sidebar stuff before I make the big switcheroo. 5) On threading in comments -- what do you guys think about it? Not sure I want to keep it. |
2011-04-28T20:43:14+00:00 | manboobz | http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/04/28/uh-youre-not-supposed-to-see-this-just-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-15333 |
the ragged edge of medicine
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Ha! The funny thing about her is that she was EXACTLY the same back then as she is now -- same speaking style, same long blonde hair, same opinions. She was a minor campus celebrity, and obviously liked provoking liberals, but seems to have been utterly sincere in her beliefs. When she first started showing up in the right-wing media I was like, oh, of course, *her*, what took her so long? | 2015-03-26T10:30:25+00:00 | David Futrelle | https://forbiddencomma.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/878/comment-page-1/#comment-99 |
Critiquing the Manosphere
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Aw shucks, thanks! I do think the fact I'm a guy makes it easier; it's not quite as personal to me, and they harass me less than they would if I were a woman. |
2014-05-18T14:17:47-07:00 | David Futrelle | https://mancheeze.wordpress.com/2014/05/17/david-futrelle-a-vip-to-me/#comment-729 |
Oh my lord did you see the jokey 45 second video where she stands next to him in her panties while he prattles on about objectification and "ass-thetics?" He is SO excited to have an actual live woman in his apartment with him. Who sometimes TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES OH MY GOD. It's like, dude, calm down. At least *pretend* like this has happened to you before. | 2014-02-12T03:00:35-08:00 | David Futrelle | https://mancheeze.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/john-hambling-has-his-first-sexual-experience/#comment-192 |
The Poisonous Language of Feminism
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Wait, so you saw my link saying, "hey go see my INTERVIEW with Amanda Marcotte on her podcast," and you went over to the podcast, read the transcipt, which contains absolutely nothing about the friend zone, and also contains no transcribed interview with me, and instead of thinking, oh, that's weird, maybe that part of the podcast wasn't transcribed, you thought, ah ha, Futrelle doesn't know what he's talking about and somehow he thinks the friend zone is linked with Chelsea Clinton's pregnancy? I mean, in my post I said, hey, the interview is 8 minutes into the post. It didn't occur to you to actually go 8 minutes in to the podcast to check? And now that you've listened to it and added your little correction, you've got my argument backwards. I made very clear that both men and women can end up "friend zoned." I then talked about the MYTHOLOGY of the friend zone, and how this mythology, reinforced by internet memes, pretends this is something that is only done by women to men. And I explained the various ways this is a bad thing, because the whole logic of "friend zoning" leads men not to treat women as people but to see them as machines that despense sex and/or romance if you deposit enough "kindness coins," as one meme has it. Your post reinforces this notion by referring to women who don't "honor the reciprocal obligation of the relationship." Or at least it seems to. I really have no idea what argument you're trying to make because you're a terrible writer. But to be clear: no one has an obligation to have sex with someone, or enter into a relationship with someone, just because that person is nice to them. If you help someone move, they should probably treat you to pizza, but that's different. Sex is not pizza. I spent a good portion of the interview talking about how guys can get past this way of thinking by learning empathy, and putting themselves in the position of the women in a "friend zone" scenario. That is, to learn to treat women as human beings. How this equates in your mind to me seeing women as furniture is beyond me. I would explain the rest, but you know, I ALREADY EXPLAINED IT ON THE PODCAST. Do you get everything else in your life backwards like this? When you dress yourself in the morning do you sometimes end up with your pants on your head? |
2014-05-01T13:39:56-04:00 | David Futrelle | https://poisonedwell.wordpress.com/2014/05/01/the-friend-zone/comment-page-1/#comment-648 |
Jeez. Be less of an idiot. I haven't read your post and won't comment on it (because commenting on things that one hasn't read is a bad idea), as is commenting on things one has not listened to. Oh, speaking of which, a quick correction: I DID read the paragraph in which you talked about the podcast I was on and that clearly you didn't listen to. The podcast, like a lot of podcasts, covers different TOPICS in different SEGEMENTS. You know, like how on the news they talk about a building on fire, and then talk about Crimea,, and the building on fire isn't even in Crimea? My interview about the friend zone was one of a number of SEGMENTS on the podcast on DIFFERENT TOPICS. I did not talk about Chelsea Clinton, etc. I talked about the friend zone. Hope this helps! |
2014-05-01T08:39:22-04:00 | David Futrelle | https://poisonedwell.wordpress.com/2014/05/01/the-friend-zone/comment-page-1/#comment-643 |
A misanthrope philanthropist
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Damn those are some cute ass kittens. How about: Goth Glitch Disco Bop Just don't name any of them Progressive House. |
2014-03-26T13:12:22-08:00 | David Futrelle | https://chimaeraspeaks.wordpress.com/2014/03/26/look-who-just-arrived/#comment-1463 |
Thought Catalog is a digital youth culture magazine dedicated to your stories and ideas.
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As a Nailian otherkin, I am deeply offended by your anti-nailite remark. |
2012-06-12 20:46:12 | David Futrelle | https://thoughtcatalog.com/shae-mcdonovan/2012/06/pretending-youre-oppressed-the-new-internet-fad-2/#comment-153716 |
Advice. Staircase Wit. Faux Pas. Movies.
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Happy Blogaversary! I think you've got something great going here. Also, totally agree with you on that whole no electoral politics here thing. |
2012-01-06T06:02:17-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://captainawkward.com/2012/01/04/blogaversary/#comment-5893 |
Weird. My little sister acts similarly. She yells at me constantly, sometimes when I'm trying to sleep. She scratches and bites me sometimes when she feels I'm not paying enough attention to her. She's rude to my friends. Sometimes she even vomits on my stuff. Oh, wait, that's not my sister. That's my cat. I find that grabbing the scruff of her neck and/or squirting her with water helps. |
2011-12-12T17:44:57-06:00 | David Futrelle | http://captainawkward.com/2011/12/12/question-150-my-sister-calls-me-names-and-pulls-my-hair-were-in-our-20s-how-do-i-get-her-to-stop/#comment-4922 |
I mock my own cat's meows, not to mention the meows of other cats. Well, sometimes I mock, sometimes I just sort of converse with them. Because cats are hilarious! I don;t feel bac about mocking them because they don;t know that's what I'm doing, and besides if they knew how to mock me, I'm sure they'd do it all day long. In addition to being hilarious, cats are assholes. The neighbors mocking the letter writer were being kind of assholish, at least by mocking so loud he could be heard. But, I dunno, it's an apartment building. What can you do? If you gather a bunch of people into the same building, some of them are likely to be assholes. My next door neighbor has the habit of singing tunelessly. It's sort of creepy. Sometimes I mock it. Though I do it quietly. Sometimes I worry that my neighbors can hear me farting. I'm glad I have thick walls. |
2011-08-23T18:11:06-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://captainawkward.com/2011/08/23/guest-post-the-case-of-the-mocked-meows-reader-question-100/#comment-2658 |
Eh, it's not her job to do that. I like Capt. Awkward's plan better. | 2011-08-15T19:47:02-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://captainawkward.com/2011/08/15/reader-question-94-how-do-i-get-my-ex-friend-to-get-her-stuff-out-of-my-house-and-out-of-my-life/#comment-2508 |
I'd like to imagine that he was a pirate. Not modern off-the-coast-of-Somalia pirate, but one of those old-school dudes who say "ARRRRR" and have parrots on their shoulders. | 2011-08-03T01:03:43-05:00 | David Futrelle | http://captainawkward.com/2011/08/02/1070/#comment-2233 |
I don't have anything to add to Capt. Awkward's advice, but I do have some kitty side-eye: http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll0zdaDCzh1qzl7x8o1_500.jpg |
2011-07-06T04:56:10+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://captainawkward.com/2011/07/06/reader-question-71-should-i-patch-things-up-with-an-old-friend-who-hasnt-always-treated-me-very-well/#comment-1665 |
That guy is doing a lot better than I did after, er, tres semesteros. | 2011-05-26T21:02:10+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://captainawkward.com/2011/05/26/the-one-semester-of-spanish-love-song/#comment-1192 |
Looking through the search terms used to get to my blog today I ran across this: "do lizards like human cum" I'd be curious to see your answer to this. |
2011-05-05T21:42:11+00:00 | David Futrelle | http://captainawkward.com/2011/05/03/my-boyfriend-breaks-things-when-we-dont-have-sex/#comment-958 |
For the forgotten men and boys who suffer in silence
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Toysoldier, you're lying again. Bostonian didn't call you a liar out of the blue or "out of context.". Nor did any of the other commenters. You seem to imply here that you weren't part of the discussion until I linked back to your blog, and that people just jumped up and started calling you names. In fact, as anyone who wants to go back and check can see, you were part of the discussion in that thread for a long time before I posted the link back to your site, and the post of yours I linked to actually misrepresented that discussion. I'm not even going to bother with the rest. It's impossible to discuss anything rationally with someone as fundamentally dishonest as you are. |
2011-11-16T21:19:04-06:00 | David Futrelle | https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/a-dose-of-stupid-v56/#comment-24079 |
"I am sure that as a feminist Futrelle does not have a problem with feminists calling men they disagree with rapists, gay, dangerous, unmanly, whiners, babies, delusional, liar, hysterical, creepy, misogynists, or bitter." You may be "sure" that this is true, but it isn't. If someone lies, I'll call them a liar. If someone hates women, I will call them a misogynist. Etc etc. I will call YOU a liar right now for saying that commenters on my site called you "a liar and asshole for talking about [your] abuse." In fact, numerous people offered sympathy for you as an abuse victim. Every victim of abuse,regardless of gender, and regardless of the gender of the abuser, deserves sympathy. People called you a liar and an asshole only after you repeatedly misrepresented them and lied about other things -- as you are doing here. I am sorry that you were abused. But that does not render you immune to criticism for your behavior. |
2011-11-16T15:34:01-06:00 | David Futrelle | https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/a-dose-of-stupid-v56/#comment-24071 |
Toysoldier, here is the VERY FIRST SENTENCE of the post of mine you link to:
Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, who killed more than 90 people in attacks on Friday, was motivated by a toxic mélange of far-right ideology largely revolving around his intense hatred of Islam.How exactly am I ignoring his hatred of Muslims. I mention it in the FIRST SENTENCE and say that his ideology "largely revolves" around that, not around his antifeminism. But it is unquestionable that he was ALSO an antifeminist, and that a lot of his antifeminist and misogynistic views are rather common among MRAs and in the "manosphere." That's what my piece pointed out. |
2011-07-26T01:19:30-05:00 | David Futrelle | https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/a-dose-of-capitalizing-on-a-tragedy-stupid/#comment-23146 |
There is no personal solution to systemic problems, and feminism/women is a systemic problem.
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I was exaggerating for effect. No, it doesn't literally happen every time. But it does happen a lot more than it should happen, which is, you know, never. You guys are really, really literal-minded. | 2011-11-14T23:16:23-08:00 | David Futrelle | https://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/talking-about-men-raping-women-is-making-false-accusations/#comment-3928 |
Occasional blogs about lies told by feminists
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Uh, no, I don't approve of "corrective rape," "tacitly" or otherwise. Your blog lives up to its name. |
2011-08-10T09:21:45+00:00 | David Futrelle | https://acatalogueoflies.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/hypocritical-male-feminist-david-futrelle-gives-tacid-approval-to-corrective-rape/#comment-6 |
News feminist philosophers can use
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I posted about it; Kanazawa's post was a big hit among some of the misogynists I monitor. http://manboobz.com/2011/05/19/whos-the-ugliest-of-them-all/ |
2011-05-20T00:25:26+00:00 | David Futrelle | https://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/er/#comment-33151 |
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Floor-length lace-up vinyl ballgowns: hot. The Matrix Reloaded: not. Also: Liked that post on the Ms. Blog. My experience with anti-porn men (and women) doesn’t make me hopeful that they’ll reconsider their biases. That whole debate is so polarized; it’s great to see someone, by which I mean you, try to offer a smart pro-BDSM, pro-sex critique of porn. |
2010-10-15 20:35:04 | manboobz | http://clarissethorn.com/2010/10/15/the-sm-feminist-2-reloaded/#comment-3096 |